Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning.
In this episode we're talking about the allegation alien
abduction. That's correct.
The allegation alien abduction, also known as the allegation
waterway incident in August of 1976.
Four friends, Jim Weiner, Jack Weiner, Charlie Fultz, a check
rack embarked on a camping trip to the Allegash Wilderness
Waterway in Maine. One night they decided to go
night fishing when they spotted a bright light in the sky.
The light approached them rapidly and their next memory
was being back on the shore with no recollection of how they got
there. Years later, the four men
independently underwent hypnosis and recalled being taken aboard
a craft where experiments were performed on them.
They described the beings as having large, almost almond
shaped eyes and thin grey bodies.
The consistency of their memories and corroborated
details made the allegation incident one of the most
discussed abduction cases in recent history.
Let's go ahead and take a look at this first article.
This first article is from unsolved.com.
The Unsolved Mysteries series. Just really fun series.
I think it says Allegash abductees 4 men camping in Maine
believe they were abducted by aliens.
It's got a picture of this area meant talk about remote and it's
also got a picture of the guys. It says 4 men.
Jack Weiner, Jim Weiner, Chuck Rack and Charlie Foltz say they
experienced a terrifying encounter with aliens while
camping in The Maine wilderness. It's taken the men years to go
public. Each has been polygraphed and
hypnotized, and their stories hold up for years.
Jack Weiner was disturbed by recurring nightmares.
He told no one about them except for his wife, Mary.
I was starting to have nightmares, really terrible
nightmares that I could not explain.
I found myself in a very brightly lit room.
I had no idea where I was or why I was there.
To my left I could see my brother Jim, Chuck Rack and
Charlie Foltz were sitting on some type of bench and they were
all naked. I was wondering why they weren't
helping me because I felt like I was in danger.
And while I'm trying to figure this out I noticed this figure
or a dark shadowy type figure emerging from this light.
This bright light in front of me.
I would wake up sweating and breathing heavily and just in a
state of terror and shock. Man, that's quite a that's quite
a memory. I mean, just imagine.
I mean, I can't imagine being abducted by one of these things
by by these, I guess multiple things.
And they've got these four guys on this craft.
They're naked. They're all kind of like in a
trance. And this guy's just held there
basically against his will, scared out of his mind.
And now he's having these reoccurring nightmares.
What's cool, also in this first paragraph we're looking at, and
then we'll get along here, is the fact that they all pass
polygraph tests. Now, you could say, well, they
had implanted memories in them, but still four of them, it says.
In 1988, Jack's twin brother Jim confessed that he too was
haunted by exactly the same nightmares.
There were always a certain elements of the dream that were
the same, some type of creature being helpless, being violated
was a feeling I often woke up with in every dream.
The twins were with Charlie Foltz and Chuck Rack, two
friends they had met in school. They wondered if these
nightmares could be connected to a camping trip 12 years earlier
in Maine. In August 1976, the four men had
spent two weeks in Maine's Outagash Wilderness.
The Outagash covers thousands of acres in the northernmost part
of the state. On the second night out, Jim
noticed a bright object in the sky.
It was just floating above the treetops, didn't seem to be
moving in any direction. And I looked at it through the
binoculars for maybe 15 seconds, 30 seconds, and it suddenly just
winked out from the outside edges inward.
I mean, it literally just went whoosh like that and it was
gone. There was something about this
thing that left me with an odd feeling that wasn't quite right,
but I really didn't dwell on it. Now this, this idea of this UFO
is just blinking out. This is something here all the
time and these reports on new fork and that people see him
zoom, just zoom out and we've seen him on videos doing this
over and over again. It says the men continue through
the allegation wilderness. On the 4th day, they decided to
try some night fishing. They build a bonfire to mark
their campsite. Once out on the water check rack
was the first to realize they weren't alone.
I had a feeling there was someone staring at me from
behind me. I turned over my right shoulder
like that and I saw this large round globe of light that looked
exactly like we had seen two nights previously.
It had this rolling effect to it, like a miniature sun, very,
very bright. It lit up the treetops like
daylight, and it was absolutely silent.
That's Jim Weiner. After looking at it for what
seemed like several moments, we decided to signal this thing.
That's when Charlie picked up the flashlight and squeezed off
a message. SOS Chuck Rack.
So many times we hear about people shining flashlights at
these things, and a lot of times it does not work out very well.
