1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Hello and welcome to the program UFO Warning. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,400 In this episode, we're talking about the Hudson Valley UFO 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,280 wave. That's correct, the Hudson 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,480 Valley UFO Wave. Now in the early 1980s, the 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,240 Hudson Valley region of New York experienced a series of notable 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,160 UFO sightings that captured the attention of the locals and UFO 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,760 enthusiasts all over the place. Witnesses reported seeing large 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,840 boomerang or V shaped objects with bright lights moving 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,520 silently across the night sky. Now these sightings occurred 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,480 over an extended period of time from around 01982 to 1989 and 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,720 involved a significant number of eyewitnesses including police 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,200 officers and other credible individuals. 13 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:50,040 Despite extensive media coverage and investigations, the origin 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,320 and nature of the Hudson Valley UFO sightings remain 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,560 unexplained, contributing to the region's enduring reputation as 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,360 a hot spot unidentified aerial phenomena during that era. 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,280 These things were really something. 18 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,560 They were such a spectacle that it actually kind of changed the 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,960 way that the mainline media reported for a little while. 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,760 And maybe that's because, you know, the Hudson Valley was in a 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,560 area they perceived to be a cut above the rest of the country. 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,440 I don't know. But we find this article here 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,440 from the from the debrief.org, and it's dated July 11th, 2022, 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,840 written by Shaz as all it says, the Hudson Valley UFOs. 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:33,760 How the Media Reacted to 1980s UFO Flap tells us back during 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,000 the Summer of the Saucers in 1947, and for more than a decade 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,600 after, UFOs were a serious topic in the media. 28 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,320 The subject received plenty of coverage, as both the public and 29 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:47,040 the government seemed to grapple with what it was that people 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,320 were seeing in the skies. But by the time Project Blue 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,240 Book ended in 1969, remember, Project Blue Book was a 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,080 government program. The tone in America's newspapers 33 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,680 and news rules seem to change considerably. 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,720 Have to wonder if that had anything to do with Project 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,040 Mockingbird. Many journalists openly mocked 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,600 people who talked about little green men and flying saucers. 37 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,160 This no doubt pleased the federal government, and many 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,840 researchers suggested that this was happening by design. 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Well, it seems pretty clear that it was. 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,160 I mean I mentioned the Project Mockingbird, that's the this 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,440 supposed secret program where CIA hasn't has infiltrated 42 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,040 multiple news organizations. I think that has been pretty 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,160 much proven that we've got several people from the inside 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,960 working in these things. I mean just look what happened 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,960 with Twitter here a while back. So I the the the media is a 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,840 target rich environment. I can't imagine that the 47 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,640 government wouldn't be in there making sure that their their 48 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:45,760 message was getting out. Just a thought. 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,640 It goes on and says that wasn't always the case, though. 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,280 There were some events that generated considerable public 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,000 attention and were reported on by the press in a mostly sober 52 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,640 fashion. One of these was the series of 53 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,400 sightings in upstate New York that came to be known as a 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,280 Hudson Valley flap. While there had already been 55 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,240 scattered sightings reported in an area a couple of hours north 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,360 of New York City, the real burst of activities seem to begin. 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,480 On New Year's Eve of 1982, a retired police officer reported 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,080 seeing a huge V shaped object with multiple colored lights 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,040 gliding almost silently over his property. 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,520 He wouldn't be the last person to report such an event. 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,920 Many others followed and by March 23rd of 1983 the local 62 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,840 newspaper in Port Chester, NY was running a front page feature 63 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,760 describing crowds of people claiming to have seen the 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,200 triangular object. The witnesses who were 65 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,200 interviewed included an on duty police officer named Kevin Sir 66 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Avila who testified that he had seen the object twice in a 45 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,800 minute period after his department had received more 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,520 than 100 calls. He described the object the same 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,240 way the others had, saying that he had seen it stop in midair 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,600 and turned perpendicular before reversing course and heading 71 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,200 away from view. At no point in the article was 72 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,400 there any suggestion of people making up stories or 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,200 misidentifying something. Well, Can you imagine that there 74 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,240 was a time when mainline media reported a mass UFO sighting? 