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Hello and welcome to the program
UFO warning in this episode were

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talking about when UFOs attack, 
that's correct when UFOs attack 

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now. 
The sports article comes to us 

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from kare11.com written by Chris
her apps. 

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Key dated August 4th 2021 title 
says Minnesota's. 

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Most notorious UFO sighting 
remains a mystery for decades 

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later. 
Because launches a sheriff's, 

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deputy and counters, a hovering 
light still unexplained. 

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This is from Warren Minnesota. 
Now, this is clear up in the 

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Northwest part of Minnesota, 
even north of Fargo Clover on 

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the western edge of the state 
near North Dakota that's 

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relevant, because that's where 
our next case comes from. 

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Now, it says, UFOs are getting a
ton of attention lately after a 

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recent Pentagon report admits to
unexplained aerial phenomena, 

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but government can Lane it turns
out what's widely believed to be

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among the most significant UFO 
sightings ever happened right 

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here in Minnesota August 27th. 
1979 in Warren Minnesota about 

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20 miles from the North Dakota 
border border Marshall County 

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Sheriff's. 
Deputy Val Johnson was on patrol

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early in the morning on Highway 
5. 

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When you saw bright light to the
south on Highway 220 Johnson 

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thought, maybe a crisis Mi or 
downplaying, but as he 

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approached it, he said Light 
instantly jumped through the 

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windshield, hitting him like a 
200-pound pillow knocking, him 

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out. 
Now that had to be a frightening

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experience because like a lot of
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If you've seen a UFO near a 
highway, the first thing your 

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brain does is start to try to 
reason things out. 

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What's that light? 
I mean, could it be an able? 

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And it's going to be a 
evacuation helicopter, some sort

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of a police car. 
Are a wreck and I'm sure those 

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were things that were going 
through his mind. 

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It says his reaction was 
preserved in the actual radio 

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call to dispatch when he awoke 
and it goes to follow us. 

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It says the dispatch operator. 
407. 

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What is your condition? 
Deputy Johnson? 

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I don't know, something. 
Just hit my car, dispatch. 

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What's your condition? 
Are you? 

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Okay, Johnson, something. 
Attacked my car. 

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I heard the glass breaking and 
the locks. 

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The brakes locked up. 
I don't know. 

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What's going on? 
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Office, investigative reports 
Johnson's wristwatch and the 

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clock. 
On the 1977, Ford LTD Cruiser 

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stopped working for 14 minutes. 
Johnson said, his teeth were 

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fractured at the gum line and 
his eyes burned. 

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My eyes were extremely painful 
as if I've been subject to 

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something like an arc welder 
burn or something. 

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So, Johnson during an interview 
on the 1980 TV show, that's 

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incredible because story and 
injuries. 

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Justify the nation. 
But there's another piece of 

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evidence that still brings the 
curious to the Marshall County 

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Historical Society Museum, the 
squad car damage and all this is

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the big thing. 
They come to see said Cheryl 

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Meyer Cheryl admire director of 
the Marshall County Historical 

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Society while showing us the 
actual damage to the squad car. 

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Now, if you look at the pictures
of this online or they've got a 

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short video on this site. 
You see the car that headlight 

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smashed out a dent on the roof? 
And what's really gets my 

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Tension is the antennas that are
bent over. 

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It's like somebody just took a 
pair of vise, grips, and bent 

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these steel antanas. 
Over of course, you know, Back 

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in 77 had these big long 
Whiplash to antenna on top and 

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then one of the back, both these
hard steel antanas just bent 

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over whatever hit him. 
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and up here, there is a weird 
debt. 

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On top of the hood, broke the 
windshield, hit the reflector 

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and bent both of the antenna. 
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1979, brought out experts from 
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Company, to examine the damage 
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I have not seen anything like 
this before said for crash 

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investigator, married in French 
and the that's incredible show. 

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They are extremely unusual. 
Now, this is a professional 

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crash investigator. 
I can imagine this guy's pretty 

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much seen it all, and he says he
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before. 
Dennis break. 