I would not recommend it. It says the the response was
instantaneous. Well, when the light started
coming toward us, my curiosity was satisfied and I just dropped
the flashlight. The only thought in my mind was
to get to shore. I never looked back.
Charlie Foltz The men began paddling back to shore.
I remember looking over my shoulder trying to keep an eye
on this object as it was coming up behind us.
It was getting very close. It was almost on top of us at
this point. I remember thinking that we're
not going to outrun this thing, said Jack Weiner.
Their next memory was being back on shore, just staring up at the
bright object. I remember thinking I could pick
up a stone and bounce it off this thing's side.
That's how close it was. And then all of a sudden it just
streaked away very, very fast. And within a few seconds it was
like a star, just another light in the sky.
Jim Weiner Man, that's just incredible speed.
I remember stepping out of the canoe and going up to the
campsite, and I remember there was no panic.
People seem to be very relaxed. Chuck Rack Well, it's almost
like these guys are under the influence of something.
I think all four men agree they were out on the lake for less
than 20 minutes. The huge bonfire should have
burned for hours, and yet only coals remained, indicating a
longer passage of time. Jack Weiner recall.
Jack Weiner recalls. The unusual thing is that we
didn't stay out for hours and discuss this thing, which is
what you'd think 4 young pals on a camping trip would do.
We just seemed very fatigued and wanted to go to bed.
The next morning we got up and got our camp together and
paddled to the next campsite. Well, it's just like they're
under some kind of hypnotic state or maybe some kind of
anesthesia was used on them. Who knows?
Mind control, for sure. The men spent another 10 days in
the Allegash wilderness, but never again saw the bizarre
light. As the years went by, they told
friends and family about the UFO sighting, but no one really
believed them. The men hardly believed it
themselves. Then the nightmares began for
Jim and Jack Weiner. Finally, Jim contacted UFO
researcher Ray Fowler for help. Fowler suggested the Allegash 4
undergo hypnosis with a train hypnotherapist to recover
details of the sighting under hypnosis.
Each of them in experience terrifying repressed memories of
being abducted. They were almost exactly alike,
independent of one another. Each of them drew illustrations
of their incredible recollections.
All four said they were taken aboard the craft.
The aliens forced them to strip naked and seem to be conducting
medical examinations. The aliens took samples of the
men's skin and body fluids, their blood, urine and semen.
What follows are excerpts from the actual sessions.
Wow. You know, you think about these
hearings going on and the UFOs and all these insiders telling
us, well, we know things we can't tell you.
Well, what if it's things like this?
I mean, wouldn't you want to know?
Wouldn't you want to know so that if you happen to see one of
these things that you didn't stick around, take too many
pictures or you didn't volunteer to go on board?
I don't know. Here's the first quote.
It's from Charlie Foltz. It says they're, they're, they
don't know what to do. I think I'm going to come after
them. I feel like I want to.
The first one that comes near
me, I'm going to throttle him. I don't like these things.
I don't care where they come from.
They shouldn't be doing this to people.
What's from Jim Warner? Jim Weiner?
They're right here. Their face is right in my face.
I don't know why. I don't want to know.
I don't want to know what they want.
They're saying things in my head.
They're saying things. Don't be afraid, they say.
And what we say. Just do what we say.
Jack Weiner Well, they're telling them not to be afraid.
Apparently they want these guys in some kind of relaxed state,
maybe so they can get more accurate data from them.
I don't know. It's like a doctor's office.
I get that it's cold. Like a doctor's office is cold.
They put the panel over your chest.
Then they scrape your arms and your chest, your legs and
thighs. We shouldn't be here.
I just. I just keep thinking I want to
be back in the canoe. Charlie Foltz.
What a horrible, horrible situation.
I have to go through that. Chuck Rack could see that the
aliens were going to Charlie. I see some sort of device on
him. They've got this, they've got
this. This looks like a silvery.
It looks like like it's got curves on it.
It's almost like like a suck something.
He's got his head tipped way back.
It's almost like he's in pain where we can't help him.
All we can do is watch him. Wow, you have to wonder if they
didn't put an implant in this poor guy.
It was not until after the hypnosis ations that the Algas 4
discovered that each of them had recalled the same horrifying
events. They each took polygraph tests
and passed. For skeptics, however, stories
of alien abduction do not stand up to scrutiny.