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,640 Just reported the facts as stated by the witnesses. 76 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,640 You know what they saw? It didn't call people names, 77 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,920 didn't call them conspiracy theories, didn't claim that 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:33,000 they'd seen swamp gas, didn't impinge your credibility, just 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,960 treated them like normal people who bought their newspaper, who 80 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,560 watched the television channel. We treated them with the same 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,360 basic respect that you would treat somebody that you walked, 82 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,200 that you, that you met on the street. 83 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Interesting. By November of that year, the 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,400 local newspapers were not just covering the sightings 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,160 themselves, but also the people who were flocking to the Valley 86 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,400 to investigate this activity. On November 11th, the Journal 87 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,160 News in White Plains, NY run A2 column story featuring 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,560 interviews with UFO investigators and one ufologist 89 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,720 from Connecticut who was a member of Citizens Against UFO 90 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,200 Secrecy told a reporter that more aliens would probably visit 91 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,600 Earth if humans weren't so hostile toward them. 92 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,960 A second investigator accused the federal government of having 93 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,800 crashed flying disk and alien bodies, insisting they were 94 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,000 covering up the information to keep it from the public. 40 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,680 years later, man, we're hearing the same thing. 96 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,040 The paper even included comments from J Allen Heidy, who 97 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,080 described how and why he left in his capacity as a science 98 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,040 advisor to Project Blue Book. Hynek also said that researchers 99 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,000 were fighting a publicity war with the military because 100 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,520 military officials sought to ridicule anyone who reported a 101 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,680 sighting. Well, we've talked about J Allen 102 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,400 Hynek before many times on this program, and just I think 103 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,840 recently covered him in the podcast. 104 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,880 The sightings were still going on well into the following year 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,880 and journals had spread out to explore other possible 106 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,680 explanations not involving extraterrestrials. 107 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,960 On June 28th of 1984, the Poughkeepsie Journal posted a 108 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,120 feature in which they spoke to witnesses who were accusing 109 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,800 stunt pilots with small aircraft flying over the region and a 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,320 close V shaped formation to trick people into thinking they 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,200 were seeing something otherworldly. 112 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:20,000 Yes, that's almost as crazy as a satanic cow. 113 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,960 Tippers out there tramping through the deep woods of Oregon 114 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:31,360 trying to find range cattle to perform surgical mutilations on 115 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,920 and leaving no tracks. Nope, we've just got a cluster 116 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:41,160 of stunt pilots flying close together to to to represent AV 117 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,840 shaped object. Yeah, that sounds really 118 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,800 believable to me. Even. 119 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,320 They even spoke to a police officer who claimed to have 120 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,280 followed the planes back to a local airport and spoken to one 121 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,280 of the pilots who admitted to pulling off the hooks. 122 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:59,520 Now they like to call people crazy for reporting UFOs and 123 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,080 suggesting that maybe they need a long talking to. 124 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,680 But this cop who says that he followed the planes, did they 125 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,000 name him? This is this is where you this 126 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,800 is where you can see that someone's really trying to 127 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,840 deceive you. They even spoke to a police 128 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,600 officer who claimed to have followed the planes back to a 129 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,600 local airport and spoken to one of the pilots who admitted to 130 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,000 pulling off the hoax. Now and then it says the pilots 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,960 were never named. OK, now you've told me a story. 132 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Now do your work and give me a name to back it up. 133 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,960 Show me a source. So you know you're being lied 134 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,200 to. Pretty much. 135 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:45,440 That's, that's my opinion 99.99% that this is a lie spoke to a 136 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,560 police officer. Now, maybe this reporter knew it 137 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,600 was a lie when they took down the notes. 138 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,000 Maybe they didn't, but they're not telling us who. 139 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,320 This is a huge story. It's a police officer. 140 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,720 They're a public servant. They have to give you your badge 141 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,960 number and name, but they choose not to tell us this guy's name. 142 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,160 1984, we're talking about. So you can see the kind of 143 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,240 parallel narratives that were being constructed after these 144 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,320 things were seen, these giant flying triangle UFOs going over 145 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,320 the Hudson Valley. And the media apparently didn't 146 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,760 get their marching orders right away. 147 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,320 And they started to report the truth. 