What has my life become, Jake What I.
Think it's become something spectacular?
There you go. Just.
Putting the mic a little bit closer for you.
Thank you. So here we go.
So a new episode, a new adventure is what we're having
here today. Definitely adventure.
Oh, Jake, I had, I had a little gift for you.
Actually, I'm just going to go back off camera and grab it for
you all. Right.
Yeah, OK. Oh, I hear rustling.
I don't really know if these are your things and I don't want
this to be a bit weird, but these they're for you.
Might be a little bit allergic. Oh, what are these for?
Wait, it's it's, it's her anniversary episode.
Or or anniversary and you said you weren't going to talk about
the podcast. It's been a year.
It's been a year since you joined the podcast.
What? Really.
A year. Ago Thank you.
We sat down for the conversation for the first time and we said,
why don't you join? Has it really?
Been a year, It's been a year. How's it been?
How's it been for you? Well, I mean, it's flown by.
Excuse the pattern, but it's flown by, ain't it?
Yeah. It just feels like it was only
yesterday that we were sat here talking about how we came to
meet and, and what you've been doing on the pod and well, I
mean, we've, we've, we've got really close, didn't we?
And, and we've met so many amazing people.
We have and we've been cut. We've become best friends along
the way, haven't we Jake? We're good buds.
I wonder for you, has there has
there been a highlight at all over the past year, over this
first year of being part of the Martin talk show?
Oh, it's. Got to be zippy.
It's zippy, isn't it? Yeah, I'd say you've mentioned
it more than once, haven't you? Yes, that and watching The
Muppets with you. Yes.
Do you know what that was a per that was a favorite for me.
We got, we got to sit down, we got to watch a special episode
of The Muppets together and have a chat about the things that we
love, which we're continuing to do today.
And if anyone's tuned in and is like, what are those crazy
things they're wearing? Going on.
Well, this is for a little bit of Jake.
It's like protection, is it not? What do these things do?
Have you got any idea? I have no idea, but I've heard
that some people say it can protect your brain.
Yes, protecting the brain waves from the aliens, because, Jake,
I hear they're on the way. I've, I mean, everyone's got an
opinion on it, ain't they? They have it is.
Everyone it seems online has got some kind of an opinion on it.
It's a it's a hot topic right now.
Apparently we're close to disclosure.
I hear a lot of theories online that 2027 is the year that the
aliens arrive. How do they know?
I don't know. How do they pluck that number
and go there? That's when they're coming.
Yeah, I, I, I guess you get a lot of what they call them
fortune tellers are out there in the world.
See into the future. Yeah, future tellers and they're
looking into the future and I guess that, yeah, they think
that something, something or someone is coming that or is on
the way. What do you think's out there?
Because, I mean, it's anyone's guess, isn't it?
Yeah. Well, I, I would say it's, it's,
it's far fetched to assume that we're the only life in the
universe. You know, I think that and I
think most scientists agree that the chances are that there is
life out there. It's whether we have come in
contact with it, it's whether it has found a way to travel to us
or whether we're able to ever travel to them.
That is the big question that seems so impossible and far
fetched. Yeah.
But you see, I think with with a lot of things that that science
has discovered it. It's science is always changing,
it's always evolving into something new.
And there's a lot us humans still don't know or understand.
Yeah, I'd say I'm open to it. I'm open to it.
I'm open to all theories and faults because I'm I'm not a
scientist, I'm a bird. No, no.
But I think that a lot of people's creativity comes from
that word, those words. What if?
And I think if we didn't have
those creative ideas of thinking what could be out there, we
wouldn't have the cool sci-fi genres and fantasy genres
because that's where a lot of our ideas come from, is going.
What if this happened? Or what if that existed, you
know? Yeah, I'm going to pause you
there for a second, Jake, because your protection, your
helmet's falling off. Hold on.
Yeah, Yeah, let's pop that back on.
I did notice, but I thought we've got a little bit lighter.
Thank you there we. Go mate.
Just we don't, we don't want anything bad to happen, no.
So, So what, what, what do people say about these hats?
Well, what are we protecting? I think we're protecting our
brain moves. They're just falling off, you
know? What?
It's broken? Leave it, I think.
If they're if they're getting in at this point, they're in,
aren't they? I think, do you know what, if
they've worked that hard to get into my little nogging, they.
