1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,040 Hello, and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,480 In this episode, we're talking about the Mariana UFO incident. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,720 That's correct, the Mariana UFO incident. 4 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:16,600 And this was a UFO sighting, and there was recording of it. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,480 And this happened back in 1950 out in West central Montana. 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,560 Now, we could begin by looking at Wikipedia, just kind of an 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,240 outline of what happened, and then we'll get into another 8 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:28,120 article that goes into a little bit more detail. 9 00:00:28,740 --> 00:00:33,140 It tells us that the Mariana UFO incident occurred August 1950 at 10 00:00:33,140 --> 00:00:37,060 Great Falls, Mt. The film footage of the siding 11 00:00:37,060 --> 00:00:40,420 is believed to be among the first ever taken of what came to 12 00:00:40,420 --> 00:00:43,500 be called an unidentified flying object, or UFO. 13 00:00:43,860 --> 00:00:48,340 The footage was investigated by the US Air Force and initially 14 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:53,260 found to be reflections from 2F-94 jet fighters, which was 15 00:00:53,260 --> 00:00:55,940 later retracted. So you can see what happened. 16 00:00:55,940 --> 00:01:00,500 The guy got the film of these flying saucers basically and the 17 00:01:00,540 --> 00:01:03,940 of course this is 1950, what just after World War Two, I 18 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:05,620 think the Korean Ward already started. 19 00:01:06,380 --> 00:01:08,820 They get the Air Force involved because I guess it would be an 20 00:01:08,820 --> 00:01:11,580 Air Force Base out there and the first thing they do is just try 21 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:13,540 to cover everything up. They begin with the parallel 22 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:16,740 narrative. All these were two F-94 jet 23 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:18,140 fighters. Well that would have been easy 24 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:20,860 to disprove because they keep flight logs of those things. 25 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:24,980 Now it says that the incident happened at 11:29 AM on August 26 00:01:24,980 --> 00:01:29,140 15th in 1950. Nick Mariana, he was a general 27 00:01:29,140 --> 00:01:32,300 manager of the Great Falls Selectrics and this is a minor 28 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:36,420 League Baseball team and him and his 19 year old Secretary of 29 00:01:36,420 --> 00:01:39,300 Virginia rounding. They were inspecting the empty 30 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:43,620 Legion Stadium baseball field before a game and a bright flash 31 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:48,380 of light caught Mariana's eye. According to his reports, he saw 32 00:01:48,380 --> 00:01:52,500 two bright, silvery objects rotating while flying over Great 33 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:57,700 Falls at a speed he estimated to be 200 to 400 mph. 34 00:01:58,260 --> 00:02:02,740 He believed that they were roughly 50 feet wide and 150 35 00:02:02,740 --> 00:02:05,980 feet apart. Mariana rented his car to 36 00:02:05,980 --> 00:02:10,460 retrieve a 16 millimeter movie camera and film the UFO's for 16 37 00:02:10,460 --> 00:02:12,660 seconds. The camera could find the 38 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:15,620 objects and color, but could not record sound. 39 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:18,220 Rounding also witnessed the objects. 40 00:02:18,620 --> 00:02:21,990 The day after Mariana sighting. The Great Falls Tribune, the 41 00:02:21,990 --> 00:02:25,150 city's daily newspaper, described his sighting and the 42 00:02:25,150 --> 00:02:28,670 film in an article, which is picked up by other media outlets 43 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:31,510 around the nation. For several weeks after the 44 00:02:31,510 --> 00:02:34,230 sighting, Mariana showed his film to local community groups 45 00:02:34,230 --> 00:02:37,430 like the Central Round Table Athletic Club. 46 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:41,430 So he'd filmed this thing, it got out there and people saw the 47 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:43,230 film. It's going to be important here 48 00:02:43,230 --> 00:02:44,950 in a minute because we're going to talk about what happened to 49 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:48,280 that film. Now we find out that the Air 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,000 Force did their investigations, says. 51 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,920 After saying the film, a reporter for the Great Falls 52 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:57,800 Tribune called Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio and 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,240 informed them of Mariana sighting and film now doesn't 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,960 sound like this reporter called them to ask him about air 55 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,200 traffic in the area. Sounds like he was being a good 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,190 little citizen and reporting this sighting to the to the Air 57 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:16,950 Force. You kind of see how media and 58 00:03:16,950 --> 00:03:22,590 the military are working hand in hand because on it says US Air 59 00:03:22,590 --> 00:03:26,350 Force Captain John P Reynoldsson interviewed Mariana at nearby 60 00:03:26,350 --> 00:03:29,430 Malmstrom Air Force Base outside of Great Falls. 61 00:03:29,710 --> 00:03:32,430 Now of course we know about the UFO activity that happened. 62 00:03:32,430 --> 00:03:35,390 There were solace, you know. Years later when Marijuana and 63 00:03:35,390 --> 00:03:37,830 Miss Rounding both told them they had seen 2 jet fighters 64 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:41,810 pass over the baseball stadium. Shortly after the sighting, 65 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:44,850 Brindleson felt that perhaps The Jets were the objects. 