1 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Happy Monday. We're back in with the ERC 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,560 Leftovers podcast. Fall is here. 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,440 It's it's official. Maybe not official, but. 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,440 I mean, yeah, you're right. But like weather wise, this is I 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,600 don't know how many episodes it was ago that we talked about 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,760 like our ideal climate. This wake up and it's 55° 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,960 outside on its way up to 70 is like for me that's prime. 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,080 It's so good. I mean, yeah, like, you wake up 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,600 and you had the windows open all night. 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,280 You didn't have to have the air conditioning or the heat on and 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,320 it feels crisp and cool and nice in the house and Oh my gosh, 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,360 it's just wonderful. Yeah, so great weekend. 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,480 I think I hadn't had a good weekend. 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,640 Wonderful gathering Sunday morning. 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:07,400 I thought your message keeping us on track in Acts and it's an 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,280 interesting balance. I feel like 'cause you said you 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:19,320 spoke harshly at points yesterday, but God speaks 18 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,960 harshly to his people. Like, and I, I think you 19 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,800 handled, you handled it well and you didn't necessarily do like 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,320 the cookie sandwich thing where it was like bad news, good news 21 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:33,800 bad or like, or, or you didn't wrap the bad news in the middle 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,880 of two good news things necessarily to make it more 23 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,720 palatable. You just kind of, you said it 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:47,360 like it is and I think it, it and I, I agreed it's something 25 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,160 that we're called to. We're not, we're not called to 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:58,320 sloth and laziness or just like whatever incompetence as people 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,520 like we're we're not, that's not, that's not where we should 28 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,920 end up. And thereby in our parenting or 29 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,400 even even our mentoring, even even day jobs or companies or 30 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,760 things that like you want employees, you want Co workers 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,000 that strive with the same tenacity that you do right? 32 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,440 And I think God, God wants that and doesn't want the lukewarm, 33 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,000 doesn't want half hearted. Even Paul, we've seen it a 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,960 couple different Times Now, he was sold that even when he was 35 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,680 against God, he was all sold out. 36 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,760 He was all in against God too. So no, I appreciated your 37 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,200 message on the conviction that we should have in our faith and 38 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,160 our choices, but also the because of who we belong to, 39 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:53,160 because of our security in God's sovereignty, in that the storms 40 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,760 are not something to shy away from either. 41 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,440 So, but you spoke well yesterday. 42 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:58,920 Thanks. Thanks for that. 43 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,720 I, I will tell you that we, we kind of had this conversation in 44 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,160 Bible study yesterday prior to our, you know, corporate 45 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:11,800 gathering, which is I, I, I want to receive what you just said 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,600 and I, and I will, but like, honestly, like, I feel like if I 47 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,720 feel like when, when pastors or preachers maybe like take more 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,160 credit than they should, I think it's wrong. 49 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,960 And I do think you are taking more credit than you should. 50 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,960 And here's why. Because I, I might have some 51 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,080 mildly original thoughts, but all of my material is completely 52 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,000 decided and none of it has to do with any of my cleverness. 53 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,960 You know what I mean? So like, if I write an original 54 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,360 fiction book, sure, cool, I can take credit for some of those 55 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,240 ideas and whatever. But like, the Bible is just the 56 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,640 most magnificent story and history and poetry and all these 57 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,440 different genres that the Bible is, it's the most magnificent 58 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,920 book on the planet. Even if you're not a Christian, 59 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,880 you, you should look at the Bible as a whole and say this 60 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,600 book is fantastic. Yeah. 61 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,320 So yeah, I just think, and I tell people this, we have the 62 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,640 best material on the planet to work with in terms of like 63 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,040 teaching and preaching. And so, yeah, I just, I look at 64 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,840 the the material we have and I just go, this is amazing stuff. 65 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,840 And if the sermon is bad, it's not because the material isn't 66 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:28,800 interesting, it's because I'm not good. 67 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,200 Like, let's be honest, it's like a history teacher. 68 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,040 I always thought, I always thought that history should be 69 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,800 like the best class besides like art or gym or whatever, you 70 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,960 know, because like history is not boring. 71 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:45,880 You can make it boring in your presentation, but it's not 72 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,880 boring. The, the, the onus is on the 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,440 speaker. You know, if it's terrible, 74 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,360 that's that's your fault. Because this history is like 75 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,480 when kids study like World War 2, for example, like that should 76 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,280 be exciting and interesting and engaging. 77 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,720 If you make that boring, you're just bad at what you do. 78 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,640 That's quite honestly, you're not good at it. 79 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,000 So God's word is such that if you fail, it's your Yeah. 80 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,920 It's on you. I think that's on the preacher 81 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,280 like because the material's great. 82 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,840 So that's that's on the preacher, so. 83 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,840 I appreciate that perspective. Yeah, and that's why I like I, 84 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,160 I, you know, that's why I think like, it is important to 85 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,720 critique. Like, constructively speaking, 86 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,880 it is important to critique, you know, pastors and stuff and how 87 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,960 they bring a message just because, like, dude, come on, 88 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,080 you've got the best material on the planet and you're putting 89 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,680 people to sleep. What are you doing? 90 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Because this material is great. No, that's fair. 91 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,640 That's fair assessment. But Despite that, yeah, I don't 92 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,160 think you failed yesterday. I I had one. 93 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,840 Better way to say. I had I'll, I'll just name her. 94 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,320 Shannon came up to me and she's really funny. 95 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,440 I, I, I, and she's not the first person who said something like 96 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,480 this to me. She's like, and she smiled and 97 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,760 she laughed and she said, Pastor Chris, that didn't suck. 98 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Wow, yeah. And I was like, wow, huge praise 99 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,800 coming from Shannon. So that's, that's great. 100 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,440 I had somebody else say something similar to me like a 101 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,520 year or two ago and she's like, I'll just let you know. 102 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,640 If you didn't bomb, how about that? 103 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,480 Like, OK cool, thanks. Well, we are the next couple 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:34,120 weeks will be recorded episodes both for your vacation and Labor 105 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Day and then we are going to Church Leaders Summit in 106 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,680 Jacksonville Church of the oh man Church of the 1122. 107 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,280 That's what it is. Yeah, Church of the 1122 Joby 108 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,960 Martin lead pastor there. But they have a church leaders 109 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:55,680 summit for all sorts of ministry volunteer systems things. 110 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,080 You and me and Christian are all going to that. 111 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,720 So the first couple Mondays in September will be recorded Ask 112 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,240 me anything episodes. We already have one of them 113 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,200 recorded and ready to go. We'll we'll track a second one. 114 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,480 Just have a couple hours worth of us answering your questions. 115 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,640 We've continued to get questions from you and we're also going to 116 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,920 use some of them to fill the early part of these regular 117 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:26,360 podcasts too. This question we got and I just 118 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,600 it sounds weird to say, but from a production just like 119 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,840 everything going off without a hitch sort of way. 120 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,960 Yesterday, like yesterday was a good day for me. 121 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,400 I feel like there there wasn't, there were very few fires to put 122 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,640 out. The fires that were wrong or or 123 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,560 went wrong were usually just like a click of a button or 124 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,520 something or they were very minor details. 125 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,000 But so I wanted to ask this question that we got in last 126 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,040 week too. I'm blown away each service with 127 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,640 the talent of the worship teams. Could you give some insight as 128 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,600 to how the members prepare for each service? 129 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,200 Are they self-taught? Are they currently taking or 130 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,000 giving music lessons? When you practice, how is 131 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,120 practice run? So many combinations of the team 132 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,160 and all the people and they all work so well together. 133 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Do they practice on their own or do you all practice together and 134 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,760 then assign A-Team for each Sunday? 135 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Kudos to the whole team, I think they're phenomenal. 136 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,520 Oh my gosh, so whoever asked that question, like they are 137 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,680 spot on. I, I, you know, 'cause you, you. 138 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,679 And it's, it's not like you have to have like an entire band to 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,919 have like a good worship service from the perspective of music, 140 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,679 right? You can have like you can sing 141 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,720 hymns with a piano and it can be amazing and moving and really 142 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,440 special. But when you put in as many 143 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,960 different elements as you do here at ERC and it still comes 144 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,400 off like amazing and not cluttered. 