Hello, and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode, we're asking are alien mummies real?
That's correct. Are alien mummies real?
Now, of course, we're talking about the ones that Jamie Malson
has down there in Mexico, has been showing around at the
Congress, and we're asking the question, are these things real
or are they fakes? Now, I've been pretty skeptical
myself. Listener's been asking for some
time and I talk about it on the program and I've kind of just, I
put it off because I didn't want to upset people that actually
believe these things are real. And I wasn't really sure it was
worth the time to look at. But it's gotten so much press
recently that I thought, well, why not just go ahead and
present, you know, as much as I can, both sides of the story.
The first article that we have comes here from the New York
Post. It says DNA from non human alien
corpses is from Unknown Species Analyst claim written by Melissa
Cohen Konig. It says December 1st, 2023.
And it began by saying the mystery of the nonhuman
mummified remains found in Peru deepened this week when an
analyst claimed that 30% of its DNA is not human but is rather
an unknown species. Controversial journalist and UFO
enthusiast Jose Jamie Malson ushered in a team of scientists
who performed adna analysis of remains that found 30% of
genetic material is not from any known species.
And I have to warn you, there's been questions about this
because we don't really seem to have confirmation from other
independent laboratories. So when we're testing this
stuff, honestly, if you, if you want to convince people that
this stuff is real, you have to let more than one person look at
it. And you really can't just sit
there and control every single laboratory, Every single person
has access to these things. Yes, I know you run the risk
that if you send samples off to some major university or some
independent lab that the samples are going to disappear, that
they're going to automatically debunk what, whatever you're
trying to say. But it seems like you have to at
least give other people a chance to look at this thing.
That's just my opinion. I'll get off my soapbox.
Mexican researchers who appeared beside him as he testified
before the nation's Congress also claimed the figures were
authentic compromising of just a single skeleton, according to US
Daily Star. That's another thing.
They've X-rayed these things. I don't see joints anywhere as
far as like in the elbows or the knees.
So how do these things even move?
Very strange. Well it remains unclear what the
other 70% of the so-called aliens DNA matched up with.
Now some argued that the DNA analysis confirmed the mummies
are definitely not human. Well, I think what he means to
say is they're definitely not totally human.
If they're telling us that 30% of the DNA is human, then we
need to know what the other 70% is.
And if they can't tell us, then just tell us that this is the
first time extraterrestrial life has been presented in this
manner, he said in a transcript of the hearing obtained by The
Daily Star. We have a clear example of non
human specimens unrelated to any known specimens on our planet.
These specimens do not belong to our terrestrial evolution, he
continued. They were not creatures
discovered by UFO crash. Instead they were found in a
diatom mines and later transfer transformed into fossilized
mummies. So I guess what he's trying to
say is that he has some kind of information somehow.
He knows that these things were human alien hybrids.
I suppose maybe he's basing that on the fact that he's saying 30%
of the DNA came back human. Malson went on to argue that the
public has a right to know about non human technology and beings.
This reality unites humans rather than dividing us.
He said. We are not alone in this
universe. We should embrace this truth.
The alien enthusiast had earlier presented the Nixon Congress
lower chamber with photographs and X-rays, he and doctor Daniel
Mendoza said prove the estimate. The specimens do not have lungs
or ribs. Their real anthropologist, Roger
Zuniga of San Luis Gonzaga National University, Inca Peru,
said the specimens in his testimony last month.
There was absolutely no human intervention in the physical and
biological formation of these beings, he added, saying he
didn't know the origin of the beings.
So you're taking the big step there because you don't have a
chain of custody. So also presented a letter
signed by 11 researchers from the university testifying the
same conclusion, though they clarified that they were not
implying the bodies were definitely aliens.
They also presented similar claims in Peru in 2017, but a
report by the country's prosecutor's office found that
the alien corpses were actually recently manufactured dolls,
which have been covered with a mixture of paper and synthetic
glue to simulate the presence of skin.
