Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode, we're talking about Wolfman orbs and UFOs.
That's correct. Wolfman orbs and UFOs.
Why talk about high strangeness? This one really gets out there.
The story broken recently about another government employee
coming forward and saying, yeah, we've seen the Wolfman.
It's all tied up with Skinwalker Ranch.
This I don't know about. We'll take a look at it and see
what you think. Is this just another psyop
trying to divide the UFO community or is there probably
some kind of a connection here? Because things are certainly
getting strange. I found this article over at
dailymail.co.uk says government intelligence officer assigned to
secret UFO investigation said wolf like creature that walked
on 2 legs appeared at his East Coast home afterwards.
One of these cases where you have researchers showing up at
places like Skid and Walker Ranch or wherever and then when
they get back home maybe hundreds or thousands of miles
away claiming to have these supernatural almost paranormal
experiences goes on down and says that this is written by
Sophia Gabel. Actually a date on this is
December 12th, 2025. A rocket scientist who directed
a top secret investigation into UFOs has spoken about the
bizarre things his colleagues claim to have witnessed.
Doctor James Lakatsky, an intelligence analyst previously
with the Defense Intelligence Agency, revealed that during his
time investigating UFOs, many witnesses recalled paranormal
experiences after seeing the objects.
I can tell you from my own experience that was not the
case. We realize that people who
openly say I observed a UFO up close may be on the ground that
they always seem to have a paranormal connection in some
way if you gently push them, Bukatsky told investigative
journalist George Knapp in a recent interview with local CBS
affiliate KLASI. Just want to interject here
again from my personal experience, I've talked about my
UFO sighting here many times. I mean, that's what got me
started doing the podcast. When I seen one of these crazy
things close enough to my car, I could almost reach out and touch
it. It was amazing and kind of
frightening and surreal all at the same time.
And when it happened, I did not believe in UF OS at all.
To me, it was a joke. I thought people saw these
things were a little bit nutty. I mean, I even had people in my
own family, friends and and relatives had told me that
they'd seen UF OS and I just thought, well, you know, a case
of case of mistaken identity. Or maybe they're just
impressionable. I just kind of brushed it off as
being a little silly, really. But let me tell you, when it
happens to you up close or personal, it's not silly any
longer. It's real.
But as far as having any kind of paranormal experiences after
that, no, not at all. I just wanted to figure out what
the thing was. It goes on down here and says
Lakatsky directed the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System
Applications Program, a top secret initiative under the DIA
in the 2000s. And we'll take a look at this
here just a minute. This AW SAP program.
He recalled that many officials with a a WSAP experienced A
hitchhiker effect. And we've talked about this
before, where they seem to come into contact with paranormal
phenomena. Long after they left the
program's home base in Nevada, Lakasky said at least five
highly experienced intelligence officers saw balls of light,
shadowy figures and even creepy creatures.
One investigator was plagued by mysterious orbs when he returned
to his home on the East Coast, and he even saw what he
described as a wolf like creature that walked on 2 legs,
according to Lakatsky. Now I will say that I didn't see
any wolf like creatures, but I there were a couple of occasions
where I did see orbs, I guess 1 specifically, pretty up close.
I was in my car and actually in town just going somewhere and
looked up and here was his orange orb just kind of hovering
almost like a ball of flame and then just kind of dissipated up
into the air. Was that related to the original
sighting? I don't know.
I just think it was another strange, another strange thing
that happened. I guess it says, I mean, what
did it? I mean, what did it Get on a
train or a plane, come to Washington, ask your questions.
Now, I think we know that the orb didn't get on an airplane or
a train to come to Washington. Maybe this person just had their
eyes opened a little bit to the whole UFO phenomena and it
became a little bit more observant.
I don't know. Goes on down here.
It says it left deep scratch about this wolf creature that
this guy supposedly seen. He says it left deep scratch
marks on the tree it was resting against.
There was physical evidence. Now, a photograph would be
really helpful in this situation.
I mean, if you scratch a tree, there's marsh going to be there
for a long time. The AAWSAP launched in 2008
after officials at DIA became intrigued by reported paranormal
experiences and UFO sightings in the.
You need a basin in northeastern Utah.
