1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,960 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,160 In this episode, we're looking at Robert Bigelow. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,800 That's correct. Robert Bigelow. 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,360 It's another one of these names that keeps popping up all the 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,200 time in ufology. The whole field really seems to 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,280 seems to be subject to the 7° of separation. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,120 I mean, you talk about one of these guys and seven more names 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,200 pop up. So I thought I'd take a look at 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Robert Bigelow today. If you go to Wikipedia, they 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,800 actually got a pretty decent article, I think written on him 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,360 Tells us that Robert Thomas Bigelow, born May 12th, 1944, is 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,760 an American businessman. He owns Budget Suites of America 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,120 and is a founder of Bigelow Aerospace. 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,120 Pretty wild there. He got a guy that has a hotel 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,520 chain and a aerospace company. Bigelow has provided financial 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,760 support for investigations of UFOs parapsychological topics 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,520 including the continuation of consciousness after death. 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,520 Where's the thought? Bigelow grew up in Las Vegas, 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,720 NV, attended Highland Elementary School, and was first exposed to 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,320 science through a number of nuclear weapons tests conducted 21 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:10,600 at Nevada National Security Site, about 70 miles northwest 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,520 of the city. At age 12, Bigelow decided that 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,280 his future lay in space travel. Despite his limitations in 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,760 mathematics, he resolved to choose a career that would make 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,120 him rich enough that one day he could hire the scientific 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,120 expertise required to launch his own space program. 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,160 He enrolled in the University of Nevada, Reno in 1962, studying 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,760 banking and real estate, and he graduated from Arizona State 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,680 University in 1967. From the late 60s through the 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,640 90s, Bigelow developed commercial real estate, hotels, 31 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,560 motels, and apartments. In his real estate career, 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,680 Bigelow built approximately 15,000 units and purchased 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,800 another 8000. For most of his career, he held 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,680 on to almost everything he bought, but eventually unloaded 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,520 much of his housing stock in the boom years immediately before 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,640 the 2008 crash. In 2013, Bigelow reflected on 37 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,080 this. He says people just really 38 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,759 wanted to throw money away so that was lucky. 39 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:12,400 Bigelow still owns Budget Suites of America, an extended stay 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,560 apartment chain founded in 1987. It caters to budget travelers 41 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:18,400 needing to stay for an extended period. 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Its rooms are primarily suites featuring a full kitchen. 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,640 Budget Suites owns 3 hotels in Phoenix, AZ, Las Vegas, NV, 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Dallas, TX and San Antonio, TX. Now, he tells us, in 1999, 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,600 Bigelow founded Bigelow Aerospace. 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Bigelow had indicated he planned to spend up to $500 million to 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,880 develop the first commercial space station, with the goal of 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,960 the station costing 33% of the 1 1/2 billion that NASA expended 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,240 on a single space shuttle mission. 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:51,920 Think of that. A million and a half dollars for 51 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:53,800 one. A billion and a half dollars for 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,960 one space shuttle mission. Bigelow Aerospace has launched 2 53 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,200 experimental space modules, Genesis One in 2006 and Genesis 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,120 2 in 2007, and it planned for full scale space habitats to be 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,480 used as orbital hotels, research labs and factories. 56 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:13,360 In 2013. Bigelow indicated that the 57 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,600 reason he went into the commercial real estate business 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,040 was to obtain the requisite resources to be able to fund a 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,800 team developing space stations. In October 2017, Bigelow 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,600 announced that he planned to put an inflatable space hotel in 61 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:31,240 orbit by 2022. The plan was part of a 62 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,840 partnership with United Launch Alliance and the project was 63 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,160 estimated to cost $2.3 billion. The cost of a three day stay in 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,840 the special hotel was estimated at 5 million. 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,000 Well, and that's a lot of money for three days. 66 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,600 In April 2016, Bigelow's BEAM module was launched to the 67 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,760 International Space Station on the 8th SpaceX cargo resupply 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,200 mission. On March 2020, Bigelow Aerospace 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,400 laid off all 88 members of staff and halted operations after 20 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,640 years of business in a move that was partially caused by the 71 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,640 coronavirus pandemic. In March 2021, he sued NASA for 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,320 just over $1,000,000, alleging he was not paid according to the 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,160 contract for product testing and development. 