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A great way to do that, is by 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 being Adept at presenting in front of other people and just 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:45,500 showing your expertise. Hey everyone, my name is Henry 33 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:49,300 Surya we Robin. And you're listening to the 34 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:52,700 tekhelet, you know, podcast the show where I'll be bringing you. 35 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:55,900 The greatest technical leaders practitioners and thought 36 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:59,400 leaders in the industry to discuss about their Journey 37 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,100 ideas and practices that we all can learn and apply to build a 38 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:07,700 highly performing technical team and to make an impact in your 39 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:10,900 personal work. 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Hello everyone. 107 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:03,500 Welcome back to another new episode of the technician. 108 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:06,500 Our podcast today, I have with me Neil for absurd. 109 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:09,800 He's the founder of this brand, teach the geek. 110 00:06:10,100 --> 00:06:13,000 So if you heard about the name, teach the geek sounds very 111 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,400 interesting. So Neil is actually helping a 112 00:06:15,407 --> 00:06:18,400 lot of people to do public speaking, including Engineers. 113 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:21,500 I think public speaking is something that maybe a lot of 114 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:23,800 Engineers have fears within themselves. 115 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,500 So they want to do it but somehow they couldn't do it. 116 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:30,100 For whatever reasons today, we are going to cover this topic, 117 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,900 how we can help Engineers to become may be briefer. 118 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:37,300 So to speak to become a much more confident in doing public 119 00:06:37,300 --> 00:06:39,300 speaking. So Neil I'm really looking 120 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:40,900 forward to having this discussion. 121 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:44,900 Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me so near, I 122 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:48,600 always love to ask my guess too. Actually Share their Journey 123 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,300 first, maybe some kind of highlights or turning points 124 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:54,000 that you think are interesting for the listeners to learn from 125 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,200 you. Sure. 126 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,200 I became an engineer because my father said I should, I had no 127 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,800 other ideas as to what I wanted to do. 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,900 After high school, I used to lie about that too because I was 129 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,400 embarrassed by it. I noticed a lot of other people 130 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,400 when they were asked that question, they had a lot more 131 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,900 interesting answers. Maybe they played with Legos 132 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,700 when they were kids, maybe they were a little box Club when 133 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:15,900 they're in high school. I was not a member of any 134 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:19,000 robotics club, and I don't, Recall playing with Legos, all 135 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,100 that much. When I was a kid my father, I 136 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:24,500 think thought that just being an engineer would be helpful in 137 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:26,900 just that it's a stable career. So I did it. 138 00:07:27,100 --> 00:07:30,200 I became an engineer like he said then he said do a masters 139 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,100 and I said, all right, I'll do a masters and then he said do a 140 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:36,300 PhD. I started a PhD by dropped out 141 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:39,400 after a year and the reason I dropped out is because at this 142 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,300 point it was just an 18 year old going into college anymore. 143 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:46,300 Now, I'm 24 years old, it was a six years later at some point, 144 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:47,500 you have to start living for yourself. 145 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,500 And not for what other people want for you. 146 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,100 Your parents included. So it was a year of the Ph.D 147 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:54,300 program. I left it. 148 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:56,000 I determine what I'm going to do next. 149 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,200 Luckily I got a job as a research associate after seven 150 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,500 months of looking after I left that Ph.D program and I did a 151 00:08:02,508 --> 00:08:05,900 lot of work in a lab as a research associate, a lot of 152 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:09,000 experiments, a lot of writing of protocols and reports. 153 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:12,300 There was no public speaking, no presentations to be done 154 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:15,000 whatsoever and I was not unhappy about that. 155 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,500 I was quite happy about it. Actually. 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,500 All that work went on. My boss. 157 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,400 It wasn't until that second job that I had as a product 158 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,400 development engineer that I had to start giving presentations. 159 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:26,700 When I first took the job, I didn't have to do any 160 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:29,600 presentations and when I was interviewing for the job, I was 161 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,000 not told about presentations. I thought I was gonna be doing 162 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,799 very similar work that I've done as a research associate. 163 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,700 But a few months into the job I was told I was going to be a 164 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:40,000 project. Lie, what's the Project Lead? 165 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,400 The company was too cheap to hire project managers. 166 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,400 So, they pushed that responsibility onto the product 167 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,500 development Engineers, one of which was giving presentations 168 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,500 in front of Senior Management on a monthly basis on project 169 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:55,000 status, we're talking CEO, see Toc Moc fill-in-the-blank. 170 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,900 Oh, all the Seas were in the audience. 171 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:58,900 Giving this presentation, let me tell you. 172 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:01,200 My first impression tations were absolutely horrendous. 173 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,500 Henry. I did not know was possible to 174 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:06,400 sweat that profusely from one's body, but there, I was doing 175 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,700 exactly that. And what made it even worse is 176 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:11,600 that after the presentations, I get these questions that I 177 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,100 thought I'd answer during the presentation but because I 178 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:16,600 didn't put my presentation in a way that these people could 179 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,100 understand. Again, these questions I was 180 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:21,100 already sweating and I'm sweaty even more. 181 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:23,000 There's just with sweaty mess all together. 182 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:26,900 It wasn't until my project got cancelled that I realized that 183 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:29,300 perhaps this is something I want to get better at giving 184 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:30,900 presentations in front of people. 185 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:33,600 And so I did. I joined Toastmasters for those 186 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,100 of you all, who don't know is an international organization that 187 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:40,200 helps people with their public. Speaking skills is a great Forum 188 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,600 to practice. And then instead of avoiding 189 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,000 giving presentations, like I did with that first job, actively 190 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,700 look for opportunities to give presentations. 