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Happy Monday. 
I'm Pastor Matt. 

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Pastor Chris, that was. 
Weirder. 

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It's so weird. 
That was that was like a 

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character and I can't, I can't. 
It's it's all it's like the guy 

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in the is it the Allstate 
commercials or the where he's 

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he's like fishing and he I got 
your dollar. 

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OK, OK. 
If I can live into that persona,

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that's that's actually pretty 
great. 

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There's some links that I 
introduce you and I say Pastor 

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Chris, but like I feel like 
whenever you say it, that's now 

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the voice that you say it in I. 
Don't know because you said it 

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weird a number of weeks ago and 
now, yeah. 

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And now I just, I get in front 
of this microphone and I cannot 

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help myself. 
It's just what I have the weird 

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urge to do is to say my own name
in a really strange way. 

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And that's pretty on point for 
the ERC Leftovers podcast. 

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Yesterday we had Vision Sunday, 
the next step in the Exodus 

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series as well. 
And I was, I was wildly 

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encouraged, felt like the room, 
the gathering, I should say 

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rooms cause the the atrium was 
full of people too. 

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The the sanctuaries packed out, 
overflowing the atrium. 

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I felt like people were were 
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step into the things that God 
has next for us here as we look 

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to to reach one more and and 
really continue to grow. 

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I said it in the service 
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We're not, we're not small 
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not. 
And, and that's different than 

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the church that many of you came
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Many, many of you, some of you 
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a small church. 
Well, God has God has moved and 

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the Spirit has stirred and we've
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depth. 
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If I, I said it yesterday about,
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We have more people in here than
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And we can look at God and say, 
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But that's not, I don't think 
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I don't think that's what the 
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And so I was, I was very 
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yesterday of people being 
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dive into that. 
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Well, and I appreciated the way 
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because I do think there's 
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heartwarming and nice about 
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And even if I don't know every 
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recognize your face if I run 
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we can definitely exchange 
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And it's like, oh, we go to the 
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that's really cool. 
But The thing is like you, you 

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said it well. 
And it's like, do we put a cap 

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on God and say, Hey, all right, 
we've done our part. 

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We filled this one space And so 
we're done. 

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We're good. 
Let's just maintain what we have

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for in perpetuity. 
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we're not willing to do that. 
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We're we're going to keep 
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be cool kids club, but because 
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more and we want to push those 
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can. 
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much as I could. 
I would love to say that coming 

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up on retirement this year. 
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That's not that's not real. 
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here, not dead, not done. 
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by others, not by me, but yeah, 
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the the Christian and the 
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There's still more to reach. 
So no very excited for what's in

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store. 
Thanks for coming out and 

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celebrating with us and dwelling
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us and how and how God's going 
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And there are this is just 
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I said yes, it's just the start.
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amazing things ahead that God 
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that that he's already working 
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So. 
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feel like we're, we're just 
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I hope that's our attitude in 
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Because if you ever feel like 
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then the gospel has probably not
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soul. 
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gospel. 
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We, we're, we're never finished 
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We're always, always reaching 
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Yeah, Yep. 
So no, very great. 

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Great day, great week. 
I lost mine. 

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I lost my voice halfway through 
the message that was that was 

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weird. 
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don't know, there's some 
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of year where I wake up and I 
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like tough vocal day. 
It's gonna, it's gonna be dry a 

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little little. 
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Like even singing the first few 
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I got like 10 minutes in and all
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sorry. 
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discussion. 
Noises coming through your 

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stereo or wherever you're 
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Not good. 
So my voice is still a little 

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scratchy this morning, but we're
going to press on through for 

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your episode of The Leftovers 
today we're in Exodus 19, 

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working through most of that 
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message with Moses and the 
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But before we get there next 
week, we have an AMA episode Ask

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Me Anything, and we've got a lot
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You're still welcome to text 
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We're till about Wednesday. 
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We're going to have a a cut off 
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So you're welcome to text those 
in message on Facebook. 

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Even comment on this podcast 
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If you have asked me anything 
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theological, whatever it is. 
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episode next week because past 
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next week. 
That'll be good. 

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Yeah, pretty excited. 
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exit. 
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even more than I love Iowa. 
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And yeah, I don't know, it's 
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All right, sweet. 
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So before we get to that, we 
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the last time we did this that 
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And this one is simply please 
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throughout the Old Testament. 
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she own. 
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mentioned this resource before, 
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this resource again, it's just a
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And I would not, I've combed 
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lot of different topics over the
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to a conclusion on certain 
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vast majority of them, I think 
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So gotquestions.org and I 
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phrase this because you can just
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in the text box and it'll 
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you. 
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what they say. 
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word used to denote the realm of
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It simply means the place of the
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departed souls and spirits. 
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equivalent of Sheol is Hades, 
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reference to the place of the 
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Hades is divided into a place of
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Luke 16, and a place of torment 
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Luke 16. 
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temporary place where souls are 
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resurrection. 
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death go directly to the 
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So where do we see? 
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this idea? 
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the New Testament word for hell.
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marked difference there in those
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So, so Sheol is both. 
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Is that what I'm hearing you 
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on Earth, you know, it is the 
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bad. 
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would understand that as heaven 
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Sheol is heaven immediately 
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presence. 
There's A and I don't want to. 

