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Happy Monday, we're back in with
the ERC Leftovers podcast. 

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I'm Pastor Matt. 
Pastor Chris. 

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That was a weird voice. 
And I always say it like that. 

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I'm PS to Chris. 
Yikes. 

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Yeah, gorgeous. 
Right out of the gate. 

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Right out of the gate. 
You were not. 

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Let me just let me just be a 
weirdo out of the gate. 

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Is it because you didn't have a 
microphone yesterday and I'm. 

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Like, you know, I got to get it 
out, You know, I. 

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Have a microphone? 
I, I think, I think having some 

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type of, you know, microphone in
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about me and I don't know why. 
I wonder if that's true for 

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everybody. 
Like, you know, you'd be talking

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to somebody, but if you put a 
microphone in their hand, all of

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a sudden, like there's a 
different part of their 

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personality that activates. 
I wonder. 

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Now I'm really curious. 
About that, yeah, I'm sure. 

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I'm sure it brings out brevity 
in some and probably like 

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nervousness in others like. 
Or. 

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Just kind of clam up, give them 
a microphone. 

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Or you just become like you lose
like 30 points on your IQ like I

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just did like asked to Chris. 
And I just, I just get weird. 

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That's fun, OK. 
Oh, boy. 

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All right. 
Yeah. 

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So it's a good weekend, a fun 
weekend. 

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You missed the for the 1:00 we 
we showed for the one, the 

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Brandon Lake Phil Wickham 
documentary on Friday night. 

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That was about 50 people here on
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Thanks for coming out to that. 
Those of you that did cool 

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behind the scenes stuff. 
I mean, it was a lot of there 

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were a couple full songs from 
the tour that they just had the 

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produced video version of crowd 
version of that was cool. 

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But a lot of behind the scenes 
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their thought processes and just
kind of on tour things. 

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It was, it was cool. 
I yeah. 

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Still a fan of those guys and 
the work that they're doing for 

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the Kingdom of God and really 
the global church. 

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It's interesting to hear them 
talk about you, don't you? 

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They don't set out to, and this 
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goal wasn't to write songs that 
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over the world. 
That's not that's not what it 

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is. 
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works, 'cause really they 
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this is worship, this is life. 
They're writing songs praising 

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Jesus like is is what it is. 
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predisposed to the two of them 
in a lot in a lot of the songs 

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we do for worship on Sundays. 
Not saying that other bands or 

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artists aren't doing as good a 
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purity in just the simplicity. 
There's not there's not fluff, 

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there's not cheesiness really. 
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straightforward relationship and
illustration of relationship and

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response in worship. 
Certainly there's other bands 

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and artists that bring that out 
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Brandon are just, they make it 
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because of a life lived out like
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This just really is the 
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into songs. 
So that's why there's so much of

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our Sunday morning worship is 
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And certainly other bands that 
we do too. 

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But yeah, it was just affirming 
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choices of songs that we do 
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We do want the songs to be 
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in real relationship and things 
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relation to what Jesus has done.
And it was. 

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It was cool to see the behind 
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songwriting process too. 
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Well, and along with, you know 
how you know that kind of dives 

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a little bit into the topic of 
how are songs chosen here or at 

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any given church. 
But I know one of the filters 

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that you use in particular is, 
is this about praising God or is

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this a song about me? 
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Christian artists who make songs
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life and my evolution as a 
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say that. 
But like, especially on a Sunday

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morning in particular, we are 
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necessarily talk about our 
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And our process as Christians is
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through good and bad seasons and
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And so like God is writing our 
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But like on a Sunday morning, 
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worship him, not to necessarily 
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in such a clear way. 
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of that. 
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what I'm doing and you know, 
then it may, it may be a good 

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song and maybe even be a good 
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be appropriate for Sunday 
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. 
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that I use. 
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song is seemingly about me, 
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I mean there, there still needs 
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sung to God. 
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going to do. 
We're not going to sing songs 

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that are sung to us necessary or
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about us, but not sung to us. 
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heretical. 
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terrible song or anything, but 
maybe I've brought it up before.

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But bless God from from Hillsong
Brooke Liggert Wood, most 

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recently the the chorus is come 
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Lord with me. 
Sing if you know his name, like 

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all the word, the subject of all
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to the people. 
Yes, she's singing to the people

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about God, but almost at no 
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third line of the bridge of that
song till God is the one that 

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you're then singing to. 
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everything in it is is true, is 
pure, is Christian Y in a 

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gathered Sunday morning worship 
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I've grown to understand leading
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context on Sunday mornings isn't
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directed at us. 
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morning is directed at us. 
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even the preaching of God's 
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There's there's nothing that you
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God's up in heaven like, Oh, 
Chris, that was a really good 

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point, man. 
I've never looked at it that 

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way. 
Never thought about himself. 

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Like that's it. 
It sure the preaching and 

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proclamation and teaching of 
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but it's not for him. 
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that's extolling him is our 
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So I feel very strongly about 
not shirking that opportunity 

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and and squandering it on 
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That being said, now you've 
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Now I'm on a now. 
Now I'm on a roll. 

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The song gratitude, Brandon Lake
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regularly. 
That's a very me song. 

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That's that's a very all my 
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I've got nothing new, so I throw
up my hands and praise you again

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and again. 
All that I all that I have is a 

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Hallelujah, Hallelujah. 
I know it's not much, but I have

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nothing else fit for a king 
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Heart filled with Hallelujah, 
Hallelujah. 

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Still very. 
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nuanced and weird. 
I'm comfortable with that song 

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because I think there's the 
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that is like universally 
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that that's where it gets into 
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For the songs that are 
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I think there's a lot of them 
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Like they they are a personal 
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a personal revelation that maybe
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Christians. 
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that 80% of the room is just 
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And so that might seem really 
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think that's the danger in the 
me my I songs sometimes. 

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I mean, they're written by 
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Again, if these artists are 
writing them, not that they're 

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sung in thousands of churches, 
they're writing them because 

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it's about them. 
It's it's, it's their 

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experience, it's their prayer or
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They didn't write them to be 
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everyone. 
So then if we're singing a song 

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about me that's only relatable 
by me, then then we've just like

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missed gathered corporate 
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Well, and actually on that song 
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you were kind of talking through
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interesting because like I, I, I
hear a song like that in, you 

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know, Sunday worship service 
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And the question for me here, 
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question that other people would
ask themselves is, does this 

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song lead me into worship of God
or does it lead me to think 

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about me? 
I would tell you that that song 

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in particular does lead me into 
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because as we are repeating that
Hallelujah, you know, like that 

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is me speaking to God and giving
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That's not me thinking about me 
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Even if the subject matter 
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us, you know, lifting our hands 
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him, you know, And so and so 
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it's incredibly appropriate. 
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And yeah, and again, there's I, 
I praise you, I praise you again

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and again with my arm stretched 
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Like it's still God's still the 
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Yes, it's about me. 
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God, still sung to God. 
So yeah, anyway, happy to talk 

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song theology or if you whatever
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maybe we're inconsistent in that
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open to having those 
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But that's those are kind of the
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I do get song suggestions every 
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that's not what I've grown to 
understand of a Sunday morning 

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gathered worship. 
Just too much, too much about 

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us. 
Who's doing the verbs? 

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Is God, is God, is God doing the
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subject of the of the words that
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experienced by all of us. 
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I think that's OK then to sing 
to him about. 