191 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:51,500 And basically, I took everything that I learned in becoming more 192 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:54,100 effective in giving presentations and I turned it 193 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:57,500 into a course and I called it. Teach the Geeks to speak and is 194 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:00,200 geared towards people like myself, technical people who 195 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,000 have to give presentations, especially in front of 196 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,200 non-technical audience. Has I realized that just having 197 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,300 a course may not be enough. I wanted to offer more ongoing 198 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:11,600 support. So, earlier this year, I started 199 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,700 a membership in addition to the course, people who join, well, 200 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:18,000 obviously they get the course and they also get Line 201 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,700 community. And then also monthly calls. 202 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,900 So we can talk about all the issues that you're having with 203 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:25,000 your public speaking. And that's essentially where I'm 204 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,900 at now. Thanks for sharing your 205 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:29,000 interesting story. I mean, not to mention also, you 206 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,700 have a podcast which also covers some of the interesting topics 207 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:35,500 from other guests. Some could be related to public 208 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:38,100 speaking but some could be related to engineering as well. 209 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:41,300 So you mentioned that you learn from your experience, may be the 210 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:43,900 hard way, right? But tell us maybe the first 211 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:46,200 thing. Why is it important for all 212 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,000 Engineers to Start thinking about doing public speaking, 213 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:52,200 what's so special about this public speaking. 214 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:56,000 Typically the people who are the communicators are the ones who 215 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,900 are visible within companies. You don't want to be the 216 00:10:58,900 --> 00:11:02,300 engineer sitting in his, or her cubicle mad, because somebody 217 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:05,300 else got the promotion and pay raise, you thought you deserve, 218 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:07,600 but you weren't Network within the company. 219 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,800 You weren't visible. You weren't talking to anyone. 220 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:12,200 You thought that just being technically proficient was 221 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,900 enough, but it's never been enough. 222 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:17,100 You have to be an advocate for yourself because not as if the 223 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,400 Makers are looking at you all the time to figure out what your 224 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,400 career progression should be. You have to be the person that's 225 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,500 driving that a great way to do that is by being Adept at 226 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:29,800 presenting in front of other people and just showing your 227 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,500 expertise. So if we take a lot of software 228 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:34,400 Engineers. So my background is a lot most 229 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,600 of engineering, a lot of software Engineers. 230 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,500 When they start their job, they think their job is to just write 231 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:41,600 code, right? And sit there churning out 232 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,500 stories after stories and probably doing some demo, but 233 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:46,500 that's about it, right? They don't think about public 234 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:48,400 speaking but They are opportunities. 235 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,000 Like you mentioned when you had to present to your sea levels or 236 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,700 whatever that is. So maybe if you can give some 237 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:58,500 kind of tips to those Engineers who still think writing code is 238 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,000 the only job for them and they don't have to do anything else 239 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,500 like resenting. Maybe some tips, how they should 240 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,700 start thinking about doing this public speaking. 241 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:09,100 Well, look for opportunities to do it for sure. 242 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,700 And then once you were given those opportunities, really give 243 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,100 some thought as to the audience that you're going to be speaking 244 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:18,500 in front of when I first started giving I think one of the main 245 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:21,300 reasons I ended up being quite sweaty, by the end of these 246 00:12:21,300 --> 00:12:24,100 presentations because I didn't take into account what the 247 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:26,900 people in the audience needed to know, from me at the end of the 248 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:29,000 presentations. I was just slap slides together, 249 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,200 get up there, read them and try to get out of there as quickly 250 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,700 as possible, but I never got out of there as quickly as possible, 251 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,500 because as I mentioned that often we get questions 252 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:39,100 afterwards. I thought I'd answered. 253 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:43,000 So, I'm a big fan of really taking into account what these 254 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,900 people need from you. When I was giving presentations 255 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:48,500 in front of management, what I ended up doing doing was going 256 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:50,600 to the senior Management's admins. 257 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,600 It's very difficult to get time with the senior managers because 258 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,400 they're busy, but if you go to their administrative assistants, 259 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,200 they very well know what this person wants in the 260 00:12:59,208 --> 00:13:01,200 presentation. So you go and ask them, what 261 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,700 kind of information do I need to have this presentation for your 262 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:06,400 boss to pay attention, and then you make sure that you have that 263 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,500 type of information within your presentation. 264 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,900 So that's one thing. Another thing I would mention is 265 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:13,600 timing. I don't think a lot of people 266 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,400 really give this as much Credence of it deserves. 267 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:19,300 But these are busy People. I mentioned that I had to give 268 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:21,700 presentations in front of management, but it wasn't just 269 00:13:21,700 --> 00:13:23,900 me every project that was going on. 270 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,400 Within the company was being presented on. 271 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,700 This was a full day Affair. This presentation after 272 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:33,300 presentation after presentation. So it was really important to 273 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:36,700 take time into account or else the agenda for that day is just 274 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:39,800 going to go off the rails. So if you're given 15 minutes to 275 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,000 give a presentation practice it, so that not only that you 276 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,700 finished within the 15 minutes but that you leave a bit of 277 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:48,200 buffer in the event that you say, Something during the 278 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,900 presentation that you didn't practice. 