1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,720 I could be recording test. I'm gonna I'm gonna get a little 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,840 loud for a second. I'm gonna get loud and near my 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,760 microphone. OK, I'm gonna turn that down. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,480 Just a just a just a hair. Here we go. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,680 Now I'm talking kind of normal volume, sort of relatively close 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,560 to the thing. Trying not to crush my surge 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:25,360 protector. OK, what are we doing? 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,080 We're remind me what we're calling it when I save this file 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,880 later, which I haven't done so yeah, entire NSF board. 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,480 So what's the OK I from the nature article though that I had 11 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,800 up and the science one. There's actually two more people 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,640 included in the count for the science. 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,520 Article. Yes, it seems like it. 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,120 I've seen 22 elsewhere as well. Interesting. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:56,160 I don't know if like there's a different head counting system 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,360 or what. Yeah, but I think the numbers 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,120 are like far less important here than. 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,400 I am super curious if it's because but. 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Who are these members? 4th of April. 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,160 See, that's the thing I'd love, I'd love like a list, right? 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,920 Yeah, like. Wait, who are, let me see, 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,440 members of National board? National Science Board. 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:25,360 National Science Board board members NSF says National is 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,280 made-up of 25 members. Yeah, son of a bitch. 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,760 Can we get our numbers right? So does that mean that one 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,720 person survived like? Maybe, yeah. 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,680 Cause 'cause oh, you know, that makes sense, 'cause I read it 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:45,480 somewhere that it's comprised of board members and one director 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:51,280 and like, like, they kind of work independently as well. 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,000 So like, and that's all that's by design. 31 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,440 Like so that directors don't get to decide anything on their own. 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,920 OK, got it. Let me just note that the actual 33 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,080 number of faces on this page right now is 22. 34 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,520 OK. So we can talk about this in the 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,040 We can talk. Maybe couple of them died 36 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,360 halfway through, who knows? I see a lot of, you know, 37 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,440 crinkly old white guys, so. If I edit this one, I promise I 38 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,000 won't pull this part of the recording in. 39 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,440 All right, OK, should we? Let's start. 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,920 Let's start this one. This will be a little emergency 41 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,080 like what's the, what's the word for this? 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,360 Like emergency bulletin, whatever. 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,800 Anyway. Yeah, whatever. 44 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:49,240 OK, so let's try 321. Wait, why was there so much 45 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,360 delay? I mean, we'll do it again. 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,520 Yeah, we can just do it again. We'll just do a second one. 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,880 That's that's fine. All right. 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,000 Yeah, let's do the other one. I'm gonna, maybe I'm gonna, I'm 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,920 gonna try to go like right as you sort of say 3. 50 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,400 Let's it's it's no, no, do it like you normally do and it's 51 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,520 fine usually. But just now there was like 52 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,160 there was like a crazy 3 seconds play. 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,080 Yeah, yeah. All right, cool. 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,680 All right. So 321. 55 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,640 Hello, Lynn. Hello Zombie. 56 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,160 Well, I guess this is kind of a new format where we're kind of 57 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,600 responding to a very timely fashion. 58 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,920 Yeah 100% this is gonna definitely ruin the order of 59 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,280 posts that go out actually. And I think I would say it's 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,760 worth ruining it because this is kind of a big shocker of a news 61 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:46,160 for American science, which, you know, thank you everyone for my 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,320 degree lens degree. We all benefited from it. 63 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,440 And but I think the very system that, you know, helped us get 64 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,960 our PhD is the entire people got fired. 65 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,600 Am I correct in thinking that? Yeah, I mean, well, the 66 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,600 important people at the sort of top of the science food chain, 67 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,440 from what I understand, right? You know, we're jumping in on 68 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,080 this pretty hard at the NSF, the National Science Foundation on 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,120 what's called the National Science Board is supposed to, 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,360 you know, keep an eye on everything. 