1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,240 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,240 In this episode, we're talking about the Socorro Fireballs of 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,160 1949. That's correct, the Socorro 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:20,120 Fireballs of 1949. This whole story's been around 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,360 for a little while, but I bring this up because of this recent 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,000 document dump. This came out today. 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,160 More of this stuff in the Department of War. 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,280 I have to tell you, there's a lot of stuff mixed in with this 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,880 and I have to ask myself, why is it even classified? 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,920 I mean, it really is a dump and it's, there's so much volume 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,160 here that you literally have to go through file by file. 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,720 And I don't think I could even go through it if it wasn't for 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,360 AI going through and reviewing some of the stuff and sorting 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,720 out the wheat from the shaft. Now, the file we're looking at 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,200 is the second one on the Department of War UFO website. 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,680 You can go to yourself and look at it. 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,000 And I asked, I asked Grok to go ahead and do a little bit of a 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,720 summary of this thing. And it says Summary of the 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:14,160 DOWAPDO 17 General Correspondence of Sandia 1949. 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:21,320 This is a 116 page declassified collection of 1949 21 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:24,520 correspondence and reports primarily for Sandia Base, 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,200 Albuquerque, NM, and related military scientific personnel. 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,600 It focuses on security matters at sensitive nuclear related 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,160 facilities and investigations into the green of fireballs, an 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,960 unusual luminous phenomena frequently reported over New 26 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:48,040 Mexico in 1948 to 1949, especially near Los Alamos and 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,840 Sandia. Now. 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,120 It starts off with some routine conversation about some 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,480 maintenance work that needs to be done to prevent some erosion 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,520 at a site, and then it moves right into this next page, it 31 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 says. Main sections and topics base 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,840 security correspondence, airborne particle collections, 33 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,000 and fireball analysis. July through August 19451949. 34 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,520 The core scientific content involves attempts to link green 35 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,720 fireballs to physical evidence. After a prominent green fireball 36 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:32,920 sighting over Socora on July 24th, 1949, researchers, notably 37 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:37,440 Dr. William Crozier and Ben Seeley from the New Mexico 38 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,080 School of Mines used impactor collectors and it's air sampling 39 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,560 devices with adhesive slides treated to detect copper, nickel 40 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,600 and cobalt to collect airborne particles tells us key findings. 41 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,760 Early collections hours after the event showed unusually large 42 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,440 copper bearing particles up to 100 microns from solid slash 43 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,960 opaque, others granular. That seems a little weird to me 44 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,160 that you would have these fireballs show up, these green 45 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,640 fireballs, and then when they would test, you would have 46 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:14,320 copper. Well, you know, you associate 47 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,720 copper with the color green. Some nickel and cobalt 48 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,400 indications were found, including spherical particles, 49 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,800 which raised questions about possible meteoric origin. 50 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,920 And it says particle sizes and counts varied over days. 51 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,120 Smaller particles appeared later. 52 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,440 However, conclusions were cautious or inconclusive. 53 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,120 Many particles could be of local terrestrial origin, stirred up 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,160 by Rd. dust or from nearby buildings. 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,120 No definitive link in the fireball was established. 56 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,920 Well I guess it would have been nice if they would have got a 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,880 before and after, but you really couldn't do that because nobody 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,160 bothered to test till after they saw these fireballs. 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,280 It says these documents that they released sheriff and 60 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,280 department were includes tables or particle counts by size and 61 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,960 date, plus discussions of collection methods and 62 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,480 limitations. Basically, they just created a 63 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,680 scientific paper now. Broader contexts and 64 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,520 recommendations. References to Doctor Lincoln La 65 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,640 Paz Institute of Meteorites, University of New Mexico, in 66 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,560 coordination with military intelligence. 67 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,480 Suggestions for improved collection mentions a Project 68 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,160 grudge early USOUS Air Force UFO investigation. 69 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:23,640 Yeah, what an aptly named project there. 