1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,560 Happy Monday, we are live right now. 2 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Right now. Right now, I mean, we are. 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,240 Listening to it, we are live. Yeah. 4 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:26,560 Straight from Duet Iowa, the Sunday Leftovers podcast. 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,200 I'm Pastor Matt along with Pastor Chris. 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Man, you, you went, you went for the heartstrings yesterday and I 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,880 know that was your was it 1 heart to love them all? 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,000 What was what was the last line? 1 heart. 9 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,840 Yeah, oh gosh, now. Oh my gosh. 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,600 One heart was love for them all that I think. 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,680 I think that was the third line and it was very it touched on 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,760 your nerddom a little bit. I wasn't sure. 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,480 Yeah, it was very. Close to the One Ring to rule 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,960 them all from Lord of the Rings. It really was 01 heart to heal 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,080 them all. One heart to heal them all. 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,440 That's. Because, you know, and that 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,760 comes out of like, maybe the the line that affected me most out 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,000 of the text that we used was, you know, Paul obviously saying, 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,880 what are you doing? You're, you're breaking my 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,040 heart. And I instantly kind of thought 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,920 through that. And I was like, yeah, but 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,360 there's also one heart to heal them all. 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,000 And I again, you're right, Lord of the Rings is right there. 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,280 But I don't know if anybody picked up on that yesterday. 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,680 If they did, they didn't say it to me. 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,800 That was like the first that you, you said I'm going to show 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:33,600 you. I'm going to show you where 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,000 we're going next. And I was all right, All right. 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,920 I see you. Well, I did. 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,840 I did notice, you know, and I mentioned it like, I didn't mean 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,640 to make the points of my sermon like rhyme, but it did that and 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,200 it was. Nice little yeah. 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,360 And it and it and it was also, yeah, a very, very quiet nod to 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,880 Lord of the Rings because. But it fits. 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,600 It fits. I didn't have to force that. 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,640 I liked it. No thanks for holding things 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,600 down this weekend. Got away with the family to 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,280 Cincinnati for a for a quick concert. 39 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,280 So thanks for preaching. I mean, I know it's just it's 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,560 your job. Thank you for doing your job. 41 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:17,080 But yeah, you, you flew solo. Natalie led the worship team 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,520 this weekend and that and that was good. 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,000 Caught that on the live stream and looked like you had a good 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,800 gathering on Sunday. So it's nice to have have the 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,320 community here. It's always good to be with 46 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,960 God's people and even if you're a person who comes to ERC and 47 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,840 you're like, I don't actually know about this whole 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,200 Christianity thing, but I like, I like being there honestly. 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,920 Like, that's where I started what you might call my faith 50 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:44,520 journey. Like, I came to this church when 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,280 it was Lutheran fellowship so many years ago. 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,960 And yeah, I didn't know if I totally believed everything that 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,960 was being said and sang, but I was like, no, I like it here. 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,880 This is this is nice. Yeah. 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,960 So continuing that on, but no, it was it's also just fulfilling 56 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,320 to be able to to be able to leave and leave the gathering 57 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,360 here in in your capable hands and and our other leaders as 58 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,480 well. So we got a way to Cincinnati, 59 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:16,080 Brandon Lake and Phil Wickham, who we do many of their songs in 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,320 worship here at ERC and feel pretty good about the theology 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,160 and truth that's rooted in the lyrics that they write and bring 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 to the global church. But they also brought along 63 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Josiah, Queen. Oh, real young up and coming 64 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,320 guy. Really good stuff. 65 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,360 Yes, so they did. I think it's 12, maybe 18 66 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,760 cities, something like that. Just kind of a short tour. 67 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,720 They started in Pittsburgh on Friday night. 68 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,040 Cincinnati was second night of the tour. 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 And they just have a few other cities that they're going to in 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,320 the next couple weeks. But for us, that was like for us 71 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,200 and for our kids, like this was a trifecta of the three of these 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,040 guys at 1:00 concert. It's it's perfect right now. 73 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,840 We're into all of their meet. They all have hits right now. 74 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,440 We're into all their music right now. 75 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,320 I don't know it'll ever happen again. 76 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,200 Like the three of them are in the same spot other than other 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,440 than kind of a festival. So we Cincinnati was the closest 78 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,200 they got to here, believe it or not, like and that's still 6 1/2 79 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,680 hours it was to drive there. But we planned planned the 80 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,680 weekend to see this lineup first big sort of arena concert for 81 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,320 the kids. And we mostly found out that 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,240 they were too young to to go to. It's tough to find that out in 83 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,000 real time. In real time, it was, it was 84 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,480 hard, but it was, it was long. I mean, they were they were 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,200 there for they made it through about two hours and at that 86 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:51,280 point it was we're done. We we can, we've seen enough and 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:52,480 that was fine. It worked out. 88 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,480 We had a couple other families with us too, and we we figured 89 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,920 out facilitating and coordinating. 90 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,040 But it got me thinking for this week outside of the would you 91 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,440 rather, but what's what sort of concert lineup would you put out 92 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,560 there? Like just and just three names 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,840 and maybe we even need to do categories like this would be 94 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,520 this would be Christian concert category for it would be would 95 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,920 be these three. There's some others that I could 96 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,360 kind of flex in there for Canadian country is a really 97 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,320 good. Oh, they put on such a good 98 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,800 show. Yeah, and there are a couple 99 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,600 other depending on how much you want to flex into the Christians 100 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,360 like need to breathe is very spiritual. 101 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 They don't write a whole lot of there aren't like Christian 102 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,280 virtues laced through all of their songs, but they are 103 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Christians who make music Switchfoot similarly like they 104 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,400 do. They do a really nice crossover. 105 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,800 I love both of those bands, but I don't know for for like this, 106 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,800 for like a Christian worship night thing. 107 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,920 I I I couldn't pick three better. 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,240 I don't I don't think like Hillsong Beth. 109 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Well, Josh Baldwin. I I know there's others out 110 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,080 there. This would be like the three. 111 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,720 If I could custom do a show right now. 112 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,920 It's the three that I would put in this. 113 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,000 So that's why we went. So for you, I don't know, 114 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,960 Christian show, otherwise just summer festival show. 115 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,320 Maybe a couple different options here. 116 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,400 What? What are the perfect concerts 117 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,360 that Pastor Chris would put together right now? 118 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,400 If I if I had to go Christian music only and this is going to 119 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,040 hit some different timelines a little bit, Oh boy. 120 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,920 But, and I don't, I don't know who's opening and closing yet, 121 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,040 but. So this is like Hall of Fame, 122 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,480 OK. This is like this is like the. 123 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,560 Timeline This is not the year 2025, this is the. 124 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,080 Like Chris, could be, it could be, I don't know. 125 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,320 They're all still touring, they're all still doing things. 126 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,200 But I, I think if I could put together a show that like by the 127 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,880 end of the night, I would just probably be on the floor because 128 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 it's so much. It would have to be for King and 129 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,480 Country, David Crowder and Brandon Lake, like all three of 130 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,000 those, you know, they all put on ridiculous performances. 131 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,160 They're all so high engine, they're so good. 132 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,600 And so, yeah, I don't know, I think those three would be tops, 133 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,120 tops for, for that. That would be an amazing show. 134 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,560 I'm sorry, I wasn't sure how far you're going to wind back. 135 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,560 I thought you were going to throw out like DC Talk or movies 136 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,280 boys or like some of the like, All right. 