1 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,280 Happy Monday. We're back in with the ARC 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,520 Leftovers podcast. I'm Pastor Matt. 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:23,520 Pastor Chris is here as well. And third chair got Dom Wiese 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,040 here. I like the third chair. 5 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:27,240 Third chair. I do. 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,560 I like it. I'm just, it feels, it feels 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,800 natural as I sit here. Normally it's just us staring at 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,840 each other's eyeballs in a not intimate way, but just weird. 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,600 It's Monday. Mondays are weird for me, so I 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,240 just make it weird on Monday. So I'm glad we do the podcast 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,000 today because it's my weirdest day of the week. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,640 But it it's nice to have somebody to my left. 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,840 It's nice. I like it. 14 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:51,080 Yeah, it's good to be here there. 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,160 You are sorry. I got a crisp in my ears on that 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,080 microphone. There microphone is better than 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,240 ours for some reason, even though it's older. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:05,800 All right, so Dom's here. He's given message yesterday in 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,920 case you weren't at church. He's in his first year at 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,320 seminary. And there's preacher class this 21 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,240 semester, homiletics. And I had to give a couple of 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,880 live preaching sermons. You have to give one to your 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,840 class as well, too. You were saying you got to, you 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,400 have to preach to the class. Yep, 11 in class and then 2IN 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,760 congregational settings so. OK, so this was number 1. 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,680 You did Romans 826 through 28 in our series this week. 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,600 And you did really well, man. And we, I, I knew you were going 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,040 to do well, but we made you preach to Chris and I last week 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,720 before before we just let you loose on Sunday morning. 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,520 And what, what can he say? He's just a free roam to say 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,880 whatever he wants. We gave him the stage. 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,360 We. Don't do we don't do open mics 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,120 around here. Not really Like it's it's 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,040 dangerous. Yeah, who knows what will come 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,600 out So, but I got to listen to the podcaster say so. 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,120 Thank you for posting that, right? 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Away 'cause. I got to listen to it on the 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,240 road trip back from confirmation weekend at inspiration point and 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,000 it was it was great. I was I was so happy like it 40 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,760 just it turned out so well. So thank you. 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,920 You did awesome job, Dom. Yep, handle the text really 42 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:18,240 well. Your your presence and cadence 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,120 and all, all the things, things, the metaphors, analogies, 44 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,800 personal stories that you used like, yeah, just season pro 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,240 right out of the gate, man, it was great. 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,000 Very, very thoughtful and well communicated. 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,520 I heard that from a lot of people. 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,040 I'm not just saying that like there were people that came up 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,280 to me and said, hey, Dom came out really well. 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,960 So you think there's a problem here, though. 51 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,360 Here's the potential problem. So like if you're in like a 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,560 casual bowling league, usually in like week one or two, they're 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,600 like, hey man, don't play your best because you know, then you 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,960 got to live to that standard all season long because like he's. 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,480 Preaching in two more weeks, you know, right? 56 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,480 Do you think you just hung yourself out to dry because you 57 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,640 had such a good sermon? Potentially. 58 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,320 I did say I was going to set the bar pretty low, but I don't, I 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,320 don't know if I successfully managed to do that. 60 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,720 But also, I, I mean, you guys talked about I, I got to 1st 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,720 give it in front of both of you. I think I was more nervous for 62 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,440 that than I was actually on Sunday morning. 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Like it's weird to preach to us. It's empty room with a couple. 64 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,800 Guys, yeah, when I and I can see you guys taking your little 65 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,760 notes, writing on your notepads and I'm like, oh, I hope they're 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,560 writing good things, but. I was I was taking some notes 67 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,400 and I was like, yeah, that. But really, honestly, I, I 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,640 people, I think I mentioned it before on this podcast, but 69 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,720 people before in this church like you, there are people here 70 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,960 who were here for my very first sermon ever. 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Sure. And that are still here. 72 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,320 This is all my. Some of them, yeah. 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,760 And, and yes, good job because I don't, I don't know, man. 74 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,120 Like I look back and I kind of wince a little bit. 75 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,720 I don't think you'll look back and have to like wince as much 76 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:06,320 as I did. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of 77 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,720 good comments, but there were a couple people that came up to me 78 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,600 and very, I won't, I won't name names, but he's a very blunt, 79 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,480 direct person. And he just came up and he 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,399 straight up said he's like, man, I was here for Chris's first 81 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:22,720 sermon. I was here for Matt's first 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,720 sermon. And you crushed it, like better 83 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,080 than both of them. And I'm not saying that as like 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,560 a, a personal like hype, but I, you know, I have the benefit of 85 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,360 learning from both of you and being able to put together, you 86 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,600 know, a little bit of a combination between the two of 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,080 you on, on how you write and how you preach and how you talk to 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,600 the congregation. So I mean, I definitely had the 89 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,920 advantage in that situation. And I will. 