66 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:48,410 Mariana had seen a caption on film, with Mariana's permission. 67 00:03:48,410 --> 00:03:51,410 Captain Brindleson's Oh, here you go man. 68 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:52,810 You don't. I don't think you really want to 69 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:56,610 turn your film over to these guys unless you have a copy. 70 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:59,690 With the Mariana's permission and Captain Brindleson sent the 71 00:03:59,690 --> 00:04:03,130 film to Wright Patterson Air Force Base for analysis. 72 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:06,810 He told a reporter in Great Falls he picked up about 8 feet 73 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:10,390 of film in from Mariana. However, in his message to 74 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:15,350 Wright Patterson, he said that he was sending approximately 15 75 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:19,230 feet of moving picture film to the base for study. 76 00:04:19,670 --> 00:04:23,630 According to UFO historian Jerome Clark, this discrepancy 77 00:04:23,870 --> 00:04:29,390 was never cleared up at at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. 78 00:04:29,390 --> 00:04:32,150 The film was briefly examined and determined to be the 79 00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:36,830 reflections from 2F-94 jet fighters that were known to be 80 00:04:36,830 --> 00:04:39,710 flying over Great Falls at the time of Mariana sighting. 81 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:43,870 Lieutenant Colonel Ray W Taylor returned the film to Mariana 82 00:04:44,030 --> 00:04:48,670 with a cover letter stating that our photo analysts were unable 83 00:04:48,670 --> 00:04:54,390 to find anything identifiable of an of an unusual nature. 84 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:58,870 However, according to Air Force Officer Edward J Rupple, who 85 00:04:58,870 --> 00:05:02,390 would become the supervisor of the Air Force's Project Blue 86 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:08,710 Book, an investigation into the UFO mystery 1951 in 1950, there 87 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:11,870 was no interest by the Air Force in the UFO. 88 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:16,270 So after a quick viewing, Project Grudge, a name like 89 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:18,990 Project Grudge, you know they're going to have an open mind, had 90 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:22,630 written them off as a reflections from 2F-94 jets, 91 00:05:22,830 --> 00:05:24,390 fighter jets that were in the area. 92 00:05:25,030 --> 00:05:28,710 Controversy soon arose when Mariana claimed that the 1st 35 93 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:32,310 seconds of his film, which he said most clearly, showed that 94 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:34,950 the UFO's as rotating disc, were missing. 95 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:39,030 People in the Great Falls area who had viewed Mariana's film 96 00:05:39,030 --> 00:05:41,390 supported his claim. They claimed that the missing 97 00:05:41,390 --> 00:05:46,110 frames clearly showed the UFO's as spitting metallic disc with a 98 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:48,510 notch or band along their outer edges. 99 00:05:48,710 --> 00:05:51,510 The Air Force personnel denied this accusation instead, and 100 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:56,670 insisted they had removed only a single frame of film which is 101 00:05:56,670 --> 00:06:00,210 damaged in the analysis. So that's what they like to do. 102 00:06:00,770 --> 00:06:04,810 They like to put a little lie in there, a little bit of the 103 00:06:04,810 --> 00:06:07,330 truth. No, we didn't take out seven 104 00:06:07,330 --> 00:06:10,090 feet of film, we just took out one frame. 105 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:14,650 Yes, sounds reasonable. Now it goes on and tells us. 106 00:06:14,650 --> 00:06:20,450 In January 1951, Bob Constadine, a writer and UFO skeptic Reed 107 00:06:20,450 --> 00:06:25,210 Debunker, wrote an article for Cosmopolitan magazine entitled 108 00:06:25,210 --> 00:06:27,610 The Disgraceful Flying Saucer Hoax. 109 00:06:28,350 --> 00:06:31,510 It debunked the most famous UFO sightings to that date, 110 00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:34,190 including Mariana's sighting and film. 111 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:37,710 Claiming that Constantine's article implied that he was a 112 00:06:37,710 --> 00:06:41,750 liar, prankster, half wet crank, publicity hound, and fanatic 113 00:06:42,190 --> 00:06:46,190 Mariana filed a lawsuit for slander against Constantine. 114 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:49,710 The lawsuit was eventually dropped in 1955. 115 00:06:50,830 --> 00:06:55,190 You know, I understand why people read UFO articles and 116 00:06:55,190 --> 00:06:58,520 listen to UFO podcast like this because it's fun and it's a 117 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,240 mystery and it's fun to talk about it and share experiences 118 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,000 with people. And you know, it's it's it's 119 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,720 harmless. What I don't understand is who 120 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,200 pays for the debunking material that's produced. 121 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,360 It seems like that if you didn't believe in UF O's or you really 122 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,880 just were completely closed off to the thought of UF O's, why 123 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,360 would you read an article about them? 124 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,310 I mean, I don't need to read an article debunking something that 125 00:07:27,310 --> 00:07:30,230 I don't believe in. I mean, maybe once in a great 126 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:33,510 while, you know, but it's not something that I would consume 127 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:36,350 on a regular basis. What's the fun in that? 128 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:39,950 I could understand why people like to read articles about 129 00:07:39,950 --> 00:07:43,510 UFO's and and you know, and watch UFO videos and listen to 130 00:07:43,510 --> 00:07:47,110 UFO, you know, podcasts, because that's something that we enjoy. 