137 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,360 Are we going back 30 years? I wasn't a Christian when those 138 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,800 guys were a thing, so I don't I don't really know a lot about 139 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:24,720 them. Nope. 140 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,120 Those three, Crowder, Brandon Lake, obviously, and then for 141 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,920 King and Country, that would still be a really fun show. 142 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,280 That's a show they could put together. 143 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,800 That's a show they could definitely do. 144 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,080 It would, it would be a lot of dollars behind that if you 145 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,440 could, if you could pull that off. 146 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Yeah, there was a different conversation I had this weekend. 147 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,680 It was brought up there was a festival in Wisconsin Creed 148 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,400 touring still, still doing things. 149 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,400 They were supposed to have 3 Doors Down on tour with them 150 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,200 this summer and some medical thing. 151 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,400 Lead singer is dealing with some medical issues, cancer actually, 152 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,640 and opted out of the tour. Daughtry jumped in to replace 3 153 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,120 Doors Down on the tour and someone brought up, brought up 154 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,720 that tour that that show was happening. 155 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,800 And my immediate response was, I'll just throw a Nickelback in 156 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,960 there. And we just got we just got the 157 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,760 show. I mean, mostly the same, but 158 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,680 still like all, all fun to hear, right? 159 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,760 So what about what about that? Would you? 160 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,640 Would you go? OK, I'm, I'm curious because if 161 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,440 I've, if I've caught this right about you over the last couple 162 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:38,679 years, like you're more of like a, a punk like kind of guy like 163 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Creed would not necessarily be your thing. 164 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,360 Like am I, am I correct in saying if, if it was Creed or 165 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,520 like a band like 182, you would probably learn more towards like 166 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Blink 182? Is that correct? 167 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:58,120 Yes, I'm much more like punk rock emo is is my yeah is is my 168 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,360 main vein. But so I will say, however, was 169 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,760 really 15-O gosh, it's 2025. So that is 20 years ago. 170 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:12,680 That's unfortunate. 20 years ago, really in the Nickelback 171 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,840 really Daughtry, I stopped watching American Idol the year 172 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,000 that Daughtry didn't win American Idol, which I mean, 173 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,240 maybe it sounds weird. I whatever, I probably could 174 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,720 have stopped watching long before that. 175 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,920 But I also think it was something that like pretty sure 176 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,880 my family just like sat down and followed American Idol and 177 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,440 whatever else. But I remember being like just 178 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,320 appalled that he didn't get further than he did. 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,040 And I loved listening to his his early career too. 180 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,640 So Creed I missed like the heydays of Creed. 181 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,280 So it's not it's not even like that style of music that I have 182 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,240 an aversion to. I just kind of missed Creed on. 183 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,000 Well, you would have had to have been. 184 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,680 Yeah, That was like, I mean, they were starting to hit in 185 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:59,560 like, what, like 199697 and then blew up by 2000. 186 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:02,880 They were just, like, all over the world at that point and 187 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,320 maybe being played on the radio too much. 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:10,160 And then, you know, Scott Stapp and his vocal intonations became 189 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,440 kind of a meme of sorts. And so then, you know, and we go 190 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,120 off from there. Yeah, so, so nothing against I, 191 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,080 I just missed Creed. Like I don't, I, I listen to 192 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,840 others in that musical genre and for whatever reason, I just, I 193 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,480 just don't have them in my musical catalog. 194 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,920 So I'd go see him, I'd go watch him, and nothing, nothing 195 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,280 against that genre. I mean, they put on a pretty 196 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,200 incredible show. Me and some others caught them 197 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,960 last summer at the Jackson County Fair, not so far away 198 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,320 from here. And I was like, oh, man, this 199 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:49,160 guy is the grandpa now. And he's, he's still going out 200 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,120 and going hard every night. So. 201 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,320 And I think, I think actually I read that they had their best 202 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,280 ticket sales of their entire band career last summer. 203 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,520 What? Yeah. 204 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Like, they were just selling out places left and right. 205 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,760 It was crazy. Man, that's OK. 206 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,560 So, but that's got to be unless it was in number. 207 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,400 Was that figure like in numbers, number of tickets not? 208 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,440 Just like no, no, like dollars. So maybe it's inflation. 209 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,320 Thing right? It's an inflation issue. 210 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,680 But yeah, 20 years. Ago, but they. 211 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,880 Were sold the same amount. Of tickets. 212 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,880 So SEC for secular bands. OK, who if if you were going to 213 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,760 see 3 bands on the same night, what would that look like for 214 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,120 you? OK, so I already mentioned a 215 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,000 couple of those crossovers Need to Breathe and Switch foot. 216 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:38,040 I still those are just two of my favorite bands ever, so it would 217 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,080 be hard to exclude them from that. 218 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,600 But in the whatever, if you want to take him out for the the the 219 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Christian aspect, if you want to go secular and just rock band, 220 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,000 go radio. Oh man, I don't I don't know 221 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:01,280 that I could put it so go radio. Jimmy Eat World is probably my 222 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,440 top secular seen them. I've seen them more times than 223 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,360 any other band. They went through 1st Ave. in 224 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Minneapolis every year. I think they still do, but high 225 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:15,840 school, college, I went there every year to see to see them go 226 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,720 radio. I'm not surprised that most of 227 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,080 you don't know who that. Is I actually don't you say that 228 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,360 and I'm like, I don't know who that is. 229 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,440 If you know the band Mayday Parade, he was the second singer 230 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,680 in the original band Mayday Parade and they had a falling 231 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:30,880 out and he's Jason Lancaster is his name. 232 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,840 And he started this other band called Go Radio with a group 233 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,360 group of his friends in Florida. And they kind of had this tiff 234 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,320 going on throughout their rock careers. 235 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,400 And I actually, I like them more than Mayday Parade. 236 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,120 But Mayday Parade is also like in the conversation for me. 237 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Then you get really like, I really like Fall Out Boy. 238 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,800 I don't I don't know that I could. 239 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,160 I've never been to a concert. I don't know that I would want 240 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,960 to go to a Fall Out Boy concert, but I just, I don't know some of 241 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,560 some of that punk, punk rock, emo. 242 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:08,400 So I would say, oh man, Third Eye Blind is in there too. 243 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,680 Oh, really? OK. 244 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,680 Motorcycle Drive By I still think is just one of one of the 245 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:17,840 best songs ever. Man, I was. 246 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,920 I should have been ready for you to throw this back on me. 247 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,520 I did. I threw it right back. 248 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,080 I volleed back. Sir and this isn't even punker 249 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,920 like I still I really enjoy Coldplay and that's a different. 250 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,160 Genre you can't bring up Coldplay now without the 251 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,120 Internet has been losing its mind for the last four days. 252 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,320 That's a whole different topic. Maybe I shouldn't bring that up, 253 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,600 but anyway. OK, so I guess if I had to pick 254 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:49,600 three that I would want to see right now over OK, you know, I'm 255 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,040 just just across genres. If I had to put three together, 256 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,040 they would never play a show together, but it would be it 257 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,440 would be need to breathe, Switchfoot and Jimmy Eat World 258 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,600 would be like. Wow. 259 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,800 My perfect non worship night concert that should be those 260 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,280 three. They would never play together. 261 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,600 They I doubt I need to breathe and switch, but it probably 262 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,880 played together. But Jimmy? 263 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,280 I don't know. Maybe Jimmy. 264 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,800 And maybe you would. Maybe. 265 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,160 You would. They could be close anyway. 