1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,880 Hey everybody, we're excited to share another Ask Me Anything 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,600 episode with you all this week. Thank you so much for everyone 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,000 who submitted questions and those of you who are listening 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,120 to the show week to week. We so appreciate you listening 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,680 to the Leftovers podcast. Wanted to let you know this 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,680 week, especially for those of you with little listeners, kids 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,920 that listen to the show, we get into some topics that I think 8 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:36,320 are, are really important are things we should talk about with 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,600 our kids and, and teach them as Christian parents in Christian 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,480 in households. But for those of you with 11 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,560 listeners, especially under like the age of 10, you may not be 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,560 ready to jump into some of these things with them just yet. 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,560 So I'd encourage you to listen to the show first before you 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,040 share it with your kids and, and then go from there. 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,040 And hopefully we inform and teach and help you with some 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,360 conversations and some topics related to this. 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,800 So why don't we give you a heads up. 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:17,520 Love y'all enjoy the show. Happy Monday. 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,560 This is the ERC Leftovers podcast. 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,280 We got a lot, a lot leftover. We got a lot of questions 21 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,320 leftover. So many Pastor Chris. 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,840 Is here. Kristen's here. 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,040 I'm Pastor Matt. Thanks for tuning in. 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Listening with us. We're here, but we're not here. 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,720 We're on. We're in sunny Jacksonville, FL. 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,120 I hope it's sunny. I hope so, it'd be nice. 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,560 Not that we're going to have a whole lot of beach time, but 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,720 we're going to the Church Leaders Summit in Jacksonville, 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,920 FL Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday this week. 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,440 So prerecorded Ask Me Anything episode today for your listening 31 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,840 pleasure. You know what? 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,400 Anytime somebody says that word, I can't help but think of 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,520 Chick-fil-A. My pleasure. 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,880 My pleasure. Honestly, like, and I wonder how 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,520 many, how much effort it takes for the managers of that place 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,120 to be like, Oh no, you don't say you're welcome. 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,720 You, you don't bust that out. You save my pleasure. 38 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,600 I mean, I think that's like a fireable offense pretty pretty 39 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,040 instantly, right it? Would seem to be. 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,240 Oh yeah. That sounds like free. 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,640 Food. Now there is there is a song 42 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:29,320 somewhere on YouTube that's based on that phrase and it's 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,040 epic. You came back to this. 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,880 Yeah, I'm sorry, I can't help it. 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,440 No, my pleasure. I'm sorry you before we started 46 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,480 recording you could not get what can I say except you're welcome. 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,000 Oh yeah, but. You've moved on to. 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,080 I've now moved on to YEAH and it's different. 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,800 There's a my pleasure. There is, you can find it on 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,440 YouTube and I highly recommend it because the Chick-fil-A My 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,720 Pleasure song is hilarious and there's a great video that goes 52 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,480 with it and it's fun for the whole family. 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,640 As far as I as far as I remember, it's fun for the whole 54 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,000 family. All right, we might want to vet 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,080 that before we just. Yeah. 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,800 OK. Link in the show notes. 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,480 I wouldn't link it in the show notes, but if you've got the 58 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Matt, if you, if you, if you've got the time to give to go look 59 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,960 this thing up, I think you'll be happily, happily surprised at 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,480 the comedic effect it has. OK, And this is this is like a 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,040 spoof parody song that someone made, OK, promoting Chick-fil-A. 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,560 Well, now I have to find it. Real quick and I'm not going. 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,880 To play it, you can keep talking, but I just need to make 64 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,640 sure that it is in fact actually there and I didn't make that up 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,880 in my brain. And this is the moment of the 66 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,640 podcast that Kristen knew she just had made a huge mistake. 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,560 Glad I brought a Mountain Dew. Oh, my goodness. 68 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Well, all right, there it is. OK. 69 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:53,440 It's real. There. 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:54,400 It is. It is real. 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,200 It's called in parentheses Chick-fil-A rap, but you just 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,760 type in on YouTube, my pleasure, Chick-fil-A, and it is like the 73 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,280 first video that shows up. It's awesome. 74 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,760 It is this guy going through the restaurant and he's like 75 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,240 rapping. And I just, you know what? 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,920 Chick-fil-A, it's got to be clean family. 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,760 Fun it is. It is because that's actually 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,680 filmed inside of a Chick-fil-A with a real Chick-fil-A 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,800 employee. So therefore it is good, clean 80 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,120 family hilarity and fun. And I promise you, it'll be like 81 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,760 maybe the best 2 minutes of your day all. 82 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,200 Right. So we're going to have to fully 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,960 vet that like later after this. But for now, Pastor Chris. 84 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,880 I'm definitely watching it now it's happening. 85 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,600 Putting it all out there. Anyway, sorry. 86 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,680 I'm like, all right, Yep, random, random start. 87 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,720 We're in fine form. We're in we're in regular 88 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,280 standard form for the Leftovers podcast. 89 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,160 So far, great, great. We have we have some funny ask 90 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,080 me anything questions. We have some deeper theological 91 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,520 ask me anything questions today. And we're going to keep it to a 92 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,440 tight hour, I think. So let's just let's dive right 93 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,800 into it. Kristen, are we starting with 94 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,880 fun? Yeah, fun. 95 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,920 So, Speaking of food, if you were a food, which one would you 96 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,360 be and why? Oh. 97 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,120 My goodness A. Food. 98 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,280 So figured out which Princess I am. 99 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:17,840 Now I need to figure out which food I am. 100 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,400 OK, before we answer the food question, it's funny that we get 101 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,040 to record this. Having released the first one, I 102 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,520 was pretty impressed with some of the rationale and reasoning 103 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,960 that some people had in guessing which Princess it like. 104 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,440 It made me feel bad about how I answered. 105 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,880 I should have more accurately answered either like Tiana or 106 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,400 Ariel apparently. Jokes on you, all my knowledge 107 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,120 of Disney princesses and their deep seated characteristics 108 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,960 isn't that great. So somebody said something about 109 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,120 Cinderella for me, which I was like, oh, the shoe, because it's 110 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,680 the shoe. The whole the whole thing is 111 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,480 about the, the, the shoe. And I was like, yeah, actually 112 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,640 that you make a fantastic point, but I'm not friends with any 113 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,120 like rodents and nor. Would I want to be, which is 114 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,000 probably a good thing. Another redeeming quality that 115 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,080 you have and not not close friends with rodents. 116 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,200 Not the dancing and singing, it would be the. 117 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Rodents. I mean, if there was a mouse 118 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,600 that was dancing and singing, I would probably want to be 119 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,840 friends. With it like Stuart Little. 120 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,360 I mean, yeah, sure, why not? Glasses. 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Yeah. And glasses. 122 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Yeah. Absolutely. 123 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,720 Why not? All right. 124 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,240 So the question is, if we were to be a food, what food would we 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,040 be? But you got to have a. 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,480 Why? Oh. 127 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Man, OK, so this this question is really weird. 128 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:49,520 I feel like because we enjoy food for eating it, Yeah, I 129 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,720 don't think it's a good thing to be a food, right? 130 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,720 I think you're thinking too hard. 131 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,200 There's no desirable quality in being a food. 132 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,160 No, I can't I. Yeah, I'm thinking too hard. 133 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,520 I always think too hard, but I don't have an immediate answer. 134 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,120 Do you have? I don't have an immediate. 135 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,600 Answer All right, Kristen, do you have an? 136 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Immediate. Absolutely. 137 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Wow. OK, so I'm thinking more like 138 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,280 the princesses, OK. What food are you? 139 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,560 Yeah, yeah. So like why? 140 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:25,400 Like the why part? So I would be the hot brownie 141 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:31,720 with the like sundae on top. Because it's sweet and salty and 142 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,600 it has all the things. And a little melty. 143 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,040 And it's a little and kind of obnoxious, but like you don't 144 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,320 mind. And then halfway through you're 145 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,520 like, I think this was a mistake. 146 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,640 And then you're like, no, maybe not. 147 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,520 And it's. So specific halfway through 148 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,760 you're like, this is a. Yeah, I'm thinking about. 