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Hello, and welcome to podcast 
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A warning today, I like to take 
a quick look at the Brown 

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Mountain Lights, the Brown 
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of lights, or what commonly 
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that appear in and around the 
Brown Mountain down there, in 

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North Carolina, it's in the 
Pisgah national forest and it's 

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right along the edge of the 
Smoky Mountains down through 

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there or the Blue Ridge 
Mountains rather. 

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This has been going on for some 
time and it's quite an 

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interesting phenomenon actually,
and it's an interesting area. 

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Lots of paranormal experiences 
down there and the Blue Ridge 

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Mountains, and this particular 
mountains stretches, as part of 

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the Appalachian Mountain, the 
stretches, all the way from 

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Georgia clure, North up into the
Northeastern United States. 

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If you see on the map, not 
mountains, like the Rocky 

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Mountains, they're older worn 
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like a wave upon wave of That 
with the tops kind of worn down 

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and they're real neat to look 
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You can see plenty of pictures 
am online their forested with 

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typical. 
Northern Hardwoods. 

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Lots of mountains dreams, just a
absolutely beautiful area. 

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You have the Blue Ridge 
Mountains that run through 

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there. 
You have, What's called the Blue

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Ridge Parkway, which is a, which
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through there too. 
It's a, it's a scenic route and 

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all kinds of national parks 
National Forest just a really 

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cool place. 
Base, were some really cool 

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things have happened. 
Now, the Brown Mountain itself. 

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It's, it's a mountain, it's has 
a, it has an elevation of about 

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2,300 feet, I believe. 
And the way most people see it 

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is, they go along those, this 
highway, the Blue Mountain, the 

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Blue Mountain Parkway, and they 
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I look at area where you can 
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literally, and you had a little 
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feet, and you can look out over 
this Ridge. 

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This and you can see there in 
the, not too far distance. 

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You can see the Brown Mountain 
and it's a more or less about a 

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mile and a half long kind of a 
flat top Mountain. 

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You can see its distinctive, you
can see it there in the distance

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and in this area, there's all 
kinds of mountains around and of

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course and gorgeous. 
But in this area you can see all

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kinds of this light phenomenon 
for better term. 

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It looks like Globes or ball 
lightning that intermittently 

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not particularly in, but they'll
you'll see him sometimes night. 

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Right, these lights will pop up,
sometimes they'll be a lot of 

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them sometimes, one or two and 
these Globes of light will rise 

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up from the ground and it 
appears and float, you know, One

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Direction or another across 
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little Maneuvers really, very 
strange. 

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Very neat. 
Looking thing. 

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Now, this phenomenon has been 
going on for a long time. 

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I reportedly back in, they can 
trace the archaeologists, at 

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least back to 1200 ad. 
They have reports that The I 

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believe was a Cherokee and 
Choctaw live down there and they

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fought quite a few battles over 
this particular area. 

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And the old medieval Legends say
that as many of the, the Indian 

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Braves would be killed in battle
their wives and mothers to come 

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out after the battle with their 
lanterns and try to find them in

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the dead and wounded and carry 
him off. 

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And then the native folklore 
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Those are the lights of these 
long dead in didn't ended 

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maidens that came out there to 
try to find They're dead and 

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wounded and husbands and Sons. 
And you know that's that's their

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idea of what's going on there. 
But it shows that this 

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phenomenon has been occurring 
for a very long time and we can 

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trace it back to historical 
times under President George 

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Washington, George Washington, 
sent a team down there to survey

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the area shortly after he became
president and what they reported

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when they got down there, they 
reported the lights to them. 

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There were these Already Globes 
were ball, lightning, whatever 

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you want to call up, floating up
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and drifting off, one way or 
another making strange Maneuvers

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and they reported this. 
And now at the time I can't see 

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where they were debunked or made
fun of or I will turn into 

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social outcasts. 
They would just they just said 

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this is what we saw, they 
reported it and it was left that

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it was unexplained phenomenon. 
Now in 1913 I believe it was 

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September, 24th is reported 
account was considered I think 

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pretty good account. 
Ain't a people seeing these 

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light phenomenon again and they 
reported it. 

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And by this time the Pisgah 
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established, bunch of land down 
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Vanderbilts have been turned 
over to the government, sold, or

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whatever. 
And the government was, was fast

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building up this National Park 
system that we have today where 

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we have this Smoky Mountains and
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stretch all the way from down in
Georgia core up into you know in

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Northeastern United States when 
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It's all part of this system so 
that was beginning to be 

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developed back then. 
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was naturally, curious about 
this phenomenon has been 

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reported. 
And now that this was a National

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Force, the government had the 
authority and they had a reason 

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to investigate. 
So this is 1913 and they sent 

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down a couple debunkers. 
I would even bother to call them

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investigators. 
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the only thing people had seen 
was locomotive you going through

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there because I guess there was 
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through that area. 
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feet above the forest, floor is 
beyond me, but that was the 

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explanation. 
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It was nothing but the headlamp 
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Well, two years later 1915, the 
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track and everything, no train 
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But this time the government 
debunkers decided that it was 

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headlights. 
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would have been that many in 
1915 that it was people carrying

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lanterns. 
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to report another another train 
engine headlight which I don't, 

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I don't even know how you could 
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If there's no train track, but 
it was pretty clear, they were 

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just down to debunk. 
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the reports of these lights has 
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intermittently over the years. 
People have taken pictures of 

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them, and of course, a lot of 
the doubters and debunkers, have

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claimed, you know, that 
photographs for fakes hoax, 

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whatever. 
But there are plenty of people 

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on the record that have actually
had some pretty close up. 

