1 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Happy Monday Pastor Matt, back in with you. 2 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,440 Pastor Chris is here on the ERC Leftovers podcast talking about 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,200 the sermon from this weekend. We wrapped up Moses, not an 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,920 Exodus. Deuteronomy 34 is the actual end 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,520 of the story of Moses. You wore a suit to church. 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,880 Yesterday, I mean, it happens, it happens. 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,600 It was a little, it was a little toasty. 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,880 I, I forget that wearing like a, a suit jacket and you know, 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,400 having the whole neck thing in the tie, like you get a little 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,720 toast. The neck thing. 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,760 My words, my words like I am. I am a verbal master. 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,680 I have such a large. Vocabulary and the tie though. 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,640 So like you mean the collar when you when you say neck thing is. 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,960 That is that what I'm trying? To say so, So let me let me try 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,239 that. Just before we were talking, we 16 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:08,080 were having a conversation about about the V-neck shirt that 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,360 you're wearing currently. So let's should we add a little 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,560 more like fashion verbiage too? I don't think I can take 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,600 anymore. I don't. 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,000 I don't have. Yeah, that's the fashion stuff. 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,120 I'm not great at it. You know, I actually realized 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,520 yesterday and I almost made a joke about it from on stage, but 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,000 I thought it'd be too distracting. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,280 So I actually filtered myself for once because as as I like, 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,800 put on the jacket and the white shirt and the black tie and all 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,480 that kind of stuff. I instantly thought, Oh my gosh, 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,000 I'm wearing the Men in black suit like from the movies 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,160 because they always wear the same thing and it's white shirt, 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,040 black tie, black Sport coat, whatever. 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,440 And, And, but I didn't want to make that joke from stage 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,840 because then I thought nobody else is going to hear anything I 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,000 say because they're just going to think about the movie Men in 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Black and how I'm dressed that way. 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,680 Yeah, it's all. I mean, it's also the John Wick 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,960 suit, I mean. It's oh, I suppose. 36 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,320 It's, I mean, it's just black suit you, you wore the 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,600 appropriate funeral attire. It's also a wedding attire and. 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,520 I think I would have gone with the colorful tie for a wedding. 39 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,400 But you can't like if you're if you're going to like 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,480 traditional, like cathedral wedding, like you're. 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,240 I don't know if if there would have been like a wedding in the 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,960 John Wick movies or even a wedding like Doctor Strange. 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,240 Two. He he goes to the wedding and 44 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,640 he's he's in. Yeah. 45 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,880 Black suit, white white shirt. Yeah, black tie. 46 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,440 That's true. Rips it off. 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:30,760 And the. Yeah. 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,520 And then we go off into superhero madness, right? 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Yeah, so naturally that's if you had your superhero suit on, 50 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:40,280 you'd wear the. Oh my God. 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,880 The black suit, white tie I. Don't know what my superhero 52 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,920 suit would look like or what my powers would be. 53 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:47,440 I I just, I cannot fathom what that would be. 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Theology, man, Just. What? 55 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,560 Why did I set you off for that? Come on, you. 56 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,760 Really did and you really didn't see it coming see this is you 57 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,760 have a picture of what your suit would look like that's. 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,360 Not your office. You took it down finally. 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:08,880 Well, yeah, gosh, I, I see, I understand the fact I, I was, I 60 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,040 was against it for a while during my life because somebody 61 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,560 called me, they said I was really gullible and I was like, 62 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,200 dude, I'm, I'm pretty offended. Like, how dare you. 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,160 And then I realized, Nope, that's accurate. 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,960 I just, sometimes, yeah, like I, I just, I, I either set myself 65 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,320 up for things that I should have seen coming or like, I believe 66 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,200 probably like certain people a little bit too easily. 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Like I can I, I understand people's sarcasm, but like, if 68 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,880 it's subtle enough, like I'm not, I'm not catching on. 69 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,120 So I just, you know, I've, I've experienced that in my life. 70 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,320 And I used to be angry that people would say that about me, 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,640 but now I just own it. I'm like, you know what? 72 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,400 If you're subtle, I'm not going to know if you're joking or not. 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,440 Sometimes it's just going to happen. 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,720 Did you catch the sarcasm in the text that I sent you yesterday 75 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,760 about after you told me which message you liked? 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,520 That was sarcastic. It was, it was a little bit. 77 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,920 I didn't. No, I Oh my gosh. 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,160 See, you're proving the point. I did not realize that. 79 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Like not in a mean way. I just thought it was just a 80 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,040 little razz you because now that we're at 2 services, like we, 81 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,640 the preacher has like decided like which message first or 82 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,519 second and like they're, they're both pretty close, but like just 83 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,160 which delivery felt better? That's the one that we're going 84 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,120 to put on the podcast and publish that that message. 85 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,560 And you we were we were driving home from I point yesterday. 86 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,760 So we listened to the second service live and then you 87 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,840 messaged me after the second service and said you should post 88 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:38,120 the first one. I liked it better. 89 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,760 And I just text you back. OK, sounds good. 90 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,600 We'll go back and listen to the first one then. 91 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,280 I didn't. We listened to the second one 92 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:45,720 and you were like, the first one was better. 93 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,200 So I. Just oh, Oh my gosh, I see 94 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,760 again, until this very moment when you said that, that was 95 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,160 right over my head. I, I, I didn't even, I didn't 96 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,240 even process. I was like, oh, I guess he wants 97 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,920 to hear it to make sure that I was right. 98 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,280 Like, I don't know. So like, you want to apologize 99 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:06,560 for me being gullible? Like, you know, I just do. 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,400 It to be mean either, I just thought it was funny. 