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So like it kind of sounded like 
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a little bit, but it's but it's 
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place. 
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there is a separation, there's a
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It's a, you know, what we call 
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So there's those on his right 
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presence, and there's those on 
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into Gehenna. 
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damnation, as it were. 
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into got questions there because
the concordance the the original

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language software in accordance 
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they simply there's no there's 
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It's just Sheol Hebrew word 
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Aren't you not supposed to use 
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Right, I think you. 
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No, it wasn't it wasn't great. 
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especially in maybe it just I, I
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positive Bible verse actually. 
Like I feel like in the Old 

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Testament it's always talking 
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I mean, beside yeah, yeah, I I 
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I can't think of a positive 
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website brings up in Las 16 is a
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longer found in body on earth. 
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place or the other. 
Man So what was what was that 

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like for Lazarus? 
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Michael or something? 
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'cause it was about like Michael
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of the angels like Lazarus is 
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the presence of God and he just 
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Like dude, we, we got to send 
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Like what? 
You know, I wonder that too, you

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know. 
So you're Speaking of the 

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Lazarus who Jesus raised from 
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the Lazarus in the story in 16 
right 'cause we have two 

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different Lazaruses. 
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think of the like Jesus raised 
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Right. 
So the the story that we get 

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from Jesus about Lazarus and the
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he's destitute and he's at the 
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and they both die. 
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about the poor, the oppressed, 
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worshipped his own flesh. 
You know, he goes down to Sheol 

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in the negative sense. 
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the most positive sense, in 
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consoling him there. 
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goes, you know, there's the the 
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begging for Lazarus to be sent 
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finger to cool his tongue. 
And then it becomes very obvious

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through what Jesus says that one
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other. 
Sorry, this is not an option for

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you. 
If you're there, you're there. 

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holding pattern picture I guess.
I guess we get up that they are 

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in damnation, but not in a God's
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see, he could see the other 

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half, the good half of Sheol 
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Which is interesting because 
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Jesus speaking through speaking 
for Abraham, you know, there's 

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this great chasm between US and 
nobody can move from one side of

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This is not possible. 

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Right. 
It's already. 

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It's already done. 
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isn't it, the way he describes 
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So so this isn't related to the 
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me think of so Jesus 
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where his friend, his friend 
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right? 
He's he actually, he's told of 

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his death and he actually stays 
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then he goes back. 
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a couple days. 
What was what was that like 

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then? 
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Wouldn't Lazarus be a little 
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Like dude, I had it made. 
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rabbit holes actually. 
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than earth with Jesus slash? 
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there? 
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unanswerable questions without 

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just a sheer guess. 
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that there are answers 
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semantics of the questions. 
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heaven without Jesus better than
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Well, I would suspect. 
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Gosh. 
Because, like, disappointing, 

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yeah, but like, also, dude, we 
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get to chill with Jesus. 
I don't know, not terrible. 

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sickness, disease, heartache, 
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paradise is none. 
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Yeah, that's. 
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All right. 
I don't know. 

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My mind ran with that out of the
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So I don't know. 
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It's good to have questions. 
I guess. 

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there's we can Google 
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imagined. 
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curiosity is a generally 
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Unfortunate, yeah. 
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into Exodus chapter 19, the 
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Sinai. 
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of the the bookends. 
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couple weeks. 
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kind of take the beginning and 
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that's been the, the large 
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it tied in well. 
It's going to set up next week. 

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We're in the actual 10 
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goodness of God's law, the 
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necessity for them. 
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talking about yesterday too, 
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has declared or commanded or 
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lives for us to pop to follow, 
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not just to have rules because 
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19 on the first day of the third
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Egypt on that very day, they 
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After they set out from Refidim,
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in Israel, camp there in the 
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All right, so we're 60 days plus
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been wandering the desert, 
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crossing red seas and being 
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cloud, pillar cloud of smoke and
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mountain and said, this is what 
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descendants of Jacob, what 
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Israel. 
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What's the difference? 
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the descendants of Jacob and the
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Wow, I did not see that. 
That is a curveball. 

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The answer is less exciting than
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They're the same thing. 
Yeah, I was going to say I'm 

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going to need a second to 
process this. 

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That was, that was, that was a 
nice pitch. 

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It's it's just, it's just two 
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There are, there are some Old 
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descendants of Jacob as kind of 
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connotation for the people of 
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actual like the people of 
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being like God's completed 
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and righteous people. 
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there's that there's actually 
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this grumbling, why there's this
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There is this faction of people 
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They're they're they're not, 
they're not convinced. 

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And there's maybe this smaller 
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we're in like, like this is this
is Yahweh. 

