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Happy Monday. 
This is Pastor Matt. 

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Master Grass. 
Pastor Chris is here. 

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They you're still alive. 
I'm here. 

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We didn't even really, I guess 
Kristen said. 

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Reference to you, but I didn't 
do my usual homage to you. 

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Oh no, that is so unnecessary 
homage. 

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I'm just saying if if you 
weren't like present in the room

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and looking for you Sunday 
morning, like I feel like we 

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could have missed you. 
Because. 

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We really drew like, no 
attention to you at all. 

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That's OK, I I don't. 
I certainly don't need it. 

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He was here, I promise. 
I think I probably, whether I 

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mean to or not, draw enough 
attention to myself I don't 

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need. 
Any no problem drawing. 

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Attention. 
No, I don't. 

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I don't need any help, and in 
fact, we might be better if we 

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don't. 
I'll just be a ninja in the 

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crowd. 
That's hilarious. 

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Yeah. 
So we are here, man. 

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Hot and ready ERC leftovers 
today. 

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Yeah, fresh out of the skillet. 
Really. 

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We usually record this. 
Full disclosure, peek behind the

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curtain. 
Usually recorded on Monday and 

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it's Sunday afternoon right now.
Here we go. 

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Hot off the presses from the 
sermon, coming right out of it. 

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Instant reaction. 
Have you even had time to 

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process a? 
Little bit it was a weird 

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message for me and I kind of 
shared this with you and I think

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you understand the the 
preacher's tension. 

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Like it felt like, I know you 
could have taken this text 

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different way and like, 'cause 
most texts you can, you can, you

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can end up at different 
conclusions. 

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But what was just speaking so 
clearly to me out of this was 

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that sort of sanctification 
tension. 

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And what we, what we think of 
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sanctification versus what, 
Like, what actually does that? 

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If, if that makes sense. 
Like we, we, we look at our 

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sanctification as our like, 
successes and failures 

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throughout life becoming more 
holy, So wrestling with and 

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yadda, yadda. 
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And like, yeah, that's part of 
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That's literally just living 
through it. 

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But what sanctifies us? 
Like it's the Holy Spirit. 

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It's it's the power of Jesus 
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coming back. 
Like that, that justification 

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first phase and glorification 
final phase. 

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Like those are the things that 
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And we're just kind of along for
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part, like, and I don't want to 
that might offend some people 

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that were that we have like that
we don't have like any decision 

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or or motivation or anything. 
But like, to some degree we are 

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a little bit in the Christian 
life, just kind of tossed among 

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the waves a little bit. 
Yeah, there's definitely some 

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element of that. 
I you know what, I appreciate 

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that. 
But actually let me draw a 

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backward a step because I'm sure
we'll get into some more of that

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stuff. 
But you said something just now.

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That's what was really hitting 
you from the text. 

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I think it's so interesting and 
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in full time ministry. 
I think it's so interesting to 

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watch decisions happen when it 
comes to preaching and teaching 

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because you know, you could, you
could have somebody. 

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And it's not that the total 
meaning is different, it's what 

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we're keying in on. 
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which is not a lot of verses 5 
through 11, man, there's 

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probably, I mean, there's a 
plethora of ideas that you could

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just, hey, here's this one 
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Let me chase, let me chase it 
down to its logical conclusion. 

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And so I think it's super 
interesting when you hear 

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preachers make choices on like, 
OK, this is the idea that I'm 

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keying in on. 
And I just think from for my 

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money, as the saying goes, I 
think it is so good to hear a 

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lot of different people speak on
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everybody's, everybody's 
background information, what we 

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call their, their tacit, their 
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Maybe it's all going to grab 
something slightly different, 

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but I think it's really cool. 
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the talk on primarily 
sanctification and, and what 

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that looks like and. 
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because this isn't like in and 
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passage necessarily. 
Like we get there eventually and

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and a lot of the life in the 
spirit things is it's like 

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arguably, and I wrestled with a 
little bit if I was stealing any

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of your Thunder for next week 
because like verse verse 13 is 

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like a sanctification verse. 
But what you're right as far as 

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the decisions fall, that verse 7
just kind of cut me for the mind

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that is set on the flesh is 
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It does not submit to laws, 
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Indeed, it cannot like that that
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of avoiding sin and chasing the 
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Like if that's it, if that's the
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times to don't the don'ts and do
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on the flesh that that is a 
performance like workspace 

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righteousness theology. 
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and its hostile guts. 
So like that was my decision 

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point of you know what? 
This isn't about us at all. 

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This isn't about anything that 
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could do enough of to to earn or
avoid or whatever else. 

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And that landed me on 
sanctification. 

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Which no, I think, I think I 
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That's a, that's a perfectly 
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And actually, so let me draw 
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which is to say this, you don't 
have to be a teacher, a Bible 

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teacher or a pastor to do this. 
Because what happens is God's 

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word is living and active, 
sharper than any 2 edged sword. 

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And so for example, if you read 
a text and then you come back a 

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year and read it again later, Oh
my gosh, you know what's going 

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to happen that is probably going
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And he's like, hey, this is what
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And so, I mean, I actually think
that this is kind of a universal

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thing for people who study God's
Word is that man, every once in 

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awhile the Holy Spirit's going 
to poke you with something that 

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even if you've read it before, 
it's going to be different. 

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And that doesn't mean that 
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God's Word, like you can 
interpret something incorrectly,

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but it all, but it doesn't mean 
that you can't key in on 

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different concepts that are 
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And so I think that happens to 
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us as pastors and preachers. 
It should happen to all of us in

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different ways as we as we kind 
of engage in God's Word. 

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Yeah, and possibly you're, 
you're absolutely right because 

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and I didn't like intentionally 
do this, but, and even looking 

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back from our sermon prep, which
we did, we did this series, we 

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prepped this sermon like big 
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and and we did that all the way 
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And I didn't like just crumble 
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like does it like even the even 
the point, like I used about 

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half of them. 
Even even the points that we had

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in like our outline. 
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study of it this week. 
It was like it still just kind 

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of tugged me a little bit 
differently than where it's our 

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big idea was a mindset on the 
spirit brings life for today and

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eternity. 
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still came out today and like 
still rings true, but that 

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wasn't that wasn't my 
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So don't get mad at me for that.
I did not. 

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I did not just like besmirch the
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it. 
That was just so. 

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Even four months ago when we, 
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like it just there's a little 
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we're what we're taking out of 
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I think that's neat. 
Actually, one of the things that

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you brought up this week, and I 
wrote it in my notes because I 

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was taking notes like a good 
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you had this phrase that you 
used and we can get into it 

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more, but you said famous 
failures and I did. 

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I couldn't help it. 
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audience, I was like thinking, 
and again, this tells you where 

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my brain goes. 
I instantly started thinking of 

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like famous failures that I 
actually was mildly entertained 

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by. 
Seriously, that's where I went. 

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So I missed like. 
Things that just went terribly. 

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Wrong. 
I probably missed like a minute 

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and a half to two minutes of the
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I've got some famous failures, 
me personally, and just things 

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that I've been thinking of in 
the world. 

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So let me give you one that 
you're probably slightly too 

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young to, you're too young to 
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But those who are my age and 
probably a little bit older and 

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maybe slightly younger, you will
remember. 

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You should remember the debacle 
that was Crystal Pepsi. 

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This happened in 1992. 
And I'll never forget going to 

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the gas station in Wheatland, 
IA, rolled up to the pop, you 

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know, the the cooler, which was 
something that we did normally, 

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if we had a dollar, we're going 
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And when you could still do 
that, by the way, 1992, come on.

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So anyway, we rolled up to the 
Pop and it's like, why is the 

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Pepsi clear? 
Why is it clear? 