279 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:52,800 So if you're given 15 minutes practice let you finish within 280 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,500 14. So you have a minute to play 281 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:58,000 with another tip. I would offer is try to minimize 282 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,300 the technical jargon that you would use amongst your 283 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:02,000 colleagues. Especially if you're talking to 284 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 a non-technical audience, they may very well not understand 285 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,900 what you're talking about. They may not ask and if they do 286 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:11,100 not ask, that's a bad size, the red flag because they may not 287 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,200 have even listen to your presentation in the first place. 288 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:16,700 And if they do ask well, now you've essentially wasted time 289 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:19,300 in half I'm happy to ask those type of questions. 290 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:21,900 You could have used more. Commonly used words in your 291 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:24,900 presentation to begin with, OR at least, explain what the 292 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:27,300 technical jargon that you were using mint during the 293 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,700 presentation. Thanks for those tips. 294 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:32,600 So, for those of you who want to practice more public speaking, 295 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,400 maybe you can practice some of those tips that need this shit. 296 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,100 I understand, I know from few people that they are some 297 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:40,200 challenges for people to start public speaking. 298 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,000 So maybe if we can spend the next few minutes to actually 299 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,800 cover some of these common challenges, the first one is 300 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,700 actually the very typical one. I don't have confidence maybe 301 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:52,900 since childhood, they are not taught to do public speaking. 302 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:54,800 They are not taught how to do presentation. 303 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,100 Well then they don't like speaking as well. 304 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,200 For some of us introvert, we don't like public speaking. 305 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:03,300 What kind of things that you can tell for people who are lacking 306 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:07,400 of confidence, you need to tell yourself that you are improving. 307 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:10,100 Don't tell yourself you suck. Could you tell yourself you 308 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:11,700 suck? You will, if you tell yourself, 309 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:14,600 you're improving, then you will something that I advise people 310 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,400 to do before they give presentations is to actually 311 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,800 Visualize themselves doing well and really helps to really put 312 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,900 you in the frame of mind to actually do well. 313 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,400 So something that I do is I hold my eyes, I'll take a deep 314 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,400 breath. And I'll picture how I want the 315 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,800 presentation to go. I'll hit all the points that I 316 00:15:30,808 --> 00:15:33,300 want to, in the order. I want to hit them, the people 317 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:35,700 will be looking at me, they won't be looking at their phones 318 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:39,000 or looking off into space. When the presentation is done, I 319 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,500 will give a call to action, that's clear and easily follow a 320 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:44,900 bubble. The people that ask questions I 321 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:47,700 will have answers and in the event that I don't I won't Don't 322 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:50,800 try to pretend like I do. I'll be confident enough to say 323 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,000 that. I don't know the answer but I'll 324 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,800 find out the information and find out the answer and then I 325 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,000 open my eyes and I'm in a much better place to actually get up 326 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,100 there in front of people to give the presentation. 327 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,000 I mean like of course all these things will help. 328 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,700 Right so I think the only Edition that I would add also 329 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:08,100 probably from the person themselves they need to have 330 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:12,000 that motivation to want to do it because otherwise it always 331 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,000 become an excuse for them. Not to do it, I guess the 332 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,300 confidence part, sometimes it's a psychological. 333 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,200 The visualization technique I think yes that's really 334 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,500 interesting. So maybe for those of you who 335 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:26,000 want to visualize how you do it successfully that can give some 336 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,800 kind of inner motivation for you as well. 337 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,300 And then the other thing that I sometimes heard of course when 338 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:34,500 we do presentations, most of the time is to cover our project our 339 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:37,000 work. But sometimes you have to do it 340 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,300 publicly as in like maybe in a conference maybe in a meetups 341 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:43,500 something that you have done but not necessarily the most 342 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:45,200 expertise that you have actually. 343 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:48,000 So some of these people actually think they They should not 344 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,100 present because they are not the subject matter expert and that's 345 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:52,700 why again, coming back to the computers. 346 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:55,600 They're not confident. So maybe there are some tips for 347 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,900 those people who actually want to present but they feel they 348 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:01,000 are lacking because of the expertise. 349 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:06,099 Well, in those instances I'm a big fan of doing it anyway 350 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,000 because there's going to be people in the audience that are 351 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,599 experts either. And if they see you presenting 352 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,599 and you're not before most subject matter expert, it may 353 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:18,099 give them the confidence to do it to you could be Catalyst for 354 00:17:18,099 --> 00:17:20,599 them to have the confidence to actually give presentations. 355 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,200 So I wouldn't let not being the number one expert in any given 356 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,000 field. Stop you from doing 357 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,599 presentations. There's going to be a lot of 358 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,900 people in the audience are going to be similar to you, maybe even 359 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:32,900 lower than you so you're an expert to them. 360 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:36,800 Yeah so this thing is sometimes referred as impostor syndrome, 361 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,000 right? Because I think in Tech 362 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,600 especially there's just so many things that we always feel like 363 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,200 we are lacking. We are not experts. 364 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,600 So I think, like, what you mentioned, there are so many 365 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,300 people out there, some could be more expensive. 366 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,800 But than you of course. But don't forget that there are 367 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,200 a lot of people who are also studying or who may not 368 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,200 understand the technical details that you are talking about. 369 00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:59,300 So don't let the subject matter expert becomes your barrier. 