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This is the guy who defeated the
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promised land and he is going to
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Is I, I think it's, yeah, I 
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interesting of, of those two 
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group of people, meaning kind of
where they are on the faith 

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meter, if that makes sense. 
No. 

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certainly within modern 
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you are going to have a wide 
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given room and a wide spectrum 
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within any given room. 
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if you have two million plus 
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engaged spiritually with what's 
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different, yeah, fraction or 
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different levels of trust and 
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them in front of their very 
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So I think I, I think I agree. 

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I think, and that's maybe I 
don't know if that has to be 

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anything, but it was, it is 
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kind of called do two different 
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group of people. 
Yeah, well, and, you know, going

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back to, you know, God renames. 
So many things. 

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Yeah, well, I mean, he renamed 
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Yeah. 
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God's given name for Jacob 
because Jacob was given his name

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at birth because he was hanging 
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And it's kind of a kind of a 
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Yeah, as God renames him Israel 
now he's claiming him and every 

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bit of people in his lineage as 
these are mine now. 

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Right, yes. 
And that that idea is kind of 

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carried out here. 
Verse 4 You yourselves have seen

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what I did to Egypt, how I 
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brought you to myself. 
Mine. 

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There's, there's that my mind 
language there and the 

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conditional statement that you 
brought out. 

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Now if you obey me fully and 
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all the nations you will be my 
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Although the whole earth is 
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Kingdom of priests and a holy 
nation. 

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Yeah, and I think that's really 
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want to, we don't want to see 
that if as if like God's going 

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to stop loving you or he's going
to stop, quote UN quote, 

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possessing and owning you as his
own. 

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But we do want to say that there
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between, you know, God loving 
his people as a treasured 

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possession who are working very 
diligently at following him 

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specifically because the whole 
earth is his. 

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You know that. 
OK, so the whole house I live 

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in, let's say the whole house is
mine and every bit of possession

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in it. 
But if there's a fire in my 

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house and I've got 30 seconds to
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go, I'm going to grab my 
treasured possessions. 

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So for me, that's probably, I 
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what that looks like, but 
certainly in that in those brief

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moments of I only have to grab 
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well, that's what it means. 
When we are in relationship with

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God, we are now of dire 
importance. 

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And so in the fire, he's going 
to grab us first. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, that's so good. 

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I wish I would have said it that
way yesterday. 

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Actually, now that I think about
it, that's that was a way better

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way to say it. 
Moses went back and summoned the

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elders, verse 7, and set before 
them all the words the Lord had 

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commanded him to speak. 
The people all responded 

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together, all 2 million of them,
Right? 

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We will do everything the Lord 
has said. 

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Resounding unison voice again. 
How they were all singing 

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together too. 
So Moses brought their answer 

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back to the Lord. 
Look at look at this 

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declaration. 
We will do everything the Lord 

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has said. 
Liars. 

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Yep, you know, but The thing is 
though, like you got it. 

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I I think on some level you have
to, you have to applaud the. 

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Effort and. 
The confidence there and you 

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know, the, the very real hope 
and expectation that you know 

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what we have seen this God work.
And even if I'm on a different 

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point of the spectrum of my 
faith, like I've seen this and 

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I'm this is, this is how I want 
to live my life now. 

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And I'm dedicating myself to 
that as best as I possibly can. 

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Yeah, I think, I think, I guess 
I'd rather have that posture. 

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Oh yeah, we're, we're chasing 
this. 

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We're, we're, we're gonna, God 
gave us these commands. 

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We, we, we're gonna obey them 
knowing full well that we're, 

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they're gonna fall short. 
But like, that's the goal, 

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right? 
Like that's what we're, that's 

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what we're chasing. 
So. 

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Well, and of course, this is 
prior to the content 

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commandments being spoken, so 
you might almost ask, do they 

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know what they're signing up? 
For you know that we're getting 

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into you do. 
You know that you're not 

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supposed to lie anymore. 
Do you know you're not supposed 

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to covet your neighbors stuff 
anymore? 

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I'm sure you already know you're
not supposed to commit adultery 

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and kill people, but you know, 
like, do we know that, you know,

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do you really know what you're 
getting into? 

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And so I think part of the 
growth of a Christian is 

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recognizing new everyday month, 
year, whatever that you maintain

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that faith and that you grow 
into that faith. 

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Like there's always a deeper 
level. 

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And so one of the things that 
I've heard, what I, which I 

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think is true and interesting is
that as you grow in faith and 

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maturity, what will happen is, 
and John MacArthur says this and

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I mostly believe it, that as you
grow closer to the Lord, you 

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will probably tend to sin less. 
But the sins that you still have

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that you're recognizing as 
falling short of God's God's 

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best design for you, you're 
going to feel those even more 

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than when you are more casual 
about your faith. 

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You're like, well, it's fine. 
Whatever God Forgives me. 

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No, like when I, and I can even 
say this for myself when I know 

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I've fallen short when I sin now
that feels way heavier on quote 

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UN quote, A lesser sin. 
I quote UN quote on purpose 

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because but anyway, that feels 
so heavy to me now because I 

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have disappointed one who I 
deeply love. 