131 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:50,630 It's kind of a positive, rewarding experience, but just 132 00:07:50,630 --> 00:07:54,390 to set there and consume negativity all the time. 133 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,520 You think that would get a little bit boring? 134 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,720 So who's paying these guys even back in 1951? 135 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,400 How do you make a fulltime job? Being a UFO skeptic, that's that 136 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,560 seems suspect to me, I said later studies. 137 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,840 In July 1952, Captain and Ruppert was able to convince 138 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,080 Mariana to let the Air Force see the film for a more detailed 139 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,240 analysis. Mariana reluctantly agree, but 140 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,600 only after requiring the Air Force to sign an agreement that 141 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,200 they would not remove any frames of the film. 142 00:08:24,970 --> 00:08:27,690 The film analyst at Wright Patterson Air Force Base 143 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:31,650 concluded that the objects in Mariana's film were not birds, 144 00:08:31,650 --> 00:08:34,370 balloons, or meteors. The original conclusion that the 145 00:08:34,409 --> 00:08:38,650 objects were reflections of the F-94 jets was also ruled out. 146 00:08:39,049 --> 00:08:42,330 According to Rupert and his memoirs, the two jets were 147 00:08:42,610 --> 00:08:45,850 weren't anywhere close to where the 2UFO's had been. 148 00:08:46,170 --> 00:08:50,330 We studied each individual light and both appeared to, and both 149 00:08:50,330 --> 00:08:52,490 appeared too steady to be reflections. 150 00:08:52,730 --> 00:08:54,690 We drew a blank on the Montana movie. 151 00:08:54,940 --> 00:08:58,340 It wasn't unknown. In January 1953, the Air Force 152 00:08:58,340 --> 00:09:01,820 and CIA convened a committee, a promised scientist, to examine 153 00:09:01,940 --> 00:09:05,020 the best cases collected by Project Blue Book, called the 154 00:09:05,020 --> 00:09:08,180 Robertson Panel. After its chairman, physicist HP 155 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:10,820 Robertson, it viewed Mariana's UFO film. 156 00:09:11,180 --> 00:09:14,260 The scientists judge that the objects in the film, or 157 00:09:14,260 --> 00:09:17,140 reflections of aircraft known, have been in the area. 158 00:09:17,380 --> 00:09:21,220 So they'll let the there's your scientists sit right there and 159 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:23,410 lie to your face. Now the Air Force came out and 160 00:09:23,410 --> 00:09:26,450 had to retract that these things were airplanes said no way the 161 00:09:26,450 --> 00:09:29,130 airplanes weren't around there. These reflections are far too 162 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:31,930 steady. These lights are far too steady 163 00:09:31,930 --> 00:09:33,890 to be reflections off one of our airplanes. 164 00:09:34,410 --> 00:09:38,290 And so how do we handle this bombshell revelation? 165 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:42,090 Well, we bring in an authority figure and he tells you don't 166 00:09:42,090 --> 00:09:45,010 believe you're lying eyes. Now there was a thing called the 167 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:50,090 Baker analysis, and this is it was in 1954, Green Rouse 168 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:53,490 Productions decided to film a documentary movie about the UFL 169 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:56,370 phenomenon, and they asked Nick Mariana for the rights to use 170 00:09:56,370 --> 00:09:59,370 his film in the documentary, and Mariana agreed. 171 00:09:59,690 --> 00:10:04,090 So to analyze the film, they hired Robert ML Baker Junior, a 172 00:10:04,090 --> 00:10:07,570 scientist and engineer for the Douglas Aircraft Company, and 173 00:10:07,570 --> 00:10:09,970 Baker. He completed his analysis of 174 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:13,890 Mariana's film in early 1956, and he concluded that the 175 00:10:13,930 --> 00:10:16,810 explanation that the objects were simply reflections from the 176 00:10:16,810 --> 00:10:20,160 F-90 four's jet was quite strained. 177 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,200 In other words, no way. In 1968, Baker testified before 178 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,960 a congressional hearing on UF O's. 179 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,880 He commented on his analysis of the Mariana film. 180 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,000 He says preliminary analysis excluded most natural phenomena. 181 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,360 More detailed study indicated that the only remaining natural 182 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,160 phenomena candidate for the Utah film spurs in flight, and for 183 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,160 the Montana film it was airplane fuselage, reflections of the 184 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,850 Sun. After about 18 months of rather 185 00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:49,810 detailed, albeit not continuous, studying using various film 186 00:10:49,810 --> 00:10:54,130 measuring equipments at Douglas and UCLA, as well as analysis of 187 00:10:54,130 --> 00:10:58,170 the photogrammatic experiment, it appeared that neither of 188 00:10:58,170 --> 00:11:01,730 these natural phenomena explanations held any merit. 189 00:11:01,730 --> 00:11:08,050 In 1969, Baker presented a paper at the A a USUFO panel organized 190 00:11:08,050 --> 00:11:10,970 by Thornton Page and Carl Sagan. He discussed to Mariana film as 191 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:12,970 well as other films and photographs of UFOs. 192 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:17,150 Baker concluded that the Mariana film was unidentifiable. 