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The Marshall County Sheriff. 
At the time said, you took 

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Johnson at his word. 
Feel that whatever Val told me 

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about the light and the strange 
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I don't doubt Valentine. 
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the sheriff tried other means to
get an answer as to what 

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happened to Johnson, 
investigative documents show, he

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reached out to Allen Henry, 
Chief investigator with the 

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center for UFO studies. 
The biggest mystery about the 

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Val, Johnson case is trying to 
find out one need explanation 

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for something that could behave 
the way he described yet create 

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the kinds of damage that we 
discovered Sudden Henry and then

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that's encoded bort bort No 1 in
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explain what happened including 
Johnson upon reflection. 

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We've come to the conclusion 
that perhaps the creator has 

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made other things. 
We can't readily see, or readily

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identify perhaps. 
This is one of the things we 

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encountered on the road said, 
Johnson to a studio audience 

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during the action credible goes 
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And says, where's Deputy Johnson
today? 

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People in Warren. 
Said he'd moved away and stop 

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doing interviews on this a while
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We Searched online and found an 
address for Val Johnson in 

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Wisconsin. 
So we drove there and it turns 

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out he was the right man. 
Of course, I think he's in his 

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late 70s down. 
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minutes, but he did not want to 
go on record because of the 

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stress and attention. 
This has caused his family for a

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long time. 
So, he came out, he talked about

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it publicly and what happens, 
there's this deep personal 

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campaign assets and we did. 
He did, however, provide his 

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permit us to pass on the notion 
that he hopes, the new you UFO. 

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Sightings and government reports
might give people New 

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Perspective on this story. 
Yeah it does. 

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Pictures are just, I mean 
riveting. 

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Actually there's another article
here that I think is pretty 

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good. 
I want to go ahead and read this

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one here. 
This is the same case. 

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Now, this is from a little bit 
little bit older article. 

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This August 27th 2015, it's from
MPR news dot-org. 

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Written by John Inger. 
It says whatever happened to the

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Marshall County cop, who hit a 
UFO and that's got this old 

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picture from the time. 
Have him standing out there on 

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the road. 
This is on September 11th, 1979 

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Val, Johnson stood where he says
he had been in golf by a flash 

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of light, two weeks. 
Earlier, indicated, how big the 

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beam was at beam was as it 
approached and he has his hands 

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out here. 
Well, maybe twice the size of a 

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basketball. 
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lightning that size but I don't 
think it was that just, by the 

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way, it acted at 140 am 36 years
ago, Marshall, County Sheriff's.

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Deputy Val Johnson courses 2015.
So you can do the math. 

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Be what 42, 43 years ago, 
whatever says Marshall County 

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Sheriff's. 
Deputy Val Johnson was on night 

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Patrol along a rural section of 
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Minnesota. 
When he drove into a ball of 

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white, White light, quote, I 
noticed a very bright brilliant,

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light 8 to 12 inches, in 
diameter three, excuse me, three

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to four feet off. 
The ground Johnson said in a 

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taped police interview. 
The exes were very defined 

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Johnson drove toward the light 
and woke up in the ditch, a half

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hour later with Burns around his
eyes and almost seems like maybe

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you had lost time here. 
You know, the windshield and one

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headlight of his 1977 Ford LTD 
were smashed both radio and Tana

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were bent, sharply back, the 
watch on his wrist, and the 

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clock on the dash. 
Both ticked 14 minutes slow. 

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Now that's strange because it 
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the washer 14 minutes behind But
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hour, you know, I would really 
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Do some regression hypnotherapy 
to see if there was some sort of

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an abduction that actually 
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remembering or not talking 
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I suppose the incident turned 
Johnson into a local Legend and 

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National media sensation and 
years later, people are still 

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talking about it. 
Johnson squad, cars preserved in

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the Marshall County Museum, with
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which is a lot of stuff online. 
You can see pictures of this 

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little Museum. 
They have there really Kind of a

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neat thing, I think. 
People still come from miles 

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around to see it. 
It's an annual display at the 

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Marshall County Fair. 
Sometimes former Marshall County

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Sheriff. 
Dennis sometimes former Marshall

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County Sheriff. 
Dennis break gives a talk at the

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Museum. 
I bought the car in the 

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nineties, Deputy drove it into a
ball of light, people, 

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investigated and never drew 
police investigated and never 

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drew any conclusions and has in 
the picture here that 

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windshield, which enemy smash 
pretty good, that impact seems 

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to have taken place at the 
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Shield driver side when you got 
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smaller one above it and it's 
really something it goes on and 

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says, but the incidents enduring
Fame has linger far beyond 

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Marshall County. 
What's known as a veljohnson. 