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And I don't know if a lot of 

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people, maybe maybe you do like 
subconsciously, like if you have

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a, like a, a theology of music, 
you know, And I think that is an

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important thing to do, 
especially since that's one of 

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the things that a community 
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together is to worship through 
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We're singing the same words. 
And, you know, so like, I do 

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think like the, the individual 
Christian should develop a sense

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of like theology around the 
music that they listen to or 

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they appreciate. 
Like that's, that's pretty 

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important. 
Even as a non music musician I 

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would say I I love music. 
But as a non musician like I I I

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most certainly have theological 
understandings and leanings and 

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opinions about music. 
Absolutely. 

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. 
And I think, I think we all 

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should. 
It's it's I mean, we use songs 

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for just about as long on Sunday
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preached. 
So they should they should be 

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filled with the word of God. 
Is really. 

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Is really what it is, so 
perfect. 

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All right, So that was OK. 
Unplanned discussion on a little

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worship theology here. 
I had an icebreaker question. 

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Where did that? 
Oh, it's right there to your 

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right, Sir. 
Oh. 

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It's behind my coffin mug. 
I can't see it. 

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the next few weeks. 

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I think we've had questions 
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questions, but just to give you 
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submitted and this week we're 
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anything question. 
It's when praying, do you use 

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Lord God or Jesus? 
I haven't noticed. 

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Do do you have a regular fixed 
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every time you enter into 
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I I can't pinpoint that for you,
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OK, so I would say, you know, I 
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inform what I do as much as 
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And so not that I'm perfect at. 
That. 

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But yeah, very Pastor. 
Yeah, I'm just just nailing that

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one down right away, Pastor 
Chris. 

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So. 
Come on man, right? 

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I know, I know, I know well, 
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into a serious tone and then I 
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So anyway, going back to that, 
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Bible inform how I'm speaking to
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back to the Lord's Prayer, and 
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spaces, which is Jesus leads 
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know, and so like, even if the 
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that they're probably, they're 
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Father who art in heaven, hail 
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would we use the plural hour if 
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exist outside of the Christian 
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So I'm going to leave that alone
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anytime we are in a gathering, 
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a Sunday, you're probably going 
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whatever, whatever else we pray.
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and they just jumped into the 
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So it did give a but, but in 
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So if I'm, if I'm in a corporate
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say our Father and then, you 
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him as a community in my 
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I don't, I, I can tell you that 
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but not every time. 
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address God with any of those 
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himself, and I think those are 
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corporate worship, I think we 
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community. 
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So the the plurality of that is 
even what I'm hearing you say is

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that the plurality of that is 
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the title that you're addressing
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I my dad always had a set every 
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My my my I'm a pastor's kid. 
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time I was 13 till still is past
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Anytime I've ever heard him in a
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Wedding, funeral, church service
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table too. 
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meals with our family or meals 
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He always fell into the habit of
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that's just how he started every
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every single time I don't say 
our father, I will say Father 

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God in addressing God. 
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conscious though than maybe is 
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I say Father, God, Lord, Jesus, 
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address all three of of the 
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seminary to worship school to 
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here. 
It's not just like a safety 

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thing to cover all my bases. 
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that that most accurately, I 
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person of God that is closest to
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sense. 
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semantics of that, like all 
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omnipresent and and all knowing.
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I don't think, like if we say 
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ears are suddenly covered and 
they're like, I'm not listening.

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I'm not listening like this. 
I don't. 

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Know this is private just 
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I I don't think it works that 
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that also wants to intentionally
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And of course, I where it would 
get weird if you if you prayed 

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our Father, we thank you for 
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Maybe not like heretical. 
You should turn in your 

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Christian card, but that's just 
that's just not accurate. 

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The are but the Father did not 
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We we shouldn't shouldn't pray 
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So I think I think there are 
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only for each of them. 
If if, if that makes sense. 

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Can we pray for Father God to 
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to heal someone to work healing?
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Can we pray Holy Spirit would 
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broadly? 
I think all three of those do 

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that. 
But the Holy Spirit didn't die 

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on the cross. 
God didn't die on the the Father

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God didn't die on the cross. 
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three. 
I guess is my default if I. 

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If I'm more broadly just start a
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Father, I think I say Father God
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father aspect is more forward on
on the addressing for me. 

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If it is, if I am just praying 
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like if I ask Lord Jesus, it's, 
it's often in reference to what 

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he has done, like the the works 
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recorded in the gospels or his 
his works, his miracles done his

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his death on the cross. 
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addressed. 
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guess pigeonhole those 3 roles 
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minimize our addressing an 
acknowledgement of the Holy 

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Spirit as well, just generally 
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Kingdom. 
I feel like the Holy Spirit 

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often gets the short end of the 
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want to neglect that. 
I think it is important to 

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acknowledge the person of the 
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Oh, absolutely, yeah. 
I, I thank you for saying that. 

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I thought, I think you bring out
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never specifically thought about
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For example, like you'll, you 
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with our congregation on the 
Sunday and I will thank God the 

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Father for giving his Son. 
So, you know, I'm addressing God

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the Father pretty directly and 
you know, for that goodness and 

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mercy to be able to give up his 
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And so I do think like in that 
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about the role of God the Father
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versus the role of the Holy 
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And I don't think that's a bad 
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the other because the Trinity is
perfectly unified in in its work

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in our lives. 
And so, yeah, I that's that's 

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actually, that's a fantastic way
to think through that. 

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Thank you. 
Yeah, I think I've been doing 

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that without thinking about why 
I do that. 

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But you bring up an excellent 
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Yeah. 
And that's thank you. 

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You maybe don't have to be that 
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through in my very logical 
thought out mind. 

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So. 
And I and I will say. 

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Rarely I feel like do I say 
Lord? 

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Just getting back to the 
question, do you use Lord God or

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Jesus? 
I guess I'd say Lord Jesus. 

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I'd say Father God, Lord Jesus, 
Holy Spirit. 

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I don't think I'd ever use I, I 
don't know that I have used the 

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Lord God. 
I think you could, yeah. 

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I don't think I have. 
Well, and actually we're going 

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to, as we come into the Moses 
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going to get into some names 
because, you know, and this will

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come out more so. 
But like when you see capital L,

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capital Ord, that's like God's 
specific name he gave to Moses 

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to tell the people, this is 
who's sending you. 

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That's who I am. 
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you know, And so that's what 
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And so, but you know, to 
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maybe maybe if you were to write
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capital L and then lowercase Ord
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And I still think that's, I 
still think that's absolutely 

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appropriate because we do see 
him named that way in Scripture.

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So that's appropriate. 
Yep, yes, a title. 

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Yeah, kind of got that. 
That like Lord God, that would 

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be like God of Gods. 
Would. 

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Kind of be what that you are 
exactly of all things, all gods.

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So yeah, they also think that's 
appropriate. 

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And actually just real quick, 
I'm looking at this poster on 

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your wall. 
It's if you've never been Pastor

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Matt's office, he's got this 
poster on the wall and big print

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and says, and he shall be 
called. 

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And then there's all these names
that, you know, we can, we can 

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honestly and respectfully 
acknowledge these are names of 

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the Lord, whether it's the, the 
image of the invisible God, the,

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you know, all these things that 
are on that poster, they're all 

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true. 
And actually, funny thing I got 

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to bring this up. 
I read about this guy who 

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preached A sermon and the whole 
sermon was just naming the names

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of God. 
He did nothing. 

