1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,880 In this episode, we're talking about the 1990 Scottish UFO 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,600 Incident. That's correct, the 1990 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,240 Scottish UFO incident. This is a wild one. 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,920 There's some pictures released. You probably remember the most 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,040 famous one of this giant flying saucer, kind of triangle shaped 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,720 on the top and bottom with the military craft behind it. 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,560 There's been a lot of weird stuff with this case, stuff not 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,320 being released that should have been released, trying to even 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,960 find out who the actors involved or and some of the witnesses 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,320 seeming to be afraid to come forward. 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,960 Now I'm going to get into that in just a second. 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,000 I just want to point out that a lot of people have been asking 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,680 for visual content. So I just threw together like a 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,400 little 2 minute video yesterday and put it on the podcast link 16 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,120 and it did get a lot of views, but it seemed to create some 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,520 confusion I guess for people were looking for the long form 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,800 podcast, which I did do one of those yesterday. 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,120 So probably what I'll have to do at some point is maybe set up a 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,720 second UFO warning channel just for video maybe because it seems 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,000 like people do like it, but I need to kind of keep it separate 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,520 so folks know what they're getting in for. 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,760 I've tried to use YouTube a little bit, but did just. 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,960 I can't get any views over there. 25 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,120 It's not even worth the time really. 26 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,000 But I'll keep you posted on that and you can leave comments. 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,400 I'm not even sure you know which subscribers are able to get the 28 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:25,560 video content on Spotify, so if you're not able to get that, let 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,960 me know and we'll try to figure out if it's even worth doing 30 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,640 that or not. Now, this article here is from 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,000 dailymail.co.uk. The title says, and it's quite a 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,840 long title actually. 2 British friends took this UFO picture, 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,000 then vanished after a visit from sinister men and dark suits. 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,720 Breaking his silence after 34 years, their old colleague now 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,960 reveals what happened and says they were not meant to see it. 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,640 Written by Doctor David Clark. Now the article does get a 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,720 little bit dense at times, but we'll get through it. 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,040 A dark, stormy night in the town of Pitler Cree in the Scottish 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,520 Highlands. The August heat wave had finally 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,200 broken with the spectacle with the spectacle of Thunder, 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,240 lightning and torrents of rain. And outside the back door of a 42 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Town Center hotel, a group of young chefs gathered to cool off 43 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,320 after a hot night in the kitchen. 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,360 Usually there'd be Banner of the Body kind cigarettes and a 45 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,440 bottle passed around. But tonight was different. 46 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,960 Two of the group were discussing animatedly an incident they'd 47 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,200 witnessed a few nights earlier. At about 9:00 PM, while walking 48 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,840 high in the Glens and Calvine on the edge of Cairngorms, they'd 49 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,680 seen something that had scared them out of their wits. 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,200 A huge solid diamond shaped object about 100 feet long, 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,080 hovering silently in the sky over their heads. 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,280 Now August and Scotland, probably still pretty light. 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,400 At 9:00 it could have been seen from The X-Files or Men in 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,400 Black, but this was rural Scotland. 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,560 Luckily they'd had a camera with them and managed to capture some 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,640 images as a coward in the bushes. 57 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,240 They'd taken these to the Daily Record, Scotland's largest 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,360 circulation newspaper. Of course, this would have been 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,880 pretty much pre Internet, maybe the Internet had just kind of 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,960 was at the very beginning stages, but nothing anybody 61 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,160 would have really paid attention to. 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,040 On a dark stormy night in Scotland, a group of young chefs 63 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,000 saw a huge solid diamond shaped object about 100 foot long 64 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,800 hovering silently in the sky over the heads. 65 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,840 And then that's the caption. It has a picture. 66 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,880 You can look at the picture I'll post over at Kofi. 67 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,080 Just a beautiful shot of this to me, a flying saucer with kind of 68 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,320 the diamond on the top and on the bottom, and then this 69 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,520 military aircraft behind. Really something. 