Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode we're talking about, Nick Pope gets fact
checked. That's right, Nick Pope gets
fact checked. And that's what we're doing on
this podcast. We're fact checking Nick Pope.
He's made some comments recently that I don't agree with.
I don't think he has the evidence to back them up, and
I'm hoping sometime I know that maybe they'll correct this
notion. Now, Nick Pope, you're probably
aware he's a former employee of the government of Ministry of
Defense, the MOD there in the UK, and one of his
responsibilities was investigating UFOs.
Now, he moved here to the States in 2012, and for a while now
he's been making the UFO circuit.
I guess you could say that Nick was probably would be considered
part of the UFO celebrity mafia. Maybe.
But like I said, he does seem like a decent, sincere person.
So I'm not trying to give him a hard time.
But I want to go over this interview, the excerpts of it,
that that this article is based on talking about some of the
things that Nick said. And then we'll look at some
other articles showing how things have been taken a little
bit of a context and we seem to be stirring up a beast nest a
little bit where it's really not necessary to do.
Now I'm going to put the links on this stuff to the Co Fight
website. I will link the Wikipedia page
for Nick there. And then we'll also link this
page here from gbnews.com, GB news.com.
And you can watch a short video there and and along with the
article with Nick talking about this notion that NASA is funding
conferences where it is proposed that the UFO phenomena is
demonic. And they're doing that because
they want to get ahead of the ahead of the curve, I guess, as
he puts it, seems like a stretch to me.
Now the title says NASA quietly funding a theological
conferences amid demonic UFO fears.
Article by Gabrielle Wilde published 25 one.
OK, so it'll be January 25th, 2024.
UFO expert Nick Pope has revealed that NASA is funding
the theological conferences because they want to get ahead
of the game. Now we've heard Louis, Elizondo,
and I think even Nick come out and say that that funding had
been kind of throttled because some of the people within the
deep state apparatus were of the opinion that UFOs were demonic
and they didn't want to mess with them.
I just find that super hard to believe.
I mean, you're talking about the deep state.
They might use that as an excuse to compartmentalize stuff, to
keep people, to keep people like Nick and Louis out of the loop.
I don't know what I think. Some people view these things is
as interdimensional, and they probably view these things as
interdimensional entities with a lot of negative energy.
Now that might seem demonic to some people, but I don't think
that they're using the Bible as their go to handbook to figure
out what these things are. And at the same time, I don't
think they're sharing what they know or what they think they are
with us. But we'll go on here.
UFO expert Nick Pope believes NASA is, quote UN quote, quietly
funding theological conferences due to suggestions that the
presence of UFOs could have something to do with demons or
negative spirits. I don't know.
How else are they going to fund them?
Are they going to loudly fund them?
I'm not sure. Speaking to Patrick Christies on
GB News, he said that NASA wants to get ahead of the game, Hope
said. I don't believe in demons
myself, but a lot of people do and certainly the Bible talks
about these things in terms of unclean spirits.
There is probably a faction still in both the US and the UK
that thinks that some aspect of the UFO phenomena are demonic.
One of their reasons for believing that is a passage in
the Book of Ephesians in the Bible that talks about Satan as
being the Prince of the power of the air.
In my estimation here Nick is making a big reach.
I don't think that these guys in these, in these deep state OPS
are sitting around reading the Bible, probably much less
reading the Bible to get a handle on what these things are.
I mean, it just doesn't make any sense and it's it's almost like
they're trying to create a conflict here.
Anyway, it goes on and says, I think that it is undeniable that
many of the world's great religions have in recent years
started to think seriously and do some theological debate about
what the consequences would be of discovering extraterrestrial
life. Now, I think pretty much all the
world's religions maybe believe that there is a conflict between
good and evil. And most of my think do believe
in some sort of, you know, good spirits, evil spirits type of
thing and some sort of demonic presence.
I mean, you have the jinn with Islam, you have a lot of stuff
going on there with Buddhism and whatever.
