1 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,680 What has my life become, Jake What I. 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,120 Think it's become something spectacular? 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:17,600 There you go. Just. 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,240 Putting the mic a little bit closer for you. 5 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:23,000 Thank you. So here we go. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,480 So a new episode, a new adventure is what we're having 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,240 here today. Definitely adventure. 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,200 Oh, Jake, I had, I had a little gift for you. 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,480 Actually, I'm just going to go back off camera and grab it for 10 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:36,120 you all. Right. 11 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:43,120 Yeah, OK. Oh, I hear rustling. 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,920 I don't really know if these are your things and I don't want 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,440 this to be a bit weird, but these they're for you. 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,720 Might be a little bit allergic. Oh, what are these for? 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,280 Wait, it's it's, it's her anniversary episode. 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,800 Or or anniversary and you said you weren't going to talk about 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,480 the podcast. It's been a year. 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,240 It's been a year since you joined the podcast. 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,400 What? Really. 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,280 A year. Ago Thank you. 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,680 We sat down for the conversation for the first time and we said, 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,040 why don't you join? Has it really? 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,040 Been a year, It's been a year. How's it been? 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,400 How's it been for you? Well, I mean, it's flown by. 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,240 Excuse the pattern, but it's flown by, ain't it? 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Yeah. It just feels like it was only 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,000 yesterday that we were sat here talking about how we came to 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 meet and, and what you've been doing on the pod and well, I 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,120 mean, we've, we've, we've got really close, didn't we? 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,440 And, and we've met so many amazing people. 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,840 We have and we've been cut. We've become best friends along 32 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,960 the way, haven't we Jake? We're good buds. 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,200 We're good buds. I wonder for you, has there has 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,480 there been a highlight at all over the past year, over this 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,960 first year of being part of the Martin talk show? 36 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,240 Oh, it's. Got to be zippy. 37 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,040 It's zippy, isn't it? Yeah, I'd say you've mentioned 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,000 it more than once, haven't you? Yes, that and watching The 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Muppets with you. Yes. 40 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,080 Do you know what that was a per that was a favorite for me. 41 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,640 We got, we got to sit down, we got to watch a special episode 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,680 of The Muppets together and have a chat about the things that we 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,080 love, which we're continuing to do today. 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,920 And if anyone's tuned in and is like, what are those crazy 45 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:18,440 things they're wearing? Going on. 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,920 Well, this is for a little bit of Jake. 47 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,080 It's like protection, is it not? What do these things do? 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Have you got any idea? I have no idea, but I've heard 49 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,280 that some people say it can protect your brain. 50 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,640 Yes, protecting the brain waves from the aliens, because, Jake, 51 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:41,840 I hear they're on the way. I've, I mean, everyone's got an 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,760 opinion on it, ain't they? They have it is. 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,960 Everyone it seems online has got some kind of an opinion on it. 54 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,720 It's a it's a hot topic right now. 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,080 Apparently we're close to disclosure. 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,680 I hear a lot of theories online that 2027 is the year that the 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,800 aliens arrive. How do they know? 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,640 I don't know. How do they pluck that number 59 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:06,200 and go there? That's when they're coming. 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,320 Yeah, I, I, I guess you get a lot of what they call them 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,960 fortune tellers are out there in the world. 62 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,960 See into the future. Yeah, future tellers and they're 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,640 looking into the future and I guess that, yeah, they think 64 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:24,560 that something, something or someone is coming that or is on 65 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,440 the way. What do you think's out there? 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,920 Because, I mean, it's anyone's guess, isn't it? 67 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Yeah. Well, I, I would say it's, it's, 68 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,520 it's far fetched to assume that we're the only life in the 69 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,400 universe. You know, I think that and I 70 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,840 think most scientists agree that the chances are that there is 71 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,960 life out there. It's whether we have come in 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,400 contact with it, it's whether it has found a way to travel to us 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,440 or whether we're able to ever travel to them. 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,640 That is the big question that seems so impossible and far 75 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,360 fetched. Yeah. 