266 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,720 That would be the three. OK, I'm going to put together a 267 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,440 couple bands that definitely would never see the light of day 268 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,400 on the same stage. Let's let's put together start 269 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,160 with we'll, we'll, we'll run Dave Matthews Band and Creed 270 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,040 together. Yep, I said it. 271 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,440 Summer. Concert band. 272 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,600 I know, right? Well, but the problem with Dave 273 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,840 Matthews Band is they're going to play a 3 1/2 hour set by 274 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,200 themselves. So let's put those two bands in 275 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,160 there. And then the third one is much 276 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,080 more difficult for me. I, I guess I don't know. 277 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:52,880 Oh gosh, I'm not sure who my third band would be, really. 278 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,640 I really don't know. There is one band that I've 279 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,080 listened to a ton, but I've seen them twice and it's a band that 280 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,400 most people have never heard of. It's called Tantric. 281 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,240 They're also in that like late 90s thing, but they've been 282 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,800 making albums ever since then too. 283 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,320 And the only thing that stayed steady about the band is the 284 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,360 lead singer. Everybody else has changed about 285 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,920 10 times over. But yeah, put on a great show. 286 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,080 I actually went to a show with one of my seminary friends when 287 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,840 I was in seminary not so many years ago. 288 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,640 And it was at this, I don't know, you know, bar restaurant 289 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,480 in Fargo. And about 30 people showed up. 290 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,080 They played outside. About 30 people showed up. 291 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,680 So like, it was a little awkward, but like after the show 292 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,880 totally went and got to talk to the guys in the band because 293 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,240 there was no one there. Wow, worked out for you then. 294 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,360 I guess, but I felt bad for him. I was like, man, this guy's 295 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,720 pretty talented and for 30 people to show up, that's just a 296 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,960 bad booking. Like you booked him in a space 297 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,560 where obviously they weren't very popular. 298 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,200 Yikes so OK Creed and Dave Matthews Band? 299 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,920 I feel like you should just throw like Goo Goo Dolls in 300 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,600 there or something. I mean, you know what? 301 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Why? Why don't we do this? 302 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,800 Why don't we make it really interesting? 303 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,640 We'll do, you know, Creed and Dave Matthews Band and Red Hot 304 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Chili Peppers? There you go. 305 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,160 That's a heck of a night. Wow. 306 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,000 Yeah, you'd you'd cover all your bases. 307 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,800 I feel you really would. That's all the things you really 308 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,160 would. I love that, actually. 309 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,720 That's great. Oh, man. 310 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,280 OK, so let us know if you want to delineate between like 311 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,560 Christian worship night concert and yeah, otherwise festival 312 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,000 night concert. You can let us know in the 313 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,960 comments here in the show section or or on Facebook. 314 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,840 You know what your ideal concerts would be. 315 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,200 What would also be fun is if like time was not an issue, so 316 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,160 could you pull together like, you know, The Beatles and The 317 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,680 Rolling Stones and whoever you know that would that would be 318 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,560 awesome whole. Other can of war like. 319 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,000 That's yeah, that's a lot. To go through the years, that 320 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,640 would be fascinating. It would because I feel like we 321 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,640 kept it sort of present day, like right right now. 322 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,240 Who could we go see right now? But so that would be interesting 323 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,000 too. What's your what's your all time 324 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,200 lineup? Whoa, that'd be a lot. 325 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,560 I can't even think about that right now. 326 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,720 You guys know all my brain. About it than I do but all 327 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,960 right, let us know your ideal concert lineup to think about 328 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:24,680 that and tell us what it is. So Acts 21, we were in this week 329 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,720 a lot talk. You were preaching, talking a 330 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,400 lot about I, I used that. I don't know that you even 331 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,760 necessarily said the term the cost of discipleship. 332 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,560 But that's, that's what was impressed upon me from your 333 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,280 message. And you told a story towards the 334 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,760 end about your your departure, your call, you're leaving to 335 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,160 seminary and what was involved in that, the cost or the the 336 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,760 weight, the feeling that that was on you. 337 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:58,280 I remember feeling that similarly, especially when my 338 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,360 dad went off to seminary. I was born in, I was born in 339 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,520 eastern Pennsylvania, and when I was 10 years old, we moved 340 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,840 across the country to Minnesota for my dad to go to seminary. 341 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,800 And that was that was a lot. We don't have a whole lot of 342 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,440 believers in our extended family. 343 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,560 And the ones who were not believers, I still like that 344 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,880 left scars to this day in, in our family. 345 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,720 There are still some of them that don't understand why, why 346 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,400 my dad did that or from my mom's side, like why my mom would have 347 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,000 been OK with my dad doing that to our family or in some ways 348 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,080 like bringing taking their grandchildren or or cousins away 349 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:48,920 from family or whatever else. So that's been a real felt 350 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,480 brokenness, I guess, in in our family from that. 351 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,320 And even to a lesser degree, we're not that far away from 352 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,240 Wisconsin, but like moving, moving here to Iowa was 353 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:05,040 interesting. And I think I think a lot less 354 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,000 so, at least at least for me, a lot of Emily's family is still 355 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,760 up there. Most of my family have moved 356 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,280 around by then and by now. But we were also this community 357 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,600 that we came to. You talked about leaving this 358 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,440 community and now you're now you're back, obviously, but from 359 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:27,880 day one, really for us, I, I remember how we were accepted in 360 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,240 and brought in and really welcomed with. 361 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,160 I know what stood out to us most was the, the initiative that 362 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,480 people took. It wasn't even just asking what 363 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,760 do you need? It was it was people offering 364 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,560 very specific solutions and, and helps to us. 365 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,280 I know even in the in the early days of Amanda and and others, 366 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:58,680 Stephanie and the other other other ladies and even students 367 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,600 in the congregation offering to watch children. 368 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,120 I know even especially for Emily to participate on worship team 369 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,480 like in that. And that was that was the 370 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,040 initial reason to ask was, Hey, I can do this so you can do 371 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,560 that. Can can I help you? 372 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,480 And I know that was a lasting impression that was, I don't 373 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,320 know that way. That was our initial experience 374 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,480 with this congregation. I think that's still, that 375 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,240 really rings true today. There's something innate here 376 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,480 about our community and about our culture. 377 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,720 People take the initiative to meet specific needs. 378 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,520 They're not just there's plenty that are willing to jump in and 379 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,080 do whatever and help in whatever way. 380 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,640 There's also a lot of individuals here that see a need 381 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,400 and are like, I can do that. Let me do that. 382 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,640 Let me let me serve you in this way. 383 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,040 And I and I think that's really cool. 384 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,680 So that was in a lot of ways we didn't feel, I don't think 385 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:02,200 coming here, we didn't feel that hurt as much because we were 386 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:10,040 almost instantaneously like on a family level, Lynn, Dehaan, Lynn 387 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,800 and Hank too. I started, I started naming 388 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,720 names. There's a lot of, there's lots 389 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,080 of you here that have had different impacts and, and 390 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,200 supports for our family throughout the years and, and 391 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,440 still do. But I I remember even a lot of 392 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,320 ladies, Lindsay Cagle and some of the other ladies helping us 393 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,280 unload unload the moving van. And we're just ready to ready to 394 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,200 set up the house, ready to unpack the kitchen, helping 395 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,760 helping Emily just like make her home that day. 396 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,160 Like we're moving in. We want your first night here. 397 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,680 Like let's just set your house up and do it. 398 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,360 Yeah. The the kin raids and and pay 399 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:47,920 Emily's first time eating. Bam. 400 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,320 I know it was unpacking boxes at our house and things. 