Some suspect, including clinical psychologist Dr. William Kahn,
that images from popular culture or horror movies might have
triggered inspiration for memories of alien abduction,
says this movement is media driven.
As cyclical people hear about good cases on TV, they think
they may have had the same thing happen.
It's sort of, it's sort of feeds on that.
Well, I mean, it's four of them then it says Doctor John Mack is
a psychiatrist and an author. I think he's passed away now.
Pretty sure. Usually these are people who
have no interest in abductions, have not read about it or are
unfamiliar with the beings and are shocked and astounded when
they hear someone else had these experiences as well or that
there is material in the media about it.
The investigators have a very clear cut agenda about what
they're looking for. So if you get somebody that's
going, that's doing UPU abductions research, this is a
person that has already decided that UFO abductions are real,
that thousands of people are having them.
They have a symptom list and if you come in the door with those
symptoms, then you must have been abducted, says Doctor Khan.
Well, it really doesn't work like that, says Mack.
The person comes because they've heard that I am open minded to
listen to something which other therapist or other mental health
professionals have not been able to listen to.
This is not a club anyone wants to belong to, Doctor Mack.
No kidding. The four men have never backed
down. It says this happened.
If you believe it, that's all right.
If you don't believe it, I don't care.
I don't care because it did. Charlie Foltz.
Man, what a crazy story. So what, We have this interview
here with Jim Weiner and Chuck Foltz.
That's a newspaper up there in Maine.
Take a listen to this and just see how sincere these guys are.
I think this really adds so much to the story.
Hi, I'm Matt Byrne, staff writer with the Portland Press Herald.
And today in the studio we have Jim Weiner and Chuck Foltz, who
are here to share their experience from nearly 40 years
ago on a canoe trip in the Allagash waterways.
They saw late at night a bright light in the sky and years later
found that they've recovered memories of an abduction.
We're here to discuss their experiences and their lives.
This weekend they'll be guests at Experiencers Speak conference
of like minded individuals who are gathering in Portland to
talk about the things that they know and the things that they've
seen. So welcome Chuck.
Welcome, Chuck. Thanks for having us.
No problem. Thank you for being here.
I was hoping we could start with If You Could, taking us back to
your canoe trip in 1976. And after working our way
across, taking a good 20 minutes to get there, we began fishing.
And we'd only been there just maybe about 10 minutes at the
most. And the other guy was sitting at
the back of the canoe, said what the Hell's that?
We all turned and looked in that direction and I saw this light
at the tops of the trees. I mean, this thing was, this
thing was big, man. It was as big as a two-story
house. It had to be at least 7080 feet
in diameter. Yeah.
Were you fearful? No, not at first.
We were very curious at first because it made no noise at all.
So there was no threatening homes or wines or anything like
that. And it was moving slowly.
Going very slowly, but it had this this it wasn't a solid it
wasn't a solid it didn't look like a solid object.
It was it was like had a fuzzy edge to it.
I thought, well, let's try signaling and Chuck had a
flashlight because we were using the flashlight to attract fish
and he immediately ticked off ASOS just.
Out of curiosity. As soon as he did that, I mean
immediately after he did that, this beam of light came out of
the bottom of this thing, and it came right before our canoe.
I mean, we lit up like a roaming candle out in the middle of a
black lake. So we started paddling, and I
mean, we were really gone. And I remember looking back at
one point to see where this thing was and thinking that it
was way behind us. And instead of being way behind
us, it was right up there. And then the next thing we
remembered, all of a sudden our canoe hit the beach and we got
out of the canoe and we stood there and it was right in front
of us in the water. I remember standing there
looking at this thing thinking that if I had a stone or a fair
sized rock, like, you know, maybe an egg sized rock, I could
hit it. That's how close it was.
So that's about 30-40 yards maybe.
And there was a beam of light coming out of the bottom of it
on the water. It wasn't moving.
It was almost as if it was sitting on this beam of light,
and then the beam went up into the sky and it just went like
that, just like an iris closing. Well, basically we knew that it
was a UFO, an unidentified flying object.
What were the mutual experiences that you all agreed upon?
What were the? There was an abduction that it
wasn't just the fact that we had encountered and seen an object
in the night sky that I shined a flashlight at.
Under the control of of. These beings.
Whoever they were, whatever they were, what did they do?