71 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,680 You know, have some, have some idea of like what's going on in 72 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,440 the science, where the money goes, maybe what's important, 73 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,200 right. Cross, cross disciplinary, cross 74 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,240 field people, industry, universities, you know, like, 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,880 yeah, they're all gone. Yeah, they got fired, every one 76 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,080 of them. So yes, every one of them got 77 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,320 fired overnight and. Overnight we. 78 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,080 Don't know what that means to the United States science yet, 79 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,520 but This Is Us. Just like no we don't reacting 80 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,600 the first impression what the fuck is going on kind of 81 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,320 episode. So and any laughter you hear is 82 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,600 just from trauma response. It's not, it's not because it's 83 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,560 funny, right? It's because it's horribly. 84 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,760 Funny, yes, fair warning that we will try to be factual, but we 85 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:20,640 are also like understand that this is a very developing news. 86 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,200 Everything has been disclosed. I don't think any of the people 87 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,520 who got fire know what's going on. 88 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,560 So, you know, take it as a grain of salt. 89 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,240 This is our our take on reaction videos that all the TikTok kids 90 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,840 are doing. Ah, we're as hip as TikTok kids 91 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,440 now. We wish, we wish. 92 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:48,120 Anywho, just to sort of like maybe paint an idea of like how 93 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:55,120 important and how enormous of an impact this decision is. 94 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,920 Yes, please. Right. 95 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,960 So let's pull out some numbers here. 96 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:09,760 I'm pulling the numbers off of this science article that NSF, 97 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,120 it has statutory authority to oversee the action of the $9 98 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:18,680 billion NSF funding. That's a hell of a lot of money, 99 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,240 right? And basically, these people are 100 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:25,800 the ones who decide where does this 9 billion go to? 101 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Like, what sort of research areas do they want to focus on 102 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,840 fund? Who do they want to fund? 103 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:36,760 Who should get the money? A precious, you know, blood, 104 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,280 sweat and tears American taxpayer dollars to advance 105 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:45,320 science. And, you know, until not too 106 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,640 long ago, I would say America was pretty in a frontier of this 107 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,400 whole thing, enterprise of science and. 108 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,040 Yeah, I would agree. And, and, and the money, the 109 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,760 sheer amount of money that American NSF, like NSF and 110 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:07,320 American Science National Board have been able to pour into this 111 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,920 entire industry of scientific research. 112 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,680 It's just uncomparable compared to like, like to, to any other 113 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,680 single nation really. I'm pretty sure, not that I've 114 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,320 done research, pretty sure America is the single biggest 115 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,240 single nation to fund research at this scale. 116 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,160 It's, it's huge, right? I mean, I would imagine the one 117 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,320 that might be runner up if not in competition at this moment is 118 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,680 probably China. Yeah, OK. 119 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,560 Fair enough. Fair enough. 120 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,880 That's like, I don't, I don't know the numbers, but 121 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,440 regardless, the scale that the NSF is working with, the US was 122 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:55,520 working with is enormous, right? And this result into action is, 123 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,160 is going to be a huge blow. That is not a huge surprise. 124 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,120 We're going off of the same article. 125 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,440 There's reminders that only I think a year ago Trump was 126 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,600 proposing to cut over 50% of the NSF budget. 127 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,760 So like this is not the first action towards the NSF. 128 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,880 It's certainly not the first and they had already lost more than 129 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,080 30% of its staff since January 2025. 130 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,960 And I have a inkling that I was one of those 30% given what 131 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,960 happened to my. Right. 132 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, the the staff and 133 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,240 those being funded by the NSF, right, had a huge loss as a 134 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,080 result of these cuts. And you know, the board still 135 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,400 existed, which is the 20 so odd people, right, who are supposed 136 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,400 to be overseeing a lot of this, right? 137 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:52,600 Who are the experts who you know, have a say in what America 138 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,920 should investing for the future of science? 139 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:02,200 And interestingly, they are like they each serve six year tenure, 140 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,000 which is decidedly longer than the four year present 141 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,640 presidential term, which is kind of the whole point, right? 142 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,960 It's the design of it. They understand that scientific 143 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:20,200 invention discovery don't follow the election cycle. 144 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,560 I mean, how hard is it to understand that? 145 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,240 Don't know, but so the how how this board is designed is that 146 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,800 everyone gets a staggered 6 year tenure. 