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What's known as the Val Johnson 
incident remains one of the top 

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10 most influential UFO 
Encounters in history. 

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According to German Clark who 
wrote about it in his 1998 book,

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the UFO encyclopedia paranormal 
TV shows like UFO files and 

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Mysteries at the Museum. 
Filmed reenactments even now 

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people debate the legitimacy of 
the counter and online forums. 

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Well they can debate all they 
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We have evidence. 
It was an extraordinarily 

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important case. 
Clerk said plenty of people have

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strange experiences on back 
roads at night Clark explain but

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very few of them yield any 
tangible evidence fewer still 

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are ever investigated but one 
thing is strikingly absent from 

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the small town Museum. 
The TV shows and online 

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discussions. 
Val Johnson when you try to 

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track the Val Johnson, people, 
try to track down Bell Johnson, 

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people tend to say that he's 
hard to find that he's still 

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haunted by what happened to him.
36 years ago, a 2013 Pioneer 

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Press article said, Johnson, 
Quickly grew tired of interviews

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after the incident and is 
believed to now, lip somewhere 

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in Wisconsin. 
Sheriff brakes wife Louise. 

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So Johnson hasn't kept in touch 
with his old colleagues in 

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Marshall County for 30 years. 
Aside, from a letter, he sent a 

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few years back with no return 
address. 

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As it turns out Johnson isn't 
that hard to find you loves and 

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you Claire Wisconsin and he 
answers his phone. 

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At the first mention of UFOs. 
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Quote, it's unexplainable and 
will remain. 

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So I'm happy with my mental 
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Said people can don't call about
that anymore, it becomes, and 

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then it goes on us as it becomes
readily apparent, that the 

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details of the veljohnson 
incident still, I'm throwing UFO

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enthusiasts, just don't 
Fascinate Johnson, I think he's 

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just had to move on with his 
life quote, I looked up at the 

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sky and said, well Shucks what 
happened? 

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Johnson, recalled and then I 
shuffled on with my life. 

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He had small kids to race back 
then, hitting a ball of 

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lightning up in a ditch. 
Wasn't close to the most 

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important thing going on in his 
life for almost a year. 

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After the incident, his phone 
hardly stopped ringing. 

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His quote at the time by 
Associated Press writer Barber 

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Dewey saying, his wife was run 
ragged and by the constant 

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calls, he appeared on Good 
Morning America. 

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And in dozens of newspapers 
across the country for a while, 

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he was a very big deal it says 
and then other stories came 

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along and push me off the front 
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He said thank goodness. 
The state on as Deputy for a 

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while. 
After the incident then he took 

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a job as chief of police and the
nearby town of Oslo Minnesota 

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locals. 
He said, never questioned his 

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ability to enforce the law in 
1982. 

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He was hired to set up the row, 
suit Minnesota, police 

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department, but lost his job 
less than a year later over a 

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funding dispute. 
Once you're a chief of police 

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and then you get fired. 
He said your unhireable, he was 

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working as a security guard in 
the Twin Cities, small, when a 

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friend got him a job answering 
the customer, Service line at 

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3M. 
He asked me how I'd like to 

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take, 60 angry phone calls a 
day, you're called. 

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And I said, dang, I can do that 
for many years for years. 

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People sometimes showed up on 
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about his experience in Marshall
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He says we'd set in the backyard
with lemonade and talk. 

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They tell me what they thought 
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the appropriate times 
eventually, they'd go away. 

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Johnson is now. 71 course, this 
was what The seven years ago. 

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So I'm assuming he's still 
alive, you v78. 

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He has a short, white beard and 
thinning. 

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White hair needs retired still 
living in you clear with his 

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wife, rozanne, no one to stop by
and years. 

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No one calls about the UFOs. 
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television, he has great 
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Johnson won't speculate on what 
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He doesn't think the light he 
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also won't rule that out as a 
possibility for years. 

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He said it just hasn't crossed 
lost his mind. 

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He says I saw a ball of light, I
drove toward it and suddenly it 

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was in the car with me it's 
unexplainable and will remain. 

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So I'm happy with my mental 
stability. 

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If it seems Johnson's 
ambivalence could cast some 

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doubt on the famous incident, 
those passionate about UFOs. 

