Hello, and welcome to the program.
You have a warning. Today's topic who filmed Tic Tac
that's correct who filmed Tic Tac that famous UFO.
Of course, if you've been listening to podcast, you know,
that we've been talking about that recently.
And yesterday, we covered the very first contact with the Tic
Tac and that was with Captain David forever and his wingman as
they flew with. Pacific Ocean there.
As part of the Nimitz battle Carrier Group off the coast of
California about 100 miles out, actually about 60 miles, south
of the US border and just about 30 miles west of Ensenada
Mexico. They encountered this bizarre
UFO, they're hovering along the surface of the ocean above that
disturbance. In the water, they described
that disturbances something that looked like possibly a submarine
in the middle of submerging or maybe even an aircraft having
crashed there for everyone on the tell us about how he and the
other F-18 crew circled around above, apparently about 28,000
feet above that UFO and then as a as he and his co-pilot Start
the plane down toward the UFO. The UFO came zooming up, toward
them crossing the front nose of their jet airplane, added cream,
incredibly High rate of speed probably up to 3,700 miles an
hour. Now is we do a little more
research into this. We find that forever and his
crew went back to the aircraft carrier, they had some
conversations and then another crew took off in pursuit of that
UFO and this and this crew piloted by By chat Underwood
now, mr. Underwood, has been a lot more
quiet than some of the people involved in this thing.
It seems like he's really wanted to keep a low profile in the
course. That's his right.
But he was the man that captured, the video of that tick
tack on his Fleur camera, mounted on his F-18 Hornet and
that is the the videos kind of get all mixed together.
I mean, you've got you've got the two videos that came off the
east coast of the United States in 2015.
But this is the video that came off the west coast south of
California back in, 2004 back in November of 2004.
And this video, the one involving the Tic Tac is about a
about a minute long, and there's no sound to it.
So, I posted a link to that video from ABC News.
And of course, you can go to the UFO warning, Twitter account,
that's UFO. Warning can get there by going
to at warning sub UFO and whether your go ahead.
And do a follow on the Twitter, if you would now, the first
article comes from the independent and dependent,
.co.uk this came out. Oh, this article, I believe came
out about a year ago. December 2019.
Actually about seven months. It says the title says it did
not obey the laws of physics pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac
UFO breaks silence after 15 years says it was going from
like 50,000 feet to one. 100 feet and like seconds which is
not possible. Well of course we know that the
g-forces there would not allow any human operated craft to
travel at that kind of a speed that is for sure.
The articles by: Drury and it starts off as says a u.s.
fighter pilot. Our us fighter pilot whose plane
film the famous and still unexplained Tic Tac UFO footage
has spoken for the first time about his close encounter Chad
Underwood broke 15 years of Silence on the subject,
describing the object. He recorded over the Pacific.
Ocean is not behaving within the normal laws of physics.
He said it was going from like 50,000 feet to 100 feet.
And like seconds, which is not possible, the Tic Tac so called
because of its rounded shape. And white collar was caught on
video as a u.s. Navy attempted to identify
series of objects spotted on radar flying off America's West
Coast in November 2004, the authenticity of the film, which
was first made public in 2017. Now, we all know about that.
This film was one of three UFO videos from the UFO from the US
Navy fighter pilots, Was secretly released to the New
York Times who in turn released it to Louis Elizondo.
It turns out former head of a tip current employee of tssaa
and then they posted that video for several months until the
Navy finally came out. It came clean and said yes that
is in fact our video just went interject there to kind of put
forward the chain of custody that this thing was involved in
It says, the authenticity of the film, which was first made
public in 2017. Was finally confirmed by the
Pentagon earlier. This year official, said they
still had no idea what the recorded object was weather,
phenomena, man-made, craft and birds have all been ruled out.
Well, certainly, we can rule things out because we know the
radar was far too advanced to be fooled by anything like that.
The article continues speaking to the New York, speaking to the
New York Magazine, mr. Underwood said quote, the thing
that's It out to me. The most was how erratic it was
behaving and what I mean by are ready is that it's changes in
altitude AirSpeed and aspect. We're just unlike things that
I've ever encountered before flying against other are
Target's. It was just behaving in ways
that aren't physically normal. That's what caught my eye
because aircraft whether they're manned or unmanned, still have
to obey the laws of physics. They have to have some source of
lift, some Source propulsion, this Tic Tac.
