1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,440 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,360 In this episode we're talking about, Nick Pope gets fact 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,760 checked. That's right, Nick Pope gets 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,240 fact checked. And that's what we're doing on 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,400 this podcast. We're fact checking Nick Pope. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,520 He's made some comments recently that I don't agree with. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,120 I don't think he has the evidence to back them up, and 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,280 I'm hoping sometime I know that maybe they'll correct this 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,840 notion. Now, Nick Pope, you're probably 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,040 aware he's a former employee of the government of Ministry of 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,760 Defense, the MOD there in the UK, and one of his 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,600 responsibilities was investigating UFOs. 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Now, he moved here to the States in 2012, and for a while now 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,120 he's been making the UFO circuit. 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,360 I guess you could say that Nick was probably would be considered 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,120 part of the UFO celebrity mafia. Maybe. 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,200 But like I said, he does seem like a decent, sincere person. 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,800 So I'm not trying to give him a hard time. 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,400 But I want to go over this interview, the excerpts of it, 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,360 that that this article is based on talking about some of the 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,280 things that Nick said. And then we'll look at some 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,320 other articles showing how things have been taken a little 23 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:11,520 bit of a context and we seem to be stirring up a beast nest a 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,680 little bit where it's really not necessary to do. 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,880 Now I'm going to put the links on this stuff to the Co Fight 26 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,360 website. I will link the Wikipedia page 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,280 for Nick there. And then we'll also link this 28 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,200 page here from gbnews.com, GB news.com. 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,520 And you can watch a short video there and and along with the 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,280 article with Nick talking about this notion that NASA is funding 31 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,280 conferences where it is proposed that the UFO phenomena is 32 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,720 demonic. And they're doing that because 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,840 they want to get ahead of the ahead of the curve, I guess, as 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,200 he puts it, seems like a stretch to me. 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Now the title says NASA quietly funding a theological 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,320 conferences amid demonic UFO fears. 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,240 Article by Gabrielle Wilde published 25 one. 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,600 OK, so it'll be January 25th, 2024. 39 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280 UFO expert Nick Pope has revealed that NASA is funding 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,840 the theological conferences because they want to get ahead 41 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,560 of the game. Now we've heard Louis, Elizondo, 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,760 and I think even Nick come out and say that that funding had 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,880 been kind of throttled because some of the people within the 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:26,160 deep state apparatus were of the opinion that UFOs were demonic 45 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,360 and they didn't want to mess with them. 46 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,680 I just find that super hard to believe. 47 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,480 I mean, you're talking about the deep state. 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,600 They might use that as an excuse to compartmentalize stuff, to 49 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,400 keep people, to keep people like Nick and Louis out of the loop. 50 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,880 I don't know what I think. Some people view these things is 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,200 as interdimensional, and they probably view these things as 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,520 interdimensional entities with a lot of negative energy. 53 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,800 Now that might seem demonic to some people, but I don't think 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,440 that they're using the Bible as their go to handbook to figure 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,960 out what these things are. And at the same time, I don't 56 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,840 think they're sharing what they know or what they think they are 57 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,440 with us. But we'll go on here. 58 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,640 UFO expert Nick Pope believes NASA is, quote UN quote, quietly 59 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,960 funding theological conferences due to suggestions that the 60 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,640 presence of UFOs could have something to do with demons or 61 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:22,840 negative spirits. I don't know. 62 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,160 How else are they going to fund them? 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,200 Are they going to loudly fund them? 64 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,440 I'm not sure. Speaking to Patrick Christies on 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:35,560 GB News, he said that NASA wants to get ahead of the game, Hope 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,400 said. I don't believe in demons 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,600 myself, but a lot of people do and certainly the Bible talks 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,280 about these things in terms of unclean spirits. 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,360 There is probably a faction still in both the US and the UK 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,800 that thinks that some aspect of the UFO phenomena are demonic. 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,240 One of their reasons for believing that is a passage in 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,120 the Book of Ephesians in the Bible that talks about Satan as 73 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,120 being the Prince of the power of the air. 74 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,480 In my estimation here Nick is making a big reach. 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,360 I don't think that these guys in these, in these deep state OPS 76 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,760 are sitting around reading the Bible, probably much less 77 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,839 reading the Bible to get a handle on what these things are. 