Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode, we're looking at What's Up with Skinwalker
Ranch. That's correct.
What's Up with Skinwalker Ranch? Must be one of the most popular
paranormal series on television with The History Channel.
Everybody, I think, is sort of going to walk around you if
you're listening to this program.
There's some questions about it. How did it get started?
What's it all about? I mean, is it real?
Is it just some kind of a money grab?
I have a lot of questions myself.
I post. I reposted a couple of posts
that Stephen Greenstreet had put up.
He's a bit of a skeptic, but I think he does thorough work for
the most part. It's entertaining.
Also, it's very high production value.
I've been falling for a while. I found this interview that he'd
done back a while ago with Brandon Fugel and it's about 10
minutes long. I reposted that to the Twitter
site talking about how Fugel got interested in Skinwalker Ranch
and I'll play some excerpts from that.
It's really a strange trip. I mean, he starts off looking
for an anti gravity machine of all things, which turned out to
be a total just a total disaster from his standpoint.
But it was weird. The people that put him onto
this anti gravity machine were people like General Wesley
Clark, According to him, General Mattis.
I've read Mattis. I mean, also, I think he
invested in Theranos, the fraudulent blood testing
company. And then you had how put off and
kick green in there. It's like this.
It's like this out of central casting from the UFO mafia.
And it's almost to me when I when I watch this interview with
Steven Greenstreet and I'll try to play a couple clips here for
you. It's almost like they see this
young guy, he has a lot of money.
He has an interest in the paranormal, OK.
And it's just as if they view him as some kind of a target
kind of question about my it really, it really leads me to
wonder about Bob Bigelow a little bit too.
It's like he got a hold of this piece of ground and then I think
he sold it at a pretty substantial profit.
But we'll get into that in a minute.
Just to give you some background on this whole thing with
Skinwalker Ranch, I just went to Wikipedia, probably as good as
any on this stuff. It says Skinwalker Ranch,
previously known as Sherman Ranch, is a property
approximately 512 acres located southeast of Ballard, Utah, that
is reputed to be the site of paranormal and UFO related
activities. Its name is taken from the
Skinwalker Ranch, the Skinwalker of Navajo legend concerning
vengeful shamans. I think that's a little bit of
an incomplete description. I've done podcasts before on
Skinwalkers and I think pretty well described how those things
work as far as Native Legends concerned.
To me, they're a whole different, a whole different
entity compared to what they would say as a shaman, which is
kind of a good guy, practices medicine, maybe spiritual
healing, that sort of thing. These things seem to me just to
be like just people that are angry and, and maybe have really
serious mental health issues and a lot of a lot of hatred.
And they get involved in this kind of a black magic thing
where they have to go through a lot of really dark rituals and
maybe even kill somebody to get accepted into this role as
skinwalker. And it's almost like, I don't
know, I wouldn't really compare him to Sheamus.
I mean, maybe, maybe I'm wrong about that, but just seems to
me, it seems like these skinwalkers are such evil
entities and we're the Navajo from everything I can see that
Shaman's always the good guy in their culture.
He's supposed to be there, I guess to offer counseling and
like I said, healing and that not seeing any skinwalkers.
But that's another show. Anyway, it goes on and says UFO
reports in the Unified Basin were publicized in the 1970s.
Claims about the ranch first appeared in 1996 and Salt Lake
City, UT Deseret News. Now, that's interesting.
So this ranch has a long history, but we don't have any
published claims about paranormal stuff until 1996.
You know, after he had been bought and then resold.
And Bob Bigelow, I suppose, or about that time.
And later in the alternative weekly Las Vegas Mercury as a
series of articles by investigative journalist George
Knapp. George Knapp.
I mean, he's an OG. These early stories detailed the
claims of a family that allegedly experienced
inexplicable and frightening events after they purchased and
occupied the property. The ranch, located in West Unita
County bordering the Unita Uri Indian Reservation, was
popularly dubbed the UFO Ranch due to its essential 50 year
history of odd events said to have taken place there.
According to Kellner and Knapp, they saw or investigated
evidence of close to 100 incidents that include vanishing
and mutilated cattle, sightings of unidentified flying objects
or orbs, large animals with piercing red eyes that they were
that they say were unscathed when struck with bullets, and
invisible objects emitting destructive magnetic waves.
Among those involved were retired U.S.