Can have. It they can have, there's much
in there for them to take really.
I haven't got much really to give them.
But if if they've worked that hard, you know what, they
deserve it. Give it, give it a go.
You see what what I think, I think that this all comes down
to that core storytelling that we've done throughout,
throughout our history as as human beings, as, as birds as
well. Sorry, Jake, but I think it
comes down to, you know, when, when when sailors went out to
sea, they told stories about mermaids and krakens and sirens.
Yeah. And all of those, all of those
mystical things. And I think those stories back
then for for sailors and those adventurers were there as
warnings, weren't they? Yeah, just to just to be a bit
careful and be a bit wary about the unknown.
So I think, I think we're in a, we're in a new phase of that, of
that storytelling. Yeah, and do you know what?
So I think it's a cool idea that we might not ever know.
I know some people struggle with that, and that's OK because as
humans, we we want to know the answer.
But I think there's still a little bit of magic in not
knowing. And.
Thinking what if? Because then what is it?
Oh, oh, it's a really fancy science, like Schrodinger's.
Schrodinger's cat. Yeah, This idea.
What's that then? So there's this idea, this
theory, this philosophy, I guess, that if you put a cat in
a box, until you open the box, there's no way of knowing if the
cat is still alive or has died. So until we know what's out
there, both theories are true. So the idea of Schrodinger's cat
is that until you open the box, the cat is both alive and dead.
Bit morbid, but the idea stands that if we're thinking about is
there life out there until we know for certain that is both
true and false, that there is and there isn't because we don't
know. Wow.
No, it's cool. When it blew my mind.
Blew my little peanut mind. You're going into some deep
territory there, Jake. Lover Philosophy.
Yeah, that is a lovely philosophy.
So so. Who?
Have you ever seen anything that you can't explain?
Have you ever seen anything that you've looked up at the Sky One
night and gone? Oh, what's that?
Because do you know what, Jake? I have on a few occasions, I
have had two experiences of looking up in the sky and seeing
something that I can't explain. It doesn't mean that it's alien,
It doesn't mean that it's not from this planet.
It's just something that I don't know what it is and it's and it.
And what's also weird is it's been the same thing that I've
seen twice at completely separate places at separate
times. You can't leave it there.
Do you share it with us? Yeah, of course.
So what it was was this. It was like a ball of light in
the sky and it and it looked like a big spotlight ointing
forward. But then as the spotlight went
above me, the spotlight changed direction and tilted down, and
then it tilted all the way around like this.
It was almost like a spotlight moving in the sky.
Now some might say, oh, it's just an aeroplane with it, with
its headlights on in the direction you was looking at
strange or a helicopter or something like that.
But no, the the way this light moved was was different and
wasn't like any other thing that I've experienced before and when
did. This happen because like could
it be a drone? It could have been a drone, you
know, and a lot of UAPSUFOS are now described as drones because
they're there's a lot of activity in the sky right now
with with drones with with, you know, drones are commercial,
drones are things we can all purchase now, as well as there's
lots of government testing going on with things like that.
So there's a lot of activity with drones.
So yeah, sure, they could have been drones.
However, one of these sightings was about two years ago, and one
was about 10 years ago, before drones were really that that
much of a thing. That's interesting.
Yeah. And to be the same type of
light, that's what also I go, Oh yeah, that's different.
That lights following you. But one big one was from about
nearly 20 years ago when I started driving.
I was driving. I'd taken an old girlfriend down
to Dorset and we were driving through the countryside looking
for like a nice like sunset view somewhere that we could stop and
have a picnic in the evening. And as we're driving through,
all of a sudden in the forest, in the woods, there was lots of
green and purple lights and weird noises.
So I didn't see anything other than other than lights, green
and purple, which all sounds quite mystical and like
something out of Star Trek. And a little bit.
And, and to be honest, I was a bit fearful.
I was a bit scared. Would be.
And there was some weird noises as well.
And I was I was scared to the point that we, we left the woods
as quick as we can. I.
Think that's a good idea? I think you made a smart.
Yeah, we got, we got out of there and and as soon as I
could. These were back in the days
where mobile phones weren't as popular as they are now.
So as soon as I got signal, I actually phoned the police.
Yeah. And there was a response.
