1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,160 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,320 In this episode we're talking about the allegation alien 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,760 abduction. That's correct. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,000 The allegation alien abduction, also known as the allegation 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,600 waterway incident in August of 1976. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,440 Four friends, Jim Weiner, Jack Weiner, Charlie Fultz, a check 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,120 rack embarked on a camping trip to the Allegash Wilderness 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,440 Waterway in Maine. One night they decided to go 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,360 night fishing when they spotted a bright light in the sky. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,040 The light approached them rapidly and their next memory 11 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:41,840 was being back on the shore with no recollection of how they got 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,400 there. Years later, the four men 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,320 independently underwent hypnosis and recalled being taken aboard 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,800 a craft where experiments were performed on them. 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,160 They described the beings as having large, almost almond 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,560 shaped eyes and thin grey bodies. 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,680 The consistency of their memories and corroborated 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,000 details made the allegation incident one of the most 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,080 discussed abduction cases in recent history. 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,160 Let's go ahead and take a look at this first article. 21 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,880 This first article is from unsolved.com. 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,560 The Unsolved Mysteries series. Just really fun series. 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,000 I think it says Allegash abductees 4 men camping in Maine 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,240 believe they were abducted by aliens. 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:28,760 It's got a picture of this area meant talk about remote and it's 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,520 also got a picture of the guys. It says 4 men. 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,960 Jack Weiner, Jim Weiner, Chuck Rack and Charlie Foltz say they 28 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:39,040 experienced a terrifying encounter with aliens while 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,400 camping in The Maine wilderness. It's taken the men years to go 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,880 public. Each has been polygraphed and 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,680 hypnotized, and their stories hold up for years. 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,520 Jack Weiner was disturbed by recurring nightmares. 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,680 He told no one about them except for his wife, Mary. 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,840 I was starting to have nightmares, really terrible 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,680 nightmares that I could not explain. 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,040 I found myself in a very brightly lit room. 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,320 I had no idea where I was or why I was there. 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,000 To my left I could see my brother Jim, Chuck Rack and 39 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Charlie Foltz were sitting on some type of bench and they were 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,480 all naked. I was wondering why they weren't 41 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,760 helping me because I felt like I was in danger. 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,320 And while I'm trying to figure this out I noticed this figure 43 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,120 or a dark shadowy type figure emerging from this light. 44 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,640 This bright light in front of me. 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,560 I would wake up sweating and breathing heavily and just in a 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,960 state of terror and shock. Man, that's quite a that's quite 47 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,320 a memory. I mean, just imagine. 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,840 I mean, I can't imagine being abducted by one of these things 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,200 by by these, I guess multiple things. 50 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,880 And they've got these four guys on this craft. 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,520 They're naked. They're all kind of like in a 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,640 trance. And this guy's just held there 53 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:01,080 basically against his will, scared out of his mind. 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,280 And now he's having these reoccurring nightmares. 55 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,240 What's cool, also in this first paragraph we're looking at, and 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,800 then we'll get along here, is the fact that they all pass 57 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,120 polygraph tests. Now, you could say, well, they 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,360 had implanted memories in them, but still four of them, it says. 59 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,360 In 1988, Jack's twin brother Jim confessed that he too was 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,600 haunted by exactly the same nightmares. 61 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:28,080 There were always a certain elements of the dream that were 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,160 the same, some type of creature being helpless, being violated 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,960 was a feeling I often woke up with in every dream. 64 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,560 The twins were with Charlie Foltz and Chuck Rack, two 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,320 friends they had met in school. They wondered if these 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,040 nightmares could be connected to a camping trip 12 years earlier 67 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,080 in Maine. In August 1976, the four men had 68 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,160 spent two weeks in Maine's Outagash Wilderness. 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,320 The Outagash covers thousands of acres in the northernmost part 70 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,520 of the state. On the second night out, Jim 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,200 noticed a bright object in the sky. 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,560 It was just floating above the treetops, didn't seem to be 73 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,520 moving in any direction. And I looked at it through the 74 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,720 binoculars for maybe 15 seconds, 30 seconds, and it suddenly just 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,720 winked out from the outside edges inward. 