70 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,920 Project grudge. Well, they really held a grudge 71 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,360 because we were being forced to go out and investigate all these 72 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,400 wacky UFO claims, huh? And overall tone and 73 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,360 significance. It says the document reflects 74 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,320 early Cold War era concern over unexplained aerial phenomena 75 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,160 near key nuclear weapon sites. Sandia, Los Alamos scientist and 76 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,600 military personnel took the green fireballs seriously enough 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,480 to conduct physical sampling and lab analysis, but results 78 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,640 remained ambiguous. Typical of the era's UFO 79 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,600 investigations. No exotic conclusions were 80 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,040 reached. Emphasis was on rigorous 81 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,320 evidence based study. The PDF has OCR imperfections. 82 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,600 It says old type art text, but the content is coherent. 83 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:08,320 Yeah, thank you very much for doing that. 84 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:13,280 Chat, GP or Crock. I went over to Google, got a 85 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:17,480 little bit of AI on this because let's just face it, there's so 86 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,480 much stuff here, I could spend 20 hours trying to read it all 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,640 and I haven't got that kind of time. 88 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,800 And I don't suppose you do either. 89 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,840 This, says the 1949 Scirocco Fireball, is best remembered as 90 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:33,960 part of the infamous Green Fireballs phenomena, a wave of 91 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,680 highly unusual bright glowing aerial objects that frequently 92 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,120 streaked over the New York, the New Mexico's sensitive Cold War 93 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,280 nuclear installations. Well, here we are again seeing 94 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:51,320 this very, I guess, fascination these things seem to have with 95 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,560 nuclear installations. It says key details of the 96 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:59,160 sightings what happened starting in late 1948 and peaking heavily 97 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,160 through 1949, witnesses, including commercial and 98 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,720 military pilots reported brilliant, luminous green balls 99 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,920 of fire. Socorro Connection, a 100 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,600 declassified 1949 Sandia based document, detailed unusual 101 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,440 copper bearing airborne particles discovered after one 102 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,560 of the fireballs events near Socorro and military concern 103 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,040 because of the Because these green fireballs consistently 104 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,320 appeared over top secret facilities like Los Alamos 105 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,280 National Labs and the Sandia base, it caused major alarm. 106 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,200 The Air Force established an organized reporting system for 107 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,920 them, leading to a specialized military and scientific study 108 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,920 called Project Twinkle. But they love these names, don't 109 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,160 they? Project Twinkle Astronomer 110 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Lincoln La Paz Dr. Lincoln La Paz, A pioneering meteors at the 111 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,200 University of New Mexico who investigated the 1949 Socorro 112 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,640 events, pointed out that the flight path and behavior of 113 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,600 these fireballs were highly uncharacteristic of conventional 114 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,200 meteors. So you have the guy that's an 115 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,200 expert on meteors and he's saying, boy, these don't look 116 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,560 like meteors to me. The Soviet spy fear In early 117 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,360 1940, Army intelligence officials expressed deep concern 118 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,520 that these objects could be radiological warfare experiments 119 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,640 or guided missiles launched by a foreign power such as the USSR, 120 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,120 targeting US atomic installations. 121 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Yeah, the very same people who had to steal the nuclear weapons 122 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,800 technology from the United States. 123 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,640 Remember the Rosebergs? They're so advanced they're able 124 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,360 to ignite green fireballs over our nuclear facilities. 125 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,200 It seems kind of laughable, doesn't it? 126 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,640 Official conclusion. Ultimately, government 127 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,520 investigators like Project Twinkle were discontinued, and 128 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,800 the official stance was that the fireballs were likely rare 129 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:58,160 natural phenomena such as high copper meteors or atmospheric 130 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,080 anomalies. Well, nothing says swamp gas 131 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,120 like swamp gas, I guess. I mean clearly something very 132 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,920 strange happened there and the best they could do was just 133 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,240 write it off to a natural phenomena. 134 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Before I get into this project, twinkle a little bit, I just 135 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,680 want to remind people Socorro NM was famous for UFO sighting. 