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And so just out of sheer 
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Crystal Pepsi and it was 
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I don't know how it. 
Tasted different it. 

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Oh yes I'm sorry I was 2. 
I wasn't drinking Pepsi at the 

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time. 
So your parents, they failed 

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you? 
No, I'm kidding. 

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That was a good move on their 
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years. 
Old, yeah. 

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No, but this stuff was 
disgusting. 

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It was so bad that they pulled 
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quickly. 
I don't think it lasted very 

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long. 
So how does that even maybe it's

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a different market than it was 
back then, but I feel like 

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Mountain Dew is making like 
whatever flavour that they want 

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and it's just, it's just fine. 
How does something like that 

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make it past like test panels 
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So it didn't. 
It was Crystal Pepsi, but it 

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didn't taste like Pepsi. 
No, I. 

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What did it taste like? 
I do not recall what the taste 

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was. 
I'm so sorry. 

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I'm doing a bad job of 
explaining that. 

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But I just know that I think it 
was myself and my brother. 

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And I can't remember if Derrick,
Derrick Hendrickson was with us 

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because we always hung out all 
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But all of us, just like we 
dumped it like because we did 

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not finish it. 
OK, because it'd be one thing if

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they were just like Crystal 
Pepsi. 

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Oops, It's it's Sprite. 
Like, like, oops, I'm just like,

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like the, the camp Crunch, oops,
all berries. 

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Like it was, well, it just came 
out all berries. 

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Or, or if they were trying to 
like just make it have the Pepsi

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taste, but just be clear for 
whatever reason, 'cause that's 

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more, is it more appealing to 
drink a cleared soda? 

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I don't know. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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I just I don't understand the 
marketing scheme, but apparently

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didn't work out one way or the 
other. 

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Neither look nor taste nor. 
No, it did not it. 

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Did not Crystal Pepsi. 
Crystal Pepsi, you know, were 

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there a bottle somehow still 
sealed out there somewhere just 

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for the laughs? 
I would probably drink it, but 

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it probably still wouldn't be 
good. 

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I'm sure age. 
Recollective pitch. 

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Now that's Yikes. 
Yeah. 

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Got any ones that you remember 
you thought of? 

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The fantastic famous failures. 
Famous failures, man. 

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I can only think of. 
I can only think of people. 

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That's. 
So that's a really good example 

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of was it? 
Was that the one that they were 

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trying to fix something that 
wasn't broken? 

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Is that what happened or Or was 
that? 

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One Coke. 
Coke did something similarly 

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dumb with New Coke. 
New Coke, New Coke and then 

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people. 
They changed the formula. 

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They were basically rioting in 
the streets. 

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Give me my classic Coca-Cola. 
That's So that's what, yeah, 

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things like things like that are
innovation isn't always better. 

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Like change, which is really 
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I always feel like change is 
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But it's not in the in the case 
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trying to fix something that 
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that. 
I just some some interesting 

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maybe just like misses. 
I don't know if these fit your 

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fit your failure failures 
necessarily just some guys. 

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Of course Thomas Edison what 
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got the like he he worked 
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before making making the light 
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Elvis Presley was fired from the
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return to driving trucks Before 
he like before he like. 

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You know, I could totally see 
Elvis as a truck driver. 

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I. 
Could see that and then so that 

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that one and Steven Spielberg, 
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he was denied from film school 
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was just doing his own thing and
Harry Potter that series was. 

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Like the book series? 
The book series was rejected by 

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12 different publishers. 
No, yeah, I didn't know that. 

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Yeah, no way. 
Yes, which seems insane, but. 

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All 12 publishers are just Oh my
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lottery ticket of the century. 
Yeah, so those were just maybe 

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not fixing something that wasn't
broken, but those were just man,

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drop the ball. 
I can't believe I wow, I can't 

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believe you would. 
And I don't know what, you know,

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those original writings were 
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were published, maybe they were 
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you can't read. 
I'm I'm kind of stuck on this 

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one for a second. 
I'm sorry you didn't read her 

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content and go, man, you know 
what? 

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Kids are going to love this. 
You couldn't have seen that. 

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I mean, yeah, hindsight seems 
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Oh my gosh, I don't know. 
I have a few book series like 

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that that I'm surprised that 
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I read the 7th Tower series 
growing up, which was fiction 

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writer Garth. 
Nick's never he never. 

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I don't think anything profound 
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I think this six book series 
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movie series, to be honest with 
you. 

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I've never met anyone else who 
has ever read them. 

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Yeah. 
But my brother and I loved them.

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And so I'm just saying like in 
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there's, I don't know, somehow 
that made it through and it 

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didn't catch on. 
So you suppose there's some 

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level? 
Not that I believe in what I'm 

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about to say, not really. 
Do you suppose there's some 

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level of luck involved? 
Oh, absolutely. 

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Like just the right person has 
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going to go tell everybody and 
it's going to catch fire. 

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Yes, for it to have success, but
in what you're saying like 

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anyone Harry Potter probably 
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regardless of the opportunity, 
right, Like some someone. 

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I think you're right in the 
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good and anyone could have had 
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There was very little luck 
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where it like didn't have 
success, yeah, and maybe needed 

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whatever better marketers or the
different publishing path. 

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And yeah, so anyway, I got us 
away from famous failures. 

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I feel like you had a couple. 
More No, there was a couple more

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that I that I looked up that I 
thought were kind of cool. 

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Well, I didn't bring this one 
up. 

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The DeLorean, the car, you know,
from Back to the future. 

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That's so sad that thing it says
0 sales in 1981. 

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OK, so they put out they, they 
roll out this car, nobody wants 

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it. 
It looks super cheesy and 

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futuristic, nobody likes it. 
And then it only becomes famous 

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after it had already failed. 
And so they'd already stopped 

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making it by the time Back to 
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And then everybody wants 1 after
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But they don't have them. 
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clunky and it drove terribly, 
and it was. 

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It was kind of like driving like
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It was awful to drive, they 
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until after the movie came out. 
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failed. 
One other one that I liked a lot

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and I couldn't believe this. 
1996 the Taco Liberty Bell. 

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What? 
This is a good one. 

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Taco Bell announced it had 
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renamed it the Taco Liberty 
Bell. 

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What? 
And because we're just at the 

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advent of the Internet at this 
point, everybody believed. 

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It. 
Everybody believed it. 

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It was, it was meant to be like 
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Taco Bell to the country, just, 
you know, whatever. 

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But everybody believed it. 
No Internet to like debunk it 

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out of the gate. 
And so like, so it says that the

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National Park Service had to 
issue an official statement that

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they did not allow Taco Bell to 
actually buy the Liberty Bell. 

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And if they did, why did they 
keep Liberty Bell in there? 

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I feel like they if they were 
going to own it. 

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Nope. 
This is the Taco Bell now. 

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Just just erase that part of 
American history. 

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It's fine for marketing 
purposes, of course. 

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Of course. 
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a terrible failure on a prank 
that got people really angry. 

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Like people were apparently like
boycotting Taco Bell and how 

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dare you and all this kind of 
stuff. 

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And it's like, dude, it was just
a joke. 

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Oops, bad joke that. 
Would have been like the most 

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annoying college football bowl 
game ever the the Taco Liberty 

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Bell Fiesta bowl. 
Yeah, it's a big. 

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By the Taco Liberty Bell. 
By the Taco Liberty Bell. 

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Oh my, yeah, I don't like it. 
There's some good famous 

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failures if you have any more 
love to hear about them. 

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Things that went terribly wrong 
or things that people tried to 

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fix that weren't broken, didn't 
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fixed. 
Yeah, because that's more or 

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less where we wound up with this
message in Romans 8. 

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We're in verses 5 through 11 
this week. 