148 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,640 And people were like, wow, these things are cool. 149 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,440 Let's go take a look. And I think maybe the government 150 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,720 felt like they were losing control over the story. 151 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,440 So what do they do? Well, they create a parallel 152 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,640 narrative. Must have been. 153 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,280 It must have been the secret stunt pilots. 154 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,640 I mean, how many stunt pilots are there even in the whole 155 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,000 country? But I guess we got a bunch of 156 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,080 them together here over the Hudson Valley. 157 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,400 And boy, they've decided to trick people. 158 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,840 Yeah, and we've got an unnamed police officer that tracked him 159 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,760 down and talked to the pilot. Of course, we can't tell you his 160 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,440 name either. See, this is the the problem is 161 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,160 when you tell a lie, you have to keep telling lies to cover it 162 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,520 up. You know, the old, the old 163 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,800 saying the truth. The truth stands on its own. 164 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,400 It's just there. The truth is just there. 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:13,200 We saw giant, flying, triangular shaped UFOs over the Hudson 166 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,560 Valley. 100 of us did. We saw it. 167 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,320 That's the truth. But then the government comes 168 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,760 along, tries to cover it up with a lie. 169 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,920 Oh, they were stunt pilots. They were this, they were that. 170 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,040 And the lies have to get more and more crazy because they're 171 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,720 so easy to disprove that they have to keep piling lines on. 172 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,000 They have to keep piling lines on top of them. 173 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,160 I just saw the other day where we talked about that case in 174 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,080 Vancouver where the nurse saw the UFO at the window. 175 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,120 And here we are, 54 years later, and some guy comes forward and 176 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,440 says, Oh yes, we did that. That was a balloon prank. 177 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,360 Yeah. We heard about these guys that 178 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,560 were filling up these giant plastic bags and then using, 179 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:54,400 like, I don't know if it's sternal cups or something for a 180 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,840 heat source to cause them to rise up in the air. 181 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,360 And it was so much fun that I did that. 182 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,520 I did that. I let this giant balloon up in 183 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,560 the air and it it flew up next to the hospital there. 184 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,920 And that's what she saw. So 54 years later, parallel 185 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,320 narrative, what do they do with Roswell? 186 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,080 You know, we got to crash ship and a couple dead bodies and I 187 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,640 think, I think Clinton was in office back then and they came 188 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,240 out with the whole thing of it was a crash test dummy. 189 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:25,960 Yes, we were dropping this. We were dropping this crash test 190 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,040 dummy out of the sky to see how he would react. 191 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,520 And then it was a weather balloon. 192 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,760 First one doesn't work, then the second one. 193 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,200 So he just keep coming up with lies to try to cover up the 194 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,960 truth. The problem is, no matter how 195 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,520 many lies you tell, you can never completely cover the truth 196 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,000 when something's just there. Like these giant triangle shaped 197 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,280 UFOs flying over the valley. No matter how much you lie about 198 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,160 it, no matter how many different stories you make up, doesn't 199 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,560 matter They were there. People saw them. 200 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,680 That's the truth and you can deny it. 201 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,560 You can lie about it, you can claim it didn't happen, but it 202 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,480 doesn't change the truth. So then the article goes on a 203 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,600 little bit and just basically talks about how this temporary, 204 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,040 truthful and reporting seems to have impacted how society views 205 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,880 UFOs. I don't know, they might be 206 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,960 given the media a little too much credit. 207 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,600 Maybe not. Maybe. 208 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,760 Maybe all of the harassment and the name calling, telling people 209 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,400 that the conspiracy theorists probably has dampened down 210 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,960 people's curiosity or willingness to report these 211 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,240 things. Maybe. 212 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,680 Maybe for this few months in the early 1980s when mainline media 213 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:38,160 was honestly reporting about what people saw. 214 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,200 Maybe that did have enough of an impact that it encouraged people 215 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,360 to go to UFO meetings to for people to put up museums, for 216 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,280 people to talk about this openly just to have a conversation 217 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,840 about it. Interesting enough. 