401 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:58,320 So I know that lessened that hurt for us moving here. 402 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,640 Did you have any sort of experience like that in in 403 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,240 Fergus? Because that's that's a 404 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,360 different animal up there to all together the seminary in life in 405 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,840 Fergus like you get you get sucked into circles there too 406 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,240 because of the call that you have. 407 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,040 Right. Yeah, when we it's it's 408 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,080 interesting is, you know, I, I had to think about it a little 409 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,080 bit more. And coming off the heels of that 410 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,560 short version of the story I shared yesterday, like leaving 411 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:31,120 DeWitt, when I pulled into the house in Fergus Falls, you know, 412 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,560 some eight and a half, nine hours later, there was just a 413 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,160 group of people waiting in the front yard, you know, and they 414 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,640 were just waiting to move boxes because they kind of known like, 415 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,440 OK, and he should be arriving around this time and whatever. 416 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,560 And so, I mean, that was really neat. 417 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:51,160 I I don't know that it had the lasting effect that, you know, a 418 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,320 place like Emmaus Rd. Church has, you know, for 419 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,480 example, but like still you show up and there's all these people 420 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,360 ready, you know, that they want to do something to help you. 421 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,880 And I do think the Christian community in that way is really 422 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,880 unique ERC for all the great things that it is that you've 423 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,760 just mentioned there there. There's just something about 424 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,120 like, you know, the authentic did you get? 425 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,560 It I got the fly, I meant to bring that up. 426 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,240 Earlier we've been working on this fly for. 427 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,480 This episode he needed to go and I got him. 428 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,600 He's been. Good deal, because he's buzzed 429 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,360 my tower a few times. Yeah. 430 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,480 But anyway, like, as far as like Christianity goes, I I think 431 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,440 that's, you know, that's the point, right? 432 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,720 It's one of the points of Christianity is that like you, 433 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800 you're just there, whether you know them well or not, whether 434 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,120 you plan on making a long term relationship with them or not. 435 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,640 Like you need to just be there because that represents who you 436 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,000 believe in. Like that action alone, that 437 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,880 action of caring represents who you believe in. 438 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,000 And so that is really in some ways just one of the core calls 439 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,920 of a Christian is go live it out, even if it looks like 440 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,000 helping somebody moving boxes or watching a kid, like go live it 441 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,280 out, you know, be, be the hands and feet that are needed in any 442 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,520 given space. And I know, I know there are 443 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,000 secular people who are very, you know, willing to help whoever. 444 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,520 And I've seen that too. But to the extent that like 445 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,400 Christianity allows you to organize that so much faster and 446 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,440 easier and in it, it's happened a lot. 447 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,680 And so I'm, I'm incredibly grateful for Christian 448 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,240 communities that have been a part of. 449 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,720 And but yeah, this one in particular was hard to leave 450 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,320 because I, I did have a sense, even though I hadn't traveled 451 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,040 much at that point, I had a sense that there was something 452 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,920 different here. And you know, and I wasn't 453 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,960 wrong, no offense to any place else I've been, but this place 454 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,720 is really pretty unique. And to what you're saying about 455 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,720 even just the time and moment or season that that action is. 456 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,880 We talked about it a little bit last week, I think too, of just 457 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,720 what's what's in front of you, what's what's there for you 458 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,920 today? Not not even that you're 459 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,120 committing to being on this journey, this Christian journey 460 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:08,640 with someone else for forever for the longevity of their faith 461 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,000 or their walk in preaching about Philip and the Ethiopian too. 462 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,720 Thinking back to that from a few weeks ago, that was he was 463 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,920 instantly transported away by by the Holy Spirit once the word 464 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,400 was preached and once the Ethiopian was baptized, he was 465 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,400 he was gone. We would assume that he never 466 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,000 again came across that man, but had an amazing impact in his 467 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,560 life, right? Had it affected his eternity? 468 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,960 For eternity? So yeah, it's. 469 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,920 It's a incredibly cool thing. And I actually, now that you 470 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,520 bring that up, I wanted to bring up something else maybe for a 471 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,840 moment, which was, you know, I've heard people in various 472 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,840 Christian circles say, well, you know, if you evangelize and 473 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,680 baptize somebody and then you instantly walk away like, what 474 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 are you doing? You're not really doing them any 475 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,240 justice. I think that story would fill it 476 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,680 with Philip would speak otherwise. 477 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,280 Like you brought it up. I think it was last week like. 478 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,600 I commend you to God and to the word of His grace. 479 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,720 Like that's enough. God's not the one who's not in a 480 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,840 hurry, like you said, right? And I mean, I, I think that's 481 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,960 the point, like when the opportunity to give the gospel 482 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,680 and, and to share that, whether that's through baptism or 483 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,520 whatever other means, like when that presents itself, don't 484 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,440 quench the Spirit. Yeah, yeah, God will. 485 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,160 God will work out the rest of the path. 486 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,920 But just because we can't stay there with them and follow up 487 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,320 with them for the next 6 months and say, OK, how's it going? 488 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,240 That doesn't mean we shouldn't act. 489 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,600 We absolutely should. Right, because I think we can 490 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,720 romanticize kind of the long term relationship of this too. 491 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,440 I'm not saying I'm not saying we should I, I think it's we, we do 492 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,800 have long term friendships and friendships and even 493 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,640 relationships, Christian relationships that last through 494 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,960 generations and last for a long time. 495 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,920 But also we're called to just be faithful in that moment too. 496 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:04,360 And even if that moment isn't followed up by subsequent 497 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,880 moments or subsequent years worth of relationship in there, 498 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,360 we're still called to, to faithfully proclaim and and live 499 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:16,880 out the gospel in that moment. So that what what you were kind 500 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,320 of talking about with with struggle and even just Paul 501 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480 relaying his experiences here, thinking back to my message last 502 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800 week and, and what you talked about this week and what will be 503 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,080 in store for us too. Of course, he has a long term 504 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,840 future view of like what's happening and where's, where 505 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,160 it's going. But I also hear a lot of him 506 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,440 just being present and faithful in in the moment. 507 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:46,280 And yes, there is seemingly momentary pain here and and many 508 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,040 of you may be in a place of that where your faith is a struggle. 509 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,200 It feel it feels like this choice to follow Jesus is a 510 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,280 burden is is a detriment to your life right now. 511 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,640 And Paul acknowledges that, but he also he also I think has his 512 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,120 eyes on the next moment has has his eyes on the next thing that 513 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,280 he's called to has his eyes on on the rearview of the of the 514 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,760 trials that God has brought him through and the lives that have 515 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,760 been touched and and affected and changed with the gospel in 516 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,920 that. So he's not a lot of you at at 517 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,000 church that like to use the phrase this too shall pass. 518 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,760 I I think that's maybe said in just sometimes and it and it 519 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,240 works both ways that the not to get caught up too much in the 520 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,680 good times because that will also at some point there will be 521 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,000 struggles, but also not to get mired down in the struggles that 522 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,200 it's always going to be that way. 523 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,760 This this too shall pass. So that's also an attitude that 524 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,280 I just I hear from him here as he's reflecting on the journey 525 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,080 of where he's been, what is still in store for him. 526 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720 But I also think it's encouraging to us as as a 527 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,360 Christian to not, we don't need to road map the rest of someone 528 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,720 else's journey like in that moment of evangelizing to them, 529 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,000 right? Absolutely. 