136 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:22,960 You might be thinking about that. 137 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:29,000 This was the Lonnie Zamora event and if we go to Google AI it 138 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,280 tells us a famous Socorro NM UFO event actually occurred on April 139 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,760 24th, 1964. So this is 15 years later rather 140 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,360 than 49. But local police officer Lonnie 141 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,520 Zamora witnessed an egg shaped craft land in the desert. 142 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,240 It left physical landing gear, indentations and burned brush 143 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,240 remaining officially unexplained by the Air Force. 144 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,440 Now remember Mr. Zamora, he never changed his story. 145 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,840 Up until his death, he always had the same consistent story. 146 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,200 While the major Sakura event took place in 1964, government 147 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,880 files, including records released by the Pentagon, show 148 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,200 that New Mexico experienced a massive wave of green fireball 149 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,760 phenomena and unidentified sightings in 1949. 150 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,280 This prompted physicists, astrophysicists and the FBI to 151 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,440 hold secret conferences in Los Alamos to investigate the 152 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,640 sightings. Now as far as this 1964 Sakura 153 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,960 incident, just the highlights of this. 154 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,160 We've talked about this on the podcast before, probably should 155 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,640 do another story. It says the sighting while 156 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,200 pursuing A speeding car, Officer Lonnie Zamora heard a roar and 157 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,080 saw a flame in the desert. He diverted to investigate and 158 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,400 found an egg shaped metallic craft on four legs. 159 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,160 The occupants, Zamora observed 2 figures and white coveralls near 160 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,960 the object. Here we go with the coveralls 161 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,640 again. We we hear about these coveralls 162 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,200 clear back into the 1800s when people were seeing these 163 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,320 airships, it says. Frightened by a sudden loud roar 164 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,760 and a blast of blue to orange flame, Zamora took cover. 165 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,480 When he looked back, the UFO was speeding away horizontally 166 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,480 across the desert floor. Is that weird? 167 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,640 So the police officer, he's chasing somebody, he looks over, 168 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:17,040 he sees this flame, whatever, not sure, pulls over, looks out 169 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,280 the desert, and here's this egg shaped craft, metallic craft 170 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,520 perched on 4 legs, sitting out there in the desert. 171 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,200 He gets out, has a look, sees 2 figures outside of this craft 172 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,760 wearing these white coveralls. White coveralls, Weird. 173 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,840 And then I was watching him. Apparently this loud blast 174 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,440 happens. A blue orange flame comes out of 175 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,680 the craft. It doesn't go U in the air like 176 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,000 you'd think. Instead it says it seeds away 177 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,240 horizontally across the desert floor. 178 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,040 That's strange, the physical evidence. 179 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,240 Investigating officers and scientists found wedge shaped 180 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,840 landing impressions in the soil and scorched brush. 181 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,400 I believe there's still pictures of those things around the 182 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Insignia. Zamora reported seeing a 183 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,520 distinct red Insignia on the side of the craft, which he 184 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,120 sketched for investigators. Yeah, that was quite strange. 185 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,960 This has got a lot of of of depth to the story. 186 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,600 Like I said, we'll have to come back to this. 187 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,080 Now getting back to this idea of this Project Twinkle, let's take 188 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,400 a look at that real quick. Project Twinkle, we're told, was 189 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,440 a short lived secret United States Air Force investigation 190 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,400 launched in 1950 to study a massive wave of mysterious green 191 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,640 fireballs reported over New Mexico. 192 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Operated by the Air Material Command in the Air Research and 193 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,560 Development Command, it served as a specialized sub project 194 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,480 under the broader military UFO investigation of Project Grudge. 195 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,800 Between late 1948 and 1950, military personnel, civilians, 196 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,360 and elite scientists working at the Los Alamos National 197 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,760 Laboratory witnessed over 150 incidents of strange bright 198 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,920 green lights in the sky. Does not seem odd to you that 199 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,360 this all happened right at this time where they're doing all 200 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,920 this research on nuclear energy, nuclear weapons. 201 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,000 Unlike typical meteorites, these objects flew on flat, horizontal 202 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,160 trajectories parallel to the Earth. 203 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,640 Just like the spaceship, that line Zamora saw flat, 204 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:30,840 horizontal, not up and down. They made absolutely no sound. 205 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,120 They never left impact craters or crashed to the ground. 