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,079 Kind of wonder if some of those products weren't UFO Meta 75 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,040 Material says. In 1995, Bigelow founded the 76 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,000 National Institute for Discovery Science at SNIDS to fund the 77 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,280 research and study of various fringe sciences and paranormal 78 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:34,000 topics, most notably ufology. The organization researched 79 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,040 cattle mutilation and Black Triangle reports, ultimately 80 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,600 attributing the latter to secretive advanced aircraft 81 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,400 operated by the military. The institute was disbanded in 82 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,960 2004. In 1996, Bigelow purchased Skid 83 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,160 and Walker Ranch, A512 acre cattle ranch located in Utah 84 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,040 that is the site of the purported paranormal phenomena 85 00:04:56,280 --> 00:05:01,080 such as interdimensional shape shifters, for $200,000. 86 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,600 In 2016, Bigelow sold the ranch to Brandon Fugel for $4 million. 87 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,800 In December 2017, Bigelow was reported by the New York Times 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,360 to have urged Senator Harry Reid to initiate what became the 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,640 Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a 90 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,400 government study which operated from 2007 to 2012, tasked with 91 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,200 the study of UFOs, According to the New York Times, Bigelow said 92 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,080 he was absolutely convinced that extraterrestrial life exists and 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,880 that extraterrestrials have visited Earth. 94 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,840 In June 2020, Bigelow founded the Bigelow's 2 for 95 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:43,760 Consciousness Studies Bics to support investigations into life 96 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,200 after death. In January 2021, the Institute 97 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,640 put up an award of $1 million asking for essays arguing for 98 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,960 existence of life after death. The Institute awarded the 1st 99 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:02,080 place $500,000 prize to Jeffrey Mishlov, who the 2nd place prize 100 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,480 to PIM Van Lammel and the third prize to Leo Rubiki. 101 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,560 On February 4th, 1965, he married Donna Mona Grammy. 102 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,320 She lived from April 1947 to February 2020. 103 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,680 Born Camden, NJ, they had two children together, Robert 104 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,360 Michael Bobby Bigelow and Rod Lee Bigelow. 105 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,880 In 1992, Rod Lee Bigelow died by suicide, age 24. 106 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,240 In 2011, Robert Bigelow's grandson Rod Lee Bigelow, the 107 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,920 second, died by suicide having suffered from drug addiction. 108 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,600 Diane Bigelow died on February 19th, 2020 of myelodysplastic 109 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,480 syndrome. It's MD's and acute myeloid 110 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,880 leukemia, AML. Well, then it finishes up here. 111 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,480 It says Bigelow has made political donations to 112 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,000 conservative Republican candidates. 113 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Well, I think maybe to Harry Reid too, I don't know. 114 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,200 In July 2022, he donated 10 million to Florida Republican 115 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,840 Governor Don DeSantis, which was the single biggest donation of 116 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:08,080 his re election bid. Bigelow has contributed over $25 117 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,000 million to groups and causes supporting Joe Lombardo's 118 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 candidacy for the Governor of Nevada. 119 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,160 Campaign finance experts believe this may be the most a single 120 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,680 donor has spent on a statewide race in modern history. 121 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,280 In January 2024, he stated in an interview that he had donated to 122 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,520 Donald Trump. Said I gave him $1 million 123 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,080 toward his legal fees. A few weeks ago, I made a 124 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,640 promise to give him 20 million more, and that will be to the 125 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,440 Super PAC. Well, he's an interesting guy. 126 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,360 He's got a lot of money and he's well connected in the UFO arena. 127 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,640 Let's take a look at this next article about Bob Bigelow. 128 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,120 This next article is from Politico. 