145 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,640 And I it is, it is phenomenal like we are. 146 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,120 So it, this word gets used too much, but in this case, it's 147 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,600 true. We are so blessed to have the 148 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,840 the the team and the talent that we do, and that doesn't that 149 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,600 doesn't happen by accident, sure. 150 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,960 Yeah, I've, I've poured a lot of intentionality into crafting and 151 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,880 leading the worship ministry as it is. 152 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:25,440 So that's, that's part of it. And I do think you need to have 153 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,760 a leader and even someone who's pastoring people well in order 154 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,800 to develop that. But the other part is the is the 155 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,360 response. And I, I could be wrong and 156 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,360 there's definitely like motivational speakers and things 157 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,560 that could maybe fight this perspective, but I've always 158 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:51,680 kind of held to I, I can't teach passion like I can't, I can't 159 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:57,880 teach even the volunteers on the worship team how to care more 160 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,720 about their gifts or how well they prepare. 161 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,480 The that's that's largely on the inside of a person. 162 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,680 And I think more than just worship team like that in 163 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,680 general, that character trait in general. 164 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,280 There's a business cliche. Like you don't. 165 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,800 The most successful companies don't. 166 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,960 It's not that they learn how to motivate people. 167 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,000 They hire motivated people as it's kind of the same thing, 168 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,440 like you can't teach motivation people who either have 169 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,120 motivation or they find motivation or they just don't 170 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,440 have it. So part of that blessing is the 171 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,400 the drive. Yeah. 172 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,240 So in that sense it is on the individuals. 173 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:43,840 I think some of the more we we have different levels of 174 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,960 involvement and some people are more regularly involved. 175 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,920 Some people play more instruments and thing, but 176 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,520 that's largely that's largely on them how how much they've 177 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,760 decided to pursue that passion or that aspect of their 178 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,240 giftings. And then my job and it is to 179 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,880 coordinate how that all works together or or how it works well 180 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,360 to create powerful moments in worship, in music to then bless 181 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,160 the congregation, to encourage the congregation in that. 182 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,440 So I have to, I have to coordinate those things, sure, 183 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:17,760 and that and that takes planning. 184 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:25,400 But behind the scenes stuff, I usually get the worship set list 185 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,960 out to the teams like 10 days before a service. 186 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,080 And it's not eventually, although volunteers like do kind 187 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,960 of know all the songs, but we don't practice with all the 188 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,240 volunteers and then whittle down for Sunday. 189 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:45,320 It's whatever whatever team is that Sunday, they practiced the 190 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,760 preceding Wednesday four days beforehand. 191 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Like we had a midweek rehearsal, and then they practice Sunday 192 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,640 morning as well for the service. So everyone kind of has to know 193 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,280 all the songs, but we're only doing it with combinations of 194 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,560 seven, 8-9 people in the band at a time, something like that. 195 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,400 And then I just have to coordinate, OK, Grace is leading 196 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,760 this song this week, Shannon's leading this song this week, 197 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,200 Ellie's leading this song. Like whatever it may be, that 198 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,960 plan goes out and those singers prepare to lead that song. 199 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,280 Lead guitarist just learns the lead guitar parts and the 200 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,000 drummer has their parts and the bassist is like all the 201 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,320 instrumentalists. We're to the point, and this 202 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,800 wasn't where this ministry was seven years ago, but we're to 203 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,400 the point where, yeah, most of the musicians are to the point 204 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,320 of you're either being self-taught or to the point 205 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,160 where if there's new songs, yeah, they self teach them the 206 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,480 new songs. Based on the systems I've kind 207 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,680 of set in place, I get out music and a MP3 recording that's close 208 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:48,600 to how I think we should do the song in the worship service. 209 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,160 And it's in the right key. It's it's in the key that will 210 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,000 play it in for singability. And so the congregation can sing 211 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,640 along too. And largely they prep on their 212 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,600 own. We put the pieces together at 213 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,720 the midweek rehearsal, do that again Sunday morning. 214 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,520 And that's that's how it comes out. 215 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,000 So it's just a drive of excellence in preparation 216 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,040 amongst these individuals that then get coordinated on a team 217 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,680 week to week. I think one of the interesting 218 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:18,560 things too is that, and you know, again, you have to, I hope 219 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:23,760 you can receive that well. Every good leader, every 220 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,640 successful leader of people, they have high expectations. 221 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,760 And so, you know, if you, if you have a certain amount of talent, 222 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,280 let's say musically within your church already, and you say, 223 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,840 well, we're, we're already pretty good. 224 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,280 So like, let's just all meet up on Sunday and it's going to work 225 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,680 out fine. Like no, like you build in you 226 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:47,960 in particular, you've built in these expectations of, you know, 227 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,840 what if like this isn't a passion for you like you talked 228 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,120 about, and it's not something that you enjoy and pursue doing 229 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,000 even when I'm not asking you to. Like I, I don't know how well 230 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,520 you'll ultimately, and I might be wrong here, but I don't know 231 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,120 how well you'll ultimately function within this group of 232 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,120 very talented people because talent alone is maybe not 233 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,680 enough. Like you have to have a passion. 234 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:16,840 You have to want to work towards being better at it every single 235 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,160 week. And I, and from my perspective, 236 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,400 which again, I think everybody knows, I have nothing to do with 237 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,160 any of this, but I am a receiver of the good work of other 238 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,000 people. And I watch, I watch so many 239 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,480 people as I'm in the office or in the building all week long. 240 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,560 I watch so many people come in and out and they're just 241 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,520 practicing on their own. And it's, and I'm not even going 242 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,160 to name any of them because they probably wouldn't want that, but 243 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,600 like to see them taking their free time and using that passion 244 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,360 like when nobody, nobody knows, like they're not getting quote 245 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,440 UN quote like credit for that time. 246 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,800 They just want to be prepared and they want to be as great as 247 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,360 they can be on Sunday, not for their own sake, because that's 248 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,880 really where the heart of our worship team is. 249 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,520 It's not for their own sake and for everybody to pat them on the 250 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,160 back. It is so that people can worship 251 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,280 in freedom. And there aren't these hiccups 252 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,880 in these like weird, odd moments of like, oh man, I forgot this 253 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,560 part. And so like, now it throws 254 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,320 everybody. No, like people prepare well 255 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,360 because they want us to be able to worship well. 256 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,280 And there is then that built in accountability on the teams to, 257 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,680 of wanting their parts polished enough and prepared enough 258 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,320 because there's others that their their parts are going to 259 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,360 be ready, their part, their parts are good and excellent. 260 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,400 So I don't want to take too much credit in that realm either. 261 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,240 I understand that I'm the leader and and maybe some of the 262 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,160 excellence, an example and some of those things are, are coming 263 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,760 down. But we're also blessed here by 264 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,440 people that have, as you described, responded with that 265 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,080 initiative to, to take their own time to prepare and be 266 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,440 meticulous about it. I often, well, I don't, I don't 267 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,520 have music in front of me on Sunday mornings. 268 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:12,360 And that's largely that's the level of preparation that I'm 269 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,440 comfortable with more for a Worshipful spirit in myself. 270 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,440 If I'm not thinking about chord changes or what the next words 271 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,600 are, if those are just internalized and a part of me, 272 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,040 like that's how, that's how I can worship or lead worship more 273 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:36,040 freely if I'm not caught up in the minutiae of that of, of 274 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,640 exactly what it is. So that's a lot of the behind 275 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,360 the scenes stuff. I also I shared this with JT, 276 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,800 our production lead and he had some thoughts on production too, 277 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,800 or at least the stuff in the booth. 278 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,880 Preparing for the production side of things is different than 279 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,920 the band member. It's details, making sure 280 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:03,440 everything and anything from the iPads are charged at the sound 281 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,160 system is working to how the slideshow, the words, lyrics are 282 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,720 built out. So he says I'm always learning 283 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,960 and striving to be better, figuring out ways that are 284 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,800 better that we could do things. Many great worship directors and 285 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,040 production leaders post helpful information on social media and 286 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,880 YouTube. Grateful for the talent of our 287 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,440 worship team at ERC. It makes my job easier in the 288 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,119 booth. Being able to provide an 289 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,240 experience to the congregation is very rewarding and an act of 290 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,840 worship in itself. Practice happens together and 291 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,480 individually. We expect our time together to 292 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,320 be not so much of what I am place, what I am playing versus 293 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,800 a how we do our parts together, how our parts come together. 