Hello and welcome to the podcast UFO warning.
Today, I'd like to talk about a really just what I would call a
solid case. It happened back on October 1st,
1948 and the evening I think was about 9:00 it involved a
gentleman named George Gorman. He was a World War Two pilot, a
Bet he was only 25 years old at the time, but this guy is
rock-solid. There's just no way around about
it. I mean, from all accounts, I
already was a stand-up citizen mr.
Gorman was doing an exercise are in Fargo, North Dakota, that's
where the incident took place at and he was with a National
Guard, Air Group, doing some, doing some kind of routine
exercises. Keep in mind that my not South
Dakota is up on the Northern end of the state toward the Northern
end of the state may be Central. Always a way of it.
There are it's big missile base up there, so there was a good
reason for for, for there to be National Guard, Jetson, are he's
flying, a p-52, was it was an old WWII fighter plane, so,
anyway, they're out doing their little exercise in the evening,
and they are headed back to the airport and Fargo that evening
and George decides that he wants to get some more flight hours in
this more flight time in. So, he gets permission, he was a
lieutenant colonel at the time believed and the rest of guys go
back, I believe there were three of them they lend and is, he's
flying along toward Fargo, he sees what he describes as A
yellow to Orange ball of light. He said that it was clearly
defined. It wasn't fuzzy and wasn't
shooting off raised and he describes as the description,
says, six inches across. So I'm assuming that's how big
it appeared in his windshield. And this is something common
that we see even today about the law of these balls of light
phenomena. They act like they're
intelligently controlled but you know they're impossibly small
for a pilot to be in. It's almost as if they're just
pure energy and so they really fall into the case of a
phenomenon more than an object. Well, he spots this thing and at
the same time, he looks down and he spots.
Couple people. Well, he didn't know there were
two but there was a, there was a Piper Cub bellowing.
So mr. Gorman.
He calls into the air traffic control there in Fargo and there
are two guys in the control tower.
He says Hey I've spotted this. I've spotted this ball of light
thing and he's in pursuit of it and he asked them if they've
seen anything and sure enough. Yes.
Both the men in the tower report that they have in fact seen this
unidentified object. Then he calls in the radio and
they make radio contact with the pilot and the passenger.
In the Cub airplane, at first, I didn't see it, but as the S is
Piper Cub, it's flying other underneath the fighter plane as
they turn around and going to make their approach to land at
Fargo, they do in fact see the same UFO that mr.
Gorman has any report? So now we have four Witnesses
Mr. Gorman. He Continues to pursue this
craft as he describes it. And this thing just a zig zags
all over, he estimates. What that p52 he's in, can go up
to 400, he's flying at speeds up to 400 miles an hour.
He's chasing this thing, this thing's doubling back on him at
one point he has to dive to to keep from hitting it.
He no more than gets his position, back up and turn it
around. And this UFO is coming back at
him from another Direction this time.
He says it just takes her right angle straight up.
In the air, he reports that this thing goes up so fast.
He pulls the stick back. He climbs to 14,000 feet and,
you know, this guy's a WWII fighter pilot, he says, that he
made inclination so hard. He put so many g-forces on
himself that he nearly blacked out, temporarily started to
black out climbs to 14,000 feet in, which is just all this old
warbird could do. And He can't begin to keep up
with the thing. Eventually this goes on for a
little while. I think he was up in the air for
27 minutes, the whole encounter lasted, he gets back down to the
airport, he fills out a report and he draws a diagram because
keep in mind that he is a World War Two combat fighter pilots.
So he's not approaching this like a normal person would I
mean he is remembering every A moment of that encounter he,
right? He does, he writes a diagram?
He creates a diagram explaining, you know, exactly what time that
he came across object. He describes every single
maneuver. He makes the location and the
speeds, and the out in the altitude, everything.
So, when he gets done with his report, he has a comprehensive
eyewitness report, just like he would have written.
If he would have had a dog fight with, you know, will were two
apis area. And that's what he describes it,
as it's known as Norman UFO dogfight, even though there
weren't any shots fired. So he completes the report, the
you have the two eyewitnesses in the tower, they completed
reward. You have the two eyewitnesses in
the Piper Cub. They're both named, they both
come forward, these nothing Anonymous here.
And you also Oh, have two crew members on the ground people
that were their employees, make this employees of the of the
tower at Fargo. So now you have three Pilots to
aircraft controller and to maintenance folks, that all seen
this UFO, this ball of light that mr.
Gorman describes and they all watched him, chases thing
through the air. They observe this dogfight and
they All 100% agree. Are you know on what happened?
All relevant details are agreed to everybody.
Everybody had their own perspective, they might have had
a little difference here and there but they all agree that
this UFO appeared and that it made these impossible turns that
it went at speeds of the estimate up to 2,000 mile an
hour, and it was doing things that were just not humanly
possible. It was doing things that no
machine that that we've created could possibly.