Was not doing that. The article continues as says
any added. You're up there flying like,
okay, it's not behaving in a manner that's predictable.
Or is in normal, by, how flying objects physically move the
sighting came during a fortnight in which the USS prints
Princeton had noted unknown aircraft intermittently passing
across its Radar Radar Systems off the West Coast.
The contact was considered, so inexplicable.
That the system was shut down and restarted check for bugs,
but operators continue to track the mysterious object
afterwards. Then, on the 14th of November
Commander, David Freiburger was flying a mission off the USS
Nimitz when the eyeball, the object.
Now, remember, we talked about this yesterday, Commander Nimitz
was there, these f-18s F-18 fighter jets, they are a two-man
operation. You've got the pile in a aunt
and the wingman in the back. Remember how forever told us and
the interview for the History Channel that they were engaging
in a for airplane exercise. He and another plane, we're the
good guys and then two other jet airplanes filled, F-18 Hornets
filled, the role of the bad guys, and then he's taking off
here with the other F-18 Hornet. So we've got two planes for
people and As they're taking off on this exercise, they get a
message from the Princeton, that's the control ship telling
them that they are transitioning from a exercise into a
real-world task and all that, task that task was tracking
down. This UFO, verifying it and
trying to see what it was. Okay, so it says here, then in
November 14th Commander. David favor was flying a mission
off the USS Nimitz. When he eyeball the object, it
seemed he later said, To dive below, the water, resurfaced,
and speed out of sight. When he approached, that's a
little bit different, that line right there was not included in
the History Channel interview that we talked about yesterday.
I want you to notice this at says, it seemed he later said to
dive below the water resurface and speed out of sight when he
approached. So this tells us that there,
There's really something going on here, not just above the
water surface, but also below the surface because when they
first spotted that UFO, they spotted it above that
disturbance in the water. Now we hear favor say that this
UFO actually Dove below the water and then came back up.
We have to wonder what was going on with this thing.
Was there a mother ship down there?
This thing is interacting with or is this thing just going into
the water somehow refuel itself? This is a question that's really
never adequately. Only been addressed or responded
to. As free, whereas favor landed.
He told Underwood this is the guy that filmed at chatting or
would he has favored landed? He told Underwood just preparing
to take off on his own mission to be aware of unusual activity.
Now, the kind of question I have here is we're going to get this
little bit later. There is another documentary out
there with an individual who purports to be somebody in the
radar could I guess and they didn't.
And it was a discovery YouTube. The video and I linked it to the
Tweet the Twitter account, you have a warning, you can go there
and watch. It's about a five-minute extra
prevent interview and he describes it as though he sees
this Fleet of UFOs and he dispatches a crew.
So we have to wonder if that's not what's going on here with
Underwood when he goes off to film.
The saying. So, apparently by this point,
this whole situation that Nimitz had been seeing these UFOs, not
just Tic Tac but multiple UFOs fleets as they say, Off and on
for what seems like, maybe a week or ten days at this point,
Captain Commander David forever has gone off on a scheduled
Mission which turned into a UFO Hunting Expedition.
He verifies the UFO, he goes down, you know, he's a twenty
eight thousand four. He flies his, he flies his bird
down, to investigate this thing. The UFO which has been going in
and out of the water and hovering above the water.
Suddenly It shoots up in the air past that jet which is coming
down from altitude at 28,000 feet.
At this point, forever goes back to the aircraft carrier and as
he comes back I guess he has this conversation with Chad
Underwood and who's about to maybe he's already in his plane
taking off. To go investigate this UFO
further and says David, David, David favor was like, Hey, dude,
bolo like be on the lookout, just for something weird
Underwood, said, in his interview published on Thursday,
so we'd go out to where our designated training areas.
We're not necessarily looking for something, but the Princeton
had a specific object and they wanted us to hunt.
For lack of a better word. And all of a sudden I get this,
I got this blip on my radar. This is kind of an interesting
comment, he says. So we go out to where we are
designated to are designating trading area, so you can see
what's happening here, just like, with favorite, it looks as
though, their normal training are training, mission is being
turned into a UFO hunting Mick Mission because he says, we go
out to where a designating training area is we're not
necessarily looking for something, but they're Princeton
had a specific object that they wanted us.