So telling you, this guy's done this before and they've already
been proven to be false. Yet many have expressed
skepticism about the veracity of the origins of the mummified
figures due to their uncanny resemblance to Steven
Spielberg's ET and Alien, also with three figures.
These things do look like ET. And then it goes on talks a
little bit about some of the comments people have made about
that. Yeah, I don't know, it just
there's a lot of red flags here. There's another article in the
Hindustan Times that says Mexico's alien mummies are
unknown. Species experts put forth
shocking claims and raise new questions.
Beautiful all just testifies to the authenticity of Peruvian
mummies with three fingers claiming they are not humans.
It's got a picture of these things here.
Like I said, no elbows, no knees, no joints in these
things. How could they even move?
That's why I don't understand. How do they even biologically
work? Two months after two nonhuman
quote UN quote, mummies were showcased to the world with
claims that they may be extraterrestrial.
Now they're now experts have put forth proof to suggest that
those corpses were not fake and could be non human.
In September this year, the official unveiling of the alien
bodies was carried out by Ufologist Jamie Malson in new in
Mexico City's Congress, where it was ascertained that the small
magnified specimen were 1000 years old and had been retrieved
from Cusco, Peru. And they're making a lot of
transportations and assumptions here that I'm just not sure how
they got to that point. Now, in another hearing held by
Mexico's Congress, Mausam has testified to the ethnicity of
the Peruvian mummies with three fingers, claiming the two
corpses could be evidence of a non human life forms.
However, he hesitated to confirm whether these remains were
indeed from aliens. Well, I tell you, you look at
the things and to me it's one of two things.
Either they're alien life forms or they're fake.
Now they're saying 30%, 30% human.
I'm not even really seeing any human traits in here.
So how these things would have bred with humans, Whether this
was some sort of alien human hybrid that was just put here by
a different alien, you know, group or whatever, I just don't
know. But they do look, they do look
strange. They have been in the news.
Now I want to go ahead and look at another article here that has
it's a little bit more critical, I guess you could say ask a few
more questions, but I think it's important that we approach this
stuff with an open mind, but that we're also asked the common
sense questions that need to be asked.
This is from box.com. It says the true story of the
fake unbox aliens is Wilder than actual aliens Written by Aja
Romano, it says all the greed fraud centers are racism and
deteriorated llama skulls behind Mexico's unboxed aliens.
We go down to the article a little bit and says, but what
happens when such pursuits of wonder collide with shameless
opportunism and a willingness to exploit errors of
misinformation, even if it means disrespecting and distorting the
past? These are the questions were
driven to ask in light of two recently unboxed 1000 year old
aliens revealed to the world by a crew of conspiracists with a
history of trying and failing to make 1000 year old aliens
happen. You know, I'm not sure if
they're conspiracists, if they're genuine or they're
hoaxers, you know, But to throw in the word conspiracies does
not necessarily help the article, in my opinion.
The Mexican Congress is holding a hearing on the existence of
unidentified anonymous phenomena on Wednesday, September 13th,
when the alleged Peruvian aliens were hand delivered in a
dramatic coffin like box. In other words, it sounds like
they just took over the hearing. I mean, and that's the danger of
this sort of stuff. It can end up being just such a
show stopper that it it it just drives this whole hearing off
into a parallel narrative. Well, maybe we should we should
be talking about some of the UFO crash recoveries that have
happened in Mexico where they've lost, you know, where they've
lost possession of these UFOs and they've ended up in a
private contractors basement somewhere in the US.
That might be more the more important questions than what
we're looking at here. The Mexican Congress was holding
a hearing on the existence of UAP on Wednesday when the
alleged proven aliens were hand delivered.
Then it goes on and says they'll ask for the truthers.
These skeletons are not alien life forms.