218 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Now I want to go back to the the actual case of this. 219 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,680 I found this article on unsolved.com and sealed Unsolved 220 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:59,080 Mysteries site and it says Hudson Valley UFO. 221 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,800 Were the lights or the Hudson Valley really UFOs? 222 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,800 Well they were unidentified and says the quiet beauty of New 223 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,000 York's Hudson River Valley is home to upscale professionals 224 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,080 and retirees. They tend to be well educated in 225 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,960 Cosmopolitan, hardly the type of people one would expect to be 226 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,080 swept up by UFO fever. Maybe that explains why the 227 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,400 media went in there with a kid gloves attitude to begin with. 228 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,600 Yet that's exactly what happened to more than 5000 residents 229 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,760 between 1983 and 1986. Ultimately, the entire episode 230 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,240 was largely dismissed as a hoax perpetrated by a group of local 231 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,600 stunt pilots. However, to this day, many of 232 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,600 the eyewitnesses maintain that they saw what what they saw 233 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,720 could not have been a handful of airplanes. 234 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,080 Now how idiotic is that? I'm just going to say it. 235 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,120 Did they pull every person that saw this thing was largely 236 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,640 dismissed as a hoax perpetrated by a group of local stunt 237 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,360 pilots? I don't know. 238 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,880 I don't even know a stunt pilot. I've been to a couple of air 239 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:02,840 shows, well, 11 big one, and from what I can see, there 240 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,440 aren't that many Stump pilots. I mean, as a percentage of the 241 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,800 population, and they probably do make pretty good money and they 242 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,040 are highly professional from what I can see. 243 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,280 I can't imagine that you're going to get a half a dozen or a 244 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,360 dozen of these stunt pilots to get together and perpetrate a 245 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,640 hoax on an entire area over a period from now. 246 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,960 They say 83 to 86 and others forces say 82 to 89. 247 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,000 So minimum of three years, these guys are getting together, 248 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,120 they're getting up in the morning. 249 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,400 Hey, Bob, Are you ready for a hoax tonight? 250 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,120 And seven or eight of them are getting together and flying 251 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,360 their airplanes to the Hudson Valley to put on a show. 252 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,800 That's about the most stupidest thing I can imagine. 253 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,800 Dennis Sant, a husband and father of five, had worked in 254 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,040 local government for 17 years. He led a perfectly normal life. 255 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,960 Then on March 17th, 1983, Dennis's home in Briston, New 256 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,520 York, was a site of an extraordinary event. 257 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,000 It was a very large object, not multiple planes object. 258 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,160 The structure of it was very dark Gray, had a structure, 259 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,920 metallic, almost grinder type looking. 260 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,920 The object seemed to be very silent. 261 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,440 The lights were iridescent, bright. 262 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,480 They stood out in the sky in three, in three dimension. 263 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,520 It looked like a city of lights. It just hung in the sky, all 264 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,600 brilliant callers. We followed the object around to 265 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,440 the backyard and at that point a feeling of fright came upon me. 266 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,920 Thoughts started to flood my mind. 267 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,840 Thoughts of the craft touching ground, thoughts of an encounter 268 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,920 with an alien being, thoughts of being abducted. 269 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,800 All types of fearful thoughts started to enter my mind. 270 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,960 I can completely understand that. 271 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,960 But Dennis and his family, we're not the only ones mesmerized by 272 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,640 the extraordinary light formation. 273 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,400 The author's doing something a little bit sneaky here. 274 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,600 OK, a little deceptive. Now, we just heard the 275 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,200 experience for Dennis Sant. He just told us that this thing 276 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,640 was a structure. It looked like it was made from 277 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,800 metal. Told specific kind of metal. 278 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,960 He described the lights, OK, this is an object. 279 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,040 And then these guys, they go down into the next paragraph and 280 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,240 all of a sudden it's a light formation. 281 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,520 No, it wasn't a light formation. If somebody sees your car coming 282 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,360 down the highway, they might see your two headlights. 283 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,520 But believe me, your car is not a light formation. 284 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,520 And if they do not get out of your way, they will be run over 285 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,680 and killed If they are on foot, Not a light formation, an object 286 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,640 with lights. And that's what Mr. Sant said 287 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,240 and seen. An object with lights a few 288 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,120 miles away. Traffic screeched to a hall on 289 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,160 Interstate 84 as the mysterious object hovered overhead. 