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Experience with these lights, 
there was a, an experience and 

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experience with a couple Park 
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I have the video posted that 
seen the lights up. 

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Up close. 
They described Elijah rising up 

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in the ridge moving back and 
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No explanation. 
There's also an astronomer down 

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there from one of the 
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He's a lot of really good 
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recently they have taken some 
pretty high quality pictures and

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you can see the pictures were 
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a ridge, overlooking out over 
the outer, the rolling mountains

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and overlooking Brown Mountain. 
Just looks like little Camp 

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fires almost, but they're not 
can't fire. 

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It's a little balls of light and
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valley. 
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They've got video, some 
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balls of light, rising up out of
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Mountain or the Brown Mountain, 
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it's pretty indisputable, and 
there's some good, there's some 

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good research has been done on 
it, some of the, some of the 

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look ports, they'll send a look 
reporter down and they'll do 

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some good research, but they're 
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that with most of your local 
reporting, they've always got to

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throw on a little debunking line
at the very end and try to make 

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fun of anybody who would think 
that this could be possibly a 

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paranormal or UFO phenomenon and
one of the things I noticed that

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I thought was really kind of 
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of these news reports you'll 
watch and I've been through a 

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few of them. 
They go through the history, the

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Brown Mountain phenomenon and 
it's very interesting and they 

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do cover the part about the 
Native Americans, which we've 

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all covered. 
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Native Americans, folklore, that
the lights are of, you know, 

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long-dead native women out 
looking for their men, you know,

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the news reporter. 
He relays the story in hushed 

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tones and reverence because the 
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insult the Native American 
population and that's fine. 

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But if the interview See who's 
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and they bring up the notion 
that this could possibly be some

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kind of paranormal phenomenal, 
phenomena or UFO. 

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Phenomena, they immediately 
break into laughter. 

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They start making jokes about 
UFO and little green man. 

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And actually, it's kind of 
obnoxious, when you see this as 

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many times as I have, as you 
research these stories, you have

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to wonder if these news 
reporters, are they just that 

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scared of the afraid of the 
nose? 

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Ocean of paranormal or UFO 
phenomena or are they actually 

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being paid by somebody to put 
this nonsense out there? 

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We've all seen the UFOs Shore as
we've all seen how they act 

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toward UFO researchers and when 
you put that into context, 

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there's a couple of videos out 
there were, somebody has taken a

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new story like that whatever the
current news story is and 

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they've downloaded 15 or 20 
local news reports on that story

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and the reports are verb. 
Them exact same thing. 

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It's like when they talk about 
fake news, it's like it's all 

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except all the even the local 
news is manufactured somewhere 

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to Big warehouse and then just 
spoon fed to us. 

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And that's the thing I run into 
you over and over again, with 

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these UFO, phenomena of space, 
there's something like Brown 

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Mountain. 
This is no one's trying to to 

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claim it's a specific thing but 
it is a very interesting 

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phenomena or these lights 
appear, they energy plasma, 

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whatever people have reported, 
this phenomena occurring that 

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area even in parking, lots So 
people are having experiences 

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with it up close and people are 
having experiences with it at a 

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distance but even it seems like 
a common thing as you watch the 

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news coverage because it's in a 
National Park area National 

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Forest. 
When you watch local news cover,

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this phenomena, a 
well-documented phenomenon, they

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aren't able to just cover it and
leave it as an unexplained 

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phenomena. 
They have to always bring up the

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angle. 
Could it be UFOs? 

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Could it be a lie? 
Could it be paranormal and then 

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try to debunk that notion? 
They're creating a strong man. 

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They're debunking it. 
They're making fun of it and 

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they're trying to make the 
notion that people who think 

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UFOs or paranormal phenomena are
possible, are somehow crazy. 

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So that's the angle that I 
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Lots of good stuff out there in 
this particular area of the of 

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the country at there in the Blue
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It's part of the Appalachians, 
there is so much. 

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Cool. 
Paranormal type stuff, that's 

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been reported, everything from 
alien, abductions to Bigfoot to 

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the Kentucky Lizard, Man. 
Lots of really fun stuff and 

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here right in the dead center of
all that, you know, paranormal 

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phenomenon, that UFO phenomena 
sets, Brown Mountain with these 

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lights. 
So it really has to make a 

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person wonder. 
Is it a natural phenomenon 

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somehow that's creating ball 
lightning or as you're something

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else? 
That's really going on there 

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that we We just can't put her 
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Well, that's all for today, over
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