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You have a warning, today's topic 1959 and it laughs pass
incident. That's correct.
We're talking about the 1959, did it?
Laughs pass incident. If you're not familiar with
this, you're going to want to tune in because this definitely
qualifies as high strangeness. And I found this article on
Smart news and specifically this website is Smithsonian Meg.com
peers to be written by Mel on Sully Smithsonian mag.com,
January, 29th, 2021 and I'll put a link at the website.
UFO, warning.com the article begins.
It says in February 1959 University student, Mikhail,
sure oven. Hoping I'm pronouncing that
correctly made an unexpected discovery on the slopes of the
Ural Mountains. Dispatched as a member of a
search party investigating a group of nine experienced
hikers. Disappearance sure oven and his
fellow Whoa, Rescuers. Spotted the corner.
Of a tent peeking out beneath the snow.
As he told BBC News, lusatian 2019 inside, they found
supplies, including a flask of vodka, a map and a plate of
silos, white pork fat. All seemingly abandoned without
warning, a slash and a side of the tent suggested that someone
had used a knife to carve out an escape route from within while
Footprints leading away from the shelter, indicate that some of
the Mountaineers Adventure doubt, in Sub-Zero, temperatures
Barefoot or with only a single Boot and socks perplexed, the
search party decided to toast to the missing groups safety with a
flask Fallon and their tent. This is what people do people.
When they come upon disasters, oftentimes don't want to look at
the obvious thing that happened but we're always hoping for the
best outcome. Now, the article says quote, we
shared the Vodka out between us, there were 11.
Us including the guides shrivel. We called, we were about to
drink at one. One guy turned to me and said,
let's not drink to their health but to their Eternal peace over
the next several months, Rescuers recovered, all nine
hikers bodies /, BBC News, two of the men were found Barefoot
and clad only in their underwear.
While the majority of the group appeared to have died of
hypothermia, at least for has sustained horrific and
inexplicable injuries, including a fractured skull.
All broken ribs and a gaping gash to the Head.
One woman, 20 year old light, Amelia do, do being a Nina was
missing, both her eyeballs and her tongue.
The wounds said Doctor Who examined the bodies were equal
to the effect of a car crash. According to the documents
later, obtained by st. Petersburg's times, that's going
to be important to think about this later.
What looks like it might even animal predation or some type of
a soul Actually probably from an impact wound.
Now, if you go to the article, you'll see the pictures of these
nine poor lost souls that were killed in this tragic situation.
At did Loft pass. The article is on it, says
today, the so-called debt Loft pass incident named after the
group's leader. 23 year, old ygor did Lop is one of Russia's,
most enduring Mysteries spawning conspiracy.
Theories is varied as a military cover-up.
UFO sighting in a and an abominable snowman attack
radiation, Fallout 4, secret weapons test.
And a clash with the indigenous man.
See people. But as Robin George Andrews
reports for National Geographic. New research published in the
journal Communications Earth and environment points toward a more
sensible explanation. Drawing on Advanced Computer
modeling, deposit that an unusually timed Avalanche
sealed, the hikers fate now looks like after all these
years, the second course happened back in 1959.
The been able to finally come up with another computer
computational power to put the theory out there that would
actually kill these. Poor people was an avalanche and
the wounds that we see are actually impact wounds from that
Avalanche. It says, we do not claim to have
solved the Map pass mystery is no one survived to tell their
story. Lead author.
John Johan Guam head of the snow and Avalanche simulation
laboratory the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology tells
life science, brand inspector, but we show the plausibility of
the Avalanche hypothesis for the first time in 2019.
Russian authorities announced plans to revisit the incident
which they attributed, not to your crime, but to an avalanche,
a snow slab, or a hurricane. So we can see that the Russians
I had been looking at this thing as a natural disaster not as say
a paranormal event. The following year, the inquiry
pinned, the hikers deaths on a combination of an avalanche
importance ability as a state-owned riaa news agency.
Reported in July, twenty twenty the official findings suggested
that a torrent of snow slabs are blocky chunks, surprise, the
sleeping victims, and push them to seek shelter, at a nearby
Ridge. Unable to see more than 50 feet
ahead, the hikers froze. Death, is it attempted to make
their way back to their 10? Given the official findings
black of key scientific scientific details as well as
the Russian government's notorious lack of transparency.
