1 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:15,080 Happy Monday Pastor Matt and Pastor Chris back here with some 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,400 leftovers from the weekend at Emmaus Rd. 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,320 Church. How you doing? 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,440 I'm. Doing great. 5 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:26,800 The, I think the, you know, and you guys have probably seen this 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,840 wherever you've ever seen me is I, I can get distracted fairly 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,920 easily. And so as I'm hearing like 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,760 dozens and dozens of children running around in the hallways 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,720 around surrounding us, I'm like, Oh, no, I wonder. 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,040 I wonder if I'm going to have some serious squirrel moments. 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,400 We do have a lot going on in the background here. 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:54,800 Day camp is in full swing about a little more than 100 students 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,800 little live 6th grade and under here on like 90 of them are here 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,760 for the full day, like 9 to 3. They're doing lunch and all the 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:07,680 things we had pre-K 4 year old and five year old kindergarten 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,600 day camp that's put on entirely by like volunteers. 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,920 You all here at church. A lot of a lot of students 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,160 actually like middle school and high school students helping out 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,840 with that too. But that's about 25 kids for the 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,720 morning that we just do. We've got staffers from 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,880 Inspiration Point here with the kids for all day from 9:00 to 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,960 3:00. But then we have volunteer 23 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:32,640 kitchen staff again, you the people that make up our church, 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,280 volunteering to help out with that and serve lunch for 100 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,520 people every day this week. And yeah, it's, it's pretty 26 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,240 cool. It's really hot outside too. 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,720 Like there was there was a kid this morning that they had 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,120 little Christmas tree brownies. They were really cool, by the 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,720 way. They were, they were, they were 30 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,160 great. But he was outside for like 30 31 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,560 seconds and all of a sudden he's standing in the doorway of my 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,320 office and I'm like, oh, what's going on? 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,360 Well, it's just like really hot outside. 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,200 So I'm going to, I'm going to eat my snack in here. 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,040 I was just all right, valid, valid logic. 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,840 But I need it. I need to get you back where, 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,840 where you belong. Like we're going to bring you 38 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,480 out, back out to your cabin leader. 39 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,000 He can seat into the heat in less than 30 seconds. 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,440 Yeah, so no, grateful for air conditioning today, but no, the 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,800 the the children and the joyful noise in the church hallways 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,480 this week is something that's fun. 43 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:30,000 Oh, see, and they're like playing duck duck, goose in the 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,080 atrium like 20 feet behind me. I'm so glad I'm not facing the 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,480 way you're facing 'cause I wouldn't say anything. 46 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,320 This is why. See, here's the thing. 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,920 Like I can't really go to restaurants well when there's a 48 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:46,400 lot of TV's and I don't even watch a lot of TV or anything. 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,160 But like if seeing that's the thing, like I, I need to go to 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,760 restaurants where I'm facing away from ATV or whatever or 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,480 they have none of them. Sports bars and stuff like that 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,520 are very difficult for me. Are you able? 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,040 Are you a multi task texter? Like can you, can you hold two 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,200 different conversations at the same time 'cause there are 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,600 other, There are some people in my life that if they are texting 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,840 are not aware of anything that is going on around. 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Like no conversation that happened, no children getting 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,000 attention or potentially dropping, destroying things in 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,640 the other. Like there, there's where are 60 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,760 you at with that? I, you know, so I've, I, I 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,480 always thought I could be that person who can do both at the 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,400 same time. I really can't. 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,440 And I've can and I've, I've come to that conclusion in recent 64 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,440 years where I just like, I, I'm just going to make a decision in 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,360 real time and say, like, can you give me a second? 66 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,360 You know, But this, this stems from a long line, I think of 67 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,080 people who I come from who like, we don't multitask. 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,120 So fun, fun story is that when my brothers and I were younger, 69 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,440 hanging out at our dad's house, if the Bears or the Hawkeyes or 70 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,160 the Cubs were on or even just like a halfway decent movie and 71 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,720 my dad was watching it, we ended up we, we would have contest. 72 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,880 How many times could we say like dad, dad, dad at a normal 73 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,040 volume, like we're not whispering and we're not trying 74 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,680 to hide it. And just like just, he just 75 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,880 stays gone. He was so into whatever it was 76 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,480 that man could not multitask to save his life. 77 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,200 And so dad, dad, dad, dad, dad and you just, and you just keep 78 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,080 going and it becomes a hilarious game after a while. 79 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,240 And now the worst part about all this is my kids, they haven't 80 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,000 quite turned it into a game, but like my wife and my kids, they 81 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,200 know 'cause they'll say I've been, I've been talking to you 82 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,720 for 30 seconds and I'm like, no, you weren't. 83 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,640 No, you weren't. And they probably were. 84 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,360 But I just, I've, I've totally spaced them, spaced it. 85 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,800 I'm into whatever I'm into. Interesting. 86 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,520 So yeah, this is this is all a lot for me. 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,320 Yeah. No, there's, there's plenty to 88 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,200 distract you today that makes a, that makes a lot of sense 89 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,480 though. I, I just kind of, I don't know, 90 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,840 I can segment things or just ignore things and maybe that's 91 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,480 terrible at times, but. But how you're like facing those 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,640 kids run around like maniacs out there and not I don't I don't 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,320 know how you do it. I think I don't know, I just 94 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,480 process a lot of information or, or differently than people like 95 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,320 I, I don't know. I can, I can take that and 96 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,400 acknowledge that it's going on, but it doesn't distract me from 97 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,440 what's happening. So. 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,760 And this is the difference between you and you and I on 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,800 stage. Is that like, you know, so a 100 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,320 couple weeks ago, Father's Day, Arya had, I think, yeah, she 101 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,880 students are wearing mustaches in the crowd. 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,840 And like, I just had to learn very quickly not to look in that 103 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,040 in those parts of the room where students were wearing mustaches. 104 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,760 I couldn't do it. It's it's too much. 105 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,920 But I so for me, though I may have, I may have ignored things 106 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,800 like that, like almost to the point where it was rude though, 107 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,400 like I'm, I'm, I'm on, I'm on the other side of where I'm, I'm 108 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,240 like so tuned out. They, they may have been trying 109 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,520 to get my attention and I'm just like, can't I, I no, that's not, 110 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,840 I'm not here to acknowledge the mustache right now. 111 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,600 So I I don't know, maybe maybe to a fault? 112 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,640 I have a job to do and I'm going to do it like I, I, you know 113 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,320 what? But from my end, with the 114 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,600 squirreliness in my brain, like I, I appreciate that so much. 115 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,560 So maybe also would would you rather that we'll differentiate 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,800 on this morning too in in talking about speaking voices? 