149 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,080 That's you. Yep. 150 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,560 But but then the next time you order it again, you're like, 151 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,160 Yep. All right, your answer gave me 152 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,320 no clarity. What all right on how to answer 153 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,480 this question? I don't. 154 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Feel any better about that? I'm. 155 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,080 I'm good with that. I'm glad that on some, like, 156 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,280 personal philosophical level, you connect with the hot, gooey 157 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,440 brownie sundae. Yeah. 158 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:17,560 All right. OK. 159 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,840 OK. I feel like you'd be savory. 160 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,040 How about that? I would be savory, yeah. 161 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,680 So. Yeah. 162 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,000 OK. I, I, I think I agree. 163 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:36,679 I think I would be some sort of salty sweet thing. 164 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,159 I really like, especially at Christmas time, the little 165 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,440 Eileen's white chocolate Christmas pretzels that have 166 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,920 like the red and green sprinkles on them. 167 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,640 Oh yeah, those are red. They're covered in white 168 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,400 chocolate and have it's like those are one of my favorite 169 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,040 things. But I think it also makes sense 170 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:59,280 for me because I'm not I'm not an openly emotional person 171 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,520 really. Like I kind of just stoicism is 172 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:08,000 just kind of my thing. But I can be sweet. 173 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Most of the time though, like the thoughts are salty, like 174 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,120 even they don't always come out. But like most of the time the 175 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,440 internal monologue, like there's a salty, salty thought that I 176 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,240 then need to like filter and say in a way that allows me to 177 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,560 interact with people normally. So does that make sense? 178 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:34,480 Yeah, OK. So I don't know if that's the 179 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,720 best salty sweet answer. That's one of my favorite salty 180 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,760 sweet things, I guess. Yeah. 181 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Like chocolate covered, chocolate covered caramel, the 182 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,000 little sea salt on it, something like that. 183 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,360 I think that's where I'm at. Like a salty sweet thing. 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,160 OK. Yeah, I, I think, OK, so as I've 185 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,680 thought about this, I need to think, and maybe you can help me 186 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:56,640 out. I need to think of a food that 187 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,920 is like super easily accessible. Like I, I do feel that way. 188 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,840 I feel like people can call me, ring me up any moment of any day 189 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,160 and like, I'm, I'm going to be there, right? 190 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:13,240 Like so very accessible, maybe a little, maybe a little too 191 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,800 sugary sometimes. Sugary. 192 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,800 Yeah, like I'm going to get you a little bit. 193 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,480 Like I'm too hyped up. Like too much, too much of the 194 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,520 sugar. You are nerds. 195 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,880 Clusters. Yeah, actually, you know, you 196 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,160 know what? Let's roll with that, because 197 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,680 that feels good, right? Now, because I feel like they're 198 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:35,840 just poppable, like you don't. They're that instant sugar like 199 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,920 that. That's a sugar explosion. 200 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,800 Yeah, in in your mouth. Yeah, it's going to be quick. 201 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,240 Like I'm, I'm just going to be right there with the, you know, 202 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,640 typically energy like too much sometimes. 203 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,840 They don't have the messiness of just like regular nerds, they're 204 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,960 actually like a accessible little. 205 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,920 Yeah, yeah. Thing I like that. 206 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,360 That's good. Thanks for helping me. 207 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:56,400 We're all we're all some form of sweets though. 208 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,080 Like it's true. None of us are hearty, 209 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,200 sustenative. Chili. 210 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,960 Chili. Everybody's chili. 211 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,080 Yeah. Oh, I thought that's alright. 212 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,560 I thought you were jumping. I thought you were changing to 213 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,080 chili. No, no, like, no, I'm chili 214 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,600 like. I don't get to be like chicken 215 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,560 noodle soup, like, oh, look, I'm going to comfort you, man, man. 216 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,880 Like I'm not not not necessarily that like. 217 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,640 So I like this that we landed on the foods that describe you now, 218 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,040 if you had to be a food, like for the purpose of food, because 219 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,520 I think we talked about, we saw, we saw this question last week 220 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,560 and we just, we hadn't gotten to it. 221 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,400 And I think part of your answer was, I want to be, I want to be 222 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,800 something that's not going to get eaten because I want to be a 223 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,840 food. I want to be a food that no 224 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,200 one's going to want to eat. So from from that perspective of 225 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,840 like, do you want to be a food that other people want to eat or 226 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,760 do you want to be a food that people avoid? 227 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,600 Is there is there something that comes to mind? 228 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,520 I mean, if, if you were a food for food's sake, would you want 229 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,760 to be something that's a favorite of people and you would 230 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,680 get eaten or something that people just actively scorned? 231 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,840 I think I'd like to be a food that sits in a can on yourself 232 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,880 for like 6 years and then you finally look at it and you're 233 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,200 like, you know what the expiration date was like 3 years 234 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,600 ago. But it's fine. 235 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,600 There's enough preservatives. So like pumpkin pie filling? 236 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,920 Yeah, absolutely. Let me, let me be, pumpkin. 237 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,600 Pie or or black beans. Yeah. 238 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Oh, black. There you go. 239 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,360 A little little protein, you know, little, little fiber help 240 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,680 you keep. One of those salty thoughts 241 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:34,720 inside just now. We really need to get video for 242 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:35,880 this. No, no. 243 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,880 I need to hide. You know what, we can get video 244 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:46,280 because today I'm showing off my super cool new embroidered ERC 245 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,240 sweater. You did. 246 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,160 You did get some of your. I just love. 247 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Quarter zips Custom embroidered I. 248 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,160 Love like selling out for ERC like I wear this stuff 249 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,080 everywhere. I love it you. 250 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,800 Got to get some custom shoes. Oh. 251 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,920 My gosh is you think that's a thing? 252 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,440 Absolutely. It's a thing. 253 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,640 I'm definitely getting shoes. ERC Shoes. 254 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,160 ERC stuff on it that's happening. 255 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,520 Oh yeah. Oh my. 256 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:13,920 Matt, you just pointed me my next maybe financially 257 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,520 irresponsible decision. Agree. 258 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,680 You just pointed me towards it. So thank you. 259 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:18,920 You're welcome for that. Yep. 260 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,320 Anytime. Can't wait. 261 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Very good. All right, something a little 262 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,960 more serious now, I guess. Where, where are we going on the 263 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,880 theological side of things here, Kristen? 264 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,520 Yeah, we're going to get. Real. 265 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Oh man, We're going right forward, yeah. 266 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,720 All right, it's not. Yeah. 267 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,960 From food to yeah. OK, Is sex before marriage a 268 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,800 salvation issue? Whoa. 269 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,720 You don't say. Yeah. 270 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Whoa. All right, let that one breathe 271 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:57,600 for a second. Initial reaction, Well, OK, I 272 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,960 think we need to define salvation issue as as an 273 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:08,560 integral part of this question because I would say yes, in the 274 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:14,560 sense that sin is a salvation issue, right? 275 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,360 I don't think that probably doesn't sound crazy. 276 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,520 I don't think it's a radical stance, probably. 277 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,680 But I think to to lay that out as a fact, like every sin put 278 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Jesus on the cross, right? So therefore. 279 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:32,960 There is a salvation issue and then to follow that up, yes, sex 280 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,040 before marriage is a sin also. That is correct. 281 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,840 All right, thank you for that affirmation. 282 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,280 So by that just even two line logic there, if sin is a 283 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:51,200 salvation issue and sex before marriage is a sin, then 284 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,600 therefore sex before marriage is a salvation issue. 285 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:05,320 Now is it more of a salvation issue than someone married 286 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:15,200 wrapped up in a porn addiction? Someone just in a habitual sin 287 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:21,560 habit, married or not? I mean any sin habit is a 288 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,440 salvation issue. How about we talk, you know, you 289 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,160 can spur that on towards like, I think the sin that most 290 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Americans are probably a part of and never recognize, which is 291 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,520 greed. That's a big one that we don't 292 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,280 even notice because, well, I'm just keeping up with the Joneses 293 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,400 or whatever. No, that's. 294 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Greed, I think, I think sloth we we often just kind of shrug off. 295 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,040 In a slothful way, we shrug it off. 296 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,800 Like see, you're right, we we need video. 