Army Colonel John B Alexander, who characterized the mid side
effort as an attempt to get hard data using a standard scientific
approach. However, the investigators
admitted to difficulty obtaining evidence consistent with
scientific publication. You have to wonder how much
money these guys got from the federal government.
You know, there was some at least.
Cattle mutilations have been part of the folklore of the
surrounding area for decades. When Robert Bigelow, remember,
we talked about him the other day, made his money starting out
in real estate and hotels and that he's like in his 80s now.
His wife passed away recently. Looks like he's had some tragedy
in his family. I believe we reported that he
had a son that committed suicide and a grandson who either
committed suicide or died of a drug overdose.
So he's, he's had, he's had a lot of trauma, but he's got this
interest in the paranormal and he has a lot of money and he
also has an interest in outer space, talking about setting up
the kind of a space station up there.
He had he, he had big, had that big low what aerospace, whatever
for a long time. So he's been a mover and shaker
kind of between the government as a as a government contractor,
as friends of Harry Reid and also somebody who can fund this
stuff and his research paranormal.
So he's kind of in this whole area.
It says when Robert When Robert Bigelow, founder of the National
Institute for Discovery Science, purchased and ranch for $200,000
in 1996, this was reportedly the result of his having been
convinced by the stories of mutilations that included tales
of strange lights and unusual impressions made in grass and
soil told by the family of former ranch owner Terry Sherman
in 2005. Colin Kellner and co-author
George Knapp published a book, Hunt for the Skinwalker, in
which they described the ranch being acquired by Bigelow to
study anecdotal sightings of UFOs, Bigfoot like creatures,
crop circles, glowing worms, and poltergeist actively reported by
its former owners. Kellner and Knapp's book was
read by Defense Intelligence Agency official James Lakatsky,
who contacted Bigelow and obtained permission to visit the
ranch. Lakatsi had a supernatural
experience there, which Bigelow relate to his friend Harry Reid.
Reid and Ted Stevens, a UFO experiencer, quickly agreed that
the ranch deserved attention and inserted a line into the
Department of Defense budget, appropriating $22 million to
study unidentified real phenomena.
And of course, you end up with Louis Elizondo in charge of a
tip. Wow, is that the way we really
want to fund this stuff? A couple of big shots go out to
a ranch, think that they have an experience, and then somebody
just says, OK, well, here's $22 million.
I mean, honestly, does that sound like good government to
you? It doesn't to me, it says under
criticism. Skeptical author Robert Schaefer
believes the phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch to be almost
certainly illusory, given that NIDCEI found no proof after
several years of monitoring, and that the previous owners of the
property, who had lived there for 60 years, said that no
supernatural events of any kind happened to them.
Schaefer considers the parsimonious explanation to be
that Sherman family invented the story to story prior to selling
it to the gullible Bigelow, with many of the more extraordinary
claims originating solely from Terry Sherman, who worked as a
caretaker after the ranch was sold to Bigelow.
Interesting. I do know that that clip, that
interview that Green Street did with Brandon Fugel, he said that
Bigelow wouldn't give him any of the data they had collected.
I don't know. Maybe he thinks it's
proprietary. But then again, if the
government spent $22 million, of which quite a bit of that or
some of that had been spent investigating my ranch and the
data wasn't up to snuff, I might not want to expose it either.
Then it goes on here, it says in 2023, Ufologist Barry Greenwood,
writing in the Journal of Scientific Exploration,
criticized the $22 million research program led by Jame
Lakatsky. He emphasized the lack of any
documentary evidence of the ranch after many decades of
exploration and characterized Skinwalker as always in the
business of selling belief and hope.
Yeah, that's a little weird. It says here under ownership
1934 to 1994 was owned by Kenneth and Edith Myers, 1994 to
1996 Terry and Gwen Sherman. So they only owned it for a
couple years and then from 96 to 2016 Robert Bigelow owned it and
then in 2016 he sold it to Brandon Fugel via Adamatanium
Real Estate. It says 2016 Bigelow sold
Skinwalker Ranch to Adamatanium Real Estate for around 500,000.
I think I've read as much as a million or million to but we'll
stick with 500,000 he since he paid 200,000 for it I guess not
bad for a 10 year return on investment after his purchases.
Roads leading to the ranch were blocked, the perimeter was
guarded by cameras and barbed wire, and signs were posted that
aim to prevent people from approaching the ranch.