However, this explanation failed to quell The public's curiosity
/ National Geographic critics of the slab.
Avalanche Theory site for main counter argument says, Guam to
Live Science, the lack of physical traces of an avalanche
found by Rescuers. The more than nine hour gap
between In the hikers building their Camp, a process that
required cutting into the mountain to form a barrier
Against the Wind and their Panic departure, the shallow slope of
the campsite. And the traumatic injuries.
Sustained by the group asphyxiation is a more common,
cause of death for Avalanche victims.
So you can see here, where some of the people are saying, well,
this couldn't have been an avalanche because the type of
wounds sustained. Typically, if a person is buried
in an avalanche, they dive fixation but that's not what
there. I think it's important to
remember here though, and will point out that the Avalanches
were talking about here, that that's theorize that killed
these folks at dip my past is basically blocks of ice coming
down on you. It would be like the, it would
be like being a multiple car wrecks as opposed to a big pile
of fluffy snow, just burying a 20 feet deep.
It goes on. And says, Guam and co-author,
Alexander a and of geotechnical engineer at eth0 re-used
historical records to create the mountains.
Environment environment on the night of the detlef incident and
attempted to address these seaming inconsistencies, then
the scientist right in the study, they simulated a slab
Avalanche drawing on snow friction data and local
topography, which revealed that the slope wasn't actually
shallow as it had seemed to prove that a All slow.
Slide could have swept through the area while leaving few
traces behind now. I like this notion that they're
going back and they're trying to historically reconstruct the
scene of the accident and they're applying the scientific
method, they're using math to solve the problem.
And so many times when we see paranormal investigations, it
just comes down to well this is one person's opinion or maybe we
have eyewitness accounts but we don't we don't Have accurate
clear, measurements of how things should up at the scene.
That's what I like so much about the old History Channel series
that was on a few years ago back about 10 12 years ago the UFO
Hunters they would go out and it would it would have a video and
then they would take the video to the lab and they would just
go through step-by-step and scientifically analyzed
evidence. And that's what I see Happening
Here. With these folks are trying to
scientifically analyze, the evidence that they have and what
evidence they don't have. They had to reconstruct.
Based on their weather reports from the time.
Now, it says the authors theorize, the katabatic winds
are fast-flowing funnels are propelled by the forces of
gravity transported, snow down the mountain, to the campsite it
was like somebody coming. It was like somebody coming and
showing the snow from one place and putting on the slope above
the 10th person. Explains to New Scientist.
Charles eventually, the accumulating snow became too
heavy for the slope of support. Now you probably know that as a,
as a pointed here later in the article, when you get to the
point where you had a 30 degree angle, that's when the slide
starts. And I think I was reading
somewhere with a pyramids, the Great Pyramid in Egypt that they
started out building the step Pyramids and but then we see the
pyramids evolve to a shape where they're approximately at a 30
degree angle and it turns out if you pour sand in the pile, it
will slope at a natural. 30 degree angle.
So, it seems like what happened was they were on this Hillside
camping and they cut into the hill.
And so, they actually put themselves in grave danger
because they create a situation, or they were in a situation
where they were beyond that point of the third degree angle.
So they were to vary Likely place for a snow slider,
Avalanche to occur because it's a natural tendency of the
physics is for things to assume a 30 degree angle.
It says it was like somebody coming and shoveling the snow
from one place and putting it on the slope above the tent.
Eventually the accumulating snow became too heavy for the slope
to support so you see that slope is above 30 degrees.
It's going to slide down if they didn't make if they hadn't made
a cut in the slope, nothing would have happened.
Wow. If they hadn't made a cut in the
slope, nothing would have happened if they would have just
pitched their tent there and not gotten fancy, they would have
been fine but by cutting into the slope, they altered the
natural state of things and then they basically created a
man-made Avalanche isn't that scary?
So many times it seems like we think we're doing the right
thing in life. But maybe the thing that we're
doing that we think is helping it's not it's not actually
helping at all. And Matt remember these folks
were they were they were camping in extreme, conditions, extreme
cold extreme snow if they hadn't made a cut in the slope, nothing
would have happened says prison and a statement, but a certain
but at a certain point of crack would have formed and propagated
causing the snow slab. To release the research has
unravelled the final piece of the puzzle.