101 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,480 And sometimes, sometimes people, and it has happened in my life 102 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,160 where people will from there and they're clearly joking or being 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,160 sarcastic, whatever. And I don't pick up on it. 104 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,520 And so then they feel bad that they made me feel like, you 105 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,840 know, and I'm like, oh, well, you really care about me. 106 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:26,840 I can tell. But like I just some of these 107 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:28,600 sometimes I just don't pick up on those things. 108 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,720 And I don't know why it's true though. 109 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,920 Like you can, you can get me if, if, if you really wanted to, you 110 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,880 can get me. If you're giving some level of 111 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,600 seriousness and you're being sarcastic, you can you can 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,240 usually catch me. All right, now you know. 113 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,720 Now you know. Yep, it's true. 114 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,680 All right, well, it is Thanksgiving week. 115 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,800 We're going to talk a little bit as we break into the show about 116 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,200 Thanksgiving dishes. There's I'm going to, I'm going 117 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,000 to link, maybe we'll even post on Facebook. 118 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,400 I thought there was some funny things I saw, I guess the trend 119 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:07,360 for this year posting Christian artists, if they were dishes of 120 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,400 on the Thanksgiving table there there was, there was one. 121 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,680 I won't go through all of them. I'll just start off with Brandon 122 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,160 Lake because we do a lot of Brandon Lake songs. 123 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,680 But the first one they did, Brandon Lake is the butter. 124 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,040 Let's be honest, he's on everything. 125 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,280 Potatoes, Brandon, rolls, Brandon, your life, Brandon. 126 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,240 You can't make anything without him showing up to make it richer 127 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,640 and more annoyed. So we'll, we'll post the link to 128 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,120 the right. They go through like 6 or seven 129 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,240 of them. And I think it's all pretty 130 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,920 funny and pretty accurate. But it got me thinking. 131 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,600 Just simple conversation on what's on the Thanksgiving table 132 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,520 this this week. Are you guys a ham or Turkey 133 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,120 family? You know what? 134 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,960 It ends up being Both. OK if you can compromise 135 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,360 everything. Yeah, OK, well, but. 136 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,440 But. Well. 137 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,800 And I've got stories about my son who just doesn't like 138 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,520 Thanksgiving food at all. No. 139 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,840 He will, he will go get like, you know, chicken strips from 140 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,200 Quickstar. I'm not joking. 141 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,600 You did that last year. He's like, dad, I, I really 142 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,720 don't like Thanksgiving food. You know, I don't can I go to 143 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,200 Quickstar? And I went really? 144 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,720 And he's like, yeah, man. And he brought back like an 8 145 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,320 pack of chicken strips and he ate that at Thanksgiving. 146 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,040 And I end up having one because that's who I am. 147 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,280 But you're like, you're both like you. 148 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,520 You'll eat ham and Turkey. Oh well. 149 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,560 And usually I'll put them on the same kind of fork load and. 150 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,840 I'll just. Oh. 151 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Yeah, I'm a food combiner all day. 152 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,920 I am. I am. 153 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,720 I combine all my food. So Thanksgiving is like 154 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,680 something where like, if you don't like that or, or if that 155 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,200 bothers you, please don't sit near me at Thanksgiving because 156 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,640 I'm just going to raw, you know, and, and it's, it's kind of an 157 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:54,000 ugly way to eat, I suspect, but. I am preferential towards ham 158 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,840 because I only prefer fried Turkey. 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,120 Oh yeah, baked Turkey. I'm not really interested if it 160 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,000 if like Turkey leg, baked Turkey leg. 161 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,280 You might you might get me like dark meat. 162 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,000 Well, no, it's really more about the bone. 163 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Just to feel like I'm like a Viking eating like. 164 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,480 I'm a. Man, yeah, it's really more 165 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,960 about like the actual art of being able to hold and eat the 166 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,680 Turkey leg. But in general preferred fried 167 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:26,640 Turkey and most we never fried. Well, my parents just liked ham 168 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,360 anyway. But we we mostly grew up with 169 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,960 ham and most people that I know don't like deep do do the deep 170 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,320 fried. Turkey. 171 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Have you ever tried it? I prefer deep fried Turkey. 172 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,280 Yeah, but I mean, like, have you ever done it at Thanksgiving? 173 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,320 Like me physically done it. Yeah. 174 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,440 No, I don't. I have enough chaos in my life. 175 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,039 I don't. I don't need to deal with a VAT 176 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:49,000 of burning flaming oil and and and a bird and a bird the size 177 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,960 of a small child that I'm trying to dunk into it. 178 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,440 Like I just. I have enough small children is. 179 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:56,640 That like the baptism of a Turkey, right? 180 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,280 Right. That's exactly what that is. 181 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,160 No, but also most of the time we never host Thanksgiving like. 182 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,120 We're going. With my parents or Emily's 183 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,400 parents and they're 4 hours away and I'm usually not part of the 184 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,160 Turkey cooking. So see, I guess it's mostly 185 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,640 mostly ham for US. Number one, what's your favorite 186 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,640 side dish has to be on the Thanksgiving table. 187 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,080 What you're going for besides the meat? 188 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,480 I don't think you can I don't I. Can't pick one? 189 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Well, no, I, I, I think I can because it's so essential to 190 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,360 everything on the plate. Again, as somebody who tends to 191 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,120 mix food, I, I don't eat anything by itself, not really. 192 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,400 So like, as somebody who's always mixing food, mashed 193 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,320 potatoes are the glue that holds Thanksgiving dinner together 194 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 both literally and figuratively for me. 195 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,520 And, and so I think like if, if you it's true, I'm not even 196 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,480 joking. I wish I was. 197 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,840 That's what's sticking the ham and the Turkey together. 198 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,440 Yeah, you Mashed potato in between. 