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And yeah, what was really 
convicting on my heart and of 

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course I'm I'm influenced in 
taking in different different 

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messages and different study. 
We were at refuel conference 

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last week with the worship team 
in Mishawaka IN it was a worship

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conference. 
One of the speakers there, Kim 

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Walker Smith, we sing a few of 
her songs from time to time. 

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And you're, you're probably 
familiar with her work with 

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Jesus culture and, and Bethel 
music and her own independent 

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stuff too. 
But she was one of the speakers 

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and she was speaking on and 
against burnout in ministry and 

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how to and how to prevent it. 
And like all these other 

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strategies, when in her 
experience, we just lost sight 

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of Jesus, like in our, in our 
burnout. 

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That's really what causes 
burnout. 

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We, we've lost sight of the 
thing. 

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And that's what I was trying to 
draw out in the message this 

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week of yes, there's in in 
Galatians 5, Paul draws out this

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tension of the of the war 
between the flesh and the 

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spirit. 
Galatians 5. 

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He kind of like lists all of the
things, all the, the, the sexual

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immorality and the debauchery 
and, and all, all those things. 

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And then he counteracts that 
with, but this is, these are the

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fruits of the spirit. 
This is, this is how we see this

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played out. 
So what is your mind set on? 

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But that's still not the point. 
So like so like that was that 

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was ringing out from this 
message 2 weeks ago from from 

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Kim Walker Smith of like 
avoiding the wrongs and doing 

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the rights. 
Did I say Jesus in that? 

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Like I I Jesus wasn't anywhere 
in that sentence. 

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Jesus is the point. 
Jesus is the thing. 

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So where we ended with the song,
the blood and even just 

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hopefully what was a somewhat 
cohesive and articulate message 

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together for like the focus on. 
What matters in, in, in Christ, 

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those those anchor points that 
we have of his death and 

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resurrection of his coming 
again, not to say that our life 

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in the middle is meaningless. 
I'm not going like all 

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Ecclesiastes here on here, but 
but, but we can't let the the 

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highs of, of our journey of 
sanctification replace what 

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Jesus did. 
And we also can't let the lows 

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of, of our failures and even in 
the process of sanctification, 

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like we can't let that take away
what Jesus did either. 

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That's that's not it. 
Well, and it's interesting, I'm,

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I'm glad you brought up the, 
the, the fruit of the spirit in 

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this sermon, because I think it,
I think it's spot on. 

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It's a, it's a great place to 
import that. 

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Now, what's funny is gosh, we, 
we look at a list of those 

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really good attributes, right? 
And we say, you know what I'm 

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going to do? 
I'm going to work at this, I'm 

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going to work at being more 
patient. 

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I'm going to work it, you know, 
being good and faithful and 

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stuff. 
And Oh my gosh, the second we 

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say that we have already failed 
because the whole point is it's 

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not about us working towards it.
It's about if I have a heart 

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changed by the gospel, these 
things will naturally flow out 

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of my life. 
So it's not so much, OK, I'm 

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going to, I'm going to steal 
myself here and, and I'm going 

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to work into being a more 
patient person. 

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No, you're not. 
You're going to fail miserably 

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and it's going to be ugly and 
you're going to wonder what the 

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heck happened. 
Well, geez, guys, it's, it's one

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of those things like stop 
working. 

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What God wants to just stop 
working for what God just wants 

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to give you, right. 
We, we don't have to strive for 

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those things. 
It is more so as I just implant 

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myself into God's Word and I am 
saturated by it. 

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Those things will more and more 
naturally occur. 

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The I think the illustration, 
the illustration I gave to my 

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confirmation students when we 
were talking about 

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sanctification was the clay pot 
on the wheel well. 

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It certainly doesn't start as a 
pot. 

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It starts as a lump of clay in a
circle ish shape depending on 

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how good you are at that part of
the process. 

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And then it is the Potter who 
shapes and reshapes and 

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sometimes it gets shaped 
incorrectly and so he smashes it

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all down and he starts over 
again. 

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Well, in this illustration we 
are the clay and God is the one 

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who's reshaping. 
We're not reshaping ourselves by

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our own will. 
And that's where these two, my 

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texts last week and your text 
connect beautifully is it's not 

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us doing the work of reshaping. 
It's God doing the work of 

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reshaping through the Holy 
Spirit. 

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Therefore, maybe, I mean, maybe 
we just don't have to like focus

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on our efforts so much. 
Yeah. 

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And that's that's where I ended 
up because even in that what 

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like what you just said about, 
OK, I'm going to, I'm going to 

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set my mind on being patient. 
Well, that next instance that 

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you're not, maybe you are, maybe
you're doing great, maybe 

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patient, patient, patient. 
But then you have one 

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interaction where you lose your 
temper or you lose your cool or,

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or whatever it is, you're not 
patient in that moment. 

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You're you're not being 
perfectly patient. 

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And I didn't, I didn't share 
this on Sunday, but there's like

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social psychology statistics of 
95% of the people that we 

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interact with, we will only 
interact with once. 

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No. 
Really 90 Well, I mean, and I 

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guess it depends on how you but 
like interact being like a 

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passing conversation or or like 
whatever transactional cashier 

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sort of or like think of waiter,
waiter at a table or whatever 

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else. 95% of all the people you 
meet in life you only have that 

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one interaction with. 
I am kind of blown away by that 

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so. 
But I'm interested. 

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But I'm just saying, if so, if 
that holds, and I guess I was 

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more willing to believe that, 
then maybe you are. 

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So maybe I'm gullible. 
But no, that that seemed 

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reasonable to me that most of 
the people I ever meet, I will 

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only meet that once. 
But if that one interaction is a

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moment of weakness or a moment 
of impatience, that person's 

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impression of you is what? 
Not that you're a patient 

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person. 
Not at all. 

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Even if that was the one time in
your life that you've ever been 

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impatient. 
Sure that's that's their 

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impression. 
So that's just kind of what 

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birthed in my mind of like 
what's the hardest we could 

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again, not saying we shouldn't 
strive for those fruits of the 

449
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,080
spirit things. 
It's it's not meaningless. 

450
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,640
It's a it's a life reshaped in 
response for what you've done. 

451
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,280
The other thing you brought up 
from from confirmation was the 

452
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,600
analogy of the butterfly. 
Like genetically it's the same 

453
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,520
being as the Caterpillar, right,
But like comes out if, if a 

454
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:12,080
butterfly were were to crawl on 
a branch or the ground like 

455
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,320
Caterpillar instead of flying 
around, you're not like you're 

456
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,440
you're besmirching. 
I'm gonna use that word again. 

457
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,160
That's the word of the day. 
You're besmirching the the gift 

458
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,240
right of of that transformation 
of that new life. 

459
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,400
Same thing with Christian. 
Like you are made new, if you're

460
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,400
not living different, what are 
you doing with that, with that 

461
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,800
gift, with that change, You're 
not honoring it. 

462
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,040
So we should be striving for 
trying for the things of the 

463
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,320
Spirit, right? 
But I just don't want us to hold

464
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,720
our feet to the fire so hard of 
when those moments of failure, 

465
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,000
yes, still grieved by our sin, 
still saddened by our sin, but 

466
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,120
again, not to the point where it
has disqualified us from the 

467
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,240
covering blood of Jesus. 
I think that happens so often 

468
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,600
though, and here's why. 
Here's why I'm an expert in this

469
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,680
and I am truly APHD expert in 
this topic. 

470
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,720
And it's because I am not so 
unique and it has happened to me

471
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,560
thousands and thousands of times
over the years of you know, I 

472
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,960
feel like I feel like, man, I am
doing so well. 

473
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,000
I'm reading my Bible, I'm 
praying and I'm doing all this 

474
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,920
stuff and man, I bet God is so 
proud of me. 

