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Hello and welcome to the podcast
UFO Warning. 

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In this episode, we're talking 
about Anna Paulina Luna's 

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message. 
That's right, Anna Paulina 

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Luna's message. 
Of course, she's a gal there. 

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That is Republican 
congressperson from Florida. 

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Some strange things happening. 
This first article is from Daily

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Mail. dailymail.co.uk Title says
UFO believing Congresswoman 

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Anapolina Luna's cryptic message
has everyone saying the same 

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thing. 
Written by Stacy Liberatore for 

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dailymail.com this is dated 
February 4th, 2025. 

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Starts off it says a Florida 
Congresswoman who believes some 

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UFOs are non are of non human 
origin has teased a major 

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announcement in the coming days.
Representative Anna Polina Luna 

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who was Privy to classified UAP 
files posted she has an 

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announcement next week that will
impact the entire nation. 

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I just want to interject here. 
I've seen Congressman Tim 

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Berchett talk about these 
hearings where they have where 

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they take him into a skiff unit 
and they view these files that 

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they've classified and he he 
seems to think that basically a 

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lot of times they just do that 
to keep the congressman from 

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talking about it. 
And maybe there's some way 

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around that she's found, I don't
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Americans filled the comments 
with a single idea that UAP 

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disclosure is finally coming. 
UAP, or unidentified anomalous 

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phenomena, has replaced UFO to 
reduce stigma and encourage 

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scientific study. 
Florida Congressman Jared 

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Muskowski, Democrat, also 
commented on the post with a 

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simple I know. dailymail.com 
asked Moskowitz if Luna's 

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statement was about UAP 
disclosure, to which the 

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representative said she did not 
want to get ahead of her. 

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Well, Luna has not provided 
further details about what is to

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come. 
She and Moskowitz were part of a

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secret UFO briefing last month 
to investigate claims from a 

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high profile whistleblower. 
Reports suggested that members 

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of Congress were left with 
little clarity about what the 

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government knows about 
extraterrestrial life. 

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Well, the government or the deep
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Because I think there's 
definitely a difference. 

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However, Luna Mauskowitz and the
other lawmakers were banned by 

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law for relaying what they heard
during the closed door briefing.

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Now, this is called 
compartmentalization. 

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It's where you just are able to 
trap the information into these 

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different compartments where 
people aren't allowed to talk 

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about it. 
And they can use all sorts of 

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deception to do that. 
It has a Twitter here from, I 

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guess, an exit, call it now from
her representative, Annapolina 

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Luna. 
And then it says, I have 

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announced, I have an 
announcement next week that will

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impact the entire nation. 
Press conference date will be 

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announced soon. 
You know, I would not, I would 

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not postpone this if I was her. 
And we'll get into this whole 

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concept of wet weather pretty 
quick here now, it says. 

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dailymail.com has reached out to
Luna for comment. 

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Luna is a member of the House 
Committee on Oversight and 

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Reform, which has been 
investigating claims about UFOs 

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and carrying out historic 
hearings with military 

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whistleblowers. 
She and Maskowitz are also Co 

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sponsors of the UAP Transparency
Act, introduced in 2024, which 

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requires the president to direct
all federal agencies and 

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departments to make all 
documents relating to Uaps 

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available to the public within 
270 days. 

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That's a long time. 
Luna's post shared Monday has 

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more than 3000 comments, many of
which suggest the big 

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announcement about Uaps. 
You know, I think at best we can

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hope for a limited hangout, but 
who knows, maybe she'll get 

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something out of there. 
Maybe some little bit of 

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information will escape. 
We can only hope. 1EX user asked

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if she would be announcing it 
through the UAP Disclosure Act, 

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while many other comments just 
asked her if it if it was 

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aliens. 
I don't think that UAP 

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Disclosure Act actually passed 
to become law. 

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Several ex users raised the fact
that Luna said the announcement 

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would impact the world, 
questioning the idea of alien 

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life being exposed. 
If it was related to UAP 

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disclosure, it would have a 
worldwide impact. 

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Therefore, this is not related 
to UAP disclosure. 

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Shared UAP one, Huh. 
Well, I'm not sure how they draw

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that conclusion, but whatever. 
While many people agreed with 

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him, another user shared her 
responsibility is to our nation,

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not the world. 
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assume world changing things. 
Even if it was US disclosure, 

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other nations would have 
disclosed if they had the means 

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too long ago. 
Yeah, I I don't think she's 

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really looking at this from a 
world viewpoint. 