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,520 But you see, I think with with a lot of things that that science 77 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,320 has discovered it. It's science is always changing, 78 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,520 it's always evolving into something new. 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,280 And there's a lot us humans still don't know or understand. 80 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,680 Yeah, I'd say I'm open to it. I'm open to it. 81 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,920 I'm open to all theories and faults because I'm I'm not a 82 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,000 scientist, I'm a bird. No, no. 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:31,280 But I think that a lot of people's creativity comes from 84 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:33,720 that word, those words. What if? 85 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,360 What if? And I think if we didn't have 86 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,840 those creative ideas of thinking what could be out there, we 87 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:46,240 wouldn't have the cool sci-fi genres and fantasy genres 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,120 because that's where a lot of our ideas come from, is going. 89 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,000 What if this happened? Or what if that existed, you 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,680 know? Yeah, I'm going to pause you 91 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,600 there for a second, Jake, because your protection, your 92 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,120 helmet's falling off. Hold on. 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,840 Yeah, Yeah, let's pop that back on. 94 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,640 I did notice, but I thought we've got a little bit lighter. 95 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,760 Thank you there we. Go mate. 96 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Just we don't, we don't want anything bad to happen, no. 97 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:13,720 So, So what, what, what do people say about these hats? 98 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,200 Well, what are we protecting? I think we're protecting our 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,080 brain moves. They're just falling off, you 100 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:18,400 know? What? 101 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:19,600 It's broken? Leave it, I think. 102 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,080 If they're if they're getting in at this point, they're in, 103 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,560 aren't they? I think, do you know what, if 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,480 they've worked that hard to get into my little nogging, they. 105 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,000 Can have. It they can have, there's much 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,600 in there for them to take really. 107 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,240 I haven't got much really to give them. 108 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,320 But if if they've worked that hard, you know what, they 109 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,320 deserve it. Give it, give it a go. 110 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,440 You see what what I think, I think that this all comes down 111 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,040 to that core storytelling that we've done throughout, 112 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,120 throughout our history as as human beings, as, as birds as 113 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,280 well. Sorry, Jake, but I think it 114 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,360 comes down to, you know, when, when when sailors went out to 115 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,720 sea, they told stories about mermaids and krakens and sirens. 116 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,320 Yeah. And all of those, all of those 117 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,400 mystical things. And I think those stories back 118 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,880 then for for sailors and those adventurers were there as 119 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,920 warnings, weren't they? Yeah, just to just to be a bit 120 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,160 careful and be a bit wary about the unknown. 121 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,440 So I think, I think we're in a, we're in a new phase of that, of 122 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,240 that storytelling. Yeah, and do you know what? 123 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,440 So I think it's a cool idea that we might not ever know. 124 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,040 I know some people struggle with that, and that's OK because as 125 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,120 humans, we we want to know the answer. 126 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,920 But I think there's still a little bit of magic in not 127 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,360 knowing. And. 128 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,880 Thinking what if? Because then what is it? 129 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,760 Oh, oh, it's a really fancy science, like Schrodinger's. 130 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,120 Schrodinger's cat. Yeah, This idea. 131 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,640 What's that then? So there's this idea, this 132 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,760 theory, this philosophy, I guess, that if you put a cat in 133 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,280 a box, until you open the box, there's no way of knowing if the 134 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:03,000 cat is still alive or has died. So until we know what's out 135 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,280 there, both theories are true. So the idea of Schrodinger's cat 136 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:13,080 is that until you open the box, the cat is both alive and dead. 137 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Bit morbid, but the idea stands that if we're thinking about is 138 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,720 there life out there until we know for certain that is both 139 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,160 true and false, that there is and there isn't because we don't 140 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,200 know. Wow. 141 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,080 No, it's cool. When it blew my mind. 142 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Blew my little peanut mind. You're going into some deep 143 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,360 territory there, Jake. Lover Philosophy. 144 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,920 Yeah, that is a lovely philosophy. 145 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:39,520 So so. Who? 146 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,280 Have you ever seen anything that you can't explain? 147 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Have you ever seen anything that you've looked up at the Sky One 148 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,560 night and gone? Oh, what's that? 149 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,720 Because do you know what, Jake? I have on a few occasions, I 150 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:57,680 have had two experiences of looking up in the sky and seeing 151 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,360 something that I can't explain. It doesn't mean that it's alien, 152 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,160 It doesn't mean that it's not from this planet. 