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,000 I mean, it just doesn't make any sense and it's it's almost like 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,760 they're trying to create a conflict here. 80 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,720 Anyway, it goes on and says, I think that it is undeniable that 81 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,760 many of the world's great religions have in recent years 82 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,560 started to think seriously and do some theological debate about 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,880 what the consequences would be of discovering extraterrestrial 84 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,800 life. Now, I think pretty much all the 85 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,960 world's religions maybe believe that there is a conflict between 86 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,600 good and evil. And most of my think do believe 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,640 in some sort of, you know, good spirits, evil spirits type of 88 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,160 thing and some sort of demonic presence. 89 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,800 I mean, you have the jinn with Islam, you have a lot of stuff 90 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,680 going on there with Buddhism and whatever. 91 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,720 So this notion of good and evil and good and evil at an 92 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,680 interdimensional level has been around for a long time. 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,480 He goes on. He says we know that the 94 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,240 Catholic Church, for example, has issued several statements on 95 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,200 this. One of them said that there's no 96 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,400 doctrinal objection to the existence of aliens because as 97 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,880 they put it, man may place no creative limits upon God. 98 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,200 I think the Catholics. I'm sorry for Catholic. 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,680 I don't mean to be offensive, but it seems to me though, as 100 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,800 though they get way, way too much of an authority pass on 101 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,000 this. That's just as if is is if is if 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,240 the Pope has the hotline to whatever aliens shows up. 103 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,960 I'm not sure why they quote these guys all the time. 104 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,400 It seems unimportant to me really. 105 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,800 I mean, they do reportedly have documents and stuff in their 106 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,160 library that they won't share with us. 107 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,600 So that that's the case, and how are they any better than the 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,480 deep state who also sends this page after page have blacked out 109 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,320 reports goes on and says NASA has quietly put in a bit of 110 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,880 funding to theological conferences that have talked 111 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,240 about this. I think it's more a case that 112 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,440 they're hedging their bets and they're thinking if it's true, 113 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,320 they want to get ahead of the game this time and not get 114 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,360 caught up in the sort of science versus religion dogfight that we 115 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,320 saw in the Middle Ages, for example, with Copernicus and 116 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,200 Galileo. Man, I just think he's going way 117 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,880 out way on a limb here and he's sawing off his own limb. 118 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,800 I mean, think about NASA. What? 119 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,800 What have they done for us, man? They've got reportedly have all 120 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,360 these pictures of the moon that they won't release. 121 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Every time a UFO shows up at the space station, NASA cuts the 122 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,680 live feed. I mean, can you deny that? 123 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,440 It's just constant. I've seen nothing but deception 124 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,720 out of NASA. And then what about their 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,920 competence? Isn't Elon Musk pretty much the 126 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,480 only reason that they're able to get astronauts into space and 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,240 back down again? I mean, if you can't even create 128 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,280 your own rockets to get your own space station, I mean, what are 129 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,080 you doing? He goes on and says. 130 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,200 The former administrative defense worker also explained 131 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,560 that we can't rule out any possibility of extraterrestrial 132 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,440 life, Christie said. There appears to be some 133 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,680 division online, as there always is when you're dealing with 134 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,240 topics like this, as to whether or not we are dealing with 135 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,480 extraterrestrials, whether we are dealing with technology that 136 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,000 is your friend that is either friendly in terms of US or 137 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,040 Western or whether it's China or Russia, or whether or not 138 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,320 there's some presence of life that predates human existence in 139 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,880 the world. Now, right there, what just 140 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,400 happened was the interviewer, he's not asking a question, He's 141 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,000 just making a speech. He's bringing. 142 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,400 He's just throwing the entire kitchen sink at old Nick. 143 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,600 And then Nick's supposed to make an answer out of that. 144 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,840 I mean, there's a lot of talk about whether or not Antarctica 145 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,360 is some kind of base for a civilization that has been a 146 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,440 lot, has been here a lot longer than we have. 147 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,520 What do you make from that? So this guy has brought up seven 148 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,640 or eight different UFO topics that you can spend an entire day 149 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,480 talking on each one. And he throws this question at 150 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Nick Pope. Nick handles it pretty well, I 151 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,840 suppose, he says the UFO expert responded. 152 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,160 One point there is that none of these theories are mutually 153 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,360 exclusive. It's possible to envision a 154 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,920 scenario where all of those things are true, and that we 155 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,800 have an extraterrestrial presence, and that some uaps are 156 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,760 attributable to secret prototype aircraft, missiles or drones, 157 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,760 sometimes ours, sometimes from an adversary. 