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,520 It says the young men were excited and terrified in equal 71 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,320 measure. This was dynamite. 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,520 Had they seen a UFO? Were they going to be rich and 73 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,840 famous? Was Earth about to be invaded? 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Well, they obviously seen the UFO because this thing's flying 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,720 and it's an object and it's unidentified. 76 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,600 That's not hard to figure out. Going to be rich and famous. 77 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,800 I don't know why that's so much. And was the Earth to be invaded? 78 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Well, they haven't invaded yet, or maybe they already have. 79 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,080 We don't know it. As they chatted, a dark car 80 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,480 pulled up outside the hotel and two mysterious figures dressed 81 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,400 in black suits. He emerged from the back seat. 82 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,320 They called to the two chefs by name. 83 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,920 Quote cigarette breaks over. One of them barked to the rest 84 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,519 of the group. If you go and mind your 85 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,360 business. The pair were then let off 86 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,520 somewhere for a chat. My advice is don't get in the 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,760 car. Two very different young men 88 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,800 were on breakfast duty the next morning as one of the original 89 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,080 members of the group retired, Retired chef Richard Grieve 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,000 tells me today. So they finally come up with 91 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,920 this guy who said he was there. Hey, two guys show up, two men 92 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,400 in black, as they say, get in the car, kids. 93 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,440 My advice? Down 911. 94 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,680 Breaking his silence after 34 years, Richard, now 55, spoke 95 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,680 exclusively to the Mail to describe what happened that 96 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,840 mysterious night in 1990. The pair were visibly shaken by 97 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,600 whatever was said to them, he remembers, though they refused 98 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,280 to divulge specifics, saying only that the men were from the 99 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Royal Navy. Not long after that, it all went 100 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,160 a bit hush hush and they started talking about being followed 101 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,400 around pit Curry. Their demeanor changed. 102 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,520 They stopped showing up for work, went off the rails, and 103 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,320 one began drinking heavy. He was sacked soon afterwards. 104 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,280 The other was usually outgoing and larger than life, became 105 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:21,200 introverted and sullen. Within a few months of the visit 106 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,120 from the men in the car, they both left the hotel. 107 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,040 I haven't seen them since yet. Names would be really nice at 108 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,440 this point, but we're not getting that. 109 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,600 Whatever it was, they knew they were not meant to see it. 110 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,360 They never really talked about it, but one of them said it was 111 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,760 the Americans and it was a boogeyman. 112 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,160 Drones. Even back then, I suppose they 113 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,200 didn't have drones so much. So yes, they had to blame the 114 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,280 Americans. As an investigative journalist, 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,920 university lecturer and committed ufologist, the Calvine 116 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,640 incident, plus the province and whereabouts of the photographs 117 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,640 the chefs took that night have fascinated me for more than 15 118 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,120 years. It's got a picture of this 119 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,200 fellow here. Richard Graves is now 55, 120 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,040 standing there, and he's overcoating the cane. 121 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Much older now, it says. My pursuit of the truth has seen 122 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,040 me follow a trail of evidence from the Highlands and Scotland 123 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,720 to the highest and most secretive echelons of the US 124 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,280 Pentagon. I first stumbled upon the story 125 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:21,800 when the MOD disbanded its UFO desk in 2009 and released 126 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,760 thousands of files. There, among some laughable 127 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,560 accounts of encounters with weather balloons and seagulls, I 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,440 found the heavily weeded Calvin File Calvin file, containing a 129 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,880 poorly photocopied image of the chef's pictures. 130 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,960 After years of dogged sleuthing among along with fellow experts 131 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,640 and enthusiasts, I finally tracked down the original image 132 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,120 to the home of a retired RAF press officer, Greg Lindsay, 133 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,320 who'd kept it hidden on a bookshelf for 32 years. 