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,320 So I'm not even offended by that. 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,520 I I agree your first sermon was better than my first sermon. 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,120 Absolutely. Me too, in in all the ways in, 93 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,960 in the teaching, in the delivery and in all the ways it was. 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,880 I will, I will say and thank you for, I mean, gleaning that from 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,040 us too. I do remember my first sermon. 96 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,360 I was not, and this isn't calling anyone out, throwing 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,800 anyone under the bus, but like I also wasn't really coached and 98 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,520 it was a one. It was a one off. 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,520 Like I wasn't, I wasn't in the middle of a series. 100 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,680 It was it was preacher's choice and I didn't, I didn't pre 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,800 preach it to anyone like I I had no insight or run up or 102 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,800 anything. I'm not even sure what like it. 103 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,560 It basically was open mic. It was it was youth bastard. 104 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,000 Basically everybody else is gone. 105 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,360 So youth pastor is getting it today and there's nothing we can 106 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,800 do about it. So no, I but that being said, I 107 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,600 didn't like that. Like that's not the way it 108 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,160 should go. I think the way it should go is 109 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,480 like, yeah, we should be making sure you're confident and 110 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,600 refined in what, in what you're saying too. 111 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,320 And yeah, it wasn't even a it was not a let down Sunday at 112 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,600 all, which is crazy to say. But like others, I think people 113 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,320 get that there's plenty of churches that like, if it's not 114 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,160 the main preacher, it's like, well, and I feel like we don't 115 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,520 usually have that. I know we're different 116 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,320 stylistically from each other, but I don't think there's 117 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,200 usually, like, cavernous drop offs between the two of us week 118 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,040 to week. And you stepped right into that, 119 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,440 man. So well done. 120 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:28,800 Yeah, I. Think, I think my first sermon. 121 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 I don't know. I'd have to, I don't know if 122 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,600 anybody's got it, but it was probably like 36 minutes. 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,560 Oh yeah, mine was long. Of just madness and just pouring 124 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,640 out of emotion and like, it was basically like a very long 125 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,800 testimony and it was, I don't know, man. 126 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,920 It was probably what I needed in that moment, but I don't know 127 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,160 that that's what our congregation needed in that 128 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,640 moment. I think they were just, I think 129 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,960 all the people here, they were just kind enough to just allow 130 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,320 that. I bet I know someone who has it 131 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,880 hidden away somewhere. We could we could dust that up. 132 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,520 Nope. Nope, I'm good. 133 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,360 I'm. Good. 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,000 I need to see it for research purposes. 135 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,120 I'm in school. I need to I need to study all 136 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,160 the content I can No. Let's never do that, please, 137 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,880 please. So Dom, just before we jump into 138 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,840 text, let's just get a little bit more of a, a catch up on 139 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:31,240 life for you right now. Seminary where you're, you're 140 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,800 taking classes at Lutheran Brethren seminary, but like 141 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,960 doing that online. What's, what's the program? 142 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,160 What's the goal? Like what, what are your other 143 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,960 classes and stuff that you're taking into in right now? 144 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,440 What's Year 1 seminary been like online? 145 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,760 Yeah, it's, it's been interesting. 146 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,240 I'm glad I got the conversation with both of you and the insight 147 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,960 of, you know, one of you did it fully remote, one of you did it 148 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,680 while living there. So I got the pros and cons of 149 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,720 making that decision. But I think the remote taking 150 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,880 classes and staying here is, is definitely the better decision 151 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,760 for me because I get to stay and be a part of the congregation 152 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,160 that we're we're growing and we're building and it just, it 153 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,000 truly does feel like home. But the classes have they've 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,960 been great. It's, it's a little weird just 155 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,040 because I'm, I've never been fantastic at school. 156 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,840 I mean, I'll just be honest with it. 157 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,520 I've never been the straight A every single assignments on 158 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,080 time. But in this setting, it's, it's 159 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,679 a lot easier to stay involved and stay engaged because it's 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,120 something that I'm so passionate about. 161 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,159 And I, I truly feel like I finally found where I'm supposed 162 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:41,840 to be. And so I'm going for the diploma 163 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,000 of Christian Ministry, which is the same classes and everything 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,320 you would go for, for the masters of Divinity. 165 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,200 I just don't have my bachelor's yet, so I can't get the master's 166 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,680 right. But yeah, the classes have been. 167 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:55,200 Great semantics, yeah, As far as the degree. 168 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,760 Hierarchy goes and if I ever go and finish a bachelor's degree 169 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,800 in anything, then I just let them know and they'll give me my 170 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,040 masters and. A. 171 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,680 Fancy piece of paper on your wall. 172 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,280 I've got a couple of them and I don't know that they do a lot 173 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,520 for me when I'm when I'm when I'm feeling down, I don't look 174 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,640 at them and go, Oh my gosh. But I'm this great thing. 