158 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,160 And yes, even the idea, I think I've heard it called the crypto 159 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,720 Terrestrial hypothesis, the idea that there's another 160 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,960 intelligence that we share this planet with and that they're 161 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,840 down there somewhere under the oceans, under the ice. 162 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,360 I think I'm a bit skeptical about that because I think we'd 163 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,600 have picked up more signs of them. 164 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,039 And if they were that advanced, they have done things like 165 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:42,200 launch satellites that would that that which we could then 166 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,320 detect. So I'm less sure about that. 167 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,040 But having said that, when you listen to some of the US 168 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,800 intelligence community whistleblowers, people like 169 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,720 David Grush, they are very careful in their terminology and 170 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,200 they use the phrase non human intelligence. 171 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:59,760 The reason they use that phrase is that they don't limit this to 172 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,880 just the idea of extraterrestrials. 173 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,640 But they even consider things like what if these are other 174 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,680 hidden dimensions and something is intruding from one of those. 175 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,360 Now that sounds like science fiction, but you know, the Large 176 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Hadron Collider, the big particle accelerator, is 177 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,720 actively looking for those sorts of things. 178 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,240 So yesterday's science fiction is today's science fact. 179 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,480 So he makes some good points there, he really does. 180 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,280 But he's talking about, well, there could be this 181 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,280 interdimensional stuff and I think he's kind of heading 182 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,600 toward well, maybe it's demonic, but at the same time I think 183 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:40,680 Nick makes makes a mistake when he comments about NASA having 184 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,600 quietly funding these conferences where people are 185 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,040 discussing these things as being demonic at almost. 186 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,800 And I don't think he means to harm by it. 187 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,320 But it almost brings up this whole conflict that we see 188 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,520 happening where anytime, at least on my podcast, if I bring 189 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,880 up the notion that these or some of these UFO phenomena could be 190 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,600 a demonic, just the idea of a what if they get lots of hate 191 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,800 mail? People seem to be very, you 192 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,160 know, attached to certain ideas. It's almost like the UFO all 193 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,160 just become a religion for them. And they can't stand the fact 194 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,040 that, you know, we could be looking at a lot of different 195 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,000 types of phenomena. They might not just be all one 196 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,400 thing. That's all I'm saying here. 197 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,640 So for those that want to send the hate mail, like it happens 198 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,240 every time I do one of these podcasts, please just keep it to 199 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,480 yourself. We're just looking at different 200 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,880 ideas, what these things can be here. 201 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,920 And I think Nick is too, but he's putting forth this idea 202 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,560 that NASA is funding these conferences from a religious 203 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,120 perspective, from a Christian perspective, because they feel 204 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,720 like maybe these things are demonic and they need to get 205 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,960 ahead of the curve. And that's not exactly what's 206 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,040 going on here. So we're going to take a couple 207 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,880 look at a couple articles that talk about what Nick's putting 208 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,800 out there and what's actually happening so we can get a little 209 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,320 bit of clarity on this thing as we Fact Check Nick Pope. 210 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,280 Now for this first article, we're going to go back a little 211 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:09,880 ways. OK. 212 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,600 We're going to go back a few years just to show that what 213 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Nick is saying. This premise that NASA has taken 214 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,440 this religious approach to UFOs has been around for a while. 215 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,080 That's not correct. This is from apnews.com and it 216 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,360 says NASA hasn't hired theologians to study reaction to 217 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,880 alien life. This is 5:46 PM Central Standard 218 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Time, December 28th, 2021. So, you know, we're looking at 219 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,640 what over two years ago, it says claim NASA just hired 24 220 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,840 theologians to assess how the world would react if we 221 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,080 discovered alien life. A PS assessment? 