294 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,280 I think the level of accountability behold of each 295 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,920 other help set expectations of where we want to be as a team 296 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,320 and where we want to continue to go. 297 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,640 So all that is to say, summarizing his thoughts, the 298 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,440 the preparation of the worship team, the band members, the 299 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,040 instrumentalists and the vocalists, that makes the the 300 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,680 production side of things for the for the booth. 301 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,320 As far as how Florida State the slides go out or service 302 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,080 transitions or technology things. 303 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,920 The preparation of the band makes that job easier, but also 304 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:24,200 the the readiness of the production team to navigate 305 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,520 whatever little instrumental snafus or a microphone that your 306 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,800 your greatest fear, the microphone that doesn't work. 307 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,480 I'm so afraid of it all the time. 308 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,240 They're, they're almost on like they're almost on red alert, 309 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,880 like on call troubleshooting all the time back there too, just to 310 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,840 make sure things go smoothly. And those things need to kind of 311 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,240 work in concert together. So JT especially and, and the 312 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,520 volunteers in the tech booth like they are, they are largely 313 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,520 self-taught on a lot of this technology things. 314 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,840 YouTube's a great resource, social media followers and 315 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,520 things just for how especially in our kind of smaller room and 316 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,240 we have an odd shaped room like the this isn't really how you 317 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,720 would build out an auditorium. It wouldn't be flat, it would be 318 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:16,120 sloped, it wouldn't be boxy. Several things about that room 319 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:19,480 are just we, we work with what we have and it's fine and it's 320 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,720 great. And I actually, I love that room 321 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,360 despite its lack of, it's not the way you'd audio engineer a 322 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:27,760 room. Like it's an architecturally 323 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,880 build out a room. It's fine. 324 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,840 It's great for our own purposes. But that presents a unique set 325 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,280 of challenges too, for JT to, to process how the sound moves in 326 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,960 this shoe box of a room. So yeah, lots, lots of things 327 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,120 with that. And JT too has just kind of dove 328 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,800 headlong into this. And the things that he learns he 329 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,080 tries to pass on to the rest of the volunteers. 330 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,680 So they're on the same page, but he's, he's done a lot of extra 331 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,000 work that you probably wouldn't guess or experience or, or even 332 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,280 know that he's just embedded this knowledge and in himself 333 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:08,480 of, of how to not make a kick drum sound really harsh or too 334 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,360 boomy. Like he, he's got it equalized. 335 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:15,200 He's got it mixed to the point that that it sounds really good 336 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,560 in the room or or the right time to use. 337 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,040 Reverb on voices or or or other things he's he's very hands on 338 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,680 in how he does stuff. So but that has to work in if 339 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,720 he's doing all those things but the band just doesn't sound 340 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,880 good, then it still doesn't work. 341 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,560 He can he can, he can try to work all the miracles that he 342 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,200 can, but if the musicians aren't prepared, he Can't Sing the 343 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,720 melody for him or he can't play the guitar solo or, or whatever 344 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,760 it is. So yeah, it's cool to see those 345 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,040 teams of people. And like he said, even the 346 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,560 minimizing distractions kind of the the excellence in production 347 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,520 aspect of it too. And it's not even a stylistic 348 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,240 thing because again, I think like you said, hymns can be done 349 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,240 well, they can be done excellently. 350 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,520 I'm not saying our style of worship here is superior to 351 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,040 others, but there are a lot more moving parts with with how we do 352 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,240 it. But that also leads to more 353 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,320 people being involved and and Ian and serving on on how that's 354 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,080 done. So long winded a lot of 355 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,600 discussion to answer that question, but I think it's one 356 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,200 that maybe more more than just that person wonder and maybe 357 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,560 just don't articulate that question all the time or ask 358 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,680 that question all the time. So that's that's how prep for 359 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,920 Sunday's worship sets go. Yeah. 360 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,080 And here's the thing, like even hearing you talk about this or 361 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,760 seeing JT in the building, like, again, when nobody else is going 362 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,840 to know that this guy is grinding and working at, you 363 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,560 know, levels of perfection from a perspective like mine where, 364 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,080 again, I don't really know much about the intricacies of music 365 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,360 or production. But here's what I do know from 366 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,200 somebody with that perspective. I know when something sounds 367 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,400 bad. I know when something's not 368 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,040 working. I may not, I may not be able to 369 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,720 name what it is that's wrong, but I can tell you that there's 370 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,680 something wrong here and it's it's not coming off right. 371 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,560 And so, I mean, like the people who are so keyed into those 372 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:19,240 details that I could never name, but it, it creates, it creates 373 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,560 excellence. Man, my hat's off to all of 374 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,600 them. Like, honestly, it's, it's so 375 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,960 impressive what you guys do on any given week. 376 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:32,440 And yeah, I, I hope that, I hope we never take that for granted. 377 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,720 You know, I hope we never just look at that and go, well, 378 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,720 that's just, you know, that's just what we do is fine. 379 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,720 Like, come on. Like the number of hours that 380 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,560 are put into any service to, to make that come off without a 381 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,720 hitch. It's a fantastic number of 382 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,960 hours, Yeah. Well, thanks man. 383 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,840 And it's, yeah, truly for me sounds cliche, but it's, it's a 384 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,440 blessing to work with the people in that ministry that we have 385 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,520 here. And just the, I mean, I do feel 386 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,360 a general passion and excitement around our worship ministry 387 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:06,080 here, the band here, and just people's people's connection to 388 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:07,760 that. It's a, it's a blessing to 389 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,960 minister and encourage in that way, in, in a way that we can 390 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,200 make songs unique in our own or at least have our people 391 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,080 attached to them. So yeah, it's great. 392 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,560 Yeah, I love that one. One thing maybe real quick as an 393 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,200 aside, you, you know, you kind of started this conversation by 394 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,000 talking about you can't really teach passion, You can't teach 395 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,600 motivation. I I think there's, I think 396 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,480 there's something similar to even even talking or teaching. 397 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,240 OK, so I, I've sat down with people and like, I have like a, 398 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,400 a pretty general process. I used to prepare to speak, 399 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,320 right? And so I can, I can walk 400 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,280 somebody through like, here's how I'm going to, here's the 401 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,200 lens with which I'm going to look through this text and hear 402 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,000 the things I'm trying to draw out of it or like help us see. 403 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,880 And I, I can teach people my like process, for example, how 404 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,240 I'm going to, how I'm going to prepare for that. 405 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,440 But you know what? I could never teach anybody. 406 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,760 I could never teach anybody like to be excited to talk about 407 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,680 God's word. I can't teach you that. 408 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,960 So like, for example, I, I, I understand because I've listened 409 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,160 to myself enough Times Now that like, like I, I get loud 410 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,520 sometimes and I kind of joke like I come off like a coach at 411 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,280 halftime whose team is down. Like, so there's, there's a 412 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,320 level of like kind of passion there. 413 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,240 But you know what I don't do? I don't, I don't go, you know 414 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,600 what I'm going to do at this point? 415 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,080 I'm going to raise my volume. No, that's like, that's just a 416 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,720 heart position of like being passionate about what we're 417 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,320 talking about in God's Word. And yeah, you can't teach those 418 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,720 things. So if you're kind of like a very 419 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,720 level, very calm person, which some of my favorite pastors that 420 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,880 I listen to are, are like that and I'm not. 421 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,280 And I had to eventually be OK with that because I kind of 422 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,640 wanted to like be like them, like stylistically, but it just 423 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,680 didn't you, it didn't ring true. And so like that's those kind of 424 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,360 passion things. You you're right. 425 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:18,800 You just cannot teach them. Yeah, no, I think that's, I 426 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,960 think that's a big part of it. And fortunately the yeah, I 427 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,840 think the sincerity of heart and that heart posture of worship we 428 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,560 start, I guess I left out maybe the biggest, maybe the biggest 429 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080 part, even before the musical aspect. 