I think that's kind of an offshoot of a tip.
They determined that Bigelow Ranch, owned by Las Vegas
aerospace Titan Robert Bigelow, was a site of bizarre activity.
Now, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that there's a
lot of controversy around this. I mean, we've had reports and I
can't cite them right here. I mean, you can look them up or
Google them, I'm sure. But people asserting that
government paid researchers were just making up crazy stuff as
they went along because hey, it's nice to be be getting paid
70, eighty, $100,000 a year. And your only job is to sit down
and type out a two or three page paper about how you saw some
strange paranormal activity at this ranch in Utah.
And by the way, we're getting a $6 million check from the
government for doing this. That's kind of the assertion.
So I'm a little divided on this actually.
Anyway, goes on and says, I could see from this is Lucasi
talk and I could see from my organization the threat
potential and we were uncovering many of the things you were
observing, you know, strange creatures, Lucasi total class.
I mean, think of inducing what might be called delusions by
some people into an enemy force. We wanted to learn what can be
weaponized here, he continued. Well, of course, I mean, it's
the US government. As soon as you discover
something interesting or unusual or maybe even dangerous, why not
see if you can use it to hurt people?
Lekowski put together A-Team approved by DIA with his
colleague Jay Stratton. This is another one of the old
made guys in the UFO mafia, as far as I can see.
Late Nevada Senator Harry Reid helped secure the funding for
the project. Yeah, I mean, when you're like
the speaker of the House, you can pretty much just spend
taxpayer money where you want to.
It seems like Bigelow has also became an integral part of the
initiative with his company becoming the program's
contractor. Well, we get into this what I
might call a not so virtuous circle where you have a big time
megative. I don't like Bigelow befriending
somebody like the late Harry Reid.
And maybe this person develops an interest in whatever and
suddenly there's all kinds of government funding pouring into
this topic and they happen to be the contractor put in charge of
researching it. You know, this could be seen as
self dealing by a lot of people. Goes on and says the mission
started as investigation into UFO technology.
But officials were also examining potential health
impacts of witnesses who reported seeing UFOs.
I don't think I really suffered any kind of health impact from
my sighting. The health impacts included
psychological effects in the AWSAP started to observe a wide
range of shocking, seemingly paranormal instances that
witnesses to UFOs begin having. Now I what I see here is a
problem with is these guys generalizing a little bit and
you know, you got to be careful just because you have a few
cases where people had illnesses or or conditions arise after a
signing. First things they teach in
research is correlation does not imply causation and certainly
would seem to apply here. Like Caskey said that multiple
witnesses reported experiencing hitchhiker effects where
individuals seem to take the experiences with them after
seeing the UFO. He added that the individuals
who reported these bizarre events included the Las Vegas
manager for AAWSAP, Doctor Cole Mckellener, physicist Doctor
Eric Davis, Stratton, civil security workers, and Robert
Bigelow himself. The problem with this, you can
all these guys are pretty well tied to the government in one
way or another. The AWSAP existed for only about
two years before funding was paused.
Lekowski told KLAS in November that Reid was worried about his
re election race in 2010 and was concerned that his involvement
in the project would impact his chances of winning.
Well, some people might have seen that spending as wasteful.
Reid also confided to Lekowski that there was a spy in his
Washington office leaking information to help his
opponent, according to Lakasky's account to KLAS.
I mean, you could imagine that you're in Washington, DC, huh?
Reid ended up securing a victory but lost his seat as Senate
Majority Leader. And the program, he eventually
fizzled out. Yeah, I believe that the
Republicans took control of Congress that year.
And so Harry Reid was no longer able to just put money wherever
he saw fit, personally. KLAS reporter Knapp had covered
WAAWSAP during its existence and met Lakowski in 2018 at a
meeting arranged by Reed. The government has not
officially released any documents related to the
program, but Lakowski has authored several books on the
topic, including Skinwalkers at the Pentagon co-authored with
NAP. When you kind of get into this
little circular kind of insulated group of people here
once again releasing the information.
Bukowski released another book on his own September titled
Inside the US Government Covert Covert UFO program New Insights,
which revealed multiple paranormal phenomena the AWSAP
team experienced. The Daily Mail reached out to
DIA for comment on AAWSAPS finding.