153 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,680 It's just something that I don't know what it is and it's and it. 154 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,880 And what's also weird is it's been the same thing that I've 155 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,960 seen twice at completely separate places at separate 156 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,920 times. You can't leave it there. 157 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Do you share it with us? Yeah, of course. 158 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,240 So what it was was this. It was like a ball of light in 159 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:26,440 the sky and it and it looked like a big spotlight ointing 160 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,360 forward. But then as the spotlight went 161 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:38,440 above me, the spotlight changed direction and tilted down, and 162 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,679 then it tilted all the way around like this. 163 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,480 It was almost like a spotlight moving in the sky. 164 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Now some might say, oh, it's just an aeroplane with it, with 165 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,880 its headlights on in the direction you was looking at 166 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,480 strange or a helicopter or something like that. 167 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,720 But no, the the way this light moved was was different and 168 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,280 wasn't like any other thing that I've experienced before and when 169 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,800 did. This happen because like could 170 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,880 it be a drone? It could have been a drone, you 171 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:09,280 know, and a lot of UAPSUFOS are now described as drones because 172 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,960 they're there's a lot of activity in the sky right now 173 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,760 with with drones with with, you know, drones are commercial, 174 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,560 drones are things we can all purchase now, as well as there's 175 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,520 lots of government testing going on with things like that. 176 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,400 So there's a lot of activity with drones. 177 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,040 So yeah, sure, they could have been drones. 178 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,080 However, one of these sightings was about two years ago, and one 179 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,440 was about 10 years ago, before drones were really that that 180 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,000 much of a thing. That's interesting. 181 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,560 Yeah. And to be the same type of 182 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:38,480 light, that's what also I go, Oh yeah, that's different. 183 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,600 That lights following you. But one big one was from about 184 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,280 nearly 20 years ago when I started driving. 185 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,440 I was driving. I'd taken an old girlfriend down 186 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,080 to Dorset and we were driving through the countryside looking 187 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,520 for like a nice like sunset view somewhere that we could stop and 188 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,120 have a picnic in the evening. And as we're driving through, 189 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:10,040 all of a sudden in the forest, in the woods, there was lots of 190 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,320 green and purple lights and weird noises. 191 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,800 So I didn't see anything other than other than lights, green 192 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,840 and purple, which all sounds quite mystical and like 193 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,200 something out of Star Trek. And a little bit. 194 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,720 And, and to be honest, I was a bit fearful. 195 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,480 I was a bit scared. Would be. 196 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,120 And there was some weird noises as well. 197 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,760 And I was I was scared to the point that we, we left the woods 198 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,600 as quick as we can. I. 199 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,040 Think that's a good idea? I think you made a smart. 200 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,720 Yeah, we got, we got out of there and and as soon as I 201 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,040 could. These were back in the days 202 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,680 where mobile phones weren't as popular as they are now. 203 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,640 So as soon as I got signal, I actually phoned the police. 204 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,520 Yeah. And there was a response. 205 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,560 Good smart response. Yeah, that's how that's how 206 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,040 worried I was. And their response to me was 207 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,480 military training often happens in that area. 208 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,600 So they've. Had few calls like that before. 209 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,160 So maybe they've had a few calls like that before. 210 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Maybe it was military training but I still think it was weird. 211 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,280 And if anyone out there is involved with the military, how 212 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,920 often? Someone tell me, how often do 213 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,760 you use green and purple light? Because maybe it's a really 214 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,080 common thing that we don't. Know about yeah like is that is 215 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,360 that something that you do in military training to use them 216 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,560 them kind of like. That though, because it's cool. 217 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Maybe it just won't look cool. Maybe, maybe they're just maybe 218 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,480 or maybe there was some, some some kind of rave was happening. 219 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,400 Yeah, it could be a legal rave. So again, you just. 220 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,760 You don't, you know, to just jump to aliens. 