206 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,680 Because these sites occurred directly over sensitive nuclear 207 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:41,680 weapons laboratories and military bases like Holman Air 208 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:44,960 Force Base, the government feared they might be secret 209 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,680 Soviet spy technology or reconnaissance flares, the 210 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,440 investigation method. Following a secret military 211 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,960 conference in Los Alamos in 1949, the Air Force established 212 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,240 Project Twinkle to capture hard data. 213 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,840 They hired Dr. Lincoln La Paz, A renowned meteor specialist, to 214 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,200 head their research. The plan was to set up 215 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,800 specialized 12 hour observation post equipped with Escania 216 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,280 Syntholidyte tracking cameras around Vaughan, New Mexico. 217 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,360 If two different posts photographed the same fireball 218 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,600 simultaneously, scientists could calculate the object's exact 219 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:28,680 speed, altitude, and size. Project Twinkle was never fully 220 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,600 implemented and was plagued by funding issues. 221 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,400 Huh. How amazing. 222 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:36,040 So they can talk about it all day long, but they can't provide 223 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,240 funding to figure out what these things are? 224 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Plagued by? Funding issues, equipment 225 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,160 delays, and bad luck. Ironically, as soon as the 226 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Systematic observation watch was established, the green fireball 227 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,320 sightings abruptly abruptly ceased in the area. 228 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,560 The cameras never managed to capture simultaneous, measurable 229 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,960 data of a fireball in action. Well, this is something we 230 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,600 certainly have heard before. The Air Force officially 231 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,880 discontinued Project Twinkle in late 1951. 232 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,320 The Project Twinkle final report concluded that the fireballs 233 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,920 were not a national security threat and were likely natural 234 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,400 phenomena such as atypical meteorites or atmospheric 235 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,920 electrical anomalies. However, Doctor La Paz and 236 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,600 several other scientists remain publicly unconvinced, 237 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,000 maintaining until their deaths that the fireball were 238 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,880 artificial and unexplained. Yeah, well, I mean, let's be 239 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,040 honest, How often do you hear about a fireball moving 240 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,520 horizontally across the the the desert landscape like that? 241 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,760 I mean, we've all seen meteorites. 242 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,480 They come down from the sky and sometimes they look like 243 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,880 they've, you know, landed nearby. 244 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,360 Usually they have it because if they have, they're going to make 245 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,160 quite an quite a lot of explosion. 246 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Yeah. Very wild stuff. 247 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,200 Now, I do want to give some credit to John Greenwald over at 248 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,320 the Black Fall, because he's, he's been on this story for a 249 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,080 while. That's kind of kind of a little 250 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,240 bit of an issue because a lot of the stuff's being brought up and 251 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,360 it kind of gives the appearance of, you know, this is all brand 252 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,920 new information, really. It's not. 253 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,920 And that's kind of the problem. It's like John Greenwald has 254 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,280 been spending decades, I think by now putting in FOIA request 255 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,040 for this stuff. And lots of times he gets out, 256 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,120 he gets back blacked out pages of stuff. 257 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,880 If they want real disclosure, just give John the documents he 258 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,120 asked for, but quit blacking them out. 259 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,280 And so I want to look at this article right here because he 260 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,640 does deserve some credit in this. 261 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,520 It's it. The articles is by lanl.gov. 262 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,520 It says lost. This is a lost Alamos 263 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,520 publication. Queries. 264 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,120 Queries from the public can sometimes be otherworldly. 265 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,760 Laura McGinnis, Librarian, National Security Research 266 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,200 Center. It almost feels like they're 267 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,680 trying to get ahead of head of him a little bit on this on this 268 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,680 subject. This is written, I believe, 269 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:59,360 what, back in 2018 or something. I don't see a date here on the 270 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,880 article itself. Did you know that a conference 271 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,280 was organized at the lab in 1949 to discuss green fireballs 272 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,920 reportedly observed above Los Alamos? 