193 00:11:17,470 --> 00:11:20,430 He emphasized the importance of improving the quality of 194 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:23,670 photographic data before speculating about the nature of 195 00:11:23,670 --> 00:11:25,670 UF O's. So in other words, we can't 196 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:27,470 explain it, let's just not talk about it. 197 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:30,830 Now. We have the Condo report in 198 00:11:30,830 --> 00:11:34,590 1966, and this is a government established report that was 199 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:39,270 funded for the study of UFL phenomena and it was located at 200 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:42,190 the University of Colorado at Boulder. 201 00:11:42,190 --> 00:11:45,750 There, and chaired by Edward U Condon, a prominent A prominent 202 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:48,950 physicist, the committee's researchers decided to 203 00:11:48,950 --> 00:11:51,190 reinvestigate Mariana's UFO film. 204 00:11:51,190 --> 00:11:54,550 The Condon Committee assigned to investigators to study the case, 205 00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:56,750 Roy Craig. He was a physicist who was 206 00:11:56,750 --> 00:12:00,070 generally skeptical of UF O's, and David Saunders, a 207 00:12:00,070 --> 00:12:03,670 psychologist who had long been interested in a Mariana UFO 208 00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:06,230 incident. Now Saunders and Craig, they 209 00:12:06,230 --> 00:12:08,270 soon added a new problem to the case. 210 00:12:08,270 --> 00:12:11,860 They were not sure whether the film had been taken on August 211 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:16,900 5th or August 15th, 1950. After interviewing Mariana, the 212 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:19,340 two researchers came to different conclusions about the 213 00:12:19,340 --> 00:12:21,940 film. Craig Now wait a minute. 214 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:23,980 This would seem easy to figure out to me. 215 00:12:23,980 --> 00:12:25,940 They could just go back and find out when the baseball game 216 00:12:25,940 --> 00:12:27,460 happened that should have been recorded. 217 00:12:28,220 --> 00:12:31,940 Craig remains skeptical of Mariana's claims that 35 frames 218 00:12:31,940 --> 00:12:33,140 have been removed from the footage. 219 00:12:33,140 --> 00:12:35,860 Well, of course the comment I considered the most significant, 220 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:39,310 which Mariana's ex secretary made to me during a telephone 221 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:42,630 interview when I pressed for information or beliefs regarding 222 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:46,750 clipping of the film by the Air Force, the very hesitant comment 223 00:12:46,750 --> 00:12:53,390 was what you have to remember is all this that Nick Mariana is a 224 00:12:53,390 --> 00:12:55,830 promoter. That comment was adequate to 225 00:12:55,830 --> 00:12:58,710 close our conversation and his memoirs. 226 00:12:58,710 --> 00:13:03,180 Greg also wrote that I would not like to have I would not like to 227 00:13:03,180 --> 00:13:06,700 have to defend Dr. Saunders conviction that Mariana's film 228 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:09,620 is strong evidence that we have extraterrestrial visitors. 229 00:13:10,220 --> 00:13:13,420 However, Saunders thought that the Mariana film was a crucial 230 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:15,820 case in the Colorado Project's case file. 231 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:21,660 Impressed by Baker's analysis, Saunders was suspicious of the 232 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:24,940 discrepancy over the missing frames at the beginning of the 233 00:13:24,940 --> 00:13:28,100 Mariana film. He was particularly concerned 234 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:31,650 with reports that the 1st 3 seconds of the film that were 235 00:13:31,650 --> 00:13:35,330 missing clearly indicated the objects were spinning disk. 236 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:39,770 He came to the conclusion that Mariana's film was the one 237 00:13:39,770 --> 00:13:42,930 sighting of all time that did more than any single case. 238 00:13:42,970 --> 00:13:46,770 That convinced me that there is something to the UFO problem. 239 00:13:47,370 --> 00:13:50,410 Well, you see there that they're definitely viewing this thing as 240 00:13:50,410 --> 00:13:54,170 a problem and I think the solution to them is just to 241 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:57,730 cover it up. It tells us here that copies of 242 00:13:57,730 --> 00:14:00,930 Mariana's film currently reside in the US National Archive. 243 00:14:01,470 --> 00:14:03,630 It is still featured in documentaries, television 244 00:14:03,630 --> 00:14:06,870 programs, and shared online. The film continues to be 245 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:10,390 debated. Since Mariana sighting, over 100 246 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:14,470 other UFO sightings have been made in Great Falls, Mt, making 247 00:14:14,470 --> 00:14:17,510 it one of the most active locations for UFO sightings in 248 00:14:17,510 --> 00:14:19,790 North America. I could explain something. 249 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:23,030 In 2008, the minor League Baseball team in Great Falls was 250 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:28,430 renamed the Great Falls Voyagers and honor of the Mariana UFO 251 00:14:28,430 --> 00:14:30,820 incident. Wow, that's. 252 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:36,220 I think that's just a spectacular recording actually 253 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:38,340 there, I mean they filmed this thing, they got it on film. 254 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:40,820 And then of course 1950, they trust the government. 255 00:14:40,820 --> 00:14:43,860 So they go ahead and let them have access to this, to this 256 00:14:45,460 --> 00:14:48,180 movie reel and guess what? It comes back incomplete. 