221 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,400 Whilst I'd have loved it to have been an alien encounter, I can't 222 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,720 say for sure. Yeah, Well, the other thing that 223 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,240 I found funny, you said a second ago about UFOs, because we call 224 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,200 them UFOs. I've seen many UFOs and when I 225 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,120 say that, people go, you've seen aliens and I'm like, no, it's an 226 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,360 unidentified flying object. I see a Frisbee and I'm like, I 227 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,920 don't know what that is. It's a UFO like birds. 228 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,360 If you're not a bird connoisseur and you don't know what birds 229 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,520 like, what different types of birds are, and you see a bird 230 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,720 and you don't know what it is, is that a UFOI don't know, to 231 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,840 what extent is it? What extent is it something 232 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,640 abnormal just because we don't know? 233 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,200 I guess a shooting star is a UFO if you don't know if it's a star 234 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,720 or a meteor or something. I think the thing that we're all 235 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,640 finding intriguing at the moment is, is that particularly in the 236 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,440 United States, there is this what's being called as a moment 237 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,240 of disclosure, where the governments of the world are 238 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:46,120 starting to open up their secret files on unidentified. 239 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,400 They're calling them Uaps, right? 240 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Have you heard of this term? No Uaps? 241 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,360 And I'm probably going to get this wrong now that I'm in the 242 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,680 moment. Unidentified anomalous 243 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,360 phenomenon. Oh, that. 244 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,160 That was a bit well. Done that. 245 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,520 That was quite That was a big word for me, wasn't it? 246 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,960 I took my time with it, but but what it essentially is, is, is 247 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,360 these things that because they're not all flying, some of 248 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,520 these things are underwater. Right as well or in a forest 249 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,440 like you said. And so now they're having these 250 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:19,280 open debates with press and you can watch them and the the 251 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,000 military personnel, people that used to be in the Air Force, 252 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,800 they're coming forward and they've said they've seen 253 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,760 things. They're sharing data from their 254 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,680 radars and they're saying, this is not our government. 255 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:35,200 This is stuff that we don't understand and we have found 256 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,480 stuff that is of non human origin. 257 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,040 See, right, I was thinking about this the other day. 258 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,120 I was thinking because I saw a book, it was a children's book 259 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,320 and it was about unicorns, right? 260 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,320 And this book was kind of, I'm really sorry I've forgotten the 261 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:01,320 author, but it was kind of laid out like it was a non fiction 262 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,160 book. You know the idea that you have 263 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:09,160 non fiction books about alligators or dolphins that you 264 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,680 can read up different facts about them. 265 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,200 It was that but about unicorns. And it got me thinking because I 266 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,640 overheard 2 kids talking about this book and one of them said 267 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,120 but unicorns aren't real. And then I thought about it and 268 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,600 I thought, if giraffes exist, think about it. 269 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,640 Picture a giraffe in your head and how excuse any giraffes that 270 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,960 are listening out there alien giraffes can look. 271 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,200 Why is it so far fetched that a horse could have a horn? 272 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,600 So, and it makes me think like all that there were probably, or 273 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,880 there were different animals that existed the we couldn't 274 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,040 even imagine or do exist at the bottom of the ocean because 275 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,600 there are some weird creatures out there in the bottom of the 276 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,920 ocean that we haven't discovered yet. 277 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,560 Is it just that they're just kind of out of our reach? 278 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,520 They're beyond. They're beyond our little tiny 279 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,720 brains to think of. Oh, beyond discovery. 280 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,360 You know, one of the things that I often find fascinating is the 281 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,720 myth of Dragons. Yes. 282 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,880 Oh, love Dragons. Like Dragons are so cool, but 283 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,720 The thing is that that that puzzles me with Dragons is why 284 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,560 so many different cultures depict Dragons in different 285 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,520 stories. The cultures that apparently 286 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,920 never collided. So like the old Chinese dynasty 287 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,040 depicted Dragons whilst at the same time across the world that 288 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,800 no connection, they were also being depicted by the by the 289 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,240 Brits. Yeah, they were being depicted 290 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,200 by, by us here. They were being depicted in, in 291 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,200 Europe and you know, probably the wrong term, the Brits with 292 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,800 it when they've been the Saxons or something. 