147 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,920 So it really ensures the continuity of the vision of this 148 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,160 board members, right. So it's not just like half the 149 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,040 people gets, you know, thrown out every couple years. 150 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,600 It's like it's, it's really designed to maintain the 151 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,600 continuity across like in a span of decades, right? 152 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,880 And that's sort of the right kind of timeline to think about, 153 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,080 right time scale to think about when you're thinking about 154 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,640 invention that changes the world, quite frankly. 155 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,360 And and like, yeah, like, that sounds like a good design. 156 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,400 It is a good design. The whole point is that no 157 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,960 single administration can have any say to that. 158 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,680 Or it has independently operated for 76 years. 159 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,480 It's got history as well. Yeah, it's got a huge history. 160 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,480 And to to wipe them all off is just. 161 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:33,520 I don't know if I can describe this adequately, like how much 162 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:40,560 of A blow it is to the entire world's scientific endeavor and 163 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,680 for the humanity at large. I, I, I mean, I don't think that 164 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:49,880 I can put it in scale, right? I, I'm with you in terms of 165 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,320 wondering. I mean, because it's so 166 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,840 immediate right now, and because it's so, it's also not 167 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,480 necessarily clear what the actual result will be. 168 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,840 Right. Like we don't know what he's 169 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,920 planning to do. Like, OK, so like you fired 170 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,760 everyone off. Are you going to replace all the 171 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:20,840 two of them with your favorites or are you going to reduce the 172 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,080 number to like 10 and like kind of keep going or? 173 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,000 Like so far, yeah, I guess so far what I think we've seen and 174 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,880 I, I could be a little off on this, but I am looking both at 175 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,320 the science article and I'm looking at what I can see of the 176 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Nature article at the moment, which points out how the sort of 177 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,920 firing of committees, right, is also not new within the, the 178 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,280 NSF, the, the, you know, federal science advisors, they quote, 179 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,360 fired all 17 members of the Advisory Committee on 180 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,440 Immunization Practices. This was about vaccine related 181 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,880 policies. Eliminated 14 advisory 182 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,800 committees at the NSF just in general. 183 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,720 And then also there was an order issued which eliminated several 184 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,960 other committees, including one on long COVID to supposedly 185 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,800 reduce government spending and quote, promote American freedom 186 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:23,360 and innovation and quote this. This didn't seem to fill any 187 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,800 spaces, right? It was under this sense of 188 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,560 budget procurement of which by the way, for anyone listening, 189 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:36,280 you're probably aware nothing is being saved when you're spending 190 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,880 multiples of a national budget on bombing another country. 191 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:47,240 But like, you know, so, but you have this, right. 192 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,680 So I don't know if these members are gone in like the permanent 193 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:54,600 sense. I don't know if they're to be 194 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,880 replaced at all depending on what this administration seems 195 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,840 to think is a reasonable thing to do. 196 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:04,640 And the reason I have some of this hesitation is because at 197 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,000 least in the Science article that you you found news report 198 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,840 on this, the e-mail, at least the quoted bits of the e-mail 199 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:19,160 sent are just on behalf of President Donald J Trump, I am 200 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,560 writing to inform you that your position as a member of the 201 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:23,800 National Science Board is terminated effective 202 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,160 immediately. Thank you for your service. 203 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,440 Now, if this is just an excerpt, if there's like longer like more 204 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,320 official terminology in there or something might be something 205 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,280 different. But this also reads a lot like 206 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,560 the nonsensical emails that Musk sent out when he was doing his 207 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,640 Doge nonsense. I was, I was just thinking about 208 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,280 that, the very e-mail that I personally received. 209 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Right. Also had the same kind of 210 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:56,480 wording of effective immediately, like no room for 211 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,040 appeal, no room for like, you know, negotiations. 212 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,400 Presented no room for appeal, right? 213 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Like very much. This is my this is my decision. 214 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,120 It's all in my power. You have no say goodbye, right? 