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Run faced Clark's hits a 
textbook UFO encounter coping 

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mechanism. 
I'm not sure what else you're 

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supposed to do. 
When you see one of these silly 

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things. 
I mean, there's no point in 

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driving yourself crazy over 
denying that LD of it. 

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And I think that the way he did 
it is the way that most people 

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that are mentally in good health
and have good mental skills, to 

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do, it would react to it, you 
simply recognize what you saw, 

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don't drive yourself, mad trying
to explain it and go on with 

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your life. 
It's all you can do Clark talk 

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to scores of people involved in 
UFO. 

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Encounters for his books. 
Some became obsessed with what 

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happened to them? 
Some plunged into denial others.

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He said, Philip Peace refusing 
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our lives. 
If anything Clark said, it's a 

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story to tell at the bar and 
that's it. 

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I think it's a little bit more 
than that. 

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I think it's a story just to 
share to our body of knowledge, 

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about these things because this 
is our own form of Grassroots 

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disclosure. 
We know what happened based on 

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this eyewitness account. 
We don't have several pages of a

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blacked-out material. 
It hasn't been classified by the

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Deep State and tossed into a 
file somewhere. 

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Kept at the, you know, at the 
document dump of a private 

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company, it's on the Internet, 
it's becomes a, it becomes a 

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shared experience and I think 
it's helpful just to have it 

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there and together these all add
up. 

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And at some point we begin to 
get a clearer picture of what 

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this whole UFO phenomena is. 
Now there's one other I can't 

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hear. 
I think it's important to look 

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at as far as these uofl attacks 
and I think that's a fair 

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assessment to call these things.
Both both these cases, these 

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UFOs have acted, very aggressive
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Fargo's. 
Most famous UFO sighting 

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happened in the skies above 
Bison. 

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Football at says, this is from 
inform.com. 

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Let me see if I can find the 
author here real quick by Tracy 

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Briggs. 
This is December 15th 2020 and 

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it's got a nice picture here of 
this old 1940 site. 

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Football contest, very 
nostalgic. 

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This is Fargo, North Dakota, 
which is actually kind of on the

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border. 
There with Minnesota, I'm going 

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to be just a little way south of
Warren Minnesota, we just talked

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about. 
So in the same general vicinity 

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Far, Western Minnesota, Far 
Eastern, North Dakota, it says 

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Fargo. 
It's almost as though Fargo 

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forum sports editor. 
Eugene Fitzgerald had a tiny 

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crystal ball sitting beside his 
typewriter some Smoke-filled 

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Newsroom that day in the fall of
1948, when you raise headline 

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for October, first, aerial 
display, likely and bison 

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Augustine game tonight, of 
course, in this case, aerial 

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display referred to Fitzgerald's
prediction that the game would 

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feature more passing than 
rushing says NDSU one. 

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The night 14:6 hardly a show of 
aerial dominance nonetheless 

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Fitzgerald's headline turn out 
to be a strangely turned out to 

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be strange, but strangely 
prophetic, as there was a pretty

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spectacular aerial aerial 
display in the sky that night, 

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it became the subject of a US 
Government investigation. 

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The files of which have only 
recently been Declassified and 

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open for the public to see, see,
see the difference in what 

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happens with these UFO 
encounters. 

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We had the law enforcement 
officer, who you immediately 

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reports that, and it's released 
to the public. 

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This disseminated out there for 
everyone to see. 

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This case in 1948 involved, a 
former WWII fighter pilot, so 

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the the military immediately 
jumps on the case and classifies

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everything. 
So they keep that information 

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out of the public domain for 
decades, and which really 

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hinders the whole process of 
crowdsourcing. 

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These encounters and making them
available to the public. 

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If we go on here, we can see 
says, It's come to be known as 

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the Gorman dogfight. 
And is one of the most 

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well-known 20th century UFO 
stories. 

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It's also one of the most 
credible considering the man who

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claimed to see the Flying 
Saucer, it wasn't accomplished 

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WWII pilot and at least three 
other Witnesses were experienced

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aviators. 
So what we have here is the 

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classic Mass UFO sighting for 
witness for years, reports of 

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what happened that night came 
from the eyewitnesses and warmed

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himself. 
But now that the files have been

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Declassified more details, have 
emerged, the incident was 

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featured on the History Channel,
show, called Project, Blue Book,

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and 2019. 
Then it says, according to 

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columnist, Kurt Erikson, who 
wrote about Gorman in the Forum.