430 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:42,040 It, it starts with individual relationship with God like these 431 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:49,240 individuals relationships with God relating to a life of 432 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,680 worship, which then informs how they how their involvement on 433 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,200 worship team here and then how they lead on worship on Sunday 434 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,240 mornings. No one's up there really faking 435 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,600 this or, or or being a, an actor or a character in in a play or 436 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,080 something like we're not, we're not putting on a performance or 437 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,680 pretending to be something that they aren't. 438 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,520 There's a level of sincerity and genuineness of heart in these 439 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,080 worship leaders lives. I'm not trying to put them on a 440 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,480 pedestal as being like the best Christians at church. 441 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,920 I'm not I'm not saying that. But that's where it starts to 442 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:34,840 the faithfulness from them to to be in God's word, to be in 443 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,760 relationship with God to even to your sermon on the on the stormy 444 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,160 days in the stormy days, I've shared maybe sometimes that it 445 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,200 just felt less than that morning. 446 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,240 It wasn't, it wasn't a typical Sunday, wasn't as jazz as usual 447 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,400 to just be at church and do that. 448 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,920 So another part of it that we do each each and every week at our 449 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Wednesday rehearsals, we use this book called Before we 450 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,040 Gather and it's a it's a worship devotional, 52 week worship 451 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320 devotional by Zach Hicks. He's a worship pastor in 452 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,520 Florida. He wrote the book literally 453 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,080 called the worship pastor. But his, his teaching and his 454 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,960 theology of worship has informed much of my learning and an 455 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,280 execution of, of theology of worship. 456 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,560 And this has just been a cool. He has like 6 points of prayer 457 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,400 just generally for our worship teams to be praying for the 458 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,520 congregation. But then each week within each 459 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,160 devotional, there's three like specific things to pray over and 460 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,920 for that week. And we always, I always kind of 461 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,520 made a point to start, we start our rehearsal time together. 462 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,920 That starts in the in the word. There's always a devotional 463 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,760 there. We always start rooted in the 464 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,160 word. We're not just ripping off 465 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,240 songs. That's that's where our practice 466 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,520 time starts. But it's also that's a personal 467 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,680 aspect of their lives too, so. Man, that is such a cool 468 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440 insight. No, I mean, I think that's so 469 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,560 awesome. Like, hey, we don't just come 470 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320 and practice songs. Like we're diving into the word 471 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,440 together and we're and we're thinking through the deeper 472 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,560 things of how do we bless and honor God's name even when we're 473 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,160 not singing? Oh my gosh, that is so cool. 474 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,480 That is. Awesome. 475 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,440 It has to be though. And I that's. 476 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,680 You you say it has to be, but I think that there are like high 477 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,120 level musicians even within Christianity who like you can 478 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,400 just kind of tell it's a performance for them. 479 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,840 It's not felt and and it's, it's hard to put your finger exactly 480 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,680 on what that is until you see it. 481 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,040 And and when you see it, you're like, oh, they're putting on 482 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,520 quite a show and show meaning like this. 483 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,720 They're not experiencing this. They're they're doing this to 484 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200 like, yeah, I think that's so awesome that you guys do that. 485 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,400 That's incredible. And man, I just, I, I can't say 486 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440 enough good things about that. I'm kind of blown away. 487 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,320 That's so cool. I'm glad, yeah. 488 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520 And I hope that's encouraging to hear the they care. 489 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,840 They definitely care. If you can't tell the worship 490 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,400 ministry, those worship leaders, it's a valuable part of their 491 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,120 relationship and they're they're ecstatic to give and encourage 492 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,640 and serve in that way week after week. 493 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,320 It's really makes my job a joy. So, all right, we were in a 494 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,560 large part of Acts 27 yesterday. You took about half the chapter. 495 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,240 Where are we going? Do you want to dive into deeper 496 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,680 details on 20 through 38? Are we winding back the clock to 497 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,320 the first part of Acts 27? Where would you like to dive in? 498 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,200 Let's see what I did there. Yeah. 499 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960 Shipwreck of a passage. Yes, yes, exactly. 500 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,040 No, I think I think we can spend at least a little time on the 501 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,720 front end of chapter 27, which again, if you went back and read 502 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,960 it as I suggested, hope you did that. 503 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,560 But even if you didn't on the front end, there's a lot of like 504 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,080 very particular details. But what I love seeing in this 505 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:19,000 is that like Luke, as the author of the book of Acts, the early 506 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,000 church history, he says we and us throughout this text. 507 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,200 And what's interesting about that is that so Paul, for 508 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,240 example, like they have not convicted him of anything. 509 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,200 It's been multiple years of conversations and these like 510 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,040 so-called trials and whatever, they still have yet to be able 511 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,040 to convict him of anything. So therefore they have to by law 512 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,400 give him as much freedom as they can give anybody who is being 513 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,200 held. So like if you think about a 514 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,360 person who's being held before or trial, they're put if they 515 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,280 haven't posted bail, they're in prison. 516 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,400 They don't have a lot of freedoms like they have to just 517 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,040 like every other prisoner who has been convicted of whatever. 518 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,440 Like you get maybe a phone call every so often. 519 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160 You get this every so often. They can't do that to Paul. 520 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,280 He So therefore he has these travel companions who get to be 521 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760 with him all the time and he still has his friends around. 522 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,760 And that doesn't make, by the way, don't hear me say that. 523 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,760 That makes like his, you know, time in captivity. 524 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,840 Awesome. That's terrible, right? 525 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,800 It's still terrible. His freedom has still been taken 526 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,320 away. He still has no choice as to 527 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,360 where he's going or when he's going, you know, all that kind 528 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,920 of stuff. But like, I think it's so cool 529 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:38,200 that like we get a first hand eyewitness account of these 530 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,720 things that are happening. It's not, hey, Paul met Luke in 531 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,520 Rome after the fact. And then he's kind of like 532 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,400 recounting like, oh, this is what happened on the ship. 533 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,400 It was pretty rough. No, like Luke was there the 534 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,880 entire time. And scholars will point out the 535 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,800 fact that when the ship, you know, in in the midst of the 536 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,440 storm, everything is going wrong. 537 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,680 And they have a certain number of sailors of on there, of 538 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,520 course. But like, it is highly probable 539 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,840 that Luke himself and others had to put in a lot of work to keep 540 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,000 the ship together. So they're, they're working on 541 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,720 the ship even though they're not sailors, but the sailors are 542 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,240 probably coordinating, telling them like, no, you throw this 543 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,360 over and you grab this hoist and you do this and you do this 544 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,640 because like the it's just, it is a wild ride. 545 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,480 One of the things that I don't think I was able to bring out 546 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,400 enough yesterday is like they're facing what's called a 547 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,560 Nor'easter. So this is a major, incredibly 548 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,160 large, violent storm. And what's also interesting is, 549 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,560 yeah, we're in the kind of season or time of year when 550 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,920 that's more typical in the Mediterranean Sea. 551 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,080 But like the way it's described in in what ultimately happens to 552 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,240 the ship, it's still unusual. This was an unusually violent 553 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,480 storm. And the fact that it lasted 554 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,080 multiple weeks. So we get this detail that there 555 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,800 were days on end where they didn't see sun, moon or stars. 556 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,720 So like this, this storm literally just completely 557 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,840 encompassed them. And you look at that and if 558 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,720 you're paying close attention, you're like, that's just not 559 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,680 normal for a storm to stay right over the top of a boat for that 560 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,400 many weeks in a row. That's not normal. 561 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,120 Like there's clearly something supernatural happening here. 562 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,760 And so that draws us back into why does God allow this kind of 563 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,280 stuff? Like why would he, why would he 564 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,000 do this or why would he allow it if he's not the one actively 565 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,640 doing it, right? And then you get into some 566 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,600 bigger, broader questions that I think we started to answer 567 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,160 yesterday. But you know, I just look at the 568 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240 beginning of Acts chapter 27, see the details in it and and 569 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,440 it's so interesting. Yeah, and even to your just the 570 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:52,480 severity of this storm to your point there verse 7, the wind 571 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,680 not permitting us to proceed that that idea of not seeing sun 572 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,680 or moon or stars for days. There's even Paul's writing the 573 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,120 wind not permitting us to proceed. 574 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,040 That's not that's not a thing that like is normal, right? 575 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,920 So, yeah, some of these things, just the extremity of the storm 576 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:23,320 and the peril, Paul says, to the crew versus 9 and 10. 