So this notion of good and evil and good and evil at an
interdimensional level has been around for a long time.
He goes on. He says we know that the
Catholic Church, for example, has issued several statements on
this. One of them said that there's no
doctrinal objection to the existence of aliens because as
they put it, man may place no creative limits upon God.
I think the Catholics. I'm sorry for Catholic.
I don't mean to be offensive, but it seems to me though, as
though they get way, way too much of an authority pass on
this. That's just as if is is if is if
the Pope has the hotline to whatever aliens shows up.
I'm not sure why they quote these guys all the time.
It seems unimportant to me really.
I mean, they do reportedly have documents and stuff in their
library that they won't share with us.
So that that's the case, and how are they any better than the
deep state who also sends this page after page have blacked out
reports goes on and says NASA has quietly put in a bit of
funding to theological conferences that have talked
about this. I think it's more a case that
they're hedging their bets and they're thinking if it's true,
they want to get ahead of the game this time and not get
caught up in the sort of science versus religion dogfight that we
saw in the Middle Ages, for example, with Copernicus and
Galileo. Man, I just think he's going way
out way on a limb here and he's sawing off his own limb.
I mean, think about NASA. What?
What have they done for us, man? They've got reportedly have all
these pictures of the moon that they won't release.
Every time a UFO shows up at the space station, NASA cuts the
live feed. I mean, can you deny that?
It's just constant. I've seen nothing but deception
out of NASA. And then what about their
competence? Isn't Elon Musk pretty much the
only reason that they're able to get astronauts into space and
back down again? I mean, if you can't even create
your own rockets to get your own space station, I mean, what are
you doing? He goes on and says.
The former administrative defense worker also explained
that we can't rule out any possibility of extraterrestrial
life, Christie said. There appears to be some
division online, as there always is when you're dealing with
topics like this, as to whether or not we are dealing with
extraterrestrials, whether we are dealing with technology that
is your friend that is either friendly in terms of US or
Western or whether it's China or Russia, or whether or not
there's some presence of life that predates human existence in
the world. Now, right there, what just
happened was the interviewer, he's not asking a question, He's
just making a speech. He's bringing.
He's just throwing the entire kitchen sink at old Nick.
And then Nick's supposed to make an answer out of that.
I mean, there's a lot of talk about whether or not Antarctica
is some kind of base for a civilization that has been a
lot, has been here a lot longer than we have.
What do you make from that? So this guy has brought up seven
or eight different UFO topics that you can spend an entire day
talking on each one. And he throws this question at
Nick Pope. Nick handles it pretty well, I
suppose, he says the UFO expert responded.
One point there is that none of these theories are mutually
exclusive. It's possible to envision a
scenario where all of those things are true, and that we
have an extraterrestrial presence, and that some uaps are
attributable to secret prototype aircraft, missiles or drones,
sometimes ours, sometimes from an adversary.
And yes, even the idea, I think I've heard it called the crypto
Terrestrial hypothesis, the idea that there's another
intelligence that we share this planet with and that they're
down there somewhere under the oceans, under the ice.
I think I'm a bit skeptical about that because I think we'd
have picked up more signs of them.
And if they were that advanced, they have done things like
launch satellites that would that that which we could then
detect. So I'm less sure about that.
But having said that, when you listen to some of the US
intelligence community whistleblowers, people like
David Grush, they are very careful in their terminology and
they use the phrase non human intelligence.
The reason they use that phrase is that they don't limit this to
just the idea of extraterrestrials.
But they even consider things like what if these are other
hidden dimensions and something is intruding from one of those.
Now that sounds like science fiction, but you know, the Large
Hadron Collider, the big particle accelerator, is
actively looking for those sorts of things.
So yesterday's science fiction is today's science fact.
So he makes some good points there, he really does.