175 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,200 It doesn't work that way. I wonder about that sometimes 176 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,840 because you have you do have yours hung on your wall and I 177 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,240 don't. So I wonder if people are ever 178 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,080 like, did Matt go to school this? 179 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:27,960 Guy is just shooting at the hip all the time. 180 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,880 All the time. You know what? 181 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,120 Actually, can we get them checked out? 182 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,320 Anyone background check? This guy, I'm going to, I'm 183 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,640 going to Doctor Phil myself for a second. 184 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,400 Like I'm just going to do some self analysis and maybe maybe 185 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,240 the reason why I put them up there is because I'm such a 186 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,920 weirdo that like I need people to know that like I, I really 187 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,920 did do all of these things. I really do have these degrees 188 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,880 despite my my strange personality, you know, like I've 189 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,080 done the work people and this is the proof self. 190 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,840 Validating. I know I've come off really 191 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,160 weird but like, I promise I did the things I think I think. 192 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,560 That's why they're on the wall. I've never thought about it, but 193 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:09,960 that's probably why they're on the wall. 194 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,280 I'm just being honest. Like come. 195 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,400 On you're fine, we love you. We're not. 196 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,240 We're not questioning it most of the time. 197 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,240 That could you know what that could be 51%? 198 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,880 Almost no one that's come in here for the first time on a 199 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,640 Sunday had been like, why is that dude up there? 200 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,160 Well, almost no one now. I have completely shrank and I 201 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,240 have no confidence coming into this Sunday. 202 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,720 I am toast. This is not going to go well for 203 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,720 me on Sunday. You'll be great. 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,160 Oh dude. Yeah, the neurotic emotional 205 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,200 state of the of the Sunday preacher. 206 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Something to behold. Yeah, it really is. 207 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,920 If I I think honestly, and I won't go too far, but I think 208 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,320 honestly, if somebody could be in my head the 5 minutes leading 209 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,920 up to like going on stage and and and preaching, they'd be 210 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,480 like, there's no way this is going to work out just because 211 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,640 like I've never, I've never gotten over the nerves of it. 212 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,520 I never have. And I tell people that and 213 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,680 they're like, I, I don't, I can't tell. 214 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,960 And I'm like, I know you can't because despite my weirdness, I 215 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,560 do have a pretty good poker face. 216 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,680 But like, it's never left me. It's been over a decade and 217 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,360 still every Sunday, like there's a lot of nerves. 218 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,640 And I think, I think part of it, if I can be serious for a 219 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:42,240 moment, part of that is just the weight of teaching God's word. 220 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:47,640 I take that extremely seriously. And so often times my prayers 221 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,880 leading up, you know, that 5 minutes even before I go on 222 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,160 stage, my prayer is just Lord, I, I, I don't want them to hear 223 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:00,280 me like I, I need you to speak because they just don't need to 224 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,160 hear from me. Like I'm just a guy. 225 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:06,760 And so I've never gotten over that weight of responsibility. 226 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,200 And and I and I hope I never do because if I do then I I should 227 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,120 probably quit. Yeah, it's a it's a crazy 228 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:20,480 burdens like self reflection all because like even afterwards, 229 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,040 there's still the how how did this hit? 230 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,760 Did this, did this change? Did this work? 231 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,360 Did this move? Like there's sometimes you get 232 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,600 that personal like verbal validation from people of of how 233 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,920 it affected them. Sometimes you don't always. 234 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,680 And even then even when you do, you don't get it from everyone 235 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,600 either. Like so like how how far did 236 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,440 this reach? How did this, yeah, did this hit 237 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,760 everyone that way? Was it just this smaller group 238 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,400 of people did did I just whiff like. 239 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,560 And hopefully that's I don't think that's ever really been 240 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,120 the case. I I haven't experienced that 241 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,800 where it's just like nobody got it. 242 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,880 But yeah, it's an it's a weird burden. 243 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,640 Not, not a weird burden like it's warned in the Bible, like 244 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,800 those those preaching and teaching held to a higher 245 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,120 standard. But there is that sort of 246 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,120 burdensome mentality to it. And I think that's part of it, 247 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,920 you know, that where the Bible talks about the, the higher 248 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:21,000 standard of those who are going to teach in, in the judgement, 249 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,280 potentially they're within for wrong teaching. 250 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,600 I just take that super seriously. 251 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,480 I mean, The thing is, I, I think about that. 252 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:36,400 And if I were to, you know, have Jesus in the audience, I would 253 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,360 hope that I would still be able to say the same things, you 254 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,720 know? And if I can't say the same 255 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,760 things with Jesus in the audience, then I shouldn't be 256 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,560 saying it at all. That's an interesting way to put 257 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,920 it. If Jesus in the audience, I'm 258 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,680 not preaching, he's preaching. I'm not preaching. 259 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,760 I think you can do this off the cuff. 260 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,560 I think you can do it with no prep. 261 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:04,080 He's that good, I suspect. Now I'm just oh, man, now major 262 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:04,760 squirrel moment. Who? 263 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,520 Who's on the green team? Who, like, just ushered Jesus 264 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:09,960 into his seat? Like, what are you doing? 265 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,640 Who do you pay? You're paying attention Now get 266 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,120 that. Get that dude up front. 