577 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,159 Paul advised them saying, man, I perceive that this voyage will 578 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,719 end with disaster and much loss not only of the cargo and the 579 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,719 ship, but also our lives. That's Paul's reaction to this 580 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,639 ongoing storm. Not really halftime pep talk, 581 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,320 sort of like that's usually what you do. 582 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,719 Hey, guys, we're down by a billion. 583 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,560 We're just, we're, we're just going to sit here and lose and 584 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,920 die. And that's that's just the 585 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,880 state. And yet, and you kind of talked 586 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,640 about, I think we're going to head this way. 587 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,680 Paul perceived that the voyage will end with disaster and much 588 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,400 loss, not only the ship but also our lives. 589 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,400 And yet, what was their decision? 590 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Their decision was to press on. Do it anyway, right? 591 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,120 Do it. Anyway, it's it's going to be 592 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,000 fine. Yeah. 593 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,960 So nevertheless the Centurion verses 11 and 12 was more 594 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,240 persuaded by the helmsman and the owner of the ship and by the 595 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:27,360 things Paul spoke of. So maybe not proceeding for 596 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,880 great reasons not certainly not leaning on the sovereignty of 597 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,520 God right in in the moment there other excuses in verse 12 the 598 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,800 harbor was not suitable to winter in the majority of the 599 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,560 sailors advised him to set on also so taken by a vote over the 600 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:53,920 crew they decided to sail on despite Paul saying I believe in 601 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,080 God and trust in his sovereignty. 602 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,760 We're all going to die, but. Well, The thing is though, you 603 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,280 know, from a very practical human perspective, I, I do kind 604 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,000 of get it. Who are you going to listen to? 605 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,120 Are you going to listen to the Jewish teacher, Rabbi, you know, 606 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,280 or are you going to listen to the sailors who do this for a 607 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,960 living? So from that perspective I can I 608 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,440 can give them a pass a little bit and say but but then again, 609 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,160 the scholars tell us that up to this point Paul has travelled 610 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,440 some 3500 miles across the sea, back and forth, back and forth. 611 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,280 And so. Though he's not sailor by trade, 612 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,600 his experience? It's it's nearly unrivaled 613 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,040 unless you are in fact a sailor. It'd be like, OK, so maybe 614 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,200 modern day example. So I might not be an over the 615 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,720 road trucker, but what if I drive, you know, 40,000 miles a 616 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,400 year across the United States for my job in a normal car? 617 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,760 Sure, I don't know how to maybe move the boat the way that you 618 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,920 do, but I understand traffic. I understand road conditions, I 619 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,720 understand weather patterns. I get all of those things about 620 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,560 moving through this space. And so like, yeah, I, I would 621 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,120 tell you that like his opinion, although valid, it's just not 622 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,400 heard because he doesn't have the title. 623 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,640 He's not the professional, Yeah. Yep. 624 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,520 So, but it's, you know, whatever they, they still manage somehow, 625 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,720 I guess. Yeah, if if total loss of the 626 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,640 ship and all the cargo and everything in it. 627 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,320 And you know, if, if that's a win, I guess, I guess that's 628 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,960 what we got. Yeah, Yeah. 629 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:38,040 So throughout the rest of this, we see kind of versus 13141516 630 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:44,040 up to where you started in 20, the storm is happening. 631 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,560 They're throwing things overboard, they're trying to 632 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,760 lighten the ship. There's verse 15 is it could not 633 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,000 head into the wind. So we let her drive. 634 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,600 They're just letting where the ship will go, it will go and and 635 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,720 doing that. Then verse 20, kind of where you 636 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:06,760 started yesterday when neither sun nor stars appeared for many 637 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,280 days and no small Tempest beat on us, all hope that we would be 638 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,960 saved was finally given up. Can you imagine, Can you imagine 639 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,640 being in the middle of this, you know, 1000 foot wide or thousand 640 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,320 mile wide sea and you know it all these things and at some 641 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,560 point you just look around at all the professionals, you look 642 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,400 at all the capable people and you say it just doesn't matter. 643 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,080 Like we're we're not going to make it. 644 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,280 I mean, I don't know where does that put you mentally and 645 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,760 emotionally And, and maybe then, and I didn't bring this out 646 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,560 yesterday specifically, but like, isn't that exactly where 647 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:54,920 God needs us? If we are so, so far from 648 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,640 wanting to lean on him, he has to put us in the position of 649 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,160 having no hope left in any resources or any abilities that 650 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,560 we have. And I think it's, it's 651 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,480 unfortunate that people have to meet God that way. 652 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,440 But this is a God who loves us so much that he is so willing 653 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,560 to, to allow these hard things to happen. 654 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,240 So, I mean, we, we talked about like allowing our kids to go 655 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,240 through hardship because that forms their character. 656 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,440 We talked about that a little bit yesterday, but I mean like 657 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,600 think about God as a father right at me as a father. 658 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,960 Like I listen, I have always allowed what we call safe 659 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,960 mistakes. So for example, in our 660 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,160 parenting, we can see that like we know what's going to happen 661 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,040 when our kid makes this choice and even though they can't see 662 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,160 it, we can see it coming that I whole I told you so thing we can 663 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,800 see it coming. But if it is not truly 664 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,240 disastrous for their lives, we have intentionally allowed them 665 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,720 to make those quote UN quote safe mistakes because it is 666 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:05,200 going to change their character and it's going to create, you 667 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,000 know, some wisdom and it's going to create some dependents in the 668 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,960 right places rather than, oh, I got this, I got this, I got 669 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,360 this. And how much more than does God 670 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,880 do that with us, especially when we're stubborn, especially when 671 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,320 we refuse to see him or repent or acknowledge him. 672 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,480 God is willing. Through love He is allowing 673 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,160 through love us to endure incredibly difficult things so 674 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,680 that we might actually start looking up. 675 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,680 And that is such an important part of God's character is that 676 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,360 He loves you enough to let you suffer. 677 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,920 And again, on the surface without an explanation, that 678 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,040 that doesn't sound right because you're like, oh man, if you love 679 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,800 me, you won't let me suffer. No, I love you so much, I'll let 680 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400 you suffer. How about that, You know? 681 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,080 And so I, I that's absolutely in God's character traits. 682 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,480 And that's getting to the I told you so moment here, which you 683 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,960 talked about yesterday. But verses 21 and 22 and Acts 684 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,760 27, Paul says, men, you should have listened to me and not 685 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,400 sailed from Crete and incurred this disaster and loss that's 686 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,160 there. And a lot of the time that 687 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:22,000 sentence feels really good to say Now they already knew that, 688 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,840 right? But but they already knew that 689 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,960 this was a bad idea and they should have listened to Paul 690 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,880 someone someone who's already been punched like you don't you 691 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,840 don't necessarily need to tell them like you should have not 692 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,960 gotten punched right. They they know that it ended 693 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,920 poorly. Right. 694 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,520 In response to that, though, he's on this high horse just for 695 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,280 a second. He also wraps in this message of 696 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,160 hope. I urge you to take heart. 697 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,120 There will be no loss of life among you, but only the ship. 698 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:06,440 So somehow, though again, Paul was there to tell them not to 699 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,600 press on, they ignore God's advice and did their own thing 700 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,320 in the storm, in the suffering, and God let them be in the 701 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,480 suffering of their own. Well, I mean, they chose to be 702 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,360 in the suffering despite ignoring God's warning, which is 703 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,240 maybe a lot of the time where our suffering comes from. 704 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:29,160 Oh, I suspect so. Even in that, there's hope 705 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,760 offered here. Right there there's deliverance. 706 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,320 It again sounds strange. Verse 23 For there stood by me 707 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,480 in the night an Angel of God, to whom I belong and to whom I 708 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,000 serve, saying, Do not be afraid. He goes on to tell them how. 709 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,880 Verse 26 I believe God, it will be just as he told me. 710 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,280 However, we must run aground on a certain island. 711 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,840 And is that usually what you do with a boat? 712 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,360 I'm not a sailor, but you don't you don't usually look to beach 713 00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:59,960 it. Right. 714 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:01,920 No, no, you're not. Probably. 