76 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,920 I mean, it literally just went whoosh like that and it was 77 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,600 gone. There was something about this 78 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,600 thing that left me with an odd feeling that wasn't quite right, 79 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:35,920 but I really didn't dwell on it. Now this, this idea of this UFO 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,800 is just blinking out. This is something here all the 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,920 time and these reports on new fork and that people see him 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,680 zoom, just zoom out and we've seen him on videos doing this 83 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,360 over and over again. It says the men continue through 84 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,960 the allegation wilderness. On the 4th day, they decided to 85 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,800 try some night fishing. They build a bonfire to mark 86 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,160 their campsite. Once out on the water check rack 87 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,520 was the first to realize they weren't alone. 88 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,720 I had a feeling there was someone staring at me from 89 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,400 behind me. I turned over my right shoulder 90 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,720 like that and I saw this large round globe of light that looked 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,040 exactly like we had seen two nights previously. 92 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:22,560 It had this rolling effect to it, like a miniature sun, very, 93 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,600 very bright. It lit up the treetops like 94 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,720 daylight, and it was absolutely silent. 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,840 That's Jim Weiner. After looking at it for what 96 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,240 seemed like several moments, we decided to signal this thing. 97 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,680 That's when Charlie picked up the flashlight and squeezed off 98 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,440 a message. SOS Chuck Rack. 99 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,280 So many times we hear about people shining flashlights at 100 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:47,760 these things, and a lot of times it does not work out very well. 101 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,400 I would not recommend it. It says the the response was 102 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,160 instantaneous. Well, when the light started 103 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,080 coming toward us, my curiosity was satisfied and I just dropped 104 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,640 the flashlight. The only thought in my mind was 105 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,000 to get to shore. I never looked back. 106 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,720 Charlie Foltz The men began paddling back to shore. 107 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,640 I remember looking over my shoulder trying to keep an eye 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,280 on this object as it was coming up behind us. 109 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,080 It was getting very close. It was almost on top of us at 110 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,440 this point. I remember thinking that we're 111 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,400 not going to outrun this thing, said Jack Weiner. 112 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,280 Their next memory was being back on shore, just staring up at the 113 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,520 bright object. I remember thinking I could pick 114 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,520 up a stone and bounce it off this thing's side. 115 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,240 That's how close it was. And then all of a sudden it just 116 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,880 streaked away very, very fast. And within a few seconds it was 117 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,840 like a star, just another light in the sky. 118 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,720 Jim Weiner Man, that's just incredible speed. 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,000 I remember stepping out of the canoe and going up to the 120 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,120 campsite, and I remember there was no panic. 121 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,760 People seem to be very relaxed. Chuck Rack Well, it's almost 122 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,600 like these guys are under the influence of something. 123 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,080 I think all four men agree they were out on the lake for less 124 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,840 than 20 minutes. The huge bonfire should have 125 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,360 burned for hours, and yet only coals remained, indicating a 126 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,960 longer passage of time. Jack Weiner recall. 127 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,080 Jack Weiner recalls. The unusual thing is that we 128 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,120 didn't stay out for hours and discuss this thing, which is 129 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,760 what you'd think 4 young pals on a camping trip would do. 130 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,800 We just seemed very fatigued and wanted to go to bed. 131 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,720 The next morning we got up and got our camp together and 132 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,720 paddled to the next campsite. Well, it's just like they're 133 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,200 under some kind of hypnotic state or maybe some kind of 134 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,760 anesthesia was used on them. Who knows? 135 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,440 Mind control, for sure. The men spent another 10 days in 136 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,680 the Allegash wilderness, but never again saw the bizarre 137 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,480 light. As the years went by, they told 138 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,280 friends and family about the UFO sighting, but no one really 139 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,680 believed them. The men hardly believed it 140 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,800 themselves. Then the nightmares began for 141 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Jim and Jack Weiner. Finally, Jim contacted UFO 142 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,800 researcher Ray Fowler for help. Fowler suggested the Allegash 4 143 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,160 undergo hypnosis with a train hypnotherapist to recover 144 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,160 details of the sighting under hypnosis. 