222 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,680 False. NASA has not hired any 223 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:51,720 theologians to study the potential reaction humans would 224 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,360 have to the discovery of alien life. 225 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:58,600 NASA provided some funding in 2015 to the Center of 226 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,320 Theological Inquiry in Princeton, NJ, for a program to 227 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,760 study the potential societal impact of finding life beyond 228 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,280 Earth. The NASA funded portion of the 229 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,520 program ended in 2017, an agency person told The Associated 230 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,640 Press. The Facts Some social media 231 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,440 users are sharing the claim that NASA recently hired two dozen 232 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,120 theologians to research how people might respond to the 233 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,680 discovery of extraterrestrial life, teasing that the actions 234 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,960 could be foreshadowing chaos in the year to come. 235 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,360 So you can see right there, it says. 236 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,440 One tweet that was shared nearly 25,000 times made the joke that 237 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,440 so-called NASA hires were planning the seeds for the main 238 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,200 storyline of 2022. While the agency's Astrobiology 239 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,680 program did grant money to the Center of Theological Inquiry, 240 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,120 frequently referred to as CTI, to assess societal implications 241 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,320 for NASA's astrobiological and search for life efforts, NASA 242 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,640 was not involved in the selection of researches, 243 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,440 according to an agency spokesman. 244 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,400 The fellows worked independently through the center and were not 245 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,440 considered NASA employees. Further, the NASA funded parts 246 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,880 of the research concluded 4 years ago. 247 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,680 The program was also funded in part by the John Templeton 248 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:20,680 Foundation. Individuals who received grant 249 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:24,200 funding from NASA are not employees, advisors, or 250 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,960 spokespersons for the agency, the NASA spokesperson told the 251 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,360 AP in an e-mail. Thus, the researchers and 252 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,720 scholars involved in this study were not hired by NASA, but 253 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,320 instead received funding through CTI to conduct the work. 254 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,640 William Stores, CTIS director, told the AP of the purpose of 255 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,880 the program was not to advise NASA, but to convene scholars in 256 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,040 the humanities and discuss research in astrobiology, which 257 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,480 is the scientific field that studies the potential for the 258 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:54,240 universe to harbor outside to harbor life outside the US Now 259 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,640 that goes on and finishes up there. 260 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,200 Look, they weren't talking about demons. 261 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,600 They weren't postulating that these UFO phenomena are created 262 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,800 by some demonic power. NASA was simply asking, I 263 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,920 wonder, what would happen if people found out that there were 264 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,440 aliens. So you kind of see how things 265 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,840 have gotten a little twisted and a little exaggerated there. 266 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,360 But we're going to this next article and take a look at it. 267 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,600 So this last article, I think really kind of wraps up what's 268 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,080 going on here with Nick Pope with the suggestion that he made 269 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:32,640 that NASA was studying UFOs under the notion that these 270 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,880 things are demonic, which that's not what's happening. 271 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,040 And this article kind of explains the study they 272 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,960 referenced and what to me what it's actually about is crowd 273 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,360 control. What would happen to society if 274 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,440 disclosure did get out. Now this article here's from 275 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,560 thehill.com. It's also from December 28th, 276 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,760 2021. It says the title says NASA used 277 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,960 religious experts to predict how humans may react to aliens. 278 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,800 So I want you to get that notion here. 279 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,720 Nick Pope goes on and does an interview, makes this offhand 280 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,440 comment that NASA has quietly studied UFOs in the context that 281 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,840 they are demonic. And then that just kind of 282 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,120 nights a firestorm between people saying that the 283 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,960 Christian, the the crazy Christian right has taken over 284 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,560 the deep state infrastructure and they're preventing study of 285 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,240 UFOs. And I've heard Louis Elizondo 286 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,080 say that. I've heard even Nick Pope talk 287 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:34,640 about how conservative superiors at the MOD didn't want the stuff 288 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,160 that didn't want the stuff studied because they thought it 289 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,680 was demonic. Those are that's called an 290 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,440 anecdotal and hearsay. What we see, what actually 291 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,400 what's actually going on is that's not what's going on at 292 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,600 all. These guys are maybe talking to 293 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,920 theologians or people in different religious communities 294 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,080 and not necessarily Christian, but they're seeing how different 295 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,120 people, groups, different people who believe different belief 296 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,160 systems will react. And I think it's not so much 297 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,440 that they're trying to to prepare us for disclosure, but 298 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,480 they're trying to decide which limited hangout to create, you 299 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,800 know what, what parallel narrative do they go with? 300 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,720 I don't think these people are are interested in disclosing 301 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,480 anything. I think what they're interested 302 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,560 in is control. Now this title, as we said, says 303 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,160 NASA used religious experts to predict how humans may react to 304 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,440 aliens. I guess because they've been so 305 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,960 good at predicting so far, huh? Religious experts have examined 306 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,080 how each of the world's major religions may respond to news 307 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,320 that intelligent life exists on other planets, one religious 308 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,000 scholar has said. The scholar, the Reverend Doctor 309 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,920 Andrew Davison, said his work focused on the connection 310 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,560 between astrobiology and Christian theology and the 311 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,640 prospect of there having been many incarnations of Jesus 312 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Christ. We're getting into some wild 313 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,160 stuff here already, Davidson says. 314 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,360 He is an upcoming he says in an upcoming book that a large 315 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,520 number of people would seek religious guidance should aliens 316 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,640 ever be discovered. That's debatable, I suppose. 