134 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,680 See, so when they're telling you that they have to put all this 135 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,960 stuff in top secret, you know, classification because of 136 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 national security, this is the kind of stuff that's actually 137 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,040 happening. I think some employee there in 138 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,200 the bowels of one of these deep state OPS just says, hey, that's 139 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,120 a cool picture. I think I'll take it home and 140 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,040 just hang on to it for 30 or 40 years. 141 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Wow. When we spoke in 2022, Craig, 142 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,120 then in his 80s and still living in Scotland, confessed. 143 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,120 I have been waiting for someone to contact me about this for 144 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,000 more than 30 years since it was publicly. 145 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,360 Since it was published exclusively in the Daily Mail 146 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,520 that year, the Calvine picture has become one of the most 147 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,880 talked about and so far unexplained UFO photographs in 148 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,120 the world. Millions viewed it online and 149 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Calvine UFO trended on Twitter. Well, here we have another case 150 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,000 of where someone takes a picture of something and then it all 151 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,240 just goes quiet and somehow the MOD ends up with the original 152 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,720 picture and it's just hidden away somewhere for 30 years and 153 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,960 then now you have a private paper just to publish it again. 154 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,160 You know, monetizing this stuff. Even today, almost two years 155 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,800 later, my inbox remains busy with requests for information 156 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,800 and new theories about the origin of the diamond shaped 157 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,920 object. Some believe it is an alien 158 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,640 craft intercepted by RAF jets as it cruised above the Scottish 159 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,520 Highlands. But this idea is rejected by 160 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,640 military personnel who asked for their names to be kept secret. 161 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 They point to prototype stealth technology developed by the 162 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,560 United States since the late 1970s. 163 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,080 That's just a a line of of, you know, the stuff that you walk 164 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,640 through in the cow pen. I mean, 1990, if you think that 165 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,560 the Americans had a had a craft like this that was flying at 166 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,760 that kind of a speed or however doing whatever it is. 167 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Yeah, please, please show me where it's at. 168 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,320 And notice how this guy does this appeal to authority thing? 169 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Military personnel, but I can't give their names. 170 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Well, so he's doing an appeal to authority, but then he won't 171 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,160 share their names with you. Yeah, just listen to me. 172 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,760 I'm the hero here. I'm the boss. 173 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,000 I know what's going on. Shut up. 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,640 Continue to eat grass. Sheep. 175 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,160 Hopeless Diamond. Hey. 176 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,200 Blue and Aurora have all been mentioned as code names for such 177 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,280 projects. The later the latter. 178 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,600 A mythical hypersonic spite plane was rumored to have 179 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,160 operated from a base in Scotland around the time the pictures 180 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,280 were taken. Well, there's a world of 181 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,720 difference between a spaceship, a flying saucer I'd say, and a 182 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,880 spy plane. One is not the other. 183 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,040 Others are equally convinced the photo must be a clever hoax 184 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,440 along the lines of a Bigfoot or the lock neck monster. 185 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,600 Well, you can see they're they're generalizing again. 186 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,720 But what is missing from my post bag is anything from the two 187 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,520 men. I really want to speak to the 188 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,960 photographer and his friend. And then it says it is very, it 189 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,000 is like they have vanished off the face of the earth, said 190 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Richard Grieve, who recalls alongside the two Who recalls 191 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,640 working alongside the two chefs in the kitchens at Fisher's 192 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,560 Hotel Piquery in the summer of 1990. 193 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,720 Although he can't remember the exact names of his colleagues, 194 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,760 the name Kevin Russell is written on the back of the black 195 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,440 and white print that Craig Lindsay managed to keep hold of. 196 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Craig said he remembered it being sent by Courier from the 197 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Daily Record to his office at the RAF Picture V Castle near 198 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,600 Denver. Malign, the newspaper told him 199 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,240 they were seeking a comment for use and their exclusive story. 