145 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,360 Each of them in experience terrifying repressed memories of 146 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,120 being abducted. They were almost exactly alike, 147 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,000 independent of one another. Each of them drew illustrations 148 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,039 of their incredible recollections. 149 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,799 All four said they were taken aboard the craft. 150 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,440 The aliens forced them to strip naked and seem to be conducting 151 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,920 medical examinations. The aliens took samples of the 152 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,880 men's skin and body fluids, their blood, urine and semen. 153 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,080 What follows are excerpts from the actual sessions. 154 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Wow. You know, you think about these 155 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,560 hearings going on and the UFOs and all these insiders telling 156 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:02,200 us, well, we know things we can't tell you. 157 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,040 Well, what if it's things like this? 158 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,240 I mean, wouldn't you want to know? 159 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,880 Wouldn't you want to know so that if you happen to see one of 160 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,120 these things that you didn't stick around, take too many 161 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,440 pictures or you didn't volunteer to go on board? 162 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,160 I don't know. Here's the first quote. 163 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,760 It's from Charlie Foltz. It says they're, they're, they 164 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,960 don't know what to do. I think I'm going to come after 165 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,720 them. I feel like I want to. 166 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,040 I feel like I want to. The first one that comes near 167 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,640 me, I'm going to throttle him. I don't like these things. 168 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,120 I don't care where they come from. 169 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,600 They shouldn't be doing this to people. 170 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,280 What's from Jim Warner? Jim Weiner? 171 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,680 They're right here. Their face is right in my face. 172 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:46,720 I don't know why. I don't want to know. 173 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,880 I don't want to know what they want. 174 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,400 They're saying things in my head. 175 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,160 They're saying things. Don't be afraid, they say. 176 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:57,200 And what we say. Just do what we say. 177 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,960 Jack Weiner Well, they're telling them not to be afraid. 178 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Apparently they want these guys in some kind of relaxed state, 179 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,720 maybe so they can get more accurate data from them. 180 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,440 I don't know. It's like a doctor's office. 181 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,440 I get that it's cold. Like a doctor's office is cold. 182 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:13,560 They put the panel over your chest. 183 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Then they scrape your arms and your chest, your legs and 184 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:19,640 thighs. We shouldn't be here. 185 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,640 I just. I just keep thinking I want to 186 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,160 be back in the canoe. Charlie Foltz. 187 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,160 What a horrible, horrible situation. 188 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 I have to go through that. Chuck Rack could see that the 189 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,520 aliens were going to Charlie. I see some sort of device on 190 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,680 him. They've got this, they've got 191 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:40,360 this. This looks like a silvery. 192 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,040 It looks like like it's got curves on it. 193 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,000 It's almost like like a suck something. 194 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,600 He's got his head tipped way back. 195 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,840 It's almost like he's in pain where we can't help him. 196 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,480 All we can do is watch him. Wow, you have to wonder if they 197 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,000 didn't put an implant in this poor guy. 198 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,080 It was not until after the hypnosis ations that the Algas 4 199 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,760 discovered that each of them had recalled the same horrifying 200 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,480 events. They each took polygraph tests 201 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,200 and passed. For skeptics, however, stories 202 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,720 of alien abduction do not stand up to scrutiny. 203 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,280 Some suspect, including clinical psychologist Dr. William Kahn, 204 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,480 that images from popular culture or horror movies might have 205 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,080 triggered inspiration for memories of alien abduction, 206 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,560 says this movement is media driven. 207 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:32,800 As cyclical people hear about good cases on TV, they think 208 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,440 they may have had the same thing happen. 