297 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,160 You're right, for your terrible sloth impression, we need. 298 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Video Kristen no doubt has a better one. 299 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,280 I'm sure she does. Oh my goodness. 300 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:07,320 So if yeah, if I'm understanding the heart of this question, it's 301 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,320 this scene in particular is interesting because you can keep 302 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,680 doing that same action, obviously having sex, having 303 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,360 intercourse. Sorry parents, we didn't give 304 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,720 you like a heads up on this. We we should maybe throw that in 305 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,960 there. That's what that's what post 306 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:31,120 edits are for. Anyway, this thing is 307 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,920 interesting because sex before marriage, you know what the fix 308 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,640 for that is? Getting married, right? 309 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,680 Like, OK, instantly you can take part in part in the same exact 310 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,920 action, but be married and biblically it's fine, right? 311 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:55,560 You can't like be greedy or or be wrapped up serve 2 masters 312 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,840 thing. You can't be so wholly focused 313 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,320 on money that it's so much more than God. 314 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,040 You can't like come into a billion dollars and then I'll 315 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,800 Oh, OK, I don't love money anymore. 316 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Like my, my money problem is gone, right? 317 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,400 There's there's I can't really think of another sin that is 318 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,680 that readily just. OK, you can keep doing the same 319 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,160 action, but now it's allowable under in God's perspective. 320 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,520 Wow, interesting, right. Yeah, There's not like you can't 321 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,880 you can't be a pathological liar. 322 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,680 And then all of a sudden there's a context in which under God, 323 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,280 that's fine, right? Yeah. 324 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:41,000 No, you're spot on. So in but that also is to say 325 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,520 it's not I don't think any more significant of a sin than these 326 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,400 other things that we've listed lion greed, sloth, pornography, 327 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,720 adultery. It's it's there should it be 328 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,920 addressed? Yes, and you know what, it's 329 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,920 pretty easy to do. Like even you don't need to have 330 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:10,240 a big ceremony or like we don't have formal biblical constructs 331 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,920 of what makes up marriage, which I think is interesting. 332 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,240 The Bible just kind of defaults to it's one of those things that 333 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,360 whatever the civic laws, the government, the earthly 334 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:25,120 governmental rulers set out to define marriage, there is this 335 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:28,600 interaction that yes, we do it. We do it under God and we do it 336 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:34,280 in the in the way acknowledging that it's a gift that God set up 337 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,360 for man and woman to come together and and cleave leave 338 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:41,800 their family and cleave to each other and and be a new family 339 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,560 and be 1 flesh. But there's also like the civic 340 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,280 aspect of it too. You you formally acknowledge 341 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,240 that you are legally now that entity together, right? 342 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,440 So you can just literally, you can go down to the courthouse 343 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,320 and just legally get married and this isn't any longer a 344 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,080 salvation issue, right as a sin. Yeah, I, you know, one of the, 345 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,560 one of the things that I think needs to be brought out on this 346 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:15,400 topic is, yeah, the why of it. OK, So if you think about 347 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,640 intimate relationship in the context of physical intimacy, 348 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,000 OK, so I want to share physical intimacy with this other person. 349 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,240 Yeah, I'm unwilling to share financial intimacy with them. 350 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,640 I'm unwilling to unwilling to share total social intimacy with 351 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,840 them. I'm unwilling to share name your 352 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,640 intimacy that comes with like a really good relationship. 353 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,600 And so God would look at that and say, so wait, you're you, 354 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,080 you want this one part, but not the whole thing? 355 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,440 Do we not do that with God too? Like, oh, I want God's 356 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,720 blessings. I want him to listen to me when 357 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,440 I'm in trouble, but I don't really want his law more. 358 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:58,400 On my terms. Yeah, I want it on my terms. 359 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,440 And so like physical intimacy alone is that it is not God 360 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,160 honoring because it's I want something on my terms and that 361 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:12,080 is 100% completely selfish. That is, that is me looking at 362 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,960 somebody else and saying, hey, I want this one aspect of your 363 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,200 existence. But you can leave the rest out. 364 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,720 I don't, I don't really want to love you. 365 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,320 I just want to use you. And so I think in a lot of ways 366 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,000 when we when we kind of parse out like, OK, I want to be your 367 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,480 friend because you can introduce me to the right people or I want 368 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,120 to be with you in a relationship because you will have sex with 369 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:37,840 me. But I don't really want the 370 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,360 rest. I don't want your family. 371 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,320 I don't want your finance, you know, And so I mean it. 372 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,560 It definitely becomes an issue of selfishness, of pride, of 373 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,360 ego, of all these kinds of things. 374 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,120 And none of those are honoring to God. 375 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,440 Yeah, yeah, I think that's. I think it's tough and it's an 376 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,960 awkward, sticky thing on the surface. 377 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:02,520 Even just if you if you just stop the question at is sex 378 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,440 before marriage a sin? Yeah, it is. 379 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,240 And even if even if that action between those two people becomes 380 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,080 a, even if they get married and and that's and it's still just 381 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,680 those two, like no, that time before they were married, that 382 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,560 was still sinful habit, right? That was still sinful practice 383 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,520 in in God's eyes. Is there repentance and grace 384 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,680 for that just like any of these other addictions or any of these 385 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,160 other sin habits? Yeah, I don't. 386 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,000 And I don't say that to minimize. 387 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,680 It's still I wouldn't say you should do it like yes, if you're 388 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,880 if you're engaging in sex before marriage, don't even if you 389 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,600 intend to marry this person, either get married or abstain 390 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,120 till you get married would would be the biblical worldview on 391 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:57,080 that so. The other thing I think about 392 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,200 this that's kind of interesting is that like if you go down the 393 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,280 path of, well, I plan to get married and I know God Forgives 394 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,160 sins as I, you know, confess them and repent. 395 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,200 So therefore, when I am married, I will look backwards and then 396 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,120 go, all right, Lord, you know, I know I was wrong, you know, I 397 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,960 was wrong, but here I am now making this right. 398 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,120 The the problem with that point of view, there's a couple of 399 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:24,880 them, but I'll just name one. The problem with that is it's, 400 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,160 it's cheap grace. It's it's looking at God and 401 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,000 saying, yeah, I know eventually you'll, you'll forgive. 402 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,400 Me, I know this is bad but it's covered so I'm I'm good. 403 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,200 Right, That's that's what we call cheap grace. 404 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,160 And that's just not helpful because here's the thing, like 405 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,760 if I'm looking at God in that through that lens, what I'm 406 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,680 doing essentially is saying that you're going to work with me on 407 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,840 my timeline with what I want to do, when I want to do it, how I 408 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800 want to do it. And so is that really loving and 409 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,720 honoring God? If I did that to my spouse, for 410 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,360 example, like think of anything I, I, I could potentially do to 411 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,000 them. I could say, well, I'm not going 412 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,080 to help with the dishes or cleaning the house ever because 413 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,880 she'll just do it. And she'll forgive my sloth and 414 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,840 my laziness because she loves me. 415 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,480 So it's fine. No, I should, even if I don't 416 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,880 want to do those things, I should be actively pursuing 417 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,480 doing those things because I love her, because I want to 418 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,280 honor her. And I don't have to like it, but 419 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,320 I, but if I love her, I'm, I'm going to be willing to do those 420 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,560 things. So therefore, if I truly am 421 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,840 seeking God for who he is, not just to check a box and say, 422 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,200 well, I followed your rules for this amount of time. 423 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,360 No, like nobody is righteous through the law. 424 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Nobody is. No, my, my call as a Christian 425 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,640 is to love God for who he is and honor him to the very, very best 426 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,560 of my abilities. And so if I, if I look at him 427 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,640 and I say, well, he'll, he'll forgive me for that later. 