129 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,520 It's dated December 16th, 2017, titled The Pentagon's Secret 130 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Search for UFOs Funded at the request of Harry Reid, the 131 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,680 program probed a number of encounters military pilots had 132 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,360 with aircraft they believe didn't operate like anything 133 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,360 they had seen before. Now, even those articles a few 134 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,120 years old, I think it's good because it really shows how Bob 135 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,720 Bigelow, employers like him, tie in with this whole deep state 136 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,200 apparatus. I mean, you've got big money 137 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,000 coming in. You've got the federal 138 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,040 government there with all their resources and authority, and 139 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,040 then you got the politics involved and it just kind of 140 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,680 devolves into this mix, this tornado, I think of UFO 141 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,039 research. Nobody really knows where 142 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:34,400 anything is coming from. You don't have the chain of 143 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,600 custody on these things. And then out of that mix, when 144 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,799 these programs seem to shut down or implode, then you have all 145 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,320 these players that come out. Nobody really knows where they 146 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,640 came in. They say I ran the program, 147 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,640 maybe the Pentagon says, no, we don't know who you are. 148 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,840 Then it comes out that they do know who he is. 149 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,520 Like with Julio Elizondo, say what you want, he's got a 150 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,160 picture of himself and Robert Mueller. 151 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,880 They're over in Afghanistan, I think it was. 152 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,840 So they're connected. They're shadowy. 153 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,200 They're all part of this deep state apparatus fuelled by money 154 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,640 and influence from the outside, fuelled by government resources, 155 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,400 money and secrecy from the inside. 156 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,680 And then when these little programs, like I said, implode, 157 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,680 you end up with these people that were actors in these 158 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:20,680 programs just kind of just being discouraged all over the place. 159 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,920 We've got Louis, we've got multiple players, all of them 160 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,360 promising disclosure while they're sworn to secrecy. 161 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Really just crazy stuff. The article starts off as says 162 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,360 the Pentagon, at the direction of Congress a decade ago, 163 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,280 quietly set up a multimillion dollar operation to investigate 164 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,680 what what are popularly known as unidentified flying objects. 165 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,320 UFOs. The unidentified aerial farm I 166 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,200 claim to have been seen by pilots and other military 167 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,400 personnel appeared vastly more advanced than those in American 168 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,400 or foreign arsenals. In some cases, they maneuvered 169 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,040 so unusually and so fast that they seem to defy the laws of 170 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,320 physics, According to multiple sources directly involved in or 171 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,000 briefed on the effort and a review of unclassified Defense 172 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,160 Department and congressional documents. 173 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,600 The Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, whose 174 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,320 existence was not classified but operated with the knowledge of 175 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:25,040 an extremely limited number of officials, was a brainchild of 176 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,120 then Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid, who first secured 177 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,280 the appropriation to begin the program in 2009 with the support 178 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,200 of late Senators Daniel Anyway and Ted Stevens of Alaska Anyway 179 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,560 of Hawaii, two World War 2 veterans who were similarly 180 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:46,320 concerned about the potential national security implications, 181 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,160 the sources involved in the effort said. 182 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,880 The origins of the program, the existence of which the Pentagon 183 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,120 confirmed on Friday, are being revealed publicly for the first 184 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,160 time by political and The New York Times and nearly 185 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,360 simultaneously reports on Sunday. 186 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,080 So another one of these programs nobody wants to talk about, even 187 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,400 though it's not classified. One possible theory behind the 188 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,040 unexplained incidents, according to a former congressional 189 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,120 staffer who described the motivations behind the program, 190 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,240 was that a foreign power, perhaps the Chinese or the 191 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,600 Russians, had developed next generation technologies that 192 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,240 could threaten the United States. 193 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,760 Was this China or Russia trying to do something or do they have 194 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,680 some propulsion system we're not familiar with? 195 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,800 Said a former staffer who spoke with Politico on condition and 196 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,920 an enemy. The revelation of the program 197 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,880 could give a give a credibility boost to UFO theorists who have 198 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,360 long pointed to public accounts by military pilots and others 199 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,200 describing a phenomena that defy obvious explanation. 