370 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,200 The other thing that I sometimes hear from people is that for 371 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,700 those non English, speaking people language is actually one 372 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:08,800 of the barrier. They think they have funny 373 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,100 accents, they don't speak fluently or they don't do good 374 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:14,700 storytelling and things like that. 375 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,800 So, maybe some tips, how do we overcome Language barrier for 376 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,600 those who are non-english speaking. 377 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:24,500 Well, in though, as this is I think the people in the audience 378 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:27,000 will have a lot of Grace for those people, because they 379 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,700 probably can imagine having to give a presentation in another 380 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:33,800 language given that perhaps they only have one language that I'm 381 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,000 bilingual or trilingual. It's just one language they 382 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,800 have. I couldn't imagine going 383 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,000 somewhere else and having to give a presentation in another 384 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,500 language, English is my only one. 385 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,300 So when you hear someone with an accent, you get the sense that 386 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:46,700 okay, this persons first language isn't English. 387 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,700 And yet there, Up in front of us talking anyway that takes a lot 388 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:52,300 of bravery and a lot of Courage. So I think you'll get a lot of 389 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:55,000 respect from the people in the audience for doing that. 390 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,300 And then also, when it comes to being someone who's speaking in 391 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:01,100 a language that isn't your native tongue. 392 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:04,500 I would highly suggest speaking more slowly because of your 393 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:07,900 accent, it might be difficult for the native speakers to 394 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:10,800 understand you. So in those instances, try to 395 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,000 speak a bit more slowly to make sure that people get what you're 396 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,100 saying, I think the speak slowly is a good tips. 397 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:20,100 Don't try to become fluent English speaking anyway because 398 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:22,800 you are not. So, instead of trying to become 399 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,000 a person that you are not, then maybe you should leverage your 400 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,500 situation and maybe speak slowly, maybe speak even better, 401 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:31,400 right? Choose the proper language, not 402 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,200 the technical jargons or difficult English, so that 403 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600 people can relate back to what you're presenting. 404 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:40,100 So the next one, that I want to cover, adding some people told 405 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,800 me about this as well, it is probably deep sir. 406 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,600 So they had passed through Roma. So maybe they did public 407 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,800 speaking before they didn't do well. 408 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,300 People probably mock them or whatever, so they feel ashame of 409 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:56,300 freight to do it next time because they had a very bad 410 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:59,400 experience before. So tell us how we can probably 411 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,900 overcome this for those who didn't start well for their 412 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:05,300 public speaking experience. Well, I don't know if you know 413 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:08,400 this, but public speaking is the number one fear of most people. 414 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:11,500 And I think a lot of times, the reason it is that number one 415 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:14,200 fears because they have one of those really bad experiences 416 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,700 doing. What I would say to get over, it 417 00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:19,600 is just it certainly will take some time but especially, if 418 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,500 you're somebody who wants to gain visibility within a company 419 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,800 instead of thinking about the fear and the traumatic 420 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,000 experience, think of what you're going to get by improving your 421 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 public speaking skills or your presentation skills, in most 422 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,100 instances, that's going out, far outweigh the fear that you have 423 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,600 and how about maybe the physical things like you mentioned in the 424 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,700 beginning. You'll actually was sweating a 425 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:43,500 lot in the presentation. How did you manage to overcome 426 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:45,400 that before you probably? Like most. 427 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,700 So at now, probably is like a nice for you. 428 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:51,000 Well, if you're a sweater wear sweaters, sweaters? 429 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,100 Hide sweat. Really well. 430 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,100 Right, right? Thanks for sharing all. 431 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:58,400 These common tips for challenges that people commonly have from 432 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,600 you're helping. Other people, are there any 433 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,300 challenges that may be worth or interesting to share to the 434 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:05,400 listeners here? Sure. 435 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,600 The use of filler words words like um you know so and like 436 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:13,600 these words are common in just your conversational language but 437 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,400 they can be Ting. The people in the audience. 438 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,600 As you mentioned, I have a podcast. 439 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,600 And I once had a guest on my podcast, my mother called me 440 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,800 about this guest, this particular episode. 441 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,600 And she said that after a few minutes, she couldn't listen to 442 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,100 the episode anymore because my guest used so many filler words, 443 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:33,300 she found so distracting. She just had to stop. 444 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,300 That's unfortunate because it was a really good episode but in 445 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,800 the event that you are one of those people that use a lot of 446 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,600 filler words, I highly suggest when you practice to actually 447 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,700 record yourself so you can listen back and see how many 448 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:47,400 Filler words, you use. So at least, you know what, your 449 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,900 Baseline is and what you need to do to improve. 450 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,700 It's very difficult to improve without having that sort of 451 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:54,800 measurement. And then also, when it comes to 452 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,600 full of words, a reason to improve, it is Elementary, you 453 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,000 have people like my mother who are distracted by them, if you 454 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 minimize them, those people will listen and then the people who 455 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,300 weren't all that bothered by them. 456 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:06,700 They'll listen anyway. So at least, you'll get more 457 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:08,900 people engaged in actually listening to what you have to 458 00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:10,800 say. Yeah, I think Philo. 459 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,600 What's is also something that if people are not fluent in doing 460 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,000 public speaking, they I'll tend to think before they speak and 461 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,200 that's where the Fela was, probably, naturally come. 462 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,600 So I think those monsters, like, what you mentioned, have this 463 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,600 activity, where they will count those Fela was, and at the end, 464 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,900 they will tell you, okay? You did so many of this video, 465 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:29,400 what's and you can improve from there, but if you don't join 466 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,400 Toastmasters like what you said, I think record yourself and play 467 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,100 it back and then maybe you do your accounting and then you 468 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,800 will see how you can improve from there. 