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I think she's like, I think this
person is correct. 

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It's just all part of the, you 
know, how this impacts American 

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citizens. 
I mean, she's a congressperson 

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after all, goes on down here. 
It says the secret briefing in 

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January reportedly focused on 
claims by David Grush, who said 

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the government has recovered non
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sites. 
Now, I've done a couple shows on

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David Grush. 
I personally think that he's a 

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sincere person who's being 
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Now, I don't know if what he 
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I don't think that he's 
intentionally misleading people 

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personally. 
He seems sincere and honest. 

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And, you know, we went over 
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think it was. 
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journalist and the description 
of David Gresh made him seem a 

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little paranoid and maybe he has
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And that's what kind of comes in
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this idea that there's ACIA 
project out there that was put 

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in place decades ago to deal 
with whistleblowers who became a

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threat to the secrecy of this 
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And says. 
Gresh, a former high-ranking 

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intelligence official, was one 
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who testified Underoath in 2023 
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encounters or knowledge about 
secret government programs 

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involving technology that is non
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He claimed that the US has been 
in position of UFOs since the 

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1930s and has been secretly back
engineering them and carrying 

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out a public disinformation 
campaign to prevent the details 

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from leaking publicly. 
Representative Tim Burchett, 

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Republican Tennessee, held the 
hearing with Luna and asked 

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Grush personally. 
Have you heard anyone has been 

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murdered? 
Grush replied. 

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I have to be careful answering 
that question. 

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I directed people with that 
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authorities. 
That's a little spooky right 

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there. 
The Pentagon has denied the 

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claims. 
The January briefing was said to

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provide some evidence to support
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but lawmakers did not reveal 
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This is the first real briefing 
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made, I would say, progress on 
some of the claims Mr. Gresh has

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made. 
Ask what's told the New York 

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Times. 
This is the first time we kind 

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of got a ruling on what the IG 
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Luna echoed the statements, 
saying lawmakers are continually

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being stonewalled. 
We are authorizing money that is

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supposed to be spent on certain 
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compartmentalization in which 
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oversight in those programs, she
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And that's a problem. 
Well, what did we hear about all

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the money that's missing that's 
been sent to Ukraine or the 2 

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trillion or whatever it is that 
the Defense Department can't 

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account for? 
I mean, it's on and on and on. 

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And it's a, it's become 
generational theft at this 

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point. 
Doesn't really seem to matter 

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who's in office. 
But maybe this time, since Trump

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has faced arrest and life in 
prison, he'll have enough. 

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He'll have enough in him to go 
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I don't know, this whole thing 
about Gresh having his life 

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threatened or knowing the people
that had been maybe possibly 

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murdered, It's kind of what 
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This goes back to this Operation
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about. 
It's it's nothing that's 

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actually been proven. 
Of course, it's just speculated 

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and I did maybe it's been a 
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don't know. 
I did a YouTube video on this 

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and YouTube was not happy. 
I got, you know, got my account.

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I think it might have been 
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something, I don't remember. 
But anyway, they got real nasty 

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about it. 
I've talked about in the podcast

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before and Spotify has been real
cool about it. 

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I'm not saying this is factual, 
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something somebody's written 
about now. 

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Why? 
I went to do a little research 

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on it today and I couldn't find 
anything on it. 

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It's like stuff's just been 
cleaned. 

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But I did get a ChatGPT to 
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least open to the idea, which 
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I said tell me what you know 
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it deals with threats to UFO 
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And ChatGPT says I couldn't find
any widely known or declassified

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references to Operation Wet 
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That's interesting. 
They couldn't find any widely 

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known or declassified references
you got to make. 

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I just wonder if there's 
something out there that GT 

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ChatGPT knows about but can't 
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I don't know. 
I'm afraid to ask because 

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honestly, I don't want to see 
classified stuff. 

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I don't need to have a SWAT team
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the morning. 
I surely don't have the money to

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defend myself. 
I mean, the, the revenue that 

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this podcast generates is is is 
tiny, miniscule I, I can hardly 

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pay for the Internet connection 
with that little alone hired 

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defense lawyer to keep myself 
from being locked up in an 

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underground prison somewhere. 
So no, I'm not interested in 

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classified reports from G from 
ChatGPT. 