475
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,160
I bet he's like up there Gold 
Star Chris, you're you're 

476
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,520
killing it. 
And then I do something stupid 

477
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,120
and I instantly think, Oh no, 
and I go to the other extreme. 

478
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,720
I think, Oh no, he must be so 
angry. 

479
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,680
He must just be so disappointed 
and he must be looking at the 

480
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,360
angels going. 
I knew it couldn't count on that

481
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,920
guy. 
There he is again, just messing 

482
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,840
up. 
And it's like that's that is 

483
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,280
Satan playing a trick. 
That is him just messing with 

484
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,480
you trying to make you feel 
disqualified when the most 

485
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,280
hilarious mistake that you made 
was not even that. 

486
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,200
It was thinking that you were 
doing the work to be God happy 

487
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,120
with you. 
That was the first and most 

488
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:10,480
fatal mistake is that somehow, 
and I'm again, I'm an expert PhD

489
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,600
because I've done it so many 
times that like, I think somehow

490
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,040
it's me working so hard to make 
God so proud, like a little kid 

491
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,000
bringing home the, the paper 
from school. 

492
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,840
And it's like, look what I did. 
No, look what God is doing and 

493
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,800
through this broken vessel all 
the time. 

494
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,160
Exactly. 
Yep. 

495
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,320
And that's and that's where I 
ended on the that's where verse 

496
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,360
seven hit me. 
If we're if we're doing it for 

497
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,840
Hey Gold Star, look what I did. 
God, look at me. 

498
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,560
What it what I no, it's still 
missing the point of the, of how

499
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,480
the Spirit has worked in and 
transformed your body of death 

500
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,600
into life. 
Right. 

501
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:55,520
Like so, yeah, I don't know, 
maybe it's it's funny to be this

502
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,040
close to the sermon and just 
kind of be all up in my head 

503
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,320
about how people might have 
taken some different things. 

504
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,280
So, I mean, I don't know, maybe 
this wasn't profound for some of

505
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,720
you and that's fine. 
Let's if you have internalized a

506
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,720
lot of this and I didn't strike 
any new frontiers in thought for

507
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,760
you this week, that's fine and 
great and and I'm glad. 

508
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,000
But it was what was on the 
forefront of my mind and 

509
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,040
conviction this week of man, Are
we are we focused on the right 

510
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,200
thing, even the inner workings 
of of sanctification of our sin?

511
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,440
Like no, not grieved by the sin,
impressed by what Jesus has done

512
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,920
to to address that. 
Well, I'll tell you what, man, 

513
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,960
and I would say, you know, we 
ought not to apologize too 

514
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,320
quickly for the words that God 
puts in our heads and our 

515
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,880
hearts. 
You know, especially here's the 

516
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,160
thing, played basketball a lot, 
coached basketball, all that 

517
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080
stuff for a number of years. 
It was kind of a defining part 

518
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,080
of my life. 
Oh, here's what I know about 

519
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400
coaching young players is that 
young players always want to do 

520
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,880
the coolest thing that they've 
seen on TV or whatever. 

521
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,480
And it's like, hey, guys, you 
know what we really need to do. 

522
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,120
And even if you were great, you 
know, what you would need to go 

523
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,920
back to all the time is the 
basics. 

524
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,840
Not that we don't grow in faith 
in theology and understanding. 

525
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,640
I'm a huge proponent for all 
those things. 

526
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,800
However, this, this topic of 
sanctification, how God is 

527
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,360
reshaping us day in and day out 
and making sure it's clear that 

528
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,200
we don't think it's our hard 
work that's sanctifying us, that

529
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,360
it's really the continuous work 
of the Holy Spirit and God doing

530
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,480
that and his word through the 
sacraments. 

531
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,080
That's how God sanctifying us. 
But in some ways, I think if 

532
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,720
you're studying theology, you're
like, well, this is the basics. 

533
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,400
This is almost day one and 
stuff. 

534
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Yeah, but like, if we don't get 
this part right, nothing else 

535
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,320
will be right either. 
We will. 

536
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,960
We will make mistakes all over 
the place, and all those 

537
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,400
mistakes will lead us back to 
pointing at us as if we were the

538
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,760
ones doing it in the first 
place. 

539
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:15,400
You have to get this right. 
So in that way, again, cheers, 

540
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,360
well done. 
Because like this stuff matters.

541
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,000
Theology matters as it works, 
theology matters. 

542
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,320
And if you can't get this part 
right, everything else is going 

543
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,400
to fall apart anyway. 
So by the way, I just I I have 

544
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,880
notes because. 
I was taking notes. 

545
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,440
I was a good student, I was 
taking notes and not to move us 

546
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040
to the end too fast. 
That's fine, we haven't done any

547
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,840
scriptures. 
Or we can start whatever. 

548
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,640
We haven't read any of the 
passage we were in Romans 5 or 

549
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,040
Romans 8. 
Five through 11 this week also 

550
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,320
strongly referenced all of 
Galatians 5 pretty much. 

551
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,560
But so we can jump in wherever 
we're we're breaking the mold. 

552
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,320
This week, look at look at no, 
but I just it's something you 

553
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,720
said that is that was built on 
what we read in the text. 

554
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:07,160
And you said no hope in our 
best, No Fear in our worst. 

555
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,240
And I wrote that down word for 
word. 

556
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,880
No hope in our best, No Fear in 
our worst. 

557
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Can you just tell me how you got
there? 

558
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,000
Because I think that's a 
profound and important and true 

559
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,400
statement. 
I love that. 

560
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Like when you said that, I was 
like, that's the stuff, man. 

561
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Tell me how you got there. 
Well, I started and I started 

562
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,280
the sermon with asking for 
asking for the best thing that 

563
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,120
you've ever done. 
And I wonder because I didn't I 

564
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,400
didn't arrive on on it at the 
end. 

565
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,600
I wonder how many initial 
answers were putting my faith in

566
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Jesus like I, I and I and I 
tried to frame the question in a

567
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,960
way that was more works acts 
based. 

568
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Like I hope people were thinking
about whatever kindness things 

569
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,120
that they did, but in asking 
about the best thing you've ever

570
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:02,640
done and the worst thing you've 
ever done as as much as our best

571
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,920
thing is filthy rags to God, 
right? 

572
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,240
Like we read that in scripture. 
Our worst thing is not so 

573
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,080
terrible that God has turned us 
away. 

574
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,880
So we we that's that's where I 
arrived on. 

575
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960
We we shouldn't be hoping in our
best because it is. 

576
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,960
It is filthy rags to get. 
So like we can't anchor hope in 

577
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,760
that. 
But we also shouldn't beat 

578
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,720
ourselves up to the point where 
we we fear the worst thing. 

579
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,320
And we're really good at that. 
We're really good at thinking no

580
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,560
one's as bad as me. 
No one's, no one's, no one. 

581
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,520
But yeah, people have problems, 
but no one's done this. 

582
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:53,280
No, I I promise you they have 
as, as one of those people. 

583
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,240
And I know that sounds weird. 
Like hearing your pastor say 

584
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,600
that. 
I'm not even talking about like,

585
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,320
yeah, plenty of people come to 
us as patchers and plenty of 

586
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,280
people have problems. 
Like, I'm not even saying that 

587
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,160
in a judging way. 
I'm saying it from a personal 

588
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,400
standpoint as one of those 
people who also feels like I 

589
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,040
have done worse things than 
anyone else could imagine. 

590
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Like, yeah, that we we can't. 
But we can't let that fear 

591
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,280
outweigh, outweigh the love, the
blood of Jesus. 

592
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,880
What is it? 
What is accomplished in that for

593
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,280
us? 
So we can't. 

594
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,040
We can't hope on our best and we
can't fear our worst, because 

595
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,880
neither one of those things get 
us salvation. 