469 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,500 I saw from your website that you gave some public speaking tips. 470 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:43,400 The easy public speaking tips. I think we have covered some of 471 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,000 them but there are some I think will be useful to cover as well. 472 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,600 So for example, maintaining eye contact. 473 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,200 So I think for people who present offline in an event or 474 00:22:52,208 --> 00:22:55,800 something like that, they have to face the crowds, sometimes it 475 00:22:55,808 --> 00:22:58,300 could be intense, sometimes it could be in hundreds. 476 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,000 I think this is another fear for a lot of people because they are 477 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,700 not used to seeing a lot of eye contacts, looking at them at one 478 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:07,300 go, so maybe can tell us some tips for this one. 479 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,800 I am someone who struggles with eye contact, when I was in 480 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,200 Toastmasters. I was told that when you give a 481 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,100 presentation Ation you should maintain eye contact with 482 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:20,600 someone 23 seconds. You don't know how long 3 S is 483 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,100 until you stare at somebody for 3 seconds it seems like an 484 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:24,900 eternity. What would happen with me? 485 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:27,400 Is when I would do it, I would forget what I'm going to say 486 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,200 next and then a whole bunch of bums and the other dogs would 487 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,900 come. You want to minimize those 488 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:33,300 because you want my mother to listen. 489 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,200 So what you would do to help with that is you don't look at 490 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,900 people's eyes, you look at their eyebrows, they can't tell the 491 00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:41,200 difference. At least for me when I looked at 492 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,100 eyebrows. It wasn't as distracting as 493 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,300 looking into people's eyes. It just seems so you look at the 494 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:48,300 eyebrows, not the eyes themselves. 495 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,200 I think the ad people can tell. So some tips that I use as well 496 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,100 as time is actually, instead of looking the near end of the 497 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:59,100 people, people who sit in front of you, look at the far end 498 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:01,500 people, right? So, maybe that gives lesser 499 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:05,100 pressure and the other thing is I think not to have eye contact 500 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:08,000 to all of them. Just focus on the few who are 501 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,100 interested in your speaking because that sometimes can also 502 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:13,600 give you back motivation. Instead of you look at so many 503 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,300 other people, some get this. Acted. 504 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:18,000 Some don't really pay attention or some, give that look that you 505 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 don't like. So, I think that also gives 506 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,800 pressure. These are some of the tips that 507 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,700 work for me and thanks for, you know, giving this tips for 508 00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:26,800 looking at eyebrows. I think, yeah, people probably 509 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,700 can't tell that you're not looking at their eye instead of 510 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,100 recording the Audio. I think you also mentioned that 511 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:36,100 we should also record the video. So, tell us why recording the 512 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:39,500 video of us giving public speaking is also useful for us. 513 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,900 Well, I would actually suggest a video is better than just the 514 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:46,500 audio, but You can only get the audio that's fine. 515 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,000 At least with video. Obviously you get the audio to 516 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,800 so you're able to listen back and hear all those filler words, 517 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,000 you use, but you're also able to see yourself and see, did you do 518 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,300 anything during your presentation just physically 519 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,200 that you want to improve on or that you actually. 520 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,000 Like I remember when I was in Toastmasters, I was a judge of a 521 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,900 speech contest. I was one of the two judges and 522 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,000 the person who actually gave the speech, they patted the right 523 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,200 hand on their leg, during their presentation. 524 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,300 This is something I did not notice, but the other Judge did 525 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:19,100 this is something that if this person was videoing themselves, 526 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,900 they would have seen themselves. It's one thing for somebody to 527 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:24,300 say, you patted your leg, perhaps, you don't believe them, 528 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,400 but if you actually see yourself doing it yourself, well, you 529 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,500 can't really say that the person wasn't telling the truth. 530 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,100 You see it yourself and now you have a decision to make is this 531 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:33,700 something you want to get better at or not? 532 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,900 Yeah, so that's a good point because sometimes when you are 533 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:39,800 doing public speaking offline, people will see your body 534 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,200 language. So tell us some tips about body 535 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,100 language, how we should do. It may be Kind of post that is 536 00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:49,000 commonly accepted. Is there any grudges that we 537 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,100 should watch out for when it comes to the physical gestures? 538 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,000 I think this is definitely person-specific, there are 539 00:25:56,008 --> 00:25:57,600 definitely people that use a lot. 540 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,400 More hand gestures and they're going to be people that are 541 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,700 distracted by the hand gestures. And then there's going to be 542 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,400 people that want more hand gestures. 543 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,700 It gets, goes back to the point I made about myself and the 544 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:11,100 other judge giving feedback to this first, and giving a speech. 545 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,900 When it comes to feedback, you could very well, get conflicting 546 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,200 feedback. You get someone who says, I like 547 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,300 your eye contact. You get someone who says, 548 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,000 improve your eye contact. So what are you supposed to do? 549 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,900 You have to run all feedback through your own filter and 550 00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,800 don't feel like you have to implement all feedback that you 551 00:26:26,808 --> 00:26:28,600 get. Does it make sense for you? 552 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:31,000 After you looking at your video of yourself, giving a 553 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,500 presentation, did you like your eye contact? 