428 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,280 It's fine, I don't love him, I'm just trying to check a box. 429 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,360 And that should make you question what your relationship 430 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:06,040 with God even is. Yeah, so, and I don't want to, I 431 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,960 don't want this at all. We've maybe spent enough time on 432 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,120 this. But I think it's an interesting 433 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,720 thing because it's something that permeates many 434 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:19,600 relationships. I I societally, I think the kind 435 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,040 of wanted to like test drive the car before you buy it sort of 436 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,520 thing like that that prevail even even in the sense of like 437 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,040 living together can how can you even think about marrying this 438 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,440 person? You've never you've never even 439 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,200 lived with them. Like you don't know the things 440 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:41,800 that's still very new in the arc of society, like past 200, 441 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,160 probably even probably like 100 and 4000 and 50 years. 442 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:51,720 Are we in this even dating society that things were pre 443 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,760 arranged and or, or even requiring the blessing of of 444 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,040 both parents where you didn't you didn't have this just kind 445 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,920 of social free for all of of dating and living together. 446 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,360 So like even those ideas are relatively new on the course of 447 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,920 history. There were I mean arranged 448 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,680 marriages and things. That's that's not something that 449 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,760 happens. It's one day, one day you're 450 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,280 strangers, the next day your parents are like, Hey, you 2 are 451 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,920 getting married and then the next day you're married and 452 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,160 you're living together. And that's just how it goes. 453 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,040 So I think there's this prevailing sentiment in society 454 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,960 that no, you should know that you should know these things. 455 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,680 You should, you should know this person physically, You should 456 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,160 know this how you're going to be able to live with this person. 457 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,920 And that takes a little bit of the the faith God element out of 458 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:45,000 marriage to I think to you should enter in to marriage with 459 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,520 some things unknown only in the regard that you're learning to 460 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,040 love that person each and every day in this relationship that 461 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,600 Emily and I are married for 13 years. 462 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,880 She is not the same person that I married. 463 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,640 And some of that is frustrating. Some of that is good. 464 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,720 So and, and, and I've had to learn how to love her in those 465 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,680 changes that the changes that I like and the changes that I am 466 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800 less fond of. Like I've I've had to do that. 467 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:18,320 And I think that kind of, I don't know, having to answer and 468 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960 check all those boxes before you're married, I think kind of 469 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,440 saps some of the reliance on God. 470 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,320 Well, and think about it this way. 471 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,120 So you you use that phrase test drive. 472 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,960 OK, so let's say somebody looks at me. 473 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,920 Let's say I'm single and somebody looks at me and says, 474 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,160 OK, well, we'll talk about getting married, but first we 475 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,200 need to live together. So even take sex out of the 476 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,640 equation first I want to like live with you because I need to 477 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,520 kind of test you out. So in other words, what's 478 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,360 happening here is you are saying that I will not love you 479 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,880 unconditionally. You are on a performance review. 480 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,000 Now here's The funny thing about that kind of thought process is 481 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,760 as soon as I know I'm no longer on the performance review, now 482 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,400 you're going to get the real me. But prior to that moment, 483 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,680 there's a good chance you're not getting the real me. 484 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,600 And the same, the same thing can be said for intimacy as well. 485 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,760 So if you know the thought process is well, we need to make 486 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,120 sure that we are physically compatible in that way. 487 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,400 So wait a minute, you're saying that if this person does not 488 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,760 perform the way you want, how you want, when you want the, you 489 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,800 know, whatever, all of a sudden they failed that performance 490 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,640 review and so they're no longer worthy of your love. 491 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,600 That's not love. That is lust. 492 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840 That is, that is something other than love. 493 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,040 But it's certainly not that because love is sacrificial by 494 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,040 nature. You know, you love somebody or 495 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,320 something or when you are willing to give up your rights 496 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,480 in some ways, when you are willing to let go of your the 497 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,480 options that maybe you had right? 498 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,640 Because how does how would Jesus define love through his actions? 499 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,920 His actions define love as such of I'm willing to give up myself 500 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,680 for you. So therefore, if we are testing 501 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,880 things out, you know, whether it's living together, whether 502 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,920 it's sex, whether it's whatever, that person, I'm sorry. 503 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,320 And I'm just going to say they don't love you, they're testing 504 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:17,800 you. That's not love. 505 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:24,960 Yeah, and I don't I got off in a societal sidetrack there of of 506 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520 where I was saying I don't want this to come out holier than 507 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,240 thou or even compared to no braggadocious at all. 508 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,960 But I mean, that's that's one of my favorite things about Emily 509 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,120 and my's relationship. We only ever dated each other. 510 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,680 I've never even kissed another girl. 511 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:48,120 We did not have sex before we got married and I I love that. 512 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,040 I'm not saying that you have failed relationally if like 513 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,080 there's many of you that are way past that point. 514 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080 And also like those of you that are younger than me that that 515 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,520 aren't married yet, you may have already crossed some of those 516 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,960 lines. And like, there's no, there's no 517 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,920 going back to that. I'm not saying you've, you've 518 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,760 failed or that we're better at relationships with you. 519 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,360 But for those of you that are still young, maybe aren't even 520 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,280 considering dating yet or or just are old enough to get 521 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,400 married, but just haven't hold on to that. 522 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Like you don't need to rush into all of this. 523 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,360 There's there's time to cherish and plan and be intentional, 524 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,520 intentional. Well, that was a hard word about 525 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,320 this person that God has in mind for you in union, in marriage in 526 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,280 the perfect way that he orchestrated this relationship. 527 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880 So. And I would say that, of course, 528 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,240 you know, the Bible would promote the fact that, like, 529 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,440 physical intimacy is an incredibly important part of 530 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,520 that committed relationship. You cannot downplay that. 531 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,600 It's so important, however, you know, to put that up front and 532 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,480 say, well, we have to try this out first is to put it at a 533 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,760 level of importance that it does not belong. 534 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,320 Because quite frankly, Lord willing, we will. 535 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,200 You know, a couple will be together so long that physical 536 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,560 intimacy, even if it started out as like a core part of like us 537 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,960 meeting together, like emotionally and physically, at 538 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,440 some point, if you stayed together long enough, that's not 539 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,560 going to be the case anymore. Like, you know, and I, and I can 540 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480 say this without saying too much, like my wife and I are 541 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,480 different in our mid 40s than we were in our 20s. 542 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,480 And we're that like the main or key component that either of us 543 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,160 were looking for, you know, and that's why we decided like 544 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,160 that's not something that can be sustained over that period of 545 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,240 time. And God says that marriage is 546 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,960 for this lifetime. And so therefore, like we cannot 547 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,040 base the whole thing on like, hey, are we compatible this way? 548 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,880 And we certainly shouldn't be quote UN quote testing each 549 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,440 other out, because that's not love. 550 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,960 Yeah, so a lot more scriptural backing for that too. 551 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,600 First Corinthians 6 and 7 is where much of this is rooted sex 552 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,480 being intended for the covenant of marriage and and even that 553 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,760 it's better to marry than burn with passion kind of that. 554 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,640 Well, if you're, if this is a struggle for just get married, 555 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,000 just get married and you're fine. 556 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,600 And that's no longer the same issue. 557 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,960 So Yep. All right, that was a big one. 558 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,560 That was a long discussion, but I think relevant. 559 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,920 So, all right, how can one discern your own thoughts and 560 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,280 ideas from those placed in you by the Holy Spirit? 