117 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Would you would you rather always have to whisper or always 118 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,280 have to shout? You only have one your, your 119 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,720 speaking is only one volume. You're either always a whisperer 120 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,200 or always a yeller. OK, so let me just. 121 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,680 Has anyone ever met Chris Let? Me just say the most obvious 122 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,440 thing, which is I always yell anyway like I one of the 123 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,000 podcasts we listened to and I don't know what it was but like 124 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:02,040 I was listening to it I was just listening back to it and like 125 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,800 OK, did I say anything crazy right. 126 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,800 So sometimes I do that, but it seemed like coming through, like 127 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,000 I was like yelling into the microphone and like you're 128 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,880 talking in a normal voice and it's, it's almost soothing. 129 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,680 Like I would just be like, because I'm really going off 130 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:18,440 now. It's OK. 131 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,840 I'm really going off. But like, you know, I've heard 132 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,240 of people like listening to Matthew McConaughey read books 133 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,040 to go to sleep. And because it's so soothing and 134 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,680 like the way you came off like gentle and like a normal, like I 135 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,920 was like, I'm an ogre and like, Nah, I could probably listen to 136 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,400 him speak to fall asleep. Like if you read me a story like 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,440 this is great. So anyway, yeah, I, I don't, I 138 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,840 don't even know what it's like to like effectively with. 139 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,480 To have a calm voice. You don't know what that's like. 140 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,320 No. And I do. 141 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,600 You are one of the people in my life like this. 142 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,600 But I have several. I have several people. 143 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,640 And unfortunately for my wife and family, they're usually 144 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,040 people that hang out at my house. 145 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,520 But I remember, I distinctly remember you, you know, Jordan 146 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,680 Spina, but he also just is one of those people who just has one 147 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,920 volume and it's loud. No, no matter what. 148 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,280 Like, you know, he's talking if he's talking because his voice 149 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,880 is louder than everything else when when he's talking. 150 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,800 But you are also one of those people. 151 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,240 So I'm like, but in the in the early days, I don't know if you 152 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,560 remember this. There was it wasn't even when 153 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,960 you were. Oh, no. 154 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,840 Oh, maybe. Well, OK, so, but also we also 155 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,600 know Christian Anderson, who maybe it's just pastors. 156 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Oh my God, we have this problem. But there was there was one 157 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,440 time. No, maybe it was you and Lisa. 158 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,120 I don't remember. Did you guys came over to our 159 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,320 house? Our our old house? 160 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,120 We did one time like after a Fall Fest night I think or 161 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,280 something and just played games. I think the twins were like so 162 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,360 tiny. They might have been fresh 163 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,320 newborn, but it was always those scenarios where there were like, 164 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,760 sleeping children and it was still a reasonable hour just. 165 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,280 But after 8:00 PM. Yeah. 166 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,640 And I remember Emily, like, having this parenting 167 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,520 conversation of like, no matter what happens, like Jordan came 168 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,480 over late for games or Chris was here late for games. 169 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:16,680 And like Chris's voice, Jordan's voice is just louder than 170 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,840 everything and he doesn't know how to be quiet when there's 171 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,320 children. And like, even if you tell you 172 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,160 tell them repeatingly they're sleeping children, he just can't 173 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,480 do anything about it because that's how his voice is. 174 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,320 So you you're saying you have like bring it back to the 175 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,000 question. You just have a default setting 176 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,800 of like it's just yell, whisper whisper, whisper whisper isn't 177 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:42,040 possible. Well, I OK, yes, I think, but I, 178 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,080 you know what, again, having just listened back to this a 179 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,440 couple times, I, I work very hard during the podcast to like 180 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,200 really come down because like even right now to bring the 181 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,520 intensity down. I I actively think about like, 182 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:03,680 OK, dude, you can't like I never speak this quietly as I do like 183 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:05,920 on the podcast because these microphones are great, but it's 184 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,040 like I'm speaking intentionally so softly right now and I still 185 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,160 feel like it comes through like very harsh and like loud and 186 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,720 heavy. I don't know how to do this any 187 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,080 differently. I don't understand how that. 188 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,960 Works. It's just, it's just loud and 189 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:27,960 obnoxious I think. So I think just from from a 190 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,960 tire, I think I can yes, I think I have it both ways. 191 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,000 I can certainly have a loud booming voice, but I think I can 192 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,120 also have a soft, soothing voice at times. 193 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:43,160 I also like the dynamic of especially for children when you 194 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,320 whisper like the the room, even a loud room of children, if they 195 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,920 have their attention on you and you're saying something like 196 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,560 that's what they teach you right to to speak in a whisper. 197 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:56,920 So they they have to bring their volume down to hear you right to 198 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,280 to understand it. So I think I would lean as it 199 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,000 pertains to the question. And because I think I can 200 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,720 control my voice in such a manner, I think I would be on 201 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,320 the whisper side of things. Just I guess that could be 202 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,280 annoying. Why you meant you mentioned some 203 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,040 sports things. So like at a baseball game, that 204 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,040 would be ridiculous, right? Like like home run happens. 205 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,120 And it's like, yeah, my goodness, it's awesome. 206 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Like. Even that sounds like a stage 207 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,640 whisper, so it's intentionally loud, but a whispery kind of. 208 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Right at that point the whisper would just be awkward and no one 209 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,480 would have any idea what you're saying. 210 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,360 No, outside of that it would be weird to so. 211 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,600 Oh man. OK, so think about our jobs now 212 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,880 though. Oh, I mean, come on, you can't. 213 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,560 But like, even with you being like this, says this, says 214 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:49,040 yelling. Like. 215 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:52,720 I know, I know you have a loud voice, but think about giving a 216 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,720 sermon where you're just 'cause you get yelly sometimes you get, 217 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,800 you get intense for little spurts, but for like 30 minutes 218 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,280 you're just yelling at me. I don't think people would enjoy 219 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,280 that. Like the room would be what is 220 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:12,440 happening, right Listener? Tell her, would you? 221 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,280 It's going to turn into a very flawed social experiment because 222 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,720 in the next month we're each going to have to give like a 223 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,360 whisper sermon and a yell sermon and. 224 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,720 One is 1 is going to be so incredibly easy for me and the 225 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,240 other one will be painfully difficult. 226 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,600 The the whispers are I just I don't even know how people do it 227 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,720 like the the emotions and like the whatever I feel, they so 228 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,120 quickly inform my volume and like I, you know, I just tend to 229 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,360 be a very like emotional kind of like engaged person. 230 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,760 And so it always informs my volume constantly. 231 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,680 It's so difficult, It's so difficult. 