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But. 
Name the names of God for 22 

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minutes and then he walked off 
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He just, he just in a list, just
boom, boom down the line and and

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then he walked off and people 
were like blown away because I 

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and I and I think you're blown 
away by a that's a, that's an 

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pretty, that's a remarkable 
thing to do for a sermon. 

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You're just going to name who 
God is for 22 minutes straight. 

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You're going to give all of his 
titles that he's given in 

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scripture and then he just walk 
off and you're like, this is who

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he is. 
He is all of these things and so

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I think you know, we can 
appropriately is the Bible. 

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If if God says this is who how 
you can acknowledge me through 

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his word, then we have 
absolutely every right to 

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acknowledge him in those ways in
our prayers. 

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So I don't even think you need 
to limit it to those three 

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things that the question worked 
around. 

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Sure, yes, all all appropriate 
and but that's it's not a, it's 

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not. 
That's not the only list. 

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Those aren't the only titles 
that we can use either. 

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Yeah. 
So for example, if I, if I am 

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going to give a prayer of praise
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Lord, I just I just want to 
praise you as my sustainer 

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capital S, you are my sustainer.
You are the giver of all good 

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gifts. 
You are, you know, and just and 

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just name those things right 
back to him, which is 

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appropriate. 
Like part of our prayer, and we 

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talked about this in Bible study
yesterday, actually part of our 

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prayer should absolutely just be
thanking him and naming who he 

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is to us. 
That is an important part of the

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prayer. 
And so, yeah, if the name that I

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I need to most appropriately 
uses my God and my sustainer 

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capital S, yeah, absolutely. 
That's perfectly valid. 

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And I think it's reverent and 
respectful. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, I love that. 

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And also good to know. 
Like if you if you call in last 

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minute or sick this weekend, 22 
minutes, if I just state all the

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names, we've got sermons, 
sermons done. 

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Oh. 
Man, if you can get that list, 

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you know, good for you, good for
you. 

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Good to know that that's a 
that's a fall back option. 

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That, that would be incredible. 
I would, I would absolutely 

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listen to that. 
I wonder if he I wonder how he 

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did it. 
Did he just like let did he let 

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everyone sit? 
Was he just like Lamb of God, 

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resurrection and the life like 
just like 3 seconds right? 

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And he just. 
I assume that there was some 

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kind of dramatic sense to that. 
I need to go back and find where

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I read that at, but I thought 
that was terribly interesting. 

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It is, it really is all right. 
We are continuing on Acts 26 is 

449
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,600
where I was, what I was 
preaching on yesterday. 

450
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,040
We only have a couple more weeks
left in Acts. 

451
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,560
We're coming to the end and I 
focused on a really narrow 

452
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,720
sliver of this chapter and it's 
something that we've already 

453
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,120
covered. 
As we were talking about, this 

454
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,400
is the third account of Paul's 
conversion really. 

455
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,000
But there are there are 
different details and I think 

456
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,720
deeper details that come out 
with each. 

457
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,320
Obviously, the first time was 
when he actually experienced it.

458
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,600
The second time recorded is him 
relaying it to members of the 

459
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,320
early church to kind of affirm 
his place in the early church. 

460
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:12,160
And now he's using it as, as a 
bit of a witnessing tool before 

461
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,800
King Agrippa. 
And I said it yesterday in the 

462
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,560
sermon, but I'll, I'll revisit 
it here on the podcast. 

463
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,920
This was a hostile environment. 
Paul was before Agrippa. 

464
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,920
His great grandfather was Herod 
at the time Jesus was born and 

465
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,640
tried to eradicate all the baby 
boys two years and younger. 

466
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,960
Around the time that Jesus was 
born, Agrippa's grandfather had 

467
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,680
John the Baptist beheaded and 
Agrippa's father martyred the 

468
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,600
first apostle James. 
He was the first one of the 12 

469
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,240
disciples, obviously Judas. 
Judas died after betraying 

470
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Jesus, but like the first one 
who was martyred, who was killed

471
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:59,160
on for the sake of Christ, that 
was done by Agrippa's father. 

472
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:05,120
So this particular power, this 
particular reign and authority, 

473
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,280
this throne had not ever since 
literally the dawn of 

474
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,360
Christianity, the mirth of 
Christ had never been favorable 

475
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,840
towards the Christian Church. 
And this is the context that 

476
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Paul steps into. 
Literally given verse 1 of 

477
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,720
chapter 26, you are permitted to
speak for yourself, says Agrippa

478
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,040
to Paul. 
He's on the spot defending 

479
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,520
himself. 
No, lawyer doesn't have 

480
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,880
representation. 
He is his defense attorney in in

481
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,240
this case where Festus and 
Felix, the the ones again, we're

482
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,000
kind of working up the Court of 
Appeals, Agrippa's Agrippa's 

483
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,240
pretty much it like this is it. 
Something needs to happen. 

484
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,880
And Felix and Festus have 
already admitted like there's 

485
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,040
not, there's not really anything
we can hold this guy for. 

486
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Like he hasn't, he hasn't done 
anything wrong. 

487
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,120
We're just, we're trying to make
him crack, basically. 

488
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,800
Yeah, which is a crazy thing to 
do and illegal even in their 

489
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,840
day, but somehow they're doing 
it. 

490
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,680
They were trying to mask it like
we have all this nuance from 

491
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,240
Luke as to how they were trying 
to skirt around because the 

492
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,680
people aren't going to be 
submissive. 

493
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,440
They're not going to follow an 
authority that's openly corrupt,

494
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160
obviously, obviously it was 
corrupt, but they tried to cover

495
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,800
it up as well as they as well as
they could so that the public 

496
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,880
wouldn't really know about it or
or uprise themself. 

497
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,840
So I love. 
I didn't, I didn't talk about it

498
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,200
yesterday. 
Paul's response here, the first 

499
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:36,000
words he says. 
I think myself, I find myself 

500
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,880
happy, King Agrippa, because 
today I shall answer for myself 

501
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,560
before you concerning all the 
things of which I am accused by 

502
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,920
the Jews, especially because you
are an expert in all customs and

503
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,760
questions which have to do with 
the Jews. 

504
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,080
Therefore, I beg you to hear me 
patiently. 

505
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,880
I find myself happy to be here 
before you today. 

506
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,560
That's wild. 
Yeah, but I actually think it's 

507
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,880
it's here's the thing. 
We saw Felix a couple weeks ago 

508
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640
and we saw we saw the attorney 
for the Jewish people, the 

509
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,400
prosecuting attorney for the 
Jewish people. 

510
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,200
We saw him just try and butter 
up Felix and it was transparent 

511
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,840
and it was ridiculous and rather
silly in my estimation. 

512
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,960
But I don't think Paul is being 
sarcastic or trying to butter 

513
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,880
this guy up. 
He honestly means that he is 

514
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,320
excited for the opportunity to 
bear witness about Jesus Christ 

515
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,200
through his personal testimony 
to somebody who he knows 

516
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,320
desperately, desperately needs 
the gospel. 

517
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Not only that, but I mean, think
about it like it is. 

518
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,680
It is one thing to talk to your 
neighbor about Jesus, and that's

519
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,680
important. 
Of course it is like that's 

520
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,680
somebody's soul, that's 
somebody's eternity. 