290 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,200 The Hudson Valley sightings had only just begun. 291 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,320 One week later, Officer Andy said of the Newcastle police was 292 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,640 on routine patrol when he too had an encounter quote. 293 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,200 I was working at 4:00 PM to midnight tour and assigned to 294 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,600 set up some radar to look for speeding cars. 295 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,200 And I looked up into the sky and saw a series of lights and at 296 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,640 first I thought it was a plane. It was quite a distance, quite 297 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,120 far away, but it was it was really quite large. 298 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,600 As I recall there were mostly white lights, but there were 299 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,320 green lights also. It was alternating green and 300 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,920 white lights. It approached my vehicle and 301 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,520 stopped and it seemed to hover. And I'm looking at this thing 302 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,640 thinking what is it? I wasn't afraid. 303 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,360 I was just amazed. I was in awe of it. 304 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,160 I didn't know what it was. The only thing that I recall the 305 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,840 most is I was amazed that there was no noise, there was no 306 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,560 humming, there was no engine, there was no sound. 307 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,520 I was it was absolutely silent. Well, there you go, the silent 308 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,360 stunt planes. Then just seconds later, the 309 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,680 eerie silence is broken by another eyewitness report. 310 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,360 At virtually the same time, Ed Burns, a computer engineer and 311 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,960 senior manager for IBM, was driving home on the Taconic 312 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,640 Parkway, 10 miles north of officers status location. 313 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,560 Out of nowhere, I got a lot of static on the radio. 314 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,920 I thought maybe I was on the wrong number. 315 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,240 And then I went over to turn the dial again, and that's when I 316 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,480 looked up and saw this craft. It was a triangular ship and the 317 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,240 back had to be as large as a football field at least. 318 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,880 And there was no noise. No noise. 319 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,920 Ed pulled off the highway and joined a group of motorists by 320 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,800 the side of the road. According to Ed, they were all 321 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,160 staring at the sky, seemingly dumbstruck. 322 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,280 I'm not into astronomy, but what I had witnessed that night was 323 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,360 not from this planet. The eyewitness reports indicated 324 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,240 the object was slowly moving N over the Hudson River Valley. 325 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,280 Officer set up and at least twelve others saw it in 326 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Newcastle. 10 minutes later. Ed Burns and at least 20 motor 327 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,000 saw it near Millwood. 10 minutes after that the phones began 328 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,040 ringing off the hook in the police station at Yorktown. 329 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:55,080 Officer William Wolfe Junior was a dispatcher on duty that night. 330 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,920 Quote every line kept going. Every single line. 331 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,440 Constantly answer the phone. Another line would light up. 332 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,240 I'd answer the next line and another one would line up. 333 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,560 Got to the point the County Parkway stopped, the people were 334 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,000 out in their cars. It was starting to get really 335 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,520 crazy. I tried calling the cars to find 336 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,400 out if they saw anything, and the only one that called Kevin 337 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:22,320 said that he would stop in. Officer Kevin Shurvila arrived a 338 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,200 few minutes later. He also saw the lights reported 339 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,920 by dozens of Yorktown residents. Quote, the object was extremely 340 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,360 large. I estimated it to be close to 341 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:35,280 300 to 400 yards wide. Imagine that 1200 feet across. 342 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,600 We stopped out in front facing to the north and at 343 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,760 approximately 5 minutes later the object began to appear from 344 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,600 the northern horizon. Although Officers Wolf and 345 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Sravilla were standing side by side in front of the Yorktown 346 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,880 Police station, their accounts are entirely contradictory. 347 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,360 Officer Sravilla was convinced that he saw a large object with 348 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,160 a number of small lights. I would say approximately 16 to 349 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,400 8 lights running in AV formation approximately 200 to 400 yards 350 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,080 wide. I was standing between the 351 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,160 lights to see any type of solid structure. 352 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,640 He may have basically been staring at the lights himself, 353 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,240 but Officer Wolf had a completely different impression. 354 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,200 They look like airplanes to me. I said Kev, I live in an airport 355 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,560 and I see these airplanes every day, so they were coming over. 356 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,000 He said, well, you can't hear anything. 357 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,480 I said, listen. Then we started to hear a drone. 