Yeah, probably not getting a lot of luck with that.
Yeah, some strange stuff. I mean, we're not getting a lot
of specifics, but it's kind of this story that we've heard
before kind of being regurgitated.
And I'm a little concerned that maybe they're shifting the focus
of this phenomena from what's really going on to almost this
kind of parallel narrative where it's no longer a discussion
about UFOs, but it's discussion about ghosts and demons and
werewolves and all that sort of stuff.
Not to say that it's not related, but I think we need a
little bit more clarity on this, actually.
Now, just to provide a little bit of background on this, I
asked ChatGPT to tell me about this AAWSAP program.
It's the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System applications
program. Well, that's a mouthful, isn't
it? It says it was a Department of
Defense initiative, most notably connected with the Defense
Intelligence Agency and often discussed in relationship to the
Pentagon's later public UFOUAP research efforts.
And it says, full name, Advanced Aerospace Weapons System
Application Programs Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency,
part of the US Department of Defense.
See what they're doing here? They just, if they just nest
these things one box inside of another time frame.
Operated roughly 2008 to 2012 under DIA oversight.
Kind of wonder how much oversight actually happened.
Funding approximately $22 million allocated through
defense appropriations influenced by then Senate
Majority Leader Harry Reid and other lawmakers.
And then 22 million. That's a pretty good chunk of
cash. Contractor.
The only bidder to win the contract was Bigelow Aerospace,
Advanced Space Studies, Bass, a private research affiliate, A
billionaire, Robert Bigelow now and that and that little tidbit
there is from the Black Vault. Now here's the problem.
If you're trying to do legitimate, serious research on
UFOs, why not just have the the government itself do it?
Why have a contractor do it? And then and then not even have
a you have one bidder? Really.
One person gets to bid on a $22 million contract?
How do we even consider anything that comes from this to be
legitimate? It just seems so suspect to be
that's to me. And I'm not saying any that
Robert Bigelow has done anything illegal or anything like that,
but this is not the way I think that you should handle this
research if it's ever going to be taken seriously.
Now it goes on down and says official AAWSAPS mission was to
research quote advanced aerospace weapons system
applications, but they end up talking about werewolves and you
know, skinwalkers. That is a potential breakthrough
technology with the future military or aerospace relevance.
Looking decades ahead, out to around 2050, the solicitation
call for technical studies in areas such as lift and
propulsion, control and power systems, material science,
spatial temporal translation, signature reduction and advanced
configurations, human interface and effects.
And then it says such wording suggests found additional
physics and engineering analysis beyond existing aerospace
technology. Well, yeah, I mean, they're
they're putting, they're putting pen to paper to tell the
taxpayer we're going to do all this research into futuristic
weapon systems when actually they're writing essays about
Skinwalker. This doesn't seem, this has
seemed kosher to me. Connection to UAPUFO research.
AAWSAP is often linked to UAP Unidentified Aero Phenomena
research, Although official DoD statements later stressed the
program was about foreign aerospace threats.
That advanced technology is not a UFO study.
Well, then, what were they doing at Skinwalker Ranch?
In popular accounts and investigative reporting, AWSAP
is described as having included investigations into UAP
sightings, exotic propulsion concepts, and anonymous
behavior, with some work reportedly conducted at places
like Skin and Walker Ranch, a private property long associated
with unusual sightings. The better known Advanced
Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
That's Louie's, which the media spotlighted in 2017 for UAP
investigations is often described as emerging out of a a
WSAP or being a more narrow offshoot products and legacy
under a WSAPBAAS is reported. You have produced dozens of
technical reports and reference documents.
DRDS examining speculative aerospace concepts from touching
on exotic physics, propulsion and advanced materials.
Boy, wouldn't you like to see those controversies and public
interest? A WSAP remains controversial and
murky because much of its work was classified or redacted.
Think about this. Harry Reid made sure that there
was $22 million assigned to this project.
This a WSAP project, $22 million, one company which is
owned by by Robert Bigelow. They get they're the only one to
bet on it. And so obviously it's a closed
project. They spend $22 million talking
about cool things they've seen in 2nd and Walker Ranch.