Instead they are most likely a composite of pre Columbian human
remains and animal bones all pieced together with some
plaster. Now, I'm not sure I I have to
disagree with them there because we look at the X-rays.
If they're fake, to me they've almost like been poured in the
form or something, you know, just because they're all in one
piece. So I don't see, I don't see it
as something that's been, you know, wired together or glued
together or whatnot. And then it goes on and says,
but how they aren't real as a story that's frankly Wilder than
aliens. In fact, these little guys
appear to have been literally crowdfunded into existence in
2017 as part of an ongoing attempt to create the illusion
that these hucksters are sitting on an ancient alien gold mine.
And that's just the tip of the alien scam iceberg.
The full picture includes a long lineup of scabie con men
dedicated to passing themselves off as pseudo scientific experts
for media veterans to fake archaeologists and doctors with
dubious degrees, all committed to insisting, even as a litany
of real scientists line up to eject, that they're fake aliens
are real. That's a lot to unpack alongside
these two dubious extraterrestrial, so let's take
a closer look. Well, you know, it's good.
It's a good living if you can make it, I suppose, just faking
aliens and getting people to give you money on the Internet.
The origin story, I guess as long as you go to.
As long as you don't go to prison for fraud, huh?
The origin story of these fake aliens that says, Yep, you heard
it right, The unboxed aliens that caught the world's
attention in 2023 were allegedly discovered in pieces in Peru in
2016 or 2017. They were purportedly found
among the burial grounds of the Nasca and subsequently dubbed
the Nasca mummies. The Nasca were just ancient
Peruvian people known for creating the beautiful geoglyph
designs known as the Nasca Lions.
So this is a problem. If they're if they are digging
this stuff out of ancient burial grounds from indigenous people,
that that's an issue, a big time issue.
In February 2017, a crowdfunding campaign for the Alien project
appeared. The project boasted its own
website and held sponsored press conferences on the NASCAR
mummies. It promised to determine through
extensive scientific analysis, mainly DNA and C-14, the origin
of the bodies and the mummified organs discovered in South Peru
in January 2016. Quote you can trust us, the the
crowdfunding campaign read. If it is an imposture or a fake,
we will be the first to denounce it.
The campaign, however, went on to smugly assure their
contributors if there is a fraud, we have not detected it
yet. The man behind the campaign, per
the Alien Project website, is a pseudoscientist named Theory
Jamin who builds himself as an archaeologist and says he's not.
He's also the purveyor of the fraudulent aliens.
The campaign refers to the exceptional quality of these
figures. Dog sized skeleton molds of
three fingered beings that seem to have been shamelessly
hodgepodge together from a real disarticulated human remains
covered in white plaster and presented to the world as though
they were fully intact extraterrestrial beings that
have been discovered in the in the Peruvian wilderness.
Like I said, they've shown X-rays.
They don't seem disarticulated. Maybe that's why they did that.
They just seem to be all one piece, whatever they are.
On this website, the Alien project credits the origin of
the mummies not to Germane, but to a man named Lewis Quespi, AKA
Paul R Jimin describes Quespi only as the holder of an
incredible secret, without elaboration, but says elsewhere
that he is their contact with grave robbers, implying that
Quespi is a kind of mummy runner.
That's disturbing. Yet in a 2017 blog post, the
popular ufologist John Greenwald claimed to have tracked Clippy
down and discovered that he was a YouTube known for making
videos of mummies that looked exactly like the NASCAR mummies.
In order to show viewers how such mummies could be created as
a hoax, Vox has reached out to Greenwald for verification.
I wouldn't describe John Greenwald as a UFO ologist.
And John Greenwald, he has his site where he just posts lots
and lots of material that he's gotten from the government
throughout through a FOIA request.
So that that does throw a little bit of shade on the article that
they kind of put him in that light from the beginning.
Then it would seem that the perpetrators of his hoax were in
zero doubt about what they were doing.