209 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,040 It's sort of, it's sort of feeds on that. 210 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,560 Well, I mean, it's four of them then it says Doctor John Mack is 211 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,120 a psychiatrist and an author. I think he's passed away now. 212 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,920 Pretty sure. Usually these are people who 213 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,960 have no interest in abductions, have not read about it or are 214 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,840 unfamiliar with the beings and are shocked and astounded when 215 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,240 they hear someone else had these experiences as well or that 216 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,720 there is material in the media about it. 217 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,920 The investigators have a very clear cut agenda about what 218 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,480 they're looking for. So if you get somebody that's 219 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,880 going, that's doing UPU abductions research, this is a 220 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,520 person that has already decided that UFO abductions are real, 221 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,560 that thousands of people are having them. 222 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,640 They have a symptom list and if you come in the door with those 223 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,360 symptoms, then you must have been abducted, says Doctor Khan. 224 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,200 Well, it really doesn't work like that, says Mack. 225 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,120 The person comes because they've heard that I am open minded to 226 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,400 listen to something which other therapist or other mental health 227 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,480 professionals have not been able to listen to. 228 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:48,160 This is not a club anyone wants to belong to, Doctor Mack. 229 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,040 No kidding. The four men have never backed 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,200 down. It says this happened. 231 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,680 If you believe it, that's all right. 232 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,520 If you don't believe it, I don't care. 233 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,440 I don't care because it did. Charlie Foltz. 234 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,520 Man, what a crazy story. So what, We have this interview 235 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,760 here with Jim Weiner and Chuck Foltz. 236 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,440 That's a newspaper up there in Maine. 237 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,080 Take a listen to this and just see how sincere these guys are. 238 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,280 I think this really adds so much to the story. 239 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,440 Hi, I'm Matt Byrne, staff writer with the Portland Press Herald. 240 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,680 And today in the studio we have Jim Weiner and Chuck Foltz, who 241 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:26,880 are here to share their experience from nearly 40 years 242 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,640 ago on a canoe trip in the Allagash waterways. 243 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:37,440 They saw late at night a bright light in the sky and years later 244 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,120 found that they've recovered memories of an abduction. 245 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,120 We're here to discuss their experiences and their lives. 246 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,720 This weekend they'll be guests at Experiencers Speak conference 247 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,040 of like minded individuals who are gathering in Portland to 248 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,920 talk about the things that they know and the things that they've 249 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,360 seen. So welcome Chuck. 250 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Welcome, Chuck. Thanks for having us. 251 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,320 No problem. Thank you for being here. 252 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,160 I was hoping we could start with If You Could, taking us back to 253 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:14,480 your canoe trip in 1976. And after working our way 254 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:20,800 across, taking a good 20 minutes to get there, we began fishing. 255 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,920 And we'd only been there just maybe about 10 minutes at the 256 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,440 most. And the other guy was sitting at 257 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,160 the back of the canoe, said what the Hell's that? 258 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,840 We all turned and looked in that direction and I saw this light 259 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,800 at the tops of the trees. I mean, this thing was, this 260 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,960 thing was big, man. It was as big as a two-story 261 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,840 house. It had to be at least 7080 feet 262 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,920 in diameter. Yeah. 263 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Were you fearful? No, not at first. 264 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,520 We were very curious at first because it made no noise at all. 265 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,160 So there was no threatening homes or wines or anything like 266 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,280 that. And it was moving slowly. 267 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:04,800 Going very slowly, but it had this this it wasn't a solid it 268 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,320 wasn't a solid it didn't look like a solid object. 269 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,960 It was it was like had a fuzzy edge to it. 270 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,360 I thought, well, let's try signaling and Chuck had a 271 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,280 flashlight because we were using the flashlight to attract fish 272 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,360 and he immediately ticked off ASOS just. 273 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,240 Out of curiosity. As soon as he did that, I mean 274 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,960 immediately after he did that, this beam of light came out of 275 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,920 the bottom of this thing, and it came right before our canoe. 276 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,280 I mean, we lit up like a roaming candle out in the middle of a 277 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,800 black lake. So we started paddling, and I 278 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,040 mean, we were really gone. And I remember looking back at 279 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,280 one point to see where this thing was and thinking that it 280 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,040 was way behind us. And instead of being way behind 281 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,840 us, it was right up there. And then the next thing we 282 00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:00,080 remembered, all of a sudden our canoe hit the beach and we got 283 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,240 out of the canoe and we stood there and it was right in front 284 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,040 of us in the water. I remember standing there 285 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,240 looking at this thing thinking that if I had a stone or a fair 286 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,840 sized rock, like, you know, maybe an egg sized rock, I could 287 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,400 hit it. That's how close it was. 288 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,440 So that's about 30-40 yards maybe. 