Good smart response. Yeah, that's how that's how
worried I was. And their response to me was
military training often happens in that area.
So they've. Had few calls like that before.
So maybe they've had a few calls like that before.
Maybe it was military training but I still think it was weird.
And if anyone out there is involved with the military, how
often? Someone tell me, how often do
you use green and purple light? Because maybe it's a really
common thing that we don't. Know about yeah like is that is
that something that you do in military training to use them
them kind of like. That though, because it's cool.
Maybe it just won't look cool. Maybe, maybe they're just maybe
or maybe there was some, some some kind of rave was happening.
Yeah, it could be a legal rave. So again, you just.
You don't, you know, to just jump to aliens.
Whilst I'd have loved it to have been an alien encounter, I can't
say for sure. Yeah, Well, the other thing that
I found funny, you said a second ago about UFOs, because we call
them UFOs. I've seen many UFOs and when I
say that, people go, you've seen aliens and I'm like, no, it's an
unidentified flying object. I see a Frisbee and I'm like, I
don't know what that is. It's a UFO like birds.
If you're not a bird connoisseur and you don't know what birds
like, what different types of birds are, and you see a bird
and you don't know what it is, is that a UFOI don't know, to
what extent is it? What extent is it something
abnormal just because we don't know?
I guess a shooting star is a UFO if you don't know if it's a star
or a meteor or something. I think the thing that we're all
finding intriguing at the moment is, is that particularly in the
United States, there is this what's being called as a moment
of disclosure, where the governments of the world are
starting to open up their secret files on unidentified.
They're calling them Uaps, right?
Have you heard of this term? No Uaps?
And I'm probably going to get this wrong now that I'm in the
moment. Unidentified anomalous
phenomenon. Oh, that.
That was a bit well. Done that.
That was quite That was a big word for me, wasn't it?
I took my time with it, but but what it essentially is, is, is
these things that because they're not all flying, some of
these things are underwater. Right as well or in a forest
like you said. And so now they're having these
open debates with press and you can watch them and the the
military personnel, people that used to be in the Air Force,
they're coming forward and they've said they've seen
things. They're sharing data from their
radars and they're saying, this is not our government.
This is stuff that we don't understand and we have found
stuff that is of non human origin.
See, right, I was thinking about this the other day.
I was thinking because I saw a book, it was a children's book
and it was about unicorns, right?
And this book was kind of, I'm really sorry I've forgotten the
author, but it was kind of laid out like it was a non fiction
book. You know the idea that you have
non fiction books about alligators or dolphins that you
can read up different facts about them.
It was that but about unicorns. And it got me thinking because I
overheard 2 kids talking about this book and one of them said
but unicorns aren't real. And then I thought about it and
I thought, if giraffes exist, think about it.
Picture a giraffe in your head and how excuse any giraffes that
are listening out there alien giraffes can look.
Why is it so far fetched that a horse could have a horn?
So, and it makes me think like all that there were probably, or
there were different animals that existed the we couldn't
even imagine or do exist at the bottom of the ocean because
there are some weird creatures out there in the bottom of the
ocean that we haven't discovered yet.
Is it just that they're just kind of out of our reach?
They're beyond. They're beyond our little tiny
brains to think of. Oh, beyond discovery.
You know, one of the things that I often find fascinating is the
myth of Dragons. Yes.
Oh, love Dragons. Like Dragons are so cool, but
The thing is that that that puzzles me with Dragons is why
so many different cultures depict Dragons in different
stories. The cultures that apparently
never collided. So like the old Chinese dynasty
depicted Dragons whilst at the same time across the world that
no connection, they were also being depicted by the by the
Brits. Yeah, they were being depicted
by, by us here. They were being depicted in, in
Europe and you know, probably the wrong term, the Brits with
it when they've been the Saxons or something.
But essentially what I'm getting at, Jake, is they've been
depicted all throughout history, but yet these cultures didn't
know each other. Yeah, I find it fascinating.
And when you think few, 100 years ago, we wouldn't have
believed the dinosaurs existed to to the extent that we know
now. Oh.
Well, at all, at all in, you know, it was, you know, the the
Washington in that era, they didn't even know that dinosaurs
existed. You know, that's how that's.
So cool. That's how new they are.