200 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,000 And can fuel demands for increased transparency about the 201 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,320 scope and findings of the Pentagon effort, which focuses 202 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,400 some of its inquiries into sci-fi sounding concepts like 203 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,120 wormholes and warp drives. The program also drafted a 204 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,720 series of what the office referred to as queried and 205 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,520 verified event under evaluation. QUEU reports which pilots and 206 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,320 other personnel who had reported encounters were interviewed 207 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,000 about their experiences. Reed initiated the program, 208 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,040 which ultimately spent more than $20 million through an earmark, 209 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:33,680 after he was persuaded in part by aerospace Titan and hotel 210 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:38,960 chain founder Bob Bigelow, a friend and fellow Nevadan who 211 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,400 owns Bigelow Aerospace, a space technology company, and 212 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,160 government contractor Bigelow, whose company received some of 213 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,880 the research contracts. Well, that's interesting. 214 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,960 You start a department from you, Harry, and then kick back some 215 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,400 of those programs to me. That'd be nice. 216 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,000 Yeah, sure. How much money am I getting from 217 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,400 you for RE election? Well, let's see. 218 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,320 Bigelow, whose company received some of the research contracts, 219 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,640 was also a regular contributor to Reed's RE election campaigns. 220 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Campaign finance records show at least $10,000 from the 1998 to 221 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,880 2008. Bigelow has spoken openly in 222 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,480 recent years about his views that extraterrestrial visitors 223 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,000 frequently travel to Earth. He also purchased the Skinwalker 224 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,120 Ranch in Utah, the subject of intense interest among believers 225 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,480 and UFOs. Reed and Bigelow did not respond 226 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,960 to multiple requests for comment. 227 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,800 According to a Pentagon official, the ATIP program was 228 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:45,840 ended in the 2012 time frame, but it has recently attracted 229 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,800 attention. Remember those articles from 230 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,720 2017 because of the resignation in early October of Louis 231 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,200 Elizondo, the career intelligence officer? 232 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:03,280 Louis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer who ran the 233 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,720 initiative. In his resignation letter 234 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,560 addressed to Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Mad Dog 235 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:13,800 Mattis, Elizondo said the efforts of his program were not 236 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,080 being taken sufficiently seriously. 237 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,760 The Pentagon official could not confirm Mattis had actually seen 238 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,240 the letter. We tried to work within the 239 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,120 system, Elizondo told Politico in a recent interview. 240 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,160 We were trying to take the voodoo out of voodoo science. 241 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,360 Well, wait a minute. And he's telling Ross Colthart 242 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,960 that there was this small fanatical group of Christians 243 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,560 that weren't letting him look at stuff and were keeping him from 244 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,720 investigating UFOs because they thought these things were 245 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,600 demonic. And meanwhile, they were afraid 246 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,800 that there was another group kind of higher at the food chain 247 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,200 that was Privy to all this information and that was 248 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,120 actually communicating with these things outside the normal 249 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,400 chains of command. And that's what Louis says in 250 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,960 his interview. Even so, the colons elite, these 251 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,280 fanatical Christians, they're the ones that got him out of 252 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,640 here. But that's not what we're 253 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,160 hearing here. Here, he says, we tried to work 254 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,520 within the system. We were trying to take the 255 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,200 voodoo out of voodoo science. Yeah. 256 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,960 He describes scores of unexplained sightings by Navy 257 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,320 pilots and other observers of aircraft with capabilities far 258 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,160 beyond what is currently considered aerodynamically 259 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,200 possible. The sightings, Elizondo told 260 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,480 political, were often reported in the vicinity of nuclear 261 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,160 facilities, either ships at sea or power plants. 262 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,800 We had never seen anything like it. 263 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,840 But in his view, military leadership did not appear 264 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,880 alarmed by the potential threat. If a Russian Bear bomber comes 265 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,640 in near California, it is all over the news, he said. 266 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,920 These are coming in the skies over our facilities. 