358 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 It wasn't one big solo craft, but if you looked at it for like 359 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,080 a couple minutes or even a fraction as it was coming over, 360 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,200 I could see where some people would have gotten upset. 361 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,160 So there you go, 1D bunker. Some people can look right at 362 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,400 these things and not admit with AC. 363 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,960 That's what I think The guy says, Oh yeah, it was airplanes. 364 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,440 So 100 other people call in the police station and they all say, 365 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,920 I see a giant triangle flying overhead and one cop looks at it 366 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,480 and says, no, you don't you see airplanes? 367 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,160 Who am I going to believe the 100 that tell me that they see 368 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,280 the UFO or the 1D bunker? He says don't believe your lying 369 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,880 eyes. Suddenly the Hudson Valley 370 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,200 sightings had taken a dramatic turn. 371 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,160 It appeared that the UFOs were a hoax. 372 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,720 Nothing more than small aircraft flying in precise patterns. 373 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,400 And then it says Anthony Capaldi was an air traffic control 374 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,080 spatial at the time of sightings. 375 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,880 In the summer of 1983, he made an observation that seemed to 376 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,240 settle the UFO controversy once and for all. 377 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,720 The first time I observed the formation, it looked a little 378 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,560 peculiar, and from our vantage point in the tower, they just 379 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,880 appeared to be just one big light because they were flying 380 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,800 in tight formation. I don't think if this formation 381 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,840 flew over an individual's head at 1000 feet that there's any 382 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,200 way you could mistake it for anything but the formation 383 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,320 flying due to the sound of the aircraft engines. 384 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,840 And I imagine that at 1000 feet you could really determine that, 385 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,600 that it's an aircraft. Well, I imagine that they would 386 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,800 be able to hear it even more than 1000 feet. 387 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,000 I mean, I see small planes fly over all the time and they make 388 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,720 a lot of noise. Now, these witnesses all said 389 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,440 these things were completely silent. 390 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,280 It was honest. But not everyone agreed. 391 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,320 Philip and Burgundy and Arthur and UFO expert spoke to several 392 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,560 of the eyewitnesses. The UFO was surely seen before 393 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,080 these hoaxer pilots began their night flights. 394 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,920 After these hoaxers began their night flights, people would call 395 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,880 me up who had seen the UFO on their previous dates and said, 396 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,680 well, I saw something strange in the sky. 397 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,080 But it wasn't the same thing that I saw a week before. 398 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,280 A home video showing a light formation above Bridge to New 399 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,960 York was taken on June 10th, 1984 by local resident Bob 400 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,440 Pizzoli. Philip Umbrella was convinced 401 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,000 the footage showed an actual UFO. 402 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,200 It has been looked at by a number of photographic experts 403 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,480 who indicate that the movement of the object on a video seems 404 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,800 to be one of seems to be 1 rigid object, not individual objects. 405 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,920 Plus there were hundreds and hundreds of witnesses who saw 406 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,760 the UFO and said it was something strange. 407 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,960 But the night that the airplanes were seeing, there was also 408 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,040 dozens of witnesses said in fact that they did see airplanes. 409 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,400 And then down below the article here there's just like, I mean 410 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,160 like a ton of these eyewitnesses who have commented that they saw 411 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760 stuff and talking about when they were kids back in like 412 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,360 828384 and they saw these giant triangle UFOs. 413 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,720 So what I think you see here is a clear pattern that we see so 414 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:19,120 often these cases. To begin with, you had multiple 415 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,960 eyewitnesses seeing this wave of UFOs and they describe exactly 416 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,720 what they sell. You know, many of them are cops, 417 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,880 many of them are people. They're considered reliable 418 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,680 witnesses. It's in an area where it's 419 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,360 mostly well off upper middle class people and maybe wealthy 420 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,440 people. So the media comes in to 421 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,120 investigate and they meet people that they perceive to be like 422 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:43,960 themselves. We're educated. 423 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,000 We know more than you. So they didn't come in and they 424 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,040 didn't start calling these people conspiracy theorists 425 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,320 right away because these were the kind of people that there 426 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560 were their neighbors and friends, people they went to 427 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,320 cocktail parties with, went out to dinner with. 428 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,640 So they treated them with respect, unlike how they treat 429 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,920 most people. And what we, what we ended up 430 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,200 with was for a little while, we got some truthful reporting. 