521
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,280
That's important. 
But what if you could talk to a 

522
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,280
king or a president or whatever 
who does not believe in the 

523
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,400
Gospel and you know you have an 
opportunity not only to help 

524
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,600
that individual person meet 
Jesus Christ, but think of the 

525
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,400
influence that they have in all 
of society. 

526
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Paul has seen the bigger 
picture. 

527
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,280
And so he is. 
He is absolutely happy, excited,

528
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,320
fortunate. 
Might be a translation. 

529
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,160
Word, too, yeah, is fortunate, 
but literally, that's awesome. 

530
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,560
Macarios, the Greek word here 
can even happy is where it's 

531
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,960
mostly translated, but it can 
also mean blessed. 

532
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,800
I I find but like this, this is 
over the top. 

533
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000
But you're exactly right. 
It's this opportunity that is 

534
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,600
before him, not only for 
Agrippa's singular soul. 

535
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Remember like leave, leave the 
99 for the one like Paul's 

536
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,760
definitely living that out, but 
the trickle down, the ripple 

537
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,080
effect from maybe this one. 
This is a big one. 

538
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,400
If if this domino falls there, 
there's a lot of subsequent 

539
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,480
dominoes that are that are gonna
step in line. 

540
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,960
So in that way, you're right, 
he's seen the big picture. 

541
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,480
This is fulfillment. 
Sorry, fulfillment. 

542
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,160
That. 
Was really hard to get out. 

543
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Good job. 
That was so. 

544
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:17,640
Oh no. 
This is a fulfillment of Acts 9 

545
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Jesus commissioning telling Paul
he will be tasks X-915-GO for 

546
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,960
he's a chosen vessel of mine to 
bear my name before Gentiles 

547
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,960
kings and the children of Israel
kind of a twofold. 

548
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:38,720
He is before the king and and 
possibly by his influence of the

549
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,560
king with the King's influence, 
then have that impact on the 

550
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,520
peoples and and and would 
nations be changed for and with 

551
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,800
the gospel. 
That's that's pretty cool. 

552
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,280
So that's the blessed 
opportunity. 

553
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,720
It sounds weird in the moment. 
I find myself happy before you, 

554
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600
but that's you're right. 
He's seeing the whole big 

555
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560
picture. 
Good for him and, you know, 

556
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,360
ultimately good for Christianity
if you can, yeah, if you can 

557
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,480
have an opportunity to share the
gospel with somebody who has 

558
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,239
like a pretty broad network of 
of maybe unbelievers. 

559
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,920
What a gift. 
I mean, you know, so for 

560
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,800
example, if a person were to, Oh
my gosh, who's the Bill Maher? 

561
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,040
Bill Maher. 
That's a person. 

562
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,400
The the late night talk show 
guy, I don't know, just staunch 

563
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,320
atheist and he's, he's 
interviewed Christians and stuff

564
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,800
before. 
And I have little doubt that 

565
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,960
every Christian who goes on to 
his show absolutely feels like, 

566
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,239
you know what, I've got the 
gospel and I'm going to give it 

567
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,239
to this guy. 
And if I can give it to him, all

568
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,679
of the very kind of atheistic 
liberal people who listen to him

569
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,719
and who follow his every word, 
I've got a chance with all of 

570
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,760
them too. 
And I don't need to talk to all 

571
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,920
of them individually. 
I, if I can affect him, if the 

572
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,400
Holy Spirit can affect him in 
this moment with the gospel. 

573
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,720
Think about it, too, Joe Rogan, 
who has maybe one of the biggest

574
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,800
podcasts in on the planet. 
He's had a lot of different, you

575
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,680
know, theologians and Christians
on his show who openly speak 

576
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,240
about the gospel. 
What an incredible opportunity 

577
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:23,880
for the gospel when you get to 
talk to somebody who has that 

578
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,240
level of pull and influence in 
society. 

579
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,240
And so, yeah, I think, you know,
when we see moments of like, you

580
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,440
know, man, this is going to go 
bigger than just this 

581
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,080
conversation with this one 
person. 

582
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,480
It has that potential, 
absolutely. 

583
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,280
We need to, we need to then bear
the truth of about Jesus Christ.

584
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,440
Yeah. 
And that's that's a good modern 

585
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,400
day example. 
You're right. 

586
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,280
It is. 
It is Bill Maher, I believe is 

587
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,840
who you're who you're 
referencing, but. 

588
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040
Staunch atheist. 
Yeah, to have to have his 

589
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,440
influence or his perspective 
changed would reach, yeah, a a 

590
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,200
notable audience of, of 
unreached people too, Yeah. 

591
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,760
So Paul continues verses 6 
through 8 here now I stand and 

592
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,720
I'm judged for the hope of the 
promise made by God to our 

593
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,440
fathers. 
OK, just like what we were 

594
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,880
talking about before. 
He's he's pluralizing this. 

595
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,360
This is God made this promise. 
And of course, Gripa, you're you

596
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,120
are familiar with the Jewish 
customs with the Old Testament 

597
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,400
scriptures. 
All I'm saying I'm I'm I'm 

598
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,120
promoting the Old Testament 
scriptures and I'm I'm finding 

599
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,480
them fulfilled. 
These are no longer just old 

600
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,040
dusty historical prophecies. 
I'm I'm claiming them done and 

601
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,400
then that it's happened and 
they're coming against me for 

602
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,920
it. 
So tell me where I'm in the 

603
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,120
wrong. 
He why should it be thought 

604
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,240
incredible by you that God 
raises the dead verse 8 that 

605
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,880
this you know of these 
scriptures in which it was told 

606
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,920
so and you're and you're 
supporting these old scriptures.

607
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,840
I'm just telling you that it's 
happened now. 

608
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,160
What's the problem? 
It is really his honest. 

609
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,240
I think I don't think he's 
mocking him. 

610
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,600
I think he's honest like 
logically make it make sense for

611
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,960
me. 
What's the problem? 

612
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,320
Yeah, and I and I love that that
Paul does that. 

613
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Like, don't, don't we all need 
to do that? 

614
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,160
Like, hey, here's this, here's 
this issue. 

615
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,440
Theologically or philosophically
in your life? 

616
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,800
It's not that I'm so smart that 
I have, I've created the answer.

617
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,800
No, the answer has come forth 
and is obvious in the world. 

618
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,600
How can you not make that 
connection? 

619
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,040
And I, and I think that's so 
cool that he has the opportunity

620
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,280
to do that. 
I love that. 

621
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,600
And it's just, it's very, it's 
very rational. 

622
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,800
It is, are you going to end? 
And at times faith can be 

623
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,360
rational. 
It doesn't need to. 

624
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Be. 
It ought to be. 

625
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:00,240
It ought to be there's Yeah, I, 
I it ought to be. 

626
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,320
It doesn't have to. 
We don't have to go to a point 

627
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,280
where everything has to be able 
to be rationalized and be 

628
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,560
explained as as I guess my 1 
caution in that arena. 

629
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,720
But it's you're right. 
We're not just Willy nilly. 

630
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,720
Yeah, throwing my faith at that.
I got I got faith in that to 

631
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,680
happen. 
There's it should be a thought 

632
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,480
out process. 
And I think the reason why I I 

633
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,960
lean towards that rationality 
side of things is because I was 

634
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,880
an adult when I came to Christ. 
And so as somebody who came as 

635
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,880
like a child, Chris. 
Yeah. 