554 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,500 And if so, then maybe that's not something you want to 555 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:37,700 prioritize? What if you are the first in 556 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,500 this padding, their leg with their ad? 557 00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:41,300 And that's something you don't want to do anymore? 558 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,200 Well, maybe that's feedback, you should take and try to improve 559 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,200 on that. Yeah, so you mentioned about 560 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,200 getting feedback. I think this is also one of your 561 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,700 tips for many people that I know after giving presentation there 562 00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,800 feel like, okay I'm done. So, I just don't want to talk 563 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,300 about it anymore, but I think the most important thing is also 564 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,500 to get the feedback how you can improve yourself from there. 565 00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,000 So, tell us how we can get feedback. 566 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,100 Is it like, we have to record all the time because sometimes 567 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,900 the event is not ours, right? How do you get feedback? 568 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,800 Normally for your presentation? I'll usually just bring my 569 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,600 camera phone and I record myself. 570 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,600 So even if Is no recording from the organizer from the event. 571 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,300 I'll have my own recording so I can at least see myself or at 572 00:27:20,308 --> 00:27:23,100 least hear myself, at least. If you're doing a presentation 573 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,300 at work, you can ask the people in the audience. 574 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:27,200 What do you like about? What I did, what do you think I 575 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600 can improve on? And as I mentioned you use your 576 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,300 own filter to then figure out what you want to prioritize 577 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,500 getting better at. Yes, surveys. 578 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,800 All one thing that is quite common although probably the 579 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,200 feeling rate might not be as high but they are survey asking 580 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,100 candidate for some of the audience. 581 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:44,600 I think that also useful, don't forget that. 582 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,300 Well maybe the kind of message that you kind of like convey to 583 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,300 people understand it as well or not. 584 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,600 I think that is one thing that is also important. 585 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,100 We have spoken about common challenges physical summer, 586 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,000 psychological. Maybe let's go to the techniques 587 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,200 how you can do better presentation. 588 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,200 I mean, these days, people always tell about storytelling, 589 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,600 maybe some tips on what kind of techniques people should use to 590 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,100 be more effective. In terms of conveying, the 591 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:13,600 message I say, you start with the end in mind. 592 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:16,300 What do you want people to? Take away from your presentation 593 00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:18,700 when they leave. So you determine what your call 594 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:21,300 to action is. And then once you do that, you 595 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:24,200 figure out what points do you need to make that will funnel 596 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,200 naturally into what that call to action is then when you figure 597 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,300 out what those points are, you develop your introduction, which 598 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:33,400 naturally feeds into the points, which feeds into their call to 599 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600 action. So, I'm a big fan of starting 600 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,500 with the end and then working backwards, any kind of coverage 601 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:41,100 that you can tell about storytelling. 602 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:44,200 Because I think many people talk about storytelling, maybe from 603 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,500 your As well. Is there anything that you can 604 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,400 share? Sure, storytelling is something 605 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,500 that I didn't think was appropriate for technical 606 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,600 presentations when I started giving presentations, but I see 607 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,500 it. Now, as almost essential, 608 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,900 especially if you're talking to a non-technical audience. 609 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,400 I remember when I was a kid my mother or father would read me a 610 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,000 bedtime story before I went to bed. 611 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:08,200 I used to love it but then once you become an adult for some 612 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,600 reason we move away from it. But if you're able to take your 613 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200 technical expertise or the technical data that you want to 614 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,600 convey, Two people and put it into stories. 615 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,300 It's going to be more likely that they'll remember what you 616 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:22,100 have to say as opposed to just spitting out a bunch of dried 617 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,700 data. Speaking about date outright, 618 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,700 how should we present the data? Because they are some 619 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,000 presentations, which are, you know, a lot of data in fact, too 620 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,600 many how should we present the data? 621 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,000 Maybe there's a visualization technique that we should use. 622 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000 So any tips about presenting data of facts? 623 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,800 Well definitely once you know, the type of Artisans you're 624 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,200 going to be talking to that will help Determining the level of 625 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,200 what you go into when it comes to the data. 626 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,700 But they're not only that. But if you have slides and you 627 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,800 have graphs and tables, you want to give those slides or those 628 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,700 graphs and tables titles that naturally convey, what you want 629 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:59,400 the audience to take away from your presentation, you don't 630 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,300 want to just give it any sort of just random title with a bunch 631 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,600 of words, that they may not understand what do they need to 632 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,700 get out of that graph. What do they need to get out of 633 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:10,100 that table and give them a title that would convey that. 634 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:13,700 Thanks for sharing that because I've seen so many chats, so many 635 00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,100 data, but they Don't actually pinpoint. 636 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:19,500 What exactly you want the listeners to learn from that 637 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,100 chart? So I think giving the Q so maybe 638 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,200 you scum coloring technique some different types of charts, it's 639 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,400 also one art in presenting, right? 640 00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:30,400 So that people can actually get the insights from the data that 641 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,300 you are showing them. So I think that's a great tip 642 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,800 you mention about managing our time, right? 643 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,300 So if you are given 15 minutes, maybe we should do it earlier. 644 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,600 How should we Pace ourselves? So do we need to rehearse many 645 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,500 times before we do the presentation. 