And then all the reports that were written and I've read
people flight out say this was just a bunch of made-up stuff by
people who wrote these little essays, eyewitness accounts.
Stephen Greenstrait, I think has done a lot of work on this.
I mean, I mean, I, I like some of his work.
He's definitely is a skeptic, but they did all this work
either supposedly, and then we end up with it being classified
or redacted. You could say, well, it's his
top secret stuff. Or you could say, look, this is
just a sloppy waste of $22 million and they classified and
redacted it so taxpayers couldn't find out how the money
was wasted. That's what it looks like to me.
This doesn't do any good whatsoever as far as I'm
concerned. For the further to UFO research
goes on, it says researchers and journalists have drawn
connections between a a WSAPUAP sightings and paranormal
investigations, though these claims vary in credibility and
are not officially confirmed. The exact relationship between a
AWSAP and a TIP, and whether a tip was a distinct program or
merely a public name for a WSAP is is debated among analysts.
Well, you've gotten into so many of these little projects as the
money has been assigned in such an opaque manner that it's, it's
almost as if it's been designed so that you can't track it so
that there is no accountability. And then we come out 10/15/20
years later and people can step forward and say, well, yeah, I
was a part of this and I knew this guy and I knew that guy.
And they got these really cool stories which they can then
monetize. And it almost just seems like
they're really drawing attention away from some of the actual
stuff that's happening in the real here and now.
Although the stuff with the with the werewolf type creatures, you
know, the dog man, the wolf man, whatever you want to call it,
the orbs. Yeah, it is interesting.
But I hate to see it get I hate to see the whole topic be taken
over by these former Defense Department employees and
contractors. Now finishing up here.
This story has been around for a while, so don't think that it's
brand new. I mean, I found this over at
brobible.com. It's his family of Pentagon
investigator had encountered with with werewolf according to
UFO files and this room by Douglas Charles.
This goes clear back to March 14th 2022 has an illustration
here of a pretty nasty looking will werewolf type creature that
says a Pentagon investigators family had not one but two
encounters with the werewolf like creature.
According to UFO files, the creature reportedly walked on 2
hind legs and was spotted twice staring into the home in
Virginia. the United States government not only has secret
files on aliens and UFOs, they apparently also have reports on
the paranormal and cryptozoology.
Not that they would ever admit it.
Fortunately, these days we have this little thing called the
Internet, so the government's wall of secrecy is slowly but
surely being chipped away. I wish that was true.
Thanks to the Internet, numerous former high-ranking government
officials and military personnel that were involved in
investigating UFOs, aliens and the like have come forward to
share their stories. This is a problem when these
guys are all former government employees.
You have to ask yourself, could this be a psyop?
It says. One such story was told recently
by retired Defense Intelligence Agency DDIA intelligence officer
James Lakasky and retired CIA Operations officer Jim Simevan,
who both worked on a secret Pentagon program investigating
UFOs. People say, well, we're only
going to look at the nuts and bolts machines.
Well, you better come up with a lot of physics.
It's far more advanced and we're capable of now, Lakatsuki, who
set up the UFO program that ran from 2008 to 2010, told
military.com. And then there's others who say,
well, they're nothing more than ghosts, part of the paranormal
world. No, they're a hybrid of both, he
added. Well, that's one way of looking
at it. Well, I find this interesting,
goes on and finishes up, it says, according to Military.
According to military.com, the legislation passed in December.
Ordering a new Pentagon office to investigate UFOs has no state
of connection to the paranormal, but it mirrors some aspects of
the earlier DIA program. There are too many things that
are unexplained that we just need an explanation for, said
Emily Harding, the deputy director of senior fellow in the
International Society and the International Security Program
at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Things like people having an encounter with the werewolf and
I would love to know who pays the salary of all these people.
Well, some more strange stories coming out.
And I have to be honest with you, I really have my
reservations. Although I, you know, I am a
believer in the paranormal and a lot of this weird stuff.
But what the connection is to the UFOs, I don't know.
And I the problem I see with all this is that it could be just a
way for the deep state to send people like us, people that are
interested in the UFO phenomena off on a rabbit trail while they
themselves study the real phenomena and keep all the
information to themselves. Either way, cool story, going to
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