199 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,080 It's like a sandwich of sorts, you know? 200 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,200 And so if you don't have mashed potatoes, I don't know what 201 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,840 you're doing with your life. I don't know. 202 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,040 Talk to me about texture. Are there are there is a little 203 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,480 little chunky or do you like the full whipped like are these is 204 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,840 it real potatoes? Are you a boxed potato person? 205 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,400 I mean, but I can go either way 'cause I'm just not 206 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,480 indiscriminate. Yeah, but everybody that I'm 207 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,200 around who actually has good taste 'cause I don't assume 208 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,120 that's me. They're they're like natural 209 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,560 potato people. Are you a box guy? 210 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:30,080 No. Oh no, absolutely not. 211 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,440 OK, I should have known. But I still want like they can 212 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,680 be over mashed. There should still be like I I 213 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:41,400 want like pea sized chunks of potatoes still like mixed in 214 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,200 there really with the master. Yeah, I want a little. 215 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,880 I need a little coarseness to the Mashed potato. 216 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,160 Do you leave the skins in? No, no, I would prefer not, no. 217 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,080 'Cause I think that gives you the. 218 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,160 I think that gives the texture I want without still having potato 219 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,400 chunks in there. No, I just want, no, no, I just 220 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,200 want the little smaller potato. I don't want like the rindy 221 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,240 skin. No. 222 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,600 OK, lots of butter. Yeah, so semi cream. 223 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,440 Do you concede then that mashed potatoes, that's like the thing 224 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,440 besides the the main course that you have to have or yeah, 'cause 225 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,680 you can. Literally, you can literally put 226 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:21,800 any, like green bean casserole. Yeah, I'm eating that with 227 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:22,760 mashed potatoes. Yeah. 228 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,960 The if the Turkey's a little dry. 229 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,960 Yeah. Just heaping mashed potatoes and 230 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,800 making a bite out of that. Absolutely. 231 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,560 Yeah. So I, I think that's, that's the 232 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,960 necessity and I'll even concede to like mash sweet potatoes. 233 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,200 I don't know if I don't know if you're. 234 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,600 Oh yeah, I don't know. Sure, I. 235 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,160 Don't know if you're a sweet potato, a regular potato person, 236 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,960 but like that's that's fine. If you're oh, do you do the 237 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,240 sweet potato casserole with like the marshmallows on? 238 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,800 It I think, well, I mean. It's not my favorite. 239 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,320 It's, but it's a it's a way to get me to eat. 240 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,200 Is is the sweet potato a vegetable technically? 241 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,880 Sure. OK, I don't. 242 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,240 I don't really know, but that's a way to get me to eat 243 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,640 vegetables is if you drowned it in sugar, like marshmallows and 244 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,640 you know, brown sugar and stuff. OK, yeah. 245 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,920 And sweet potatoes, starchy, fleshy root vegetable. 246 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Yeah, right on. I get. 247 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Yeah, I just. I don't know what I what else I 248 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,040 thought it's not like a legume or a fruit. 249 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,120 So yeah, of course the vegetable. 250 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,800 But yeah, I don't know what else I thought it would be, but you. 251 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,640 You. Question fuse me and I'm like. 252 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,280 Why wouldn't it be a vegetable, But maybe it's not a vegetable. 253 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,640 No, it's definitely a vegetable. All right, these so for for me 254 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,040 too, I think I think mashed potatoes is that. 255 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,440 I also love cranberry sauce though, and I know. 256 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,880 That sauce, cranberry sauce, or like the like stuff that looks 257 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,600 like jello and it comes out of a can and it just, it just kind of 258 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,240 wiggles. Right, my kids like that kind. 259 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:04,280 Oh OK, I prefer the non jellied cran like even if it's in a can, 260 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,440 but like that has the the sauce that has the cranberries in it 261 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,200 still it's not a solid mass like you again, texture guy. 262 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,280 I. Like I like the the pea. 263 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,880 Sized cranberry chunks in the sauce as well, because that can 264 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,600 go on Turkey, that can go on. It doesn't go great on mashed 265 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:23,200 potatoes. Actually. 266 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,520 I don't. I don't love doing that, but so 267 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,640 no, you're not. From the look on your face, 268 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,040 cranberry sauce is just like, not in your psyche at all. 269 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,040 I mean, we have cranberry salad, cranberry salad. 270 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,440 So you take actual cranberries and you put them in a blender 271 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,600 with orange peel and, and, and eventually you top it. 272 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,000 I, I believe with like walnuts and it and it's very, it's very 273 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,760 tart, but it's a little sweet and it's, it's very good. 274 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,880 My my mother-in-law makes. Awesome cranberry and onion and 275 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,160 orange. Orange peel and I think I can't 276 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,240 remember if she sometimes and sometimes I can't remember if 277 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,680 she adds it's a. Salad. 278 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,280 There's no part. What is it that is a salad? 279 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,520 I don't know what it is then if we just. 280 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,920 Trio mix. Well, but it's very liquidy, you 281 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,240 know, kind of, I mean, you know, I don't know it's. 282 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,080 What salad is liquid? That's a soup salad liquid. 283 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,960 It's not like you. It's not like liquid liquid. 284 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,440 I don't think you know what words are. 285 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,400 I don't think you eat salad. Actually, I don't. 286 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,760 I guess I don't know I I feel all sorts of out of sorts and 287 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,360 confused and I, I won't share the whole story, but I will tell 288 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:38,080 you that I have done liquid Thanksgiving I took. 289 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,760 So I don't like any of those words. 290 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,800 The the day after and again, not a lot of details here, but the 291 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,120 day after Thanksgiving, I took all the ingredients and I used 292 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,760 milk as like a liquid base and I put it all in the blender and I 293 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,800 drank it. I'm not even joking. 294 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,760 I did that. There's a video of it somewhere. 295 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,120 No, I did. That's not OK. 296 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,160 Well, I did. How old were you when you did 297 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:06,240 this? Like 5 years ago, like as a 298 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,600 grown as a grown man, I did that. 299 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,000 I feel like from now on that should be like a an application 300 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,600 question. Like at this, you're applying 301 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,280 for a job at this church. Have you ever done Liquid 302 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,120 Thanksgiving? Have you ever blended? 