232 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,200 The struggle is real. So I'm just going to, I'm just 233 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,880 going to you know what? I'm closer to yelling, closer to 234 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,080 yelling anyway. So let's just let's just lean 235 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,640 into the the skid and I'll just yell the rest of my life. 236 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,600 It's fine. That would be a crazy contrast 237 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,960 if if in our 5050 split of sermons, 11 week it was either 238 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,320 Chris yelling or the next it was me whispering. 239 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,880 Or imagine like going to bed at night. 240 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,480 OK, so I'm going to I'm going to back up from the microphone a 241 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,520 little bit and then the kids out in the church are going to hear 242 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,680 me. OK. 243 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,880 Good night honey, I hope you sleep well. 244 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,440 Like that would be. Can you imagine? 245 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,400 That's crazy. So maybe, maybe the yelling is a 246 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,520 bad idea. Yelling would be a bad idea, but 247 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,760 yeah, it doesn't work for our our profession. 248 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,800 But either one of these does not really work for our profession. 249 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,960 That would be really tough. Whisper sermon isn't a thing and 250 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,560 a yell sermon is nothing. All right, well, if, if you 251 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:50,640 haven't noticed, if you've been with us from the beginning, 252 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,320 we're we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here for Ice 253 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,360 Breakers. And would you rather so if 254 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,440 there's a topic doesn't have to be, would you rather format if 255 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,600 it's just a question, an icebreaker question or even a 256 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:07,400 question that you have about the message about things we've 257 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,640 talked about so far, the OR just even general Bible knowledge, 258 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,880 perspective, doctrine, theology questions. 259 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,040 That's fine. We can, we can bring them up on 260 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,960 the podcast. You can throw your questions in 261 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,160 the show in the show notes in the comments below this episode 262 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,320 or on the Facebook post. Just throw them in the comment 263 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,880 section. We'll, we'll stash and we'll 264 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,000 start a little file for future shows and, and get to listener 265 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,200 mailbag questions and stuff. At some point, we're going to 266 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,720 have like a, an ask me anything we wanted to do like a mailbag 267 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,360 episode at some point. So that'll come up too. 268 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,680 But for now, yesterday's sermon, I felt, Oh. 269 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,040 Man. A little different about I know 270 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,880 I did the the visual aid. It's not my visual aid and it's 271 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,120 probably it's not even a unique visual aid. 272 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,400 I'm sure I'm sure it was seen. Did you get a new phone case? 273 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,920 Sorry, now I'm now I'm having a squirrel moment. 274 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,200 You have you have a red phone case finally. 275 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,760 Happened. What? 276 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,520 It finally happened Matt got distracted I wow this is you 277 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,440 know what mark your calendars this is I've been working with 278 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,120 Matt now like 3 years and this guy is always on point and I'm 279 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,440 always the one this is great this is great I'm just. 280 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,800 Just more important, when did you get the phone case though? 281 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,120 Because if that's like within the past 24 hours, I don't mind 282 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 the squirrel moment because I also no. 283 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:30,640 I'm. Sorry. 284 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,520 I could look at my Amazon orders but it's been like 2 months. 285 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,120 No, that's wildly disappointing. I'm sorry all. 286 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,160 Right. But did you see this? 287 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,200 Did I show you that? No, Why? 288 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,040 You have a bear with a Bishop crown on its head as your 289 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,920 screensaver. And the Chicago Bears symbol on 290 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,680 the Bishop. I don't like to talk about that. 291 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Yeah, I know. Well, the recent fun Side Story, 292 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,040 my Uncle Mike was in town and although none of us are 293 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,800 Catholic, he was just making these comments. 294 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,920 He, he was just like, hey, the, you know, the new Pope is from 295 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,800 Chicago. And so he's a Chicago sports 296 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,920 fan. So like, I don't know anything 297 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,320 about AI. Chris, can you can you like make 298 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,120 an angry bear wearing like the Pope's hat with the Chicago C on 299 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,040 it? And I was like, you bet I can, 300 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,240 Uncle Mike, I can totally make that happen for you. 301 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,360 And so yeah, thanks to AII did. Bishop Bear. 302 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:27,640 Pope Bear. Pope Bear. 303 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,640 So I don't know. Yeah, we're going to need to, if 304 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,440 we keep going this way, Squirrel moments about phone cases and AI 305 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,960 generated images. We're going to have to get some 306 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,200 video going with this podcast. We might have to. 307 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Just the audio. By the way, if you want to see 308 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,800 said angry bear with a Pope hat, just hit me up sometime and I'll 309 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,600 show you. It's on my. 310 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,240 Yeah, we'll, we'll probably find a way to post that at some point 311 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,960 here, but I anyway, squirrel moment aside. 312 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,440 All that aside. Phone case, we got that sorted. 313 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:01,160 Red phone case, in case you haven't seen that acts, Acts 14. 314 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:10,280 I got caught up and fixated on this interaction that Peter has 315 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,319 with with with the Jews and the crowd of people that he's trying 316 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:18,480 to teach to and and he just asked the simple question, why 317 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,240 are you doing this? And I ran with that in a few 318 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,680 different directions. I think it's still very 319 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,400 applicable to the scenario that he's in. 320 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,640 Friends, why are you doing this? Is Acts 14 starting at verse 14. 321 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,600 Really, we too are only human like you. 322 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,280 We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these 323 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,280 worthless things to the living God. 324 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,880 So that was really the core of my message. 325 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:48,040 It was was the things that matter, the versus the quote UN 326 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,640 quote worthless thing. I'm not saying everything that 327 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,560 isn't. I hope yesterday my message, the 328 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:58,920 message wasn't everything that isn't God or family or work is 329 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,880 worthless. That's that's not the words I 330 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,240 was saying yesterday. I hope it didn't come out that 331 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,960 way, but those things just matter more. 332 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,640 Right. Well, because I mean, like, OK, 333 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,480 and I, and by the way, to the to that point, you hope you didn't 334 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,960 come off that way. I really don't think you did, 335 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,160 because I think you at some point you may have been feeling 336 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,520 that. And you quite clearly said it's 337 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,880 not that these things are bad. It's that, you know, and you 338 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,640 know, St. Agustin would say it like this, 339 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,600 like it's just the order of our loves. 340 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,560 It's not that I love my kids too much, it's that I don't love God 341 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,440 enough, you know what I mean? And so like, you know, it's just 342 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,920 the order and the priority of things. 343 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,200 And and I thought that was actually really very clear. 344 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,000 So I don't think that's the issue, but I love that question. 345 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,960 Why are you doing these things now? 346 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,120 As I thought about that question, I got to I got to ask, 347 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:56,920 OK, anytime I ever ask my kids why when they were doing 348 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,360 something that I didn't want them to do, I don't know if I 349 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,760 ever got a satisfactory answer in my entire life. 350 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,280 And so even thinking about this, you know, that's not, I don't, I 351 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,240 don't think they're asking that rhetorically. 