289 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,000 And there was a beam of light coming out of the bottom of it 290 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,040 on the water. It wasn't moving. 291 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,840 It was almost as if it was sitting on this beam of light, 292 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:31,000 and then the beam went up into the sky and it just went like 293 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:37,320 that, just like an iris closing. Well, basically we knew that it 294 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,480 was a UFO, an unidentified flying object. 295 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,480 What were the mutual experiences that you all agreed upon? 296 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,400 What were the? There was an abduction that it 297 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:54,600 wasn't just the fact that we had encountered and seen an object 298 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,320 in the night sky that I shined a flashlight at. 299 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Under the control of of. These beings. 300 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,079 Whoever they were, whatever they were, what did they do? 301 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,079 They treated us. We liken it as if if you or I 302 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:15,400 were animal behaviorists and we went to the North Pole and 303 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,359 darted a polar bear and we wanted to go out and then 304 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,400 measure its teeth and see how its jaws move, take some blood 305 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,000 samples. Maybe a sperm? 306 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Sample, you know, see how its, its limbs articulate, You know, 307 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,840 what's, what's that orifice? What's this orifice? 308 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,560 How does this work? That's how we were treated. 309 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,600 And then the next thing I remembered was sitting in this 310 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,320 room. It was a room where I could 311 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,040 focus clearly directly in front of me, but my peripheral vision 312 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,000 was blurred. And my brother was standing 313 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,000 maybe 810 feet away from me. He was standing and he was 314 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 naked. And there were these beans, 315 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,720 these kind of they, they were human shape, but they weren't 316 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,920 human. And they had they had a wand 317 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:11,400 that was maybe 14 inches long. It was thin on one end and had a 318 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,320 slight, tiny little bulb on it. And they were like scanning his 319 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,880 arms and they were taking his arms and articulating his wrists 320 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,920 and his and his his shoulder. And I kept thinking, my God, 321 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,160 they're going to really hurt him if they keep doing this. 322 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,200 I remember that thought going through my head. 323 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,640 How long do you believe you were under that control? 324 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,240 Probably 2 1/2, maybe 3 hours. Does it bother? 325 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,000 You when people say that you might be crazy or you might be 326 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,280 making it up. In line. 327 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,360 We've we've. Heard it so many times over the 328 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,640 years. I mean, number one, we have 329 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,960 nothing to gain by this except public ridicule a lot. 330 00:18:53,360 --> 00:19:02,800 But our our goal would be to enlighten, inform, and, you 331 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,640 know, put some type of positive direction on this. 332 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Wow, that was really something. You watch that video and you can 333 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,640 just see the body language of these guys. 334 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,360 They just seem so sincere. And the notion about we talk 335 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:23,200 about putting a radio tag on an animal, you know, I really have 336 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,120 to wonder if these guys didn't have some sort of implant put in 337 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:27,480 them or at least maybe one of them. 338 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Really, really strange stuff. This is just a riveting case. 339 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,200 We'll go ahead and we'll wrap up with this last article talking 340 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:39,040 about this allegation abduction. So here's one last article. 341 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,960 This is from medium.com. Just a great story. 342 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,600 I think even though it's a very frightening story, it says the 343 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,840 allegation alien abductions, unearthly encounters. 344 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,360 This is dated April 25th, 2004. In the summer of 1976, a group 345 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,480 of four friends embarked on a camping trip to the remote 346 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,400 wilderness of Allegash, Maine. What began as a simple retreat 347 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,640 into nature would soon transform into surreal and otherworldly 348 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,080 experience that defied explanation. 349 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,640 This is the story of the allegation. 350 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Alien abductions, unearthly encounters, A night that forever 351 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,560 changed the lives of the men. Charles Fultz, Chuck Rack, Jim 352 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,840 Weiner, and Jack Weiner. Twins. 353 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,680 They were all camping. However, what happened propelled 354 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,200 them into the realm of unexplained phenomena. 355 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,360 And sparking mystery among the seekers of the unknown, what 356 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,760 they saw and experienced that night changed their lives 357 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,880 forever. Not one, but all four were 358 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,600 abducted by strange alien beings. 359 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,320 I'll tell you, these things almost seem to me to be demonic. 360 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,800 The way they look and the way they act. 361 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,440 There's a total disregard and no, no empathy whatsoever. 