636
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,560
Well, yeah, sure. 
Yeah, that's true. 

637
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,920
But as somebody who came to 
faith in in a kind of an adult 

638
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,080
rational context, like this 
needed to be historically 

639
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,520
accurate for me. 
This needed to make sense in a 

640
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:54,360
intellectual way. 
It and yes, after I would tell 

641
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,000
you that like that faith, like a
child that you just brought up, 

642
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,280
like that's real. 
But like there were some hurdles

643
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,360
that had to be jumped even prior
to that for me to actually, I 

644
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,880
would, I use this word loosely, 
I don't actually mean it, but 

645
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,800
actually to regress into a more 
childlike faith. 

646
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,760
Like it's almost like Picasso. 
This is a great example. 

647
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,920
Picasso said he's. 
Coming out OK. 

648
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,840
No, I don't get to bring this up
enough, but Picasso said he 

649
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,200
spent his his entire adult life 
trying to learn how to do art 

650
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,880
like a child, because art like a
child. 

651
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,040
It's pure and it's simple. 
And yeah, maybe it doesn't look 

652
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,720
like Michelangelo's stuff for 
Leonardo's stuff, but it's just 

653
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,560
done of love for the thing 
itself. 

654
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,360
And it doesn't have these crazy 
expectations of, oh, you got to 

655
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,200
prove this and this and this and
this, and you got to prove you 

656
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,320
can do this and you're good at 
this. 

657
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,480
No, like he spent his whole 
life, quote UN quote, regressing

658
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,920
back to a childhood form of art 
because that was the most pure 

659
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,280
version of it. 
So you're actually absolutely 

660
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,360
right, whether it's from an 
artistic standpoint or a faith 

661
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,360
standpoint. 
Like I need to regress back to 

662
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,720
childhood level faith and 
thoughts. 

663
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,080
About Jesus Christ, like I just 
look at him in awe and I just 

664
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,560
love him for who he is. 
And those bigger kind of 

665
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,680
philosophical questions like 
those have been answered and now

666
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,920
they're put away. 
And now I can be like the child 

667
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,360
who just looks at Jesus and 
says, I want to give you a hug. 

668
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,560
And, and I think that's an 
important process. 

669
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,800
Yeah, for sure, for sure. 
He goes on with the rational 

670
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,240
argument side of things versus 9
through 11. 

671
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Indeed, I myself thought I must 
do many things contrary to the 

672
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,160
name of Jesus of Nazareth. 
This I also did in Jerusalem. 

673
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,880
Many of the Saints I shut up in 
prison, having received 

674
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,240
authority from the chief 
priests. 

675
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,280
And when they were put to death,
I cast my vote against them and 

676
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,160
I punish them often in every 
synagogue and compelled them to 

677
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,120
blasphemy. 
And being exceedingly enraged 

678
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,000
against them, I persecuted them.
Even to foreign cities. 

679
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:05,840
We see shades of pain and maybe 
still guilt and regret from Paul

680
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,920
here. 
He he does allude to this in 

681
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,240
other parts of the New 
Testament, his letter First 

682
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,680
Corinthians 15/9 and and First 
Timothy 1:15. 

683
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,800
This compelling other believers 
to blasphemy to to renounce 

684
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:25,960
their faith is maybe one of the 
things that he still bears with 

685
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,280
him, that he he's left that past
life behind. 

686
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,480
But he still maybe has this pang
of regret of what he undid for 

687
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,600
others. 
That seems to be one of his most

688
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,200
painful things. 
But he's also really a very 

689
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,120
genuine experience to King 
Agrippa here too, right? 

690
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Oh, well, you know, as you're 
as, as we're reading through 

691
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,280
this, I thought of another 
potentially, it's not a silly 

692
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,000
example, but so I can't, I can't
think of a specific thing. 

693
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,640
But let's say, for example, 
you've got a youngish child, so 

694
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,760
somewhere under 10 years old and
you remember a movie that you 

695
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,600
loved as a kid and you show them
that movie and you forget that 

696
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,240
some of the jokes in that movie 
are really adult. 

697
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,560
And then like you carry this, 
like, I feel so bad. 

698
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,080
I exposed my young child to 
some, I open their eyes to 

699
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,120
something or I or I or I had 
them partake in something that 

700
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,400
was really honestly not good and
not appropriate for them. 

701
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,240
And so I mean, this is way 
bigger than that, of course, but

702
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:31,480
like, that's just what it made 
me. 

703
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,200
I think of as like, man, I 
introduced or I caused you to be

704
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,520
a part of something that you 
should have never been a part 

705
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,120
of. 
And and I can't take it back, 

706
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,880
you know, so. 
Can't undo it. 

707
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,800
I can't undo it. 
The words are out there, you 

708
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,920
know, you saw the thing or 
whatever, or I made you say this

709
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,120
thing like I can't take that 
back. 

710
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,200
And I can imagine even as like a
parent with thinking about that 

711
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,040
particular scenario, which is 
pretty real in my life, I can't 

712
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,000
take that back. 
And I feel terrible about that, 

713
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,120
you know, And so I, I think 
you're right. 

714
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,840
I think you're spot on. 
He's probably still despite 

715
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,240
knowing that Jesus has forgiven 
him, there's still maybe some 

716
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,880
underlying like I wish that had 
never happened. 

717
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,600
And I think he's, I don't know 
that he's being manipulative in 

718
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,880
it, but I think he's having a 
raw, genuine moment before 

719
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,440
Agrippa that maybe this pain is 
apparent. 

720
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,600
Like I, I did these things and I
undid the faith of those that 

721
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,520
I'm now, I'm now championing 
this faith and I wish I could 

722
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,640
undo what I did. 
Can can you, Agrippa, can you 

723
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,280
see the pain? 
Can you see the regret? 

724
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:51,280
Regret that the genuineness with
which I I I want to undo this 

725
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,920
and now I'm pleading before you 
today. 

726
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,800
This is real. 
This my pain was real over this.

727
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,880
I'm pleading before you, I don't
want you to experience this pain

728
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,120
that I forced upon others for 
not knowing who Jesus is. 

729
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,480
I, I don't, I don't know that it
has to be like that manipulative

730
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,000
of a gospel tactic, but I think 
there's just an air of 

731
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,560
genuineness and we're like this,
this is real. 

732
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,240
This matters to me and I'm 
bringing it to you. 

733
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,520
Yeah, he is. 
He is really honestly in a very 

734
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,640
legal case, he is honestly 
exposing his own heart. 

735
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,120
And that's, that's a unique 
thing to do in, in a case that, 

736
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480
you know, it's a, it's a civil 
legal case. 

737
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,680
You wouldn't necessarily do that
in a court today. 

738
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,320
You're just keeping to the 
rational facts, as it were. 

739
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,400
But he's not quite doing that 
here. 

740
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,440
The next part of this passage in
Acts 26 is what I spent the bulk

741
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,600
of sermon time on yesterday. 
You can go back in the podcast 

742
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,000
feed ERC Sundays and listen to 
that if you haven't caught it 

743
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,560
yet, but versus 12 through 18 
were where we spent most of our 

744
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,840
Sunday time. 
You can hear the the working of 

745
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,040
the gospel in those several 
verses there. 