273 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,200 Were it not for the Freedom of Information Act, the lab 274 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,280 scientific probes into these mystery sites might have been 275 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,600 lost to time. So the concern I have right, you 276 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,760 see right there is that a lot of this stuff's already been 277 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,800 released to John through FOIA request and now they're 278 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,880 releasing it on the on the Department of War website. 279 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,440 Almost like they're pretending like this is all brand new stuff 280 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,320 and it's not. So I'm a little concerned about 281 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,840 this document dump. Are we getting really new 282 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,560 relevant stuff or it's just maybe stop there re releasing it 283 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,480 with a few less lines blacked out? 284 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,360 I don't know. Signed into law in 1967, FOIA 285 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,160 gives any person the right to access records kept by federal 286 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,280 agencies so they can better understand the US government's 287 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,240 operations and activities. Well, I really have questions 288 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,760 about that statement. Agencies are required to 289 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,320 disclose information requested under FOIA unless that 290 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,600 information falls under one or more of nine exemptions 291 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,440 protecting interest such as personal privacy, national 292 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,960 security, and law enforcement. Yet often times we see these 293 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,560 these pages released and they're just completely blacked out. 294 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,200 Often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about 295 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,920 the government, FOIA is a vital part of the US democracy. 296 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,319 Again, I really question that statement. 297 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,240 The Laboratories FOIA program fields over 100 requests for 298 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,480 records each year as the labs classified research and 299 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,680 technical library dedicated to information stewardship and 300 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,440 education. The National Security Research 301 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,480 Center regularly assists with these requests, close to half of 302 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,120 the yearly volume. Yeah, in a perfect world, maybe 303 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,000 fulfilling FOIA request is an important part of what we do 304 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,080 here, said NSRC Senior Archivist Daniel Alcazar. 305 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,240 It's critical to our mission to ensure the public has access to 306 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,280 information it has a right to see. 307 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,520 Public queries over a spectrum of topics that most involve 308 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,040 requests for Manhattan Project era technical reports and member 309 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,440 and Los Animals produced historical and scientific films 310 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,360 were documents pertaining to former employees. 311 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,880 While less common, Alcozar estimates that he also receives 312 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,960 a few FOIA requests every year related to unidentified flying 313 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,080 objects and other unexplained aerial phenomena. 314 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,880 I bet it's a few more than that. Project Twinkle. 315 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,160 A mysterious hypothesis. Oh boy. 316 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Over the years, general FOIA request about UFO studies at the 317 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,240 lab have led to some fascinating vines. 318 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,880 One such example is the rediscovery of archive materials 319 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,160 related to the evening of December 5th, 1948, when 320 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,440 witnesses reported a green fireballs across the sky over 321 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Los Alamos. The fireballs appeared several 322 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,520 times over the next three months, flying noiselessly and 323 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,760 just with an eyesight of residence on the Mesa. 324 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,200 Yeah, I read somewhere where it was like 209 different 325 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,680 sightings. Similar phenomena were reported 326 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,200 near the Hanford Site, a now decommissioned plutonium 327 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,520 production complex in Washington state, and within 400 miles of 328 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,880 Oakridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, another site of 329 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,800 nuclear fuel production during the Manhattan Project. 330 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,760 So whatever's going on with that nuclear fuel production has got 331 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,520 these things interested. The number of sightings of these 332 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,160 phenomena and their proximity to sensitive facilities were of 333 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,240 concern to the US government. Could the fireballs be a threat 334 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,520 to national security? In response, a conference was 335 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,800 organized at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, the labs 336 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,440 post war name, on February 16th, 1949, to discuss the strange 337 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,720 phenomena. The conference was attended by 338 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,400 scientists such as then Laboratory Director Norris 339 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,160 Bradbury and physicist Frederick Ryan's and Edward Teller. 