The hikers. Unexplained injuries with a Of a
surprising Source, Disney's 2013 film Frozen.
According to National Geographic Guam was so impressed by the
movie's depiction of snow that he asks gets created to share.
That he has his creditors who share the animation code with
him. This simulation tool coupled
with the data from the cadaver test conducted by General Motors
1970s to determine what happened to the human body when struck at
different speeds and able to pair to show that the heavy
blocks of solid snow. Could have landed on the hikers
as they slept crushing their bones and causing injuries not
typically associated with Avalanches.
If this was the case, the para position, has that those who had
those, who, Those who had sustained less serious, blows
likely, drag their injured companions out of the tent in
the hopes of saving their lives. I'm going through this in the
end up web pages just going completely spasmodic on me.
So if I pause here and there it's because I'm trying to catch
up with the text. It says Jim McQueen, a Geo
hazards expert at Durham university in England who wasn't
involved in the study tells National Geographic that the
slabs of snow would have had to be incredibly stiff and moving
at a significant Speed to inflect, such violent injuries.
Well, let's stop and think about, you know, if a gallon of
water per gallon of water weighs about what is it?
Four pounds or 8 pounds? I mean it's a few pounds, right?
Well, if a gallon of water weighs that much and if you have
been swimming in a river, you know, the force of just, you get
into a couple of feet of water, two or three feet of water.
And, in a slow-moving, current can produce a tremendous amount
of force and actually become quite dangerous.
So it's not hard for me to imagine that small.
Block or slab of ice would be quite heavy, maybe hundreds of
thousands or tens of thousands of pounds.
And it wouldn't have to move that fast or that far in order
for it to cut to cause a lot of injury.
It'd be like having a log roll over on a person.
This is speaking with New Scientist McClellan.
As that the research doesn't explain why these people after
being hit by an avalanche rent off without their clothes on end
of the snow. Well, that's kind of silly.
Now, we know this probably happened at night, they were
sleeping, okay? Their clothes were probably wet,
they took them off and they're sleeping there in that tent
pole. All in it together, probably in
the wrong underwear as my guess. So it's almost like it's like no
matter what the theory is no matter how much sense it makes
somebody has to take on the role of deep bunker.
They continues. If you're in that type of harsh
environment, it's suicide to leave shelter without your
clothes on. Well, what if you're under 6
feet of snow? And for people to do that, it
must have been terrified by something.
I assume that one of the most likely things is that one of
them went crazy for some reason. I can't understand why all say
would have behaved and that way unless they were trying to flee
from someone who's been tracking them, why see right now?
This argument to me is made a couple of False assumptions.
They assume some are crazy. Now, come on.
How often does someone just randomly?
Go crazy, on camping, trip? I know.
It probably happens. I know there are people out
there with mental health issues that maybe they aren't treated,
but let's be honest, these were people that knew each other,
there were camping together. They were doing extreme.
Cold weather camping. Doesn't seem like the likelihood
here. Is that one of the people went
crazy and had a psychotic episode and decided to kill the
other eight people. That just seems pretty stupid to
me. And I really find it a little
concerning this guy, but want to just completely discount all of
the work that these folks have gone into to create this
possible theory of the Avalanche, which does make
perfect sense to me and just say, well, they were running
from somebody, but we know that the accident happened at night,
the incident happened at night because they'd already dug this
hole. Into the snow on the side of
this hill, and put their tent there for whatever reason,
that's how they decide to do it. So, they put themselves into
brick into a precarious situation to begin with.
Now, they talk about how they laid their skis.
They were cross-country, skiing, they later, skis down, and then
later blankets, whatever top of them, and then, and then lay
down and piled up like it's more blankets on top of them.
It makes sense that they weren't, they weren't wearing
the same Snow-covered clothes, they weren't sleeping in those
clothes. They were sleeping.
And some kind of, like I said, night clothes long underwear,
thermals whatever. So when this incident happened,
suddenly they went from being this nice cozy tent to being
just inundated with snow or maybe, maybe you begin to rumble
and they felt, they felt like their Adventure starting and
they were trying to get out of the Avalanche and on top of the
snow up out of this hole that they were in.
