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Hello and welcome to the podcast
UFO warning. 

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Today, I'd like to talk about a 
really just what I would call a 

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solid case. 
It happened back on October 1st,

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1948 and the evening I think was
about 9:00 it involved a 

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gentleman named George Gorman. 
He was a World War Two pilot, a 

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Bet he was only 25 years old at 
the time, but this guy is 

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rock-solid. 
There's just no way around about

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it. 
I mean, from all accounts, I 

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already was a stand-up citizen 
mr. 

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Gorman was doing an exercise are
in Fargo, North Dakota, that's 

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where the incident took place at
and he was with a National 

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Guard, Air Group, doing some, 
doing some kind of routine 

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exercises. 
Keep in mind that my not South 

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Dakota is up on the Northern end
of the state toward the Northern

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end of the state may be Central.
Always a way of it. 

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There are it's big missile base 
up there, so there was a good 

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reason for for, for there to be 
National Guard, Jetson, are he's

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flying, a p-52, was it was an 
old WWII fighter plane, so, 

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anyway, they're out doing their 
little exercise in the evening, 

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and they are headed back to the 
airport and Fargo that evening 

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and George decides that he wants
to get some more flight hours in

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this more flight time in. 
So, he gets permission, he was a

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lieutenant colonel at the time 
believed and the rest of guys go

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back, I believe there were three
of them they lend and is, he's 

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flying along toward Fargo, he 
sees what he describes as A 

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yellow to Orange ball of light. 
He said that it was clearly 

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defined. 
It wasn't fuzzy and wasn't 

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shooting off raised and he 
describes as the description, 

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says, six inches across. 
So I'm assuming that's how big 

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it appeared in his windshield. 
And this is something common 

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that we see even today about the
law of these balls of light 

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phenomena. 
They act like they're 

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intelligently controlled but you
know they're impossibly small 

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for a pilot to be in. 
It's almost as if they're just 

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pure energy and so they really 
fall into the case of a 

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phenomenon more than an object. 
Well, he spots this thing and at

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the same time, he looks down and
he spots. 

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Couple people. 
Well, he didn't know there were 

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two but there was a, there was a
Piper Cub bellowing. 

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So mr. 
Gorman. 

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He calls into the air traffic 
control there in Fargo and there

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are two guys in the control 
tower. 

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He says Hey I've spotted this. 
I've spotted this ball of light 

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thing and he's in pursuit of it 
and he asked them if they've 

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seen anything and sure enough. 
Yes. 

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Both the men in the tower report
that they have in fact seen this

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unidentified object. 
Then he calls in the radio and 

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they make radio contact with the
pilot and the passenger. 

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In the Cub airplane, at first, I
didn't see it, but as the S is 

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Piper Cub, it's flying other 
underneath the fighter plane as 

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they turn around and going to 
make their approach to land at 

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Fargo, they do in fact see the 
same UFO that mr. 

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Gorman has any report? 
So now we have four Witnesses 

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Mr. Gorman. 
He Continues to pursue this 

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craft as he describes it. 
And this thing just a zig zags 

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all over, he estimates. 
What that p52 he's in, can go up

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to 400, he's flying at speeds up
to 400 miles an hour. 

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He's chasing this thing, this 
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one point he has to dive to to 
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He no more than gets his 
position, back up and turn it 

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around. 
And this UFO is coming back at 

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him from another Direction this 
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He says it just takes her right 
angle straight up. 

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In the air, he reports that this
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He pulls the stick back. 
He climbs to 14,000 feet and, 

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you know, this guy's a WWII 
fighter pilot, he says, that he 

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made inclination so hard. 
He put so many g-forces on 

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himself that he nearly blacked 
out, temporarily started to 

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black out climbs to 14,000 feet 
in, which is just all this old 

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warbird could do. 
And He can't begin to keep up 

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with the thing. 
Eventually this goes on for a 

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little while. 
I think he was up in the air for

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27 minutes, the whole encounter 
lasted, he gets back down to the

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airport, he fills out a report 
and he draws a diagram because 

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keep in mind that he is a World 
War Two combat fighter pilots. 

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So he's not approaching this 
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mean he is remembering every A 
moment of that encounter he, 

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right? 
He does, he writes a diagram? 

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He creates a diagram explaining,
you know, exactly what time that

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he came across object. 
He describes every single 

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maneuver. 
He makes the location and the 

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speeds, and the out in the 
altitude, everything. 

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So, when he gets done with his 
report, he has a comprehensive 

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eyewitness report, just like he 
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If he would have had a dog fight
with, you know, will were two 

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apis area. 
And that's what he describes it,

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as it's known as Norman UFO 
dogfight, even though there 

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weren't any shots fired. 
So he completes the report, the 

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you have the two eyewitnesses in
the tower, they completed 

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reward. 
You have the two eyewitnesses in

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the Piper Cub. 
They're both named, they both 

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come forward, these nothing 
Anonymous here. 

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And you also Oh, have two crew 
members on the ground people 

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that were their employees, make 
this employees of the of the 

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tower at Fargo. 
So now you have three Pilots to 

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aircraft controller and to 
maintenance folks, that all seen

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this UFO, this ball of light 
that mr. 

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Gorman describes and they all 
watched him, chases thing 

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through the air. 
They observe this dogfight and 

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they All 100% agree. 
Are you know on what happened? 

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All relevant details are agreed 
to everybody. 