But he's talking about, well, there could be this
interdimensional stuff and I think he's kind of heading
toward well, maybe it's demonic, but at the same time I think
Nick makes makes a mistake when he comments about NASA having
quietly funding these conferences where people are
discussing these things as being demonic at almost.
And I don't think he means to harm by it.
But it almost brings up this whole conflict that we see
happening where anytime, at least on my podcast, if I bring
up the notion that these or some of these UFO phenomena could be
a demonic, just the idea of a what if they get lots of hate
mail? People seem to be very, you
know, attached to certain ideas. It's almost like the UFO all
just become a religion for them. And they can't stand the fact
that, you know, we could be looking at a lot of different
types of phenomena. They might not just be all one
thing. That's all I'm saying here.
So for those that want to send the hate mail, like it happens
every time I do one of these podcasts, please just keep it to
yourself. We're just looking at different
ideas, what these things can be here.
And I think Nick is too, but he's putting forth this idea
that NASA is funding these conferences from a religious
perspective, from a Christian perspective, because they feel
like maybe these things are demonic and they need to get
ahead of the curve. And that's not exactly what's
going on here. So we're going to take a couple
look at a couple articles that talk about what Nick's putting
out there and what's actually happening so we can get a little
bit of clarity on this thing as we Fact Check Nick Pope.
Now for this first article, we're going to go back a little
ways. OK.
We're going to go back a few years just to show that what
Nick is saying. This premise that NASA has taken
this religious approach to UFOs has been around for a while.
That's not correct. This is from apnews.com and it
says NASA hasn't hired theologians to study reaction to
alien life. This is 5:46 PM Central Standard
Time, December 28th, 2021. So, you know, we're looking at
what over two years ago, it says claim NASA just hired 24
theologians to assess how the world would react if we
discovered alien life. A PS assessment?
False. NASA has not hired any
theologians to study the potential reaction humans would
have to the discovery of alien life.
NASA provided some funding in 2015 to the Center of
Theological Inquiry in Princeton, NJ, for a program to
study the potential societal impact of finding life beyond
Earth. The NASA funded portion of the
program ended in 2017, an agency person told The Associated
Press. The Facts Some social media
users are sharing the claim that NASA recently hired two dozen
theologians to research how people might respond to the
discovery of extraterrestrial life, teasing that the actions
could be foreshadowing chaos in the year to come.
So you can see right there, it says.
One tweet that was shared nearly 25,000 times made the joke that
so-called NASA hires were planning the seeds for the main
storyline of 2022. While the agency's Astrobiology
program did grant money to the Center of Theological Inquiry,
frequently referred to as CTI, to assess societal implications
for NASA's astrobiological and search for life efforts, NASA
was not involved in the selection of researches,
according to an agency spokesman.
The fellows worked independently through the center and were not
considered NASA employees. Further, the NASA funded parts
of the research concluded 4 years ago.
The program was also funded in part by the John Templeton
Foundation. Individuals who received grant
funding from NASA are not employees, advisors, or
spokespersons for the agency, the NASA spokesperson told the
AP in an e-mail. Thus, the researchers and
scholars involved in this study were not hired by NASA, but
instead received funding through CTI to conduct the work.
William Stores, CTIS director, told the AP of the purpose of
the program was not to advise NASA, but to convene scholars in
the humanities and discuss research in astrobiology, which
is the scientific field that studies the potential for the
universe to harbor outside to harbor life outside the US Now
that goes on and finishes up there.
Look, they weren't talking about demons.
They weren't postulating that these UFO phenomena are created
by some demonic power. NASA was simply asking, I
wonder, what would happen if people found out that there were
aliens. So you kind of see how things
have gotten a little twisted and a little exaggerated there.
But we're going to this next article and take a look at it.
So this last article, I think really kind of wraps up what's
going on here with Nick Pope with the suggestion that he made
that NASA was studying UFOs under the notion that these
things are demonic, which that's not what's happening.