267 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,600 Nothing but crickets. Shortly after his resignation, 268 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Elizondo was listed as one of the key players in a for profit 269 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:11,440 company called Wait For It to the Starz Academy of Arts and 270 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Sciences Co, founded by Tom Delong and entertainment mogul 271 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,080 and former guitarist and vocalist for the rock band Blink 272 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,000 182. An April 2016 profile of Delong 273 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,160 and Rolling Stone magazine described his fascination with 274 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,800 theories about extraterrestrial space travel as an obsession. 275 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,080 I was certainly obsessed about getting the Tic Tac videos 276 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,760 posted on his Academy website with his Waterlog watermark 277 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,440 rather all over it. In a video advertising the 278 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,680 company, Delong describes to the stars as a public benefit 279 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,440 corporation, and whatever that means, that has mobilized a team 280 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,520 of the most experienced, connected and passionately 281 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,960 curious minds from the US intelligence community, 282 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,720 including the CIA Department of Defense, who have been operating 283 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,599 under the shadows of top secrecy for decades. 284 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:15,560 OK, the most experienced, connected and passionately 285 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,000 curious just happened to come from the CIA and the DoD. 286 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Yeah, that makes sense. The founders say they believe 287 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,880 there is sufficient credible evidence of UAP, unidentified 288 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:33,200 aerophenomena that proves exotic technologies that exist that 289 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,040 could revolutionize the human experience. 290 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,360 And then the article kind of goes on down here a little bit, 291 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,560 talks a little bit about Chris Mellon, a little bit more about 292 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,120 the A Tip program here. It says the Pentagon's A Tip 293 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:48,960 program marked a 21st century effort to replicate some of the 294 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,520 decades of inconclusive research undertaken by the Pentagon in 295 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,120 the 50s and 60s to try to explain thousands of reported 296 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:00,920 sightings of unidentified flying objects or UFOs by military and 297 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,160 civilian pilots and the average citizens, particularly in effort 298 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,080 known as Project Blue Book, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 299 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,640 And the article kind of devolves into there. 300 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,920 I think the important thing to take from this article is that 301 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,480 we see that Bob Bigelow was right there at the very 302 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,880 beginning. He's had a lifelong curiosity 303 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,240 with this stuff. And then he was the one that got 304 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,880 read to go ahead and get the ATAP program started. 305 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,200 Weird stuff. It's these guys. 306 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,880 It's the same players over and over and over again. 307 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,120 Now I want to go and take a look at a look at another art. 308 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,920 They're kind of expanding on Bob Bigelow and his role in all this 309 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:42,760 UFO stuff. Now I want to look at this last 310 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,000 article because I think they at least try to tie this whole 311 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,120 thing together with Bob Bigelow, Harry Reid, Louis Elizondo, and 312 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:52,000 Tom Delong. The article is again from 313 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,080 political.com. It says how Harry Reid, a 314 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:59,120 terrorist interrogator and the singer from Blink 182, took UFOs 315 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:01,360 mainstream. The hidden history of how 316 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,960 Washington embraced her fringe field of science. 317 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,640 Written by Brian Bender, again dated 5/28/21. 318 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,600 The meetings began in 1995 at a conference room in an office 319 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760 tower near the Las Vegas airport. 320 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,000 The group started small. There were a handful of 321 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,280 scientists and engineers. There was ACIA spy. 322 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,040 There was a former Army Colonel and two Apollo astronauts, and 323 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,720 there was a person who had hand picked the group and invited 324 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,080 them to Las Vegas. Robert Bigelow, a Nevada real 325 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,000 estate magnate. He wanted to talk about aliens. 326 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,080 Bigelow, just turning 50 at the time, had made enough money as a 327 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,760 commercial developer opening budget motels across the 328 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,760 Southwest that he could finally indulge the fascination with 329 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,680 UFOs that dated back years to a close encounter his grandparents 330 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,680 had experienced and told him about when he was three years 331 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,520 old. He dubbed the group, somewhat 332 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,600 grandly, the National Institute for Discovery Science. 333 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,960 NIDS, as it took shape and those Las Vegas meetings, was mainly 334 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,160 interested in two topics, UFOs and consciousness after death. 