They treated us. We liken it as if if you or I
were animal behaviorists and we went to the North Pole and
darted a polar bear and we wanted to go out and then
measure its teeth and see how its jaws move, take some blood
samples. Maybe a sperm?
Sample, you know, see how its, its limbs articulate, You know,
what's, what's that orifice? What's this orifice?
How does this work? That's how we were treated.
And then the next thing I remembered was sitting in this
room. It was a room where I could
focus clearly directly in front of me, but my peripheral vision
was blurred. And my brother was standing
maybe 810 feet away from me. He was standing and he was
naked. And there were these beans,
these kind of they, they were human shape, but they weren't
human. And they had they had a wand
that was maybe 14 inches long. It was thin on one end and had a
slight, tiny little bulb on it. And they were like scanning his
arms and they were taking his arms and articulating his wrists
and his and his his shoulder. And I kept thinking, my God,
they're going to really hurt him if they keep doing this.
I remember that thought going through my head.
How long do you believe you were under that control?
Probably 2 1/2, maybe 3 hours. Does it bother?
You when people say that you might be crazy or you might be
making it up. In line.
We've we've. Heard it so many times over the
years. I mean, number one, we have
nothing to gain by this except public ridicule a lot.
But our our goal would be to enlighten, inform, and, you
know, put some type of positive direction on this.
Wow, that was really something. You watch that video and you can
just see the body language of these guys.
They just seem so sincere. And the notion about we talk
about putting a radio tag on an animal, you know, I really have
to wonder if these guys didn't have some sort of implant put in
them or at least maybe one of them.
Really, really strange stuff. This is just a riveting case.
We'll go ahead and we'll wrap up with this last article talking
about this allegation abduction. So here's one last article.
This is from medium.com. Just a great story.
I think even though it's a very frightening story, it says the
allegation alien abductions, unearthly encounters.
This is dated April 25th, 2004. In the summer of 1976, a group
of four friends embarked on a camping trip to the remote
wilderness of Allegash, Maine. What began as a simple retreat
into nature would soon transform into surreal and otherworldly
experience that defied explanation.
This is the story of the allegation.
Alien abductions, unearthly encounters, A night that forever
changed the lives of the men. Charles Fultz, Chuck Rack, Jim
Weiner, and Jack Weiner. Twins.
They were all camping. However, what happened propelled
them into the realm of unexplained phenomena.
And sparking mystery among the seekers of the unknown, what
they saw and experienced that night changed their lives
forever. Not one, but all four were
abducted by strange alien beings.
I'll tell you, these things almost seem to me to be demonic.
The way they look and the way they act.
There's a total disregard and no, no empathy whatsoever.
A disregard for, you know, these peoples, these, these young
guys, physical autonomy, their mental well-being, all that out
the window. Like you said, they treated them
just like they were an animal they came here to examine.
Firstly, under the canvas of stars.
It was a beautiful, clear August evening.
Therefore the friends paddled their canoe across the serene
waters of Eagle Lake, leaving behind the familiar world.
The allure of solitude and the beauty of the wilderness
beckoned them further into the heart of the Allegation
Wilderness Waterway, thus far away from the hustle and bustle
of everyday life. Listen, these guys are, these
guys are pretty fearless in my opinion.
They're they're out there, they're having, they're having
fun camping and they're in the middle of nowhere, man.
I imagine it's just pitch black out there other than the
Starlight or maybe whatever moonlight was there and they're
out there paddling the canoe. And the middle of this sounds
like a pretty good sized lake in the middle of the night.
Not something everybody would really be comfortable doing, it
says. Their tranquil camping trip took
an eerie turn when a mysterious luminous object appeared in the
night sky. Hovering over the water, it cast
an otherworldly glow that captivated and unsettled them.
What happened next was beyond their comprehension as they
found themselves inexplicably drawn toward the enigmatic
light. Transitioning to their account
of the encounter, the friends recall their inability to resist
the strange force that seemed to guide them.
Their next memory was of being inside an unidentified flying
object, unable to control their own movements.
This marked the beginning of a night that would haunt them for
the rest of their lives. It's scary stuff, man.
Just. I mean, being sucked up into
this craft against your will. I mean, yeah.