I think it's so cool that as as humans, we're constantly
learning and wanting to be curious again.
We come back to that word curious on this podcast a lot
because it seems to be the foundation of of everything of
what makes us like, you know, find love is curiosity or makes
us find knowledge is curiosity or makes us find motivation is
curiosity. This idea that we want to learn
and we want to seek out things that maybe are we hadn't even
thought of before. You know what, for me, Jake is
curiosity is my driver. Curiosity is what leaves me,
drives me for with everything that I do, a lot of people say
to me, how do you do that podcast thing?
How do you give up so much time and you put so much thing?
Yeah. Podcasting.
Who's saying that? But it, it, you know, it seems,
you know, a lot of people go, oh, well, everything that I do
is, is, you know, for money. And we're sitting up here giving
a lot of our time up for something.
And for me, if I sit down and really boil it down to to one
word, for me it's that curiosity.
Yeah, I think it's cool. I also think that if you and I
were just because we'd, we'd have these chats probably
anyway. Without a camera, of course.
Yeah, but the idea, the great thing about the podcast is we've
been able to meet lots of other people.
With different ideas. Different ideas and different
viewpoints and I think that's healthy.
I think it's really good to seek out and debate and talk with
other people about different ideas and and our thoughts and
our experiences. We wouldn't get that if it was
just me and you sat in a living room.
No, we would be. Well, I guess that's the danger
of an echo chamber. We would be stuck in the same
sound loop continually going on. Whereas over these past 2 1/2
years of doing this podcast thing that my world has changed.
My viewpoints on the world has flipped upside down.
I now have ideas that I didn't have previously, and I'm now
going to places in my life that I wouldn't have done previously
as well, all through a core principle and a starting place
of just being curious. Yeah.
And I think it's a good mindset to have.
I think because kids are very curious, they always we we
complain that kids ask questions all the time and that a lot of
kids favorite question is why? But I think we can learn from
that. Well, that's how we discover the
world, is it not, Jake? It's like.
Why? Why is this?
Why is this the way that it is? Or why does something act like
this? Or why does this happen?
I think it's coal. Yeah, well, this has been really
cool, Jake. Yeah, this has been, I think
this is another one of our minisodes, something new we're
bringing to the podcast. Have you heard about the
minisodes, Jake? Yeah, like mini episodes, right?
Yeah, essentially. So a few people said to me, I
love the Martin talk show, but I'd like to just dip in for just
like 10 minutes, 20 minutes. And they're saying, I love it.
It's a bit long, but it's a bit long.
Not everyone wants to sit down for an hour.
And that's it. And not everyone has the time
also to sit here and be a guest for for a full hour.
So now we've started inviting some guests in for just 1020
minutes and see how deep we can go in a short period of time.
And so, yeah, the minisodes are a new thing.
So this is part of the Minisode series.
So thank you Jake for for sharing and.
Thank you for having me for one year.
For a year. Happy one year done, Jake.
So last question for you then actually I've got 2 questions
for you to wrap this up on. So considering where we've been
so far in this this first year, what do you hope is in front of
us for the year to come? That's a big question.
I hope that we get to meet more. How do I phrase this?
People that walk in different lifestyles, you know, like we've
had lots of amazing people on the podcast and my favorite
episodes to come back to are the people who have vastly different
experiences to us. You know, whether or not it's
that they work in a certain area or profession that I know
nothing about, or maybe I don't know, they're in a different tax
bracket. I don't know.
Just this idea that all different areas and different
cultures. I love listening to it because
being a bird, I didn't grow up as a human shocker.
But it also means that I don't know a huge amount about all the
different cultures and beautiful things in the world.
So I really hope that we just get to meet more people who have
different insights to me and different walks of life and
different experiences, because I think that's how I learn best.
Yeah, and it's fun, isn't it? As well, Jake, it's.
Real. Fun and it's real fun.
And I'm sure we're going to move in that that direction.
I'm sure this next year. Every year so far doing this
podcast, it has opened up doors that I never expected.
So what? Do you hope for?
What do I hope for? I hope to continue to grow the
podcast. A hope for this next year is to
to build a a bit of a bigger audience, to invite some more
people in. Something that I said early on
in this, in doing this, is that the audience comes last.