215 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,560 That's the. Right, right. 216 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:17,040 And and it's, that's why it felt like almost like a fake e-mail 217 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,640 because you know, what do you mean you're going to freeze, 218 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,120 right? You know, billions of dollars 219 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,800 and what do you mean you're going to fire somebody effective 220 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:34,920 immediately with 0 review 0 like, you know, process where of 221 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,840 like warning system anything like it? 222 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,400 I mind you I got my this Terminator effective immediately 223 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,200 the letter one month after we successfully renewed the grant. 224 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,320 Right, yes, I remember because it was just so insane. 225 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,000 It was. I mean, all of this is insane 226 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,480 because what's happening is a complete abuse of any type of 227 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:06,280 power that exists in this space. And the entire act of wielding 228 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:11,640 what what one thinks is authority here simply to make 229 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,720 decisions without repercussion, without consideration for the 230 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,080 contextual ramifications or where something has already been 231 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,320 agreed. There's no respect for the re 232 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,680 upping right, for the agreement that is made in order to do 233 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,040 this. That's not there. 234 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,240 No respect for the people that are involved. 235 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,440 It's a power move on power move on power move. 236 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,160 And I really hope that everybody is as sick of this as we are. 237 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,120 But. Right. 238 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:46,680 And, and like sort of it's, it's also power move, yes, but it's a 239 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,240 political power move, which they carefully designed so that these 240 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,800 institutions of national budget system, right, like NSF National 241 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:02,160 Science Board, that they made sure that they are independent 242 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,320 operation separate from the political agenda of whatever 243 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,760 administration that might be at the time. 244 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:16,640 Because somebody clever at first decided and knew that science 245 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:23,000 should exist outside of political influence that may or 246 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,440 flip flop here and there. Political system just moves in a 247 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,520 different time scale than the science time scales. 248 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:35,160 And, and we cannot be, you know, dancing around to appease the, 249 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,600 you know, whatever current administration is, which is 250 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,280 exactly what we're doing right now. 251 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,760 And, and the repercussion of that is like, yes, I can use my 252 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,840 imagination to think how terrible that might be, but it 253 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:55,160 is well beyond my imagination. The actual repercussion, the 254 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:02,280 consequence of this type of intervention to science, you 255 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,599 know, the whole point of scientific endeavour is that 256 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,640 it's not influenced by the political weather of the day. 257 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,560 It is not influenced by the trend of the day. 258 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,040 The whole point of basic research is that it's not 259 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,640 trendy. It does not like belong to this 260 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:24,920 fast moving world. And that that's, that's what 261 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,680 applied sciences are for. And, and, and they have decided 262 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,960 NSF have funded both basic and applied research, right. 263 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,280 And these people who just got fired were the ones who decided 264 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,480 how much of what goes into what type of projects. 265 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:49,040 And this is just like decades of progress potentially lost on 266 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,920 this one single decision by an extremely short sighted 267 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,680 administration. And it just like, it makes me so 268 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:05,640 sad because yes, I might have come to US by an accident, but 269 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,680 many of us fall in love in science and dream about doing 270 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,120 research in places like US where job security, money, all of 271 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:21,080 these things might be significantly better than our 272 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,360 home countries. And, and people leave a lot of 273 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:31,840 things behind to do science in environments like what US used 274 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:38,040 to be. And it's so sad that this is 275 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:43,160 clearly no longer the case. And and nobody understands that 276 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:48,280 this isn't just a Trump issue. It's like this, this impact is 277 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,640 going to be lasting well beyond his administration, well beyond 278 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,840 his death, honestly. And. 279 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,120 You don't just fix this. You have. 280 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,120 You have. Chattered a system that like 281 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,920 there are broken parts about this system, but using the 282 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,360 excuse that there are broken parts to shatter parts of the 283 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:13,600 system that are functioning well enough to continue making 284 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:19,280 progress is just a way for you to excuse ignorant, bad, 285 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,040 aggressive, and violent behavior. 