267 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,440 Jesus walked in and nobody knew about it. 268 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Yeah, that would be funny. That would be. 269 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,360 Oh, man. OK, so we're diving in. 270 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,280 Welcome to the podcast down. We're going to need Aaliyah if 271 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,520 there's anything that you left out or felt like you couldn't 272 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,320 dive deeper into or things that we thought maybe could have been 273 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,880 touched on a little more in the message too. 274 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,720 So off the off the jump here. Romans 826 through 28. 275 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Likewise, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know 276 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,920 what to pray as we ought, but the Spirit Himself intercedes 277 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,000 for us with groanings too deep for words. 278 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,600 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, 279 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,280 because the Spirit intercedes for the Saints according to the 280 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,800 will of God. And we know that for those who 281 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,000 love God, all things work together for good for those who 282 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,600 are called according to His purpose. 283 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,640 So just I'll go to you right away. 284 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,560 Dom, is there anything that maybe you touched on and just 285 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,320 wish you would have or could have spent more time on and just 286 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,480 drawn a thought out a little more on that? 287 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Or was there anything in here that you just you saw and was 288 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,000 like, hey, this isn't where we're going today, though like 289 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,480 that. That's that's just part of this 290 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,600 text that we're not going to touch on. 291 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,760 I think the two things that really stuck out to me right 292 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,600 away kind of in context and I touched on both slightly, but 293 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,960 didn't really dive into as deep as I could conversationally. 294 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,400 But in this chapter we get to see three things are groaning 295 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,560 like creations groaning, believers are growing groaning, 296 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,600 but the spirit is also groaning. The spirit groans for us when we 297 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,080 don't have the words, and that's just right away. 298 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Reading through this passage as we walked up through our last 299 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,840 couple weeks like that really stuck out to me here that it's 300 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,040 not just us, but the spirit is also groaning. 301 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,720 I just think that's a really cool. 302 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,760 Like I've never visually even thought about it that way. 303 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,520 It is interesting to kind of equate and we were talking about 304 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,760 this a little earlier at at staff this morning too, just the 305 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:32,760 the struggles of Jesus, like if he how how frustrated was he 306 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,480 with people like in general preaching these things to to 307 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,720 either hard hearted Pharisees or the rich young ruler who went 308 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,840 away sad for he had much wealth like just he got the truth 309 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,800 straight from Jesus. Jesus answered his question 310 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,160 straight up. He was just hoping for a 311 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,600 different answer and that and he just didn't want to digest the 312 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,680 truth in that way. So some of those just sort of 313 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,880 like, did Jesus get frustrated or, or angry or, or just like 314 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,920 wondering, wondering about how that worked. 315 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,839 It's so I think it's interesting the connection you made in, in 316 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,640 all those, in all those groanings, like the, the spirit 317 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:18,440 has a similar frustrated or or guttural response to the way 318 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,960 things are to, to, to the sufferings of man. 319 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,839 There's a lot of suffering in this passage too, right? 320 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,000 Like we're we're, we're talking a lot through that and groaning 321 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,880 would be I think usually a negative thing. 322 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:36,160 Is there a positive grown? I suspect yeah, I have a Well, 323 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,400 let me share you a short story, if you don't mind. 324 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Coming out of Life Group A couple weeks ago, I think maybe 325 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,240 one of the most powerful moments of prayer I've ever had in my 326 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,760 life came a couple weeks ago at Life Group. 327 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,280 And, you know, so our group at at the end of kind of answering 328 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,680 the questions and kind of dialoguing about the text and 329 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,560 talking about life and all that kind of stuff, What we do to 330 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,520 wrap up our time, as we say, OK, how can we be praying this week? 331 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,480 And so, you know, people go around the room and stuff and 332 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,560 often times, you know, we're praying for people that I don't 333 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,880 know and that's fine as we ought. 334 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,560 But somebody brought up like, and I got to be careful here, 335 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,920 otherwise I'm going to get all weepy. 336 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,240 But somebody had brought up like this, this little girl, she's 337 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,840 like 3 or whatever, going through a lot of medical stuff. 338 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,000 And so we're writing down the list and OK, I'm going to, I'm 339 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,720 going to pray for us at the end. And I got to that little girl on 340 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,240 the list and I just couldn't talk. 341 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,880 And I just, I like, see, there it is again. 342 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:47,960 I just, I just like cried and I could hear like other sniffles 343 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,880 in the room and stuff. And I'm just like, this is what 344 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,160 that is. This is that like I don't have 345 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,480 words, but God knows. So that was like one of the more 346 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,680 like, and I thought about this text too, like the Spirit is 347 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,920 interceding in that moment and I don't know, maybe the best 348 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,920 prayer I've ever had. And I didn't say words. 349 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:12,480 And yeah, anyway, I got to stop. Like it's too much. 350 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,680 No, I I think it's a really interesting connection because 351 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,640 of the the groanings too deep for words. 