715 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,200 I mean, that's obviously worst case scenario is to hey guys, 716 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,320 let's just go ahead and destroy the ship. 717 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,760 Because another aspect of this that you that no doubt they have 718 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,000 thought about is even if we can run this thing aground and 719 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,080 destroy the ship and get to land somewhere, how will we ever get 720 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,840 off land? We have no guarantees that we 721 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,120 will be able to get another ship, especially with 276 of us. 722 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,000 There aren't just ships around that are. 723 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,800 It's like, oh, hey, we can throw your 276 people on and no big 724 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440 deal. Like there is so much happening 725 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,520 here that like God is so clearly orchestrating, but man, these 726 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,040 guys, they have to. They're going to have to. 727 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,920 And they ultimately do, not by choice, but through Paul's 728 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,840 faith, through Paul's faith in God, that God will stick to his 729 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,840 word, which is Paul, you must preach the gospel to Caesar. 730 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,720 If God says you must do something, it's going to happen. 731 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,320 So here we go. Let's, let's make a comparison 732 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,720 point. Jonah. 733 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,720 And this moment, OK, God says, hey, Jonah, I need you. 734 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,200 You're going to go tell these people over here that they need 735 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,000 to repent of their evil and their violence. 736 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,320 And Jonah's like, Nah, actually I kind of hate those people and 737 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,040 I would prefer that they burn. So let me not go preach in case 738 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,840 they actually do repent because I don't really want that. 739 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,840 I don't want that for them. So so you compare these two 740 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,080 things and let's let's talk about Jonah while he's on the 741 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,480 sea for a moment, OK? So like what happens to Jonah? 742 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,960 The the, The Tempest, the storm hits the boat. 743 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,720 Jonah is down below. He's snoozing away. 744 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,320 OK, well, what's Paul doing? Paul is actively engaging 745 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,720 everybody on that boat, speaking the gospel, speaking God's 746 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,040 truth, speaking God's wisdom to them the entire time. 747 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,160 He's not passively just like, well, you know what, you're bad, 748 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,760 right? Deal with it. 749 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,160 Wish. She knew what I knew. 750 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,640 Yeah, I wish she, yeah. Whereas Jonah's like, Nah, 751 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,600 whatever. I don't, I, I don't have to care 752 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,720 about this. I'm, I'm just bailing, you know, 753 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,800 So we, we see kind of a polar opposite there. 754 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,680 Maybe the other really interesting thing that we see 755 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,760 that's really opposite is Jonah comes to the point where he 756 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,080 finally actually cares enough about somebody else. 757 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,440 It took him a long time and took a violent, crazy storm for him 758 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000 to do it, but he finally at some point cares enough about 759 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,200 somebody else to say, you know what? 760 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,320 For the sake of your lives, throw me overboard. 761 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,600 I guarantee if you throw me overboard, give me to the sea, 762 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,440 give me to this Tempest, give me to God who's clearly angry right 763 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,840 now. You'll live. 764 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,520 The rest of you will be safe. Yeah, and, and but he has to 765 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,200 come to the end of himself to be able to even do that. 766 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,040 Whereas Paul, he's he's not saying, hey, throw me overboard. 767 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,480 God's mad at me. Like, no, like God is putting us 768 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,400 in this position so that not only will I get to where I need 769 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,600 to get to because he's guaranteed that, but you're 770 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,920 going to meet him like, and that's the that's the other cool 771 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,520 thing about the Jonah. And this as a parallel, too. 772 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,480 In both cases, the storm, the violence, the potential for 773 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,680 death causes the sailors and Jonah's boat to meet the living 774 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,120 God. And it causes the sailors and 775 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,920 Paul's boat to meet the living God. 776 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,880 So is the storm necessary? You bet it is. 777 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,200 Seems like. It's so necessary, yeah. 778 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,160 Yeah. And what I also think is is 779 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,600 interesting. This just kind of came to me in 780 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,040 reviewing the passage here again. 781 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,880 Somehow Paul's message of hope, it also includes there will be 782 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,920 no loss of life, but only of the ship. 783 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:47,600 That still sounds like bad news. Like that's still bad news. 784 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,320 OK, we lost the ship. We might be stuck on this island 785 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,320 if if we beach, it might not be able to get off. 786 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,160 And we've already tossed all the cargo. 787 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,480 Our hope of making profit on this journey is also gone. 788 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,280 But the hope in that still highlights the thing that 789 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,640 matters, right? You, you have your life and this 790 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,600 opportunity for Paul not only to preach the gospel, but for you 791 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,240 to, as you just eloquently put it, encounter the living God in 792 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,720 amidst this storm. That's still what matters. 793 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,440 The I, I gosh, I was even talking to someone else about 794 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,480 the rich young ruler this morning, but I just I like it 795 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,920 and I've talked about it before. Well, you. 796 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,200 Should it's a It's a great moment, so. 797 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,040 He asked Jesus, what must I do to be saved, right and go and 798 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,760 sell everything you have, and follow me. 799 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,800 And the young ruler went away, for he had much wealth he 800 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,800 wanted. He went away sad, for he had 801 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,080 much wealth and a lot to give up. 802 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,600 Isn't in a way the same thing is happening here. 803 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,720 It seems like they don't have a choice, but because of their 804 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,920 defiance of God's will at the onset, they now suffered and 805 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,480 struggled through the storm to the point Jesus told the rich 806 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,560 young ruler You, you want you want to end up in heaven and 807 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,000 follow me. OK, Go live your life to the 808 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000 point where all you have left is me. 809 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:23,080 And then follow that and let it inform the rest of the things 810 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,240 that make up your life after that. 811 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,880 Right? Like me first and then the 812 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,720 things that come in tow in following me, those will be the 813 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,160 things that make up your life. This is kind of reverse of OK, 814 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,920 you lost all the other things from from your life. 815 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,720 Now all you have is this message of the gospel that Paul is 816 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,400 sharing. All you have is this encounter 817 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,560 with the living God who's saving you in the storm. 818 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,600 So they both kind of ended up in the same place, right? 819 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,320 One one kind of kicking and screaming in defiance of God's 820 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,040 will, and the other one just completely in defiance of God. 821 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,560 He didn't want to go to that place. 822 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,080 He didn't want his life to be in that place. 823 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,440 But sometimes in the storm our way, our life winds up in that 824 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,520 place unwillingly, right? And then we're still met with 825 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,760 the decision and somewhat in the example of Jonah, somewhat in 826 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,240 the there's still defiant, there's still some who are not 827 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,760 convinced, right. You know what, you, you bring up 828 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,240 such an excellent point and it just draws my attention to this 829 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,480 very obvious. Well, it's, it's obvious the way 830 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,920 that Jesus talks about it. Seek God and his Kingdom 1st and 831 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,400 then all these things will be added to you. 832 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,000 Here's what I think that most of us do most of the time, which is 833 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,200 we say, OK, let me get my life right. 834 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,280 So let me get my career in line. Let me get my job straight. 835 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,960 Let me get my family the way I want it, and then I will come 836 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,480 back to church. Think about it. 837 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,120 Think about it, how many families? 838 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:01,040 And, and this is no offense to anybody, if this was you, like 839 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,160 this was us in some way as well when we were younger. 840 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,560 But like, how many people are like, well, I kind of went to 841 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,800 youth group when I was a teenager, but then like I 842 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,880 started pursuing college or my career or family or this and 843 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,600 this and this. And then by the time I'm in my 844 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,960 late 20s or 30s, like, oh man, I guess I'm kind of thinking about 845 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,080 God now that I've set up these other things in my life so I can 846 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,040 add God to these other things. And it's like, Nope, no, no, no, 847 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,880 no, you got the order all wrong. We, we hold on to God and we 848 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,440 lean on him and we say, this is my purpose. 849 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,360 This is I exist to know and worship him and make him known. 850 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,240 And then God promises who is the owner and sustainer and creator 851 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,280 of everything on the planet. He promises to give you 852 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,160 everything you need after you seek Him first. 853 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,440 But we try and do it in the other order and so many times 854 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,520 that messes us up so badly. It puts everything out of whack. 855 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,280 It takes everything out of its proper priority and its proper 856 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,000 place. And we, you know, in the worst 857 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,320 case scenarios, we end up striving and worshipping those 858 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,720 things our entire lives and never meet God. 859 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,320 You know, where is like, if we start with him, all these things 860 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,240 are going to come anyway. He's he's going to do those 861 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,600 things as we're faithfully like, you know, in a relationship with 862 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,600 him. But do we trust that? 863 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,360 Do we trust that process that God says, OK, this is the order 864 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,840 of operations. And if you follow this order of 865 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,760 operations, I will bless you. I will keep you. 866 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,000 I will doesn't mean that the storms won't come, but like I'm 867 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,680 going to be with you the entire time. 868 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680 You know, we, yeah, we mess up the order of operations. 