303 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:25,440 And that's like an automatic no. I can't say I'm super proud of 304 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,000 it, but I can say I'm super proud of how I entertained 305 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,880 teenagers because it was it was during COVID. 306 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,240 And so like, we weren't really at the church. 307 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,480 I was working out, We weren't really meeting as a youth group 308 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,080 anymore. And so like we did some funny 309 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,480 videos and I thought, you know what? 310 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,040 This video is going to be hilarious. 311 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,120 I'm going to film myself making it and then drinking it. 312 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,000 And, you know, reactions were, of course, mixed, as was my 313 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,880 food. And some people were like, I 314 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,760 wish I never saw that. And other people were like, 315 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,280 that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. 316 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,960 So, you know, it depends on so gross. 317 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,640 Depends on who you are. I don't like that at all. 318 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,080 Yeah, well, I didn't love it. It was not the greatest tasting 319 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,400 thing I've ever had. All right, what is what is your 320 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 least favorite side? What's What's the unnecessary 321 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,880 thing at the Thanksgiving table? Oh my gosh, I don't like what is 322 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,760 it? Is it called green? 323 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,040 Green bean casserole. OK. 324 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,840 That's also. My thought, it's usually made of 325 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,600 cream of mushroom and green beans and it's just you. 326 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,080 You top it with those little onion straw things and it's just 327 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,600 kind of gross, the whole thing. Both thumbs down on green bean 328 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,120 casserole. We might that might be a 329 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,600 polarizing take, but Nope, it's gross. 330 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,960 We're going to get so much green bean casserole next week. 331 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,560 If people bring, if they bring leftovers of that, first of all, 332 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,480 I'm going to knock them because, and here's my argument, there's 333 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,920 leftovers because we're not the only ones who hate it. 334 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,560 That's why there's leftovers. It's because it's gross. 335 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,600 It's true. Didn't get eaten. 336 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,120 Yeah, that's why it's gross. All right, couple more rabbit 337 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,000 fire. Best pie. 338 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,360 Pecan, pecan. Pie that didn't even OK, I 339 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,360 wasn't. I went. 340 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,520 I went pumpkin and apple before I even got to pecan. 341 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,200 But really, you're straight pumpkin. 342 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,040 No, not in sorry, not in hierarchy, but like ones that 343 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,359 crossed my mind. Oh, sure. 344 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,599 No, it's, it's just the best pie on the planet. 345 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:14,440 OK, Just for any holiday, for any event, it's just great. 346 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,160 Do you know people who don't like pie at all 'cause I have a 347 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,359 couple. People like that in my life. 348 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,040 I think I have family members that don't like pie at all. 349 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,640 So do you have alternative desserts at your Thanksgiving 350 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,079 gathering? Yes, my parents are big Costco 351 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,040 people. And there's usually this like 352 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,640 tiramisu cake, which is also very good. 353 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,120 It's just like nothing about it's Thanksgiving, but like it's 354 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,920 just very good. But usually like, I mean, apple 355 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,200 pie, pumpkin pie are are usually pretty prevalent. 356 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,600 Yeah. And then this tiramisu and 357 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,360 there's like a a black tuxedo cake. 358 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:48,800 Oh, that's also from Costco. Yeah. 359 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,120 My parents hit up the Costco bakery before most big holidays 360 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,760 so those are both good but not like nothing intrinsically 361 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,120 Thanksgiving about those things. I don't think so. 362 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Nor is there with, you know, chicken fingers from Quikstar. 363 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,040 But it always ends up at my table, so it's fine. 364 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,880 It's. Weird. 365 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,400 All right, so, so pecan. Just straight up do you? 366 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Does you or Alyssa make the pecan pie? 367 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,640 No, neither of us are pie makers. 368 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,480 OK, I I think I. Wait for mom on that. 369 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,200 Well, no, I think we they're always store bought. 370 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,800 I don't know. I don't know that maybe maybe my 371 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,560 sister-in-law makes a pie. I can't, I can't remember. 372 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,880 But now are you, let me ask you this then. 373 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,040 Are you really involved in the process of food making for 374 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,360 Thanksgiving? Because what is typically 375 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:38,400 transpired in my family is like, I don't know that there's really 376 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,120 a guy involved in any of the food making. 377 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,520 I think, I think our our women are they're fantastic. 378 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,840 They do amazing work that day to feed everybody and none of us, 379 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,200 none of the guys are really involved. 380 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,160 I have I can't really recall there might have been 1 381 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,960 Thanksgiving when Oliver was first born. 382 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:03,480 I think that we even hosted Thanksgiving. 383 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,400 And then other than that, I'm not like you can go somewhere 384 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,840 else and help prepare food while you're there, but generally we 385 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,640 don't. I I just feel like I'm not 386 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,160 innately part of the food preparation usually which. 387 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,240 Is crazy because you are so good at like you make amazing food 388 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,360 in. General I love it, but I don't 389 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:25,840 know the chaos of yeah, kids in a different place and being out 390 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,000 of sorts. Not in mine usual. 391 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,320 I don't know environs for for making the food. 392 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,840 It's just I don't know. I haven't pursued it hard 393 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,080 either. I've never like gone to my 394 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,040 parents house and been like and I'm cooking or especially I'm 395 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,160 definitely not my in laws house and been like hey. 396 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,200 I'm taking over. I'm taking over, yeah. 397 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,560 Yeah, I just haven't done that. That's fair. 398 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,560 So. Well, there we are. 399 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:56,600 All right, that's that's it. I'm sorry, I just. 400 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,720 Got. Really distracted by a text 401 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,640 message that came through my computer. 