286 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,680 Yeah, and this is just like they are truly strangling their own 287 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,360 neck by doing this. It makes me so sad to think that 288 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:38,200 how much discovery, how many new inventions, innovations are just 289 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:44,320 going to be boop lost because this stupid ass guy decided eh I 290 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,600 don't want this anymore. Yeah, it'll just, it's going to 291 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,160 show up elsewhere, right? I mean, I did actually, yeah, I 292 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,200 did. I did find that I think there 293 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,800 was a suggested next meeting for this this committee, this board 294 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,200 on the 5th of May. And there was note about a 295 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,600 report possibly coming out that would cede scientific ground to 296 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,840 China, like noting that that was sort of what was happening, 297 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,320 right, that the the sort of forecast was. 298 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,680 We're sort of not in the sort of lead for public funding of 299 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,640 science. So this is in relation to that. 300 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,920 And look, there's a bunch of political things with, you know, 301 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,960 built within this pace. But this this could have been 302 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,360 even if I want to think about it this way to of like the largest 303 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:41,520 centers of, you know, scientific development and research, both 304 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,520 funding their like, you know, universities and industries 305 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,760 well, to better develop things maybe in a hopefully more 306 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,600 holistic fashion. But instead it's going to be 1 307 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,240 like, and it's it's not going to be the US, not until it recovers 308 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,400 from this. Yeah. 309 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:09,360 So. So, you know, no solutions from 310 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:13,600 us tonight. We're just sad and grieving. 311 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:20,760 And it's, it's just, yeah, no, I, I, I feel like I'm repeating 312 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,000 myself. But seriously, it's like it's, 313 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,240 it's managed to hold up this way for 76 years. 314 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,280 Look at how much ground they were able to lay down over this 315 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,280 past 76 years. Like literally, they gave money 316 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,040 to things like GPS, the entirety of Internet, like, you know, 317 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 everything that we use every day today. 318 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,760 Yeah. In some shape or form came from 319 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,520 these NSF fundings and National Science Board at large. 320 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,040 There's there's something key about that, which is probably 321 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,560 requires a little bit of digging and and, you know, having some 322 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,120 resource on how this functions, right. 323 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:05,840 But that connection you just said is also very much lost. 324 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,000 It gets diluted regularly as things become more normalized 325 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,440 and built within society. Even I don't think about it, 326 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,240 right? I don't, I don't consciously 327 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,080 think about this connection until it's brought up and then 328 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,520 you realize, well, yeah, actually, right. 329 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,200 This stuff came from a place of funding through those systems. 330 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:25,800 It didn't just appear right. Like yes, a lot of it also came 331 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:32,360 from defense related projects and contracts, but these were in 332 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,920 need of that system, right? You don't get that just by 333 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,040 people wandering around, you know, smashing stuff together. 334 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,320 This takes time. Effort, energy structure. 335 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,200 Planning, you know, acceptance and buffer for failure. 336 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,480 Like just like it's really annoying that they had a good 337 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:57,040 thing going on, arguably one of the best unique selling points 338 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:03,840 of America and just gone in one's little e-mail that 339 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,880 probably, you know, some AI generative bot wrote as well. 340 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,760 Yeah, or they just copy and pasted it for Musk's emails. 341 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,120 Yeah, copy and paste it from my previous ones. 342 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:14,840 Yeah, exactly. This is because it's not like 343 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,520 this text is new, right? But not but. 344 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,920 Sad day for American science. RIP. 345 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,680 Sadness that I hope. That's going to be. 346 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,120 Turns into rage because this doesn't deserve to just sort of 347 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,920 sit there and it doesn't even I'm hoping, right. 