869 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,200 Yeah. Yep, and that's and that's just 870 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,560 kind of what jumped out to me there, though. 871 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,920 We messed up the order of operations like that's that's 872 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,240 God's will working in all that too. 873 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,200 He had a plan, He had a destination. 874 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,680 He it was more painful because of how we screwed it up rather 875 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,560 than just kind of follow it, making our own way through His 876 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,520 will rather than just following it from the get go. 877 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,320 And that's the thing, we just experience more pain when when 878 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,960 we mess it up. It doesn't mean that God's 879 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,240 sovereignty won't still exist. His plan is going to be his plan 880 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,040 and ain't nothing's going to change that. 881 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,000 So think about Abraham, for example. 882 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,600 Let's pull back to him. God said, hey, I am going to 883 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,920 make your descendants as numerous as the stars. 884 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:28,480 And because Abraham got a little impatient, we might say him and 885 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,920 his wife came up with this idea like, Hey, why don't you? 886 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,320 God hasn't come through yet. So why don't you have a, a child 887 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,480 with my servant? And we, if you know anything 888 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,440 about the Bible, you know where that went. 889 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,800 It was they faced a lot of unnecessary difficulty because 890 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,160 they didn't just rest and trust in the fact that God was going 891 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,920 to come through. And so I mean, like, there's so 892 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,560 many examples of that. And I can think of examples of 893 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,240 my own life which we don't need to get into. 894 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,160 But like all those things are there. 895 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,840 Like if we can just manage to put our faith and trust in him, 896 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,920 we will. We will have less storms. 897 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,280 Yeah, they'll come. There's there's still going to 898 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,040 be hardship. We live in a sinful, broken 899 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,840 world. But like, man, we're going to 900 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,480 have less of that. Yeah. 901 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,880 And there's a question that was brought up that I think we'll 902 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,040 get to on the second week of the AMA episodes, but related to 903 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,000 God's will and just how we we'll get into more detail with that. 904 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,320 But just how we discern the spirit of God's voice versus our 905 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,320 own personal voice. And that that story of Abraham 906 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,720 and Sarah, I think is is perfect for that because OK, God 907 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,680 promised that you would have a child. 908 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,800 And at this point, while culturally acceptable, still not 909 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:48,240 biblically permissible was polygamy. 910 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,400 So like it marriage was still that we that we see examples of 911 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,240 this and this will be maybe a different discussion we can have 912 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:57,760 too. Just because it was culturally 913 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,600 acceptable does not mean that the that's the way that God drew 914 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,720 it up. Even these even these pillars of 915 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:08,640 the faith seemingly that was sinful. 916 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,720 That was a sinful thing for Abraham to do so discerning 917 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,320 God's will, God's will versus my fleshly will. 918 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,600 Well this thing that I'm called to and Abraham would have 919 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,240 behooved him to ask himself this in this moment could God 920 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,600 promised me this thing. Hey, I got this really good 921 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,360 idea. I'll go try to have a baby with 922 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,240 someone who's not actually my wife. 923 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:38,480 Maybe that's what God meant. No, like God doesn't contradict 924 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:43,960 his own word or his precepts or his his biblical ethic. 925 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,880 So this thing that you're that he's Abraham's trying to jam 926 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,120 this jigsaw puzzle puzzle piece into a space that it doesn't fit 927 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,280 because it doesn't his reasoning doesn't line up with God's word. 928 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,880 No, God's will isn't going to come about by him contradicting 929 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,560 his own precepts. So that just that doesn't make 930 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,160 sense. That instance of action to take. 931 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,760 Of course, it was from Abraham and not from God, because God 932 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,480 doesn't contradict himself in in his will. 933 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:18,440 And I know that's hard to it's hard to see, but and so just on 934 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,640 a on a basic level, this thing that you want to do or this 935 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,960 thing that you feel like you're called to do, does it go against 936 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,440 scripture? Does it go against God's promise 937 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,360 or how God's character would bring this thing about? 938 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,680 If it does, that's, that's full stop. 939 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,080 You don't, you don't need to worry about that. 940 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,320 If it doesn't, not saying that that's a slam dunk, but but it's 941 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,280 also if you're where there's freedom, right? 942 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,880 We we believe in the freedom outside of Scripture does not 943 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:56,840 address each and every exact specific situation that we will 944 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,720 encounter right? But there is a prevailing 945 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,840 overarching character and voice of we talk about that like the 946 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,520 voice of God. What does God sound like it is 947 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,080 is does it sound like it's in his character? 948 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:17,200 Does this line up with how God values life and how God and 949 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,640 Jesus and even Christians or followers, the early disciples, 950 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,200 how they interact with the word, how they teach about God's word 951 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,680 there there's there's a common vein throughout Scripture that 952 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,720 is Christian ethic that informs how we live as Christians in 953 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:40,800 this day and age now too, right. So start, start there. 954 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,800 You use use scripture to interpret Scripture. 955 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,360 Use Scripture to interpret the decisions you have in your life. 956 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,720 And if it doesn't necessarily specifically yay or nay what's 957 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:58,400 facing you, Well, if it's not a no sure, give it like give it a 958 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,280 shot. If that's if that's what you 959 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,400 feel called to and you see how it lines up in God's greater 960 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,600 will, but it might not be. There might still be some 961 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,160 struggle in that right, like you might, you might part of the 962 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,960 process and getting you to his will might be a mistake, might 963 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,720 be screwing up, might be experiencing failure or hurt or 964 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,400 storm in that. But it was within His will for 965 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,960 you to learn that, for you to learn from that failure to get 966 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,200 to where He had you intended. Absolutely. 967 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,000 So I want to bring this up because I think during the week 968 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,800 that this text is preached, I think it's one of our Ask Me 969 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,920 Anything episodes that is pre recorded. 970 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,840 But we're coming upon Moses, right? 971 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:43,240 So get this, God, does God ask the question? 972 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,920 I keep saying that, but it's important. 973 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,480 Ask the question, does God want his people to be oppressed and 974 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,440 in slavery in Egypt? Nope. 975 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,760 No. OK, So what we see early in 976 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,520 Moses's life is that he knows who he is. 977 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,280 He understands that he's a Hebrew. 978 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,680 He's known that his whole life, despite his Egyptian upbringing. 979 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,160 And at some point he decides, you know what? 980 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,440 I don't think my people should be in slavery anymore. 981 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,200 And so I see this guy mistreating this. 982 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,760 So let's start a movement. And he kills an Egyptian 983 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:17,520 soldier. OK, So does God want, does God 984 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,080 want Moses to commit murder? No. 985 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,720 But does God want his people free? 986 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,400 Yes. Well, we, we see what happens 987 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,440 here. Is that because, yeah, maybe 988 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,000 Moses has God's heart and mind for freedom for his people, but 989 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,920 he doesn't have the methodology in mind. 990 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,040 And so therefore, how do we, great, how do we gauge the 991 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,920 methodology that God wants us to use? 992 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,040 Well, let's Fast forward to Galatians and go to the fruit of 993 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,520 the Spirit list. So if I have a decision that's 994 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,080 not maybe clearly marked in the Bible, I'm like, well, which 995 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,520 way? Which way should I go? 996 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,360 Well, why not use this as a filter, This decision, does it 997 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,440 promote Lovejoy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, 998 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,480 faithfulness, gentleness, self-control? 999 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,920 If if the decision that I'm thinking about making does not 1000 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,360 encompass those traits of the fruit of the spirit, then I'm 1001 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,040 probably not making the godly decision, you know, and so. 1002 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,520 If it brings about anger, if it brings about anxiety, if it 1003 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:23,440 brings about revenge, if it brings about even even judgement 1004 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,360 to some degree, are those the things that we're supposed to 1005 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,120 pursue? If there's, if there's deception 1006 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,200 involved, if there's things happening that aren't above 1007 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,840 board, it's that's not the way, that's not the ways of God, 1008 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,960 right? That's not how he works. 