596
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:48,080
It's funny, we I think maybe 
I've only ever said this once as

597
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,680
somebody was kind of bringing 
something to me that they were 

598
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,760
going through and stuff. 
And but I could probably say it 

599
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200
far more often. 
But here's here's what it was 

600
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,320
that I've definitely said at 
least once to somebody. 

601
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400
I just went you too, huh? 
Because it's true. 

602
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,720
The thing that they were talking
about. 

603
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,560
I was like, Yep, cool. 
We're in the same boat. 

604
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,320
Same here. 
Yeah, you too. 

605
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,679
And I, and I think that's a 
powerful thing that we need to 

606
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,480
remember is that Satan would 
love to like pull us and make us

607
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,080
feel so lonely in our sin, so 
unique in our sin. 

608
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,159
And it's just not true. 
It's absolutely not true. 

609
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,840
And so I think there is 
something, you know, we end up 

610
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,719
creating friendships that way. 
I was talking to somebody about 

611
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,520
that recently. 
You want to know how you make 

612
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,480
friends? 
You get talking with somebody 

613
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,320
new and they they say something 
like an experience or an 

614
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,679
interest that they have and you 
go, Oh, you too, huh? 

615
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520
And then all of a sudden, like 
we have something to talk about.

616
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,120
We have, we have something in 
common. 

617
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,159
Well, the same thing can be true
for, you know, us as sinners, 

618
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,200
you know, just seeking out not 
to be lonely, not to be ashamed,

619
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,720
not to be hiding in the dark 
because of our sin and guilt and

620
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,040
stuff like that. 
But to just look at somebody and

621
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,360
say, Oh, you too, huh? 
And I think that's, that's an 

622
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,800
important thing that we need to 
remember is that we are not 

623
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,360
alone in, in our failures. 
And, and most importantly, God 

624
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,960
is right there with us. 
And he's saying, yeah, but I got

625
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,640
that. 
I, I sent my son for that. 

626
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,640
So we're, we're going to be OK. 
And I'm, and I am sanctifying 

627
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,200
you daily through the spirit. 
And the fact that you're even 

628
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,240
feeling the weight of this sin 
is just an is just a testament 

629
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,760
to the fact that my spirit is 
living and dwelling in you. 

630
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:38,720
And there's some level of 
conviction that's OK, because I 

631
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,040
just need you to come back to 
the cross and and reset your 

632
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,960
heart right there. 
Yeah, and that's oh man, we feel

633
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:54,400
so vulnerable in that position. 
And, and again, I, I, I remember

634
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:00,800
and reflect on that at times of,
of just feeling so unworthy of 

635
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,960
what, how, how can, how can it 
be that even, even this would be

636
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,360
forgivable, even even these 
things, I would, I would still 

637
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480
be loved by God. 
So like, I, I get how people get

638
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,360
to that point, but at the same 
time, at this point in my life 

639
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,480
as a Christian, I also don't at 
the same time, I get, get how 

640
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:28,880
people get because it's so good.
It's, it's so strong and true. 

641
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,840
Just did the persistence that 
God has for us, for his 

642
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,040
creation. 
It's crazy. 

643
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:43,000
We'd be crazy to say that our 
sin is so great that he couldn't

644
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,680
save us. 
That's blasphemy, Sir. 

645
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Right. 
So yeah, anyway, I hope that 

646
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,680
was, I hope that was impactful 
for others as it was for you not

647
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,440
to not to be putting. 
Oh man, you have to read it back

648
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,120
to me. 
Not to. 

649
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,600
Not to hope, not to hope in our 
best, and not to fear our worst.

650
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Yeah. 
And I again, I just that 

651
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560
statement, I hope, yeah, I hope 
that resonated with a lot of 

652
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,480
people because it it resonated 
with me. 

653
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,800
And I just thought that was 
incredibly powerful. 

654
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,640
And things that are powerful are
powerful because they're true, 

655
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,760
because they're that's that that
statement reflects the gospel, 

656
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,320
right? 
I am so bad that somebody had to

657
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,440
die for me. 
I'm so loved that somebody chose

658
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,000
to die for me. 
It is both. 

659
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,360
And. 
And I think that statement sums 

660
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,240
that up so nicely. 
So, yeah. 

661
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,880
Well done. 
So I'm going to roll through. 

662
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,920
I'm going to read our scripture 
and passage for this, if you 

663
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,240
haven't read it already 
listening to us Babel or or from

664
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,320
the sermon yesterday. 
But there's a lot of circular 

665
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,600
language here from Paul. 
But I'm going to read the six or

666
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,120
so verse 7 verses that it is 
Romans 8, five through 11. 

667
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,600
For those who live according to 
the flesh set their minds on the

668
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,280
things of the flesh. 
But those who live according to 

669
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,640
the Spirit set their minds on 
the things of the Spirit. 

670
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,160
For to set the mind of the flesh
is death, but to set the mind on

671
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,640
the Spirit is life and peace. 
For the mind that is set on the 

672
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,400
flesh is hostile to God, for it 
does not submit to God's law. 

673
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,120
Indeed it cannot. 
Those who are in the flesh 

674
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,400
cannot please God. 
I'm going to I'm going to pause 

675
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,520
right there because I think that
was also a decision point for 

676
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,840
me. 
Like if we, if we again, similar

677
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,160
thought being if we have our 
mind so set on avoiding sin and 

678
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,880
our mind so set on doing the 
good things, that's that's a 

679
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,640
mind on the flesh. 
And those acts in and of 

680
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,120
themselves separate from Jesus 
cannot please God. 

681
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Like even if so, that was 
another decision point for me. 

682
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,880
Verse 8. 
Let me pause for a second, if 

683
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,920
you don't mind. 
I I didn't think about it during

684
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,040
the sermon, but I did think 
about it just as you were 

685
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,720
talking about it right now. 
Who worked? 

686
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,160
Is there any group that worked 
harder at pleasing God in the 

687
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,920
flesh, in the law than the 
Pharisees and man who was Jesus 

688
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,920
hardest on? 
Yeah. 

689
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,680
So, I mean, again, it's not that
there's a it's not that there's 

690
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,480
no effort to please God and to 
live a holy life. 

691
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,880
Of course there is. 
But that level of striving that 

692
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,840
they're taking, they're so man, 
they just put boulders on their 

693
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,400
own shoulders and on other 
people's shoulders and they make

694
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,080
it so difficult when it's really
not that complicated. 

695
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,960
It is faith in Christ. 
It is striving towards God's 

696
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,160
heart. 
Not necessarily the constant 

697
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,480
daily, moment by moment striving
to be accepted by God because 

698
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,720
I'm doing such a good job. 
Like that's baloney. 

699
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,000
It's not going to work out that 
way. 

700
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,880
Right. 
So then, so then seeing shifts 

701
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,840
going into verse 9. 
You, however, are not in the 

702
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,400
flesh, but in the Spirit, if in 
fact the Spirit of God dwells in

703
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,720
you. 
Anyone who does not have the 

704
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,280
Spirit of Christ does not belong
to him. 

705
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,520
But if Christ is in you, 
although the body is dead 

706
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880
because of sin, the Spirit is 
life because of righteousness. 

707
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,720
If the spirit of him who raised 
Jesus from the dead dwells in 

708
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,920
you, he who raised Christ Jesus 
from the dead will also give 

709
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,400
life to your mortal bodies 
through his spirit who dwells in

710
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,360
you. 
So just there's, there's two 

711
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,960
contrasting things. 
He continues the, the war that 

712
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,960
you brought up last week that 
that is this war that Paul's 

713
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,520
going through and kind of 
walking us through between the 

714
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,680
flesh and the spirit. 
We don't, we don't want the 

715
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,520
flesh. 
We want to pursue a mind that is

716
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,680
set on the spirit and and what's
the difference? 