Basically, it looks like they'd cut a hole in the snow and Pitch
their tent down in there but you seem like a very unsafe thing to
do especially on the side of the Hill.
You know sometimes people think that they know more than they
know. And remember this is Soviet
Union post World War Two and maybe they should have taken
some lessons from the locals about how they went camping.
There were local indigenous people in that area to First the
Russians, the Russians kind of try to throw a little shade on
these folks like hey, maybe They were the ones that committed
this heinous murder against these Caucasian folks because
the indigenous people, I think we're more more likely related
to save Asiatic folks or more Eskimo or Native American
however you want to put it here again though.
It seems like we still have this tendency to want to debunk
something. That a theory that actually in
my mind conforms closer to the scientific method than anything,
we've come across so far. Now it says, Guam on the other
hand views the situation where the differently, as he tells
life science, when the hikers decided to go to the force, they
took care of their injured friends.
No one was left behind. I think it, I think it is a
great story of courage and friendship and the face of a
brutal force of nature. So, what happened was, Whatever
happened, whether this was an avalanche and I think it
certainly was, if you go if you go to the webpage, UFO
morning.com and Link onto this article.
I have the link posted there and it has a very detailed diagram
and it shows how they came along.
And, for whatever to me, it's inexplicable, they decided, hey,
this is we're going to Camp our tent.
So they literally just carved this L-shaped wedge into the
side of He'll so you have you have this tent looks like it's
probably six seven foot tall and on the one side.
So you're looking at it on the slope side, slopes down to it.
Here's this big layer of snow and ice and you've just cut a
wall into it. And now, here's a nice smooth
place to build my tent. What did they do?
They cut a hole. In that in that potential
Avalanche Zone. And what that's done is it has
literally taken. It's like, it's like, you had an
arch and you took out one of the Key Stone pieces.
Well, the arch is going to collapse.
Well, this didn't collapse immediately because there are
certain amount of tension from the ice itself had obviously
held it together. But it's pretty clear to me.
They cut this, they cut this wood shape into the side of the
Hill. Okay, so now we have this big
pile of snow. That's uphill from us and we
have our tent here and what's going to happen, you've taken
away, the support structure. So, over the course of about 9
hours, it looks like with more snow and wind moving in.
Eventually this big giant probably, I mean, a multi
multi-ton. Slab of ice, just slides, right
down the Hillside and what's in its way.
Well, your tents and it's away the tent that you just cut into
the side of this giant slab of ice.
When you look at this, when you look at this diagram and they
show what they did, To my mind. I'm thinking why in the world
would you do this? I mean, this is just the dumbest
thing a person could ever do in my opinion because you put
yourself in an avalanche Zone and like they said, maybe they
took a first look at it because of the way the snow had piled up
was a deceptive, they thought that they had plenty.
The slope was, was gradual enough that it wouldn't slide.
But when you get right down to it, the underlying Topography of
the ground was way past 30 degrees.
So this was an avalanche prone area, and when you cut a wedge
into this big slab of ice, Well, it's going to do what it's going
to do. It's going to slide downhill.
That's the natural thing for this to do, and it took a little
while. They cut this wedge in, they put
their 10 in and over the course of about nine hours.
This thing just slit right over the top of them.
Probably what happened was that? It looks like there was snow and
ice on top. Looks like probably what
happens. Some people were like right in
the Impact Zone. You know, you can have four or
five people in one car and have a terrible car.
Wreck one person, might walk away.
Any other person might end up dead.
Might depend a bit that they had your seat belts on my depend
upon, whether you're at the car might depend upon what kind of
impact they received and seems like a couple of people who had
two really bad injuries with a broken bones, but this one poor
soul, she had her eyes knockdown.
Well, it sounds terrible, it sounds impossible, but let me
tell you something. When people People sustained,
high impact injuries, they fall off a building.
They get hit in a car accident. Those kinds of terrible things
do happen. The human body does just seem to
come apart and that's what seems to have happened here.
And then it looks like probably what happened then over the
course of the next few seconds or minutes.
Whatever the people that were maybe shielded by this first
victims cut their way out of the tent.