352 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,040 Are they like, is Paul asking that rhetoric or does he 353 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,320 actually want to know? Like, why, why on earth would 354 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,360 you worship us? Why would you do this? 355 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,560 Like, you know, I don't, I don't actually think he's asking that 356 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,040 rhetorically, but I also don't think that they could give him a 357 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,200 good answer. Well, so that's, and this is 358 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,240 maybe not where we differ, but how I see that a little 359 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,320 differently. I think, I think he is asking 360 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,280 for an answer. He wants an explanation. 361 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,360 I don't, I don't think it's just the why are you the way that you 362 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:44,360 are sort of sort of question. I, I don't think it's that way, 363 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,520 but similar to the, I'm glad you brought up the kid scenario 364 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,960 cause of course, yeah. Any, anyone who has children 365 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,120 understands the asking that question on wanting to know the 366 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,480 why. But I also generally in my life, 367 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,200 though I may not agree. With the why, honestly to me the 368 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,960 the rationale is more important to me. 369 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,360 Like, I may not agree with your conclusion, but have you thought 370 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:16,840 about why you want to do this or or even why you do this this 371 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,720 way? And does that makes sense? 372 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,720 Is, is is there a good reason for that? 373 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:28,160 Again, that might be subjective you what you think is worthwhile 374 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,480 or or might be a good reason. I might, I might not agree that 375 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,600 that's a good reason, but even more so than that, I I think 376 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,080 it's more valuable for me or my psyche to just have, have you 377 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,000 thought about this? Have have you considered the 378 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:49,280 ramifications of choice A or B in this scenario? 379 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,840 Just OK if it's a really simple example, if I 'cause our kids 380 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,600 bike to the pool now too. So like if I ride my bike to the 381 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,280 pool and don't bring a bike lock. 382 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,280 Oh. Like what's OK? 383 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,520 No, you should, you should bring a bike lock and bike and lock it 384 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,600 up, right? Because what's the likely 385 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,200 scenario of not locking it up? It isn't there when you come 386 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,160 back, when you come back. For it, now you get to walk. 387 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,280 Home. So like in that situation, I 388 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,640 don't think you could really give me a rational answer of why 389 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,760 you left your bike lock at home right like that. 390 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,640 So then if you look at your kid when they're crying about the 391 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,320 stolen bike, you're like, why didn't you bring your lock? 392 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,680 That is a rhetorical question. That that point, it's a 393 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,640 rhetorical question because we. Because we already. 394 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,680 We all know at that point the law is screaming loud and clear. 395 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,480 There's no, there's no grace in that question, right? 396 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,160 Of of why didn't you bring a bike lock? 397 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,800 It's already it's already dead and gone in this situation. 398 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:54,600 I think I think Paul is so confused and and he even goes on 399 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,080 in the in the following verses. He has not let himself without 400 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,840 testimony. God has shown kindness by giving 401 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,400 you rain from heaven crops and your seasons. 402 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,000 What he's he's he's continues asking why don't you understand 403 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,040 all these things right. Why don't you see all these 404 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,240 things around you the very breath of life in in some cases 405 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,840 that he's pointing out and Luke accounts even with these words 406 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,560 they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them. 407 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,760 Peter's question I think is more so why are you a people so 408 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,960 satiated with replacing the creator with created things? 409 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,480 And I, I think that's still a relevant question and it was at 410 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,520 the core of what I was saying. Why we're so fixated on that, 411 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,800 that jar of life. If you haven't, if you haven't 412 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,480 seen them, as you do kind of go need need to go watch the 413 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,000 message. Actually, you, you could listen 414 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,480 to it, but some of it isn't going to come through just on 415 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,240 audio. I did the I did the life jar 416 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,840 thing. If you haven't seen this, this 417 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,040 visual aid, if you put three big rocks in a jar, OK, you can 418 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,400 still pour smaller pebbles and sand and water in there before 419 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,800 it's actually full. If you, if you start the jar 420 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,640 with water or with or with sand even, you can't really put 421 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,520 anything else in there. It fills up with those smaller, 422 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,200 insignificant, sometimes even unidentifiable things. 423 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,320 So if we, if we take that to our life, we need, we need to fill 424 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320 our life first with the, the important things. 425 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,200 I think that's at the core of Peter's question. 426 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,480 Why, why are you doing it? Paul, Paul's question, Yeah, 427 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,200 Paul's question, why are you doing this? 428 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,880 Why are you, why are you so fixated on filling your life 429 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,320 with these things that don't matter? 430 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,160 And, and, and he and he uses that, right? 431 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,400 Why we, why, why are you, we're telling you to turn from these 432 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,200 worthless things to the living God. 433 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,200 And we're, we're holding out here the greatest thing, the, 434 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,320 the, the most significant number one thing. 435 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,800 And you're, why are you, why are you doing this? 436 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,880 Why are you so fixated on replacing it with literally 437 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,320 anything that you can find to replace the living God? 438 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,280 Right? Yeah. 439 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320 And I think the interesting thing for Paul is, you know, 440 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,840 he's he's not so far removed, of course, and he never will be 441 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,480 during his life on Earth. He's not so far removed from the 442 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,880 fact that like it was not so long prior to this that he was 443 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,480 putting Christians in prison and, you know, having them put 444 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,240 to trial and sometimes killed. And so when somebody starts 445 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,320 worshipping him because of a miracle that God has done, 446 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,680 imagine how terrible he feels, you know, because he clearly, 447 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,040 he, he feels the weight of his previous life. 448 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,880 Now, that doesn't stop him from preaching the gospel because he 449 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,720 understands the gospel is total forgiveness in the face of the 450 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,680 worst sins that we could ever commit. 451 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,000 And that's true, however, it had to have been so off putting for 452 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,000 him, just like make him I'll sick off putting for somebody to 453 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,040 worship him after what he knows he's done when he himself is 454 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,160 like, no man, I'm, I'm lucky to be a servant of God at this 455 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,840 point. I'm the worst of the worst. 456 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,520 I'm, I'm lucky to be here. And it's all by the grace of God 457 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,480 that I'm here. And in fact, it's by the grace 458 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,040 of God that you're here too. And so how dare you try and fall 459 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600 down at my feet? And that's actually a fairly 460 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,000 common occurrence with the apostles in the New Testament, 461 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,040 because God, it does do some pretty spectacular miracles in 462 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,560 and through them. And it it seems to be not just 463 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,360 this crowd of people, just people in general. 