293 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,680 But essentially what I'm getting at, Jake, is they've been 294 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,960 depicted all throughout history, but yet these cultures didn't 295 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,120 know each other. Yeah, I find it fascinating. 296 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,360 And when you think few, 100 years ago, we wouldn't have 297 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,000 believed the dinosaurs existed to to the extent that we know 298 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,560 now. Oh. 299 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Well, at all, at all in, you know, it was, you know, the the 300 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,800 Washington in that era, they didn't even know that dinosaurs 301 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,480 existed. You know, that's how that's. 302 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,440 So cool. That's how new they are. 303 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,880 I think it's so cool that as as humans, we're constantly 304 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,960 learning and wanting to be curious again. 305 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,480 We come back to that word curious on this podcast a lot 306 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,000 because it seems to be the foundation of of everything of 307 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,600 what makes us like, you know, find love is curiosity or makes 308 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,840 us find knowledge is curiosity or makes us find motivation is 309 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,000 curiosity. This idea that we want to learn 310 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,440 and we want to seek out things that maybe are we hadn't even 311 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,080 thought of before. You know what, for me, Jake is 312 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,000 curiosity is my driver. Curiosity is what leaves me, 313 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,200 drives me for with everything that I do, a lot of people say 314 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,280 to me, how do you do that podcast thing? 315 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,319 How do you give up so much time and you put so much thing? 316 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,359 Yeah. Podcasting. 317 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,040 Who's saying that? But it, it, you know, it seems, 318 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,640 you know, a lot of people go, oh, well, everything that I do 319 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,680 is, is, you know, for money. And we're sitting up here giving 320 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,480 a lot of our time up for something. 321 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,800 And for me, if I sit down and really boil it down to to one 322 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,680 word, for me it's that curiosity. 323 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,360 Yeah, I think it's cool. I also think that if you and I 324 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,640 were just because we'd, we'd have these chats probably 325 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,240 anyway. Without a camera, of course. 326 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,080 Yeah, but the idea, the great thing about the podcast is we've 327 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,040 been able to meet lots of other people. 328 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,440 With different ideas. Different ideas and different 329 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,440 viewpoints and I think that's healthy. 330 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,160 I think it's really good to seek out and debate and talk with 331 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,040 other people about different ideas and and our thoughts and 332 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,000 our experiences. We wouldn't get that if it was 333 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,240 just me and you sat in a living room. 334 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,680 No, we would be. Well, I guess that's the danger 335 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,960 of an echo chamber. We would be stuck in the same 336 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,240 sound loop continually going on. Whereas over these past 2 1/2 337 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,800 years of doing this podcast thing that my world has changed. 338 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,040 My viewpoints on the world has flipped upside down. 339 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:26,160 I now have ideas that I didn't have previously, and I'm now 340 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,520 going to places in my life that I wouldn't have done previously 341 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,680 as well, all through a core principle and a starting place 342 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,600 of just being curious. Yeah. 343 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,920 And I think it's a good mindset to have. 344 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,680 I think because kids are very curious, they always we we 345 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,360 complain that kids ask questions all the time and that a lot of 346 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:50,640 kids favorite question is why? But I think we can learn from 347 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,160 that. Well, that's how we discover the 348 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,760 world, is it not, Jake? It's like. 349 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,160 Why? Why is this? 350 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,680 Why is this the way that it is? Or why does something act like 351 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,520 this? Or why does this happen? 352 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,360 I think it's coal. Yeah, well, this has been really 353 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,800 cool, Jake. Yeah, this has been, I think 354 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,240 this is another one of our minisodes, something new we're 355 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,960 bringing to the podcast. Have you heard about the 356 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,960 minisodes, Jake? Yeah, like mini episodes, right? 357 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,680 Yeah, essentially. So a few people said to me, I 358 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,400 love the Martin talk show, but I'd like to just dip in for just 359 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,000 like 10 minutes, 20 minutes. And they're saying, I love it. 360 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,080 It's a bit long, but it's a bit long. 361 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,560 Not everyone wants to sit down for an hour. 362 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,000 And that's it. And not everyone has the time 363 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,760 also to sit here and be a guest for for a full hour. 364 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,280 So now we've started inviting some guests in for just 1020 365 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,080 minutes and see how deep we can go in a short period of time. 366 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,000 And so, yeah, the minisodes are a new thing. 