431 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,000 They just reported the facts. They interviewed people that saw 432 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,240 these giant triangles hovering over the Hudson River valley, or 433 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,280 a period of years, actually, But it sounds like the most intense 434 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,760 part of that was about a three-year period. 435 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,800 They got the word out there it it began to really foster some 436 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,480 discussion about UFOs in a positive way. 437 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,520 And then somewhere along the line toward the end of that 438 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,400 first couple years, I suppose it sounds like somebody got 439 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,680 involved with a parallel narrative. 440 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,560 Well, they couldn't. They really couldn't get the 441 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,040 swamp gas. There weren't drones to talk 442 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,720 about. The only thing they could come 443 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,760 up with, which to me is just the the dumbest thing ever was that 444 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,000 a bunch of anonymous unnamed stunt pilots got together did 445 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,280 this. They just decided to hoax the 446 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,760 whole neighborhood for three years. 447 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,040 You know, doesn't matter how much fuel for those airplanes 448 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,760 cost. Doesn't matter where they land 449 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,840 the things at doesn't matter how long they can fly for. 450 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,960 Doesn't matter that even the best stunt pilot in the world 451 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,000 can't bring his stunt plane to a complete stop overhead and hover 452 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,600 there. None of that matters. 453 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,360 Doesn't matter that stunt stunt planes aren't silent, but they 454 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:17,360 got a parallel narrative going and you can see the difference 455 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,760 in reporting from what I talked about with when we when we 456 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,880 focused on the drive, how they talked about report, how people 457 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,600 have reported on it and they did a pretty good job telling about 458 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,360 what happened, what people saw. And then this here article I 459 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:32,360 just went over from unsolved.com doesn't list an author on it, 460 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:35,120 which I can see why I think this must be some part of the 461 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,800 franchise, the Unsolved Mysteries TV show or something, 462 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,720 but they give some of the facts. But a lot of this article is 463 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,080 dedicated to trying to debunk and and spread a lie in my 464 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,920 opinion, that these people didn't see a UFO that they saw. 465 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,360 Stunt pilots, well, stunt pilots don't hover. 466 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,040 Stunt pilots don't fly silent. They never named a single stunt 467 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,240 pilot. And you have to ask yourself, do 468 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,360 the anonymous unnamed stunt pilots, does that pass a 469 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,240 reasonable person's standard? Which seems more likely to you 470 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,880 that a lot of people were so enthralled by seeing this what 471 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:22,560 they described as this giant 400 yard wide, triangular shaped UFO 472 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,760 with lights all the way around it. 473 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,120 They described this thing just kind of moseying over the 474 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,040 valley, hovering in places, not making any noise. 475 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,000 That's that's what they saw. And then on the other side, 476 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,240 after the fact, after all the reports came in, then the 477 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,440 debunking starts. Then the parallel narrative gets 478 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,880 kicked in. And you have to ask yourself, 479 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,200 does this idea that half a dozen or a dozen stunt pilots 480 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,920 clandestinely and anonymously got together and pulled off this 481 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,200 hoax night after night over three years? 482 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,120 And to this day, not a single one of those anonymous pilots 483 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,840 has come forward to say, Oh yeah, that was me. 484 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,480 Yep, I was there. We did this. 485 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,480 I mean think a little just think of the logistics of these guys 486 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,480 having to randomly get together over multiple nights, over 487 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,080 multiple years and fly their planes in in exact formation at 488 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,600 night. OK, not be picked up. 489 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,240 I I'm seeing nothing about these guys being picked up on the 490 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,600 radar anywhere. So when you look at it, just ask 491 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,440 yourself what seems more reasonable that 100 people saw 492 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,240 something at night. They they give you a description 493 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,880 of it. That they that they can't 494 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,400 explain it. Or that a half a dozen or a 495 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,080 dozen stunt pilots, highly skilled individuals with very 496 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,760 expensive machinery, randomly got together over a three-year 497 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,880 period, maybe a half a dozen to a dozen times, and pulled off 498 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,640 one of the biggest UFO hoaxes in history. 499 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Until next time, this is UFO Warning. 500 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,280 Over and out.