464 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,520 They see a sign, what the Bible calls sign or a miracle, and we 465 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,560 instantly want to attribute it to something or someone that we 466 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,200 can grab onto and start saying, I want to be like you. 467 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,000 How can I do this? Like I want to worship it. 468 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,000 It's awful. The the the idolatry country in 469 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,680 our hearts. It's so it's so quick to be 470 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,640 turned on. Yeah, and I think that's 471 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,040 something. I think that's something that 472 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,280 these people in this passage were getting caught up in. 473 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,120 They wanted to, they wanted to dumb down these signs and 474 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,800 miracles that they maybe couldn't fully understand. 475 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,080 They wanted to rationalize it with things that they created 476 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,680 or, or parameters like Zeus and Hermes, these these gods that 477 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,600 had constructs that they understand. 478 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720 And what that does, if we do that, I mean that that puts God 479 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,400 in a box, right? That that puts the way that God 480 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,000 acts within limits that we create, right? 481 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,320 And that's, that's pretty dangerous. 482 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,760 But we're also uncomfortable. I think as people we're 483 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,280 uncomfortable with unknown, we're uncomfortable with with 484 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,600 mystery or things that I can't explain or things that I don't 485 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,680 understand. And that's attention that I 486 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,920 think as Christians we have we have to get very comfortable 487 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,280 with things that we don't like. That's that's faith, isn't it at 488 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:49,320 at its core, something that we can't completely rationalize or 489 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,800 or completely understand. And yeah, you can rationalize it 490 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,440 with grace, but do even the most seasoned Christian to you, do 491 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:03,080 you fully understand great, like all of grace, all of grace where 492 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,960 it where it makes sense because it doesn't makes like I'm I'm 493 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,200 sitting here as your pastor telling you grace doesn't make 494 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,920 sense. It is. 495 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,440 It is one of those two good to be true scenarios. 496 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,520 Yeah, 100%. That's exactly what it is. 497 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,280 So I think that's part of his frustration here too. 498 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,960 And I, I think the past experience from Paul of of 499 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,160 course you shouldn't be worshipping me, but he also has 500 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,240 that radical transformation where guys, I was the worst and 501 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,880 I've tasted this awesome thing. Like, why can't you understand 502 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,040 how awesome this thing is that I've experienced and, and the 503 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,240 awesomeness of that. I don't, I don't want to replace 504 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,560 it with anything else. And all of you are so ready to 505 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,720 replace it. I don't, I think he's in this 506 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,280 almost impasse of understanding. And I think we can get wrapped 507 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,880 up in that too. Those, those of those of you 508 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,760 that are like who enjoy, who have tasted and seen that the 509 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,360 Lord is good and, and, and you enjoy that and you can, you can 510 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:06,280 like rationalize and manifest and enjoy and, and immerse 511 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,240 yourself in that experience. We just assume that everyone 512 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,800 else at the name of Jesus is just the as the same level of 513 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,560 enjoyment or it's the same level of enthrallment with that. 514 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,680 And that's, I think Paul's running into a little bit of 515 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,480 frustration with that, like, oh, I love this so much. 516 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,640 Why don't you love it so much too? 517 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,320 You know, I love, you're absolutely correct. 518 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,480 I think that's a great assessment of this to I was 519 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,440 thinking to to give this a little bit more context and to 520 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,760 actually not play devil's advocate, but to like try and 521 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,800 see why they were the way they were. 522 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,560 Think about the context of who Paul is talking to. 523 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,520 He is, he's dealing with a group of people that is polytheistic, 524 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,800 so they have multiple gods. And in this kind of relationship 525 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,520 with these multiple gods, it is absolutely my job to figure out 526 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:08,400 how I can basically manipulate said God to get what. 527 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,000 I want. And so like, Hey, here's a 528 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,520 quote, UN quote God and Paul standing right in front of me 529 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,920 and he's already shown that there's miracle power in his 530 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,400 hands and then what he says. And so if I can sacrifice enough 531 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,760 to him, if I can manipulate him, if I can make him feel like, oh, 532 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,560 I'm really good at worshipping you. 533 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880 Therefore he's probably going to do something awesome in my life 534 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,520 too. And he's going to have to 535 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,240 because look at how good of a job I did worshipping him. 536 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Like we, we can absolutely fall into that trap of like we were 537 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,840 so good. God owes us. 538 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,920 And, and I think that's part of why they're doing what they're 539 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,640 doing is like, all right, now we get to manipulate you and now 540 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,160 you're going to owe us again and again and again. 541 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:58,040 That's such a crazy arrogance and that's just the the humanity 542 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,320 that we are, I guess. But but it's an oxymoron even to 543 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,720 put that logic in the same breath of I'm going to have this 544 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,880 God that is supposed to be powerful and greater and, and, 545 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,000 but, but I can still manipulate. I can outsmart, I I can get what 546 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,520 I need. Like it's, it's such a backwards 547 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,720 line of logic. And then the God of 548 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,440 Christianity, like the the creator God, What if we 549 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,480 approached with that attitude of what I could get? 550 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,520 It's he's already given everything. 551 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,800 Right. Yeah, but we totally do it. 552 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,520 But I'm just totally do it. But we don't even, I don't think 553 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,400 you can even go to God and like it. 554 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,760 It's it's already been poured out and it's been freely given 555 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,880 and it is freely given and freely available. 556 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,240 So we can't even going to him with like an agenda or a 557 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,000 manipulation. It doesn't even make any sense 558 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,360 because it's already been poured out. 559 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,240 And then Pagan gods, it makes even less sense because if 560 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,720 they're truly it, it's backwards. 561 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,440 If you're saying they're more powerful and you're saying they 562 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,920 can actually help you, but yet you somehow are smarter than 563 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,000 them and have it already figured out, then why? 564 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640 Why do you need the God? It's true if you already have it 565 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,320 figured out. Well, the interesting thing 566 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,120 about the Pagan gods, and if you do any bit of reading of these 567 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,920 pretty fantastic stories of the Greek gods and in the myth, in 568 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,560 the in the myth of all that kind of stuff, the cool thing is 569 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,720 they're really not any different than us than people other than 570 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,200 they can shoot lightning bolts and do all this things Like 571 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,400 they're, you know, it's basically like Marvel 572 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,160 superheroes at that point underwater, like, yeah, sure. 573 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,720 It's just Taco, man Taco. Oh, man. 574 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,680 And nobody cares about his powers, by the way. 575 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,280 Nobody, nobody cares about Aquaban. 576 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,480 Just so you know, nobody cares. But anyway, yeah. 577 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,680 So I just, I I think like the whole, the whole world view. 578 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,520 And you actually use that world, that word yesterday worldview. 579 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,560 And you mentioned it starts with faith. 