335 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,400 Its members were experts who had gotten used to having their 336 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,440 interests disrespected by their peers. 337 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,360 The group's Co founder was John Alexander. 338 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,640 A retired Army officer who worked at Los Alamos National 339 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,640 Laboratory in New Mexico and it published books and articles on 340 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,280 various aspects of Ufology and the paranormal. 341 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,040 Another was Hal Puthoff, an engineer and self-described 342 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,640 parapsychologist. While at the Stanford Research 343 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,840 Institute in the 1970s and 80s had carried out top secret 344 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,640 experiments for the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency on 345 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,240 remote viewing, or using the human mind to sense objects or 346 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,720 events far away. One of the professors at 347 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,360 Stanford thought that was all nonsense. 348 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:49,520 He said he wouldn't let his kids play with my kids because of 349 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,040 what I was doing. Now Hal Puthoff is the guy that 350 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,040 Louis talked about many times with remote viewing and he's all 351 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,040 over this UFO thing, goes on and says collectively. 352 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,240 The group, which also attracted former astronauts Ed Mitchell, 353 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,280 an avowed ufologist, and Harrison Schmitt, who had also 354 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,680 served as AUS senator from New Mexico a decade later, didn't 355 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,760 fret too much about the reputational risk of of talking 356 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,640 openly about whether the government had captured an alien 357 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,880 or retrieved a crashed spacecraft. 358 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,800 For them. That was the point of being 359 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,240 there. There was one person at those 360 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,960 meetings, however, who did have something to lose by attending 361 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,120 Harry Reid, then serving his second term as AUS Senator from 362 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,800 Nevada. Reed had been introduced to 363 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,480 Bigelow by a well known Nevada TV journalist named George 364 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Knapp. Are you starting to see the 7° 365 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720 of separation here, who had written extensively on the 366 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,760 subject of UFOs over the years and had recently secured some 367 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,160 Russian government documents purporting to shed light on the 368 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,800 topic? Knapp knew from covering Reed's 369 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,560 career that the Senator had a curiosity about the subject. 370 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,080 Reed accepted Bigelow's invitation, but not before 371 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,720 making clear to that his participation, the patient must 372 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,520 remain a secret. Now, I've honored that agreement 373 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,160 for the past quarter century. Until Reed recounted his odyssey 374 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,080 in detail over a series of interviews with me in recent 375 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,040 months. This guy named Bigelow is doing 376 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,840 an event at his conference room and has been inviting a bunch of 377 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,840 people to talk about these unidentified flying objects, 378 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,240 Reed told me in a recent interview. 379 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,640 He had some people with some weird ideas, not scientific, a 380 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,600 few oddballs. I listened to some of their 381 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,600 presentations. That's how I got started. 382 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,960 In its way, Reed's decision to fraternize with the group was as 383 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,200 professionally reckless as anything that might have been 384 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,840 happening outside on the Vegas Strip. 385 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,720 Reed, then 55, had aspirations to lead the Democratic Party. 386 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,600 The stuff being discussed around him was pop culture shorthand 387 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,200 for pure nuttiness. I had my staff. 388 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,720 I had lots of people who said you're going to get yourself in 389 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,880 trouble, stay the hell away from that, Reed told me. 390 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,920 A lot of people said it would ruin my career. 391 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,360 Over the next few years, Reid told me, he went to multiple 392 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,680 such meetings. As Bigelow, Alexander and the 393 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,840 others were publishing obscure journal articles and compiling a 394 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,320 database of UFO sightings. The most influential member of 395 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,360 the group quietly broached the topic with some of his 396 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,240 colleagues in Washington, including former astronaut and 397 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,640 senator John Glenn. Reid ultimately enlisted the 398 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,120 support of a handful of powerful committee chairs, including Ted 399 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:31,280 Stevens of Alaska and Daniel Anyway of Hawaii to fund hush 400 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,760 hush UFO research inside the Defense Department. 