200 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:10,840 Craig immediately faxed a copy of the print to the MODSUFO desk 201 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,040 in London. The Record also provided Craig 202 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,240 with a contact number at the Pittsburgh hotel for the men. 203 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,720 Sadly, Craig couldn't recall any more details about the witnesses 204 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,960 themselves, but he remembers their incredible story clearly. 205 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Well, I don't know if they could go back to the hotel and and go 206 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,360 through the employment records. Probably not. 207 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,360 I have a feeling that these, these chefs, as they call them, 208 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,560 probably more likely cooks or just itinerant workers that just 209 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,640 probably pass through wherever they were at. 210 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,720 And if these two men in black did show up, they may have 211 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,400 scared the living daylights out of these guys. 212 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,600 It's been what, 30-5 years now? 34 years? 213 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Who knows if they're even alive still. 214 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,400 It says they told him that is a coward in bushes. 215 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,240 They first heard and then saw a military Harrier jet fly down 216 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,520 the valley between beneath the UFO. 217 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,480 Then as they fired off shots on their camera, they saw this or 218 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,680 another jet return and circle around the object as if the 219 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:09,360 pilot was escorting it before departing. 220 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,480 Then the diamond, the diamond craft shot vertically into the 221 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,360 sky and vanished without making a sound. 222 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,000 That doesn't sound like it's escorting it to me. 223 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,680 OK, that sounds like it's investigating it. 224 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:23,800 You've got two different planes flying around this thing trying 225 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,680 to get up close to it, and then the thing just shoots offices 226 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,280 shot vertically into the sky. Now you're trying to say this is 227 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,480 some sort of a dirigible or spy plane by the US. 228 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:37,080 Since when is a spy? Since when has AUS had had a 229 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,440 flying saucer shaped spy plane that can shoot up into the air? 230 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,000 And it says it did this without making a sound. 231 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,560 Craig typed up a summary of their account and faxed it to 232 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,000 the MOD. He also arranged for the Record 233 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,080 to send the lads negatives to London. 234 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,680 Then he waited for the newspaper to publish this exclusive but no 235 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:57,360 story appeared. Craig says he was instructed to 236 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,960 leave it to London and for 32 years he did as he was told, but 237 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,160 not before stashing one picture in a copy of The Great Aircraft 238 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,480 of the World on his bookshelf. So I take this picture of this 239 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,160 UFO. It's never published, 240 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,800 apparently. They keep the, they have this, 241 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,120 they just kind of bury the story, they bury it at the MOD 242 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,560 and this fellow decides, well, might as well take this picture 243 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:22,080 home with me. Craig says he was instructed to 244 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,280 leave it to London and for 32 years he did as he was told, but 245 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,960 not before stashing one picture in a copy of Great Aircraft of 246 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,440 the World on his bookshelf. Wow. 247 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,360 For 18 months I have been working with a documentary film 248 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,800 crew to find the elusive Kevin Russell. 249 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,480 But despite worldwide publicity, no one has come forward to claim 250 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,040 ownership of the photograph. Undeterred, some colleagues and 251 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,680 I compiled a database of 140 Kevin Russell's, a frustratingly 252 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:51,440 common name who are of the correct age. 253 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,240 Some were born in Scotland and others live abroad. 254 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,560 The closest we got was a Kevin Russell who, according to the 255 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:01,560 electoral rule, was working as a hotel kitchen Porter half a mile 256 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:04,480 away from the at the time, but when approached, denied all 257 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,880 knowledge of the picture. I'm sure he's glad about you 258 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,280 guys outing him there. It would. 259 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,560 Well, it would. It could well be, of course, 260 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:14,360 that the photographer deliberately chose to obscure 261 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,080 his identity by putting a different name on the print. 262 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,440 Or it could be Kevin is still frightened and doesn't want to 263 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,960 come forward. Or it could be that someone just 264 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,040 wrote the name on there and it's got nothing to do with anything. 