530 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,560 We don't need to plan out this is where you should be two years 531 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,800 from now and this is how close you should be to God 10 years 532 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,760 from now. And that because honestly, like 533 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,040 we're still, we're still walking stumbling through that ourselves 534 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,120 to some degree. So anyway, that was different 535 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,640 than where we're going, but just a. 536 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,880 Couple no. That makes sense though. 537 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,640 Reflective thoughts from from me on on your message from 538 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200 yesterday. And yeah, thanks for sharing 539 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,080 your heart and a tender story at the end too. 540 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,360 It was a lot. I wasn't sure if I was going to 541 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,040 do that, you know, honestly, because like I, I, well, because 542 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920 here's the one thing, you know, peek behind the curtain. 543 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,480 Here's the one thing that can happen. 544 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,120 And I was warned of this during seminary, which is, you know, 545 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,400 it's OK to share personal moments that, that directly 546 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,520 connect with the text. But there's, there's potentially 547 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,120 2 problems #1 it feels like it's all about you. 548 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,880 And then that pulls your audience away from like being 549 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,240 able to connect with that because, well, this is just 550 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,040 about you, right? So, and I know some pastors have 551 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,200 gone too far with that. And every week it's a story 552 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,120 about me and me and me and me and me and you know, and, and 553 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,800 that can be too much. So that was one of the reasons 554 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,880 why I was concerned with sharing that. 555 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,640 But the bigger reason why I was concerned with sharing that was 556 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:34,080 because sometimes you can share a moment or a story that is so 557 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,960 like, like you, I think you said poles at the heartstrings in 558 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,080 such a real way that now we can't recover. 559 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,600 We just stay there. And, you know, so I had some 560 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,840 level of concern that like, I know that this is like, you 561 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,200 know, especially for me and the number of people who are 562 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840 familiar with this moment in my life because they were there and 563 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,320 they were present through those months. 564 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760 It could have been, and I don't know if it was, I have no idea, 565 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,680 but it could have been too much. It could have just left us right 566 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,440 there. And that's what we walk away 567 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,720 with, was this moment was really sad and really difficult, you 568 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,520 know, and so I didn't want to do that. 569 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,160 But again, you know, I, I can't say anything else. 570 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,600 But like, I felt prompted in that moment. 571 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920 It felt like the right moment to share that, to share that story. 572 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,160 And so, yeah, I debated about that all the way up until the 573 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,720 moment I did it. So on any given Sunday, yeah, 574 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,920 please know that like, you know, there's there's notes and 575 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,680 there's ideas and there's things that you absolutely want to put 576 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,720 out there because I know they're good for our people to hear. 577 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,920 But sometimes you have something in your head and like, I don't 578 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,040 know if I'm going to do this or not. 579 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,040 And then in that moment you just decide to learn to not do that. 580 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,120 And that was one of those moments for me, so. 581 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240 No. And I'm glad you did, I think. 582 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,080 Yeah, I think it was a good sincere expression of your 583 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,520 experience and and the calling that is there, but the cost that 584 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,000 it can come along with like it's it's fair warning. 585 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,200 And it's also maybe a little oxymoronic. 586 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,080 I I put it out there back when we did back when we did LBF 587 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,360 schools Sunday at the end of April too. 588 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,920 I remember preaching on Acts and it sounds weird, but like when 589 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,640 you, when you preach on a message that the the punchline 590 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,240 is to send, like is to, is to truly proclaim to the people 591 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,600 here at your church, go and make disciples. 592 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,880 Like you have to be able to say that with sincerity that some of 593 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,680 them are going to leave, right? And that's and that's painful 594 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,640 and and that's there's cost in that. 595 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,000 But if we believe what we're saying, like that's part of it 596 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,280 and it's, it's to build up and send out, not to just preach and 597 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,320 preach and keep them here, right. 598 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,240 So no, I, I appreciated that you were real about about the cost 599 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320 that, that, that it was. But also for any of you 600 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,200 listening for any of you here on Sunday that maybe are 601 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,720 considering whatever that might be a call to a call to 602 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,480 pastoring, a call to, to being a missionary, maybe even just 603 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,520 going to school up at Hillcrest or serving a summer at 604 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:30,920 inspiration Point. And and you've let maybe the the 605 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280 threat and we're going to talk about the passage here in Acts 606 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,360 21. Quick, right, jumping right into 607 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,320 the threat that face Paul in Jerusalem. 608 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,720 But the idea of that discomfort or the idea of that cost or pain 609 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,320 that might come in that some of those might be real. 610 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,120 Some of those might be a a hard stop. 611 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,520 No, don't do this. These are the reasons to not do 612 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,280 this, but there's also just a natural cost of discipleship 613 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,440 that is is going to involve some sacrifice or so discernment in 614 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,640 that. And really, as we've been 615 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,240 saying, familiarity with God's Word, familiarity with how his 616 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,960 voice sounds to be able to discern his voice in this call. 617 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,760 Is this something God would have me do? 618 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,560 Is this something that sounds like the voice of God calling me 619 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,120 to this thing that's that's of the utmost importance in in 620 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120 these considerations? And actually it's, it's 621 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,040 interesting right as we were preparing like, you know, 622 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,639 because we didn't actually leave for seminary until like 7-8 623 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,360 months after we had made that decision, because I obviously 624 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,440 had to stop an entire career and tell this school district, OK, 625 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,639 I'm not coming back all the things, right? 626 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,960 But during that time, you know, you go back to a story where 627 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,600 Jesus gives this great illustration with the camel in 628 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,600 the needle and the rich man who walks way all sad and all this 629 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,840 kind of stuff. And in Luke 1829, Jesus goes on 630 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,200 to say towards the end of that section, truly I tell you, no 631 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,320 one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents 632 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,280 or children for the sake of the Kingdom of God will not be 633 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,080 repaid 100 times. You know, and so like, and we 634 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,000 don't know exactly what that looks like, but we do hear it 635 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,240 straight from Jesus's mouth that hey, if you're willing to go to 636 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,800 the ends of the earth with me, if you're willing to be bound by 637 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,520 the Spirit, I've got something in store for you that maybe you 638 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,720 could have never imagined. Maybe you could have. 639 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,520 You didn't you're not thinking of right now. 640 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,760 But man, I, I had and if you're not into tattoos, I'm sorry, but 641 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,840 I had that verse tattooed on my body before we even left because 642 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,320 I was like, this is the kind of strength I need. 643 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,520 I need AI need a guarantee from my God that one way or another, 644 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,280 whether through hardship, whether through whatever, like 645 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,240 he is going to make this worth this. 646 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,440 Not not that like, you know, the world can make it worth it, but 647 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,440 he is going to make it worth it for me, you know, and I have to 648 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,000 be able to trust him in that. And so like, yeah, that is like 649 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,840 on my body for the rest of my life. 650 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,560 And that's how personal that is to me. 651 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,840 And I didn't share that yesterday, but it's true. 652 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,960 Like that's incredibly personal to me because it's not just me 653 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,040 too. Like there have been other 654 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,640 people who I've known, who I've cared about a lot, who they just 655 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,800 go somewhere else because that's where God is leaving them. 656 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,720 And, and that's really difficult. 