257 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:50,660 Now here's another article on it kind of goes into some more 258 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:55,620 detail and this is from journal-news.com dot pH. 259 00:14:56,300 --> 00:15:02,030 The title says the strange saga of the Mariana UFO footage and 260 00:15:02,030 --> 00:15:03,910 then this one here has some color pictures of. 261 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:07,590 It is also a black and white reel of this that's you can get 262 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:10,350 a link to put this on the Buy me a Coffee website. 263 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:13,590 As always, thanks to the people that donate over there at the 264 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:14,710 Buy me a coffee. That's great. 265 00:15:14,990 --> 00:15:18,430 And while I'm on it, if you're listening to the program, go 266 00:15:18,430 --> 00:15:20,870 ahead and hit the like and subscribe for Spotify or 267 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:24,390 wherever you're listening at and take the time to go to Twitter. 268 00:15:24,950 --> 00:15:29,240 It's at Warning Sub UFO and follow me on Twitter. 269 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,600 It helps the program Now. This article is written by Britt 270 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,080 Swanzer, dated August 30th, 2021. 271 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,760 It looks like it might have been reuploaded on the on November 272 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,400 13th, but it says UFO videos and footage have come and gone over 273 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,560 the years, ranging from the somewhat compelling to the 274 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,600 downright obviously fake. In more recent times, the white 275 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,320 availability of Photoshop and other means of document, photos 276 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,420 and footage is made such evidence all but pointless. 277 00:15:57,420 --> 00:16:01,380 But there was a time before the advent of computer trickery when 278 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:05,300 photos and footage can be taken more at face value and one of 279 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:07,980 the more astounding of the pieces of footage of a UFO from 280 00:16:07,980 --> 00:16:11,940 the time there's not only one of the earliest films of a UFO but 281 00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:15,140 also one of the most intriguing and off discussed. 282 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,020 It's important to remember this guy. 283 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,300 You have two witnesses here and this little gals with him and 284 00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:23,020 you know he just films it right there in front of her. 285 00:16:23,020 --> 00:16:26,680 So there was no possibility that this film had been doctored. 286 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,680 And it was, it was a movie. So it would have been pretty 287 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,880 nice possible for this guy to really have done that himself. 288 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,120 So I don't think it was ever argued that the film wasn't, you 289 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,640 know, authentically filmed. It was just, it was just the 290 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,880 argument was about the content of the film, what they were 291 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,200 filming. And he says it was UF O's. 292 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,000 He says the first part of that film was missing. 293 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,440 That clearly showed that it was UF O's. 294 00:16:50,970 --> 00:16:53,010 And then of course the military came along later and said no, 295 00:16:53,010 --> 00:16:55,730 those are fighter, fighter planes and which they had to 296 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:59,210 retract that statement. And then after they retracted, 297 00:16:59,210 --> 00:17:01,490 they reinvestigated and say, well, they must have been 298 00:17:01,490 --> 00:17:03,490 airplanes. Well, this is 1950, You didn't 299 00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:05,130 have the air traffic like you did today. 300 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:09,250 So obviously the parallel narrative here didn't stick. 301 00:17:09,930 --> 00:17:12,410 It didn't stick the first time. It didn't stick the second time. 302 00:17:13,970 --> 00:17:18,730 Now the author tells us on August 15th, 1950, an unassuming 303 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:22,530 minor League Baseball manager by the name of Nick Mariana of 304 00:17:22,530 --> 00:17:25,849 Great Falls, Mt was going about a usual day. 305 00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:29,170 On this day he went to the baseball stadium to inspect the 306 00:17:29,170 --> 00:17:33,690 site before a big game for his team, the Great Falls Electrics, 307 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:38,050 and it was completely routine. No no reason to suspect that the 308 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:40,530 day was about to get very strange indeed. 309 00:17:40,530 --> 00:17:43,010 He was there with his 19 year old Secretary of Virginia 310 00:17:43,010 --> 00:17:47,660 rounding, and as they went about their inspection at around 11:30 311 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:51,380 AM, a bright flash in the sky caught Mariana's attention. 