746
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,600
But and and it's all his 
experience. 

747
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,000
He he has Paul recounts some 
more direct instruction from 

748
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,840
Jesus in his conversion and 
after that after he relays his 

749
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,200
conversion on the road to 
Damascus, we pick it up in verse

750
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,600
19 of chapter 26. 
Paul says after after his story,

751
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,800
after his testimony, after 
relaying what Jesus had 

752
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,040
commanded him laid out for him 
to do. 

753
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,720
He says therefore, King Agrippa,
I was not disobedient to the 

754
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,880
heavenly vision, but declared 
first to those in Damascus and 

755
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600
in Jerusalem throughout all the 
region of Judea and then to the 

756
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,320
Gentiles, the people that I used
to be a part of. 

757
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,520
That's, that's the subtext 
there, right? 

758
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,880
Like Paul, Paul was my own 
people that they should repent, 

759
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,480
turn to God and do works 
befitting repentance. 

760
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:00,120
He continues this logical 
argument saying, Hey, man, this 

761
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,800
isn't just me, this God, this 
Old Testament God that you're, 

762
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,880
that you're familiar with. 
He's the one who gave me this 

763
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,120
command. 
I've been obedient to this 

764
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,880
command and now they're, they're
trying to lock me up for 

765
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,840
following this command. 
So this isn't even just if 

766
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,000
you're going against me on this,
you're also you're going against

767
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,600
God Agrippa, Can you can you do 
that? 

768
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,760
Do you want this smoke? 
Like right. 

769
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,800
I mean, that's what he's saying.
Oh my gosh, Yep, Yep. 

770
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,760
I like you. 
Said it I You got it. 

771
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,960
Just not, I mean not. 
He's not even trying to excuse 

772
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,200
himself. 
He's just saying I've got God on

773
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,480
my side. 
Are you going to stand against 

774
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,640
that? 
Right, That's the question here.

775
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,240
Oh, my gosh. 
Well, and The thing is, like, 

776
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,920
does is anybody really going to 
answer that question honestly? 

777
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,120
Like, come on, There's there's 
no way you're going to be like, 

778
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,520
yeah, you know what? 
I actually think you're innocent

779
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,120
and I think you're right, but 
forget it. 

780
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,360
Let's let's just see how this 
works out for me, me challenging

781
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,240
not only you as an individual, 
but God himself. 

782
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Like, no way. 
Nobody's answering that 

783
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,400
honestly. 
No, and but and so I think I 

784
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,560
think in this instance he is 
using that tactic. 

785
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,480
He's got he's got the big stick 
on his side, right and he's 

786
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,760
saying I've got God to do you. 
Where do you line it? 

787
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520
You can you can be with us, but 
against us. 

788
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,080
This is what's staring back at 
you, right. 

789
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:36,200
So even with that, though laced 
with I went to the Gentiles that

790
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,840
they should repent, turn to God 
and do works befitting 

791
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,280
repentance. 
He again has that R language, 

792
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,800
this you language, Agrippa, 
you're you're included in this. 

793
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,520
This opportunity is here for 
you. 

794
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,320
Then he goes on to recount to 
Agrippa that the again, he's 

795
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,840
he's got this very rational 
argument on his side. 

796
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,160
He's trying to support his 
actions with rationale and 

797
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,360
reason. 
He's also pointing out the 

798
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:05,880
irrationality, the inconsistency
in those who are accusing him. 

799
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,840
Verse 21 For these reasons, the 
Jews have seized me in the 

800
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,880
temple and tried to kill me. 
Therefore, having obtained help 

801
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,320
from God, to this day I stand 
witnessing both to small and 

802
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,480
great, saying no other things 
than those which the prophets 

803
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,720
and Moses said would come. 
So he's got he's got God on his 

804
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,840
side now he's got Moses on his 
and the prophets, which these 

805
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,520
people and this king familiar 
with the Jewish customs, those 

806
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,760
were, those were the 
forefathers, right? 

807
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,960
You're not going to you might, 
you might say that Jesus is 

808
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,760
Messiah, but you're not going to
double cross Moses. 

809
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,720
You're not going to go against 
the prophets. 

810
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,000
You're not going to go into 
these things that you've been 

811
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,520
raised on from childhood, right?
He's got an absolutely 

812
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,400
deadlocked spectacular argument.
It's not. 

813
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,880
I mean, this is airtight and how
he could still be passed on or 

814
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,960
found guilty on this. 
It just screams corruption. 

815
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,560
That's all it is. 
Because this thing, again, 

816
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,520
theologically speaking, is 
airtight. 

817
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,320
There's nothing that you can do 
with this that you could be 

818
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,920
like, well, actually Paul, the 
Bible says this or no, you 

819
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,200
cannot. 
Like he is only preaching what 

820
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,240
the Bible has already said. 
Yep, Yep. 

821
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,520
So Paul, all, all the things, he
hit him. 

822
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,120
He hit him with the love of the 
gospel. 

823
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,600
He's now hit him with the the 
rationale, even leaning on the 

824
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,360
law, because that's really what 
he's talking about here. 

825
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,640
Moses and the prophets. 
OK, you guys hold to the law. 

826
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,640
I'm, I'm just, I'm talking about
the law and the guy who came to 

827
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,040
fulfill the law and the guy who 
beat the law and rose from the 

828
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,160
dead. 
But you don't want to hear any 

829
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,320
of it. 
So what do you want to hear? 

830
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,200
Help me out, Agrippa. 
Again, it's what do you want to 

831
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,880
hear all these things that 
you're you're saying we're fine 

832
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,720
to say or saying we're fine. 
I'm, I'm saying the same thing. 

833
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,720
And yet you hate me for it. 
So what am I? 

834
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,440
What am I to do standing here 
accused saying no other things 

835
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,480
than those with the prophets and
Moses would come. 

836
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,640
Why haven't you brought anyone 
else who's taught any of these 

837
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,760
old scriptures over the past XYZ
years? 

838
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,160
They all should be in the same 
spot that I am because I'm doing

839
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,840
nothing, nothing different than 
what they had. 

840
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,120
So very logical. 
He's hit him with the gospel. 

841
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:30,880
He's used logic and reason 
within his argument and then. 

842
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,640
And then and. 
Then the the what is it? 

843
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,040
The counter cross examination 
from the from the other side. 

844
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,560
That's is that how it happens in
the in the courtroom? 

845
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,080
Festus speaks up verse 24, Paul 
Paul's got 23 verses to defend 

846
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,840
himself and Festus just says, 
Paul, you are beside yourself. 

847
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840
Much learning is driving you 
mad. 

848
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,160
You're you're insane. 
That that's his argument. 

849
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:03,200
He's he's not even that's the 
only hole he can poke in Paul's 

850
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,800
reasoning. 
You're a crazy person. 

851
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,960
Try that. 
Try that to someone that you 

852
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,680
disagree with. 
See how that works. 

853
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,080
If you're if they give you a 
rational thought out reasoning, 

854
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,520
you just said not, you're nuts. 
You're crazy. 

855
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,400
Like where's that going to get 
you? 

856
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,760
That's that's a crazy thing to 
say to somebody is like, you 

857
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,600
know what, I think you're 
insane. 

858
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,880
And actually one of the things 
that this can draw us to is it 

859
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,760
can draw us to this interesting 
idea. 