265 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,600 One thing this former colleague Richard Grieve is sure about, 266 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,440 however, is that both the young men were very scared after their 267 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,480 close encounter, both with the UFO and the men in the black 268 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,800 car. And he's sure they couldn't have 269 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,800 made-up the image as a hoax. During the tourist season in 270 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,560 Pickery, temps could work 16 hour shifts cooking for up to 271 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:48,760 150 hotel gifts. Guess there was no time for 272 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,920 hijinks. Soon after the photos were 273 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,360 developed, Richard said one took a bus to Glasgow to deliver them 274 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,200 to the Daily Record. Then the dark car arrived. 275 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,520 The chef's cryptic remark to Richard that it was the 276 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,840 Americans might explain why, despite many attempts, the MOD 277 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,040 stubbornly refuses to reveal what they know about these 278 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,160 baffling photographs. What you can see here, again, 279 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,520 this guy's connecting dots that just aren't necessarily there. 280 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,920 Officials say the negatives were returned to the newspaper, and 281 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,520 the only records that survive have been transferred to the 282 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,720 National Archives. Everything else has been 283 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,080 destroyed, including Craig's summary, the analysis of the 284 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,600 images by RAF and MOD specialist and the missing images. 285 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Yeah, that's convenient. Just make an analysis of this 286 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,480 UFO and then just just throw that away. 287 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,920 I find it difficult to believe this type of evidence could 288 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,000 would be destroyed as it was used to answer a parliamentary 289 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,680 question and to brief ministers at the time. 290 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,760 The late Labour MP from Doncaster, Martin Redmond, used 291 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,240 to take table used to table dozens of questions on UFO 292 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,760 sightings back in the 1990s, including a Callaway. 293 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,560 Also a government response was prepared in readiness for the 294 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,520 Record newspaper exclusive, which never appeared. 295 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,160 Wow. Yeah. 296 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,480 What kind of paper would just would just throw this away, act 297 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,440 like it doesn't even exist? Amazing. 298 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,480 These pictures are spectacular. Then it shows some images here 299 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:17,360 of the original picture with a with a with a fax copy and 300 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,880 another copy of it, it says. As for its authenticity, my 301 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,160 shuffled Holman University colleague photography special 302 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,440 Andrew Robertson, carried out a detailed analysis of the image 303 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,960 donated to the university by Craig Lindsay. 304 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,160 He saw no evidence that had been manipulated in any way. 305 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,000 So where are the other images and negatives? 306 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,040 What happened to Kevin Russell and his friend? 307 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,440 And what do the photographs actually show? 308 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,640 Well, we see what they show. They show a UFO being followed 309 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,600 by a military aircraft. Ever since the Calvin photo went 310 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,320 viral on social media, the Internet has been buzzing with 311 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,800 theories, some even more far fetched than the idea that 312 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,040 aliens had visited Calvin. Some claimed the triangular UFO 313 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,240 was actually the top of a mountain peeking out of the 314 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,320 Scottish mist and the Glen below, or even a Christmas tree 315 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,840 ornament suspended from a tree by fishing wire. 316 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,440 Yeah, sounds pretty, pretty credible. 317 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,240 But if the photographs were a prank, they fool the RAF, the 318 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,880 MOD and the Pentagon. The MOD file says scrutiny of 319 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,240 one of the missing images revealed a second jet in the 320 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,400 distance, making a hoax even more improbable. 321 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,440 Indeed, the paper trail suggests the images were the subject of 322 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,720 at least three separate analysis by UK and U.S. government 323 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,720 agencies. Well the guy told you that there 324 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,560 were two airplanes involved. The Harrier have been hovering 325 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,800 around it and then another one that kind of came out of nowhere 326 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,720 and was observing it right before the same shot, straight 327 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,040 up in the air without making a noise. 328 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,040 It says the first was summarized in a briefing prepared for 329 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,920 Defense Minister Ken Carlisle in 1990. 330 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,360 It said experts were confident the jet in the photograph was a 331 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Harrier, even though none were known to be flying in Scotland 332 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,320 on that evening. You know, off the books. 