Animatian Real Estate, a Delaware limited liability
company based in Salt Lake City, UT filed AUS trademark
application to the service mark Skinwalker Ranch on February
15th, 2017. Well, I guess that's smart.
At least you got things trademarked or whatever or?
Yeah. And was approved and registered
on April 14th, 2020 with the mark applicable to providing
recreation facilities, entertainment services, namely
creation, development, production, distribution and
multimedia content, Internet content, motion pictures in
television shows. An additional trademark filing
to expand use on cups and mugs, T-shirts and short sleeve
shirts, sports caps and hats was followed by Adam attaining real
estate on January 21st, 2021 and was approved and registered on
July 12, 2022. So I mean, I mean, it's an
entertainment thing. I don't blame the guy for doing
that. In March 2020, Brandon Fugel, a
real estate developer and tech investor, announced ownership of
the ranch. In 2022, Fugel announced a
partnership with Hutchings Museum Institute in Lehi, UT,
designed to better understand the environment and historical
significance of the ranch. Well, I mean, he's paid a lot of
money for this thing. It's he's, he is a real estate
guy. You can't blame him for wanting
to maximize the value of this thing.
I'd say he's done a really good job of that.
Wow. So anyway, I've been doing
looking around here for some of the owners.
This here comes to us from the UFO from the UFO database.com.
It says rancher Terry Sherman owned Skinwalker Ranch from 1994
to 1996. Terry Sherman purchased
Skinwalker Ranch with his wife Gwen in 1994.
They purchased a property from Kenneth and Edith Myers who
owned their property for over 60 years.
Terry and Gwen had long dreamed of owning a ranch in a remote
area where they could be left alone to raise their price
cattle and focus on their private life private family
life. The Shermans claimed they
experienced a rash of unexplainable incidents on the
ranch from 1994 to 1996, including cattle mutilations,
the odd disappearance of at least three dogs, orange and
blue orbs, UFO sightings, encounters with odd creatures,
interdimensional portals, and more.
Due to these frightening anomalous experiences and the
financial hardships from the loss of cattle, the Sherman's
sold the ranch to Robert Bigelow Real Estate Group.
In 1996. Terry and Gwen purchased another
ranch within 50 miles of Skinwalker Ranch, but Terry
agreed to assist Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery
NIDS Scientific Study Group to investigate the odd phenomenon
on the property. Terry helped manage the property
and called the NIDS team when odd activity was witnessed.
That's a little interesting, I guess.
And then it has a thing here on Bob Bigelow also just kind of
give you the history of this ranch.
It seems like we keep seeing the same players over and over and
over again. And it's just like with
anything, the chain of custody kind of becomes blurred a little
bit to wondering what's real and what's not real.
So let's take a look at another article on the Skinwalker Ranch
and then get into this interview that Steven Greenstreet did with
Brandon Fugel. So just to kind of fill in the
empty spaces here, I want to look at this article from
npr.org. NPR is not my favorite source,
but sometimes they do some good reporting and stuff like this.
A lot of times they're good about getting some dates and
places and names in so we can kind of have a scaffolding to
build our ideas on. Skid and Walker Ranch is more
than just what you happen to see on The History Channel, OK?
There's a lot more going on behind the scenes here and I
think we have to consider the profit motive.
And, and so if Brandon Fiegel wants to make money off
Skinwalker Ranch, that's fine. He's he's not making a secret
about that. I think he's a legitimate
businessman and he has an interest in the paranormal and
UFOs, clearly. And if he wants to, if he wants
to go ahead and market that and make money off it, more power to
him. But the people that I'm critical
of are people like that claim to be whistleblowers like Louis ET
all, who claim that they're just in this because they care about
the American people. Well, they could care about the
American people, but they should also be honest about the fact
that there's that there is money involved and that they're making
money. And I don't regret them that.
But they should just be honest about it and say, look, I am
doing this work with these guys. I've worked with me before.
This is what our relationship is.
And if they were clear and above board about things like that, I
would be a lot less critical of them.
But when you have things like the Tic Tac video show up
unannounced and we have, you know, the usual suspects lurking
around in the Pentagon parking lot, but nobody knows for sure
where this thing came from and a lot of money's made off of it,
Then it leads me to say, hey, I wonder what's going on here.
Just like Bob Bigelow, he's he's a successful businessman.
Like I said, he's had a lot of tragedy in his life.
I could see that. I can empathize with that.
He's probably a really great guy.
But I think we also have to consider the whole picture, and
we're talking about Skin Walker Ranch.