352 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:26,400 Like even in those moments where we don't understand or we would 353 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,560 seemingly be crying out for a solution. 354 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,040 Sometimes there aren't words to say. 355 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,440 Even even the one who holds the world, who has the power to do 356 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,600 and resolve and heal and and and do all those things groanings 357 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,360 too deep for words that there aren't words in in some of these 358 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:49,400 situations that I think that's interesting that you connected 359 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,560 all those groanings throughout the past of the way that the way 360 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,600 that creation is is suffering subject to sin, the way that the 361 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,920 followers of Jesus are are suffering subject to sin and 362 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,880 then the spirit in a. Break my heart for what breaks 363 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:11,680 yours sort of way is is responding to these struggles to 364 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,880 these sufferings in a in a way that is still is still in 365 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,800 strength is is still interceding is acting in our weakness, but 366 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,400 is maybe not solvable with with a word right. 367 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,720 Yeah. So no, I think that's, I think 368 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,640 that's a really good connection. But also, I mean, yeah, we just 369 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,640 talked about it for 7 minutes. So that that would have taken a 370 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,040 big, a big part of what you were going into there. 371 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,400 So. That's also why, you know, I got 372 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,960 to use the story of, of my father and kind of that whole 373 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,800 thing. And, you know, I, I tried to 374 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,280 avoid it just because I'm like a first sermon. 375 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,400 I don't want to bring that up like I don't want to. 376 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,080 I don't want to be that heavy on the first sermon, but it did. 377 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,640 It just fit perfectly into that message and, and truly in that 378 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,440 moment, like there were no words to pray. 379 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,960 There was nothing to say. It was just and it I wasn't even 380 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,880 necessarily like at the point of weeping. 381 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,680 I was just so overwhelmed with emotion and and lost that it's 382 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,120 like I couldn't have emotion. I couldn't even cry in the 383 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:23,600 moment. I was just sitting with God, and 384 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,320 I knew that even even though I couldn't get the words to come 385 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,080 out, and even if I did say words, it wouldn't have been the 386 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,440 right thing in that moment. But the spirit in that moment 387 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,360 was there, was interceding for me in a way that I could never 388 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,720 do on my own. Yeah. 389 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Was there? That was the first one. 390 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,720 Was there a second sort of thing that you could have gone into 391 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,160 and just steered the message in a different direction? 392 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:55,360 So further along after I'd been studying this text for a bit, 393 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,560 you know, we always look for where is Jesus in the passage? 394 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,840 Like where is he in that moment? Where, where can we see glimpses 395 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,640 of Jesus all throughout Scripture? 396 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,480 And this is one of the really, really cool moments. 397 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,120 Again, I, I touched on it very briefly, but in, I think it's 398 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:17,480 Romans 834, we get to see Jesus the Son interceding at the right 399 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,760 hand of God. So in this, in this chapter and 400 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,920 in these passages, we get to see that he's interceding at the 401 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,000 right hand of God. The Spirit is interceding within 402 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,960 us in this passage and the Father is searching our hearts 403 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,240 and he's truly listening and he's truly hearing the things 404 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,760 that maybe we don't even have the words to say. 405 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,640 So throughout this passage, like getting to see the Holy Trinity 406 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,120 all at work together is, is kind of a beautiful, like theological 407 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,920 thing that I've never really thought about in prayer 408 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,520 specifically. Like when you're praying, it's 409 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,920 all three, all three are working together, all three are present, 410 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,280 all three are there doing slightly different things. 411 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,880 And I've never I've never even thought about prayer like that 412 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,000 until preparing for this sermon. I think that's really good and 413 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,520 that tied into a lot of our small small group last night 414 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:16,320 life group was we we jumped ahead another versed in thinking 415 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,840 about how all things all things working together for good is 416 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,760 really most certainly about the end game. 417 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:30,400 Like there might be it might be a job life of struggle, but we 418 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,720 know that we know the end and verse 29 that the to be 419 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,480 conformed to the image of his son you you reference verse 34 420 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,080 was raised who is at the right hand of God indeed interceding 421 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,240 for us like we know how the story ends. 422 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,120 We know who's holding it this momentary struggle, this 423 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:53,120 momentary suffering not worth comparing to the glory that is 424 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:57,360 that is to be revealed. So no and even in even in 425 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:01,560 prayer, even in those answers that aren't immediate or the 426 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,200 answers that don't come the way we want them to or or that we 427 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,200 feel a prayer is unanswered. And we talked about this in my, 428 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600 in my life group last night too, that a lot of the time I think 429 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,400 we approach a situation asking God to like fix it or get us out 430 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,800 of it. And, and that's, and there are 431 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,440 some situations maybe that are like, we are powerless to, to 432 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,120 deal with, to solve, to reconcile, to heal, whatever. 