860
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Don't think too hard about your 
faith 'cause he's saying that, 

861
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,280
you know, your, your great 
learning has driven you mad. 

862
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,800
So in other words, like, hey, 
don't you dare think too hard 

863
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,800
about your faith. 
Don't spend too much time with 

864
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,920
this, like, yeah, God is God and
we're people and just kind of 

865
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,440
leave it there. 
Don't go too deep with this 

866
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,520
thing 'cause otherwise you look 
crazy. 

867
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,520
And I think actually in modern 
American Christianity, there are

868
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,880
probably a, there's probably a 
large swath of people who they 

869
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,360
wouldn't come out and say that, 
but they live that way. 

870
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,200
They're like, you know what, 
God's got me. 

871
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,440
I know it's fine. 
I don't need to think a whole 

872
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,360
lot about this because if I 
think about this too much, you 

873
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,360
know, and, and here's the real 
end game for people who who 

874
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,360
check their brains at the door 
for Christianity, but quote UN 

875
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,520
quote, believe it is. 
If I think about this too much, 

876
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,600
if I dive too deep, I might 
actually find out that God has 

877
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,040
expectations for my life and how
I behave and all these things. 

878
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,960
And, and I want to have God, but
I actually don't want all of 

879
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,200
him. 
I want his benefits without his 

880
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,640
expectations. 
And I think in some ways that's 

881
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,520
where modern American 
Christianity can go sometimes. 

882
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,680
And I'm not saying that that's 
where Festus is necessarily 

883
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,120
going. 
But I am saying that if Festus 

884
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,000
is a person who believes in the 
law and the prophets, he has 

885
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,440
still absolutely checked his 
brains at the door. 

886
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,680
And Paul is just so far ahead of
him that he he can't actually 

887
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,360
speak on Paul's level. 
So he's just going to be like, 

888
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,680
yeah, man, you're nuts. 
And it's such a low level 

889
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,880
argument, like there's there's 
no substance to it. 

890
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,880
Just to say, Paul, you're 
insane. 

891
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,680
It it would get really it would 
be really easy at this point for

892
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,480
Paul to just kind of get in a 
back and forth. 

893
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:24,120
He he said she said sort of kind
of match here. 

894
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,680
He keeps his head, he says back 
in retort to Festus. 

895
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:34,080
I am not mad most noble Festus. 
I don't, I don't think waxing 

896
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,560
eloquence, just trying to 
maintain politeness, right? 

897
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,200
Because Festus certainly wasn't 
noble, but but he needed to 

898
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,600
address it in this context. 
He needed to address it in such 

899
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,800
a way. 
I am not mad most noble Festus, 

900
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,280
but speak the words of truth and
reason for the king. 

901
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,920
Agrippa, before whom I also 
speak freely, knows these 

902
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,720
things. 
He knows truth. 

903
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,480
He knows reason. 
For I am convinced that none of 

904
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,920
these things escapes his 
attention. 

905
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,840
Since this thing was not done in
a corner. 

906
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Paul double s down on truth and 
reason. 

907
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,640
He believes the truth. 
He's used reason, reason and 

908
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:20,600
rationale to fuel his argument 
for truth because it was based 

909
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,840
on historical events. 
These were events and things 

910
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,360
that, as much as the powers that
be tried to sweep it under the 

911
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,560
rug and just make it go away. 
Paul saying these were not done 

912
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,880
in a corner, they were done out 
in the open. 

913
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,800
People witnessed and saw these 
things in all too recent 

914
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,720
history, right? 
So the historical foundation of 

915
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:53,520
Paul's message is true. 
It's simply unreasonable to deny

916
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:59,240
things that happened, that there
are witnesses for who Jesus was,

917
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,800
that there was a Jesus of 
Nazareth, that he did die. 

918
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,120
It must be accounted for. 
He's not. 

919
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,760
He's undoing Festus's own 
argument with more. 

920
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,440
You can't say that I'm insane 
for talking about a guy that 

921
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,280
really lived. 
In fact, Festus, you would be 

922
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,360
the insane one to say this guy 
wasn't real, right? 

923
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,240
Oh, absolutely. 
And actually, I the the response

924
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:31,960
in verse 28 is so awesome. 
And Agrippa said to Paul, in a 

925
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,760
short time, would you persuade 
me to be a Christian? 

926
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,480
You know what he's really 
saying? 

927
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,720
He's saying I can understand the
the logic and the rationality of

928
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,880
your argument. 
And if I believe in all of these

929
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,080
historical facts, the end game 
that that the only conclusion 

930
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,600
that I can come to if I believe 
your truthful, honest testimony,

931
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,800
which is rational and 
historical, is that I need to 

932
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,960
become a Christian. 
And he immediately pushes back 

933
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,960
on that. 
But that should tell you 

934
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,160
something, shouldn't it? 
It should absolutely. 

935
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,880
Oh, he really did. 
And The thing is like, I think 

936
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000
that's where rationality 
absolutely holds court inside 

937
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,320
Christianity, as it did for me. 
Because again, my own personal 

938
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,280
experience, if I can 
intellectually and rationally 

939
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,000
agree with this set of doctrine,
this his, these historical 

940
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,680
documents, all this kind of 
stuff, I am left with two 

941
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,520
options. 
I go and I say, you know what? 

942
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,480
I have to intellectually agree 
with these things. 

943
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,760
Therefore I'm a Christian and I 
believe this and I will now 

944
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,560
confess this as truth. 
I will let that alter the way 

945
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,320
I'm living my life. 
Or I have to look at the truth 

946
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,600
in the face and I have to say 
the world is flat. 

947
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,240
I mean, those are my options, 
aren't Are they not? 

948
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,600
Like I Yeah, there's that great 
little documentary I heard about

949
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,800
about the flat Earthers. 
Who literally did the 

950
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,080
experiments to prove that the 
Earth was flat and they proved 

951
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,240
themselves wrong through their 
own experiments. 

952
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,360
And still, this is Agrippa, by 
the way. 

953
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,960
Still some of them are like, 
yeah, no, no, I don't believe 

954
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,840
it. 
So like it's right in your face 

955
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,880
and you refuse? 
And that's what he you almost 

956
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,640
persuade me to become a 
Christian. 

957
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,440
And this is where if you didn't 
listen to the message, this 

958
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,840
gives it away a little bit. 
But that why I think there's 

959
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,680
such a distinction between the 
the opening the eyes and then 

960
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,280
the turning from darkness to 
light. 

961
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,200
You need eyes open to even be 
shown the light. 

962
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,920
But then you still need to 
choose the light, right? 

963
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,400
And Agrippa didn't want to be 
convinced. 

964
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,280
All of the facts, all of the 
reason, all the truth is before 

965
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,440
him. 
And he didn't want to turn from 

966
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,640
darkness to light. 
He didn't want to turn from the 

967
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,280
power of Satan to the power of 
God. 

968
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,960
He didn't want to receive 
forgiveness of sins or a place 

969
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,480
among God's people. 
He didn't want any of it. 

970
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,360
He didn't want to. 
Even with all the facts laid 

971
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,360
bare before him, he still chose 
darkness. 

972
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,880
He still chose himself over God,
Right? 

973
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,680
And I actually thought, by the 
way, huge compliment to you. 