We have to consider the fact that Bob Bigelow did own this at
one time, that he was an associate or a friend or
whatever with Harry Reid, that he does have a financial
interest in this thing, and that there was government, government
money spent investigating this property that he did make at
least $300,000 when he sold it. I just think it's unfair to
assume that all of these celebrities are just out there
trying to bring us disclosure out of the kindness of their
heart. I really think that we need to
look at all the connections and do the critical thinking and not
just act like a bunch of little kids about this stuff.
Now, this article, like I said, is from npr.org.
It says secret Pentagon program spent millions to research UFOs.
This is dated September or December 17th, 2017 by James
Dubeck. Got a nice big picture of the
Pentagon there. A secret Pentagon program
existed for at least three years and spent more than $20 million
in research on UFOs, according to multiple media reports
published Saturday. The program reportedly examined
cases including incidents of pilots claiming to have seen
flying objects that appeared to defy the laws of physics.
And then it says video posted on YouTube as well as on the
website of the New York Times purports to be footage taken by
the Navy FA 18 fighter jets showing a disk like object in
the sky. Look at that thing.
It's rotating voices saying the video.
This is a video we're talking about the Tic Tac called the
Advanced Aviation Threat Identification program.
That's ATIP. That's Louisville.
It was run out of the Pentagon by former Department of Defense
intelligence officer Louis Elizondo.
Now that's what NPR is telling you.
We've had all different kinds of stories coming up in the DoD.
It began in some form in 2007, according to The Washington Post
and The New York Times, and officially ended in 2012, though
it may still be in existence in some capacity.
The time says, yeah, these things just keep morphing.
But it does seem from everything I've read that this saying had a
expiration date on it. They assigned $22 million to it,
and it was for five years. That's as I understand it.
Former Democratic Senator Harry Reid obtained funding for the
program beginning in 2009. Was support from late Democratic
Senator Daniel anyway and late Republican Senator Ted Stevens?
Political reports. Not sure how it started in 2007,
didn't get funded to 2009, but yeah, whatever.
According to the Washington Post, the program spent at least
$22 million for the purpose of collecting and analyzing a wide
range of anonymous aerospace threats, ranging from advanced
aircraft fielded by traditional US adversaries to commercial
drones to possible alien encounters.
They put a big, big, wide definition on that thing.
I'm not sure how the Skidden Walker Ranch would really come
into that. But yeah, whatever.
I'm not embarrassed or ashamed or sorry I got this thing going,
Reed told the Times. I think it's one of the good
things I did in my congressional service.
I've done something that no one else has ever done before.
Yeah, that's a fact. He remained proud of his efforts
in a statement posted on Twitter on Saturday.
This is back to the 17th, of course.
He's passed away now. It says if anyone says they have
answers, they're fooling themselves.
We don't know the answers, but we have plenty of evidence to
support asking questions. This is about science and
national security. If America doesn't take the lead
in answering these questions, others will.
Senator Harry Reid, December 16th, 2017.
Reid was persuaded in part by aerospace Titan and hotel chain
founder Bob Bigelow, a friend and fellow Nevadan who owns
Bigelow Aerospace. Of course, we know that's no
longer in existence. A space technology company and
government contractor, Political said.
Do you see the problem with these government contractors?
I mean, if the deep state wanted to hide A spaceship or just a
piece of meta material, they could certainly do that at one
of these government contractor sites and you wouldn't have any
FOIA access to it. The site's report continued.
Bigelow, whose company received some of the research contracts,
was also a regular contributor to Reed's reelection campaign.
Campaign finance records show at least $10,000 between 1998 and
2008. Yeah, 10,000 and 22 million out,
maybe, I don't know. Bigelow has spoken openly in
recent years about his views that extraterrestrial visitors
frequently travel to Earth. He also purchased the Skinwalker
Ranch in Utah, the subject of intense interest among believers
in UFOs. Reed and Bigelow did not respond
to multiple requests for comment.
It just all goes back to this notion of accountability.
It wasn't only concern for threats posed by
extraterrestrials. Former officials told the media
outlets they worried about advanced aircraft programs that
could have been developed by China or Russia.
You've always got to throw the Chinese and Russians in there.
Elizondo, who ran the program, resigned in October and said the
military did not take it seriously enough.
Louis Elizondo, the guy that wanted to have a big naval
exercise involving, I don't know, dozens of nuclear powered
ships and attempt to capture a UFO.