333 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,560 And the minister was told experts had reached no definite 334 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,040 conclusion regarding the diamond shaped object. 335 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,120 The briefing warned that the MOD has been asked for comments, 336 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,880 almost certainly for inclusion in a forthcoming story. 337 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,680 But former Daily Record News editor Malcolm Speed cannot 338 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,680 explain why his paper did not publish their exclusive. 339 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,359 Speed remembers being shown the photographs by the picture 340 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,640 editor Andy Allen. It looked amazing when I it 341 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,400 looked amazing then I was surprised it was not published, 342 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,480 he said When I quizzed him about the photographs and he told me 343 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,760 the RAF, the RAF said they were fakes. 344 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,360 Well, why would you have to run it by the RAF first? 345 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,440 Just it just goes to show you the collusion between your 346 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,000 mainline media, the military establishment, and all the rest. 347 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,160 Andy Allen died in 2007, so it's impossible to ask for his 348 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,240 version of events. As Malcolm Speed says, was Andy 349 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,280 misled by the RAF? Even if they were fakes, why 350 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,600 weren't they published? It does not make any sense. 351 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,680 Well, it makes perfect sense if you're familiar with things like 352 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,880 Project Mockingbird with the CIA and just basically embeds 353 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,400 workers in these large news media organizations. 354 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,280 The, the, the Twitter papers. I think Jason Goodman's done 355 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,600 some good work on that, revealing how the how the deep 356 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,160 state agents control mass media. It's not a big secret. 357 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,120 When I first started following up leads on the photographs, I 358 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:20,920 was struck by the date of the sighting, August 4th, 1990. 359 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,600 And this was two days after Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait, 360 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,600 triggering the Gulf War. For the rest of that year, 361 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,000 thousands of military personnel and hundreds of ship and 362 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,120 warplanes, including futuristic American F117A stealth fighters 363 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,080 were mobilized in the build up to the aerial attack on Iraq 364 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,680 forces that began in January 1991. 365 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,800 See, he's thrown some he's, he's thrown a little bit of extra 366 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,800 stuff into the into the porridge is going to confuse you with 367 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,600 this all this nonsense about the Iraq war and how this must have 368 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,360 been some kind of a secret weapon from the US. 369 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,280 The aircraft had been in development for at least 15 370 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,560 years and some of the prototype designs, including one called 371 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,400 the Hopeless Diamond, resemble the craft photographed in 372 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,880 Scotland. This is just rubbish. 373 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 There's not an airplane in the world that can do what this 374 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,040 thing did, this large craft, maybe 7-8 times the size of a 375 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,880 normal airplane, just hovering there and then shooting straight 376 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,880 up into the sky, it says. Earlier this year, the US 377 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,480 government admitted it had flown prototype aircraft that resemble 378 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,720 alien craft, some of which have been seen and reported as UFOs. 379 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,120 The Pentagon said some of these systems had a saucer or 380 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:27,680 triangular shape appearance and were capable of hovering aloft 381 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,640 yet. Well, let's see it. 382 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,360 Let's just say it. So was the Calvin UFO one of 383 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,320 them, The American Department of Defense's All Domain Anomaly 384 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,320 Resolution Office, which has a mission from Congress to resolve 385 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:40,920 unexplained UFOs, released the first volume of its historic 386 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,360 investigation in in February. Oh, yeah, it was super 387 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:46,000 historical. All right, So this guy's 388 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,920 definitely on the side of the debunkers. 389 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,960 From from what I can tell, it says all the evidence about UFO 390 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,240 sightings points to misidentified, authentic, highly 391 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,720 sensitive national security programs. 392 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,480 This is just garbage. I mean, lots of people have seen 393 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,720 UFOs. I've seen, I've seen a UFO in 394 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,520 the middle of nowhere out in farm country, nothing but 395 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,840 thousands of acres of corn and soybeans and Prairie. 