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But I do find this but curious 
that they described it that way 

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and then it goes on and says. 
However, if this is an obscure 

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or speculative operation tied to
UFO cover ups, it could be a 

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subject of classified 
intelligence or deep state 

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secrecy theories. 
Could you clarify where you've 

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come across this term? 
It might be linked to something 

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like Project Blue Book, Majestic
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to control UFO related 
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I'm interested in hearing more 
about what you know. 

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That comment is interesting. 
It's also a little odd. 

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I can assure ChatGPT and Google 
that I don't know anything else.

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I'm that's why I'm asking them. 
So yeah, I'm they should know 

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this. 
I'm sure they go through my 

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computer thoroughly whenever 
they want to, right? 

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Don't they? 
All of us? 

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It says that's an and then so I 
went ahead and I asked and I 

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said it is supposed to, it is a 
supposed CIA operation to 

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silence UFO whistleblowers. 
And one of the earliest victims 

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may have been JFK. 
Now, of course, we talked about 

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this in the podcast, that 
there's this theory, conspiracy 

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theory if you will, that JFJFK 
had ordered the CIA to release 

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UFO files to him and that it was
shortly after this release order

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direction directed by him that 
he ended up unalived in Dallas, 

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TX. 
That might have been one reason 

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among many, who knows? 
There's a lot of things that he 

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was doing that made the deep 
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It says that's an interest. 
That's an intriguing angle. 

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The idea that Operation Wet, 
whether it was ACIA initiative 

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to silence UFO whistleblowers, 
possibly even linked to JFK's 

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assassination, would place it 
alongside some of the more 

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covert theories regarding UFO 
secrecy. 

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There's long been speculation 
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UFOs and wanted to declassify 
certain files. 

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Some researchers point to a memo
from JFK to the CIA dated 

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November 12th, 1963, just 10 
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where he requested access to 
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This has fueled theories that 
elements within the intelligence

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community saw him as a threat to
UFO secrecy. 

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The name Operation Wet Weather 
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If it was real, the term wet 
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assassination, similar to the 
Russian intelligence phrase wet 

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work, meaning operations 
involving bloodshed. 

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That would imply it was more 
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information, but potentially a 
program targeting individuals. 

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And then it says, do you know of
any specific sources or 

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documents that mentioning this 
operation? 

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It doesn't seem to be widely 
known, but if it's real it could

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be one of the missing links in 
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That's that's strange. 
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giving a very open minded answer
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being very sincere and curious. 
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some high level psychological 
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I don't know, but that's that's 
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This is AI is becoming something
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I can tell you that. 
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at Grush, we can just kind of 
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Whistleblower tells Congress the
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program that captures UFOs. 
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Grush here at that. 
Testimony about what a year ago 

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this year? 
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the US is concealing a long 
standing program that retrieves 

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and reverse engineers 
unidentified flying objects, A 

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former Air Force intelligence 
officer testified Wednesday to 

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Congress. 
The Pentagon has denied his 

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claims. 
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about. 
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forward and make some 
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Here, Retired Major David 
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testimony before a House 
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Congress slash foray into the 
world of Uaps, or Unidentified 

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Aerial Phenomena, which is the 
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uses instead of UFOs. 
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aircraft or objects often evokes
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men, Democrats and Republicans 
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for more research as a national 
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that sightings observed by 
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adversaries. 
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2019 by the head of a government
task force on Uaps to identify 

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all highly classified programs 
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mission. 
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to the National Reconnaissance 
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US spy satellites. 
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quote, I was informed in the 
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a multi decade UAP crash 
retrieval and reverse 

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engineering program, to which I 
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You wonder why they would even 
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tell him in an official 
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Like I said, could be limited 
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Ask whether the US government 
had information about 

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extraterrestrial life. 
Grush said the US likely has 

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been aware of non human activity
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The Pentagon has denied Grush's 
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statement, Defense Department 
spokeswoman Sue GAO said, said 

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investigations have not 
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information to sustainable 
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regarding the position or 
reverse engineering of 

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extraterrestrial materials have 
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currently. 
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there. 
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UFOs that are not suspected of 
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Grush says he became a 
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his discovery and has faced 
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He declined to be more specific 
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citing an ongoing investigation.
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did, you know, they were talking
about him. 