402 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,200 You were like buffering there for a second. 403 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:06,720 It was glitching. It's just stuck. 404 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:14,760 We are jumping to Deuteronomy 34 and the conclusion of this Moses 405 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,280 our deliverer series. You started the message 406 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:27,400 yesterday in full on funeral garb, did the obituary and he is 407 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,720 he is survived by part of part of everything with with Moses. 408 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,400 There's a lot of interesting things in this passage, even 409 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,720 even more so than you harped on. I love how you got to the end 410 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,040 and talked about the transfiguration and and that 411 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,640 being the fulfillment of of God's goodness, God's promises 412 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,600 to to Moses and the people of Israel. 413 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,680 Obvious parallels there between Moses climate, Moses ascending 414 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,240 and descending, Jesus ascending and descending and, and those 415 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,480 things. So we're in Deuteronomy 34. 416 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,320 What are some of the nuanced things in here that you wished 417 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,040 we could either you could either speak more about, maybe weren't 418 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,520 preachy but are just like historically worthy to know, or 419 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,960 maybe some extra things at the end that you wish you could have 420 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,120 fleshed out more. Yeah. 421 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,120 Well, I think first and foremost, one of the things that 422 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:31,240 is interesting is that when you read the text, it is not clear 423 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,160 that anyone is with Moses except God himself. 424 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,000 If you just read the text at face value, we, we have no 425 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,320 indication that anybody followed him up the mountain. 426 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,040 And even leading up to this, if you read the chapters before, 427 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,440 God pretty clearly says you're going, you're going to go up by 428 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,440 yourself. And so, you know, and this is 429 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,640 where scholars just disagree, but you can never prove an 430 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,640 angle. But it's worth kind of noting 431 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,760 where they come from, you know? So some scholars believe that 432 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,960 Joshua as Moses's right hand man was nearby, that he went up with 433 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,760 him, maybe didn't go all the way up with him, but he was nearby 434 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,880 and that he was somehow a part of the burial process. 435 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:18,000 But honestly, I disagree with that one because you know, the 436 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,240 the one of the key things that the text tells us and that we 437 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,360 understand is that nobody knows where Moses's body was laid. 438 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680 So it would then indicate if that's true. 439 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,400 And especially if Joshua is the one writing post humanistly for 440 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,320 Moses, there was no way he'd be able to say that if he was 441 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,080 there. So I think that debunks that 442 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:44,720 scholarly angle. Another angle is that there are 443 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:51,600 angels, so God being holy and glorified and other than that he 444 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,240 would not himself have moved Moses's body into a resting 445 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,680 place, but that angels of God did that while God was present. 446 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,640 And again, you can't prove that and you can't totally debunk it 447 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,600 either. So I just think it's a, it's 448 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,360 kind of an interesting thing to note or to to maybe wonder about 449 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,000 like who is actually there. Yeah, and I mean in the literal 450 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,720 reading of the text, I mean verse one, then Moses went up 451 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,840 from the plains of Moab, could have explicitly said to others, 452 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,800 if there were others with him. And and even going on later in 453 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,360 verse one, the Lord showed him all the land Gilead as far as 454 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:38,280 all Dan and as far as Dan all Naftali, the land of Ephraim and 455 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,040 Manasseh and the land of Judah as far as the western sea. 456 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,360 It seems like this is something that God is doing for Moses and 457 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,000 Moses alone, right? Like it, it'd be a little weird 458 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,840 to have all this like resplendent revelation for Moses 459 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,120 and his homies, right? Like. 460 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,480 Moses and the Gang. Might be a fun band name. 461 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,960 Yep, Yep. So yeah, I, I, I would agree 462 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,920 with, I tend to agree with you just by the reading of the text 463 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,120 and the fact that so verse 6 it it can be translated. 464 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,640 I mean, my ESV says and he buried him in the valley in the 465 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,520 land. The only other he that's present 466 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,480 here is the Lord who has shown Moses these things and he's the 467 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,760 only other he in this passage so far to verse 5 and 6. 468 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,560 It can it can also be translated because we're missing Hebrew 469 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,200 doesn't have always have all the words everywhere in in all the 470 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,680 places. Like it could also be this 471 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,040 phrase could also be taken. He he was buried in the valley. 472 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,480 Like you could just simply be that. 473 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,600 And that's a little more ambiguous. 474 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,920 We don't know who did the burying, but it's certainly not 475 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:53,720 outside of the scope of God's power to just bury Moses right, 476 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,240 whether by angels or snapping his fingers like he could. 477 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,680 He could just bury him right, Like that's not too grand or 478 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,920 beneath him. So no, I think I'm think I'm 479 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,760 with you on that. That most likely this was this 480 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,440 was an experience for him and him alone right rising up the 481 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,160 mountain and and the other part of reinforcing that I think is 482 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,960 is because it was Jesus and Jesus alone. 483 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:26,760 Yes at at the foot of the cross what was was his his mother and 484 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,320 and his brother his like his disciples there with him too 485 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,520 right. James and John were most 486 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,200 pointedly there, but I I think that would also like there there 487 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,880 wasn't anyone who went up there and did it with him, at least at 488 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,560 least for Jesus. And I think there's too many 489 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,320 other strong stark parallels in this story. 490 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,880 Like I think it just makes sense that this was this was Moses and 491 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,920 God and and that was it. Yeah. 492 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,640 And the other, the other interesting thing that happens 493 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,920 there is, you know, so Moses has this really special kind of 494 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,360 sweet moment with God in his death. 