580 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,040 We can get to that in a second if you want. 581 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,240 But like their whole world view is about manipulation and trying 582 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,240 to get what I want. It's, it's not any different 583 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,160 from today. We just seemingly have more 584 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,240 sophisticated ways to go about it. 585 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,800 But it's still the same thing of like, I'm, I'm trying to get 586 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920 what I want. And how do I, how do I do that? 587 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,840 Well, some people tend to try to do that through non meaningful 588 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,360 but sexual relationships. So we see people bouncing from 589 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,600 place to place to place and person to person trying to find 590 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,240 what they think that they want or money or whatever. 591 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,320 You can name, name your thing. But like it's not so different. 592 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,680 It's still manipulation. And little, little do we realize 593 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,680 sometimes that God cannot be manipulated. 594 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,480 He can't be changed because like you said, he has already given 595 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160 everything away that matters. So like, why would we even try? 596 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,600 You're right, it is a lot. The logic isn't there. 597 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,080 But then again, we are often times not terribly. 598 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,600 Logical. Not terribly logical. 599 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Yeah, that's true. We don't, we don't rationalize 600 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,200 it. We don't. 601 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,560 We don't think it all the way through. 602 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,160 No, we don't. We don't ask the question why am 603 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,280 I doing this? You don't ask the question and 604 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,760 so like. And if we're not even asking the 605 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,800 question, then we almost definitely don't have an answer. 606 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,360 Oh dude, you. No, no way. 607 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,000 No way. So I did talk about the, the 608 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,360 worldview and just kind of the baseline assumption of and I 609 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,400 didn't want to take that too far. 610 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600 I didn't want to assume the room was was completely full of 611 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920 believers. But at some point we have to 612 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,640 talk on a on a common ground of I believe in God, the Father of 613 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,680 Almighty Jesus Christ who died and rose again, and the Holy 614 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,720 Spirit who's with us now. Like we kind of have to have 615 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,240 that baseline apostles Creed, Christendom understanding. 616 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,040 And I do I'll hold to that. I said like that has to be the 617 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,360 first one because then that flows into every relationship 618 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,760 and decision that we make after that. 619 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,920 And I do, I do feel very strongly about that, whether it 620 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,040 is marriage or relationships or even ongoing family 621 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,840 relationships. Calling working. 622 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,000 I, I think it has to start with faith because most of our 623 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,560 relationships require even in work, especially in marriage, 624 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,159 especially in parenting. Most of these relationships 625 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:21,239 require us to be selfless to, to have at the very least 626 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,679 compromise. But either either way, a lot of 627 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:30,040 humility and if we can pause even before entering into a 628 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,480 dating relationship, a marriage relationship, even before 629 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,239 entering into I know it sounds absurd. 630 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,280 It shouldn't, but in some ways it does sound absurd to like go 631 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,600 to God in prayer about should we have a child? 632 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,520 Do you, do you want to? And there's a lot, there's lots 633 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,920 of different with with miscarriages and pregnancy 634 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,000 struggles. And I know, I know it's a 635 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,400 completely different landscape that there certainly are people 636 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,120 who have gone to God in prayer, maybe angrily. 637 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,560 Do you God, what? Why don't you want us to have a 638 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,320 child or why can't we have a child or, but, but even with 639 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,520 those things, yeah, we should enter in prayerfully. 640 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,520 We should enter in in faith in in, in marriage. 641 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,600 We should enter into God. Do you do you want me to be in 642 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,560 relationship with this person? Is this, as I said yesterday, 643 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,200 for for your glory and my good and that order is important. 644 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,560 And I think it's also important to we have that faith foundation 645 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,360 and then going to him first, because that's immediately 646 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,120 putting my wants, my needs secondary right to what God 647 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,760 wants, to what God has designed. And I think that's the first 648 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,520 step in humility and informing what we fill the rest of our 649 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,200 life with is, is putting my wants, my glory, in some ways 650 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,360 aside for God's glory. Absolutely, you know, and it's 651 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,680 the the points been made before. I don't think on this podcast, 652 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,600 but like quite honestly, if really practical you meant you 653 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,800 mentioned marriage, you know it. It is clear and I think my wife 654 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,560 would agree with me. It is clear when I am energized 655 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,000 and charged up in my relationship with the Lord 656 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,680 because I'm a way better husband. 657 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,520 Like I just well and and I'll without getting too personal, 658 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,560 like like you said, like when my relationship is right with God, 659 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,960 I am so much more self sacrificing. 660 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,320 I'm I'm actively looking for ways to serve her. 661 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,320 Now you can tell when my relationship with God is less 662 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,960 than because I just become kind of like lethargic and. 663 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,720 Probably. Frumpy. 664 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,280 I'm sorry, I don't know why that that word just came to the 665 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,840 forefront of my mind. Sound like I didn't do laundry 666 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,560 for a week and I just came in looking all sad and tired to 667 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,200 work. Oh my. 668 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,840 God Yikes. Oh gosh. 669 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,160 OK. So that could go on AT Shirt. 670 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,760 Oh my gosh, you're painting me like that. 671 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,120 That that character from but Winnie the Pooh, the guy who 672 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,720 always loses his tail. Yours. 673 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,760 I'm just I guess I'm just feeling frumpy today. 674 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,520 Just just kind of a loser. I don't know. 675 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,160 This is ridiculous. OK, Anyway, I was the the whole 676 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,040 boy. I'm sorry I completely derailed, 677 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,680 it was probably going to be a really good thought process. 678 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,960 OK, anyway, the whole point is it's obvious when it's obvious 679 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,200 that me being a good husband is most assuredly reliant on also 680 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,000 having a right relationship with Jesus Christ, because then I am 681 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,560 more selfless. And so yeah, if, if. 682 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,840 And even you saying that and acknowledging that, that your 683 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,840 best strength as a husband is in God's way, when, when, when you 684 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,360 are being a husband the way God designed for you to be a 685 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,920 husband, that's then it's not you. 686 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,800 It's not super Chris who's just an awesome husband. 687 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,600 No, it's it's follower of Christ, Chris, who is informing 688 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,480 how to be a husband the way that Jesus designed, the way that God 689 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,680 designed to do it. It's not in your power. 690 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,960 Yeah. Well, and The thing is like it, 691 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,520 it strikes, it strikes the exact balance it's supposed to because 692 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,520 you might think, Oh well, like if I'm being selfless, that 693 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,720 means that I just, you know, my spouse can walk all over me and 694 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,440 they do whatever they want and I'm always. 