And this article kind of explains the study they
referenced and what to me what it's actually about is crowd
control. What would happen to society if
disclosure did get out. Now this article here's from
thehill.com. It's also from December 28th,
2021. It says the title says NASA used
religious experts to predict how humans may react to aliens.
So I want you to get that notion here.
Nick Pope goes on and does an interview, makes this offhand
comment that NASA has quietly studied UFOs in the context that
they are demonic. And then that just kind of
nights a firestorm between people saying that the
Christian, the the crazy Christian right has taken over
the deep state infrastructure and they're preventing study of
UFOs. And I've heard Louis Elizondo
say that. I've heard even Nick Pope talk
about how conservative superiors at the MOD didn't want the stuff
that didn't want the stuff studied because they thought it
was demonic. Those are that's called an
anecdotal and hearsay. What we see, what actually
what's actually going on is that's not what's going on at
all. These guys are maybe talking to
theologians or people in different religious communities
and not necessarily Christian, but they're seeing how different
people, groups, different people who believe different belief
systems will react. And I think it's not so much
that they're trying to to prepare us for disclosure, but
they're trying to decide which limited hangout to create, you
know what, what parallel narrative do they go with?
I don't think these people are are interested in disclosing
anything. I think what they're interested
in is control. Now this title, as we said, says
NASA used religious experts to predict how humans may react to
aliens. I guess because they've been so
good at predicting so far, huh? Religious experts have examined
how each of the world's major religions may respond to news
that intelligent life exists on other planets, one religious
scholar has said. The scholar, the Reverend Doctor
Andrew Davison, said his work focused on the connection
between astrobiology and Christian theology and the
prospect of there having been many incarnations of Jesus
Christ. We're getting into some wild
stuff here already, Davidson says.
He is an upcoming he says in an upcoming book that a large
number of people would seek religious guidance should aliens
ever be discovered. That's debatable, I suppose.
Two dozen theologians participated in a program funded
partially by NASA to research how humans may react to news
that intelligent life exists on other planets, according to one
religious scholar who says he was recruited, the Reverend
Doctor Andrew Davison of the University of Cambridge.
He told the Times UK in a recent interview.
Keep in mind, this is what, 3 1/2 years old that he was among
23 other Theo theologians in a NASA sponsored program at the
Center of Theological Inquiry at Princeton University from 2016
to 17. Davis said he and his colleagues
examined how each of the world's major religions would likely
respond if they were made aware of the existence of aliens.
His own work focused on the connection between astrobiology
and Christian theology. Don't think for a second that
these guys care a lick about Christianity or any other
religion. Remember, during the whole COVID
thing, the government went in and used certain mega churches,
gave them money, and I suspect really pushed hard to get a
certain narrative out there. OK, so this is about population
control. This isn't about religion or
about people's spiritual beliefs.
This is about population control, control, control,
control, Will Storer, director of the STI, said.
NASA wanted to see serious scholarship being published in
books and journals addressing the profound wonder and mystery
and implication of finding microbial life on another
planet, the Times reported. In a statement posted to the
University of Cambridge's Faculty and Davidity blog, Davis
said his research most mostly concentrated on the concept of
Christology, or the study of who Jesus was as both a human and
divine being. The most significant question
there is probably whether one would respond theologically to
the prospect of life elsewhere in terms of there having been
many incarnations, or only the theologians talk about in Jesus,
he wrote at the time. I have also been thinking about
the doctrine of creation, especially in terms of how it
deals with themes of multiplicity and diversity.
Davison added in the blog post that his research hasn't been
limited to religious text around which other research on the
topic of extraterrestrial life has tended to center.
And I'm thinking theologically about life elsewhere in the
universe. There has been a tendency to
pick up, mainly on passages from previous theological work, where
other life has been the topic under discussion.
I want to move beyond that and join the discussion to a much
wider range of material and perspectives, he wrote.
Perhaps the main discovery I would report on today is finding
just how frequently theology and astrobiology has been a topic
and popular. Writing for at least a century.