340 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,720 That's the atomic bomb guy, as well as members of the FBI, the 341 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,040 Atomic Energy Commission, the precursor to today's Department 342 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,400 of Energy, and the US military. Also attendance was Lincoln La 343 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,240 Paz, head of the University of New Mexico's Institute of 344 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,880 Meteoritics and first hand observer of the green fireballs. 345 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,960 The NSRC collections contain the conference minutes. 346 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,800 While the minutes attest that Antindees were skeptical of 347 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,480 attributing unexplained aerial phenomena, the extraterrestrial 348 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,960 activity participants from the Army confirmed that the 349 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,400 fireballs had been classified alongside Flying Disk within 350 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:16,280 Project Grudge. 1948 to 1949, one of three consecutive US Air 351 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Force studies have reported UFO sightings. 352 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,440 The others were Project Sign 47 to 48 and later Project Blue 353 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,720 Book 52 to 69. After further discussion, the 354 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,000 notion that green fireballs were a significant national security 355 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,080 threat was ultimately dismissed, as were hypothesis involving 356 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,960 meteorites, Aurora borealis, and weather balloons. 357 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,360 And in other words, they're telling you we just don't know 358 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:41,360 what these things are. However, the 1949 Los Alamos 359 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,120 Conference was the beginning of a study called Project Twinkle 360 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,080 that aimed to capture further data on the fireball sightings 361 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,760 through a network of observation, post and 362 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,440 photographic units. Project Twinkle was never fully 363 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,360 implemented and was discontinued after two years with the 364 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:01,440 official conclusion that the green fireballs were likely 365 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,480 natural origin. Now they concluded they were 366 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,600 natural origin, but they just didn't know how. 367 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,800 The NSRC does not appear to have material salon Project Twinkle, 368 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,920 although not all the millions of items housed in this collection 369 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,200 are easily searchable yet. How long we had the Internet? 370 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,960 2530 years and they still can't scan these things so we can 371 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,160 search them. Forgotten pieces of history are 372 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,800 being rediscovered all the time in the ongoing process of 373 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,760 digitation and cataloguing. Whether a four year request 374 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,440 unearths one of these treasures often depends on how effectively 375 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,440 the submitted keywords direct the archive search. 376 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,720 Now I have to call complete BS on this. 377 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,640 I've seen requests that that Greenwald's made and still 378 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,400 nothing. Crickets, silence or blocked out 379 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,400 pages. So you can see here. 380 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,840 This is this to me is a government employees getting 381 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,920 ahead of the game a little bit. If terms provided by a requester 382 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,640 are overly specific, even irrelevant materials could 383 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,480 remain undiscovered. In cases where a query is too 384 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,800 broad in scope or does not indicate a specific date range, 385 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,440 the LABS FOIA team may suggest the National Nuclear Security 386 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Administration, which funnels the information request to the 387 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Lab ask the sender to narrow the topic of trying frame. 388 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,760 Once more specific perimeters are established, the search for 389 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,560 responsive materials can begin. Keyword searches can also be 390 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,040 hindered by natural evolution of language. 391 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,120 Now it just continues on with this word salad. 392 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,520 That's what I'm going to call. This is just a giant word salad. 393 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,720 This is why we can't tell you what you're asking us about. 394 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,400 I don't know. I guess I want to go ahead and 395 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,400 just look at this article because see, we're, we're being 396 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,040 told the stuff that's released today is it's being applied that 397 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,320 it's all brand new information. But what I'm seeing is a lot of 398 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,680 the stuff that they're releasing to us in these document dumps, a 399 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,200 lot of it is stuff that's already been referred to already 400 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,360 been partially released. It's kind of along the edges, 401 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,440 along the fringes of what's of what actually what we need to 402 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240 see. And, and I still have not been 403 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,280 hearing anything about the Black Vault getting the documents that 404 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,240 they already have, but getting the versions that are not 405 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,800 blacked out. Now I want to finish up with 406 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,640 this last article from the from the Daily Mail. 407 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:24,640 I really hope to be able to find some contemporaneous newspaper 408 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,480 articles from