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And that's where that really, 
that's where that comes from is 

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I don't, I don't want to fall 
short on somebody that I care 

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about so deeply, you know? 
And so then I, I, I feel that a 

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little bit more, I guess. 
Verse 10 Then the Lord said to 

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Moses, go to the people and 
consecrate them. 

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Wow. 
Go to the people and consecrate 

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them today and tomorrow. 
Let them wash their clothes, let

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them be ready for the third day.
Consecrate big Christian 

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religious rounding word. 
Right. 

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Yeah. 
So sometimes what we see in this

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kind of consecration is 
sometimes it's fasting. 

448
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,880
You know, in order to prepare 
myself for a particular moment, 

449
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,480
sometimes I need to fast and 
just take that day or those days

450
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,800
and just fully rely on the Lord 
and confessing my sins to Him 

451
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,880
and and preparing my heart to 
meet him. 

452
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,160
Think about this. 
There's almost a level of 

453
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,680
consecration that happens before
we receive the Lord's Supper. 

454
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,440
The Bible tells us that we are 
to confess our sins, you know, 

455
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,680
and so like, what am I doing 
before I receive the body and 

456
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
blood of Jesus? 
Like it's a, it's a form of 

457
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,560
consecration. 
I'm admitting my fault to him. 

458
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,720
I'm, I'm running back to the 
foot of the cross and saying, 

459
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,320
Jesus, I need you. 
And so that is just preparing my

460
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,560
heart for that moment. 
And this is kind of the same 

461
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,680
thing. 
Yeah. 

462
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,440
So I mean consecrate really just
to make sacred to to make ready 

463
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,320
like like you're saying to ready
to approach and God's kind of 

464
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,440
laying these boundary lines 
around the mountain, right? 

465
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,120
Like this is this is a holy 
place. 

466
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,800
Have them get ready. 
I think it's interesting a 

467
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,840
little again, a little Jesusy, a
little forward illusion to be 

468
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,480
ready by the third day, because 
on that day the Lord will come 

469
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,280
down on Mount Sinai in the sight
of all the people. 

470
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,960
Where else do we see three days 
that the the tomb obviously, and

471
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,680
what were what were even the 
women doing the the day before 

472
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,280
and the morning of that they 
were making ready to, to prepare

473
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,840
right to to get ready the body 
of of Jesus to care for it and 

474
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,960
then even on his return. 
I, I think, I think there's 

475
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,760
parallels here too of our 
readiness. 

476
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,960
Are are we living in the three 
days right now for, for God's, 

477
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,680
God's return? 
Are are we preparing and making 

478
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,880
red hot, washing our clothes, 
becoming sacred, like be holy as

479
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,720
I am holy, right? 
Those are, those are the words 

480
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,760
of, of Jesus. 
Are we living in the three days,

481
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,360
ready for God to come down the 
mountain, for Jesus to come 

482
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,840
back, as it were? 
That's an excellent, excellent 

483
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,240
thought. 
I mean, that's that's perfect. 

484
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,680
Yeah. 
Living in the three days. 

485
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,680
Wow. 
One could even make a series out

486
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,640
of. 
That I suspect. 

487
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720
That's really good. 
Yeah. 

488
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,160
I like that a lot. 
I'm I want to steal that at some

489
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,600
point. 
If you don't get to it first, I 

490
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,000
might. 
I think we probably could. 

491
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,520
Verse 12 God says put limits for
the people around the mountain 

492
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,800
and tell them be careful that 
you do not approach the mountain

493
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,720
or touch the foot of it. 
Whoever touches the mountain is 

494
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,120
to be put to death. 
Boundaries. 

495
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,360
Man boundaries. 
Big. 

496
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,520
These are so big, the, the 
approachability of God in His 

497
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,160
Holiness. 
It is something we ought to 

498
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,680
yeah, we, we walk carefully 
around that simply because he 

499
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,520
is, he is so set apart, so 
different from us. 

500
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,120
He gave us his likeness in his 
image. 

501
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,240
And so therefore we are image 
bearers of him, but we are not 

502
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,520
him. 
And so I mean to to take that 

503
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,480
really seriously is an important
thing that we ought to do. 

504
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,200
Yeah, absolutely. 
Absolutely severe judgement 

505
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,840
verse 13, they are to be stoned 
or shot with arrows, not a hand 

506
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,280
is to be laid on them. 
So they're kind of they need to 

507
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,200
be taken away to their life 
taken from afar with range 

508
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,080
attacks for some some reason, 
only when the ram's horn sounds 

509
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,000
a long blast, they may approach 
the mountain. 

510
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,520
So this was interesting to me 
too. 

511
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Like the people of Israel are 
still having all these moments 

512
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,360
of in between faith and doubt, 
right, of of what's happening. 