495 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,960 And quite the opposite happens with Jesus on the cross is he 496 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,280 has this terrible moment where God is just not with him at all. 497 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,800 He's turned his back on him so that he can take the judgment 498 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,160 and the punishment that all of us have earned. 499 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,560 And so I mean the, the parallels and the opposites, they're so 500 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,400 they're, they're magnificent between, you know, Moses dying 501 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,360 and Jesus's death. It's, it's pretty, it's, it's a 502 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:36,120 fantastic parallel. And so I, I think it's 503 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:41,360 interesting in some ways for, for, for Jewish people in 504 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:46,320 particular that Jesus so fulfills and he's so parallels 505 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,200 all of the Old Testament so perfectly. 506 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,960 And for some reason that's either hard to accept or hard 507 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,280 for them to to see those connections and I and that's 508 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,360 unfortunate. Yeah, because you did a really 509 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,840 good job at the end too, especially in talking about the 510 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:07,600 transfiguration, Moses. So Moses ascended to receive the 511 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:14,440 the 10 commandments came down to a people that were already 512 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,920 breaking them, right, like he he's coming down with, hey, this 513 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,520 is this is the plan. This this is it. 514 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,920 And then he quite literally breaks the law, right smashes 515 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,360 the tablets Jesus cast Philippines to casting heaven a 516 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:32,720 side coming down to a world that it's already broken the law that 517 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,040 that's that's already living in that shattered state of 518 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,640 rebellion, right. So Jesus comes down not not to 519 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040 condemn them, but to to fulfill the law, right. 520 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,560 And and in the same as a Moses goes back up to receive the law 521 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,760 again and even to offer himself to God, say spare these people 522 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,480 take me right. We talked about that a couple a 523 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,840 couple weeks ago. Jesus no, and and you, you 524 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,960 touched on that tender moment too, for for God as as the 525 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,160 father of the pleading son saying take it's it's again 526 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,440 opposite parallels almost, because Moses was saying take 527 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,400 me, spare the spare the people. Jesus has that phrase of, of if 528 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,040 it be possible, take this cup from me or he's pleading spare 529 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,200 me, right and, and you're right. So the father has this, this 530 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,360 touching intimate moment with, with Moses in his death and in 531 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,520 Jesus's death, the father turns his face away, right. 532 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,360 And and let's say they both, they both ascend Moses, of 533 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,280 course, transfiguration in in the promised land on the 534 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,560 mountain with, with the Savior. And then those and those 535 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,800 parallels there too. But Jesus ascending to the cross 536 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,280 and ultimately ascending to to the Father. 537 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,680 But man. Well, you're, you're drawing 538 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,040 that out beautifully. And there's some things you just 539 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520 said just there where I was like, oh man, I I wish I kind of 540 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,280 almost would have said it that way, but I think, yeah, how 541 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,600 you're helping draw that out. It's it's so true and it's, it's 542 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920 fantastic and it's heartbreaking at the same time, You know, even 543 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,600 thinking about, you know, that that little riff on like God 544 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,080 being unchangeable because if he changed based on his feelings, 545 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,840 we would, we would be lost. But I mean, like, that's such a 546 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,480 heartbreaking thing to think about. 547 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,000 And I, I felt that all week, to be honest, Like I was feeling 548 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,720 that all week. It was just like, gosh, I, I, I 549 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,040 understand why he doesn't change. 550 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,680 I understand why he, why he wouldn't change. 551 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,320 But like, there are certainly moments and times in my life 552 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,120 where I'm like, I don't, I don't feel like I'm worth the well 553 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,040 and, and like I'm not worth that cost, you know, And so, I mean, 554 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,960 I think that's a, a humbling reality for Christians. 555 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,320 Like if that gets in your head and your heart, you know, you'll 556 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,360 feel the sense like I'm not, I'm not worth what you went through, 557 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,760 but you're argued against by Jesus and the Father himself. 558 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,760 No, you are worth it. I do love you that much. 559 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,800 And I think for the Christian who like owns that truth, that 560 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520 is an incredibly humbling experience in it. 561 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,360 And it ought to change how we live out our faith, because it 562 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920 is so humbling that I know I'm not worth that cost. 563 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,840 But you did it anyway. And that's that that cost 564 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,960 discussion or worth. I think it's really interesting 565 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600 in verse 8, the Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains 566 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,320 of Moab for 30 days until the time of weeping and mourning was 567 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,800 over. This people is all over the 568 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,960 place, man. Like he was on the mountain for 569 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,960 40 days and he was dead. They didn't, they didn't mourn 570 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,600 him. That's what that's like. 571 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,160 Maybe they did because he was up on the mountain. 572 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,200 They didn't know he was coming back. 573 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,800 Maybe there was parts of them, but they didn't think he was 574 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,640 dead. Then they were like, we got to 575 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320 move on. We, we, we need a different God. 576 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,440 We need somebody else to lead us. 577 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,160 Give, give us this stuff. Aaron here. 578 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,640 They deeply feel the loss of Moses. 579 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,760 Like I don't. Know what is happening. 