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And 2011 Gorman was born, July, 
7th, 23 June orbit and Roberta 

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Gorman. 
He grew up in Fargo. 

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Where his father was a Cass 
County agent during World War 

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Two Gorman? 
Became a B25 instructor for 

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French Aviation students. 
When the war was over, he 

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returned to Fargo and was 
employed as the manager of a 

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construction company. 
When the North Dakota Air 

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National Guard formed at 
Fargo's, Hector airport. 

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January 16th. 1947 Gorman. 
Joined the Squadron as a second 

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lieutenant. 
Norman was flying, his P-51 

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Mustang with other guard pilots 
in the early evening hours of 

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October 1st. 1948, part of their
flight path was over the old 

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Dakota Dakota field. 
Where the North Dakota 

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agricultural College Bison. 
Football team played its games 

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according to North Dakota State 
University, assistant athletic 

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director, Ryan para lat 
Perrault. 

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The Fill will slightly south of 
the current Dakota field at 

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1310. 17th Avenue North Goes on 
and says, Dakota field at the 

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time was LE côté was located 
adjacent to Churchill Hall in 

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the center of Campus where the 
Memorial Union and a glen Hill 

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Center. 
Now, sit Peril said you said 

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kickoff was at 8:00 p.m. that 
Friday night about a half hour 

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later. 
Most of the pilots flying 

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decided to call it a night but 
Gorman wanted to get in more 

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flying time. 
According to a story in the 

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Fargo forum dated October 3rd, 
1948 Gorman. 

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Was flying near ha field about 
two and a half. 

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Half miles from the football 
field when an air traffic 

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control, told him about a small 
Piper Cub in the area. 

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He acknowledged a smaller plane 
about 500 feet below but a few 

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minutes later he spotted 
something else. 

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He said it was a flying disc was
round with well-defined edges 

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brilliantly lit and circling 
slowly over the city. 

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He asks at our about the object 
and they said they only saw 

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Gorman's playing in the Piper 
Cub, this object was not showing

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up. 
On radar. 

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Gorman decide investigate but is
he got closer to the object it 

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suddenly got brighter shot away 
from him he estimated it was 

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flying around, 250 miles per 
hour but accelerated to 600 

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miles an hour, Gorman's playing 
can only fly about 400 miles an 

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hour so he lost the object but 
it came back and it flew right 

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at him when the object was 
coming head-on he says I held my

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plane pointed right at it. 
Foreman said the object came so 

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close that I invite 
Involuntarily ducked my head 

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because I thought a crash was 
inevitable, but the Archie 

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consumed over my head. 
So here he is flying to 

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investigate this Flying Saucer, 
which he can't catch his kind of

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playing this cat and mouse game 
with him where it flies directly

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back at him. 
Okay. 

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Now you can say that that's not 
an actual tact but in a way that

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isn't attack, because this thing
is acting in a super aggressive 

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way and what if this pilot would
have responded, In the wrong 

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direction. 
I mean it could have been like 

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it was definitely 
life-threatening the dog fight 

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lasted, 27 minutes, a lifetime 
for a UFO. 

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Encounter is a long time, the 
Declassified documents included,

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diagram Gorman Drew of what went
on in the air that night. 

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It's almost like this thing was 
just testing him. 

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Now he has a diagram of his dog 
fight that happened here. 

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Shows always Maneuvers what he 
did pretty detailed And the 

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extra channels Project Blue 
Book, you have historian. 

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Richard Dolan says, the detailed
drawing tells us a lot. 

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It shows you've got it. 
It shows you got an experienced 

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seasoned WWII fighter pilot, who
is dealing with a light 

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phenomena that is clearly 
outperforming his aircraft. 

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He said Gorman was said to be so
shaken. 

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After the incident that had 
trouble Landing the plane, he 

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told the Fargo forum later. 
It was the weirdest experience 

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I've had in my life and this 
guide has some pretty serious. 

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Audiences as far as that goes, I
mean it says was involved in 

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aerial combat as a fighter 
pilot. 