What could go wrong there? Despite overwhelming evidence at
both the classified and unclassified levels, certain
individuals in the DVD remain staunchly opposed to further
research on and what could be a tactical threat to our pilots,
sailors and soldiers, and perhaps even an existential
threat to our national security, Elizondo wrote in resignation
letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, the Post reported.
Of course, I'm sure he's talking about the colons elite, the
fanatical Christians. And he wrote it to Jim Mattis,
the guy that in the guy that reportedly encouraged Brandon
Fugel to invest in this anti gravity machine, which turned
out to be a complete fraud, allegedly.
Interesting. An anonymous former
congressional staffer told political that Senator Reid
eventually agreed the ATEP program was not worth
continuing. Yeah, maybe he didn't want too
many eyes shining on it. You know, after a while, the
consensus was we really couldn't afford anything of substance, he
recalled. They produced reams of paperwork
after all of that. There was really nothing there
that we could find. It all pretty much dissolved
from that reason alone and the interest level was losing steam.
Elizondo is now listed as the director of Global Security and
spatial Programs for Two of the Stars Academy of Arts and
Science, a company Co founded by former Blink 182 guitarist Tom
Delong. And I believe that Hal Puthoff
is involved in that too. Another one of these guys that
was telling Brandon Fugel about the anti gravity machine.
Wow. A company Co founded by former
Blink 182 guitarist Tom Delong. Over the years my mind
constantly swirled with thoughts of unexplained, of the
unexplainable and the hope that unblocking these mysteries would
possibly be the key to a better future for my kids to long road.
In a statement on the company's website blah blah blah to the
stars Academy posted the Navy video on YouTube Saturday.
Yeah, where did they get that video from?
Could it have been from Elizondo, a former employee?
I don't know. The Post wrote that Elizondo
sought the release of videos from the military when he
decided to resign from the Defense Department.
So he asked for the release of videos.
And what did that involve? That involved Christopher Mellon
handing him a brown paper bag with the videos inside.
That's what's been alleged. I don't know.
I'm curious. In an earlier effort, the Air
Force earlier studied UFO studies between 1947 and 1969,
mainly as part of Project Blue Book program.
Yeah, once again, NPR, just like all the rest, doesn't do a thing
as far as investigating the chain of custody with these Tic
Tac UFO videos. All right, so you kind of have
the players there. I just want to play a couple
quick clips from this Green Street interview and then we'll
wrap this up. In the most fundamental ways
that we propel and even power our world, we're still dealing
with technology that is very old and antiquated.
It bothered me and I became obsessed.
And then he remembered Joe Furmage.
I remember Joe Furmage and the fact that he'd done this
interview and it claimed that he was going to be investing in
physics programs. And I thought, well, you know,
maybe he has some insights. Fugel says he contacted Furmage
and had a meeting with him. And I'm whisked into a garage
where there are the equivalent of giant tinker toys.
It looks like spinning objects, mechanical, very rudimentary,
crude mechanical devices that are, that are being operated.
And I see an older bearded Joe Furmage.
Fugel says Furmage claimed to be on the cusp of inventing
humanity, changing anti gravity technology that would allow
humans to travel to the stars. He said.
I believe that you've been LED here for a reason, right here in
my garage before you. You are looking at the early
proof of concept embodiments of the the experiments showing the
physics underpinning these new advancements.
Feugel says he was skeptical, but Firmage introduced Feugel to
various people who would back up his claims.
He puts me on the phone with General Wesley Clark, former
chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He introduces me to General
Clark's as General Clark, I'd like you to meet Brandon Fugel.
You know, he needs to know that there's that there's reality to
this, you know, would you mind telling him your views?
And General Clark said yes, I I don't have any problem.
I great to meet you. You know, Mr. Fugel, I, I
support Mr. Furmage. I've been following his work
closely and there's truth to it. A representative for General
Clark told me that while the general does not specifically
remember this phone conversation with Fugel, he did indeed know
Joe Furmage and was in fact interested in Furmage's claims
of exotic technology. So I'm, I'm blown away here.
I have former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, head of NATO
command, who's confirming that Joe has been involved with
credible activities, confirming that there's some reality.
Next, Furmage put Fugel on the phone with Hal Puthoff and Kit
Green. Both were former CIA scientists
with a long history of researching otherworldly topics
like UFOs and psychic powers. They also vouched for Joe
Furmage. This all happens back-to-back on
the same day. So yeah, Wesley Clark helped put
off Get Green. So you had a series of yeah
phone calls series? Of phone calls.