695 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,360 Selfless does not just mean submission walk. 696 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,440 No, it absolutely does not mean that. 697 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,760 And The thing is like, if my relationship is right with God, 698 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,800 I will understand my role within the marriage, which is to lead, 699 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,360 but lead through service. And so in my leading through 700 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,560 service, I can, I can. I'll know when something is off 701 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,280 and I, yeah, I'll still continue to serve, but I will correct 702 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,280 because there's something off. And I know that because my 703 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,840 relationship with God is right and I know what he expects from 704 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,480 me. And so all that ties together 705 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,480 like pretty fantastically. And so it's just, it's just 706 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,880 reality. We start with God and then 707 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,280 everything else can flow through that. 708 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,880 I mean, you know, of course, like this kind of very famous 709 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,320 verse, seek his Kingdom first, Seek that first. 710 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,880 It's so obvious. Seek that first. 711 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,120 God'll, God'll take care of it. Like you get to participate in 712 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,200 those things. But God, God's got your back 713 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,440 when you seek Him first. Yes, and and with that, I want 714 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,480 to I want to transition to a little other thought process 715 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,560 that I didn't I didn't dwell on a whole lot yesterday. 716 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,520 I know I I brought up marriage a lot yesterday. 717 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,440 The other thing that I didn't, I'm not sure I clarified 718 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,280 completely. I put it out there. 719 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,160 I didn't want to pit the for for his glory and my good. 720 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,600 I I didn't want to put our choices against each other as 721 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,280 I'm either doing this. For God or I'm doing it for 722 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,320 money. And I, I, I didn't, I didn't 723 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,160 talk about money a whole lot yesterday. 724 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,160 There was one point that I put it out there as a motivation or 725 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,320 a reason or maybe a potentially bad thing. 726 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,040 I don't want it to be that you, you don't even though there is 727 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,040 the, you cannot serve 2 masters. You cannot serve God and money. 728 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,000 I, I think I've said it before, I'll say it again. 729 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,720 There are those of you out there in in our church in the world 730 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,600 you're calling your gifting. It's to make money. 731 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,880 You, you, you're darn good at making money. 732 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,200 Great. OK, but why are you doing it? 733 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,160 Are you like go back to that, go back to the question, are you 734 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,520 doing it to make money and have a lot of money, which, OK, you 735 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,120 might say, yeah, I'm going to take care of myself and mine and 736 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,920 get mine and, and have a good life. 737 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,000 Yeah, I'm, I'm doing it to make money and have money in the 738 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,760 Christian worldview. I think God's glory has to has 739 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,280 to be in there, right? Like has has to be part of that 740 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,000 answer. How how am I glorifying God in 741 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,480 this calling, even even if it is to make money and earthly 742 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,760 resource. God has blessed you with the 743 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,560 ability to do that. How are how are you honoring his 744 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,240 glory and you're good. I I would in that situation like 745 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,080 you're good is probably happening. 746 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,080 You're, you're, you're taking care of yourself, you're taking 747 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,280 care of your family or whatever, just what you're doing. 748 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,240 What I didn't dwell on as much yesterday, I guess, was how, how 749 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:44,280 we glorify God in that. So not the money is evil, but 750 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,000 that I think that's one of those things that we do need to be 751 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,040 guarded in of, of why am I doing this? 752 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,640 And yeah, maybe a lot of times it does take a lot of time to 753 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,760 make a lot of money. You're, you're taking time from 754 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,760 other things. You're, you're dedicated to work 755 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,040 or, or you're just obsessive. I've, I've been in places even 756 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,400 I, I don't mate, like we, we get paid. 757 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,360 It's just fine. We're, we're, we're, we're 758 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,080 accounted for and like, and like supporting our families and 759 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,600 things. But we also there's weeks that 760 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,120 we can work a lot and we can get obsessed over work or even maybe 761 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,800 even to a healthy point. And it's, it's not for money. 762 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,440 I don't, I don't make more money if I work 70 hours on a week 763 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,720 then versus 50 hour. Like we, we don't, we don't have 764 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,840 overtime. So there can be unhealthy 765 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,560 reasons to spend a lot of time on work too. 766 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,360 And that's, that's more of what I wanted to be guarded against 767 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,560 any. Yeah, no, I think I you, you 768 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,840 said that well, but there's so much there that I actually, I, I 769 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,280 have so many thoughts. I will be here one at a time, 770 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,240 hour and a half, one at a time. But like, OK, so with, with the 771 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:55,040 the idea of my OK. So like, if I give the way that 772 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,880 God wants me to give, that's going to be generous and it's 773 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,360 probably going to be to the point where even if I make a 774 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,920 stupid amount of money, I am going to actually take away 775 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,760 opportunities from myself because I'm so generous. 776 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,840 So, so in other words, like I have all this money and let's 777 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,640 say I have so much that giving it a tithe, which is 10% or even 778 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,360 15 or even 20%, I still have a ridiculous amount of money and 779 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,000 nothing is going to stop me from doing exactly what I want to do 780 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,560 with my life. It would seem to be that because 781 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,560 we don't see a certain percentage in the New Testament, 782 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,120 God just calls us to give generously. 783 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,040 And so, you know, that does mean like, I'm going to, I think the 784 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,720 call of the Christian is to give generously to the point where 785 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,760 like I'm actually going to stop myself from doing some things 786 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,680 that maybe I would have done had I kept all my money, you know, 787 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,720 and that's not to say that I can't save up for those things 788 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,120 and do them later on in life. But like, maybe I just don't do 789 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,600 that this month because like, hey, I heard about this group in 790 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,440 Somalia that's, you know, starving. 791 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,040 Like I get emails like that. And then I'll do research on the 792 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,560 companies, just make sure they're legit. 793 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,440 But like the whole point is like God's going to ask us to 794 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,800 prioritize some things like faith and that should inform how 795 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,360 we do everything, including money, for example. 796 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,360 And and to to that point, I'm not suggesting that we I don't 797 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,480 think either of us really are suggesting that we that we like 798 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,760 deprive ourselves even even that if if the level of giving is to 799 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,280 the point where you're you're resentful or disappoint, then 800 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,040 that's that's also not what God wants. 801 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,560 That's God loves the heart of a cheerful giver. 802 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,680 If it's done out of joy, if it's done out of I have this earthly 803 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,000 resource, I can help. I want help in in this way. 804 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,920 Yeah, OK. There doesn't need to be a limit 805 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,600 on that. If there's, if there's less of a 806 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,160 limit on that, if it, if it's maybe I think what you're 807 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:04,160 getting at, if there's a point where, Oh no, I gave, I gave him 808 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,240 a little bit. I'm going to keep most of this 809 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,760 for myself because I'd be really disappointed if I didn't have 810 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:16,080 all this stuff for myself. That's maybe just heart issue in 811 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,800 that that we haven't. And I said the word issue really 812 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,080 strongly there. But like maybe maybe that's 813 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,440 something that God still wants to kind of massage and and and 814 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,480 rend in your relationship with him. 815 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,880 That again, takes takes a great deal of maturity. 