Now, in saying that, that gave me a lot of confidence to and
freedom to move and to do things without that, that pressure of
feeling watched or observed, reviewed it just, yeah, it just
allowed me to to move forward. But I feel like I'm in a space
now where I do care about this as an art form and I want to
share it. I think anyone that does
anything creative doesn't just want to keep it to themselves.
I think when you're doing something creative, you want to
give that to others and as many people to experience it as as
possible. I also think the guests that
you've got on their stories and their thoughts deserve to be
heard. They do.
So it's not all about us.
No, you know, we, we call it the Martin talk show just because my
ego is so big. But that's not what this is.
This. Is I'm campaigning for the Jake
Show, just so you know, if you want to, if you want to get in
on that campaign anyway. We can we can start a vote.
Maybe you know you're you're you're getting very popular,
Jake. I've heard calls for your own
independent show. I think people.
I think I pick, I put some people at ease and I think I put
some people on edge, and that's all right.
And so my final question for you, Jake, at this point, at
this one year point, considering where we've been and where we
want to go, and I'm probably going to ask this question for
you multiple times because it's it's the big question I'm asking
of all of my guests now, Jake. So my big question that I ask
everyone that I speak to, and this one especially for you,
Jake, how would you make this a better world?
Oh, I've been waiting for you to ask me this.
Oh, OK. Oh, no.
All right. It's a big question, so bear
with me. I've been thinking a lot about
this. I think it all comes down and
you can you can call me cheesy if you want to.
I think it comes to kindness. I think there's, there's a few
different people who've said this better than I have, but
this idea of the butterfly effect of just one act of
kindness put out into the world can cause a ripple effect and
that will spread. I think there was a film called
Pay It Forward, this idea that a kid, a really good film, the kid
comes up with this idea that if you do one act of kindness for
free random people, instead of them paying you back, they pay
it forward and they have to go out and do one act of kindness
for free people. And it's spider webs into this
thing that is is bigger than he could have imagined.
And again, that back to a very different film.
The Morgan Freeman plays God in it.
Bruce Almighty. Bruce Almighty and Evan
Almighty, Yes, yeah, he says. One act of random kindness,
which spells out ARC, because that's the whole thing of the
film, is that Evan Evan is making a bark.
But I love this idea that it's not just about your inner circle
keep, you know, obviously you're in a circle and you're people
that you want to keep safe and supported and loved.
But if you just act kind to people in the world, it doesn't
cost you anything and it can cause a ripple effect that will
change the world. That's my answer.
I love it, Jake. For what it's worth.
Any advice on how I can do that? How I can implement that into my
my daily life right now? Treat people how you want to be
treated. And I mean that in like, I saw
this really great video of a woman and her daughter and they
play a game where they go around a supermarket and they take it
in turns to pick a random stranger and the other person
has to go and pay that stranger a compliment about anything.
And it's such a lovely video because the daughter will say,
ah, that person, their mum. And the mum has to go over and
say, I really like your shoes. And it's something really small,
but it makes that person today, I don't know if you've ever had
it, but I've occasionally had it where someone will go, oh, I
like, I like your shirt or I like your shoes.
And it just makes me feel amazing.
And it's something that didn't cost them anything.
So I think just little things here and there to give each
other a boost and remind everyone that we're not alone.
We're all together and we're all, we're all the same in a
way. We're all in this together and
reminding people, the communities out there, and you
don't have to be alone. Well, as always, Jake, that's
beautiful. Thank you.
I'm trying my best. I'm trying my best.
Well, thank you so much for sharing again today, Jake, and
thank. You for having me?
We'll catch up again soon, I'm sure.
And how are you? Happy anniversary Jake, and if
anyone has been watching or listening, we appreciate you for
joining us. Yeah.
Thank you. See you later.
See you later mate. Bye, bye.
Bye, Jake. Bye.
Oh, and don't forget to send flowers home.
Oh yeah, no, I. Love.
Them thank you so much. Is it weird that you're giving
you make flowers? Like when I bought, when I
bought them for you, I was like, might Jake think there's
something in it? No, I think more boys should
give each other flowers. Yeah, like because men don't get
flowers very often. And I also think that we should
we should tell each other we love each other more.
I agree. You know, like there's there's
nothing wrong in that. Jake, I love you.
I love you too mate, thank you so much.
Cheers, bye.