646 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,900 There are some tips here on managing the time. 647 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,900 Well, I mean, if you give it 15 minutes and I mentioned to 648 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:54,100 finish within 14, you practice until you're finishing 649 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:57,600 consistently in 14 minutes and then, as I mentioned, you then 650 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,200 have that one minute to play with. 651 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,100 In the event that you say, something during the 652 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:03,800 presentation that you didn't practice, which inevitably is 653 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,300 the case. Another way I would try to just 654 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:09,700 keep track of time, is this to know if you're using slides? 655 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:11,400 When you get to the halfway point? 656 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,700 What time are you at? So if you have, for instance, N 657 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,600 Slides, we have 14 minutes as I mentioned to give the 658 00:31:17,608 --> 00:31:20,600 presentation when you get to slide 5. 659 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,400 Where are you? Are you at 7:00? 660 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,600 And if you are, then you're on Pace if you're behind, then you 661 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,300 got a quick enough with the other slides. 662 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:29,300 Yeah. So managing time, I think so. 663 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:32,000 So important, especially when you have a long day for those 664 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,000 listeners, they wanna probably also refresh their mind not to 665 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,300 be in presentation mode all the time. 666 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,200 So I think managing our time is pretty crucial and rehearse, I 667 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,600 think it's very important, right? 668 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,700 Because if you never practice, then You will not be able to get 669 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:47,400 a sense. How long do you need for the 670 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,200 presentation? These days? 671 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,100 We have so many types of presentation, right? 672 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:55,000 I mean, during the pandemic, most of the presentations will 673 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,700 be online. So true Zoom Google meet webinar 674 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:01,100 and things like that. Any kind of different tips you 675 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:04,200 want to give for people who are giving online presentation. 676 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,600 Did I really want to be somewhere where it's quiet. 677 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,100 So to make sure that people actually hear you, you don't 678 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:12,800 want to distracting backgrounds to make sure that your 679 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,800 background is pretty playing. You don't want to People 680 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,800 focusing on your background. Now, what you're actually 681 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,100 saying, what make sure that the lighting is good. 682 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,800 So if you're going to give a presentation make sure the light 683 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,400 is actually shining on you not the other way around. 684 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,700 Or if you'll just look like a shadow you want to make sure 685 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:30,000 that your laptop is position so that you're able to look into 686 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000 the camera as opposed to looking at the screen. 687 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,700 So if you're looking at the screen, doesn't look like you're 688 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:35,600 looking at the people. I mean these are some of the 689 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,600 tips that I would have for virtual presentations. 690 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,100 What about conference, those giant events, where there are 691 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,000 probably hundreds of people where there is a stage As well, 692 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:46,800 and there's a mic and things like that. 693 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,300 So these are the more elaborate events or maybe any tips for 694 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,400 those kind of events. Sure. 695 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,700 Well, you definitely want to visualize success in those 696 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,100 events because people are going to be able to see all your 697 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,300 physical manifestations of nervousness. 698 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:01,700 But even the event that you are nervous. 699 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,300 I see that as a sign that you actually care about what you're 700 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,500 talking about in your interested in people, really getting what 701 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,100 you're saying, if you're not nervous as probably a sign that 702 00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,500 you don't care all that much. If there's a stage perhaps you 703 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,500 use the stage 2, Your advantage and move around so that the 704 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,400 audience can actually see you up close or closer in the event 705 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,600 that there is a Podium. Then you obviously you stick 706 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,800 behind the podium and gear presentation there. 707 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,100 But still make sure that you're looking at the audience, as 708 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,100 opposed to looking at your screen and looking at your 709 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,200 slides, get speaking about nervousness, right? 710 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,800 I think some tips that I learned as well, is that instead of 711 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,600 making that as a pressure, you transform that to become an 712 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,100 excitement. So instead of being nervous, you 713 00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,100 see I'm excited to do this and that's why I feel a little bit 714 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:46,500 uncomfortable so Thing instead of no succumbing to the 715 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:50,000 nervousness, you make yourself excited instead and I think, 716 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,400 yeah, you should care what you talked about, you should change 717 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,700 the mindset, I just want to share what I know instead of 718 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:58,900 wanting to become an expert or something like that. 719 00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:02,200 So I think the key message here is it's within your control. 720 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:05,400 How you can probably manage yourself so that you can give a 721 00:34:05,408 --> 00:34:08,300 better presentation. So Neil maybe you have helped a 722 00:34:08,308 --> 00:34:11,300 lot of people, right? Is there any other interesting 723 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,699 cases that you can share here for those people who will Still 724 00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:16,300 want to get some more tips from you. 725 00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:18,900 Well you have to get out there and do it. 726 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,699 You can't be like me during that first job being happy that your 727 00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:24,900 boss is doing all the presentations and you get to 728 00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,800 pass all that information that you would have presented to him. 729 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,600 When it comes to getting better at giving presentations. 730 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,300 You can listen to all the podcast read, all the books. 731 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:36,300 Look at all the YouTube videos until you actually get out there 732 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:37,800 and do it. You won't get better. 733 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,300 Practice makes progress. Yep. 734 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,600 That's right. So we can always get inspiration 735 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,900 from great public speaking, but Times. 736 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:46,500 We have the challenge to actually do it. 737 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,199 So, I think thanks for reminding that. 738 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:50,500 The thing that's really important, just do it, practice 739 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:52,300 it. Sometimes you don't need to go 740 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,300 public or with people viewing. You can also record yourself. 