To hunt for the lack of a better word and all of a sudden I got
this blip on my radar. So you see, this isn't just a
pilot who happens to see a blip across the sky.
Maybe it could have been a weather balloon swamp, gas, who
knows whatever this is a situation where this UFO has
been tracked by sophisticated, Navy, radar from the ship
Princeton, and the folks on the Princeton Are doing what they're
supposed to do and they're interested in there.
And they are they are sending out fighter planes to intercept
the threat. They're perceiving this UFO as a
threat against the battle group. You have all these high-dollar,
Navy ships out there, they spot this UFO, this object that's
moving around, not not conforming to any kind of
physics of this world and they're sending out this F-18
Hornets twice. Now, to track this thing and see
what's going on. The article continues.
He says, it says he said, he did not see the object with his own
eyes because he was focused on capturing video footage for
intelligence to analyze later. So see he's letting his own
Fleur radar. Do the work, he's just pointing
his his F-18 toward the object and letting the computer, take
the pictures. You said you did not see the
object with his own eyes because he was focused on capturing
video footage for intelligence to analyze later.
But he added the thing that was the most interesting to me, was
how erratic this thing. Was it was obeying physics.
If it, if it was obeying physics, like a normal object
that you would encounter in the sky, an aircraft or a cruise
missile or some sort of special project that the government
didn't tell you about, that would have made more sense to
me, the part that Drew our attention was, how it was
behaving within the normal law has how it wasn't, whether it
behave? Being in the normal laws of
physics so they see the UFO. They see it moving a these
incredibly high speeds. They see the erratic turns this
making and they realize they recognized as Pilots
immediately. This thing is not conforming to
the laws of physics. Now, you can break some laws but
you can't break the laws of physics.
It was on it says unusually unusually.
He was never fully debriefed on his sighting, but had to take a
phone call about the incident. So soon after landing he was
still in his flight gear at the time that should throw some red
flags up right there. Now this tells us that there was
more than just one or two pilots involved in this situation and
this UFO encounter, you have the initial physical eye contact
made with Commander forever. Then you have pilot Underwood
goes out and actually gets video of this thing on his fear.
He Comes back to the aircraft carrier.
And instead of going through the normal debriefing, like you
would after any flight, he's on the phone with somebody talking.
Now we don't know if these are folks from the Pentagon or men
in black or whatever. But he's on the phone as he
says, he hasn't even had time to get out of his flight, his
flight suit. He says your quote probably,
within about 20 minutes or so I spoke to someone that I assumed
was from NORAD. That's the North American
Aerospace Defense command. He revealed.
I have no idea like what level up to who I was talking to.
I just wanted to answer them, I just basically handed a
telephone. I was just basically handed to
telephone and said, hey, answer these questions.
Wow. And the last 15 years since he
said he has not speculated and what it might have been and had
not previously. Given given interviews had that
personal and had not previously given interviews because he did
not want his name attached to the little green men.
Crazies that are out there. Wow, you know, I suppose you
know he's afraid to become famous and have every UFO
fanatic on the earth. After I mean you could kind of
get the guys You could kind of understand why the guy would be
concerned about that. I'm sure he's guys are
professional pilot. All the respect to my mini seen
this. What could only be described as
a UFO and really all. He seems to want to do is just
report to thing like you supposed to and just go on with
his life and forget about it. He added, I do not want to be
part of that Community. It is just what we call a UFO.
I couldn't identify it. It was flying and it was an
object. It's as simple as that.
That I'll let the Nerds like do the math on what it was likely
to be. I just happened to be the person
that brought back the video, you can see how he's really, I guess
I guess I think about this is the guys taking a totally
professional video, he just went up, had a mission.
Its mission was to go get video of a UFO.
That's what he did. He brought it back, he gave him
the evidence and basically said don't bother me.
Seems like a little bit different approach.
Then what kind of favor had he's been on the Joe Rogan show on
the History Channel. Some other things it just kind
of goes to show you how these UFO encounters affect people
differently. Some people are curious and want
to learn more. Some people like to talk about
it I think it gives us some closure and some people just
want to compartmentalize it. They just say I saw it, that's
what it was. I don't know what it was leave
me alone and that kind of seems to be the effect here with With
Underwood he went up, he pointed his Fleur camera at this thing.