717
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,320
The Spirit in US, right? 
That that's how our mind is set 

718
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:38,200
on Christ when Christ is in you.
You know, Romans 8:10 and 11:00,

719
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,560
you could probably hang out here
for a really long time. 

720
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,040
Oh, sure, if the Spirit is in 
you. 

721
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,920
Although the body is dead 
because of sin. 

722
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,720
OK, so although the body is dead
because of sin, what an 

723
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,600
interesting thing to say. 
So let me just take this way too

724
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,000
literally for a second. 
Let me just do that. 

725
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,240
So if I am a Christian then and 
I am looking at this and I'm 

726
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,360
like, ha, the body is dead 
because of sin. 

727
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,520
Now what am I man? 
What can I take from that? 

728
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,680
How how might I understand some 
of this stuff that's happening? 

729
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,240
Well, gosh, there is. 
Let me quickly move forward to 

730
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:24,360
the end game of this. 
My body in its state right now 

731
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,120
will at some point be dead. 
I have 100% death. 

732
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Besides, Jesus has 100% win 
rate. 

733
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,840
I mean, I mean like look at the 
look at the statistics, right? 

734
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,840
So I have to accept on some 
level that man, this body that 

735
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,200
I'm currently inhabiting with 
the Spirit that God has given me

736
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,320
with my very soul, OK, I'm going
to, I'm going to have to say 

737
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,400
goodbye to that. 
But but the Spirit is life 

738
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,760
because of righteousness. 
So man, this thing that is day 

739
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:04,280
by day slowly decaying my body, 
there is life inside of it in a 

740
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,600
life that cannot be put out, a 
fire that cannot be put out. 

741
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,480
And I think that's so 
interesting to think about. 

742
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:12,360
Only by the Spirit because I 
think I think you're right to 

743
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,080
take it somewhat literally 
because it also so stick with 

744
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,280
me. 
Jesus is the bread of life right

745
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,440
and the living water. 
He who raised Christ from the 

746
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,320
dead will also give life to your
mortal bodies through his spirit

747
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:33,320
who dwells in you like that is a
future reality of glorification 

748
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,120
right where where like our 
bodies are fully redeemed new 

749
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:45,000
creation, but is is it Could 
there also be some like real 

750
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,600
here and now element life to our
mortal bodies as as they are 

751
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,560
right now right like this. 
This is our living life that the

752
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,000
spirit in them present day as 
well and that's the only thing 

753
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,080
that really can give give life 
and purpose and meaning to our 

754
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,760
mortal bodies. 
Like I think I think that's in 

755
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,400
there too. 
So if if that's if that's the 

756
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,640
spirit of Christ, yeah body is 
dead because of sin, which also 

757
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,680
like puts our again puts our 
works in the waste bin. 

758
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,760
It just the the works of the 
flesh aren't going to do it. 

759
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,240
They're dead and gone and filthy
rags and and all the things 

760
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:30,120
right. 
But in pursuing the things of 

761
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,640
the the the fruit of the spirit 
are things of life that right 

762
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,000
the spirit has brought life to 
our mortal bodies. 

763
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,320
These things Lovejoy, peace, 
patience, kindness, like it's 

764
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,320
more, it's more than that. 
They just feel good, right or or

765
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:49,000
or happy, like they are the 
essence of life through us by 

766
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,200
the Holy Spirit. 
I think when we is that crazy, 

767
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,800
yeah, no, I think that's that's 
great. 

768
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,240
And actually when we when we OK,
Galatians 5, let's get back into

769
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,200
that again because that's great 
connection. 

770
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,600
When we, when we read that list 
the fruit of the spirits, you 

771
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,080
know what you could do? 
You could say, man, am I 

772
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,880
checking the box and all these 
things, but you'd be better off 

773
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,560
to say, wow, how does the Holy 
Spirit, how does Jesus Christ, 

774
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,800
how does God the Father, how do 
they encompass all of these 

775
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,120
things? 
Because if you read your Bible, 

776
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,640
you will see that these are 
nothing more and nothing less 

777
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,080
than character traits of God 
himself. 

778
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,760
And as the Spirit works in us, 
as the gospel hits our hearts in

779
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,560
a new way, and sometimes it's 
going to be new 1000 times 

780
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,640
because we fall, we fail, and we
renew that relationship with God

781
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,720
and say, Lord, I'm so sorry. 
I'm back at the foot of the 

782
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:48,000
cross as I am seemingly everyday
renewing me a new spirit. 

783
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,280
Give me, give me your spirit 
that I might live the way that 

784
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,720
you live, you know, and so 
again, not my personal effort, 

785
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,000
but God's Spirit working through
me and all of those are his 

786
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,000
characteristics. 
Just think about the life of 

787
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Jesus. 
Think about when he was kind. 

788
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,440
Think about when he was patient,
when he was gentle and, and, and

789
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,440
all the things of that list. 
And you're just like, gosh, I, I

790
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,280
would love to be like that. 
Well, it's not going to happen 

791
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,320
by your willpower, as we've 
talked about, but it is going to

792
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,680
happen by God's Spirit dwelling 
in you because you've accepted 

793
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,960
Christ as your Savior. 
That's so good. 

794
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,600
It's all right there. 
It's all right there. 

795
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Yeah. 
So that's where, well, we like 

796
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,160
we covered the first and last 
part of this five through 11 in 

797
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:43,920
in Romans 8. 
I'm just struck again by the 

798
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,600
simplicity. 
And that's, I'm not sure if I 

799
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,760
talked earlier on this pod, I 
said it to some people after 

800
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,080
church, but this week's sermon 
felt a little more teachy than 

801
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,280
preachy because it's like, yeah,
there was life and death and 

802
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,120
resurrection and hope and Jesus 
and stuff, but it felt a little 

803
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,880
more matter of factual too. 
Like, I wasn't, there wasn't any

804
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,120
big experiential revelation or 
anything. 

805
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,360
Like it was just this is what it
says and this is how this works.

806
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:17,320
So yay. 
Yeah, that. 

807
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,440
Was the most enthusiastic. 
Yay that I've ever heard. 

808
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,360
It was the first or second 
service. 

809
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,480
I think after one of the songs 
there was a kid in the front 

810
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,840
that yay, that was that was. 
Great it was. 

811
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:32,800
Great. 
It was so those, those sermons 

812
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,640
always feel a little weird for 
me too because like it's just 

813
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,120
you, you put it out there and 
they're like, OK, but do you, do

814
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,240
you get it? 
Do you understand? 

815
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,160
Because like, there's not really
any, there's no points of 

816
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,760
contention like this is just, 
this is how this works and and 

817
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,720
this is how it's laid out in 
Scripture, so. 

818
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:54,640
It wasn't so much like like 
again. 

819
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,880
OK, so I've told other people 
this and I don't, I don't hide 

820
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,720
it. 
Often times when I read a text, 

821
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:04,960
you look at it and you say, all 
right, if I am an attorney, if 

822
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,200
I'm whatever, I'm making an 
argument and I'm going to argue 

823
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,600
you into the ground. 
And so there isn't. 

824
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,280
There's not an argument. 
There's not an. 

825
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,240
Argument to make so much, unless
you kind of superimpose that 

826
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,640
from something, but no need to 
do that. 

827
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,080
So yeah, it's not arguing a 
case. 

828
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,840
You know which. 
I felt like there was very 

829
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,160
little to prove this week. 
I guess it, I guess like we 

830
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,160
usually have like a thesis 
statement and A and a problem, 

831
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040
right. 
This week it was just, I don't 

832
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,640
know, here's how this works. 
Yeah. 

833
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,280
So anyway, that's where we are. 
That's great. 