We do. So they've got the Air Force
Base here in Minot, which is to the Northwest, I don't know.
Got to be a couple hundred miles, maybe they send a team
down and they send down guys that are assigned to the sign
team. I believe it was called and they
are a precursor of Blue Book so they take the although
eyewitness testimony. I mean, you've got six reliable.
Witness accounts here and they just, they go through their
weather reports, they go through their radar reports and there's
just, there's just no explanation for it.
So they more or less just come up with the conclusion.
That is unexplained and hey, what's wrong with that?
Well, apparently there's a lot wrong with that because Air
Force, then sends down another team and This time they take
radiation samples from the airplane, that mr.
Gordon flu, and what they taken as before Let me backtrack and
it had come up is a little bit radioactive and they said, well
maybe a bit in contact with something, well, that would make
sense. Because a lot of these UFO
reports when people get near then there are reports are
radioactive radiation contamination, radioactive
poisoning, whatever. And that's what happened with
mr. Grammage airplane.
So, and that, I think that kind of also lent toward them coming
up with the conclusion of unexplained.
So, the second investigation group comes down from the Air
Force. Well, this time, they decide to
they can't, they really can't just dismiss these reports
because these people are too reliable.
So what they do is they come up with the notion that this was a
weather balloon. And they claim that there was
some sort of secret weather balloon operation going on by
the government that they hadn't told anybody about and that mr.
Gorman was simply mistaken when he thought that the weather
balloon was doing all these crazy moves at right.
Eagles. That was just because he was
making those crazy moves at different angles.
And so it created the illusion him that it was a balloon moving
and not himself. Well, this is nuts.
This guy is a WWII fighter pilot veteran, okay?
If he would have been that incompetent, he would have been
shot down before you ever got back to the States.
So, to say that about this guy, to me is just insulting.
And to say that, Two people that the on the ground in the radar
Tower or the two people in the pilot that were not the Piper
Cub, or the, to make the skies. They all thought this was, you
know, a UFO that they were all mistake and they couldn't tell
the difference between weather balloon standing still and
whether an object moving at 2,000 miles an hour, what's
litter Chris and then they also try to explain away the
radiation. Readings on mr.
Gorman's fighter plane and they said well that occurred because
of the altitude. Well this doesn't make sense to
me. I really haven't had time to do
a lot of research on it but in his report his elevation Thief
he was flying at tops out at 14,000 feet.
Well when you consider that you know of your average little
passenger plane could be could be flying at 5 or or 6,000.
Easily and that your average jet airliners cruising that 30 to
40,000 feet. I can't imagine that 14,000 feet
for that short period of time. And remember, he was only at the
14,000 feet as he engaged the craft for just a you know, a few
minutes. I can't even imagine that.
The radiation would would be incurred for that little bit of
time at that, at that altitude. It's it's like with a lot of
these cases. Aces, they just start grasping
for straws. So anyway, the second team came
in the debunkers, they came in which was happens.
A lot of these cases when you have an ironclad case, like this
with great Witnesses, you have great documentation and then
initial investigation will come in and they'll just say well son
explain, which would make sense, but then the debunkers rollout
and they're there, they're there to just completely Massacre
anybody's reputation. Whatever they have to do to make
it look like the UFO phenomenon doesn't exist as a result.
Mr. Gorman from all accounts, and never spoke publicly of this
of this dog fight. Again, he gave his account, he
did his reports, I mean he did everything, you know,
responsible citizen could do. And then when they came in with
a dim with the debunking crew, he just dropped it and they said
that from the articles that I read that he continued on Don is
a career pilot in the Air National Guard there and passed
away in 1988 1982. It's a great.
It's a great case. That's a great story.
It's got some really, really good documentation to it.
Unlike the case that we covered yesterday with the Del Rio
crash. I mean with mr.
Gorman, we know exactly where he was at.
We know what the exact date was his military history.
There's no. Discrepancies about it.
It's just the facts are just right there in the fact that as
a former fighter pilot, he diagrammed out the entire
incident just like you would with if you if he had engaged in
enemy aircraft so that we're able to recreate the scene that
he experienced and then you combine that with multiple
eyewitnesses on, seen the airplane pilots the radar guys,
and the maintenance guys. This to me is just one of the
best cases ever for a UFO sighting.
So there is a, there's a wide upon them with the History
Channel. There's been a couple of really
well, written accounts of it. It's a good read.
Check it out. That's all for.
Now, over and out, you have a warning.
This to me is just one of the best cases ever for a UFO
sighting. So there is a, there's a wide
upon them with the History Channel.
There's been a couple of really well, written accounts of it.
It's a good read. Check it out.
That's all for. Now, over and out, you have a
warning.