He got the video he says you didn't even see it with his
eyes, really seems like he doesn't want to talk about, it
doesn't want to describe. It doesn't want to spend any
time, thinking about it. What it was?
He just want to pick up the video and brought it back in a
way that almost lends more Credence to this encounter and
the evidence that resulted I mean, You have a person who just
did his job. It's not like he's making money
off it and even if he did make money off talking about it.
That's okay. But nobody can fault this guy.
I mean, it's a totally clean counter.
You have a Navy pilot. He says, Hey I was headed to do
my exercise that day. The sent me off to film this
thing. I filmed it, I brought it back.
I told him. I told him what I did and that's
it. And he doesn't even talk about
having seen him visual if you just as I filmed it, I got the
video he says very interesting. Now there's a couple other
things I wanted to kind of bring up about this whole Tic Tac
issue before we kind of close it out here for just now.
But Joe Joe Rogan did an interview with forever and I can
year ago, I think, and favor made a couple of comments.
I thought were really interesting.
He said that the radar does not really give a false Target.
He said he said, just he said the radar.
So Advanced basically that It doesn't, it doesn't put a false
Target out there and I think that's interesting, not that it
would matter because we have video of this thing but you have
the you have the actual video of the UFO plus, you know, you have
these pilots and radar. People telling, you know, this
stuff is so Advanced that we talked about yesterday, these
radar systems. This is 2004 and they can track
an item of sizes, but baseball, at 80,000 feet, Now, Underwood
points out that that are excuse me, favorite points out in that
show that Underwood, he said, through his targeting flare out
there, thereby exposing the Tic Tac UFO, and that's your
forward-looking infrared receiver and he said, it's
basically the same camera. That's, um, that's on the, it's
on the targeting pod, just like a smart bomb, so they've got
these. They've got these, I suppose
lasers are bombs what? It guided missiles onto that are
on the F-18 and they're using. They're using that infrared
camera to film the saying so they're just, he's pointing that
he's pointing the F-18 where they tell him is that where the
radar told him it's at and the fleurs de fleurs doing the rest
of the work. So you can kind of compare this
to. It's interesting to compare Fray
vers eyewitness account of a UFO and he described how he
described it in the movements that was making how reacted and
then compare that to under words account.
And he just basically, cyclists, as I pointed the plane toward
it, and let it film and then brought back to flare And that's
why you and watch this, you know, minute minute and a half
video of that Tic Tac there's no sound to it, it's just the flu
are recording it. A lot of times when you find
articles or videos on the stuff they have all three of the of
the Of the videos, kind of just jumbled together.
You have this Tic Tac video. That's that's the flu video that
lasts about a minute. That's the one that was taken in
2004. And then you have what's often
referred to as a go-fast and the gimbal video, those two videos
were taken off the east coast and 2015.
We'll talk about those later but this is a 2004 and somehow all
three of these videos and think about this, this Tic Tac video
was taken in 2004 and then some How it is released along with
the other two videos that were taken, what?
Mike 2015? Those three videos are all
jumbled together and released to the New York Times, okay?
Outside the normal chain of custody, who in turn releases
those two Elizondo into the Academy of stars, very strange,
very strange. All the stuff all came out the
public. Now, there's a vice.com video
and I guess, I thought it was just, it's also a discovery to.
There's a couple of my plate than both of these, I believe.
And the vice.com video says, they're speaking with this
unidentified radar person. And he says that there were
probably ten objects and the sky and then he says that he
launched The Intercept aircraft. And I think what he's talking
about, right there is Underwood now that seems a little sketchy
because Underwood says that they were heading toward an exercise
Rec area. And this guy, this unnamed
person says that he launched the aircraft to investigate these
objects Secondly says the you he describes the person does
describe the same thing that favor did.
How this UFO went from the surface of the water to an
altitude of 28,000 feet and just like, s like second or two.
It's incredible, incredible distance and just no time.
He says, he points out this radar person or alleged write
operas and points out that the UFO will silent when it should
have made rapid repeating Sonic booms.
So, that's one of the things that we can tell this was not a
drone. Okay. things moving at, I think
they said 3,700 miles an hour, which is what like My guys, five
six times the speed of sound and it's not making any Sonic booms.