816 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,840 We don't like giving things away where I mean, I think I think 817 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,160 the ask where the rich young ruler Jesus gives him the task 818 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,040 of going and sell everything you have and follow me right like 819 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,080 that. That's pretty extreme. 820 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,160 Put in that scenario, I don't think any of us are like, Yep, 821 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,960 sign me up sound. That's what I was hoping you 822 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,360 were going to say. That's God. 823 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,080 That's why I was hoping. I was hoping like I just haven't 824 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,800 done that because your Holy Spirit hasn't told me to do 825 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,560 that. If if the spirit told me to do 826 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,640 that, yeah, I'd I'd I'd go do it right away. 827 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,440 I don't know that any of us are like have that response. 828 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,360 So I'm not, I'm not saying it should be easy like that or, but 829 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,840 I, I think the cheerful giver component of it again. 830 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,760 And even I, I think you can ask yourself, why am I doing this? 831 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:33,040 Even in giving if, if the answer is because God told me to or, or 832 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,640 because I'm going to feel guilty if I don't or because, well, 833 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,480 people are expecting me to do it. 834 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,280 I, I don't know that those are right reasons either. 835 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,360 I think it should probably be something closer to God's 836 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,280 blessed me with his ability to to gain earthly resource and and 837 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,840 I'm going to give back out of what he's he's trusted me with 838 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,400 or given me the ability to earn. It's if it's something outside 839 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,760 of that vein. I don't think it is cheerful 840 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,920 giving. Yeah, no, I'm I'm totally with 841 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,240 you on that. And the we say it a lot at ERC. 842 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:11,040 But like man, that cheerful, that joyful giver, like that is 843 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,360 the, I mean, you can't overemphasize that enough. 844 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,040 I don't think. Like if it's not that, then if 845 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,680 God really wanted your money that badly, he would squash you 846 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,320 and take it. No, he wants you to participate 847 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,640 in the right way. Our motives, just like, just 848 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,320 like the timing of things is important. 849 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,040 Our motives are deeply, deeply important. 850 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,920 And God knows our hearts therefore have the right 851 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,880 motives. Because you're not going to 852 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,280 trick him. You're not going to manipulate 853 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,120 him, right? He's not going to owe you 854 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,560 something. At the end of the day, it's not 855 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,600 going to happen. Yeah, so I just wanted to make 856 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,920 sure that that didn't I, I, I didn't want to paint the picture 857 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,560 of you're doing life wrong. If you're not prioritizing like 858 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,320 that. You should be prioritizing God 859 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,920 over money always. No, I think you can prioritize 860 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,840 your relationship with God in, in money, in your work, in, in, 861 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,960 in all these things. But it is important to consider 862 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,520 the why am I doing this and the life of a Christian. 863 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,040 Your relation to God in even those things, even the money you 864 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,840 earn or the the earthly resource you have should be a 865 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,000 consideration. Yep, totally agree. 866 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,240 Any other thoughts? I feel like I'm just going on a 867 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,240 tirade. Yes, a follow up of things that 868 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,360 I may be covered yesterday too. No, that's OK. 869 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,720 I think I actually, and I've heard from people sometimes it's 870 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:36,400 just fun to not because, you know, we, we skipped some things 871 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,160 and acts, so we're not covering every word during the summer of 872 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,240 the book of Acts. But sometimes, and I've heard 873 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,480 this, that it's fun or it's helpful to get like a 874 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,160 conversation around a thought that's already come out for 875 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,200 extended clarity and just, you know, for more of an, more of an 876 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680 opportunity to engage with, with those thoughts. 877 00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:01,040 And so like I, I love, like I was really again, being 878 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,320 complimentary in, in a truly authentic way. 879 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,560 I really loved how you brought that forward yesterday. 880 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,280 And, and I, and I think that it did provoke some conversations 881 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,360 and some thoughts and people's real lives and in, in their 882 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,680 hearts. And it certainly did with me, 883 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,200 you know, just that, that question that you just hammered 884 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,360 home, why are we doing this? You know, and so I, I'm thankful 885 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,600 for it and thankful for the opportunity to continue to dive 886 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,160 into it and talk about it a little bit more. 887 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,200 Well, thanks man, appreciate that. 888 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,880 And I did hear back from from several of you, a lot of you 889 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,800 yesterday and in person or or via text messages or or instant 890 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,240 messenger messages late instant messenger as well. 891 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:41,760 That's too far. Just mess, not instant message. 892 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,480 I'm not on MSN still not that. But thank you for for your 893 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,480 messages of encouragement yesterday. 894 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,880 I think I responded to each and every one of you, but it was 895 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,880 the, the sermon yesterday, the message and the, and the words 896 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,000 from Acts like it was something that was convicting to me and 897 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,560 real in my life and something that I felt many of you in our 898 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,320 church community needed to hear or be or be reminded of as well. 899 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,720 And judging from the feedback that I've received, or even the 900 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,480 feedback that you're saying, it was something that hit home for, 901 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,680 for many of us. So we get to learn and grow in 902 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,320 it together. Please, I, I hope it was heard 903 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,240 in in love and grace and not and not guilt. 904 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,920 I tried to make that come out, I think, but I just I, I am, I am 905 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,200 convinced that there is a way that that is best for us to 906 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,040 follow God and I, and I think it was several of the things that I 907 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,720 outlined yesterday are are part of how to how to live our best 908 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,400 lives for for God as his followers. 909 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,080 So. Yeah, and you know what, 910 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,200 friends? This is not me saying this in 911 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,280 any kind of combative way, but let's not apologize for the way. 912 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,400 No, let's not apologize for that because this is this is the 913 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,880 designer. This is the creator of all 914 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,360 things. And in his word, he gives us, I 915 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,080 think, a pretty clear sense of like the way that he's called us 916 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,840 to live and engage with the world and those around us and of 917 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,400 course, engage with him. Like let's not ever apologize 918 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,680 for like looking at God's word and saying this is the way. 919 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,360 Not going to apologize for that and we shouldn't. 920 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,520 No thanks for hanging out with us. 921 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,160 Drop us some comments below the show or on the Facebook feed 922 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,080 beneath the link here. Let us know if you have whatever 923 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,000 questions, things you want to hear us debate that are random 924 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,560 and silly about life, or more serious that you just want us to 925 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,160 talk about or answer on the show. 926 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,000 You're always welcome to submit your questions to us and we'll 927 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,560 talk about them as we can. This has been ERC leftovers. 928 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,960 Hope you have a great week Church.