513
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,080
And we see this in verse 13 and 
then even further down in verse 

514
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160
16 that you touched on 
yesterday, on the morning of the

515
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,240
third day, there was Thunder and
lightning with a thick cloud 

516
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,400
over the mountain and a very 
loud trumpet blast. 

517
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,120
They're, they're amidst all this
faith and doubt who's who was 

518
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,800
blowing the ram's horn. 
Is this just like a trumpet is 

519
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,440
just sounding from the sky Like 
there's, there's crazy unnatural

520
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520
stuff happening and they're 
still like. 

521
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Not. 
Sure that this guy has any 

522
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,800
power? 
Like what? 

523
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,320
You know, when we also hear 
about the, of course, we went 

524
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
through the Revelation, the Book
of Revelation not so long ago. 

525
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,480
And trumpet blast is a thing 
that we hear often, you know, as

526
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,280
God is approaching. 
And I can only imagine, 

527
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,640
especially if you think about 
going back hundreds or thousands

528
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
of years, when you're about to 
go to war, there is a blast of a

529
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,720
trumpet. 
Something big is about to occur.

530
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,800
Life is going to be taken And, 
and it's, it's just it, it's 

531
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,000
overwhelming, I suspect, to hear
that noise and to, to, to all of

532
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,520
a sudden, like, Oh my gosh, I'm,
I'm kind of scared out of my 

533
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,960
socks right now because what is 
about to happen? 

534
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,200
And I, and I think that's, I 
think that's a unique thing that

535
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,960
God does that humans have taken 
on as like, yeah, a war cry of 

536
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,280
sorts. 
And they were scared out of 

537
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,880
their socks. 
Versus 18 Mount Sinai was 

538
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,600
covered with smoke because the 
Lord descended on it in fire. 

539
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,960
The smoke billet up from it like
smoke from a furnace, and the 

540
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,040
whole mountain trembled 
violently. 

541
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Verse 16 it says even the the 
people, everyone in the camp 

542
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,960
trembled. 
Even the mountain mountain 

543
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,240
trembled violently. 
Is that that a Tarsa Clay song? 

544
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,200
Did you did you feel the 
mountains tremble? 

545
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,520
Wow, I. 
Think that's? 

546
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,240
Yeah. 
Tarsa Clay, maybe. 

547
00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,880
I don't know. 
Delirious. 

548
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,600
No, it's delirious. 
Did you feel the mountains 

549
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,200
tremble? 
Yeah. 

550
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,160
Sorry. 
That's. 

551
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,520
That's when you were still 
living in sin. 

552
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,240
I'm sorry. 
I knew. 

553
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Pagan. 
Yeah. 

554
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,680
You did not know 90s Christian 
music, you Pagan. 

555
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,960
How dare you. 
Wow, wow. 

556
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,520
No. 
But OK, So again, we've talked 

557
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,360
about this in recent weeks where
God is using what we would maybe

558
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,040
call natural phenomena, like in 
this case an earthquake. 

559
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,800
He's using natural phenomena to 
do something more than what a 

560
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,560
natural phenomenon would be. 
So yes, we experience 

561
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,520
earthquakes on earth and all 
that's true. 

562
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,840
But for him to shake the 
mountain is a much deeper level 

563
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,000
of earthquake than I think what 
any of these people had ever 

564
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,120
experienced before. 
So if you think about, you know,

565
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,960
people who have been in 
earthquakes, it's a, it's a very

566
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,880
strange thing for them to be a 
part of because the whole earth,

567
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,840
the one thing that we feel like 
is solid under our feet, that 

568
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,600
all of a sudden is no longer 
solid. 

569
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,760
It's nothing that I can rely 
upon. 

570
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,440
And to have the earth or the 
mountain shake is to shake us 

571
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,200
down to our core of what we 
think is true. 

572
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,160
Man, you had a note in the study
guide from this week in your 

573
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,720
little fun memory verse Did You 
know section So Javal Makhla, 

574
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,560
thought to be the the modern day
name for Mount Sinai, recognized

575
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,080
by its distinct blackened peak, 
which some say may be the 

576
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,840
evidence of God descending on 
Mount Sinai as a fire. 

577
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120
The rocks at the top of the 
mountain are only black on the 

578
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,640
outside, indicating the rocks 
had a chemical interaction that 

579
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,360
only altered the outside and 
only occurred at the top of the 

580
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,720
peak. 
I hadn't looked at pictures of 

581
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,600
this until now. 
Oh, it's crazy. 

582
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,280
Got to look it up. 
If you if you're hearing this, 

583
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,920
you have to look this, this 
thing up because it is charred. 

584
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:05,080
And for now, thousands of years,
it has maintained its charred, 

585
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,240
hardened state. 
And it's only right at the very 

586
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,000
top where the fire was reported 
to come down. 

587
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,880
And scientists can look at this 
and you can do some more digging

588
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,960
if you want to. 
But the amount of heat that it 

589
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,080
takes to do that to rock is 
phenomenal. 

590
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,200
Man, that's crazy. 
Isn't it cool? 