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I think actually even wearing a 
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concerned about it. 
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unfortunate. 
Some of the tactics they used to

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hurt me both professionally and 
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He said there was I read 
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kind of a health crisis and 
having his mental health records

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released, which seemed pretty 
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That Representative Glenn 
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shared the panel's hearing and 
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Welcome to the most exciting 
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week. 
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Grush's claims and a more sober 
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featuring whistleblowers 
celebrated by Republicans and 

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criticized by Democrats. 
Lawmakers in both parties asked 

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Grush about his study of UFOs 
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how they could find out more 
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programs. 
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arguing what we need is real 
transparency and reporting 

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systems so we can get some 
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there, UN quote, said 
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Democrat Maryland. 
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Pentagon for not providing more 
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or releasing images that could 
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In previous hearings, Pentagon 
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from an F18 military plane that 
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like object. 
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trying to create enough doubt in
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quit pursuing this stuff. 
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said they had received several 
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launching Since launching a 
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reports of UFOs. 
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anything, and we're still very 
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believe that any of the objects 
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origin. 
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Under Secretary of defense for 
intelligence and security, any 

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unauthorized system in our 
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safety. 
Kind of a run on sentencer. 

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I don't know. 
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Well, that's how this whole 
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maybe she's going to finish it. 
I don't know. 

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There's one other thing I want 
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quick. 
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whole to this whole thing with 
David Grush and his revelations,

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we have to remember there was 
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Immaculate constellation and 
Jeremy Korbel was involved in 

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that, and I remembered him being
angry about not getting credit. 

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I couldn't find a whole lot on 
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remarks being made. 
I think it's important not to 

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alienate any allies that we 
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though I don't expect a lot of 
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Even with a limited hangout, we 
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what's said and get a little bit
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Who knows? 
I want to look at this article 

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here, and then we'll wrap this 
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This is from 
paranormalinsight.co.uk, says 

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Jeremy Corbell. 
And Immaculate Constellation 

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When Ego Overshadows UFO 
Disclosure kind of gets into 

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this whole thing about when we 
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sometimes I call them these kind
of the made men or even a few 

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made women of the UFO mafia. 
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Congress, things can get pretty 
strange, says Jeremy Korbel, a 

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prominent figure in UFO 
research. 

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And I just have to say I do like
a lot of his work. 

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I thought Patient 17 was really 
a good documentary, even with 

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all the cursing. 
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cinematic, that it got to the 
point and it really, really 

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touched me on a kind of an 
emotional and on a, and on a 

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intellectual level. 
So I'm not dissing that guy. 

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I'm just saying he can be a 
little volatile sometimes. 

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But you know, I mean, I have all
the respect in the world for him

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now. 
Jeremy Corbeil, a prominent 

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figure in UFO research, has made
significant contributions to 

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public interest in unidentified 
anonymous phenomena known for 

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documentaries like Bob Lazar, 
Area 51 and Flying Saucers. 

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And hunt for the Skinwalker 
ranch. 

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I'm surprised he didn't put 
Patients 17 in there. 

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That's just one of the greatest 
implant movies ever. 

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I think. 
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as a leading researcher in the 
field. 

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However, his career has also 
been marked by controversies, 

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with critics point to his 
tendency to to prioritize 

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personal recognition over the 
pursuit of truth. 

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His recent public outburst over 
the Immaculate Constellation 

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Report featured in UFO 
Revolution Season 2 adds to a 

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growing list of incidents that 
raise questions about his 

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professionalism and priorities. 
Now I will say this in his 

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defense, I'm looking back, you 
know, when I when I was going to

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university, what seems like a 
century ago now. 

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But I remember that one of the 
professors talking about how 

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making a little joke about 
people getting angry because 

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they weren't cited properly in 
research papers, but that's her 

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craft and trade with these guys.
So they demand to be cited. 

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Maybe that's kind of his thing 
too. 

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I mean, this is his job is he's 
a journalist. 

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And when he's not cited 
properly, probably feels like 

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he's been given a shaft. 
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upset, but you know, they're not
going to let it go. 

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It says the Immaculate 
Constellation report is tied to 

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allegations of a secret U.S. 
Department of Defense program 

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allegedly managing UAP phenomena
without traditional knowledge or

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authorization, purported to be 
an unacknowledged Special Access

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Program, or USAP. 
USAP. 

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I think that's, I think that 
that is where the taxpayers are,

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the SAPS. 
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identifying, monitoring, and 
potentially retrieving Uaps. 

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The report suggests that the US 
government may have engaged in 

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these activities for decades. 
The claim the government 

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officially denies. 
Now for all those people that 

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are so silly to think that we 
don't have a deep state, well, 

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this is the deep state right 
here. 