Jameen and his team of experts were from a community of
ufologists and fraudsters with a long history of claiming fake
doctorates or degrees from discredited schools and other
sham credentials. Yet their alien investigation
somehow raised a $42,000 / 1000 contributors, and those
contributors arguably got their money's worth.
Shamine's pursuit to convince people that aliens were real
evolved into an ongoing stunt that, despite the long and loud
protests of actual scientists, ultimately led his creations to
appear before the Mexican Congress.
Almost as soon as the alleged aliens became public, scientists
pushed back against the hoax, pointing out that the alien
remains appeared to be human. There again, I don't get they
don't look human to me at all. This mummy is an archaeological
mummy from which two fingers have been removed and the number
of flanges increased on the remaining three fingers, the
website Scientifics declared in July 2017 after consulting with
researchers. The thing is, people are making
statements on both sides of the fence here, I think, without
even having to examine these things, but just from the X-ray.
If the X-rays are correct, then these things aren't showing any
joints and they aren't showing that they're put together.
They're just showing, like, to me the most logical explanation
would be that they were just carved out of one piece of
material. Or maybe they were they maybe
this, you know, this body was poured into a mold like a like a
Styrofoam mold or something, and then it was just covered with
this plaster. If it's not a real alien.
But I don't see this as being like human bones somehow knit
together and covered in plaster concrete.
That's not what the X-ray showing at all.
So I don't know why they keep saying that.
Neither are the discoveries he's claimed make to make a name of
the pseudoscience, nor the UFO frauds he's champion, which
allegedly stretched back to the 1990s.
OK, I'm talking about Mouse in here.
He does have a checkered past. I think some of the things
they're claiming here that he did that were fraudulent,
presenting a strange being, dubbed the metapic creature,
which turned out to be a skinned monkey.
You know, they got a picture of it here.
It's just it ended up being like, like they said, a skinned
monkey that he's trying to pass off as an alien.
Or maybe he was suggesting that could be an alien.
I mean, he's like maintaining plausible deniability, but he's
still hauling this thing around all over the countryside,
showing it at UFO get togethers and on television and stuff.
It's just madding championing a hoax called the Roswell Slides
in 2015, which purported to show a photo of an alien body but
turned out to be that of a mummified 2 year old boy.
Several other people involved in this hoax would later attach
themselves to the Nazca mummy hoax.
So you're trying to pass off a mummy of a of a little boy from
an ancient grave site and not cool.
And I know the hoax. A claim he did was claiming to
have discovered a demon fairy. I remember this one.
You can see the picture of it here.
It looks like well, it looks like a little demon with wings
on the back. But it turns out it says
claiming to have discovered a demon fairy in 2016, which was
revealed, which was revealed to be some conglomeration of a bat,
wooden sticks, unseen epoxy and other items designed to deceive.
But not until after he sold it for $10,000.
Man it seems like a lot of work to go to for 10 grand.
Then it says gaining an entry on the UFO watchdog Hall of
Shameless for the repeated UFO related false claims and fraud
attempts. I remember some of these that
Mausam's done and that's why I just really question anything he
brings forward because so much of the stuff that he's brought
forward has turned out to be not what he suggested that it might
be. I don't think he's ever come out
and said, oh, this is definitely what this is.
But it seems like his stick is, this is just my opinion is that
he brings out these mummies or these skin monkeys or, you know,
the bat or whatever it is and you praise them around and they
get a lot of interest kind of built up.
And he never says this definitely is that.
He's like, hey, look what I found.
You know, I can't tell you where I got it from exactly.
It's from this guy. But that's not his real name.
We have this really blurry chain of custody and there's a lot of
big coverage of it on television and the Internet and this time
before the Mexican Congress. And he never says these are
definitely aliens, but he just puts that out there.
He always gives himself plenty of room for plausible
deniability. But in the meantime, what he's
doing is he's jetting up a lot of publicity and he apparently
is generating some kind of income off of this.