974
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,160
I, I absolutely thought you 
brought that out wonderfully 

975
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,840
yesterday through, you know, 
various illustrations and the 

976
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,000
points you made. 
But this goes back as well. 

977
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,160
Like, man, you can have and, 
and, and this is frustrating. 

978
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,240
I've been there so many times. 
You can have all of the right 

979
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,880
answers. 
You can have the historical 

980
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,920
narrative in place. 
You can give them facts, You can

981
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,920
give them everything they need. 
And it does not necessarily mean

982
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,920
that that person will be 
converted. 

983
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,280
And I have experienced that 
before. 

984
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,000
I have. 
And this is not a bragging 

985
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,080
thing. 
It's just a research thing. 

986
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,520
I have argued people into the 
ground and they are in a corner 

987
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,000
and they still refuse. 
And I walked away from some of 

988
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,520
those conversations years ago 
going, what did I do wrong? 

989
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:12,280
Like, was I not convincing? 
Like I, I, I had them, you know,

990
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,920
and yet somehow it didn't work. 
And it is just because, like 

991
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,520
that thing of like, man, you can
lead a horse to water, but you 

992
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,520
can't make a drink. 
Right, right. 

993
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,240
It's it's. 
There and that's what I was and 

994
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,080
that's what I was saying 
yesterday in the in the go and 

995
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:31,320
tell part of it to to not 
overestimate our involvement it 

996
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,440
no, you should not bear that 
part of it Was I not convincing 

997
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,160
enough Was I not eloquent enough
Did you share did you share the 

998
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,720
gospel with him? 
Did you share what Jesus has 

999
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,880
done in your life with them? 
Don't oversell your involvement 

1000
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,920
in their conversion, but also 
don't undersell what you're 

1001
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,080
called to. 
You're still called to bring 

1002
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,120
that to them. 
Maybe it's not for you to have 

1003
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,280
brought them all the way, though
they're still working of the 

1004
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,920
Holy Spirit. 
There might be other Christians 

1005
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,040
down the line, down the road 
that you're just kind of setting

1006
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,920
up or teeing up for them. 
The conversation is is simpler 

1007
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,600
with them, or maybe it clicks 
with that person down the road. 

1008
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,920
So we're called to be faithful 
to. 

1009
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,400
That to that aspect of of 
bringing the gospel and sharing 

1010
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,560
faith, but not we, we shouldn't 
get to the point of frustration 

1011
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:26,440
of but I didn't save the life, 
so I failed. 

1012
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,160
Yeah, be really careful with 
that. 

1013
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,240
Like that's not on us. 
We don't save. 

1014
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,960
I was actually hanging out with 
some non Christian friends this 

1015
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,200
weekend and this guy who I was 
talking to, he kind of made, he 

1016
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,800
kind of made a jab at me and 
he's like, oh, what? 

1017
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,280
You're going to, you're going to
convert me now you're going to 

1018
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,560
save me, Chris. 
And I said, and I looked right 

1019
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,680
at him and I said, I don't save 
anybody. 

1020
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,720
I just introduce you to Jesus. 
And he just stopped. 

1021
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,440
Like he turned away and I could 
tell like just body language. 

1022
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,720
He was done engaging in that 
conversation and I didn't push 

1023
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,720
it because I've been there, done
that. 

1024
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,400
And again, like I know better at
this point. 

1025
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,200
I didn't used to, but but I do 
now and I just, I'm just going 

1026
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,160
to let that sit like not my job 
to save you, my job to introduce

1027
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,840
you to my savior and yours if 
you'll have him so. 

1028
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,160
That's great. 
Yeah. 

1029
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,880
Well, good on you. 
There's, there's opportunities 

1030
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,440
there, even when people are a 
little rough around the edges. 

1031
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,440
But I, I, you know, for me and, 
and I hope for anybody 

1032
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,800
listening, like, I, I hope you 
continue to feel called to do 

1033
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:43,280
that, to gently challenge and 
to, you know, you can, you can 

1034
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,200
be clever about it, You can, you
can be nice about it or 

1035
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,040
whatever. 
But like continue to gently 

1036
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,640
challenge and introduce people 
to Jesus and then leave the rest

1037
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,640
of the actual spirits movement 
to the spirit. 

1038
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,280
You know, Lord help, Lord help 
that man. 

1039
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,400
I, I, I hope that was an 
impactful moment for him. 

1040
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,280
I hope it was, it was for me and
I hope it was for him too. 

1041
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,760
And we'll just see what God does
with that. 

1042
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,720
Yeah, we reach sort of an 
impasse. 

1043
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,080
Sorry, I didn't put these in the
notes there. 

1044
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,440
There are three more versions, 
3332 and it's, it's just a 

1045
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,520
picture of the corruption, a 
picture of the system. 

1046
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,000
Again, Paul had been working up 
from, from Felix to Festus to 

1047
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,200
now Agrippa and apparently this 
whole appeals process, he was 

1048
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:33,360
going to wind up at Caesar and 
before the emperor and, and in 

1049
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,880
Rome. 
We, it's been foretold 

1050
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,280
throughout acts that he was 
going to have the opportunity to

1051
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,880
go to Rome. 
So he had already appealed to 

1052
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,440
Caesar. 
But you can see the corruption 

1053
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,600
versus 3332. 
Agrippa and and Bernice and 

1054
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,800
Festus are talking to themselves
afterwards. 

1055
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:54,080
And Agrippa said this man is 
doing nothing deserving of death

1056
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,720
or chains. 
He may have been set free if he 

1057
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,680
had not appealed to Caesar. 
So they're just wrapped in this 

1058
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:07,800
procedural corruption of either 
trying to get him to out himself

1059
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,800
to say something substantially 
incriminating about what he's 

1060
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,440
done wrong. 
Paul's holding the line. 

1061
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,560
He's, he's not changing the 
story and he's holding the truth

1062
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,040
of his story for what it is. 
But that's going to keep him in 

1063
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,520
captivity, in captivity. 
That's going to keep him in 

1064
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,600
imprisonment for the ultimate 
goal though, right? 

1065
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,160
It was God told him he was going
to use him as an instrument. 

1066
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,520
Jesus told him it would be 
before kings. 

1067
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:38,040
And now he's going on to Caesar 
on to Rome with this. 

1068
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,080
So we've got a couple more 
weeks. 

1069
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,440
We'll, we'll see kind of the end
of the account here in Acts. 

1070
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,800
You're up next week. 
And then I. 

1071
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,680
Close this out at the end of 
August through this series and 

1072
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,760
acts. 
So thanks for hanging with us on

1073
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,280
a Monday hearing a little bit 
more about follow up to the 

1074
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,680
sermon from this week. 
Acts chapter 26 reminder we've 

1075
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,720
got the ask me anything. 
You've got one more week. 

1076
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,080
We'll we'll kind of stop taking 
questions. 

1077
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,920
You can always ask us questions.
But as we're recording the 

1078
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,800
episodes the next week, this 
round of just kind of taking 

1079
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,960
questions from everyone will 
kind of end on October 24th. 

1080
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,720
But you can always submit 
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1081
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:21,600
comment on the episode post or 
inbox the the Emmaus Rd. church 

1082
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,080
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1083
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:30,440
You can text your questions to 
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1084
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,360
All the things, all the ways. 
So appreciate you church family.

1085
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,640
Thanks for hanging with us and 
and hope you have a blessed 

1086
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:38,800
week.