317 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,000 Two dozen theologians participated in a program funded 318 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,200 partially by NASA to research how humans may react to news 319 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,800 that intelligent life exists on other planets, according to one 320 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,079 religious scholar who says he was recruited, the Reverend 321 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:24,119 Doctor Andrew Davison of the University of Cambridge. 322 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,000 He told the Times UK in a recent interview. 323 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,880 Keep in mind, this is what, 3 1/2 years old that he was among 324 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,720 23 other Theo theologians in a NASA sponsored program at the 325 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,640 Center of Theological Inquiry at Princeton University from 2016 326 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,080 to 17. Davis said he and his colleagues 327 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,960 examined how each of the world's major religions would likely 328 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,040 respond if they were made aware of the existence of aliens. 329 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,560 His own work focused on the connection between astrobiology 330 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,520 and Christian theology. Don't think for a second that 331 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,160 these guys care a lick about Christianity or any other 332 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,440 religion. Remember, during the whole COVID 333 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,040 thing, the government went in and used certain mega churches, 334 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:11,360 gave them money, and I suspect really pushed hard to get a 335 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,800 certain narrative out there. OK, so this is about population 336 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,840 control. This isn't about religion or 337 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,960 about people's spiritual beliefs. 338 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,840 This is about population control, control, control, 339 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,280 control, Will Storer, director of the STI, said. 340 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,880 NASA wanted to see serious scholarship being published in 341 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,280 books and journals addressing the profound wonder and mystery 342 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,120 and implication of finding microbial life on another 343 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:40,600 planet, the Times reported. In a statement posted to the 344 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,640 University of Cambridge's Faculty and Davidity blog, Davis 345 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,400 said his research most mostly concentrated on the concept of 346 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Christology, or the study of who Jesus was as both a human and 347 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,080 divine being. The most significant question 348 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,480 there is probably whether one would respond theologically to 349 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,040 the prospect of life elsewhere in terms of there having been 350 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:09,600 many incarnations, or only the theologians talk about in Jesus, 351 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,920 he wrote at the time. I have also been thinking about 352 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,880 the doctrine of creation, especially in terms of how it 353 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,680 deals with themes of multiplicity and diversity. 354 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Davison added in the blog post that his research hasn't been 355 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,240 limited to religious text around which other research on the 356 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,760 topic of extraterrestrial life has tended to center. 357 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,760 And I'm thinking theologically about life elsewhere in the 358 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,800 universe. There has been a tendency to 359 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,680 pick up, mainly on passages from previous theological work, where 360 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,040 other life has been the topic under discussion. 361 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,120 I want to move beyond that and join the discussion to a much 362 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,520 wider range of material and perspectives, he wrote. 363 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,800 Perhaps the main discovery I would report on today is finding 364 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,040 just how frequently theology and astrobiology has been a topic 365 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,480 and popular. Writing for at least a century. 366 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,360 And 1/2 and monthly magazines, for instance, he added. 367 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,680 Wow, So yeah, there you go. That's your tax dollars at work. 368 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,720 Davison's upcoming book Astrobiology and Christian 369 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Doctrine, set to be published in 2022, will cover part of his 370 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,000 work with CTI at NASA, the Times reported. 371 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,840 According to a portion of Davison's book, obtained by the 372 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,200 Times, a large number of people would turn to their religious 373 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,640 traditions for guidance if aliens were ever discovered. 374 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,040 Detection of alien life might come in a decade, or only in 375 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,000 future centuries, or perhaps or perhaps never at all. 376 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,080 But if or where it does, it will be useful to have thought 377 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,040 through the implications and advance Davison rights. 378 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,320 NASA's Astrobiology Program provided partial funding through 379 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,120 a grant to the CTI 2015, with the agency funded portion of the 380 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:52,000 project concluding a 2017. A NASA's spokesperson confirmed 381 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,640 to changing America. NASA was not directly involved 382 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,080 in the selection of researches for the study. 