580 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,040 I think it goes back to that, that ever popular phrase, you 581 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,680 don't know what you've got until it's gone. 582 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,560 And so I mean, even though Moses has clearly anointed Joshua as 583 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,800 their next leader, militarily and otherwise, you know, they 584 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120 gosh, they were hard on him. They were, they were a 585 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760 difficult, stiff necked people to deal with. 586 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,800 And maybe maybe it wasn't really until his death that they looked 587 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,000 backwards and went, man, we could have been a lot kinder to 588 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720 that guy. He gave his he gave his life to 589 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,960 serve us, to bring us out of slavery, to do all these things 590 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,880 for us. And I don't think we ever really 591 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,640 appreciated him as much as we should have while he was still 592 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800 here. And we get that sense sometimes 593 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,720 with people, you know, like you get wrapped up in the in the 594 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,840 day-to-day things, you know, maybe you don't like the way 595 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,000 they do certain things. And so, but man, there's a level 596 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,400 of appreciation that can come, you know, in relationships with 597 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,760 people sometimes after death. And, and I wish that wasn't the 598 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,320 case because I think we would be more loving, sensitive people in 599 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,880 general if we were more willing to express those good things 600 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,240 while people are still here. But for whatever reason, a lot 601 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080 of us as humans, we have a hard time expressing that 602 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320 appreciation while people are standing right in front of us. 603 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,680 And and to continue on, I think you said that really well to 604 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,520 continue on with the irony of it all like not appreciate what 605 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,200 they've got till it's gone. Verse 9 Obviously the handoff 606 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,600 now Joshua son of nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom 607 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,960 because Moses had laid his hands on him. 608 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,280 So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had 609 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,360 commanded Moses it they they wouldn't listen to Moses saying 610 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,680 the things, but Joshua who's saying the same things that 611 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,320 Moses did. Now they're now they're ready to 612 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,000 listen. Now they're. 613 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Ready to follow Now they're going to do it. 614 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,400 And it's like, man, come on, give this guy a break. 615 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,640 Like let's let's appreciate him for who he is and what he's 616 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,600 sacrificed and what he's done and Oh my gosh, for whatever 617 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,560 reason. And that and and that's I don't, 618 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,960 I wonder if Moses felt that disappointment. 619 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,960 I mean, we talked briefly about like the disappointment he may 620 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,280 have felt not being able to cross over into land during his 621 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,160 natural life. But I mean, I wonder if there 622 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,480 was some sense of like disappointment of like, well, 623 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,920 because, OK, so like, how do, how do we create our identities? 624 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,600 I think first and foremost, we ought to create our identities 625 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,040 around who God says we are. We are his children, we're 626 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040 beloved, You know, where's his inheritance? 627 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,360 OK, if I can start with my identity there, But it is 628 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,160 inevitable that part of my, what I think about myself, my 629 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,080 identity will be how other people think about me, how they 630 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,640 treat me, how they talk about me. 631 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,560 And, and so I mean, like, I almost wonder like if Moses was 632 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,000 like, man, I, I wish they could have seen me for who I am. 633 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920 And it seems like they did not see him that way. 634 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,240 They saw him as like this guy who maybe they felt like often 635 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,000 times failed him because they, he led them in the wrong 636 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,560 direction, you know, geographically or whatever. 637 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,880 And, and I just, I think it's unfortunate. 638 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,080 It's, it's sad really, in some ways. 639 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,440 Yeah, no, it definitely is because he didn't he didn't 640 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,520 really see the results that he was hoping for while living. 641 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,120 It's it was more of a legacy thing passed on. 642 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,120 They didn't get it till he was gone. 643 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,199 Yeah. Anything else towards the end 644 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,719 here that you wanted to draw on? Oh my gosh. 645 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,920 Well, there was this. There's this, there's this thing 646 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,800 that happens outside of outside of the writing about Moses's 647 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,239 life. If you go to Jude Book of Jude 648 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,880 in the New Testament. So Jude, if you don't know, 649 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,719 that's actually short. His proper name would have been 650 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,280 Judas. But this is also like James, the 651 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,960 half brother of Jesus. So we've got Jude and he's got 652 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,719 this little 1 chapter writing in the New Testament. 653 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,600 And in that he he recounts something that like is nowhere 654 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,040 else in the Bible. And so it's worth it. 655 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,920 Jude verse nine. Oh wait, maybe I should start 656 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,560 earlier. Let's see here. 657 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,080 Oh yeah, Jude verse 9. Let's start there. 658 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,720 OK, so it says yet Michael the Archangel in contending with the 659 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:14,520 devil when he disputed about the body of Moses dared not bring 660 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320 against him a reviling accusation, but said the Lord 661 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,320 rebuke you. So in the New Testament we get 662 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:27,520 this angle that's at some point Satan and the Archangel Michael 663 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,920 had to dispute about who gets Moses body. 664 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,720 And you're like, where did that come from? 665 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,760 So doing a little digging on this, I mean, and I'm heavily 666 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,240 leaning on one commentator here, the enduring word commentary, 667 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,360 which we use fairly frequently. Very trustworthy source, but 668 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,080 couple of things that he writes here. 669 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,480 Jude mentioned two kinds of inject beings. 670 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160 Michael is among angelic beings being faithful to God who are 671 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,760 servants of God and man. The devil is among the angelic 672 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,400 beings rebelling against God who are enemies of man. 673 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,560 And ultimately, like the source of this, they're saying that 674 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,120 there is kind of an apocryphilical. 675 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,760 Is that a word like an apocryphy writing that Jude and other 676 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,680 Jewish people at the time had access to that was limited and 677 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,280 did not make it into the Old Testament, But that's where his 678 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,440 source of understanding that Satan and and Michael were 679 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,560 fighting over Jews, Moses's body. 680 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,160 And I just, the whole thing is really interesting and you're 681 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,160 like, I, I don't know why. Why would Satan want his body? 682 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,320 Why would he want it? Is it to defile it? 683 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,640 Is it to? Well, in the other angle that 684 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,520 you could take on this, there's a reason why Moses's grave went 685 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,440 unmarked and unknown. Because what would happen if it 686 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,840 was known? Likely his own people would have 687 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,640 turned it into this kind of ceremonial worship site. 688 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,600 And Moses was never meant to be worshipped, hence the whole rock 689 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,400 incident that we talked about yesterday in the sermon. 