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It says after Gorman told his 
commanding officer what 

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happened. 
The incident was referred to Air

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Force intelligence investigators
arrived in Fargo on October 4th 

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and interviewed. 
The two air traffic controllers 

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in the tire that night as well 
as a pilot of the piper Club a 

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local physician. 
All of them, corroborated 

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gourmands account Gorman wrote 
in a sworn statement that he was

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convinced. 
There was a definitive thought 

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behind the objects Maneuvers and
that the aircraft could go 

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faster, turn Tighter and climb 
steeper than his aircraft. 

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Despite what seems to be 
evidence to the contrary, the 

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Air Force concluded, the object,
was a combination of looking at 

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the planet. 
Jupiter and a weather balloon. 

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Now think about how 
condescending that is. 

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You've got your former fighter 
pilot until she has this 

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encounter. 
This guy's been through World 

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War Two For Crying Out Loud 
until she saw a flying saucer 

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and you tell him know what you 
actually saw was Jupiter and a 

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weather balloon. 
I'm going to say it one more 

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time. 
How many weather balloons do we 

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have floating around up there? 
And don't we need some sort of a

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federal mandate to control 
weather balloons? 

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Because if there's that many of 
these things running loose, Sin 

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in the atmosphere threatening to
have. 

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You know, cliches with aircraft 
and we got to do something about

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this. 
According to Ericsson Gorman. 

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Insisted, it wasn't a weather 
balloon, but the air material, 

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command, warned him, not to 
divulge any further information,

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or he would be subject to a 
court-martial. 

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So that's your natural 
inclination to cover things up. 

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These are the people that so 
many in the community are 

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looking for disclosure from that
might be one reason, why Gorman 

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stay pretty quiet, throughout 
the rest of his military career.

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He thinks so which took into 
bases in Italy and throughout 

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the u.s. he retired as 
Lieutenant Colonel and died from

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pancreatic cancer and Texas and 
the early 1980s at the age of 

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59. 
So wow. 

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It says and then it goes on and 
says according to Reports most 

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of the dogfight action would 
have been happening before. 

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Half-time, just north of the 
field, the national centers for 

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environmental information says 
visibility in Fargo that evening

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was 13.1 miles. 
And there was no record of 

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precipitation. 
So, football fans wouldn't have 

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been instructed by clouds snow 
or rain. 

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If what they saw is was often 
reported from UFO. 

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Sightings from the same distance
away. 

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The fans might have seen flashes
of light, not unlike heat 

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lightning. 
They also might have heard, the 

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sounds of gourmands plane and 
the object we're saying, might 

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because at this point, the form 
hasn't been able to track down 

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any fans of players, who were 
there, that night a Facebook 

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call out yielded. 
Some reminiscing about the team 

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of the 1940s. 
The players are, which would be 

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at least 90 years old, even if 
more witnesses from football, 

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the football, Game where else 
were elsewhere? 

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Come forward from that night. 
It's not likely any kind of 

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official report would be 
changed. 

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However, for what it's worth and
astronomer contracted by the Air

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Force, to say, to study the 
Grumman incident to Gorman side,

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that this was no weather, 
balloon something has son backs 

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up and Project Blue Book. 
Paul Heidi said my father loved 

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Air Force pilots because he 
said, how can the Air Force deny

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reports by people that they 
themselves tray? 

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Rain. 
Well of course we know that 

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doesn't matter to them. 
Once someone speaks the truth 

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about these things, they're 
absolutely going to deny the 

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truth that that's consider the 
Gorman. 

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Instant both these both of these
instances are important. 

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The one from 1979 Warren. 
And this one from 1948 Fargo and

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like I said you could just see 
the difference and how the 

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information is either bottled up
or disseminated depending upon 

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on who gets ahold of it first. 
And this case, you know, where 

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involve an Air Force pilot, the 
Deep state was allowed to come 

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in and just completely encircle.
These reports Tamp down e, talk 

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about it and bury it for 40 or 
50 years. 

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Or longer in the case of the 
sheriff's, deputy and Minnesota 

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even though it was still 1979, 
you can see how one this report 

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is released publicly 
immediately, the facture there, 

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they can be looked at they can 
be, they can be double checked 

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and still disseminated for the 
public at large to see. 

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So it's it's just the right way 
of doing things and the wrong 

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way of doing things. 
Until next time, this is UFO 

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morning over. 
Now,