Put Off in Green had long been involved with millionaire Robert
Bigelow's hunt for the paranormal, and at the time of
this phone call with Fugal in 2009, they were both involved in
a now infamous $22 million Pentagon program headed by
Bigelow. The program, among other things,
allegedly investigated strange phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch,
which at the time was owned by Robert Bigelow.
Now if I'm going to put my skeptic's hat on, what I'm
seeing here is Brandon Fugel getting involved with this guy
in probably some successful real estate deals where he's running
office space to him. And then down the road, what 15
years later or something, he starts thinking about
alternatives to the jet engine and he decides to give this
fellow a call who claims to have this anti gravity machine that
he's working on. The important part though, it's
not this machine because it never panned out.
But the important part to me is the names involved.
General Wesley Clark, how put off Kick Green, Bob Bigelow.
It's the same names that you see over and over and over again and
what I call the UFO Mafia. But can you see the intersection
here between people in the Defense Department, in the
military and the folks in the intelligence community coming
together with? And honestly, it almost looks
like praying on successful businessmen, really.
Some, I would say, kind of shady stuff perhaps going on here
where this guy's LED into thinking you can invest money in
this thing, which of course, it turns out to be a total failure.
And then as we listen to this next clip, it's almost like like
a like a typical scam artist deal.
You get the guy who wants Brandon Fugel.
He's kind of the sucker. He's got the money.
So they clip him once on the anti gravity and then they come
back for a second bite out of the apple with the Skinwalker
Ranch deal. The whole thing looks so
suspicious to me, but that's just how I view it.
I mean, I could be wrong. Let's let's listen to this next
excerpt and then we'll finish up.
They have the disappointment of family.
I at that point in time, I had lost a lot of faith and trust in
people. Fugle says this was a dark time
for him, that he struggled to trust anyone, and even his faith
in the Mormon church was shaken. But this all changed with a
phone call in 2015. Late 2015, I received a call
from Doctor Hal Putoff and Doctor Christopher C Green.
Kit Green. The same two guys just a few
years after the Joe Furmage motion scientist debacle, Fugel
says Hal Putoff and Kit Green had a brand new proposition for
him. And in the middle of that call,
both Doctor put off and Doctor, Green said.
Are you familiar with a certain piece of property in Utah known
as Skinwalker Ranch? What do you know about
Skinwalker Ranch? Fugal says put off and Green
told him that the ranch was for sale.
We'd like to suggest that you take a meeting with Mr. Bigelow
if you're interested. Would you be open to it?
And I said absolutely. Fugal flew to Las Vegas to meet
with Robert Bigelow and discuss purchasing Skinwalker Ranch.
Fugal says Bigelow would only sell the ranch as is and that
Bigelow would not be sharing with Fugal any of the research
he had done at the ranch over the last 20 years.
I agreed. I said OK fine, I'll buy it as
is. On April Fool's Day 2016,
Brandon Fugal became the official owner of Skinwalker
Ranch. I think that clip really sums it
up. So you have Brian Fiegel, this
young guy, very wealthy and sounds like maybe his family has
a lot of money too. He has an interest in the
paranormal and he has an interest in breaking science
technology. He gets involved in this fellow
in this whole anti gravity thing, which ends up being a
total scam. But but who gave him the
confidence to go into that business relationship?
Well, Wesley Clark, General Wesley Clark how put off and Kit
Green, a couple of old school Intel guys.
Of course the whole thing ends up to be a complete failure.
He loses all this money, he loses his face, he feels
terrible about it. He says he feels so bad he
almost loses his faith in his Mormonism, and then he gets a
phone call. Now this is such a classic move
as far as that confidence game goes in my opinion.
The two guys that he relied on for advice that caused him to
lose all the money in the 1st place, calling back with another
proposition. Some people might view that as
well. If he's a big enough sucker to
pay out the first time, he might be a big enough sucker to pay
out the second time. You know, a good con man is not
going to let a victim off the hook with just one scam.
We're going to come back and try to get him multiple times as a
rule. That's just what I can see, but
I'm not calling these guys scammers.
I'm just saying that it could look that way to some people.
Anyway, they give him this whole spiel about Skinwalker Ranch.