561 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,320 Let's kick it off with a Bible verse to warm us up to this 562 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,800 question. Isaiah 5589 says, For my 563 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,520 thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are my ways, nor are my ways 564 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,160 one more try, nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord. 565 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways 566 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,680 higher than yours, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 567 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,800 OK, so we actually kind of touched on this, but I'll, I'll 568 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,880 rehash a little bit like, so if I'm not sure, like is this the 569 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,200 Lord speaking to me? Is that like the prompting of 570 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,960 the Holy Spirit to make this decision or say this or don't 571 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,840 say that again? Like what's a good filter for 572 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,200 that? Like fruits of the Spirit from 573 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,480 Galatians 6. Awesome filter. 574 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,800 If if it is not promoting peace and joy and love and kindness 575 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,080 and patience and you know, so on and so forth, if it's not going 576 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,720 to do any of those things, then that's probably not God 577 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,240 prompting you. Like I could be angry. 578 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,160 And if I'm like, huh, I should punch that guy in the face. 579 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,440 Is that a God honoring answer to to what? 580 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,720 Whatever The thing is happening? Kristen is shaking her head. 581 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,880 No, that is correct. I should not do that. 582 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,720 That is not God honoring. That's not the spirit telling me 583 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,960 to do that. Now that's a kind of a 584 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,640 ridiculous example. There are certainly more subtle 585 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,280 ones that we could probably touch on. 586 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,400 So, and to get into the subtlety of it, I think again, part of 587 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,680 the intention of this question, what about what about a 588 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,240 decision, say should I take this job or not? 589 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,600 Because that question, you're not going to find the answer to 590 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,720 that question in the Bible, right? 591 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,520 And there's, there's plenty of specific scenarios to our lives 592 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,400 that the Bible even you're not going to get a direct answer 593 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,080 from God, even sometimes as much as you pray about it sometimes, 594 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720 sometimes as much as you study scripture or listen for it. 595 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,920 There are seemingly some things that we just don't get a clear 596 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,320 response from God on right now. I'm not talking crazy, right? 597 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:02,400 In those instances, if it's not blatantly violating his word, 598 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,679 his will, I think we land on freedom in that now it might 599 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,480 wind up being a bad thing. It might, it might wind up being 600 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,400 a sort of like trial by fire sort of scenario where, yeah, 601 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,120 God gave us the free will, gave you the free will to make this 602 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,320 decision. And oh, it was a mistake. 603 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,560 And you'll learn some lessons from it. 604 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,080 And but, but again, in in that what you intended for evil was 605 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,280 working for good or God works all things together for the good 606 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,239 of those who love him. That doesn't mean you're not 607 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,360 going to experience mistakes and hardship and hurt in that. 608 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,600 But it doesn't, I don't think, also always mean that those 609 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,639 mistakes and hardship are punishment for disobeying God, 610 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,600 for not following his will. I think there's freedom in all 611 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:57,080 of that as we experience it. And he does use trials and 612 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,800 tribulations for, I mean for the, the testing and 613 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,000 perseverance of your faith, right? 614 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,360 Like for the refiners, fire sort of thing. 615 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,120 So as it relates to your own thoughts and ideas as those 616 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:16,560 placed in you by the Holy Spirit, is it in alignment with 617 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,640 God's Word? If it is, good. 618 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,680 If it's not, probably don't do that. 619 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,520 If it's not covered in God's Word, I think there's freedom 620 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,200 for that to, to, to make the decision one way or the other, 621 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,000 and you're just going to kind of have to wait to see how it plays 622 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,920 out. You know what God is not? 623 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,000 He is not a micromanager. No, you know, so ask another 624 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,240 question. Should I marry this person? 625 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,560 You know what is I I might, I might hurt some of you romantic 626 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,120 people out there, but I am not the kind of person who's like, 627 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,720 Oh well, man, I found my one soul mate. 628 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,040 Yes, out of the 7 billion people, I found the one. 629 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,560 You know what? Related to that last, I agree 630 00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,960 with you. Related to that, to that last 631 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,480 question, there's not one person for you. 632 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,920 There's. Right. 633 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,000 There's a lot of people that like, I think you know, you, you 634 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,760 could be in a very loving, God honoring relationship with Now, 635 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,680 ultimately God tells you you need to choose one and. 636 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,680 You love them for the rest. Of your life and you and you 637 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,680 love them. But the the point is, yeah, 638 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,560 God's not a micromanager. And so like, take even another 639 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160 lens that you could view this question through. 640 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,640 Is it is it me or is it the Holy Spirit? 641 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,800 Which one is it? OK, well, more simple lens than 642 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,840 even the fruits of the Spirit, which is a longer list. 643 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,760 Jesus's two laws that are most important. 644 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,760 Does what I am thinking about doing, does that honor God and 645 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,720 or does it love my neighbor? Well, so if, if, if even I can 646 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:48,720 use that very simple kind of lens to look at any thought or 647 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,640 decision through, I'm going to make better, more godly 648 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,800 decisions. Love God, love people. 649 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,520 If it violates, one of those things might be, yeah, something 650 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,200 to pause about. And I mean, like, you know, 651 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,080 James reminds us that, you know, those who ask God for wisdom, 652 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,600 he's going to give it to them. And it's not a maybe it's no 653 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,480 you, you pray about that thing. There are very few decisions 654 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,720 that we have to make this second. 655 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,360 There aren't that many, to be honest. 656 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,880 And so like, if you can just take 1015 minutes or a day, you 657 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,520 know that a lot of financial experts will tell you sleep on 658 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,680 it before any purchase of this amount of money. 659 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,600 Yeah, like, stop and pray like the God who is the God of 660 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,960 wisdom, who created the entire universe. 661 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,080 Like he is going to give you what you need as you earnestly 662 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,280 seek his will. Now if I go to God in my heart, 663 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,520 I'm I've already made my decision. 664 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,480 I don't think that's terribly God honoring and the Bible would 665 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,760 speak directly against that. You're double minded. 666 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,520 Why would you expect to get anything from him right? 667 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,480 So, you know, to that extent, like going with an open heart 668 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,520 and open ears and ask, just ask. Yeah. 669 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,840 All right. I think we got it. 670 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,120 We answered the question, Kristen. 671 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,800 Sounds amazing. Did you want to jump in? 672 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,200 No, OK, no, no. You're welcome. 673 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,640 You might get to jump in on this next one. 674 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,200 Though oh goodness. All right, so a little lighter. 675 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,960 What are some faith-based routines that you and your 676 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,920 family do together that you feel make the biggest impact on their 677 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,440 growth and development of a relationship with Jesus? 678 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:36,600 OK, being in the throes of young minds right now, I'll I have I 679 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,200 have some ideas. I have some things that we do. 680 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,200 Levi Lusko, you maybe hear him. He was the host for Greg 681 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,800 Laurie's. Why can't I think of his revival 682 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,680 nights? Darn it, I. 683 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,800 Know what you're talking? About yeah, Pastor Greg Laurie. 684 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,040 Anyway, Levi was like kind of the intro pastor for a lot of 685 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,120 these revival nights across the nation with Greg Laurie. 686 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,560 He has a couple devotional series. 1 is called Roar Like a 687 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,760 Lion. There's another one about 688 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,440 marveling in God's creation. And we just we go around 689 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080 breakfast. Three of our kids can read. 690 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,360 The other two are still working on it, but they just, they take 691 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,080 turns. It's like it's like 2 pages. 692 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120 It starts with either a Bible verse or a short passage and 693 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,160 just kind of gives a realistic scenario for a kids day in which 694 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,800 that relates to it. And then there's a, there's a 695 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,800 fun, did you know sort of sort of thing about about God's 696 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,680 creation, just like a random fact about whatever, how many 697 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,960 plankton a blue whale eats or something like that. 698 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,440 And, and then there's like a prayer prompt at the, at the end 699 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,960 of it takes even, even even our seven-year old takes them like 3 700 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,080 minutes to read. It's, it's not, it's not long, 701 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,520 but it is a good kind of like singular solo thought settling 702 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,440 thought for the day. We do that during breakfast so 703 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,960 that whatever happens the rest of the day throughout the day, 704 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,120 like we, we started there together. 