362 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,120 A disregard for, you know, these peoples, these, these young 363 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:56,280 guys, physical autonomy, their mental well-being, all that out 364 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,920 the window. Like you said, they treated them 365 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,120 just like they were an animal they came here to examine. 366 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,600 Firstly, under the canvas of stars. 367 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,520 It was a beautiful, clear August evening. 368 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,760 Therefore the friends paddled their canoe across the serene 369 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,960 waters of Eagle Lake, leaving behind the familiar world. 370 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,680 The allure of solitude and the beauty of the wilderness 371 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,640 beckoned them further into the heart of the Allegation 372 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,360 Wilderness Waterway, thus far away from the hustle and bustle 373 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,680 of everyday life. Listen, these guys are, these 374 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,600 guys are pretty fearless in my opinion. 375 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,000 They're they're out there, they're having, they're having 376 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,200 fun camping and they're in the middle of nowhere, man. 377 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,960 I imagine it's just pitch black out there other than the 378 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,600 Starlight or maybe whatever moonlight was there and they're 379 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,440 out there paddling the canoe. And the middle of this sounds 380 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,240 like a pretty good sized lake in the middle of the night. 381 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Not something everybody would really be comfortable doing, it 382 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,960 says. Their tranquil camping trip took 383 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,400 an eerie turn when a mysterious luminous object appeared in the 384 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,560 night sky. Hovering over the water, it cast 385 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,600 an otherworldly glow that captivated and unsettled them. 386 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,880 What happened next was beyond their comprehension as they 387 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,760 found themselves inexplicably drawn toward the enigmatic 388 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,560 light. Transitioning to their account 389 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,880 of the encounter, the friends recall their inability to resist 390 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,680 the strange force that seemed to guide them. 391 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,640 Their next memory was of being inside an unidentified flying 392 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,720 object, unable to control their own movements. 393 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,680 This marked the beginning of a night that would haunt them for 394 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,360 the rest of their lives. It's scary stuff, man. 395 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:35,680 Just. I mean, being sucked up into 396 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,960 this craft against your will. I mean, yeah. 397 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,240 Inside the alien craft, the friends underwent a series of 398 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,400 bizarre and invasive medical examinations at the hands of non 399 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,520 human entities. These examinations left them 400 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,120 physically and emotionally scarred, raising questions about 401 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,200 the nature of their captors and the purpose behind these 402 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,000 unsettling procedures. Well, we know the nature of 403 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,760 their captors. Anyone or anything that would do 404 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,480 this is evil. Transitioning to their 405 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,520 recollections, their friends vividly remember their paralysis 406 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,120 that rendered them powerless during the examinations. 407 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,280 The passage of time became hazy as they were subject to scrutiny 408 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,600 by their own unearthly captors. The experience was a traumatic 409 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,720 blend of the inexplicable and the horrifying. 410 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,360 In the wake of their hurrying experience, Charles, Chuck, Jim 411 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,680 and Jack were left with a profound need for answers. 412 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,160 The elegation, alien abductions, unearthly encounters had 413 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,440 irrevocably altered the course of their lives, and they 414 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,800 couldn't ignore the pressing questions that lingered. 415 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,400 They sought guidance of experts, including renowned 416 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,160 hypnotherapist Dr. Benjamin Simon, who conducted hypnotic 417 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,760 regression sessions to journey deeper into their memories. 418 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,040 Under hypnosis, the friends revealed even more astonishing 419 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,360 details about their encounter. They recounted conversations 420 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,880 with their otherworldly captors, describing a strange form of 421 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,040 communication that transcended language. 422 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,360 We hear this all the time. These revelations raised 423 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,120 intriguing questions about the intentions and motivations of 424 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,840 the extraterrestrials beings they had encountered, the 425 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,080 consistency in their accounts under hypnosis for their 426 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,480 credence to their extraordinary story, leaving researchers and 427 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,720 skeptics alike pondering the profound implications of the 428 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,160 allegation. Abductions. 429 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,680 Well, that's a little wordy, but I think we get the point. 430 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,840 These guys were sucked up onto this craft. 