690 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,960 Like he was never meant to be looked at as God or their 691 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,840 savior. And so there's there's plenty of 692 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,440 scholarly material that would say that God did that on purpose 693 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,400 so that Moses wouldn't be worshipped or his or his 694 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,800 gravesite wouldn't be worshipped. 695 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040 And so perhaps that was Satan's angle. 696 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160 If we're taking Jude very seriously here, which we ought 697 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,200 to, perhaps that was Satan's angle, as if he could reveal 698 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,840 Moses's burial site or his body all of a sudden. 699 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,280 Like the focus goes off of God and it goes back on Moses. 700 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,840 Yeah. Well, and that's it's really 701 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,160 interesting that Jude has this again like 1500 years later, 702 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,840 right? Jude all of a sudden dropping. 703 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,440 Hey, yeah, this these guys were disputing over over Moses body. 704 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,520 So did he have a specific unique revelation or or or was it this 705 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,200 book the the assumption of Moses that we just have fragments of 706 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,720 this this historical book from that. 707 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:12,320 But to your point about about like God and unlike God the the 708 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,400 other, the other part of this Michael and I love that he 709 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,520 points out in in this commentary, Michael and Satan 710 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,800 are the equals here. I think so often we think as of 711 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,840 of Satan as like God's opposite. Oh yeah, or we think of him as 712 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,520 the enemy of God. But I think within that we give 713 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,640 him similar power to God, right. When, when in reality it's God 714 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,480 and then and Satan is on like field as the angels, right? 715 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,760 Like as as far as power and influence. 716 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,240 So, so really Michael and Satan are are equal level of of sorts 717 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,640 here. And yeah, just just something to 718 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,400 point. I, I, I think we often elevate 719 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,280 Satan's influence to be, to like have a fighting chance with God 720 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,400 and he and he really doesn't. Him and him and Michael are 721 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,240 peers, not Satan and God. Another interesting thing that 722 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,800 kind of comes out of not only this commentary, but just in 723 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,440 general as you think about this is that if the commentary points 724 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,800 out that in this Jude passage, Michael as a as an Angel does 725 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,040 not belittle Satan. He doesn't he doesn't tread all 726 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,040 over him. He actually goes back to the 727 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,040 power of God and says the Lord rebuke you. 728 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,600 And so the commentary will make the argument that like it is not 729 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,480 our job to attempt to be little Satan or to trounce all over 730 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,120 him. And in that, in that way, it's 731 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000 actually to point back to God, the way that Jesus does when 732 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,840 he's being tempted in tempted in the wilderness, and to use the 733 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,200 word of the Lord against him, not our own power, not our own 734 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,680 way of like trying to put him down, but use the word of the 735 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,520 Lord against him. Yeah. 736 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,120 And and in a similar way, he's also kind of submitting to. 737 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,160 It's not my authority. I'm. 738 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,640 I'm not. I'm not saying this is wrong in 739 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,400 my power. I'm submitting to God as and I'm 740 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,680 calling you out under God's authority as well. 741 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,360 Well, and towards the end of the passage, of course, we we get 742 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000 again kind of this summary of Moses's life. 743 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,000 None was like him For all the signs and the wonders that the 744 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,800 Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh and to all 745 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,200 of his servants and to all of his land for and for all the 746 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,560 mighty of power and all the great deeds of terror that Moses 747 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,640 did in the sight of Israel. So we, we do very much get the 748 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,200 sense that, you know, until Jesus shows up, there is no one 749 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,040 like Moses, not King David, like there's nobody like him. 750 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,720 God had really picked him up and said, OK, you are going to be my 751 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:52,400 servant who I used to do incredible and ridiculous things 752 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,840 in the sight of people. And so not until Jesus shows up 753 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,960 do we see anything of that stature again. 754 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480 I mean, we have Elijah and we have Elijah and we have these 755 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,360 are the prophets who do some pretty remarkable things, but 756 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,160 nothing like this. This is truly remarkable. 757 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,600 Yeah, yeah. So and that's it. 758 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,400 We did. We did the story of Moses, the 759 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,320 life of Moses, the sort of Christological preamble that 760 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:23,400 that he is to the person of Jesus, the ultimate deliverer in 761 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,240 the New Testament and and for us. 762 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,480 And moving on as we, as we look forward after the funeral of 763 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,840 Moses, now we, we stay in the Old Testament, though we, we 764 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,840 move forward in the Old Testament for Advent, but we 765 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,760 stay there with Isaiah the, the pre, the one who speaks maybe 766 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,480 most clearly or most often about the coming Messiah. 767 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,400 And so super looking forward to Advent and how Isaiah, as a 768 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,160 prophet of God just spoke really plainly and clearly about what's 769 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,280 coming. Yeah, no, it's going to be 770 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,920 great. And that's this week. 771 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,880 Advent starts this week, November 30th. 772 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,400 It's happening. So yeah, chime in on the funny 773 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,920 memes of the Christian artists and the and the Thanksgiving 774 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,440 dishes that that they are. We'll we'll post that under the 775 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,600 episode as well. I thought it was a funny thing 776 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,360 because they're wildly accurate in how they portrayed it and 777 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,680 it's really funny. Somebody took some real time to 778 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,160 think that through. Who you can tell. 779 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,400 Yeah, it's well done. So wanted to share that 780 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,200 enjoyment with you all as well. Thanks for tuning in, listening 781 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,040 along as we continue the conversation from the message 782 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,640 this weekend. Thanks for being a part of our 783 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,400 Community Church. Have a blessed week.