657 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,720 And I don't think we have to downplay the difficulty of that. 658 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,200 We can lean into that a little bit and say, yeah, this is 659 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,080 really hard. But again, kind of like what I 660 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,000 was saying yesterday, like to whatever degree that we can 661 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560 believe that God has a plan for us and even when it's 662 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,280 uncomfortable, he'll do it then, then what do we have to fear? 663 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,880 What do we have to worry about? He's got our, he's got our backs 664 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,960 and he knows what's best for us. And even if we can't see it down 665 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320 the line in 151020 years, like he knows it. 666 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,760 And so as long as we're willing to lean into that and trust him 667 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,960 in that process, we're going to be OK. 668 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,280 I mean, I can't help but think about the number of people who 669 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,920 have done way more extreme moves than my family. 670 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,480 And I have like imagine feeling called to Africa or Taiwan, you 671 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,760 know, or anywhere else in the planet that God is saying, Hey, 672 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,400 I, I need you here because I need you to speak into these 673 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,840 people's lives. I need you to make new 674 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,360 relationships. I need you to make new inroads 675 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,640 with the gospel. And if you feel that and you 676 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,040 respond to that, that I mean, come on, that's huge. 677 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,360 That's, you know, from a mile standpoint and from a distance 678 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,280 from your what you know and what you're comfortable with and your 679 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,280 family and all this kind of stuff that's way bigger. 680 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:45,600 You're going back to Luke there. Also just reminded me of Jesus's 681 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,760 words in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew chapter 6. 682 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,880 Therefore don't be anxious asking what shall we eat or what 683 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,080 shall we drink or what shall we wear? 684 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,560 For even the Gentiles seek after these things and your heavenly 685 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,600 Father knows that you need them all, but seek first the Kingdom 686 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,600 of God and his righteousness and all these things will be added 687 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,520 to you. That's that idea has since my 688 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,360 jar sermon has, I mean has been really ringing around in my 689 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,800 head. There's a there's a song that's 690 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,960 been hit on the radio all the time lately too. 691 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,720 I feel like I'm catching it every time I'm in the car. 692 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,560 The Lord will provide and it's basically those lyrics from from 693 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,480 Matthew or those verses from Matthew 6 seek first the Kingdom 694 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,440 and its treasures and everything else it will be added. 695 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,840 I know the Lord will provide like it's so backwards. 696 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:45,520 It's, it's so countercultural to what we would think, but it's 697 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,440 that, it's that first box mentality. 698 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:55,680 It's that this is the one thing this, this, this Jesus matters 699 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,920 above all. And even even those words in, in 700 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,680 Matthew 6, God knows it's not God. 701 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,040 God calls you to something and your response is, but where am I 702 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,400 going to live or what am I going to work? 703 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,680 And God's not going to be like, Oh my goodness, I didn't realize 704 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,560 you needed all these things. Had I known, I would have. 705 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,600 Had I known you needed these things in your life, I wouldn't 706 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,240 have asked you to do this. Look, that's right. 707 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:22,440 We're laughing. It's absurd. 708 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,280 It is absurd. But that's what we do, we we 709 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,720 justify it by by saying, oh, where's this going to come from? 710 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,840 Or how, how many, how am I going to care for this or, or what? 711 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,040 And and that's not the ask. The ask isn't to figure that 712 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,320 out. The ask is to seek first the 713 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,880 Kingdom and all these things will be added unto you the the 714 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920 the Lord will provide. And it's hard. 715 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,440 That's that's where, that's where faith steps in, right? 716 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,520 It's ridiculous. And anybody and anybody who 717 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,640 stepped out, I'm not even saying you have to like move away. 718 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,880 I'm just saying like just stepping outside your comfort 719 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,280 zone and saying, I man, Lord, I don't, I don't know about this, 720 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,600 but I, I know you're calling me to it. 721 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,280 So let me, let me give it a go. And that could be anything from 722 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,480 like, you know, I don't know if I should gosh. 723 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,560 And it's going to sound like I'm promoting something I don't mean 724 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,840 to, but like, I don't even know if I should volunteer for this 725 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,000 thing. I'm not I'm not sure about that. 726 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,720 Like, is that a question of? Cost, right? 727 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,080 Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. 728 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,240 Like I don't know if I can really give the time to that and 729 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,040 all this kind of stuff and am I really going to fit in? 730 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,440 Am I going to you know, or am I just going? 731 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,840 To be in November, am I going to feel good about it? 732 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,040 Is it going to fulfil me? Is it, is it going to like, and 733 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,720 that's probably not how we should enter into volunteering. 734 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,000 We should just be serving to serve. 735 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,600 But we we ask ourselves those cost questions. 736 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,000 We do, we do. And God is always there on the 737 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,120 other side saying oh come on, you know I got this right. 738 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,040 Come on man. Yeah, but we oh man, we we so 739 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,000 easily and I'm not perfect. I'm not claiming to be perfect 740 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,400 at it. You I know you are definitely 741 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,160 not. It's it's a struggle and it's 742 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,840 hard. I'm just relaying those 743 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,280 experience, like those experiences of how we process, 744 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,720 how we justify or even how we ask. 745 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,240 And it's really, it's all absurd. 746 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,880 We present them to God as if he didn't consider those things he 747 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440 did. And he's also said, but I don't, 748 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,360 I don't care. Not that he doesn't care, but 749 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,240 I'm not thinking about those things. 750 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,240 I'm I'm thinking about my Kingdom. 751 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:26,160 I'm thinking about these people who need to hear about my gospel 752 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,880 from you and and I'm having it like that's what he's doing. 753 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,160 And along the way, as we walk in faithful obedience to those 754 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,360 things. Yeah, OK. 755 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,400 Seek first the Kingdom and these treasures and all these others 756 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,520 will be added for who can add like you can't, you can't gain 757 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,000 more time about worrying about the cost of of things, whether 758 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,760 it's whether it's relationship, whether it's time, whether it's 759 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,800 reputation, whatever it might be for the sake of the gospel. 760 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,120 Going back to Paul's words, it's all it's all counted as loss. 761 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,880 Like my my own life. I, I consider the loss for the 762 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,080 sake of Christ, right. So wow, OK, we haven't even got. 763 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,560 No, we haven't even started that. 764 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,440 That's OK, but it brings us into kind of what I was what we were 765 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,400 talking about with the the call and discerning God's voice. 766 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,040 You bring up this contradiction right in verse 4 of chapter 21, 767 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,520 and through the Spirit they were telling Paul not to go on to 768 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,000 Jerusalem. Now remember last week he said 769 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,600 the only thing he was convinced he had to go to Jerusalem and 770 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,760 the only thing was the word of God and the Spirit like that. 771 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,800 Those were the only reasons that he would go there. 772 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,360 For he knew that everything else was a threat. 773 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,080 Everything else was was persecution and imprisonment and 774 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,360 all of that. Now we come back in chapter 21 775 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,080 and through the Spirit, the same Spirit that Paul was compelled 776 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,320 by, the disciples were telling Paul not to go on to Jerusalem. 777 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,720 How can that be? Yeah. 778 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,120 And we didn't read verses one through 6 yesterday, but it's 779 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,480 well because mostly if you check out those first 6 verses like 780 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,320 they're what you might just call travel or history kind of verses 781 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,600 primarily and then you. Get a little context. 782 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,160 Yeah, and then you get this thing stuck right in verse 4. 783 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:18,080 Now, if they're telling him that the Spirit said don't go, that's 784 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,120 a different thing. But if we read this correctly, 785 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,400 they're they're knowing through the Spirit of God exactly what 786 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,640 Paul already knows, which is man, this is not going to go 787 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,520 well for my life on earth in terms of like continuing to live 788 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,240 and be free. They're not saying the Spirit 789 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,160 said don't go. They're saying they know what 790 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,280 the Spirit says. They know that they're, they're 791 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,200 can they affirm what Paul already knows? 