312 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:55,020 When he looked up, he saw two bright silvery objects that 313 00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:57,740 seemed to be rotating and speeding along at an estimated 314 00:17:57,740 --> 00:18:03,180 speed of between 200 and 400 mph, with each of the objects 315 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:06,180 around 50 feet in diameter. Rounding had seen the strange 316 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:09,500 objects as well, and for a few moments they just stared in 317 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:12,700 disbelief. Incredibly, Mariana was able to 318 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:16,410 overcome his awe and fascination long enough to remember that he 319 00:18:16,410 --> 00:18:20,530 had a 16 millimeter camera back at his car and he ran to get it. 320 00:18:21,010 --> 00:18:24,410 Upon returning to the field, the anonymous objects were still up 321 00:18:24,410 --> 00:18:28,090 there, moving in a formation and keeping a steady distance of 322 00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:30,490 around 50 to 100 feet between them. 323 00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:36,210 Mariana stared up at his camera and was able to take 16 seconds 324 00:18:36,210 --> 00:18:39,080 of collar footage of the mysterious objects which the 325 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,080 very next day was doing the rounds in the news appearing in 326 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,560 the local paper, the Great Falls Tribune, and from there it would 327 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,840 attract a great amount of attention from all over. 328 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,240 The footage went on to get nationwide coverage, with 329 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Mariana further spraying the word through private showings at 330 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,480 various local community groups. At the time, UFO's were a hot 331 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,200 topic, with the late 1940s really kicking off the craze of 332 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,440 the flying saucers and stories about alien invasions all the 333 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,440 rage. So what was being called the 334 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,010 Mariana footage really hit a nerve and sparked much 335 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:11,770 excitement, controversy and fear. 336 00:19:12,050 --> 00:19:15,370 At the time, the footage was a pretty big deal and then says 337 00:19:15,370 --> 00:19:17,850 you can see some of the footage here and there's a link you can 338 00:19:17,850 --> 00:19:20,210 go to that. It's pretty neat actually. 339 00:19:21,090 --> 00:19:23,370 Now among those who took an interest in the footage was the 340 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:27,650 US Air Force and the US Air Force Captain John P Brindelson 341 00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:30,810 arrived in Great Falls to interview Mariana on the 342 00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:33,050 incident. He would learn that both of the 343 00:19:33,050 --> 00:19:36,530 witnesses had also seen 2 jet fighters fly over the stadium 344 00:19:36,530 --> 00:19:39,810 shortly after taking the footage, which they has had 345 00:19:39,810 --> 00:19:43,210 assumed to be the military perhaps pursuing the objects. 346 00:19:43,570 --> 00:19:47,330 This was a curious detail as it suggested to Brindleson that 347 00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:50,490 perhaps what they had seen were just the two jets. 348 00:19:50,770 --> 00:19:54,010 He managed to procure a portion of the footage and sent it to 349 00:19:54,330 --> 00:19:57,090 Wright Patterson Air Force Base for analysis, where it was 350 00:19:57,090 --> 00:20:00,570 quickly written off as merely the reflections of the two F 94 351 00:20:00,570 --> 00:20:02,850 fighters. That were officially confirmed 352 00:20:03,090 --> 00:20:05,170 to have been flying over at the time. 353 00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:08,210 However, this explanation did not set well with everyone. 354 00:20:08,650 --> 00:20:10,610 Now I think the author might have made a mistake here. 355 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:13,850 He says he managed to produce a portion of the footage. 356 00:20:14,370 --> 00:20:17,010 You're not going to send the guy part of the footage, as it was 357 00:20:17,010 --> 00:20:20,610 said in the other article that they sent the footage and 358 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:23,690 Mariana says hey, I didn't get it all back, you cut off the 1st 359 00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:27,520 3 seconds, which makes sense. In 1952, the United States 360 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,600 government had launched an official investigation into into 361 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,600 unidentified flying objects called Project Blue Book, which 362 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,240 evolved from another study of UFO started in 1949 called 363 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,880 Project Grudge. Although Project Grudge had 364 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,640 agreed that the Mariana footage was just fighter jets, when Air 365 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,320 Force officer Edward J Rupert took the reins of the newly 366 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,680 emitted Project Blue Book, he wasn't so sure, thinking that 367 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,800 perhaps the footage had been written off prematurely. 368 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:59,220 Interestingly, as all this was going on, Mariana would complain 369 00:20:59,220 --> 00:21:02,100 that sections of the footage he had submitted to the Air Force 370 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:05,740 were missing, specifically frames which proved that the 371 00:21:05,740 --> 00:21:09,180 objects were rotating or spinning, something the military 372 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:12,100 denied. Well, pretty clearly he gave him 373 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:15,380 the film okay and the first part of the film. 374 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:17,900 That's what those are. First five seconds or so, or 375 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:19,820 three seconds. That's where he that's where he 376 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:22,500 has the best shot of these flying saucers. 