401 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,200 The existence of that program was revealed publicly by 402 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,320 political and The New York Times in mid-december 2017. 403 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,960 One of the program's main beneficiaries was an aerospace 404 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,880 company owned by none other than Robert Bigelow. 405 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,920 Next month, the Director of National Intelligence, acting at 406 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,080 the behest of Republican Senator Marco Rubio, is scheduled to 407 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,840 release a report that collects from across the ground at all 408 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,800 relative material on what officials now call unidentified 409 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,600 aerial phenomena. Of course, we know this article 410 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,600 is 3 years old. Regardless of what ultimately 411 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,480 emerges in this report, as we know, not much. 412 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,320 Whether it's a trove of blockbuster reveals or a 413 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,920 disappointing that I would have to go with the dead part, the 414 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,880 mere prospect has catalyzed a wave of mainstream coverage of 415 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,640 government UFO research from The New Yorker to 60 Minutes. 416 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,720 A bewildering and still highly controversial subject has 417 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,280 achieved a surprising level of public respectability as a 418 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,040 national security concern. Reid had retired by the time his 419 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,280 secret role in the program was revealed, but his willingness to 420 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,880 talk openly now about the subject speaks to a profound 421 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,680 change in the calculus of political and reputational risk. 422 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,000 Far from a blot on his career, Reid sees it as a line to 423 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,160 highlight on his legislative resume, and he has no regrets 424 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,680 about Bigelow benefiting from the program. 425 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240 I think I have opened the door to people not being afraid to 426 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,080 talk about it, Reid now says. I know that when I first got 427 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280 involved in this, people in the military were afraid to mention 428 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,120 it for fear of hurting their promotions. 429 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,120 But now the Pentagon has told them they should report all 430 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,520 these things that they see that are unusual. 431 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,040 So we made a tremendous amount of progress. 432 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,560 Yeah. I just wonder how how real they 433 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,960 are on that. And just three years since the 434 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,760 existence of the Pentagon UFO office was made public, the 435 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,880 federal government has become increasingly less cagey about a 436 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,800 subject that was mocked as observed and fearless taboo. 437 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,280 YouTube is now filled with cockpit videos from military 438 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,520 pilots that some verified by the Kentagon of strange encounters 439 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,320 with objects that seem to defy known laws of aerodynamics. 440 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,040 I don't know about. Filled with just this month, a 441 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,000 video taken by the USS Omaha off the California coast in 2019 442 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,040 shows an identified spherical aircraft hovering over the water 443 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,960 before disappearing beneath the waves. 444 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Even Barack Obama has spoken recently about encounters we 445 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560 can't explain. I think they meant to say 446 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,520 unidentified spherical aircraft. And it goes on. 447 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,920 It says the quarter century saga, stretching from Harry 448 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,240 Reid's first attendance at one of Bigelow's NIDS meetings to 449 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,160 the forthcoming release of once secret documents to know where 450 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,840 those are at, offers a modern case study and how marginalized 451 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720 ideas can make their way into the mainstream. 452 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,800 Last summer, after a series of classified briefings for 453 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,240 Congress, including Navy pilots giving direct testimony 454 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,840 depending on announced it was creating the Unidentified Aerial 455 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,560 Phenomena Task Force to improve its understanding of and gain 456 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,080 insight into the nature and origins of Uaps. 457 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,880 Yeah, we know how that's gone nowhere. 458 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,640 In a recent public forum, the Navy's top officer said the 459 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,080 military now has a well established process in place to 460 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,320 collect the data and to get to a separate repository for 461 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,880 analysis. More nonsense. 462 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,560 The Pentagon's internal watchdog announced this month that it is 463 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,160 launching its own evaluation to determine the extent to which 464 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,520 the DoD has taken actions regarding unidentified aerial 465 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,200 phenomena. Of course, we know that all came 466 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240 up with a big giant goose egg. 0. 