367 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,080 So this is part of the Minisode series. 368 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,440 So thank you Jake for for sharing and. 369 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,520 Thank you for having me for one year. 370 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,600 For a year. Happy one year done, Jake. 371 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,720 So last question for you then actually I've got 2 questions 372 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,600 for you to wrap this up on. So considering where we've been 373 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,520 so far in this this first year, what do you hope is in front of 374 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,680 us for the year to come? That's a big question. 375 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:21,040 I hope that we get to meet more. How do I phrase this? 376 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,960 People that walk in different lifestyles, you know, like we've 377 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,120 had lots of amazing people on the podcast and my favorite 378 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,600 episodes to come back to are the people who have vastly different 379 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,000 experiences to us. You know, whether or not it's 380 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,600 that they work in a certain area or profession that I know 381 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,120 nothing about, or maybe I don't know, they're in a different tax 382 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,080 bracket. I don't know. 383 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,360 Just this idea that all different areas and different 384 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,680 cultures. I love listening to it because 385 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,840 being a bird, I didn't grow up as a human shocker. 386 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,480 But it also means that I don't know a huge amount about all the 387 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,000 different cultures and beautiful things in the world. 388 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,280 So I really hope that we just get to meet more people who have 389 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,760 different insights to me and different walks of life and 390 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,360 different experiences, because I think that's how I learn best. 391 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,080 Yeah, and it's fun, isn't it? As well, Jake, it's. 392 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,600 Real. Fun and it's real fun. 393 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,440 And I'm sure we're going to move in that that direction. 394 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,520 I'm sure this next year. Every year so far doing this 395 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,120 podcast, it has opened up doors that I never expected. 396 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,440 So what? Do you hope for? 397 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,240 What do I hope for? I hope to continue to grow the 398 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,960 podcast. A hope for this next year is to 399 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,400 to build a a bit of a bigger audience, to invite some more 400 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,720 people in. Something that I said early on 401 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,840 in this, in doing this, is that the audience comes last. 402 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,640 Now, in saying that, that gave me a lot of confidence to and 403 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,480 freedom to move and to do things without that, that pressure of 404 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,600 feeling watched or observed, reviewed it just, yeah, it just 405 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:16,520 allowed me to to move forward. But I feel like I'm in a space 406 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:22,400 now where I do care about this as an art form and I want to 407 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,360 share it. I think anyone that does 408 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,360 anything creative doesn't just want to keep it to themselves. 409 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,960 I think when you're doing something creative, you want to 410 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:35,400 give that to others and as many people to experience it as as 411 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,240 possible. I also think the guests that 412 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,640 you've got on their stories and their thoughts deserve to be 413 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,680 heard. They do. 414 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,160 They do. So it's not all about us. 415 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,640 No, you know, we, we call it the Martin talk show just because my 416 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,280 ego is so big. But that's not what this is. 417 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,960 This. Is I'm campaigning for the Jake 418 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,280 Show, just so you know, if you want to, if you want to get in 419 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,440 on that campaign anyway. We can we can start a vote. 420 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Maybe you know you're you're you're getting very popular, 421 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,360 Jake. I've heard calls for your own 422 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,400 independent show. I think people. 423 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,480 I think I pick, I put some people at ease and I think I put 424 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,000 some people on edge, and that's all right. 425 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,440 And so my final question for you, Jake, at this point, at 426 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,040 this one year point, considering where we've been and where we 427 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,520 want to go, and I'm probably going to ask this question for 428 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,760 you multiple times because it's it's the big question I'm asking 429 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,960 of all of my guests now, Jake. So my big question that I ask 430 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,760 everyone that I speak to, and this one especially for you, 431 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,160 Jake, how would you make this a better world? 