834
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,800
Do you have other notes? 
I have one thing on my mind and 

835
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,600
it was a little bit of a slip up
at the second service and I'm 

836
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,560
not sure if anyone caught it, 
but I do. 

837
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,720
I do know, I only said it at the
second service. 

838
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,040
OK, no, I was, I was actually 
just so I was looking at my 

839
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,320
notes. 
You you said this and I think it

840
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,320
was really good. 
Don't let the failure define who

841
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,760
God sees you as. 
Again, that's another just great

842
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,520
like heart statement of just I, 
I can't, I can't allow Satan to 

843
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,520
get so deep into my head that I 
forget what God says about me. 

844
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,800
Because really in some ways what
we're getting to here as well is

845
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,760
an identity. 
You know, we didn't, you didn't 

846
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,880
name that as like a topic, but 
what in a lot of ways you're 

847
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920
getting that is you're talking 
about what's my identity, what's

848
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,920
my purpose, what's my meaning? 
And man, I think that statement,

849
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,160
don't let the failure define who
God sees you as. 

850
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,440
It's it's, it's reminding us our
identity is not found in what we

851
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,880
do, how we perform, but more so,
this is who God says I am. 

852
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,600
Because that happens 
instantaneously, right? 

853
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,720
I know, I know. 
I broke sanctification into 

854
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,240
phases and that was I thought 
that was more helpful, but maybe

855
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,400
it was less help because really 
the first phase of justification

856
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,000
like that's, that's, that's the 
advent of sanctification is 

857
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,560
justification, which is the 
moment that the moment of 

858
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,920
conversion essentially that that
the believer professes faith in 

859
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,680
Jesus. 
Like bam, when that happens, 

860
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,480
yes, it sets you, the clock 
starts ticking on this 

861
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,240
sanctification journey of the 
Christian life. 

862
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,200
But like when that happens, your
identity changes instantly, 

863
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,760
right? 
Like as far as who God sees you 

864
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,280
as, right, you're in that 
moment, you are covered by the 

865
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,200
blood of Jesus in his 
righteousness. 

866
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,400
It's not a OK, I decided this 
and I got to pay my dues for the

867
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,640
next year and then I'm a member 
of the club. 

868
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,520
Like it doesn't, it doesn't work
like you don't have to like 

869
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:48,320
prove that you belong for XYZ 
amount of time, right? 

870
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,160
Your your identity then that's a
good word to you changes 

871
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,400
instantly. 
As far as who God sees you as. 

872
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,040
Yes, pre justification, but 
before that, yeah, you are 

873
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,120
defined by your failures 
actually, because you haven't 

874
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,240
come to Jesus and God still sees
you as a as a broken, rebellious

875
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,080
Sinner. 
But the instant that you that 

876
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,440
you do that moment of 
justification, your identity is 

877
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,280
is changed and you are in that 
instant. 

878
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,920
And I do have I still have notes
leftover from kind of this 

879
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,320
process of sanctification. 
If you need any of those, but 

880
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,120
they're available at the 
connection center. 

881
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,480
In that moment, you are 
sanctified in Christ. 

882
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,320
You, you are simultaneously St. 
and Sinner, right, Because we 

883
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,720
still have the we still have the
pesky flesh. 

884
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,960
I I pointed, I pointed that out 
in the service that we still 

885
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,160
have, we're we're still burdened
by the flesh, even though we 

886
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,400
have the not yet hope of of 
Jesus's perfection. 

887
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,280
But you are sanctified. 
And so in that moment you are 

888
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,880
sanctified. 
It is an ongoing process of 

889
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,680
yeah, I, I kind of Pooh poohed 
it in in the sermon of everyday 

890
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,000
a little more like Jesus, But I 
mean, that's the goal. 

891
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,760
I'm not, I'm not saying that's a
bad thing. 

892
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,040
Great. 
Yes, we should. 

893
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,720
Just when we don't, don't let 
that be failure, that that 

894
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,160
defines you because you are 
already, you're already 

895
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,200
sanctified. 
You're already you have that new

896
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,080
identity in Christ. 
Yeah, justification is an 

897
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,840
instantaneous thing, I think. 
As will glorification. 

898
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,200
Yeah. 
Oh, absolutely. 

899
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,240
Yeah. 
I think what is it? 

900
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,960
The the second after you die is 
the name of the book. 

901
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Yeah. 
And so I mean like the second 

902
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,600
after you die as a believer, 
glorification, like 

903
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,200
instantaneous, right. 
And so. 

904
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,600
But yeah, I love that when we 
talk about it with students, I 

905
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,280
use like a light switch. 
The light is on or off. 

906
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,680
Like there's not an in the 
screen, It's on or off. 

907
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,440
We're not talking about a dimmer
switch here. 

908
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,560
We're talking about it's on or 
it's off. 

909
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,720
This is what justification is. 
And so therefore, in my 

910
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,160
justification, I know that God 
is going to be doing the hard 

911
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,320
work. 
And it's him doing the hard work

912
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,400
because, man, I am IA mess. 
It's going to be God doing the 

913
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,480
hard work of reshaping me and 
molding me and moving me into 

914
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,520
that thing. 
And yeah, I'm going to take some

915
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,160
lumps on the way. 
But the one thing that God would

916
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,400
not want me to do is to become 
so downcast in my soul. 

917
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,800
You've talked about that 
recently. 

918
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,040
To stay in shame, to stay in 
guilt. 

919
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,080
No, like then the enemy wins 
because I have not clearly held 

920
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,960
on to the promise that He gave 
me, which is Jesus Christ has 

921
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,080
come and paid for all of my 
sins. 

922
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,040
And so, man, let me hold on to 
that promise even in my failure.

923
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,880
Yeah, I think that's really 
important at the end of Psalm 51

924
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,280
that we opened up with Dave, 
David's prayer of repentance 

925
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,000
restored to me the joy of my 
salvation. 

926
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,520
I think that is real. 
And I think really the only kind

927
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,440
of Gray area that's left the the
main Gray area in this passage 

928
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:54,040
is how do I know that the spirit
dwells in me? 

929
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,840
Like I'm like, I think because 
within our failures, I think, I 

930
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,920
think that's what's really 
happens. 

931
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,280
Am I actually saved? 
Should I do I feel this way? 

932
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,320
Can I feel this way? 
Should I feel this way if I have

933
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,800
the Spirit of God inside me? 
I think it just spirals us down 

934
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,360
this, this path of lies that 
that the evil one that that 

935
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,040
Satan tries to concoct for us. 
And that's what I tried to draw 

936
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,760
out a little bit of no, if 
you've come to, if you've come 

937
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:31,080
to repentance again, that that 
moment of conversion, if, if 

938
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:36,760
you've come in repentance to 
God, to Jesus professed belief 

939
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,440
and faith in him and that moment
of baptism like those those two 

940
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,280
things, you're, you're sealed 
with the Holy Spirit. 

941
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,920
And again, I try not to paint 
baptism. 

942
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,880
This is where I'm going to go 
and have my misstep in the in 

943
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:58,080
the second service a little bit.
But baptism, yes, capable to 

944
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,560
save, but also not essential for
salvation. 

945
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,880
And that might seem really 
weird, but that's what the Bible

946
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,880
says about it, that baptism now 
saves you in, in Peter's 

947
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,840
writings. 
But also, we have very clear 

948
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,320
examples of thief on the cross, 
Zacchaeus. 

949
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,840
Maybe he was later baptized, but
like Jesus, Jesus tells about 

950
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,640
his conversion and how and how 
he's redeemed and he goes off 

951
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,920
and we never hear about 
Zacchaeus again. 