591
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,120
It's very cool. 
So we'll link, we'll link the 

592
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,720
link. 
I guess that's what you do with 

593
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,000
the link, link, link, link in 
the in the show notes in the 

594
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,520
comments section here. 
So you can check out because 

595
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:42,240
it's kind of JABALMAQLA Jabal 
Makla guessing on how you 

596
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,960
pronounce that. 
But no, some of these pictures 

597
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,760
like the distinct top part, the 
top peak of it being bland. 

598
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,360
It's a large area of it. 
It's not just like this little 

599
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,080
cap of the mountain. 
It's it's a big part of it. 

600
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Well, and that's the thing, you 
know, scientists would tell you 

601
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,360
that if it's a lightning strike,
for example, because some might 

602
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,560
argue, well, maybe lightning 
just struck that part of the 

603
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,680
mountain, but that would be such
a smaller, refined area. 

604
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,840
And that has the potential, you 
know, over thousands of years to

605
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,840
erode because the heat would not
be such that it would hold on 

606
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,400
permanently. 
But this level of heat, this 

607
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,880
level of fire, this whatever 
interaction, which Christians 

608
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,960
would say this is God descending
on fire that has lasted through 

609
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,719
thousands and thousands of 
years. 

610
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,560
Now, not to take us off in a 
different direction, but like, 

611
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,480
think about this. 
So God as fire at the top of the

612
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,280
mountain just consumes and 
forever permanently changes the 

613
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,239
DNA of the mountain, you might 
say. 

614
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:50,159
But going backwards, the burning
Bush, God even in his fire is 

615
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,679
gentle with the Bush. 
He doesn't consume it. 

616
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,159
And. 
That's crazy to me that it is 

617
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,600
both and. 
Yeah, because we've seen this 

618
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,480
power before. 
That's pretty cool. 

619
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,480
Yeah, it's, it's a remarkable 
thing to to dive into. 

620
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,560
And so I would encourage any of 
you do some digging on this. 

621
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,240
This is just the really fun 
scientific historical facts of 

622
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,200
the Bible that you can get 
really lost in. 

623
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,680
But it's great to get lost in 
this stuff because again and it 

624
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,040
it activates our imagination, 
our wonder, and our awe at who 

625
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,480
this God is. 
Moving on into verse 20 and kind

626
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,840
of the last part of this chapter
here, the Lord descended to the 

627
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,880
top of Mount Sinai and called 
Moses to the top of the 

628
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,760
mountain. 
So Moses went up and the Lord 

629
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,160
said to him, go down and warn 
the people so they do not force 

630
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400
their way through to see the 
Lord and have many of them 

631
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,200
perish. 
Even the priest who approached 

632
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,040
the Lord must consecrate 
themselves or the Lord will 

633
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:47,040
break out against them. 
Really interesting to me the the

634
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,800
process or necessity for 
approaching God in a holy way, 

635
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,840
right? 
And we don't I, I not that we 

636
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,320
cheapen this all the time in our
modern Christendom, but because 

637
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,720
Jesus is Jesus is our 
intermediator, right, prophet, 

638
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:06,240
priest and king. 
He's he is the perfect priest 

639
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,240
who's empathized with our 
weaknesses and and is our 

640
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,320
intermediary between between US 
and God. 

641
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,880
But even within that. 
So like I think in some ways we 

642
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,840
almost diminish Jesus because we
don't yes, Jesus is between US 

643
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,400
and God, but I don't know that 
we approached, we think about 

644
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,960
approaching Jesus in a holy, 
consecrated, worthy way, right? 

645
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,320
Does that make sense? 
It does. 

646
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080
And This is why the New 
Testament, I think, is so 

647
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,600
interesting. 
Because God as this holy, 

648
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:46,520
otherworldly, well, God he 
becomes, he intentionally loses 

649
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,200
his glory. 
So he is approachable. 

650
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,680
And in fact, he's approachable 
to the point where you can hurt 

651
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,040
him. 
That doesn't even make sense. 

652
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,520
And this is, and this is where 
like Islam, for example, they 

653
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,440
see Jesus as a prophet of God. 
And they'll even go so far as to

654
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,080
tell you that, yes, Jesus is 
coming back a second time. 

655
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,920
But the problem that they have 
with Jesus is that he died, that

656
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,240
he as God, quote UN quote, yeah,
you can't be God if you die. 

657
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,200
There's no way. 
And So what they'll do is 

658
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,560
they'll make the argument that 
Jesus never died, that they 

659
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,600
actually switched Jesus out and 
put a different dead person in 

660
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,600
the tomb. 
And so Jesus was never actually 

661
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,400
killed on the cross is what 
they're going to argue. 

662
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,080
And so therefore, he did not die
at all. 

663
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,960
God took him back up to heaven 
before he ever died. 

664
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,960
And so that's their argument for
Jesus. 