377 00:21:22,780 --> 00:21:25,440 The rest of the community saw it, but he said yeah, we saw 378 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,400 that he gives the film to the military and it comes back 379 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,120 without the 1st 3 seconds. Now what do you think happened 380 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,240 to it? I mean, come on. 381 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,520 Rupo was not only able to arrange for another more 382 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,360 detailed analysis to be done in the film, but but also get 383 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,040 Mariana's permission to resubmit the footage again. 384 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,680 This time, analysts came back with the conclusion that the 385 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,040 objects seen in the film were not birds, balloons, or meteors. 386 00:21:51,490 --> 00:21:54,930 They also ruled out the original idea that these were just F-94 387 00:21:54,930 --> 00:21:57,570 jets. Ruipol was also able to 388 00:21:57,610 --> 00:22:00,570 ascertain that The Jets were nowhere near the stadium at the 389 00:22:00,570 --> 00:22:03,650 time of the sighting, making it even less likely that they could 390 00:22:03,650 --> 00:22:05,610 have accounted for what was seen in the film. 391 00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:09,050 Whereas the first analysis had quickly explained it all away, 392 00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:12,130 this time the Air Force had no choice, but they can see that it 393 00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:15,690 was an unknown. In 1954, the footage was under 394 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:19,090 the microscope again when it was used in a UFO documentary for 395 00:22:19,330 --> 00:22:22,180 Green Rouse Productions. The documentary hired a 396 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:25,420 scientist and engineer for the Douglas Aircraft Company by the 397 00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:28,820 name of ML Baker Junior to take a look at the film. 398 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,820 He also rejected the hypothesis that the objects were 399 00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:34,740 reflections of fighter jets. Baker will conclude in 400 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:37,780 Congressional hearing on UF O's concerning of the Mariana 401 00:22:37,780 --> 00:22:40,140 footage. It says preliminary analysis 402 00:22:40,140 --> 00:22:42,420 excluded most of the natural phenomena. 403 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,020 More detailed study indicated that the only remaining natural 404 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:49,740 phenomena candidate for the Utah film was Birds in Flight, and 405 00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:53,780 for the Montana film it was airplane fuselage, reflections 406 00:22:53,780 --> 00:22:56,260 of the sun. After 18 months of other 407 00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:59,260 detailed, albeit not continuous, study using various film 408 00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:03,660 measuring equipment at Douglas and at the UCL and at UCLA, as 409 00:23:03,660 --> 00:23:06,340 well as analysis of photogrammatic experiment, it 410 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:11,380 appeared that neither of these hypothesized natural phenomena 411 00:23:11,620 --> 00:23:16,200 explanations had merit. Now the author tells us that in 412 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,320 the end Baker's in Baker's opinion, the objects were 413 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,880 unknown. For the next decade, the Mariana 414 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,400 footage was much discussed and debated. 415 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,000 And then in 1966, it became the subject of another official 416 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,520 investigation, this time by the Air Force Fund Study of the UFO 417 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,600 Phenomena, based at the University of Colorado Boulder 418 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,600 and run by physicist Doctor Edward U Condon. 419 00:23:38,910 --> 00:23:40,470 This was called the Condon Report. 420 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:42,430 And the study looked at all manner of UFO reports. 421 00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:44,790 And this time they had their sights set on the Mariana 422 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,190 footage. Condon recruited physicist Dr. 423 00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:50,150 Roy Craig and psychologist Doctor David Sunders to 424 00:23:50,150 --> 00:23:53,270 reexamine the footage and they would come up with mixed 425 00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:54,590 results. Of course, we go through that 426 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:56,230 again. One of them says, hey, I can't 427 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:57,670 explain it. And the other one says, well, 428 00:23:57,670 --> 00:23:59,470 this guy, you know, he was their promoter. 429 00:23:59,870 --> 00:24:03,870 Look, nothing has ever been put forward to debunk this footage. 430 00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:07,830 The simple case 1950 simpler times. 431 00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:10,490 This guy, he manages the baseball team. 432 00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:12,690 He's out there on the baseball field, checking the field out 433 00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:15,210 before the game, making sure there's no debris on the field, 434 00:24:15,210 --> 00:24:17,610 whatever, Everything is safe. He looks up. 435 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:19,050 She's a couple of flying saucers. 436 00:24:19,650 --> 00:24:22,930 He remembers. He's got a he's got an old 16 437 00:24:22,930 --> 00:24:26,370 millimeter or 8 millimeter, whatever it was back in his car, 438 00:24:26,370 --> 00:24:28,730 he runs back. He gets his movie camera, points 439 00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:31,850 it to the sky, starts filming. The 1st 3 seconds of this film 440 00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:33,690 are amazing. You can actually see the flying 441 00:24:33,690 --> 00:24:36,690 saucers very clearly, but then they begin to move across the 442 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:39,380 sky. After a couple seconds, he got 443 00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:41,060 the film. He has the film developed the 444 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:43,820 next day at the drugstore, wherever, the camera store, 445 00:24:43,820 --> 00:24:44,980 wherever. He films it out there in Great 446 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:47,100 Falls and he begins to show it to people. 