431 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,400 They're doing these crazy, painful, very unwanted 432 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,960 procedures on them. They're communicating with them 433 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,520 telepathically. But it's not so much 434 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,880 communication, is it is just them ordering them. 435 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,560 Be calm, don't be afraid, be still making them more 436 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,720 compliant, it says. In conclusion, the allegation 437 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,800 abductions remain an enigmatic chapter in the journals Have 438 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,560 extraordinary encounters that night that forever altered their 439 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,200 lives of Charles Fultz, Chuck Rack, Jim Weiner. 440 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Jack Weiner stance is a testament to the mysterious and 441 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,680 unexplained forces that may exist beyond our comprehension. 442 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,160 Yeah. And then it finishes up a little 443 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,840 bit there. Look, I talked about this case 444 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,320 in part because, you know, we had the hearings today. 445 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,880 You have people like Louis Elizondo and others implying 446 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,680 that they know more than what they can say. 447 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,360 Well, if it's this bad, they should just tell us. 448 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,240 Look, it's bad. You know, you have TomTom Delong 449 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,040 making those comments maybe a few years ago now about how he'd 450 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,640 seen something that had kept him up for three days. 451 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,560 It was so bad. These guys that claim that 452 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,200 they're in the know, these made members of the UFO mafia, if 453 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,840 they have have it on good authority or if they've seen 454 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,600 things like Tom says he has or Louis says he has or I suppose 455 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,800 even David Gresh. And these things are as 456 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,840 dangerous and as evil as these creatures wore that captured 457 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320 these men that we have a right to know. 458 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,280 And as fellow human beings, they could tell us that I think 459 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,280 without violating their oath of secrecy. 460 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,680 And if their oath of secrecy is to cover up the existence of so 461 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,960 wicked and so evil that it would randomly pick people up on a a 462 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,840 waterless lake somewhere, do these tormenting procedures to 463 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,240 them, maybe implant them? I don't know. 464 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,520 I don't know if these guys have ever been implanted. 465 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,520 You know, the one fellow there did say when they were talking 466 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,440 about it was like being abducted by an animal specialist, as if 467 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,960 we went to the North Pole and darted at the polar bear and 468 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,200 then just measured all of its parts and its orifices. 469 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,200 And then one of all spoke up and said, yeah, and put A tag, put a 470 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,360 radio collar on it. Well, maybe these guys have been 471 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,200 tagged and somehow they know it. They're talking about this guy 472 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,480 being bent back in a chair looking like he was in pain. 473 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,880 To me, that's the real key to the whole story is when these 474 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,320 alien abductions happen and then we have implants on top of it. 475 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,720 Well, there's your physical proof. 476 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,280 Just saying that as an aside, this is what bothers me the most 477 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,960 about all these guys that are in the news talking about UFOs. 478 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,560 And I don't care if it's scary, Nolan or Louis Elizondo, 479 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,600 whoever. And they're telling us say no 480 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,880 things. They can't tell us what things 481 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,720 do you know, things like this that we have these very evil, 482 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,320 they appear to be demonic entities out there randomly 483 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,720 abducting people, doing heinous things to them against their 484 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,400 will, inflicting pain on them, possibly implanting some sorts 485 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,040 of trackers in them, Who knows? This is the sort of stuff that 486 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,960 we have to know if we're going to have disclosure. 487 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,000 Then let's just start with the bad stuff, Louis. 488 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,960 Let's just start by you telling us, do you know stories like 489 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,200 this to be true? And how do we prepare for that? 490 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,840 Because some people believe there's a religious component. 491 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,080 There's a whole idea and stories, by the way, where 492 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,360 people have said that they've been abducted by these sayings 493 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,240 and they've spoken the name of Jesus over them. 494 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,200 Or some people just simply say that they resist. 495 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,600 What are the things that we need to do to avoid this happening to 496 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,040 us? And if someone like Louis or 497 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,920 Gary or any of these other guys has that answer, then we deserve 498 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,080 to know because I think they can give us that answer without 499 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,280 jeopardizing national security. Until next time, this is UFO 500 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,400 warning over and out.