the time, but everything I came across is 409 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,880 behind a pay wall and it's almost like they really want to 410 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,800 keep the stuff, you know, the original witness accounts out of 411 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,400 our hands, that's for sure. This article here though, is 412 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,800 just today, May 22nd, 2026. It says UFO files reveal 413 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,840 hundreds of sightings over America's nuclear weapons 414 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,760 headquarters, from glowing green orbs to flying disc. 415 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,880 Written by Stacy Liberatory, US Science and Technology Editor 416 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,240 The Trump administration's second wave of UFO disclosures 417 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,240 has revealed a chilling series of mysterious sightings near 418 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,480 America's principal nuclear weapons installation during the 419 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,600 earliest years of the Cold War. Newly released documents tied to 420 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,520 Sandy, a base in Albuquerque, NM, headquarters of the Armed 421 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,240 Forces Special Weapons Project, the military successor to the 422 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,920 Manhattan Project, detail at least 209 reports of unexplained 423 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,360 aerial phenomena between December 1948 and May 1950. 424 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,840 Now, they keep saying this stuff is new, but I just read you the 425 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,120 article from 2000, I think it was 18 talking about this stuff. 426 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,800 So a lot of this stuff has kind of been regurgitated. 427 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,560 The files describe bizarre green fireballs, glowing disk and 428 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,800 unidentified objects streaking across the skies near sensitive 429 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,600 atomic facilities as intelligence officers scrambled 430 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,120 to determine whether the incidents posed a national 431 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,040 security threat. One report warned that the 432 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,240 frequency of the sightings had become so alarming that military 433 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760 and government intelligence agencies agreed an organized 434 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,600 plan of reporting these observations should be 435 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,720 undertaken. Scientists and military 436 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,600 investigators were so disturbed by the incidents that they 437 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,040 launched airborne particle collection emissions in the 438 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,280 hopes of discovering physical evidence connected to the 439 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,600 mysterious objects. The documents reveal that 440 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,240 investigators detected unusual copper bearing particles in the 441 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,080 airborne dust samples after one fiery object exploded over New 442 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Mexico in July 1949. Now, I'm not sure, she says 443 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,640 exploded here because and the other writings, we were told 444 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,640 they didn't explode. They just kind of pass through. 445 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,320 Researchers even debated whether the strange material drifting 446 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,360 through the atmosphere could have originated from the 447 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,400 unidentified fireballs seen over the desert skies. 448 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,840 In one extraordinary passage, investigators admitted that if 449 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,240 copper particles truly came from the glowing objects, then the 450 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,120 fireballs are not conventional meteorites. 451 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,120 Well, I'm pretty sure they're not if these things are moving 452 00:25:56,120 --> 00:26:00,080 sideways horizontally, goes on and says the bombshell records 453 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,400 were part of the latest UFO document released published by 454 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,040 the Department of Work as part of President Donald Trump's 455 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,160 disclosure initiative involving unidentified aerial Phenomena, 456 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,800 also known as Uaps. Among the most striking files 457 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,440 was a May 19/25/1950 intelligence summary from the 458 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,720 Air Force Special Investigations describing repeated sightings 459 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,720 across New Mexico during a period when Sandia Base served 460 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,200 as one of the nation's most sensitive nuclear weapons hubs. 461 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,000 The report explained that military and intelligence 462 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,920 officials became increasingly alarmed after waves of 463 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,960 unexplained aerial sightings begin appearing near atomic 464 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,280 research and weapons facilities. Their frequency of the 465 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,400 unexplained aerial phenomena in the New Mexico area was such 466 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,240 that an organized plan of reporting these observations 467 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,720 should be undertaken. The report stated Sandia Base 468 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000 handled military aspects of America's nuclear weapons 469 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,000 programs following World War 2. The newly released files 470 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,560 repeatedly referenced Sandia Base's connection to spatial 471 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,800 weapons operations and inspections tied to Strategic 472 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,560 Air Command nuclear facilities. The several reports focused on 473 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,160 mysterious green fireballs repeatedly observed over New 474 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,680 Mexico during 1949. The detailed scientific 475 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,360 investigation, dated August 10th, 1949, outlined attempts by 476 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,680 researchers at the New Mexico School of Mines to collect 477 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,120 airborne particles associated with the fireball seen over 478 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,280 Socora, New Mexico on July 24th, 1949. 