They got their friends out of there, but their supplies,
everything else had been buried in so much snow that they
weren't able. Able to get back and retrieve
the things they needed and they literally froze to death died.
This exposure before they were able to Recover enough enough
supplies to survive the climate and, you know, I think what I
see when I look at this article did lot pass.
It says here at the end it says and they'll finish up, it says,
Jim McLean at Gio has expert at Durham University.
England who wasn't involved, it's a tells metric of the slabs
of snow would have been incredibly stiff and moving at a
significant speed to inflict such a response and then it goes
on. He says, He talks about, they
talks about how the people reacted.
Well, here's the thing, that people, what I see Happening
Here is I see a group of people from One environment, a group of
people from what the time was a modern environment they're in
the Soviet Union going into this really out back area, a very
Basically a place had been inhabited by indigenous people
for many, many years and trying to apply their techniques of
survival. To a situation which would have
been which would have been much better served.
If they would have taken the time to examine how the people
that live there, survived that situation.
I don't think you would have saw this indigenous people ever
cutting a wedge into the side of an avalanche prone pile of snow
and then basically pitching their tent right there in front
of that pile of snow. I also see when I see from this
is the description of the of the really bad injuries and what
people find when they got there and their expectations.
Played a lot into what they thought might have happened the
cause and effect. But when we go back and we look
at this thing and we take and we subjected to the scientific
method and we really apply the math to it.
And you look at the video here and it's really it's dramatic.
It's they got to fit it, goes along with this and it's a
little disturbing but it shows you exactly.
How these people could have sustained, these kinds of
injuries, and you have to ask yourself.
My, why would you put yourself in that, and that sort of a
situation where you were just in such a present danger?
I mean, basically, they just found a big chunk of ice.
That was ready to fall down. They made it even more unstable
by cutting a hole in the side of it.
And then pitching their true pitching, a tent in front of it.
It's like it's like parking the truck on the side of a hill.
Okay, releasing the parking brake and then camping behind it
and waiting for all the air to go out of the brakes so that the
truck can roll back and roll the top of you.
That's basically what happens basically what happened here?
They had they camped. On a hillside in the path.
Of this big sheet of ice which was effectively the size of and
the weight of multiples loaded semi trucks and then they cut a
wall through that ice and made a little spot for their 10th.
In other words, it would be to say, you've got multiple semi
trucks parked on a hillside. So you decide to go in and
release the parking brakes. I don't chock the wheels and
then just leave those trucks are parked on a hillside knowing
that when the error finally leaves a brake system, whatever
they're going to their brakes are going to fail and are going
to slide down the hill. That's kind of what they did.
They put themselves in a in a situation where the only thing
that could have happened did happen.
And this is proven to me, By the scientific research, these guys
did. And it just what I like about it
is, you know, it has a limit. Yes, it would have been, maybe
more interesting. If we could approve that there
were Bigfoot tracks around, or there was some sort of a UFO
connection, but what the authors of this paper have done, is they
have just gone through and they've just, they've just gone
through and just a basic math. They did the work and they drew
the diagrams, and they recreated the situation that Dated the
death of those people so we can see, we can look at that tent
right there on the side of that hill.
We can see that big massive ice sheet as just before it's sliced
on top of them and then they show us what that would do to a
human body. That kind of way at that speed
and why some people would have died and some people would have
survived. And then the effect of that was,
they weren't able to recover the warm clothes, well, who's and
people say well, why were they naked?
Well, why would you sleep in a tent with wet clothes on?
You wouldn't You have your night clothes on which they did their
underwear. And so when this Avalanche
happened, they escaped the tent, they drugged their drug, their
wounded and dead comrades to safety, but they didn't have
time, they only knew it had very few minutes left.
They didn't have time to get back in there and get their own
clothes and get warm clothes on. Try to get a fire started very
sad and tragic situation clear back from 1959.
But if really excellent job or reconstructing, the scene of
what happened, Definitely would take a chance to go.
Look at this. At the website.
You have form.com, a go on the link and and read the article.
It's really, it's really interesting until next time,
this is UFO warning over and out.
Definitely would take a chance to go.
Look at this. At the website.
You have form.com, a go on the link and and read the article.
It's really, it's really interesting until next time,
this is UFO warning over and out.