So my question is, why is Hal Puthoff and Kit Green acting as
de facto real estate agents for Bob Bigelow?
I mean, if Bob Bigelow wants to sell a ranch, one, it just go
down to one of the local real estate agents and put this thing
up for sale. But that's not it.
It's almost like they're priming this guy and they're giving the
business about all the cool stuff that's happening out there
and the research that Bob Bigelow's done.
And man, you know, this ranch would be a really cool thing for
you to have what she ends up buying for.
Well, according to Wikipedia, Bigelow paid 200,000 for it and
sold it for 500,000. I've heard higher numbers.
I think it's safe to say he made a pretty healthy profit.
But what you can see in play here is Bob Bigelow.
He's one of these guys that is a successful businessman and he's
kind of moving in between as a government contractor, as a
friend of politician Harry Reid and doing his own investigation
and as a beneficiary of government funding.
And he's just kind of, you know, he's kind of he's kind of
captured that whole area. He's successful at it at at
moving through those different doors.
And then you have almost like an accomplish, you could say, my
opinion, associate, associate, maybe we should say of how put
off and kick Green and General Clark and General Mattis, As
Green Street has posted in Twitter, they're kind of driving
people toward him to maybe be exploited or at least to buy his
real estate at 2 1/2 times what he paid for.
And so eventually he buys Skinwalker Ranch.
And I suppose lucky for him, he's able to land this contract
with The History Channel and with a bunch of these UFO
celebrities. And now they have a successful
show and hopefully he's made his money back.
But what I want you to take from this whole thing with Skinwalker
Ranch is that it almost seems to me that Skinwalker Ranch is a
vehicle. It's a vehicle for creating
wealth. And the way it creates wealth is
that it uses different players from different sectors of this
UFO economy. We have people like Bob Bigelow
who are old school business guys.
They've been around for a long time.
They've been successful. And they've been successful not
only in the private industry of, you know, building this hotel
chain from scratch, but they've also been successful at landing
government contracts, whether it's through his aerospace
company or whether it's through a tip doing research on his
ranch. Research which basically just
consists of, it looks to me like volumes of stories, anecdotal
evidence, not so much scientifically research stuff.
But it's a fun hobby that the taxpayers paid for.
The other players, of course, are politicians like Harry Reid
that direct the funding. And then you have these guys
that stand around this, these UFO mafia members, the big time
guys like Hal put off, Kick Green, whatever generals you're
talking about, whether it's Mattis or Clark or whoever, and
the host of others that always seem to be in the right place at
the right time to get paid. They rotate from jobs.
Usually they have a long career in intelligence or defense or
both. And then they go through these
revolving doors, whether it's into an aerospace company or
whether it's into one of these UFO programs that have been
handpicked by a senator like Reed.
Somehow they position themselves in a place where they're either
going to profit immediately or down the road because it adds to
their reputational clout. Then of course someone's got to
pay for this, so it's either going to be the taxpayer, such
as when Harry Reid writes out a check for $22 million, or
possibly a independently wealthy businessman like Ryan Fugel who
gets convinced that this guy is building an anti gravity machine
and he invested millions of dollars himself.
There's always a target. There are always the people in
the background that seem to be directing the money toward the
scam. Whether it was a thorough no
scam where she's claiming that she can test blood or she's now
in prison because people got hurt from this, or whether it's
this guy who claims that he has his anti gravity machine.
It's always some. It's always some above and
beyond claim. OK, that can't be scientifically
proven. There's always the gullibles,
investors that want to put their money into it because somehow
they think that they're going to discover fame or fortune.
And then you have this whole pack of almost like wolves just
driving these gullible investors toward whatever thing this is
they're investing in. In the con game they're called
the Mark, and in this case it seems to me that the Mark was
branded Fugel and the prize was anti gravity which could lead to
free energy. That was the first scam, my
opinion. And then the second scam is
Skinwalker Ranch. We're going to find something so
big here it just turns the whole world upside down.
Now Fugel is not a dumb guy I don't think, and I think he has
been smart enough to exploit this whole Skinwalker Ranch
thing into a very profitable television series on History
Channel. They are doing some interesting
stuff out there. Don't get me wrong, I do watch
it occasionally but I have doubts and I have doubts because
of the people that were pushing it.
It's the same faces every time and I have doubts because of the
amount of money involved and I have doubts because of the hard
science that hasn't been produced.
I guess we'll have to wait and see until next time.
This is UFO warning over and out.