665
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,880
Yes, he's he's a real prophet, 
but the last prophet that we are

666
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,920
to listen to is Muhammad. 
And so that's where their 

667
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,200
argument comes in. 
But they absolutely still see 

668
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Jesus as this godly prophet, 
just not the son of God who 

669
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,760
died. 
Interesting. 

670
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Right. 
Yeah. 

671
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,320
It is. 
It is. 

672
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,680
It's also a little strange 
because in some ways in order in

673
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,320
order to carry out God's plan 
and that's where more of the 

674
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,680
differences between Islam and 
Christianity breakdown to. 

675
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,640
Like I I hear how it doesn't 
make sense that he could die as 

676
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,400
being God, but it also he would 
have to perfectly be God in 

677
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,840
order to actually cover all the 
sins of the whole world too, 

678
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,680
right? 
So. 

679
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,920
And that's the major player in, 
you know, some of those 

680
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,960
theological differences. 
And that's why in Islam, you're 

681
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,720
still very much earning your way
to paradise because nobody died 

682
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,840
for you. 
Muhammad didn't die for you. 

683
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,120
In their view, Jesus didn't die 
for you. 

684
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,080
God can't die. 
And so therefore you still have 

685
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,760
to earn your way into His 
presence. 

686
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,960
Yeah, you're not. 
He didn't. 

687
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,120
You're not covered. 
You're you're not in. 

688
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,240
In their view, if he didn't die,
you're not covered. 

689
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,880
And therefore, you're still 
waiting for a savior, waiting 

690
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,160
for deliverance. 
Well, your deliverance comes at 

691
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,680
your ability to pray enough to 
go to Mecca to do. 

692
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:13,040
All of your own savings. 
Yeah, to to be your own savior. 

693
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,080
And that I can't think of a more
scary thing than me having to 

694
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,720
save myself from eternal 
damnation because I think I've 

695
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,160
already blown it, you know, in 
my first 44. 

696
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,400
I can't. 
However long I have left on this

697
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,120
earth, there's no way I can make
up for the ways that I've blown 

698
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,480
it on my own. 
Not a chance, because I'm still 

699
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,600
going to continue to mess up. 
Quite frankly, even even if I go

700
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,160
to a Buddhist temple and never 
interact with the rest of the 

701
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,760
world again, I'm still a Sinner 
through and through and thought,

702
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,760
word and deed. 
Couple points from David Guzik 

703
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,840
in his enduring Word commentary 
because we see this reaction the

704
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,160
Israelites have this earnest 
surely we will do what the Lord 

705
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,840
says. 
It seems like they're trying to 

706
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,560
take it pretty seriously as far 
as the the boundaries and and 

707
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,680
keeping themselves sacred and 
ready. 

708
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,760
He points out the difference 
between awe and and the 

709
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,200
submission of the will being 
Yeah, OK. 

710
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,640
It's one thing to say wow, this 
is crazy and amazing. 

711
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,440
It's another thing to actually 
do it right, to actually stay 

712
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,800
in. 
That discipline and and the 

713
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,720
following of God's amazing 
leading in that awe is one 

714
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,720
thing, Submission of the will is
another. 

715
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,440
And then he points out in 
Hebrews 12 that verses 18 

716
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,040
through 24 say that under the 
new covenant we come to a 

717
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,680
different mountain. 
Our salvation relationship with 

718
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,960
God is centered at Mount Zion, 
not Mount Sinai. 

719
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,280
So we have these two. 
We kind of have this mountain 

720
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,400
of, of law of, of God's 
perfection. 

721
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680
And then, then Mount Zion, this,
this mountain of God's victory, 

722
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,840
right? 
Sinai is, is fear and, and 

723
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,720
terror kind of that. 
Yeah, the law side of things, 

724
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,360
the doomsday side of things. 
And Zion is of, of love and 

725
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,240
forgiveness. 
Sinai is a dry desert. 

726
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,600
Zion is the living God. 
Sinai is, is fear and earthly 

727
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,960
power. 
Zion is heavenly and spiritual 

728
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,040
glory. 
Wow, really well said on that 

729
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,880
commentary. 
I I suspect you know, but, but 

730
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,280
this is the thing and and I 
brought it up yesterday, like 

731
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Jesus breaks all of the norms. 
And so even talking to the woman

732
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,080
at the well, you know, you don't
have to go to a mountain, You 

733
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,000
don't have to go to a temple. 
You will worship the Lord with a

734
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
contrite heart, with your 
spirit, because God is spirit. 

735
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,280
And so just hearing him give 
that level of freedom of 

736
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,400
approachability and interaction 
with God, that is something that

737
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,040
was so radical. 
And so if you can, if you can 

738
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,520
kind of take in the radical 
nature of Jesus's teachings, 

739
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,560
you're going to understand a 
little bit better or not that 

740
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,880
you can justify it, but you're 
going to understand a little bit

741
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,560
better why the religious people 
of his day had him killed. 

742
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,120
Because he is teaching. 
He's he's teaching about 

743
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,400
approaching God in a personal, 
heartfelt way. 