1009 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,480 His will. Yeah, you might have. 1010 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,480 You might have the proper end result in mind, but if you don't 1011 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,120 have the proper process in mind, again, you can even use the 1012 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,560 Fruit of the Spirit list to filter the process a little bit. 1013 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,040 Man, guess what? You are probably going to end up 1014 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,800 you and potentially others. You're going to end up enduring 1015 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,200 some hardship that didn't have to be there if you'd done it 1016 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,680 God's way in God's time. And again, that goes back to, 1017 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,680 you know, all the way back to the Moses thing. 1018 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,880 Yeah. God wanted his people free, but 1019 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,400 Moses didn't do it God's way, and he didn't do it in God's 1020 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,480 time. Therefore, he ended up spending 1021 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,720 40 years in obscurity learning that lesson. 1022 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,320 Yeah. Yeah, we'll get to that in a 1023 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:29,280 couple weeks. Indeed, we are coming up on the 1024 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,240 hour here. Anything else that you want to 1025 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,520 jump into here from the end of Acts 27? 1026 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,160 Well, I think maybe one last thing that we can probably 1027 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,160 pretty quickly talk about is something that maybe we don't 1028 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,800 always see in the surface that I actually, I didn't see it on the 1029 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,480 surface either, but I was listening to Tim Keller and he 1030 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,240 brought this up. He, he, it tells us, well, the 1031 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,560 text tells us that God guarantees to Paul that nobody's 1032 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,640 going to die. OK, But then you jump forward 1033 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,920 and you see the sailors maybe trying to sneak off the boat 1034 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,400 because they're like, this is a lost cause. 1035 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,600 And Paul then says, hey, if they don't get back here, we're going 1036 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,720 to die. So like, how can it be both? 1037 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,400 God guarantees that everybody's going to live, but then Paul 1038 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,320 comes back and says, well, but if they don't do this, then 1039 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,440 we're all going to die. Can it be both like, but is 1040 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:23,960 God's promise that nobody's going to die? 1041 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,880 Is that real? Like is he sovereign? 1042 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,800 Is he all powerful? Is it his plan? 1043 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:33,480 Or is it down to human choice? We really struggle with this, 1044 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,360 don't we? Sure, you know, because here's 1045 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,240 the thing. If if we. 1046 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,040 Can we manipulate the will of God by our choices? 1047 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,880 Yeah, uh huh. Now here's the thing. 1048 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,880 So if I believe that God is sovereign in such a way that no 1049 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,920 matter what I do, no matter how I act, whatever, it's going to 1050 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,280 work out the way He wants it to work out. 1051 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,720 So I'll do whatever I want whenever I want, or I'll do 1052 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,800 nothing because it's all going to work anyway. 1053 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,720 That is a wrong point of view. Another equally in opposite 1054 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,000 wrong point of view is I can't trust God to do anything. 1055 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,440 I have to do everything myself. Like I, I have to put in all the 1056 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:10,680 work. I have to be Abraham. 1057 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,240 I have to make the things happen because God's not going to make 1058 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,400 him happen. He's not as powerful and as 1059 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,320 sovereign as I think. Both extremes are incorrect. 1060 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,800 Both extremes are incorrect. So then you have to ask 1061 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,160 yourself, well, which because we tend to think in this almost 1062 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,320 like bipolar sense, we think, well, it's either all, it's 1063 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,520 either it's either all God or it's either all me. 1064 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,440 It can't, it can't be a combination of both. 1065 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:38,400 So an interesting way to think about this is God has an end in 1066 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,240 mind, not just in mind that he will exact, he will exact his 1067 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,400 end the way he wants it to, but he wants our participation. 1068 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,520 He want it. We're not robots. 1069 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,760 We are free thinkers with independent willpower. 1070 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,760 So like it is a both. And so go back to Acts chapter 1071 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,160 2, for example, where it is absolutely God's plan that Jesus 1072 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,360 Christ die for our sins. That's been the plan since 1073 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,360 Genesis. Yet Peter can honestly stand up 1074 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,960 in front of all those people and say you did this, this is your 1075 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,000 fault. How can both be true? 1076 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,760 Both can be true because God understanding our hearts 1077 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,160 knowing, knowing our like proclivities to violence or 1078 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,640 whatever that might look like, He understands those things. 1079 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,680 But that is not going to stop his end game plan, right? 1080 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,800 It is both and, absolutely. Yeah, no, that's so good. 1081 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,280 That's. Well, I can, I can thank Tim 1082 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,040 Keller for that insight. I think he probably said it 1083 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,200 better than I did, but like I, I had not picked up on that idea 1084 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,440 until I listened to him. So if you're not listening to 1085 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,480 Tim Keller regularly, do that for yourself. 1086 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,440 And he's got a podcast where I think they put out two sermons a 1087 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,000 week. The the man was just an absolute 1088 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,560 theological genius. His insights are, I talk about 1089 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,520 him way too much, I think. But he's the person who I live. 1090 01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,440 He's the person who I listen to most. 1091 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,080 Yeah, personally, yeah. So there you go. 1092 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,280 No, I think that's a great influence to model. 1093 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,520 He was. He was almost a Lithium brother 1094 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,120 and pastor for a few. So close. 1095 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:16,040 I heard that. Yeah. 1096 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,600 Oh my gosh. Yeah. 1097 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,600 Still did much for the modern church, I think, in his theology 1098 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,160 and philosophy of the Bible. So absolutely. 1099 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,680 Yeah, All right. Before we go, you won't hear us 1100 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,680 live for a couple weeks, but you probably wouldn't be able to 1101 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,720 tell that much if I hadn't said that. 1102 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,400 So we do have the Ask Me Anything episodes, Kristen 1103 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,320 sitting in with us on those, and that'll be fun. 1104 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,840 Wanted to give you a little sneak peek of what's coming up 1105 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,800 next week. Just a little hook. 1106 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,280 So take a listen to this. What's the what's the first 1107 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,800 question? Kristen's gonna be the question 1108 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,640 asker mediator here. And you're I mean, you're 1109 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,680 welcome to inject your opinion, especially on the on the funny 1110 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:00,520 ones. Yeah, but. 1111 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,040 I mean, this one is really important. 1112 01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,720 Which Disney Princess would you be and why? 1113 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,600 Oh my goodness. All right. 1114 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:09,800 Just going right for it. This. 1115 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,600 This is good. I am so excited about this 1116 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,240 question. Yeah. 1117 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,120 Who? Who would like to go first? 1118 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:22,800 Oh my. Well, I don't oh, man, I can't 1119 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,280 take the pasture hat off. I got like my immediate. 1120 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,040 So my immediate reaction to this question is none of them because 1121 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,640 God made God made me. I know Kristen's shaken her. 1122 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:36,680 That's why, Because God created the man and woman, Kristen. 1123 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,080 You're a. Princess, I'm sorry, that's 1124 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,600 that's just immediately where it went. 1125 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,880 Like that's just not we, we don't we like we never really 1126 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,760 had. I'll let Oliver, Oliver's four 1127 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,960 sisters, obviously. And I remember there was one 1128 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,920 time that like one of the grandmas thought it was cute to 1129 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,840 also dress him up and dress to play dress up with his Princess 1130 01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,240 sisters. And I, I was viscerally mad. 1131 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,680 Actually. I was like, no, get him out of 1132 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,080 that right now. So anyway, that's my initial 1133 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,960 reaction to this question is that I'm not a Princess and I'm 1134 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,800 not trying to be 1. So why don't you jump in? 1135 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,720 And I I need, I need to, I need to take off like rational 1136 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:20,720 logical binary mat right now and have a problem with that. 1137 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,720 He doesn't let my creative imagination flow a little bit 1138 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,520 here. OK, I I hope it actually you. 1139 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,600 I think you actually like cued me in pretty good with your 1140 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,840 explanation of I'm not a Princess, but let me tell you 1141 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:37,200 which Princess I in fact AM. I, in fact, am Wow. 1142 01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,280 Oh no, well, would be in this scenario. 1143 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,560 My apologies, I'm not. I'm not actually. 1144 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:46,720 Clean. Yeah. 1145 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,600 So that'll be fun. We'll we'll have a good time 1146 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,800 with answering y'all's questions. 1147 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,320 That's just a little taste of the hilarity that's in store. 1148 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,560 We have some, we have some deeper theological church based 1149 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,400 questions too. But yeah, the Princess question 1150 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,520 was. Oh my gosh. 1151 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,560 That was quite a conversation, so yeah, it'll be great. 1152 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,440 Thanks for submitting all your questions. 1153 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,880 We will get to as many of them as we possibly can. 1154 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,120 If we don't, we'll we'll stash for a later episode or answer 1155 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,560 them weekly, something like that. 1156 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,640 We do want to get to everything. We appreciate your guys's 1157 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,680 participation in that and and love you all as a church 1158 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,200 community. We'll see you next week.