467 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720 As far as they're concerned, there are no aliens or 468 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,040 spacecraft or anything like that. 469 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,760 Other public and private entities are embracing a subject 470 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,240 that once would have been fatal to their institutional 471 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080 credibility. What if invisible aliens exist 472 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,680 among us, already here, but some unseen about human eyes? 473 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,880 Ask a recent blog post from the Northrop Grumman, one of the 474 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,320 Pentagon's largest contractors and a bastion of corporate 475 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,520 orthodoxy. Do aliens exist? 476 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,560 Ask another. Scientists wonder if 477 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,360 extraterrestrial life has visited Earth. 478 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,360 It can sound like a cheesy trailer for a History Channel 479 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,000 documentary, except the scientists are referring to are 480 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,680 working at some of the nation's most elite schools. 481 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,120 Well, you have to wonder, and the article kind of goes down a 482 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:53,200 little bit, talks a little bit more about the type of work kind 483 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,720 of going on with journalists. And then then it says here it 484 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,360 says if Robert Bigelow and Harriet Reid were the publicity 485 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:03,200 shy backstage benefactors of modern ufology, Tom Delong would 486 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,240 be its front man. Delong, now a 45, was a founding 487 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,800 member of the pop punk band Blink 182, which had a string of 488 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,640 earworm hits in the 90s and early 2000s. 489 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,440 Delong had been fixated on UFO since his youth, but it wasn't 490 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,400 until around 2015, when he left the band that he decided to do 491 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400 something about it. He wanted to force the 492 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,320 government to disclose what it knew, and he began recruiting a 493 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,080 team he felt he needed to do it. I don't know how he's forced 494 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,960 anybody to disclose anything when every person he's acting 495 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,640 with is pretty much a government insider. 496 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,760 They didn't take long for the long to emerge as a public 497 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,520 figure in UFO LG circles. In 2016, WikiLeaks got ahold of 498 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,960 emails that showed him communicating with former White 499 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,760 House Chief of Staff John Podesta, a confidant of then 500 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,640 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. 501 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,440 In one e-mail from 2015, Delong offered to introduce Podesta, 502 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,000 the ultimate Washington insider, to a pair of A level officials 503 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,840 to discuss our sensitive topic. Not long ago, I visited Delong 504 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,040 at his office in a renovated garage a few blocks from the 505 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,280 beach at Encinitas neighborhood of San Diego. 506 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,880 The space was cluttered with the guitars and the other musical 507 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,360 memorabilia, but at least half of the decor was devoted to his 508 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360 other obsession. It's so gnarly, said Delong, who 509 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,960 still sounds like the California skateboarder of his youth. 510 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,880 There's more to all this. I I personally learned something 511 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,560 where I didn't sleep for three nights. 512 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,960 Hanging on Delong's wall was what might be considered the 513 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320 medals he's collected in his struggle, a display case filled 514 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,840 with dozens of commemorative coins from his meetings with 515 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,560 generals and aerospace contractors and secret 516 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,480 government agencies. They traced his visits to the 517 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,600 CIA, to the US Navy, to the Advanced Development Programs 518 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,440 division of Lockheed Martin's famously secretive skunk work in 519 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,520 Southern California, where some of the world's most advanced spy 520 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,600 planes were designed. That's amazing. 521 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,680 So we're going to get disclosure from these guys. 522 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,240 You can just almost carve out a straight line from Bob Bigelow 523 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,120 to Harry Reid to Louis Lozano to Tom Delong, to all these 524 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,680 different heads of these aerospace companies, to these 525 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000 major players in these deep state intelligence agencies. 526 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,120 There's no end to it. And it seems like Bob Bigelow is 527 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,760 a self-made man, seems like a decent guy, came into a lot of 528 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,720 money, use that money to try to leverage satisfying his 529 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,600 curiosity a little bit, but really kind of got sucked into 530 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,160 this whole world of UFO celebrities, or the UFO mafia, 531 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,680 as I call them. What a tangled what we weave. 532 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,760 Until next time. This is UFO warning over and 533 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:46,960 out.