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These, these unacknowledged 
spatial access programs where 

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the government is legally 
allowed to spend, I don't know, 

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billions of dollars, maybe 
trillions, I don't know, on 

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programs that you and I don't 
have access. 

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And I think there's only like, I
think it's called the Gang of 

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eight. 
There's like 8 different 

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Congress people that are allowed
to know about these things. 

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And I mean, honestly, what would
they know? 

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I know, like I know Marco Rubio 
was a member of that. 

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So I certain ones have access to
this stuff. 

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OK. 
So it goes on and says Korbel 

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played a significant role in 
bringing this report to light. 

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He provided 12 page document 
allegedly sourced from a 

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whistleblower within the program
to members of Congress. 

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The document aimed to expose the
program's operation and compel 

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further investigation. 
However, controversy arose when 

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a critical cover letter written 
by Korbel was omitted from the 

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document submitted to Congress, 
raising questions about the 

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completeness and credibility of 
the information. 

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And it's got a point because if 
he handed them the 12 page 

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document and he put a cover 
letter on it, even if it was 

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kind of just to get his name out
there, they should have left it 

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because this helps establish a 
chain of custody. 

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And too many times in these 
things we see, we get this 

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evidence, but we have no chain 
of custody or the chain of 

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custody is very opaque. 
So I kind of have to side with 

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Jeremy on this. 
The situation became even more 

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convoluted during a 
congressional hearing when 

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Republican Representative Nancy 
Mace credited journalist Michael

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Schoenberger for delivering the 
report. 

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Korbel insisted that he 
personally handed the document, 

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including his omitted cover 
letter, to a congressional aide.

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This discrepancy triggered a 
public confrontation between 

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Korbel, Mace and Shellenberger, 
overshadowing the report itself.

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I'm not sure if I would have had
that confrontation with him. 

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I mean, OK, maybe what happened 
here wasn't correct, but he 

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could have probably went about 
this in a way, could have went 

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on a podcast, could have 
explained to somebody and said, 

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look, I gave this to the aid and
you know, this is what happened.

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The people in the community I 
think are going to respect that.

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But making it this aid, who 
knows what she's going to say to

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Mace. 
I mean, unless, unless he should

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have probably had a lawyer with 
him. 

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I mean, honestly, if I had 
something like this that 

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involved information that may 
given to me, given to me by a 

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whistleblower, which myself, I 
would never do that. 

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But if I was in Jeremy's 
position and having done that, I

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would, I would have involved 
legal counsel for sure. 

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And then we could have had 
everything documented so that 

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maybe that report hadn't been 
subtracted from or added to 

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along the way to somehow 
implicate me and spreading state

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secrets or whatever. 
So to me, that's risky, just 

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handing off this paper, hey, 
somebody gave me this and giving

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it to an aide. 
I've never, ever, ever do that. 

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Definitely would want to have at
least at least one good lawyer 

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involved and then you could 
document this or or even use his

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state representative or whoever.
But yeah, you start handing 

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stuff off to AIDS in the hallway
somewhere. 

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This is the kind of stuff that 
happens. 

457
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,400
So anyway, it goes on and says 
in response to the perceived 

458
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,280
slight, Korbel recorded an 
emotional outburst where he 

459
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,880
expressed anger over not being 
credited for the report. 

460
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,720
Look, if this thing goes 
sideways, not being credited for

461
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,920
that report might be the best 
thing they could have ever done 

462
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,200
for him. 
So, yeah, I don't know. 

463
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080
Instead of addressing the 
situation privately, Korbel 

464
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,040
chose to include this footage in
the premiere episode of UFO 

465
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,720
Revolution Season 2, shifting 
the focus of the show from UAP 

466
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,600
disclosure to his personal 
feelings. 

467
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:55,600
That is something I would not 
have done. 

468
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,920
The payoff might be there in the
beginning, but now you're going 

469
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,120
to anger this Rep. 
And she's real popular. 

470
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,200
She could be in there for the 
next 20 years. 

471
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,240
And who knows who she's 
connected to. 