And 1/2 and monthly magazines, for instance, he added.
Wow, So yeah, there you go. That's your tax dollars at work.
Davison's upcoming book Astrobiology and Christian
Doctrine, set to be published in 2022, will cover part of his
work with CTI at NASA, the Times reported.
According to a portion of Davison's book, obtained by the
Times, a large number of people would turn to their religious
traditions for guidance if aliens were ever discovered.
Detection of alien life might come in a decade, or only in
future centuries, or perhaps or perhaps never at all.
But if or where it does, it will be useful to have thought
through the implications and advance Davison rights.
NASA's Astrobiology Program provided partial funding through
a grant to the CTI 2015, with the agency funded portion of the
project concluding a 2017. A NASA's spokesperson confirmed
to changing America. NASA was not directly involved
in the selection of researches for the study.
And then it says editor's note this story was updated to
include a response from NASA. Well clearly what's happened
here is NASA's they're just spending taxpayer money.
I mean at will crazy, crazy amounts.
I mean, you know, we have a Defense Department that can't
account for $1.55 trillion and somewhere a few years ago they
did a study how people would react in within a religious
context if it was ever revealed to them that there is life and
you know, other life in the universe.
Now they're not talking about demons or even interdimensions
here from what I can see. They're just talking about the
basic little green men theory and how people who we're
practicing some sort of religion, whether it's like I
said Christian Islam, Buddhism, Catholicism, whatever, how would
those people react? So this is a story about crowd
control and I think that Nick Pope has completely missed that
in his comments. He's taken a what a three plus
year old study and he's tried to light a little fire here and
said, well NASA wants to get ahead of the game because this
might be demons. That's not what NASA said.
NASA's not interested in the conflict between science and
religion or anything like that. NASA's is intelligence operation
and they want to know how will the crowds react if something
happens and we can't lie to them any longer.
How do we frame this? How do we keep them in their
house? Do we tell them that there's
been a virus released and they have to keep 6 feet apart?
That worked pretty good last time.
Will it work this time? So what this is about, this is
about crowd control. It's about controlling you and
I. Because obviously they don't
want to have to go on to just do total martial law if they can
help it, but they would rather wage psychological warfare.
We've seen that happen in the last few years.
So what this story is about? It's about NASA exercising
psychological control over masses through the use of those
people's religious beliefs. And it's not about NASA being
being afraid that the UFOs are demonic, or about NASA being
filled with right wing Christians who don't want to
fund disclosure because that disclosure might involve
revealing that these UFOs are the baddies and they just they
just can't bear to look at that. That's childish and nonsensical.
What this is about is about NASA spending millions and millions
and millions of dollars on what sometimes appears to be very
frivolous commentary about the whole UFO phenomena.
And they're doing that because they're trying to put each each
section of humanity into a silo. Religious people here, non
religious people there, secular people here.
People who really like money over there.
People who are empathetic here, all these little tiny subgroups,
you know, trying to break them down and figure out what they
need to do to stop them in their tracks so they don't organize,
not even freak out, just demand accountability.
You can imagine if there was somehow some giant reveal where
people were actually confronted with the idea of this
interplanetary travel, interdimensional travel,
whatever it is, NASA wants to know how people are going to
react to that because NASA wants to make sure that people are
going to come after them. NASA's not worried about these
things being demonic. You don't imagine they even care
one bit one way or the other. But NASA does care about it's
controlling the information so that the deep state stays in
control over you. And I really think that Nick
Pope missed an opportunity here because he had a fork in the
road. He could have talked about NASA
and and how they're trying to control the masses.
Or he could have taken this wild turn off to the left somewhere
like he did, and accused NASA of being afraid that these things
are demonic and therefore wanting to prevent discovery of
said UFOs, which is the furthest thing from the truth as far as I
can see. Until next time, this is UFO
Warning. Over and out.