447 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:49,580 He takes it to the newspaper. He shows all the local community 448 00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:50,820 groups. This is 1950. 449 00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:53,420 A lot of people didn't even have television yet. 450 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:56,140 So this is big news. What happens? 451 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:59,340 Well, one of the newspaper guys gets a hold of somebody in at 452 00:24:59,340 --> 00:25:02,420 Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, says, hey, we got a 453 00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:04,380 video, we've got, well, they wouldn't call them videos back 454 00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:07,410 then. We have a movie of this UFO. 455 00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:09,890 Well, guess what? The Air Force shows up. 456 00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:11,650 Yeah. Can we have a look at that, 457 00:25:11,650 --> 00:25:13,690 please? They take the film. 458 00:25:14,170 --> 00:25:17,130 They return to film later. But the first three seconds were 459 00:25:17,130 --> 00:25:18,410 missing. That's what he says. 460 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:21,090 What's the Air Force say? No problem. 461 00:25:21,290 --> 00:25:22,570 We don't know what happened to that. 462 00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:23,890 We don't have the film you gave us. 463 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:27,330 Even though they told one person that they got fifth. 464 00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:29,690 They got what, 8 feet from him? Told somebody else. 465 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:33,830 I got 15 feet of real. So we see at the very beginning 466 00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:36,670 there was deception involved in acquiring this evidence. 467 00:25:36,670 --> 00:25:38,710 The chain of custody here is cloudy. 468 00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:41,710 The chain of custody here is cloudy as soon as the government 469 00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:44,150 gets involved. In the beginning, you have a guy 470 00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:46,950 with another with a with a young 19 year old girl. 471 00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:51,870 She watches him film the same with his with his little 1950 472 00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:55,110 movie camera. He gets it developed right there 473 00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:57,350 in town. He shows it to a bunch of 474 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:58,790 people. They all see it. 475 00:25:58,870 --> 00:26:01,990 They say, yeah, this is what we saw and then the government 476 00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:04,670 becomes involved. Hey, let us have a look at that 477 00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:08,470 film he gives in the film. He's very trusting, doesn't even 478 00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:11,430 keep a, doesn't even keep a copy for himself. 479 00:26:12,510 --> 00:26:15,430 The film comes back. It's missing the 1st 3 seconds. 480 00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:18,470 We're supposed to trust the government though, that nothing 481 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:19,950 happened to that 3 seconds of film. 482 00:26:20,550 --> 00:26:22,790 Yes, that's never happened before with our government has 483 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:24,950 it? Until this day, people are still 484 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:28,120 arguing about, even though the parallel, the parallel 485 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,720 narrative, began shortly after that. 486 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,520 Shortly after seeing that film, the government tried to claim 487 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,520 that those were fighter jets. That didn't stand to reason. 488 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760 So they reinvestigate. We can't explain it. 489 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,840 They reinvestigate. Well, it must have been 490 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,440 airplanes. It's 1950. 491 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,360 We know they weren't airplanes. So this is a classic UFO case 492 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,600 where you've got good evidence from the very beginning. 493 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:55,370 The evidence is tampered with or destroyed as soon as the 494 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:58,330 government gets injected into the equation. 495 00:26:58,770 --> 00:27:01,290 And then the parallel narratives just keep piling on, even though 496 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:04,370 they don't hold up, and 16 years later, they're still trying to 497 00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:07,290 inject parallel narratives on the same That was 1950. 498 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:12,170 Here we are 70 years later, still trying to inject parallel 499 00:27:12,170 --> 00:27:15,970 narratives into the story. But the truth remains. 500 00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:20,050 Even the video, even the recording that's left over 501 00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:23,350 remains. Clearly not aircraft. 502 00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:25,030 Until next time, this is UFO warning. 503 00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:25,550 Over now.