472
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,160
So I, I don't see any. 
I don't see anything good coming

473
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,360
of that. 
I think I would have personally 

474
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,080
just have maybe had a private 
conversation about it, but kind 

475
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,120
of let it slide and hoping that 
eventually she would become 

476
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:25,240
aware that, hey, this actually 
this is this came from me and 

477
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,760
maybe you guys could build on 
that relationship down the road 

478
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,000
handling it this way. 
Man, you're burning some 

479
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,160
bridges. 
Burning bridges, I suppose, is 

480
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,760
fine. 
Like if he'd been falsely 

481
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,640
accused of something, it was 
some terrible crime. 

482
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,160
But like not getting credit for 
something, that's not something 

483
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,880
that's worth burning bridges 
for, from my perspective. 

484
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,560
But that's just me. 
This decision highlights 

485
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,400
Korbel's recurring pattern of 
making himself the center of 

486
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,440
attention in his work while his 
passion is evident. 

487
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,120
Such behavior detracts from the 
seriousness of the topic he 

488
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,360
covers, potentially damaging his
credibility and the broader 

489
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,640
reputation of UFO research. 
Corbell's actions in this 

490
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,080
incident reflect poorly on his 
professionalism and objectivity.

491
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480
By prioritizing personal 
recognition and broadcasting his

492
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,800
frustration, he risk alienating 
colleagues, audiences, and even 

493
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,360
policy makers who might 
otherwise engage with his work. 

494
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,240
This pattern of self promotion 
has been a reoccurring critique 

495
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
throughout his career, with 
critics arguing that his 

496
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,240
approach often sensationalizes 
the subject matter rather than 

497
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,560
advancing it with rigor and 
credibility. 

498
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,120
The timing of his controversy is
particularly unfortunate, as UAP

499
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,160
research is gaining 
unprecedented attention. 

500
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,800
Recent congressional hearings, 
whistleblower testimonies, and 

501
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,440
media coverage have created a 
unique opportunity for serious 

502
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,320
discussions about Uaps and 
government transparency. 

503
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,120
However, incidents like Korbel's
outburst threatened to undermine

504
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:53,720
this momentum by reinforcing 
stereotypes of UFO researchers 

505
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,640
as unprofessional and ego 
driven. 

506
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,240
The confusion surrounding the 
Immaculate Constellation report 

507
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,800
also raises concerns about the 
handling of critical 

508
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,800
information. 
If key figures in the field 

509
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,360
appear disorganized or 
self-serving, it diminishes 

510
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,400
public trust and distracts from 
the ultimate goal of disclosure.

511
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,920
It's a very, very good of 
assessment of the chain of 

512
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,840
custody's importance here, I 
believe goes on and says Jeremy 

513
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,640
Korbel's contributions to UFO 
research are significant, but 

514
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,120
his tendency to focus on himself
continues to undermine his 

515
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,800
credibility. 
The Immaculate Constellation 

516
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,720
controversy is a stark reminder 
of how personal disputes and 

517
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,240
public outbursts can detract 
from the larger mission of UFO 

518
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,280
disclosure. 
For the field to gain 

519
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,560
legitimacy, its leading figures 
must prioritize collaboration, 

520
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,880
transparency, and 
professionalism over personal 

521
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,720
validation. 
Without this shift, incidents 

522
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,680
like Corbell's outburst risk 
stalling the progress made in 

523
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,600
bringing UAP research into the 
mainstream. 

524
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Man, that was really a well 
written article. 

525
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,800
I got to give it up. 
They don't have the person's 

526
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,920
name written here anywhere. 
It's crazy. 

527
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,280
It's great writing. 
I'm not seeing an author 

528
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,280
anywhere. 
It's just got the. 

529
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,880
It's got the website 
paranormalinsight.co.uk. 

530
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,240
Very, very well written. 
Yeah. 

531
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,240
So maybe this is what she's 
going to talk about. 

532
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Maybe there's something about 
coming out about this Immaculate

533
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520
constellation. 
If it does come out. 

534
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,840
I'm just hoping that Jeremy 
doesn't get so upset that he has

535
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,880
an explosion on Twitter or 
YouTube or something. 

536
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,840
And, and basically blots out any
cool stuff that she releases. 

537
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
I don't know that this is what 
you run into. 

538
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,000
I mean, you've got politics of 
the federal kind, politics of 

539
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,840
the personal kind. 
But the most important part of 

540
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,600
this whole thing, I think, is 
just getting any little bit of 

541
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,400
knowledge that we can out there 
to where we can all examine it 

542
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,320
and have a good long look at it.
Until next time. 

543
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,520
This is UFO warning over and 
out.