He says it was 47. Ft long, ticked egg-shaped no
wings, no proportions, no propulsion system.
And it could travel miles and miles and miles away.
In a matter of a second or second or two.
I guess anything biologically said.
Anything biological net thing, given you Tonio, given Newtonian
classical physics. It would have turned you too
much. That's what the writer guy says.
In other words, this thing was taking was accelerating and
taking turns as such angles at such speeds that if you were a
person or a dog, or cat or whatever, your biological Mass
would have just turned to Mush, he would just been liquefied
because of these incredible G-Force.
In fact, he says that human body chemist and about 8 G's But the
Tic Tac UFO. Was putting out, 1350, geez.
Now just think about that. That's about 150 times what the
human body can stand. Certainly that vehicle was not
of this world. Now, when you put this all
together, we can begin to see the chronology of events that
happened here and it's a little more complicated than what it
was first presented as the soil. First came out, it just seemed
like tomato flavor had seen. Had had seen the UFO and
videotaped it. But what's going on here?
What you had days, fleets of UFOs being Observed on radar on
very high quality radar. And then it culminated when you
had these two sets of exercises by these F-18 Pilots that at
first, we have favor, actually putting eyes on the object
flying down to investigate the object as the object shoots up
toward him from sea level to 28,000 feet.
And like a matter of a second or two crossing, the nose of his
pack Crossing the, the nose of his jet airplane, this F-18 just
almost just imagine you're at you're in a urinal.
Teen may be coming down, the has a top speed, I think, would set
up 1370 mile-an-hour, say that Six coming down a thousand miles
an hour. Even 500 miles an hour and this
UFO blast past you within a few feet off the nose of your
aircraft at speeds of three thousand three thousand seven
hundred mile an hour. We know from yesterday, we
talked about this how this UFO darted off miles off to the to
the west of where the first, the first group of four For f-18s
were practicing at, they come back to the battle carrier and
the radar, people are still seeing this UFO out there and
they've seen this. In fact, he says it's all 10 of
them, they dispatch more people who were, I guess Underwood,
apparently was going on on the exercise and just like forever
was redirected to investigate this UFO.
So he's headed on an exercise and I tell them no you're not
going to do that. You're going to fly up to this
UFO at altitude. Turn your Fleur camera on And
get pictures Force, which he says, he basically says, he
didn't even see the UFO, he just pointed toward it, turn the
camera on and brought the video back and oddly enough, when he
got back to that, aircraft carrier.
There was no normal debriefing, they put him on with the phone
with somebody that he assumed it was from NORAD.
He briefly told them, you know what, they ask him, he answered
their questions delivered, the Fleur video to them and that was
the last that he talked about it for 15 years.
What we don't know. Yes.
We know how the? We know how Tic Tac was spotted
and we know who give Tic, Tac its name.
That was David forever. We know how Tic Tac was filmed
at was Chad Underwood and is a half 1,800 Hornet.
He was sent up there by the Princeton.
He vide video at it and you brought it back.
So we know how the we know how the UFO was first spotted by the
eyewitness pilot. We know how it was subsequently
filmed by the second pilot mr. Underwood.
But what we don't know is how that video that Underwood took
and brought with him back to the Nimitz which he was ordered to
do. We don't know how that video got
from the USS, Nimitz to the New York Times.
We know that shortly after under would return with a video that
certain individuals showed up to the battle Fleet in a helicopter
and retrieve. It was called The Brick and that
was all the radar data involved in this Tic Tac UFO sighting.
I left with it. So, we know that the video was
eyewitness. Observed.
We know that the video was observed and tracked on radar on
the Princeton we know that. Chad Underwood videoed Fleur.
Videoed the Tic Tac video with his F-18 Hornet.
We know that video was returned to the Nimitz aircraft carrier.
We know that somebody came and got all of that evidence, the
F-18 Fleur. Video, and the radar data.
I'll put on what's called a brick, and we know they took
that with them on that helicopter.
Still were told but how that got from that helicopter to the New
York Times to tssaa to your YouTube video?
We still haven't figured out. Hopefully the next time this guy
spot something. So cool, they'll simply post it
on the Navy website as they have promised and we can all enjoy it
without having to wait around for 15 years.
Until next time, this is UFO morning.
Over and out.