705 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,640 I'll, I'll link a couple of these. 706 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,320 I'll, I'll link those DeVos in the show notes here too. 707 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,280 They're they're easy to find and get them on Amazon. 708 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,320 What we also do, we have well, we haven't we haven't always 709 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,200 employed it when they were younger and we are still trying 710 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,320 to impress consequences upon them. 711 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,280 We had a consequence jar. And I've, I've heard this from 712 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,640 others of you as well, that there were a variety of 713 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,880 punishments when they, when they acted out or whatever hit one of 714 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,000 their siblings or just didn't listen or whatever it was. 715 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,360 There's like 5 or 6 stick you can use like popsicle sticks and 716 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,400 just write something on there. You can use like rolled up 717 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,400 pieces of paper in a jar. And there are like whatever 5 718 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:54,880 minute timeout, whatever, whatever it might be, no screen 719 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,840 time, I don't know we don't really do screen time anymore 720 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,240 anyways, But you can you can have consequences in there. 721 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,480 But there's also one of this you got like 5 of them in there. 722 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:09,120 One of the sticks, one of the pieces of paper is grace is like 723 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,640 you get out of jail free card basically like there. 724 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,840 And, and you can still explain, OK, this is the consequence that 725 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,360 would have happened for this, but I need you to learn grace 726 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,880 and I need you to learn God's how God sees you because of what 727 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,280 Jesus did. So they're still understanding 728 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,120 the gravity of the of the punishment. 729 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,400 And they still kind of felt that fear and grief of that there was 730 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,480 going to be a punishment because they're reaching in the jar for 731 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,200 punishment. But there's also that teachable 732 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,480 grace moment in that too. Yeah. 733 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,920 So those those couple of things are what immediately comes to 734 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,560 mind for me. Sorry, I didn't, I didn't prep 735 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,440 as much of that. But those are our those are some 736 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,160 regular habits that we have either of you. 737 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,120 Oh, Chris. All right, I know Chris left. 738 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,160 That it was aggressive it. Was aggressive. 739 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:06,760 Yeah, I think as a routine, just making our kids do stuff 740 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,280 sometimes. Yeah, to be honest, I think not 741 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,720 to make fun of gentle parenting, but you know, like asking what 742 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,120 they want or feel like. When it comes to faith-based 743 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,160 routines, there are things that have never been optional. 744 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,880 We come to church as a family. We sit together. 745 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,080 The more we serve. We really love being able to sit 746 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,880 together when we can. Like that's one of those. 747 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,120 We hit the parking lot. Like all five of us should be 748 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,360 sitting together like it's this is the Sunday. 749 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,480 But also just all of those kids club and youth group. 750 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,440 I mean, even before we lived in DeWitt, we took the time and 751 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,040 made sure that everybody was here and got to interact with 752 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,680 that. I think when I think of 753 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,560 routines, that's what I think of first is just not giving them 754 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,560 the option of interacting with other people within our our 755 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,640 church body. Now, I know just from being 756 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,560 friends with Derek that he's mentioned on multiple occasions 757 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,280 that like you and him, so we've definitely hit the parent 758 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,000 aspect, right. But like you and him have done 759 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,840 devotionals together. Is that correct? 760 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,480 Yeah. Tell me about that. 761 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,360 There's some really good ones on the Bible app, and the ones that 762 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,600 were always our favorite, to be honest, were the ones that had 763 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,880 some of those questions at the end. 764 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,120 So sometimes you have a devotional and just read and 765 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,680 consume it. And the ones that had those 766 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,720 questions at the end led to some like huge moments in our 767 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,560 marriage. Like when I think about, you 768 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,840 know, we're coming up on 18 years and to have been together 769 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,080 that long, but still like, Oh my gosh, I didn't know that. 770 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,880 Like to be able to have those moments together and to seek 771 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,440 God's will together, I think has been huge for us. 772 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,480 And and that then impacts our family. 773 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,400 Wow, that's awesome. I have two things fairly 774 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,400 quickly, one of which may not relate well. 775 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,960 It could. The first of which is like when 776 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,760 we decided to go off to seminary, although my, my, my 777 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,200 daughter for sure was not excited about the prospect of 778 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,360 moving, but we, we've always kept the, the line that like, 779 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,680 no, like this isn't just dad's new job. 780 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,400 This is something that we do together as a family. 781 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,760 So again, you talked about walking in church and, you know, 782 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,160 you sit together and stuff like, man, yeah, this is not a job or 783 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,680 career for me. I mean, it is, but like, to the 784 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,400 extent that like, no, we all do these things together. 785 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,840 Now it may not always look the same because I don't have my 18 786 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,800 year old son up on the stage preaching, but it does mean that 787 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,160 like, like when we are doing, when we're doing life through 788 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,680 the lens of faith, which it should always be that right? 789 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,200 We're doing that together holistically as as a family. 790 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,480 And so that's, that's one thing that's always true is like, so 791 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,200 like I would say, you know, if you're volunteering for 792 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,120 something, we see this and this is awesome. 793 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,520 I love it. Like for example, you're 794 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,800 volunteering to hold the door at church once a month. 795 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,880 Dude, get your kids involved. I think that's so much fun and 796 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,960 they love it and it shows them a piece of this is what it looks 797 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,720 like to serve my faith community. 798 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,200 It's a way it can look and I think that's super powerful. 799 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,640 The one thing that we have consistently done in my family 800 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,880 that I absolutely love is before every meal, we do the verse of 801 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,200 the day. So you can get on the Bible app, 802 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,080 you can do that however you want, but like we do a verse of 803 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,400 the day. And what that has specifically 804 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,280 done for us is it has taught us how to pray and it continues to 805 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,200 do that because the verse of the day, it will feel kind of 806 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,840 random. So maybe it's Jesus in the 807 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,160 Sermon on the mount. Maybe it's something from, you 808 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,680 know, Exodus and, and in that story. 809 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,760 But no matter what, that one verse, it is going to teach us 810 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,120 something about how then after we read this verse, are we going 811 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,160 to pray to God? And I in particular, I know I've 812 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,000 modeled that pretty intentionally. 813 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,840 So if it is something about, you know, giving God glory, which 814 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,720 sure, then that prayer will be led by Lord, we thank you. 815 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,880 You are so good. You are so gracious to us. 816 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,480 You have done, you know, countless things that we don't 817 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,040 even see, but you're always doing them, you know, And so 818 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,760 like hearing that one verse and then allowing that verse to 819 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,640 teach us how to pray, how to speak to God. 820 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,440 That's been, I think, powerful in our family. 821 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,120 And it's so simple. We even do it when we go out to 822 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,720 eat. And it's funny, at first it 823 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,160 might feel awkward if you've never done anything like that. 824 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,560 But guess what? At some point, and I, I don't 825 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,040 know how long it took, but at some point, like we're, you 826 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680 know, getting our food, you know, bringing it to the table 827 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,080 and, and somebody who's not me is like, OK, who's got the verse 828 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,320 of the day. Like it just becomes part of our 829 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,200 the culture of our family and it's awesome. 830 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,880 Yeah. And I, I would agree with all 831 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,480 that the church is teaching them how to be part of a body of 832 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,240 believers. Just to add on to that, just 833 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:11,400 more emphatically, pray with your kids in, in the things that 834 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,840 are hard and the things that bring anxiety or sadness into 835 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,320 their day. Well, how can we, how can we 836 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,240 pray to God for that? How can we ask for God's help in 837 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:24,600 this, in the things that are awesome that they can have 838 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,840 gratitude for or be thankful for? 839 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,480 Yes, pray those for sure. That's usually where our bedtime 840 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,840 prayers kind of wind up. Like what was what was something 841 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,120 that was brought you joy today, so it was something you were 842 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,680 happy about today or what was something that was hard today. 