Inside the alien craft, the friends underwent a series of
bizarre and invasive medical examinations at the hands of non
human entities. These examinations left them
physically and emotionally scarred, raising questions about
the nature of their captors and the purpose behind these
unsettling procedures. Well, we know the nature of
their captors. Anyone or anything that would do
this is evil. Transitioning to their
recollections, their friends vividly remember their paralysis
that rendered them powerless during the examinations.
The passage of time became hazy as they were subject to scrutiny
by their own unearthly captors. The experience was a traumatic
blend of the inexplicable and the horrifying.
In the wake of their hurrying experience, Charles, Chuck, Jim
and Jack were left with a profound need for answers.
The elegation, alien abductions, unearthly encounters had
irrevocably altered the course of their lives, and they
couldn't ignore the pressing questions that lingered.
They sought guidance of experts, including renowned
hypnotherapist Dr. Benjamin Simon, who conducted hypnotic
regression sessions to journey deeper into their memories.
Under hypnosis, the friends revealed even more astonishing
details about their encounter. They recounted conversations
with their otherworldly captors, describing a strange form of
communication that transcended language.
We hear this all the time. These revelations raised
intriguing questions about the intentions and motivations of
the extraterrestrials beings they had encountered, the
consistency in their accounts under hypnosis for their
credence to their extraordinary story, leaving researchers and
skeptics alike pondering the profound implications of the
allegation. Abductions.
Well, that's a little wordy, but I think we get the point.
These guys were sucked up onto this craft.
They're doing these crazy, painful, very unwanted
procedures on them. They're communicating with them
telepathically. But it's not so much
communication, is it is just them ordering them.
Be calm, don't be afraid, be still making them more
compliant, it says. In conclusion, the allegation
abductions remain an enigmatic chapter in the journals Have
extraordinary encounters that night that forever altered their
lives of Charles Fultz, Chuck Rack, Jim Weiner.
Jack Weiner stance is a testament to the mysterious and
unexplained forces that may exist beyond our comprehension.
Yeah. And then it finishes up a little
bit there. Look, I talked about this case
in part because, you know, we had the hearings today.
You have people like Louis Elizondo and others implying
that they know more than what they can say.
Well, if it's this bad, they should just tell us.
Look, it's bad. You know, you have TomTom Delong
making those comments maybe a few years ago now about how he'd
seen something that had kept him up for three days.
It was so bad. These guys that claim that
they're in the know, these made members of the UFO mafia, if
they have have it on good authority or if they've seen
things like Tom says he has or Louis says he has or I suppose
even David Gresh. And these things are as
dangerous and as evil as these creatures wore that captured
these men that we have a right to know.
And as fellow human beings, they could tell us that I think
without violating their oath of secrecy.
And if their oath of secrecy is to cover up the existence of so
wicked and so evil that it would randomly pick people up on a a
waterless lake somewhere, do these tormenting procedures to
them, maybe implant them? I don't know.
I don't know if these guys have ever been implanted.
You know, the one fellow there did say when they were talking
about it was like being abducted by an animal specialist, as if
we went to the North Pole and darted at the polar bear and
then just measured all of its parts and its orifices.
And then one of all spoke up and said, yeah, and put A tag, put a
radio collar on it. Well, maybe these guys have been
tagged and somehow they know it. They're talking about this guy
being bent back in a chair looking like he was in pain.
To me, that's the real key to the whole story is when these
alien abductions happen and then we have implants on top of it.
Well, there's your physical proof.
Just saying that as an aside, this is what bothers me the most
about all these guys that are in the news talking about UFOs.
And I don't care if it's scary, Nolan or Louis Elizondo,
whoever. And they're telling us say no
things. They can't tell us what things
do you know, things like this that we have these very evil,
they appear to be demonic entities out there randomly
abducting people, doing heinous things to them against their
will, inflicting pain on them, possibly implanting some sorts
of trackers in them, Who knows? This is the sort of stuff that
we have to know if we're going to have disclosure.
Then let's just start with the bad stuff, Louis.
Let's just start by you telling us, do you know stories like
this to be true? And how do we prepare for that?
Because some people believe there's a religious component.
There's a whole idea and stories, by the way, where
people have said that they've been abducted by these sayings
and they've spoken the name of Jesus over them.
Or some people just simply say that they resist.
What are the things that we need to do to avoid this happening to
us? And if someone like Louis or
Gary or any of these other guys has that answer, then we deserve
to know because I think they can give us that answer without
jeopardizing national security. Until next time, this is UFO
warning over and out.