348 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,360 This was, I think 2 days ago was the earliest, like, you know, 349 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,640 news report I could find on it. And, and I think the date one of 350 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,640 them said was like the 24th Even. 351 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,280 So it might have been four days ago. 352 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:53,200 I'd love, I'd love if there was like an immediate backlash to a 353 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,840 degree that caused sort of a withdrawal because I mean, there 354 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,960 have been growing unrest around a lot of the things that this 355 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:06,280 administration is doing, you know, even within the cohorts of 356 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,000 this administration. And so it would be great to see 357 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,080 a sort of repercussion. But the damage will have been 358 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,320 done to an extent, right? And there was apparently already 359 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,120 tensions that existed within there and this. 360 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:21,560 Stuff. That is just from left field, 361 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,360 but also seems to follow a pattern is how do I put this? 362 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,840 It's so, I mean, yeah, hold on. Satire. 363 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,520 We know satire, right? Like when you make fun of a 364 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,000 thing in the sort of extreme sense and it's kind of real and 365 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,600 it's, you know, it's kind of not, but like, you know, we're, 366 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,760 we're pointing out how ridiculous it is. 367 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,560 If anybody knows what like the news outlet The Onion is, this 368 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,840 is a big satire on, you know, like political, not not just 369 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,520 political, but like news and, and, and that sort of satire, 370 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,680 right? There's a variety of satire 371 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,280 forms here. The Simpsons, right? 372 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,560 You know, South Park, right? Like visual ones, animations. 373 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,960 The problem we're running into, at least from my understanding, 374 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:19,840 is that the satire is too slow. So when they are, when they go 375 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,520 to make like a commentary about what's happening and they pick 376 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,560 the absurd version to say, you know, this is the absurd 377 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,200 version, of course they wouldn't do that. 378 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,240 It takes like a week and then it's been done or like, or like 379 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,320 they get beaten to it before it shows up on air or gets released 380 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,520 as like an article. And so the the sort of 381 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,400 separation between what would have been satire and reality now 382 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,920 is broken in a sense. It's like you. 383 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,760 We're watching what we would have at first thought. 384 00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:00,760 You know, I read a headline like all 20 something 22, right? 385 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,000 However many members of the of the National Science Board have 386 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,640 been fired, you know, and it's like I expect the next line to 387 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,080 be each has been given, you know, a vacation to the Bahamas 388 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,000 and you know, like, and then the president went on his yacht and 389 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240 golfed into the sea or something, right? 390 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,120 And, like, 2 out of three things there are probably true. 391 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,880 You know, like, like, that's like, you know, the people that 392 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,240 got fired, it might be more like, Yep, they sent him a 393 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,320 firing e-mail. You know, Musk promised him some 394 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,280 money, and then he kept it in his bank account. 395 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,720 And and then, and then Trump went golfing. 396 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,200 And. And that's today. 397 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,640 That's today's news. And it's like, I'm sorry, this 398 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,240 should be a joke. This should be a joke. 399 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,200 Yeah. Yeah, no. 400 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,200 And and too many things that should be a joke are no jokes. 401 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:58,440 Are no and. And yeah, but we don't have 402 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,040 conclusions. No. 403 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,160 Conclusions. We're bringing this to your 404 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,880 attention so that you can be aware of it. 405 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,360 Yeah, and, and and once I'm done being said, I should get angry 406 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,960 like you said. Yeah, don't worry, I'll be here. 407 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,360 I've already, I went right through I think to anger. 408 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,320 So I'll, I'll, I'll keep that running. 409 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,280 Hopefully everyone else who's listening is able to experience 410 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,560 it and maybe take this as a sign to just be aware of what's 411 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,120 happening above and around you in your system. 412 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,960 Yeah, Yep. Try not to treat it as just sort 413 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,200 of an outside source that is never going to affect you, 414 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,320 because sometimes turns out those sources are definitely 415 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800 able to affect you in some way. So. 416 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,040 Oh yeah. Yeah, alright. 417 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,480 Well, that note, Thanks. For listening. 418 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,520 Thanks. I hope you I don't. 419 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,080 I hope you none of you enjoyed this. 420 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,640 I hope that you all feel better informed though so. 421 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,240 Yeah. Oh well, see you next. 422 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:05,760 One bye, bye. That's it for the show today. 423 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,240 Thanks for listening and find us on X at Eagle de Science. 424 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:16,040 That is EIGODESCIENCE. See you next time.