479 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,920 Investigators used special equipment capable of collecting 480 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,760 microscopic airborne material in the hope that debris from the 481 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,120 unexplained object might still be floating in the atmosphere. 482 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,920 I don't know. It seems kind of like a stretch 483 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,840 to me. Goes on down and says. 484 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,640 According to the report, researchers found a large number 485 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,800 of copper bearing particles in one collection sample taken 486 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,200 along Hwy. 84 N of 66. Now it doesn't say that came out 487 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,800 of the dirt if it came out of the air, really. 488 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,360 Scientists described materials unfamiliar granular particles, 489 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,960 some measuring up to 30 microns across, while others appeared as 490 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,040 opaque solid fragments. Another report noted that 491 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,360 investigators found remarkable spherical particles showing 492 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,480 strong cobalt indications, with some particles described as 493 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,880 perfect spheres roughly 12 microns in diameter. 494 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:30,880 This reminds me of that search the Avi Loeb and Charles 495 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,760 Hoskinson's financed down there in Papa Noguini where they 496 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,680 recovered that stuff at. They're talking about these 497 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,480 Spears. They recovered tiny little 498 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760 spheres on the ocean floor where they thought that some kind of a 499 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720 UFO had had had crashed into the ocean there. 500 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,400 The documents repeatedly stressed the uncertainty 501 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480 surrounding the strange material quote. 502 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,920 It seems very hazardous to draw any definite conclusion 503 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800 associated associating the copper bearing particles 504 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,920 collected with the fireball. One report caution. 505 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,560 Still, the reports acknowledge that the possibility could not 506 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,280 be dismissed. One intelligence memo stated 507 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,680 that if future studies prove the particles were truly falling 508 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,600 from the green fireballs, then the objects could not be 509 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,120 explained as ordinary meteorites because copper was one of the 510 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200 rarest of the elements found in meteorites. 511 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,560 Well, that makes sense. I mean, if you don't have copper 512 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,200 meteorites, but still the green collar. 513 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680 The files also reveal that investigators consider deploying 514 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,080 high altitude aircraft above 40,000 feet to intercept 515 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,120 material falling for the mysterious objects Shortly after 516 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,320 settings occurred. Researchers believed rapid 517 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,800 response airborne missions could potentially capture particles 518 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,560 directly from the objects atmospheric trails before 519 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,320 contamination from terrestrial dust occurred. 520 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,880 One memo described plans for aircraft to fly through the 521 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,760 exact atmospheric region beneath the Objects of Light Pass as 522 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,320 soon as possible after the occurrence of future incidents. 523 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,560 The newly released files stop short of concluding the objects 524 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,520 were extraterrestrial, but they make clear that Cold War 525 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,840 military and scientific officials view the incidents 526 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,480 seriously enough to involve intelligence agencies, meteor 527 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,800 specialist and classified weapons personnel. 528 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,760 The disclosures are likely to intensify long running 529 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,320 speculation surrounding Sandia Base and New Mexico's so-called 530 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,680 nuclear triangle, where UFO sightings have been repeatedly 531 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,440 linked to America's nuclear weapons infrastructure for 532 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,080 decades. Wow. 533 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,520 Well really cool stuff overall. Like I said, I'm glad this 534 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,240 stuff's being released. I'm not sure how much of its new 535 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,640 new and how much of its just kind of new looking at it from 536 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,120 this new perspective. Hopefully we'll keep seeing more 537 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,160 stuff and I'll keep you updated on what's going on with the 538 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,640 Department of War UFO document dump. 539 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000 Hey, if you'd like to program, don't forget to hit like follow, 540 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,360 subscribe. Doesn't cost a time. 541 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,040 Until next time. This is UFO warning over and 542 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:57,280 out.