433 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,600 But also like, maybe you're in this situation because God's 434 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,880 working on changing you. Maybe it's not the situation 435 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,640 that needs to change. Maybe it's how you're molded and 436 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,200 and shaped and grown in this considered pure joy. 437 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,880 My brothers, when you face trials of many kinds, suffering 438 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,040 produces in endurance and the perseverance of your faith. 439 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,360 Like I think we we too often just want the bailout parachute. 440 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,800 Just Get Me Out of here when it when it's. 441 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,680 No, I'm I'm refining you through through fire. 442 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Like, yeah, so. Well, and I this this talk of 443 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,960 intercession, it man that is so, so important for the Christian 444 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,760 to understand because, you know, I, I've known any number of 445 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,160 Christians and it's like, yeah, I know Jesus died for my sins 446 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,720 and that's all well and good. But here I sit in whatever 447 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840 suffering or misery and, and great, I've got this, I've got 448 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,640 this end game in mind. And that's all well and good, 449 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,280 but right now, who's with me? And The thing is like, as the 450 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,640 Spirit is interceding, as Jesus is interceding, as God is 451 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,120 searching the heart, we are, and you mentioned it yesterday, we 452 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,920 are not alone in any of these things. 453 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,160 And so with this level of comfort that the Trinity gives 454 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,400 us, if we can, if we can just kind of sink into that a little 455 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,520 bit, even when we might be alone in a situation or a scenario, we 456 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,640 never are. There is this power imbued in 457 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,240 the believer through the Holy Spirit that allows us to have a 458 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,840 level of comfort and a level of peace that is just not available 459 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,320 anywhere else. I don't care how many self help 460 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,360 books you read, that power that that peace is not available 461 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:20,360 through anyone else but God the Father, the Son, the Holy 462 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:21,760 Spirit. It's just not there. 463 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,520 So some of the, some of the other things I think in here and 464 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,080 you did a really good job drawing it out the, the spirit 465 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,480 working in our weakness. That's, that's the opening, the 466 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,480 spirit helping us in our weakness. 467 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,800 I, I thought you did a really good job talking about the hope 468 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,320 that we have in weakness, but also the strength in which the 469 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,640 spirit works and, and also how the spirit in times we are 470 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,080 strong. It's the, it's the strength of 471 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,640 the spirit still working. It's not like an exclusive thing 472 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,200 to OK, we're in a weak moment and God shows up. 473 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:04,320 Like I think you did a good job of drawing that out that it's 474 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,240 it's in those weakest moments that we tend to lose sight of 475 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,680 God. But also do we maybe what I kind 476 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,000 of thought of was like in those moments of strength, are we also 477 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,960 apartment to lose sight of God in that? 478 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,120 Well, it's going pretty well. I feel like I got this thing 479 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,400 handled and got this thing under control. 480 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,520 So God's strength also seems less than in in the moments that 481 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,040 is going well because it it seems like, oh, I got this. 482 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,320 But yeah, so that that the spirit bringing those words. 483 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,520 I thought, I thought, I mean this these verses, they kind of 484 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,760 preach themselves too, but like, but we do not know what to pray 485 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,520 as we ought. I feel like that's a lot of 486 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 people, right. Just just raise their hand and 487 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,120 like, yeah, I don't I'm not going to pray. 488 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,040 I don't know the words to say. I don't have the right words. 489 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,280 How do I how do I pray? We're actually going to get into 490 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,480 a question next week on the Lord the Lord's Prayer. 491 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,720 We're going to do an ask ask me anything episode and one of the 492 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,960 questions is on the Lord's Prayer. 493 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,920 So a little bit deeper into that of how we ought to pray. 494 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,320 That'll be coming next week. But even the spirit, we already 495 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,160 talked about the groanings too deep forwards something beyond 496 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,560 that. There's a feeling, there's an 497 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,960 emotion, there's a there's a sort of shared sorrow bearing 498 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,480 each other's burdens in the like. 499 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,640 Yeah, this is terrible and even in my strength to solve this 500 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,920 like I the the empathy in in the spirit for yes, knowing 501 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,080 understanding in the person of Jesus, every every struggle, 502 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,320 every hardship that he that we could experience, he 503 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,960 experienced, yet he did not sin. Like that's the, that's the 504 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,320 strength we have to stand in that. 505 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,840 Think about the sorrow that Jesus experiences it and and 506 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,760 I'll just name it too. I'll just name too. 507 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,360 But you know, the sorrow at Lazarus's tomb, He knew what he 508 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,520 was going to do. And yet he wept and it was an 509 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,840 angry cry. OK, So like he knows what he's 510 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,720 going to do, but he like basically angry cries anyway. 511 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,440 And then as he's approaching the city before his crucifixion, 512 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520 that that Holy Week, he just, he cries again. 513 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,920 And, and he's just, he's really upset as he looks at the city, 514 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,600 as he looks at these people. And he's like, I want this so 515 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,200 bad for you. And how, how are you not 516 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,040 receiving it? And so I think those are two 517 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,880 picture perfect moments of like this is this is how God's heart 518 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,080 breaks because he wants salvation for his people so 519 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,600 badly. So I, I just that that resonates 520 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,520 with me, especially those two moments. 