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Everybody had their own 
perspective, they might have had

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a little difference here and 
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this UFO appeared and that it 
made these impossible turns that

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it went at speeds of the 
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hour, and it was doing things 
that were just not humanly 

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possible. 
It was doing things that no 

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machine that that we've created 
could possibly. 

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We do. 
So they've got the Air Force 

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Base here in Minot, which is to 
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Got to be a couple hundred 
miles, maybe they send a team 

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down and they send down guys 
that are assigned to the sign 

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team. 
I believe it was called and they

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are a precursor of Blue Book so 
they take the although 

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eyewitness testimony. 
I mean, you've got six reliable.

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Witness accounts here and they 
just, they go through their 

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weather reports, they go through
their radar reports and there's 

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just, there's just no 
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So they more or less just come 
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That is unexplained and hey, 
what's wrong with that? 

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Well, apparently there's a lot 
wrong with that because Air 

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Force, then sends down another 
team and This time they take 

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radiation samples from the 
airplane, that mr. 

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Gordon flu, and what they taken 
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it had come up is a little bit 
radioactive and they said, well 

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maybe a bit in contact with 
something, well, that would make

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sense. 
Because a lot of these UFO 

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reports when people get near 
then there are reports are 

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radioactive radiation 
contamination, radioactive 

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poisoning, whatever. 
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mr. 
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So, and that, I think that kind 
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up with the conclusion of 
unexplained. 

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So, the second investigation 
group comes down from the Air 

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Well, this time, they decide to 

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they can't, they really can't 
just dismiss these reports 

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because these people are too 
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So what they do is they come up 
with the notion that this was a 

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weather balloon. 
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some sort of secret weather 
balloon operation going on by 

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the government that they hadn't 
told anybody about and that mr. 

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Gorman was simply mistaken when 
he thought that the weather 

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balloon was doing all these 
crazy moves at right. 

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Eagles. 
That was just because he was 

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making those crazy moves at 
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And so it created the illusion 
him that it was a balloon moving

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and not himself. 
Well, this is nuts. 

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This guy is a WWII fighter pilot
veteran, okay? 

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If he would have been that 
incompetent, he would have been 

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shot down before you ever got 
back to the States. 

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So, to say that about this guy, 
to me is just insulting. 

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And to say that, Two people that
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Tower or the two people in the 
pilot that were not the Piper 

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Cub, or the, to make the skies. 
They all thought this was, you 

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know, a UFO that they were all 
mistake and they couldn't tell 

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the difference between weather 
balloon standing still and 

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whether an object moving at 
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litter Chris and then they also 
try to explain away the 

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radiation. 
Readings on mr. 

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Gorman's fighter plane and they 
said well that occurred because 

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of the altitude. 
Well this doesn't make sense to 

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me. 
I really haven't had time to do 

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a lot of research on it but in 
his report his elevation Thief 

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he was flying at tops out at 
14,000 feet. 

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Well when you consider that you 
know of your average little 

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passenger plane could be could 
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Easily and that your average jet
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40,000 feet. 
I can't imagine that 14,000 feet

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for that short period of time. 
And remember, he was only at the

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14,000 feet as he engaged the 
craft for just a you know, a few

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I can't even imagine that. 

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The radiation would would be 
incurred for that little bit of 

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time at that, at that altitude. 
It's it's like with a lot of 

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these cases. 
Aces, they just start grasping 

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for straws. 
So anyway, the second team came 

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in the debunkers, they came in 
which was happens. 

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A lot of these cases when you 
have an ironclad case, like this

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with great Witnesses, you have 
great documentation and then 

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initial investigation will come 
in and they'll just say well son

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explain, which would make sense,
but then the debunkers rollout 

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and they're there, they're there
to just completely Massacre 

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anybody's reputation. 
Whatever they have to do to make

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it look like the UFO phenomenon 
doesn't exist as a result. 

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Mr. Gorman from all accounts, 
and never spoke publicly of this

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of this dog fight. 
Again, he gave his account, he 

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did his reports, I mean he did 
everything, you know, 

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responsible citizen could do. 
And then when they came in with 

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a dim with the debunking crew, 
he just dropped it and they said

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that from the articles that I 
read that he continued on Don is

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a career pilot in the Air 
National Guard there and passed 

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away in 1988 1982. 
It's a great. 

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It's a great case. 
That's a great story. 

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It's got some really, really 
good documentation to it. 

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Unlike the case that we covered 
yesterday with the Del Rio 

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crash. 
I mean with mr. 

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Gorman, we know exactly where he
was at. 

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We know what the exact date was 
his military history. 

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There's no. 
Discrepancies about it. 

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It's just the facts are just 
right there in the fact that as 

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a former fighter pilot, he 
diagrammed out the entire 

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incident just like you would 
with if you if he had engaged in

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enemy aircraft so that we're 
able to recreate the scene that 

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he experienced and then you 
combine that with multiple 

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eyewitnesses on, seen the 
airplane pilots the radar guys, 

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and the maintenance guys. 
This to me is just one of the 

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best cases ever for a UFO 
sighting. 

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So there is a, there's a wide 
upon them with the History 

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Channel. 
There's been a couple of really 

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well, written accounts of it. 
It's a good read. 

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Check it out. 
That's all for. 

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Now, over and out, you have a 
warning. 

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This to me is just one of the 
best cases ever for a UFO 

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sighting. 
So there is a, there's a wide 

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upon them with the History 
Channel. 

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There's been a couple of really 
well, written accounts of it. 

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It's a good read. 
Check it out. 

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That's all for. 
Now, over and out, you have a 

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warning.