843 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,120 And we kind of bring those to to God in prayer in that moment 844 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,560 too. So it might feel awkward. 845 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,040 It will it will. I'm not, I'm not sure if you, if 846 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,960 you're not in the habit of praying already, it does feel 847 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,320 awkward and I can't really give you a prescription of when that 848 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,240 will get away, but I can like once you're at some point in the 849 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,520 habit, it will just be natural. It will be like you said with 850 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,280 the verse of the day, like, oh, this is just this is what we do. 851 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,240 This is this is how we handle these things. 852 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,280 Looping back to the kind of consequence jar thing too. 853 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,200 I know not all of you have some of you just have a single child 854 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,840 that there isn't always siblings. 855 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,520 We definitely when they wrong each other, We also try to have 856 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:35,040 some sort of consequence related to how they kind of acted out. 857 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,120 If it's whatever, if it's breaking something, they need to 858 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,960 help them to fix it. If it if it's taking something 859 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,520 away, they they need to figure out how to get that, give that 860 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,880 back to them or gift something back to them, something like 861 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,040 that. But that can work even if it's 862 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,040 even if it's this child like not listening to you as a parent. 863 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,400 Well then maybe they need to write you a card telling the 864 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,160 telling you how sorry they are specifically for that. 865 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,320 Just apply the teaching teach reconciliation. 866 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,480 Basically, I guess it is what is what the consequences are. 867 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:18,480 Teach your children how to make a wrong situation right as as 868 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,440 far as it depends on you live at peace with each other. 869 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,360 Like to teach, teach them that because there's going to be 870 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,200 people that don't want to live at peace with them. 871 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,720 Even at school. There's there's going to be 872 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,480 kids. And it's funny for me to hear 873 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,200 Mike. They come home and like, yeah, 874 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,600 this I I don't know. I can't think of it. 875 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,960 Rex was Rex wasn't listening to the teacher today. 876 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,840 And and he was bad. Like, darn it, Rex. 877 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,240 Always. Causing problems, right? 878 00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:53,080 Like so they can they're they're smart, your kids are smart, they 879 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,560 can identify when something's out of whack. 880 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,640 So teach them as far as it depends on them to, yeah, to be 881 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,160 peaceful with others, to bring reconciliation. 882 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,120 And I think the the misbehavior in your house is a good platform 883 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,360 for teaching them how to do that out in the world. 884 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,000 Yeah. Let me let me add one more thing 885 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,360 now that you brought that up that I think has been incredibly 886 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,120 powerful in the culture of our family, in the culture, in the 887 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:23,000 faith of our family, which is I learned some number of years ago 888 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,760 how important it is, you know, for me as dad and as husband to 889 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,120 just really own my sin. So in other words, I made a 890 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,000 mistake. I blew up. 891 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,400 I, I whatever. It's really important for me not 892 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,400 just to go, well, I'm dad. So therefore, you know what, 893 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,800 they'll get over it. And I was in the right anyway. 894 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,400 I had every right to yell. I had every well, I mean, no, 895 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,320 not really. I didn't, you know. 896 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,920 And so like for me to own that in front of my kids, in front of 897 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:59,160 my wife and do those things like that, that teaches this is what 898 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,160 repentance looks like. And that also gives them an 899 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,400 opportunity to learn and to feel what forgiveness feels like. 900 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,720 And that also teaches me then what it feels like to receive 901 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:13,880 that grace even when I know I don't deserve it because I blew 902 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,720 up for no reason or whatever. Like all of those lessons that 903 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:21,240 we can, that we can provide, Man, I'll tell you what, the 904 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,000 first couple times I did that, that was really difficult. 905 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,520 Like, that was hard for me to do, to look at my kids and say, 906 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,760 you know what? I'm the adult, but guess what? 907 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,800 I was wrong. Yeah. 908 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,520 And to allow them to see that that was that was difficult the 909 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,240 first couple times. But I will tell you, not that 910 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:43,880 you it takes in casually, but it became easier for me to swallow 911 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,040 my pride and repent in a very real way and ask for their 912 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,560 forgiveness. And so that is also something 913 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,400 that, you know, has been incredibly helpful for us as a 914 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,040 family. Yep, absolutely. 915 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,200 Model that for them. You take the first step on it. 916 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,600 Yeah, absolutely. Be the leader. 917 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,800 And this is a very we're very musical family and like that, 918 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,720 but even just the piece of we we have worship music on in our 919 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,840 house a lot of the time. And Kristen, I know, I know you 920 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,560 guys do it most of the time that I'm over at your house. 921 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,640 That's also there's some playlist playing that sounds 922 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,440 that sounds really simple and really cliche, But it's it's 923 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,200 crazy. Just the piece that those simple 924 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,880 melodic truths can bring to a space. 925 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,200 Melodies get stuck in our kids heads. 926 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,600 I know, I know not everyone out there is a musical family, but 927 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,080 even if you're not, I'll tell like God wired our brains in a 928 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,640 cool way to appreciate truths and and melody and music and to 929 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:52,120 be moved to understanding to emotional feeling in music and 930 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,920 things. I'm not saying I'm not saying 931 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,560 your kids are going to grow to know and love Jesus just because 932 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:04,120 there's songs, but they could like, I think it could move that 933 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:07,200 powerfully. So, yeah, just not not that you 934 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:08,600 always have to have something on nothing. 935 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,600 You always have to like fill empty space. 936 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,360 Quiet is good too. But yeah, I, I would, I would 937 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,440 encourage that the pit, the peace and truthful Christian 938 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,440 worship songs in your household too. 939 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,800 That can go a long way. That's cool. 940 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,920 Yeah, all right, let's do another. 941 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,520 We got time for probably one more is my guess. 942 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,440 I'm sorry we were talking today. We got a long long winded 943 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,240 answers. Do you? 944 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,200 OK, we got a couple options here. 945 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,560 I know. Let's do Wow. 946 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,480 Yeah, I know which one I think is the fastest question to 947 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,720 answer. Oh man, and I have notes for 948 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,560 that one too. OK, go for. 949 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,040 It well, there's the website. OK, yes. 950 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,360 OK so last one, in my Catholic upbringing the Blessed Virgin 951 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,280 Mary was mentioned often and the Hail Mary was prayed often. 952 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:12,720 How does the church, like ERC, recognize, honor or value Mary? 953 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,960 OK, so let me let me jump out of the gate here for a second. 954 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,240 Qualify this. Let's let's let's. 955 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,400 Do I have an answer? But it needs to go through the 956 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,920 salty filter first. Go through the salt filter. 957 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,440 Yep. But let me, let me give, let me 958 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,040 give some historical context background to start this answer. 959 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,440 Well, you know, there, there's this website I've been looking 960 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,400 at classical theology.org. So in other words, like what are 961 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,880 some theological leanings that people may have? 962 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,400 And do they date back to the very first century church? 963 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,080 So they would report, and others would report the same, that 964 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:54,560 there is no evidence for Marian veneration in the 1st century 965 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,160 church. That doesn't exist. 966 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:03,040 The earliest thing that we see for Mary in terms of like she is 967 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,320 with Jesus, in terms of not even worship. 968 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,240 But in the second, yeah, 3rd century, what you see for the 969 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,720 first time is you see artwork with Mary and Jesus together. 970 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,120 But that doesn't happen until like the 3rd century. 971 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,680 So Mary, at least in the earliest church, the first, you 972 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,400 know, 2 centuries of the church, we are not seeing any sense of 973 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,240 worship of Mary. That's not happening in the 974 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,720 first church. You know, by the time you get to 975 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,200 this, this, this article, by the way, it says it's, it's kind of 976 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,520 funny how it leaves out the article. 