744
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,680
And the only way that they've 
ever been able to approach God 

745
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,880
is through great fear and 
trembling. 

746
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,760
Yet through Jesus, we get to 
approach God as children of the 

747
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,320
King. 
And that is, that is a radical, 

748
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,360
radical thing to assume after 
thousands of years of fear and 

749
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:26,920
trembling. 
Yeah. 

750
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,400
That's pretty cool, too. 
Yeah. 

751
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Final thoughts from David goes 
like just kind of finishing off 

752
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,040
the parallels here between Sinai
and Zion. 

753
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,080
Sinai is all about the law. 
Zion is all about grace. 

754
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Therefore, we shouldn't come to 
Zion as the Israelites were 

755
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,040
coming to Sinai in a similar 
manner to those at Sinai. 

756
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,200
There are things we must do to 
meet God. 

757
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,920
There are requirements set 
forward. 

758
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,840
We must receive God's word. 
We must be set apart. 

759
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,400
We must be cleansed. 
We can only come after the third

760
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,080
day. 
That's that's powerful. 

761
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,520
That's the readying of Jesus's 
work in those three days, in the

762
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,240
actual three days, right? 
Is is what makes us able to come

763
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,720
before a holy God, right? 
We can only come after the third

764
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,120
day. 
We must respect God's boundary. 

765
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,280
We must restrain the flesh, and 
we must come to know holy God. 

766
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,800
And isn't that so cool? 
Again, we've talked about this 

767
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,080
before, but just the sheer 
consistency across thousands of 

768
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,640
years of interactions and what 
we would call theology, God is 

769
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,440
wholly consistent. 
So the three days in the 

770
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,640
mountain, Jonah, three days in 
the belly of the fish, and all 

771
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,760
these, Oh my gosh, it just, it 
rings true throughout all 66 

772
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,880
books across thousands of years 
of history that God is wholly 

773
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,240
consistent. 
And he's always had the plan. 

774
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,280
It's always been in place. 
Yeah. 

775
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,240
Very cool, yeah. 
Anything else? 

776
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Things you felt like you left 
out from yesterday or wanted to 

777
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,840
speak more on. 
Actually, one of the things that

778
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,880
I left out because, you know, 
always end with the Jesus home 

779
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,160
run in every sermon. 
But part of what I missed in the

780
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,640
Jesus home run in yesterday's 
sermon was, you know, we talked 

781
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,600
about the mountain shook. 
Well, what caused, you know, 

782
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,080
besides obviously God himself, 
what caused this 60 foot tall, 4

783
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,680
inch thick curtain to literally 
shred itself down the middle? 

784
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,960
There was an earthquake. 
There was a movement of the 

785
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,000
earth that shook so hard it just
decimated this thing. 

786
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,800
And we see that same shaking of 
the earth here on Mount Sinai. 

787
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,360
And I failed to bring that up 
yesterday, but I just think 

788
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:47,040
again, what an incredibly 
consistent God we have that He 

789
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,320
is working to fulfill His own 
Word all of the time. 

790
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,240
Yeah, same power, same God. 
That's right. 

791
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,120
Very cool. 
Well, thanks man. 

792
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,880
Good work. 
Yesterday we got a few more 

793
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,920
weeks. 
Four more weeks in Exodus, I 

794
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,320
think. 
And I'm going to be, you know, 

795
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,680
I'm always sad. 
I'm always sad to leave. 

796
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,040
At the. 
Ends I am like we're going to 

797
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,320
we're going to leave Moses and 
that makes me a little sad. 

798
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,760
See, sad Chris, I'm going to sad
eat with my sad Moses. 

799
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Then it's Christmas. 
Oh yeah, never mind. 

800
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,280
We're happy again. 
It's Christmas. 

801
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Moss, Chris. 
Oh, oh, get even more Chris than

802
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:29,040
we usually do, apparently. 
Sorry, that was I'm tired. 

803
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,920
It's a tired day. 
You need a break, man. 

804
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,000
Yeah. 
We're working on it, We're 

805
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,840
working on it. 
Thanks for tuning in church drop

806
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,800
any ask me anything questions in
the comments here on on Facebook

807
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,680
or in the show. 
You can certainly text them into

808
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,920
us as well. 
We'll record that episode later 

809
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,040
this week. 
Thanks again for for yesterday 

810
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,920
and and really what's moving 
forward. 

811
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,720
We want to continue to 
facilitate and encourage 

812
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,560
community here both in in life 
groups and ministries and 

813
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,040
activities. 
We've got hometown Christmas 

814
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,800
coming up in December. 
Get ready for that as we welcome

815
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,200
our community into our church 
tours. 

816
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,320
That's that's an awesome 
morning. 

817
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,200
First Saturday in September, 
December once are hard. 

818
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:16,560
And yeah, just just really 
encouraged and excited for 

819
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,560
what's ahead of us here. 
So grateful for each and 

820
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,960
everyone of you as a part of our
community. 

821
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:21,960
Have a blessed week.