521 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Yeah. Well, in the, the weakness, you 522 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,440 know, in, in our culture, we see in when we view weaknesses 523 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,840 failure. But in this text we're, we're 524 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,600 shown that it's, it's not it's, I think in I think it's second 525 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,560 Corinthians somewhere Paul says my power is made perfect in 526 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,280 weakness. Like when you are weak is when 527 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,480 God is, is working in the most powerful ways that you can't 528 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,640 even see in the moment. And yeah, that led right into 529 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,800 the, the imagery of, you know, Jesus could have saved himself 530 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,400 at any moment. He could have called upon a 531 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,800 legion of angels to come and save him, but he didn't. 532 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,520 And that looked like weakness. But it was in that weakness that 533 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,240 he conquered death, which was the the only thing we truly had 534 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,760 to fear because we had no, we had no promise after death at 535 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,840 that point. And so he, in his weakness, in 536 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,280 that moment of weakness, we wept and we saw him and we're, and 537 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,560 we're thinking what, you know, if he is Jesus, why didn't he 538 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,920 save himself? Why didn't he call upon that 539 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,600 legion of angels? But it was in that weakness that 540 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,080 he he conquered everything. Yeah, that's so good. 541 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,080 Yeah, and isn't it funny how Satan and death itself is 542 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,800 seemingly mocking Jesus on the cross? 543 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,680 I mean, you're, you're looking at people who are absolutely 544 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,760 thinking, man, this bet is cashing in. 545 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:12,240 This guy is not the Messiah. And that weakness just turns 546 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,480 over on the third day and it changes the world. 547 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,840 It changes all of eternity. And that is that is the 548 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,320 greatest. I mean, that's one of the 549 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640 greatest things about Christianity because every other 550 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,760 religion on the planet says do more, try harder, you know, do 551 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,400 this yourself. And maybe, maybe at the end, 552 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,240 you've done enough, you've tried enough, You've whatever to like, 553 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,440 earn God's love and respect. Christianity says it is in 554 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,800 weakness. Well, we've said this before. 555 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,560 All you need is need, and Christianity is the perfect 556 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,680 picture of that. The cross is the perfect picture 557 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,120 of that. Yeah. 558 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:58,680 That's so good, so good. This is really short passage. 559 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,600 There's no what what meat is left on the bones here. 560 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,560 Gentlemen, we know that for those who love God, all things 561 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,320 work together for good for those who are called according to his 562 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,760 purpose. I think in my experience this 563 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,800 verse is misquoted and mischaracterized a ton. 564 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,480 There are there are conditions in this statement right. 565 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,400 I think this is very often quite it gets muddled up with the 566 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,440 Joseph verse in in Genesis of when he's reconciled with his 567 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,440 brothers and what what you intended for evil, God worked 568 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,080 for good, which which is what that verse says. 569 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,560 And then but we we kind of just lump it into God works all 570 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,040 things together for good like he did for Joseph. 571 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560 That's not what this verse. That's not what this verse says, 572 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,400 right. What are the conditions? 573 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600 We know that for those who love God. 574 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,880 OK, so, so First off, and, and again, this isn't some 575 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,760 prosperity gospel like join the club and your life's going to be 576 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,760 perfect sort of thing. Love God, love people. 577 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,720 Those are the condensed commandments right from Jesus. 578 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,560 So for those who love God, all things work together for good 579 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,840 for those who are called according to his purpose. 580 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,200 All right, so that there is there is a condition in there. 581 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,080 And I even think, I think it's a 2 step condition, if it, if I'm 582 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,120 reading this correctly, because I, I think there is, and 583 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,520 scripture talks about this too. Like, are you, are you still in 584 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,480 baby Christian mode that you do that you love God and and you 585 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,880 can say that and I and I love Jesus and I believe in Jesus and 586 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,800 I'm here for Jesus. But like, are we supposed to 587 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,360 stay? Is that is that enough? 588 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,200 Sure, I I do think that's enough for salvation. 589 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000 Is that everything that we're called to as disciples of 590 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,720 Christ? No, it's not. 591 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,520 We're we're not called to stay in that state of oh, this is so 592 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120 good and Jesus so good and all the and all the things. 593 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,760 No, we're, we're called according to his purpose for 594 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,000 what? Well, lots of things you just go 595 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,440 back to the Great Commission and we can do that. 596 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,880 Go therefore, therefore and make disciples, baptizing and 597 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,560 teaching, love God, love people. There's a lot of things in 598 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,199 there. Even Ephesians 289 and 10, yes, 599 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,360 for by grace you've been saved through faith, not of 600 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,199 yourselves, but it's it's for the good works that God planned 601 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,040 in advance for, for those that love him, right. 602 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:43,040 So there's kind of A2 fold thing loving God from the get go and 603 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,239 understanding what Jesus did for you, but then kind of in a 604 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:53,920 Jamesian way, are you are are you living a faith out in works? 