432 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Oh, I've been waiting for you to ask me this. 433 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,840 Oh, OK. Oh, no. 434 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,040 All right. It's a big question, so bear 435 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,520 with me. I've been thinking a lot about 436 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,520 this. I think it all comes down and 437 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,440 you can you can call me cheesy if you want to. 438 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:56,160 I think it comes to kindness. I think there's, there's a few 439 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,520 different people who've said this better than I have, but 440 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:06,440 this idea of the butterfly effect of just one act of 441 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,840 kindness put out into the world can cause a ripple effect and 442 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,360 that will spread. I think there was a film called 443 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,480 Pay It Forward, this idea that a kid, a really good film, the kid 444 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:26,800 comes up with this idea that if you do one act of kindness for 445 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,240 free random people, instead of them paying you back, they pay 446 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,720 it forward and they have to go out and do one act of kindness 447 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,920 for free people. And it's spider webs into this 448 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,200 thing that is is bigger than he could have imagined. 449 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,200 And again, that back to a very different film. 450 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:52,400 The Morgan Freeman plays God in it. 451 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,520 Bruce Almighty. Bruce Almighty and Evan 452 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,800 Almighty, Yes, yeah, he says. One act of random kindness, 453 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,440 which spells out ARC, because that's the whole thing of the 454 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,920 film, is that Evan Evan is making a bark. 455 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,760 But I love this idea that it's not just about your inner circle 456 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,680 keep, you know, obviously you're in a circle and you're people 457 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280 that you want to keep safe and supported and loved. 458 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:23,760 But if you just act kind to people in the world, it doesn't 459 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,480 cost you anything and it can cause a ripple effect that will 460 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,400 change the world. That's my answer. 461 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,240 I love it, Jake. For what it's worth. 462 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,560 Any advice on how I can do that? How I can implement that into my 463 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,160 my daily life right now? Treat people how you want to be 464 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,680 treated. And I mean that in like, I saw 465 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:49,360 this really great video of a woman and her daughter and they 466 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,920 play a game where they go around a supermarket and they take it 467 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,080 in turns to pick a random stranger and the other person 468 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,080 has to go and pay that stranger a compliment about anything. 469 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,320 And it's such a lovely video because the daughter will say, 470 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,640 ah, that person, their mum. And the mum has to go over and 471 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,680 say, I really like your shoes. And it's something really small, 472 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600 but it makes that person today, I don't know if you've ever had 473 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,440 it, but I've occasionally had it where someone will go, oh, I 474 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,080 like, I like your shirt or I like your shoes. 475 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,280 And it just makes me feel amazing. 476 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,640 And it's something that didn't cost them anything. 477 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,360 So I think just little things here and there to give each 478 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,440 other a boost and remind everyone that we're not alone. 479 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,320 We're all together and we're all, we're all the same in a 480 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,560 way. We're all in this together and 481 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,720 reminding people, the communities out there, and you 482 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000 don't have to be alone. Well, as always, Jake, that's 483 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,560 beautiful. Thank you. 484 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,000 I'm trying my best. I'm trying my best. 485 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,400 Well, thank you so much for sharing again today, Jake, and 486 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,360 thank. You for having me? 487 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,080 We'll catch up again soon, I'm sure. 488 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,000 And how are you? Happy anniversary Jake, and if 489 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,800 anyone has been watching or listening, we appreciate you for 490 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,600 joining us. Yeah. 491 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,840 Thank you. See you later. 492 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,120 See you later mate. Bye, bye. 493 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:15,920 Bye, Jake. Bye. 494 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000 Oh, and don't forget to send flowers home. 495 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,720 Oh yeah, no, I. Love. 496 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,880 Them thank you so much. Is it weird that you're giving 497 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,840 you make flowers? Like when I bought, when I 498 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,760 bought them for you, I was like, might Jake think there's 499 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840 something in it? No, I think more boys should 500 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,280 give each other flowers. Yeah, like because men don't get 501 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,760 flowers very often. And I also think that we should 502 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,480 we should tell each other we love each other more. 503 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,360 I agree. You know, like there's there's 504 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:39,960 nothing wrong in that. Jake, I love you. 505 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,200 I love you too mate, thank you so much. 506 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,880 Cheers, bye.