That's what it looks like, at least in this case.
Here it says he sold this thing for $10,000.
Now if you sold it as is, I guess it's like selling a beat
up car. Yeah, I guess you don't know.
The transmission is going to fall out of the thing next week,
but it has been making a lot of clunky noises.
Now, if you take that thing to a car dealer and trade it in, do
you have to tell him that? Well, maybe not.
But if you sell it to your neighbor, should you tell him
that? Well, you probably should.
And so The thing is, he's bringing out all of these
different artifacts and saying, well, I don't know for 100% sure
that this is what they are, but boy, it looks like an alien to
me. And he's selling that story to
people in the UFO community. And a lot of people are just
taking it to hook light in the secret because they want to
trust anybody else in the community.
They have a high level of trust. But is it OK to do that now?
Is it illegal? I don't know.
Probably not because he has plausible deniability.
But is it taking attention away from real things that deserve
attention? Real things, like the fact that
John Greenwald can't get a unredacted version of a UFO
crash retrieval from 70 years ago.
Things like we are constantly being denied.
It's simple things like FAA logs but they don't want to tell us
about. And just this whole backlog,
vast sea of documents and information and videos, like the
videos from the cockpit where the three UFOs were shot down
earlier this year, all this kind of stuff.
We should be talking about that and demanding just the simple
disclosure, like give us the unredacted documents, give us
the cockpit video, put it on television so we can all see it,
and then we can make up our own mind.
But instead of talking about that, we're talking about a
couple of I don't know, should I call them creatures?
Should I call them creations? Should I call them little dolls,
whatever they are? Making the rounds in Mexico and
we still haven't had, as far as I can see, a open, transparent
discovery process where we can all talk about what these things
are Now I'll finish up here. It says these aliens are part of
a long pattern of racism and erasure.
This is a real thing to consider after taking these things out of
Peruvian graveyards. You know, ancient graveyards.
That's not cool. OK, that's that's really not
cool, it says. This is part.
This is the part where all of this gets less wacky and a lot
less fun. Because even beyond the travesty
that is disturbing individual disinterred remains.
Why the centuries of social attempts to diminish the glory
of pre Columbian artists and architects and turn their works
into inconceivable ancient alien wonders?
For instance, every few years the same viral discovery
recirculates around the Internet and then it goes on and talks
about kind of this whole ancient alien things and this, this
author, and maybe he's a native from there, has a lot of
discomfort and annoyance with these people saying, well these
things couldn't have been created by the locals because
they were not educated enough, they were too incompetent to
make them so It must have been aliens.
He's got a point. If there were multiple History
Channel programs and Discovery Channel programs dedicating to
to telling to telling the world that the Romans were too
incompetent to build the Colosseum of people might laugh
and ridicule that. But it seems like the same thing
can be said about these really cool giant structures made by
natives in in the distant past. And it's all fine and dandy.
So that's the important thing. I think that's why it's so
crucial that we talk about what we know.
And if you want to speculate on stuff, that's fine, That can be
fun. But let's to make sure people
know that we're simply speculating and that we're just
considering all the possibilities.
So anyway, you get into a whole can of worms here when you're
when you're going down to Peru and you're digging up graves of
ancient indigenous people that live there.
And then you're telling people, well this, this bummy that I'm
showing you could be a hybrid between an alien and one of
those ancient individuals that live there.
And then you're pregnant, body around without knowing for sure
what what its history is, what the chain of custody is.
You're going to face accusations of being indifferent toward
people, of being, you know, racist, of being just not caring
about the local culture. And that is not going to help
the UFO community out whatsoever.
So do I think these alien mummies are real?
Personally, I don't think so. Do they deserve some more study?
Sure. But we also need to establish a
chain of custody so that we make sure that people aren't going to
Peru and robbing these graves. Because, you know, we have laws
against that in this country and there should probably be laws
against that in Peru as well. Until next time, this is UFO
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