977 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,520 It's not as early, you know, this veneration of Mary, it's 978 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,200 not as early as Catholics would like it to be. 979 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,440 You don't see it there. But for Protestants, it's way 980 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,480 earlier. It's it's way earlier than what 981 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,840 you'd want it to be. So by, you know, 5th, 6th 982 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,080 century, we're starting to see some of this stuff with Mary pop 983 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,880 up. And you know, from my 984 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,880 perspective theologically, like was Mary a blessed AKA seen by 985 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,960 God person? Absolutely she was she was used 986 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,640 in a way that no other human being in all of human history 987 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,600 can can be used. That was that was just that was 988 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,680 just for her. But does that make her perfect? 989 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,240 Absolutely not. Mary it there is no indication 990 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,240 biblically that Mary is a sinless person. 991 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:36,960 There's also no biblical indication that we should seek 992 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,320 her as like in in a mediator between US and God. 993 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,320 There is nothing in the Bible that points to that. 994 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,320 Not a single thing. I cannot make that clear enough. 995 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,760 So like, to the extent that we can look at Mary and say, wow, 996 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,080 God really used her in some pretty amazing ways. 997 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,880 But I can look at Paul the same way. 998 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,040 I can look at Peter the same way. 999 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,760 In fact, I can look at my brothers and sisters right here 1000 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,760 in ERC and say, man, isn't God using them in some pretty 1001 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,000 amazing ways? That doesn't mean I'm going to 1002 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,920 ask any of them to be a mediator between me and God, right? 1003 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:17,800 So to to sum that up, I think we can look at Mary and I think we 1004 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,360 can say like, wow, that that was really cool what God did in her 1005 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,120 life. But to honor her above Paul or 1006 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,960 Peter or anybody else that we may quote UN quote honor, I 1007 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,320 don't. I don't think there's a biblical 1008 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,320 basis for it. No, there's not. 1009 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,160 And that's it may be toned down a little bit going through the 1010 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,720 salt filter, but my answer to the the Blessed Virgin Mary was 1011 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,640 mentioned often. Hail Mary was prayed often. 1012 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,400 How does ERC recognize honor or value Mary? 1013 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:53,120 We don't like that's, that's the salty answer, I guess, because 1014 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,640 but for the reasons that you said, there's nothing in the 1015 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,840 Bible. She certainly wasn't perfect. 1016 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,840 She's not divine. I would even argue that we 1017 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:11,160 shouldn't pray to her like the the the Hail Mary prayer, I 1018 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,680 think falls on deaf ears. I don't I don't think Mary hears 1019 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:15,880 that prayer, to be honest with you. 1020 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,800 So that that's a different issue of praying and where those go 1021 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,560 and how they're heard. But I, I, I don't think she 1022 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,240 does. I think, I think God and the 1023 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,560 Holy Spirit and, and Jesus probably hear that prayer, but 1024 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,440 there's nothing to set Mary apart more. 1025 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,600 So yes, she had that specific instance, but also how, how many 1026 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:44,800 other were jumping into Moses? How many other people in the 1027 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,040 Bible had an encounter with a burning Bush that was the voice 1028 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,040 and presence of God? None of them. 1029 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,960 But so but is is Moses and yes, it was. 1030 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,680 Is Moses a a pillar of the faith talk? 1031 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,560 I mean, pillar of faith talked about even in Hebrews, Abraham, 1032 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:04,000 David, Yeah, these are significant figures throughout 1033 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,320 the course of biblical history and and were real, but Mary's on 1034 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,680 I think the same level ground as them, right. 1035 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,280 Well, and we see for the first time, and I'm just looking at 1036 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,080 this more thoroughly, it is not until late 3rd century that we 1037 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,520 even see the phrase Mother of God in reference to her. 1038 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,960 That doesn't even happen till the late 3rd century. 1039 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,160 So I mean, but I mean, like, is she technically like the earthly 1040 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,760 mother of God? Yep. 1041 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,560 She bore him out. So therefore she is that. 1042 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:44,200 But like it seems to be that origin is misquoted somewhere. 1043 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,320 Yeah, in that 3rd century period and they took that phrase Mother 1044 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,880 of God and they credited to origin as somebody who said, oh, 1045 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,080 look, see we've got this high level biblical scholar who 1046 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,000 really understands this Christianity thing and he is 1047 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,200 like putting her on a high pedestal. 1048 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:06,760 Well, no, that's they have taken what he said out of context and 1049 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,360 they have ran with it into places that it just absolutely 1050 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,800 doesn't belong. There's other there's other 1051 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,120 parts of the figure of Mary where like some will go so far 1052 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,320 as to say, and again, there is 0 biblical backing for this, but 1053 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,400 they'll go so far as to say that Mary was a virgin her entire 1054 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,640 life. Therefore, the other kids that 1055 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,400 she bore, she also did, was not ever sexually intimate to have 1056 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,720 those children. And you're like, I don't know 1057 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,560 where you got that, but it's not in the Bible. 1058 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,760 That's not real. Yeah. 1059 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,880 And to the other part of that, I mean, devil's advocate side of 1060 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,160 this would be OK, but she conceived by the Holy Spirit, 1061 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,680 she was a virgin when she bore Jesus. 1062 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,960 That's a miracle that never happened to anyone else. 1063 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,040 OK, yeah, true. But also what about the the 1064 01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,320 blind who were made to see or the lame made to walk, or those 1065 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,040 that had demons cast out of them or, or like many other people, 1066 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,040 had miraculous things happen to them? 1067 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:12,000 We don't we don't address them in in some sort of divine way. 1068 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,400 We don't put them on a divine pedestal with God. 1069 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,560 And again, there's nothing in the Bible that would suggest we 1070 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,960 should. There's it's, it's a Trinity, 1071 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,880 Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Mary was obviously an integral 1072 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,160 part of the earthly plan of, of Jesus coming to earth, but 1073 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,600 that's, that's it. Yeah. 1074 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,680 Yeah. I mean, there's, there's a lot, 1075 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,720 there's a lot more you can get into, quite honestly. 1076 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,760 We have that there's, yeah, there's a number of things that, 1077 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,160 you know, the Catholic Church would say about her in terms of 1078 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,280 like who she was or why we should use her as a mediator. 1079 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,920 But I think you will be not, you will be more than hard pressed 1080 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,920 to find any biblical backing for for some of the claims that 1081 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,680 they're making. Yeah, and we have that classic 1082 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,360 theology.org article, LinkedIn. The show notes that. 1083 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,480 Well, if you want to dig into that some more for your own 1084 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,960 knowledge, that's where we're going to wrap episode for today, 1085 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,680 though we might, I don't want to promise, but I did want to get a 1086 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,280 couple more questions. So we might drop like a little 1087 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,640 mini episode because I think it relates pretty well to current 1088 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,440 events, but that don't have to be later in the week. 1089 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,600 Maybe a little surprise. So I surprised both of you by 1090 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,760 saying. That you really did it'll. 1091 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,360 Be a surprise for everyone else too. 1092 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:38,400 So thanks for hanging with us. Reminder, if you haven't jumped 1093 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,960 in on the 90 days in the New Testament plan, go to the Bible 1094 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,160 app, find us as a church near you. 1095 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,240 And we're working through the New Testament in the months of 1096 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,160 September, October and November. It's going to lead us right up 1097 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,080 to our Advent series. So you can jump in on that and 1098 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,760 you can still catch up. We're just working through the 1099 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,480 book of Luke right now. And the plan is kind of cool. 1100 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,920 I like that it doesn't go, it doesn't go like Matthew, 1101 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,200 Revelation, it, it starts in Luke and does Acts and Romans 1102 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,080 and then we jump back to Matthew and then we jump to some letters 1103 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,760 of some of Paul's letters and things like that. 1104 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,520 So it's not not that the New Testament is laid out 1105 01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,840 chronologically anyway. It's not even if you read 1106 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,840 straight through it. But it also doesn't follow the 1107 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,600 regular reading. So you get a little variety. 1108 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,240 You don't get all four gospels right in a row. 1109 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,680 I think it's laid out pretty well and it's only about 3 1110 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,560 chapters a day. It's like 20 minutes worth of 1111 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,120 worth. Of reading or so, and if you 1112 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,440 just hit the play button on the Bible app, you can just listen 1113 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,160 to it. It's great. 1114 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,600 That's how I do it honestly. Perfect. 1115 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,000 All right, thanks for hanging with us, y'all. 1116 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:39,800 Have a blessed week.