741 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,900 I think this is also a key that I learned, you can just record 742 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,800 yourself as and then watch it and learn from their do you 743 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,400 dread yourself speaking in the recording or not? 744 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,200 So I think that's also one tips that I learned I think speaking 745 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,500 about being more visible. I get a lot of people telling me 746 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,200 that doing more public, speaking actually gives you a lot more 747 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400 opportunity, maybe not just within work. 748 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,600 But because visibility in work is important, but from outside 749 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,200 of work, you'll get more opportunity. 750 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,600 So tell us what kind of opportunities we will get by 751 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,700 doing more public speaking. Maybe another job if you don't 752 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:26,200 like the job that you currently have. 753 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,800 So and yeah, I mean, you can never look as well. 754 00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,000 It's definitely great for networking. 755 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,800 It's great for even fighting other opportunities that might 756 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,900 be paid. There are people that started 757 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:42,200 off giving presentations, because they just were 758 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,900 interested in whatever they're talking about. 759 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,600 I just wanted to be Front of people, but in the event that 760 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,300 people actually want to hear what you have to say and 761 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:50,800 willing, to give you money for it. 762 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:53,800 Well then now you have that opportunity to do what you 763 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,600 actually like and get paid for it too. 764 00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:58,700 I think some talks can Inspire other people, right? 765 00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,900 So, I think coming back to the levels in the audience, you may 766 00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:04,700 have different types of people, some probably more experienced 767 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:08,900 some not, but for those who are probably not at that level, as 768 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,800 you also, probably sometimes, you can give inspiration to them 769 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,700 and you will connect and that's why you have, Opportunities from 770 00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:18,200 my experience as well. Doing this podcast, I also get a 771 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000 lot of opportunities. So I think for people who are 772 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,500 still thinking of doing public speaking, I think it can give 773 00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:26,400 you some benefit. It's not just about your public 774 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,400 speaking but also other opportunities. 775 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:31,800 And hey, maybe you can find a cool job, they are next cool job 776 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,000 out of this opportunity. So Neil, as we are going to the 777 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,200 end of the conversation, I really enjoyed this. 778 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,900 Actually, I think a lot of practical tips for those who 779 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:41,600 want to do better public speaking. 780 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,200 I have one last question before I wrap up the I have this custom 781 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,200 question which I called three technical leadership. 782 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,600 Wisdom. So think of it like an advice 783 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,000 that you want to give to listeners. 784 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,500 May be from your experience, your expertise, what are your 785 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,900 technical leadership? Wisdom, new be clear, be 786 00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,500 thoughtful, and listen. So, if you're somebody who is 787 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,300 the manager people, you definitely want to be clear and 788 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,800 what you expect out of them and what you need them to do. 789 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,700 So that there is no miscommunication. 790 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:12,200 The you also want to be thoughtful in what you say to 791 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,300 them to so that you don't have to apologize. 792 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,000 Later. Because you said something that, 793 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,500 perhaps, they might be offended by, that's going to take some 794 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,300 time, obviously, to figure out what people sensibilities are. 795 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:24,300 And then you also want to listen, you don't want to be the 796 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,900 person who's just a talker and your ideas, the best idea, and 797 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:29,500 everyone just has to implement it. 798 00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:32,500 You want to listen to what other people have to say to. 799 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:36,200 And once you do that, that actually informs your ability to 800 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,700 be clear and also be thoughtful to. 801 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,400 So, again, it's be clear, be thoughtful and listen. 802 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,700 Well, speaking like a true public speaking, I expect big 803 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,400 clear, be thoughtful and don't forget to listen, we are not 804 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,100 there just to speak but also to listen from others. 805 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,900 So again, thanks for the tips, near for people who like this 806 00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,000 conversation and they want to follow up a continue. 807 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000 The conversation from you, is there a place where they can 808 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,700 find you online? Sure, you mention my podcast so 809 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:09,100 you can go to podcast.fool.com if you prefer to actually see me 810 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:13,800 and my guests, you can go to the YouTube channel at Geek.com. 811 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,300 And then there's also the actual website, teach the geek.com 812 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,400 right. I'm sure people will miss it, 813 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,200 teach the gig. I think it's pretty unique 814 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,700 brand. So, for those of you who want to 815 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,200 learn more about public speaking, do make sure to check 816 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,100 out Neil's resources that he just mentioned. 817 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,000 So Neil, thank you so much for your time. 818 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:31,400 I really enjoyed this conversation, hope you have a 819 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400 good luck to transform love people to be better. 820 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200 Public speaking, great. Thanks again for having me 821 00:38:36,207 --> 00:38:42,700 Henry, thank you for listening to this episode and for staying 822 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,600 Until the end if you highly enjoyed it, I would appreciate 823 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,100 if you share it with your friends and colleagues who you 824 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,900 think would also benefit from listening to this episode. 825 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,900 And if you are new to the podcast, make sure to subscribe 826 00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:57,400 and leave me your valuable review and feedback. 827 00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,600 It helps me a lot in order to grow this podcast better. 828 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,900 You can also find the full show notes of this conversation on 829 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,900 the episode page at tackling journal. 830 00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,400 The death website, including the full transcript, interesting 831 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,700 quotes, and links to the resources mention from the 832 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,300 Position. 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