396 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,680 And I'm supposed to believe that they were out there doing that 397 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:17,200 because they're testing some sort of top secret UFO program 398 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,600 in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nowhere. 399 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,120 I've talked to so many people. I've seen these things in the 400 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:26,680 middle of nowhere, not even anywhere near a military base. 401 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,520 It would have been completely ludicrous for the US government 402 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,960 to be testing these things at low altitude 1020 feet off the 403 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,080 ground. I've talked about a friend of 404 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,200 mine's mother. She's passed away now years ago 405 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,200 in Michigan. Her and her daughter both sit 406 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,760 there and tell me very good Christian conservative people 407 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,600 tell me how they saw this giant UFO with flashing lights all 408 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,560 around it, land in the middle of a cornfield, middle of nowhere, 409 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,680 yes, the size of 1/2 the size of a football field, and just sat 410 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,160 there and watched it. However, if you feed off the 411 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,000 ground, had the same stories out of people I knew in Arkansas, 412 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,120 middle of nowhere, giant multi colored UFOs just hovering there 413 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,120 just off the ground. Yeah, I'm sure that's going to 414 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:07,640 be one of these experimental UFO. 415 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,840 I'm sure it's going to be one of these experimental US aircraft 416 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,800 just just testing out their bombing capabilities. 417 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,600 I mean, the idea that that all these UFOs that people are 418 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,560 seeing are some kind of top secret weapons program, that's 419 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,960 just nonsense. Goes on and says the 420 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,400 declassified version also refers to a sighting in the 1990s when 421 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,480 an unnamed military witness saw a UFO exhibiting a peculiar 422 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,320 flight pattern near AUS military facility, possibly Area 51, the 423 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,880 top secret military base in the Nevada desert where experimental 424 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,080 aircraft and weapons systems are thought to be reached. 425 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,000 They've got all these newfangled weapons. 426 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:46,200 Why are we spending two years in Ukraine? 427 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,320 That's what I would like to know. 428 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,840 The seemingly strange characteristics reported by the 429 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,720 interview matched closely with the platform's characteristics, 430 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,520 which was being tested at a military facility in the time 431 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,480 frame the interview was there, the report says. 432 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,800 Just more, more, more nonsense, more lies trying to produce this 433 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,120 parallel narrative 34 years later. 434 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,040 Arrow's investigators said knowledge of the of its 435 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,320 existence was restricted on a need to know basis to a very 436 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,400 small number of people. I wonder if Louie knew, could 437 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,680 this be what the chefs saw over Calvin? 438 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,840 Probably not, Probably not. So this is so is the truth still 439 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,360 out there hitting at Area 51 and Kevin Russell? 440 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:26,080 If you are reading the Daily Mail, please get in touch. 441 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,000 Whatever it was that you saw is no longer a secret. 442 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,640 Wow. There was some good information 443 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,120 on the article, but a lot of just this debunking nonsense. 444 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,600 So this guy's taking this really fascinating and dark story about 445 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,080 this UFO that was photographed over Scotland in 1990 and 446 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,080 somehow conflated it with the stuff going on in Area 51. 447 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,560 I mean, please, a total lack of actual investigation here. 448 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,040 OK. They looked up a bunch of Kevin 449 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,400 Russell's. Well, who even knows? 450 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,520 That could just be a rabbit trail for all we know. 451 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,520 I mean, maybe someone put that name on there just to confuse 452 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,760 people. What would be what should be 453 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,520 done is, is to go back and try to find some of those old timers 454 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,280 that were working back there at the hotel, put out a reward for 455 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,600 some of the people involved and hire private detective and maybe 456 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,480 you can track these guys down if they're still alive. 457 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,040 Overall, I think the main thing that this article teaches this 458 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,280 is the danger of reporting this stuff to the wrong people. 459 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,520 So if you got the pictures, post them online. 460 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,200 Let the world see them right away. 461 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Until next time. This is UFO warning over and 462 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,200 out.