605 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,960 Are you, are you showing that faith by your works called 606 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,400 according to God's purposes? Are are you acting out God's 607 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,760 purposes? Then in those things God works 608 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,480 all things together for good. Am I? 609 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,480 Am I off the map here? No, I think I, I definitely 610 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,120 agree with that view. I mean, we're called according 611 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,840 to his purpose. I mean, we have the choice to 612 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000 walk down any path we have. We have the choice to, to go 613 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,120 anywhere that we, that we want to. 614 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,920 We have free will to choose where to go. 615 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,280 But when you're walking with Christ, that is when you know 616 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,080 things are working according to His for His purpose and for our 617 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,200 good. And that's what I think the 618 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,800 focus is you. You said that yesterday, even 619 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,640 the the song we sang his, his glory and my good, like his 620 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,760 glory is the main thing, right? And his his glory is our good, 621 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,760 even in even if that doesn't feel good. 622 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,600 And that was one of the discussion questions you asked 623 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,240 about about the passage too. For life groups like is good our 624 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,280 our comfort and blessing. It can be, I thought like it can 625 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,240 be manifested in that. But even when it's not comfort 626 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:11,000 and blessing, if if it's God's glory, there is good in that 627 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:14,120 right? You know what, thank you for 628 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,760 this podcast because so just a preview this upcoming Sunday, 629 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560 we're going to, we're going to cover 28 through 30 and you're 630 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,280 like, we already covered 28. Well, I have just been inspired 631 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,240 when we cover 28 this Sunday, we absolutely have to actually 632 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,960 define what does it mean to love God. 633 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,720 Because you are right, that is a conditional thing. 634 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,000 Well, what does that really mean? 635 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,680 Guess what we shouldn't take the time to do in this podcast is 636 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,920 iron all that out. I guess what I am going to do 637 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,680 this Sunday. Now we have to out of the gate 638 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,640 define that conditional statement. 639 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,280 What does it really mean to love God? 640 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,320 What does that look like? So thank you. 641 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,120 There's, there's .1. I wondered. 642 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,360 What you were scrolling so furious man. 643 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,840 Dream journal there, but. .1 Dream Journal. 644 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,080 You don't keep that by your night stand, brother. 645 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,920 Brilliant, brilliant sermon inside. 646 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,120 No, the dream journal, the brilliant ideas that you have 647 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,720 while you're sleeping, so you can just write them down right 648 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,760 there. Do I have ideas while I'm 649 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200 sleeping? You seem like the kind of guy 650 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,360 that would just like jolt awake in the middle of the night. 651 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,920 I don't. Know if that's good or bad? 652 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,720 Great dump. Scott by job. 653 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,760 I think I've got it. Come on, back me up on this 654 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,160 people. Oh my gosh. 655 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,840 Well, no. But you know, we, we absolutely 656 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,240 have to figure out what does that actually look like. 657 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:49,040 So now we're definitely going to do that this Sunday. 658 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,920 Sweet. I'm glad we gave you a jumping 659 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,160 off point there. All right, gentlemen, anything 660 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,920 else here that you'd like to unpack or, or take a couple 661 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,880 layers off? I think we've, I think we've 662 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,840 rifled through these 3 verses pretty well, but. 663 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,400 Yeah, and I mean, I said it on Sunday like it's only three 664 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520 verses. It's a relatively short passage 665 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,920 to preach on, but there's so much there that, you know, I 666 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,240 kind of tried to piece together everything as best I could 667 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,680 without spending a ton of time. I mean, we spent ample minutes 668 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,600 on several of these topics diving into, you know, what does 669 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,440 that look like? And it sounds like we're going 670 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,520 to spend some more time in those things. 671 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,360 So I'm very glad we got to, you know, dive a little more into 672 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,760 this because even something as simple as 3 verses can hold so 673 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,400 much depth and and so much more than what we can get to on a 674 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,680 Sunday morning. God's word is living and active, 675 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,000 baby, it goes hard. I said it. 676 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,520 I said it just the way I said it. 677 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,680 And Matt's laughing at me. It's fine. 678 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,840 It's fine. So glad that you're preaching on 679 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,200 Sunday. You, you have so much time to 680 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,720 pick the right words. You saying those were the wrong 681 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,400 ones. I think those were the wrong 682 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,880 ones. But you got six days, so it's 683 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,680 fine. Jesus only needed three. 684 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:18,080 You have 6. It'll be it'll, it'll be a lot 685 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,200 can happen in three days. Even more can happen in six. 686 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:26,920 All right, love you, brother. All right, thanks, guys. 687 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,880 This was good church. We appreciate you listening in 688 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,240 and being encouraged and filled with God's Word. 689 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,080 Invite you one more this Sunday. Easter is a few weeks away. 690 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,320 Help us pack God's house on that joyous Sunday. 691 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,200 And we're so grateful that you're part of our community 692 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,160 here into it. Have a blessed week.