383 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,600 And then it says editor's note this story was updated to 384 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,600 include a response from NASA. Well clearly what's happened 385 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,720 here is NASA's they're just spending taxpayer money. 386 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,000 I mean at will crazy, crazy amounts. 387 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,880 I mean, you know, we have a Defense Department that can't 388 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,520 account for $1.55 trillion and somewhere a few years ago they 389 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,280 did a study how people would react in within a religious 390 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,680 context if it was ever revealed to them that there is life and 391 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,760 you know, other life in the universe. 392 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,200 Now they're not talking about demons or even interdimensions 393 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,120 here from what I can see. They're just talking about the 394 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:42,880 basic little green men theory and how people who we're 395 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,000 practicing some sort of religion, whether it's like I 396 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,720 said Christian Islam, Buddhism, Catholicism, whatever, how would 397 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,600 those people react? So this is a story about crowd 398 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,880 control and I think that Nick Pope has completely missed that 399 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,760 in his comments. He's taken a what a three plus 400 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,800 year old study and he's tried to light a little fire here and 401 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,120 said, well NASA wants to get ahead of the game because this 402 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,480 might be demons. That's not what NASA said. 403 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,440 NASA's not interested in the conflict between science and 404 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,280 religion or anything like that. NASA's is intelligence operation 405 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,360 and they want to know how will the crowds react if something 406 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,800 happens and we can't lie to them any longer. 407 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,720 How do we frame this? How do we keep them in their 408 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,320 house? Do we tell them that there's 409 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,560 been a virus released and they have to keep 6 feet apart? 410 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,120 That worked pretty good last time. 411 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,360 Will it work this time? So what this is about, this is 412 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,640 about crowd control. It's about controlling you and 413 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,480 I. Because obviously they don't 414 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,040 want to have to go on to just do total martial law if they can 415 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,800 help it, but they would rather wage psychological warfare. 416 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,880 We've seen that happen in the last few years. 417 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,960 So what this story is about? It's about NASA exercising 418 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,400 psychological control over masses through the use of those 419 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,680 people's religious beliefs. And it's not about NASA being 420 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,520 being afraid that the UFOs are demonic, or about NASA being 421 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,480 filled with right wing Christians who don't want to 422 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,560 fund disclosure because that disclosure might involve 423 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,320 revealing that these UFOs are the baddies and they just they 424 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,960 just can't bear to look at that. That's childish and nonsensical. 425 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,200 What this is about is about NASA spending millions and millions 426 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,640 and millions of dollars on what sometimes appears to be very 427 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,880 frivolous commentary about the whole UFO phenomena. 428 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,160 And they're doing that because they're trying to put each each 429 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,320 section of humanity into a silo. Religious people here, non 430 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,040 religious people there, secular people here. 431 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:54,360 People who really like money over there. 432 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,880 People who are empathetic here, all these little tiny subgroups, 433 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,560 you know, trying to break them down and figure out what they 434 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,400 need to do to stop them in their tracks so they don't organize, 435 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,640 not even freak out, just demand accountability. 436 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,720 You can imagine if there was somehow some giant reveal where 437 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,600 people were actually confronted with the idea of this 438 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,480 interplanetary travel, interdimensional travel, 439 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,600 whatever it is, NASA wants to know how people are going to 440 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,480 react to that because NASA wants to make sure that people are 441 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,480 going to come after them. NASA's not worried about these 442 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,080 things being demonic. You don't imagine they even care 443 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,160 one bit one way or the other. But NASA does care about it's 444 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,440 controlling the information so that the deep state stays in 445 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,000 control over you. And I really think that Nick 446 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,920 Pope missed an opportunity here because he had a fork in the 447 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,120 road. He could have talked about NASA 448 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,680 and and how they're trying to control the masses. 449 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,400 Or he could have taken this wild turn off to the left somewhere 450 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,920 like he did, and accused NASA of being afraid that these things 451 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:05,480 are demonic and therefore wanting to prevent discovery of 452 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,360 said UFOs, which is the furthest thing from the truth as far as I 453 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,000 can see. Until next time, this is UFO 454 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,200 Warning. Over and out.