792 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,760 And they're saying, hey, don't do this. 793 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,800 And you know, The funny thing about Paul's farewell tour, and 794 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,080 I think you kind of coined that maybe a couple weeks ago as, as 795 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,800 we're coming into this kind of phase of the book of Acts is 796 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,640 like every turn he makes, every time he sees some friends that 797 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,520 he hasn't seen in a couple years, they're like, hey, guess 798 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,440 what? You shouldn't do that. 799 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,520 You shouldn't do that. Please don't go, Please don't do 800 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,360 that. Man, how difficult. 801 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,760 By the time we got to our text yesterday, he's probably heard 802 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,280 this from three or four different groups of like, hey, 803 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,600 man, we'd really rather not have you go to Jerusalem. 804 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,120 I mean, but, yeah, no wonder by the time he gets to these 805 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,880 people, he's like, oh, come on, guys, you know what you're doing 806 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,080 to me. Like, do you realize, like, how 807 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,320 difficult you're making this thing that has already been 808 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,920 decided by God? You're just, you're you're 809 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,800 piling this thing on, man. Like you don't, you should not 810 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,680 do that to me, that's so hurtful. 811 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,720 And so I mean, like, yeah. And, and so it's not a 812 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,640 contradiction, you know, ultimately, but the. 813 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,480 Spirit has the same understanding. 814 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,640 Of they know their. Response was why would you do 815 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,200 that? Why? 816 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,840 Why are you going to follow this? 817 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,480 Doesn't sound like this is going to be good for you. 818 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,680 And it's it's so strange. And maybe that's just this. 819 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,320 Poor guy. How, how the leader? 820 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,760 How the the example of of a follower after Christ is 821 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,200 different. They both received the same 822 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:19,520 message. Paul's heart though was and for 823 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,240 the sake of Christ. OK, I'll I'll step into the 824 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,720 threat. I'll I'll step into the 825 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:30,200 persecution. These other maybe I wanted to 826 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,280 use the word lesser. That's that's maybe harsh, but 827 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,000 OK, less mature. Can I can I say that they saw 828 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,680 they both heard the same message, right. 829 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,480 And Paul's response is OK, my God goes with me. 830 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,960 I'm good. These other ones were yeah, 831 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,440 God's going with you. But you're going to die. 832 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:53,320 So don't and it's yeah, just strikes me how they they could 833 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,480 get to the different conclusion. They could hear the same word. 834 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,720 They could hear the same explanation and purpose from 835 00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,720 God. But I have two vastly different 836 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,080 reactions to what To what he should do. 837 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,440 Well, I mean, and you know, it's it seems super obvious and I 838 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,200 can't remember if we brought this up on this show, but 839 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,200 obviously Peter, you know, once he figures out, oh, Jesus made 840 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,960 it very clear that he's got to go and die, he's like, oh, no, 841 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,480 you don't, no, you don't. To which Jesus falls up with get 842 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,760 behind me saying, yeah, you know, Jesus doesn't cry and say, 843 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,080 oh, Peter, you're breaking my heart. 844 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,960 Come on, man. He doesn't. 845 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:28,720 He's just. You know what? 846 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:29,880 You're right. I shouldn't do this. 847 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,320 You've convinced me. You convinced me, Peter. 848 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,840 And so because you've convinced me, now you get to wallow in the 849 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440 pit of hell. Congratulations for convincing 850 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,880 me not to do the thing that you need me to do. 851 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,040 Like. Yeah. 852 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,680 And And to some extent, of course, like these followers in 853 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,880 some way, not obviously at the same level of Christ who 854 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,880 forgives sins, but like they need Paul to do this because by 855 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,840 Paul doing this, if you look down the road a little bit of 856 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,920 ways and you know, if you haven't read this, I'm sorry, 857 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,520 this is kind of kind of blow this for you. 858 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,400 But like, yeah, eventually by him going to Jerusalem, he'll 859 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,880 get captured and then they're going to send him to Rome 860 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,680 because guess what he's going to claim? 861 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,600 He's going to claim his Roman citizenship, which means they 862 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,920 can't touch him and he has to go to trial in Rome. 863 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,640 And so therefore, this is really cool, man. 864 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,680 It's like a goosebumps moment when God tells Paul out of the 865 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,640 gate, you're going to preach to kings. 866 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,800 How do you think he ever preaches to a king? 867 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080 He has to go to Jerusalem and get arrested, claim his Roman 868 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,320 citizenship, and then get sent off to Rome to preach to Caesar. 869 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,200 Like that's how he gets there. It all comes through this hard 870 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,160 persecution. It doesn't come through like, 871 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,240 well, you know, I made a bunch of money and I've got all this 872 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,000 influence. Yeah, I'm at the banquet now. 873 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,480 And so there's Caesar. Let me tell Caesar about Jesus. 874 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,080 No, it's going to come through persecution and hardship. 875 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,240 And Paul knew that the entire way, man. 876 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,520 It's amazing. It's amazing. 877 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,440 Later a few verses after this, we come upon Philip the 878 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,400 Evangelist verse verse 8 of chapter 21. 879 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,680 And this is the same the the aforementioned Philip and the 880 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,400 Ethiopian. This is now so 13 chapters in 881 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,280 Acts after that story. And it's been like 20 years. 882 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,960 2025 years somewhere in the timeline there of Phillips 883 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,400 experience with the Ethiopian now labeled as Philip the 884 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,360 evangelist subtext one of the seven stayed with him. 885 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:39,000 So this is another sort of big meet up here, kind of a farewell 886 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,880 tour moment of Paul checking in on one of the ones who has 887 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,840 faithfully followed, right? He last week we were in Ephesus, 888 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,600 the the seeds that he sowed there, leaving Timothy and the 889 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,000 elders in the word of God and, and his grace and his spirit 890 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,240 there. And now we have Philip and 891 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,880 Caesarea. We're told that he has four 892 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:07,000 dollars, $4.00, four daughters, four daughters who all had the 893 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,040 gift of prophecy, who all prophesied. 894 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,680 And we get to see this picture again, kind of just the family 895 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,200 tree, I guess of, of discipleship that's trickle down 896 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,560 from Paul, from the early church now into the next generation of, 897 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,920 of this disciples family. Yeah, it's, it's a really neat 898 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,640 thing. And if you want to do, there's 899 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,280 not a lot of research that can be done on his daughters. 900 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,160 There's not a lot, there's really no writing about them 901 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,960 outside of this moment. But what we do know, of course, 902 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,240 is that it just means that they were unmarried, but it also 903 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,280 means that man, God had touched that family in a really special 904 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,960 and unique way. And they had the word of God all 905 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,840 over their mouths like they knew it. 906 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,800 And they were willing and ready to speak in in the environments 907 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,480 that they were clearly asked to speak into. 908 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,800 Now, one of the interesting things that commentators talk 909 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,800 about is like, so Luke notes the fact that they have this gift of 910 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,840 prophecy, but they're not the ones who prophecy in this 911 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,000 moment. It's this guy Agabus who comes 912 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,480 along, who we actually, we saw him earlier in Acts 11, but he's 913 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,960 the one who comes along and he gives this really crazy visual 914 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,600 illustration. And I mentioned it yesterday. 915 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,000 I didn't think about it, but like, OK, so I mentioned I 916 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,360 practice kind of binding myself just in case I wanted to do it 917 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,960 on stage. That was one of those things 918 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,720 too, where it's like, I don't know if I'm going to do this or 919 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,360 not. I guess I have to decide in the 920 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,440 moment. I'm not going to plan this part. 921 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,800 I just ultimately I decided not to. 922 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,240 I had several people go like, aw, dude, you should have done 923 00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:48,000 it. Well, but here's The funny 924 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,160 thing. So as I was practicing doing 925 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,960 this in my office, I did have this thought as I'm bent over my 926 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,120 chair and I'm, you know, bound. I was like, what if somebody 927 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,640 walks in right now? He just walks in and I'm bent 928 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,880 over my chair with my belt around my my feet and my hands. 