952
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Like maybe he was baptized at 
some point, but there's no 

953
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,800
biblical account of him being 
baptized and he was presumably 

954
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,520
saved. 
Thief on the cross, Obviously 

955
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,760
there wasn't time for it. 
So like we have illustrations 

956
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,680
and examples of people who were 
redeemed and righteous but not 

957
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,600
baptized. 
And that's where I kind of got 

958
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,920
into the outward expression of 
baptism necessary good. 

959
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,440
Yes, Jesus got baptized. 
There's an outpouring of the 

960
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Holy Spirit for him for for life
and and ministry. 

961
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,360
And it's by the same power of 
the Holy Spirit that he did 

962
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,160
those miracles that like we 
would have as well. 

963
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,680
Second service. 
I said, if Jesus did it, you 

964
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,000
should probably do it. 
And I used that as an example 

965
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000
for baptism. 
And then I tagged on one little 

966
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,520
1 little extra line of, but 
maybe not the cross thing. 

967
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,480
And in the I heard that and in 
in the moment, I thought it was 

968
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,400
funny and made and made sense 
that like just not following the

969
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,280
actual literal example of like, 
don't go hang yourself on the 

970
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,600
cross was what I was literally 
saying in the mind. 

971
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,040
And then like later on, I was 
like, well, but how do we follow

972
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,600
Jesus? 
Well, you take up your cross 

973
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,760
daily and follow me. 
So like I just I wanted to, I 

974
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,800
don't know, admonishment or 
redaction. 

975
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,440
I don't know, I don't know, I 
don't know what that's called. 

976
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,800
I just wanted to clarify what I 
was I was saying don't literally

977
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,440
go hang yourself on a cross 
right now. 

978
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:50,040
But in in the that and and 
whatever that, if that's where 

979
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,000
this life of sanctification 
takes you for the sake of the 

980
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,280
gospel and not living unashamed,
like, yeah, OK, I'm just saying 

981
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,720
like in the same way that, hey, 
you could be baptized tomorrow, 

982
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,040
Don't go jump on a cross 
tomorrow. 

983
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,520
That's just because Jesus did 
it. 

984
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,040
It was like, yeah, it made sense
in my mind in the moment. 

985
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,560
And then I really wish that I 
just hadn't said. 

986
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,960
Anything Well, but you know 
what, you know what, though, The

987
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,120
thing is like sometimes, and and
I'll be I'll be serious about 

988
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,640
this, but you know, sometimes we
do want to do what Jesus does 

989
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,640
right. 
But you know what's never going 

990
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,280
to work? 
What's never going to be the 

991
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:29,000
same? 
We cannot in ourselves atone for

992
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,160
our sins the way that our sins 
were atoned for in his flesh. 

993
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,240
Because that's what we talked 
about last week. 

994
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,760
So you brought it up. 
We were, we were chatting a 

995
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,680
little bit ago. 
Martin Luther used to, like, 

996
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,120
whip himself. 
Yes, that poor man. 

997
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,280
Lived in this tension so much he
thought he had to like, beat his

998
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,920
foot, beat the sinful flesh 
literate to destroy it, to 

999
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,200
destroy a life focused on the 
flesh. 

1000
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:58,320
Yeah, but man, that is not God's
goal for us, is for us to 

1001
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:03,720
literally beat our bodies down 
to nothing as a form of 

1002
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,280
repentance. 
Like, Oh my gosh, that if that's

1003
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,360
the case, what did Jesus die for
then? 

1004
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Come on, Like let's let's just 
think logically here. 

1005
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,680
It's kind of in and through that
that he came to this realization

1006
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,160
that I like. 
This is the only, this is the 

1007
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,440
only way, OK, I'm stuck with 
this flesh and it's going to 

1008
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,280
continue pursuing these things 
that I don't want to pursue. 

1009
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,480
So it has to be something that's
beyond that I can't that I can't

1010
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,920
measure. 
It has to be by the Holy Spirit.

1011
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,120
It has to be by grace through 
faith. 

1012
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,920
And that's kind of how he 
arrived. 

1013
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,240
Take it from. 
Much of Lutheran doctrine. 

1014
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,760
Take it from monk version of 
Martin Luther that beating 

1015
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,800
yourself literally will not take
away or atone for sin and it 

1016
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,440
won't even make you feel any 
better. 

1017
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,480
No, but let me let me go back to
one other thing. 

1018
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,320
How can we know that we have the
Spirit? 

1019
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,800
How can we know? 
Let's let the let's let the 

1020
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:01,960
Bible answer that go to John 
first, John 42 where it says by 

1021
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,920
this, you know, the Spirit of 
God, every spirit that confesses

1022
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,680
that Jesus Christ has come in 
the flesh is from God. 

1023
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,680
So as that is my personal 
conviction that I fully believe 

1024
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,600
and I am fully trusting in Jesus
Christ resurrected Son of God, 

1025
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:25,120
come for me, wretched Sinner 
than I am man, I can only make 

1026
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,120
that confession. 
I can't make that confession. 

1027
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,520
Rather I should say the Holy 
Spirit in me can make that 

1028
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,280
confession. 
And what does what makes me 

1029
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,000
think what does Jesus say to 
Peter when Peter calls mine? 

1030
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,640
He's like, you're the son of 
God, you're the Messiah, blah, 

1031
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,840
blah. 
He's like, oh, you didn't figure

1032
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,840
that out on your own. 
Peter, his cue and his wise as 

1033
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,120
you think you are. 
Guess what? 

1034
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,840
That wasn't you, bud. 
The Holy Spirit did. 

1035
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,720
That for you? 
So, Yep. 

1036
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,400
So as we confess Christ, even in
our failure, if we are still 

1037
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,000
confessing Christ as Lord and 
Savior, Son of God, Messiah, 

1038
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,720
guess what? 
Spirit's still there. 

1039
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,720
Because you can't do that on 
your own. 

1040
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,000
Yeah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah. 
You can't do it. 

1041
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,880
And that's really, that's really
the point of. 

1042
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,080
Of what? 
Yeah, what Sunday was you can't,

1043
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,000
we can't do it on our own for 
all of our longings and 

1044
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,840
yearnings. 
That's that's still a mindset on

1045
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,200
the foot. 
It still comes back to Jesus. 

1046
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,000
We just need, we just need more 
Jesus. 

1047
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:34,160
And I am going to try as best I 
can to, to model a life more so 

1048
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,280
that's just so wholly focused on
and rooted in and hopeful in 

1049
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,120
what he's done each and every 
day, all the more, more of him, 

1050
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,000
less of me. 
Like it's, it's, it's in there. 

1051
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,480
It's all in there. 
I just, I don't know, I had a 

1052
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,920
lightning bolt moment this week,
too, of just not trying to prop 

1053
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,920
up my own hopes and not trying 
to be so low in my own failures.

1054
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,560
It's only by the blood. 
That's what I've got. 

1055
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,080
Yeah, I like it. 
Amen. 

1056
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,080
I like. 
It we're going to wrap there. 

1057
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,040
Thanks for tuning in leftovers, 
fam. 

1058
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,880
We're going to get some T-shirts
made-up. 

1059
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,000
I was I was wearing the the logo
shirt this week. 

1060
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,000
So we'll have some ERC leftovers
shirts available at the at the 

1061
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,440
merch racks at church. 
So you can be on the lookout for

1062
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,880
those if you want to wrap the 
pod share with someone. 

1063
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,560
Thanks for all of you who are 
weekly listeners. 

1064
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,120
There's there's upwards of 50 of
you, which is still just pretty 

1065
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,400
amazing to me as far as like in 
person versus those who come 

1066
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,200
back for more. 
So good to see that this is 

1067
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,160
still helpful and enjoyable for 
a lot of you. 

1068
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,560
We still enjoy doing it and 
yeah, so happy to have you as 

1069
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,640
part of our church community for
His glory and our good. 

1070
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:45,920
Have a blessed week.