929 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,120 So it'd have been like, oh man, you're into some. 930 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,440 I don't know what you're doing, bastard Chris, but like, I'll 931 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,800 just leave a. Person would never visit you 932 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,880 for. All time ever again, Yeah. 933 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,800 So by the way, if you ever come in and I'm by myself and you 934 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,040 know, apparently if I'm bound, I, I hope you don't find that 935 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,360 too strange because that totally could have happened last week. 936 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,800 Which is what happens when I leave town. 937 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,200 Good, good. Trying to tie yourself up in the 938 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,760 office? It was a weird moment. 939 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,880 It was a weird moment. And I was like, I don't know, 940 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,640 can I actually do this? You know, I don't know. 941 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,480 Anyway. Oh, my goodness. 942 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,840 So this is. Yeah, he prophesied about a 943 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,640 great famine back in Acts 11, right. 944 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,760 And here we have you. You talked about the the other 945 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:58,240 message that he proclaims here, right, let the will of the Lord 946 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,720 be done. That's still the conclusion 947 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,600 here, right. Verse 14 brings out and after 948 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,160 these days we got ready and went up to Jerusalem. 949 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,360 So that's still after all this, the threat is reiterated. 950 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,240 We have these figures from from the past and and from I mean, 951 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,880 not the past. They're they're still in the 952 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,800 present, but that Paul has already like sowed seeds and 953 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,840 encouraged and discipled these believers. 954 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,920 And now the conclusion is it's it's reinforced for Paul, right? 955 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,120 He had he has this other response that isn't a we hear, 956 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,200 we hear the Lord loud and clear. Don't do that. 957 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,720 Now it's a Nope. This is this is affirmation. 958 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,040 This is on the same page. Yes, you're right that there is 959 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,480 threat. Yes, you're right that there's 960 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,120 Vadnais for you, but it's fulfilling the plan that God has 961 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,680 for you, and it's still keeping Christ first. 962 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,840 Yep. And that's the that's the only 963 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,760 response we should give. Now, I don't think again, if you 964 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,280 go back, I don't think it's wrong for people to care deeply 965 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,680 about Paul and to say, hey, like, you know, they would. 966 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,720 Yeah. I mean, if they were just like 967 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,640 if, if I mean, think about this other scenario, if Paul came 968 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,000 along and said, well, I think I need to go to Jerusalem and I'm 969 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,160 pretty sure they're going to arrest me and maybe kill me and, 970 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,080 and all this kind of stuff. And they were like, oh cool bro. 971 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,440 See you later. That would have been terrible, 972 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,800 right? So, you know, I mean, they 973 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,920 responded appropriately knowing that like, man, no, we love this 974 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,440 guy like he is. He's not just been useful to us 975 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,640 as a human being, but like, no, we, we love this man like he is 976 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,560 one of our brothers. And like, we don't want to see 977 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,320 him go through this. But at the end of the day, 978 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,920 proverbial or otherwise, that should always be our response. 979 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,640 Let the will of God be done. Because I mean, think about it 980 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,160 like I brought it up yesterday, like Jesus Christ in the in the 981 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,720 garden. He didn't want to die. 982 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,800 There was nothing in him that was like, Oh, I can't wait to 983 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,640 take on the cross. But OK, your will be done. 984 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,320 You know, and, and we hear that all over God's word by his 985 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,960 faithful people who they look at danger, they look at threat, 986 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,360 they look at maybe loss of finances or loss of 987 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,120 relationship. And they looked at in the face 988 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,200 and they say, you know what, This relationship, this moving 989 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,760 the gospel forward is absolutely worth it. 990 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,840 Yeah, absolutely. And that's that's the response I 991 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,640 think we ultimately would hope to see as conflicting as it is. 992 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:33,080 And it seems like there's no win here really. 993 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,720 Because yes, Paul's asking them why are you, why are you 994 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:39,200 responding like this? Well, it's it's because they 995 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,000 care for him and he ultimately, I think would want them to care 996 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,080 for him. But even in that moment, he 997 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,000 wants them to realize this is greater even than your 998 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,800 relationship with me, right? This is this is this is carrying 999 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,400 this out. So I don't know. 1000 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,680 I don't know if there's a way, a perfect way for it to come 1001 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,240 about, but we hear some of the struggle, we hear some of the 1002 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,640 the relationship there and, and ultimately that's good that 1003 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,960 they're caring about that, about him. 1004 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,800 Yeah, Now one of the things that I didn't get to talk about 1005 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,320 yesterday, and this will kind of probably bring us to the end of 1006 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,600 this show too. OK, so I didn't get to talk 1007 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,520 about the fact that James, so the half brother of Jesus and 1008 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,120 the other elders who were there with Paul right before he's 1009 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:29,240 going to actually go into Jerusalem, they say we've got 1010 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:33,280 thousands of believers. OK, don't misread that. 1011 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,720 Like he is actually saying there are thousands of people who have 1012 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:42,240 received the name of Jesus Christ for their salvation, but 1013 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,160 they are so zealous for the law. Like we're not talking about 1014 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,440 just the Pharisees and whoever who like persecuted Jesus in the 1015 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,560 1st place. Like they are talking about 1016 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,160 people who hear Jesus and say, Yep, but they also take their 1017 00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:02,080 Jewish customs and their law and they hold that at clearly in 1018 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,240 unhealthy, in unhealthy high level. 1019 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:08,880 And so, you know, they're not, they're not because here's the 1020 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,000 thing that you have to catch, you have to catch. 1021 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,240 They're not mad that Paul is preaching Jesus. 1022 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,800 They're mad that they think Paul has said, you know what, throw 1023 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,440 Moses away, throw all the customs away. 1024 00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,360 And that's not what he said at all. 1025 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,120 What we're really getting to here is we're getting that OK, 1026 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,880 so if you were a non Jew at this time in history and you wanted 1027 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,840 to become Jewish, OK, there's a way to do that. 1028 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,280 But you're going to go through all the customs and you're going 1029 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,840 to go through all this stuff and then you know, but we will graft 1030 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,040 you in is the way the Bible might say that. 1031 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:50,440 Well, Paul having been hanging out primarily with non Jewish 1032 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,200 people for the last 20 years, you know, he's gone through 1033 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,560 country after country and he's been working on, hey, how do I 1034 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,920 bring them Jesus? Well, Paul realizes that they 1035 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,880 don't need to follow every Jewish custom in order to 1036 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,560 believe in Jesus. And those in Jerusalem who do, 1037 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,400 at least on the surface, speak the name of Jesus, they're also 1038 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,120 still holding Moses and the customs maybe above Jesus. 1039 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,320 And so, yeah, you don't. You don't hear about them upset 1040 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,320 about Jesus being proclaimed. You hear about them upset 1041 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,680 because their customs are being ignored. 1042 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,760 And that's wrong. That's a problem. 1043 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,640 And that's where even today we have this tension and it's 1044 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,360 really why, it's why there's different denominations of even 1045 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,560 of Christianity, Lutheran and Baptist and Presbyterian and all 1046 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:45,880 the, all the other facets. At some point or another, there 1047 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:51,920 were lines of thought that put a custom or a tradition or or a 1048 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,440 value above the important things, right? 1049 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:02,600 Like it's what we see here that obviously you don't need to 1050 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,400 become Jewish to be a Christian, right? 1051 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,960 Like that's at no point did Jesus come and proclaim that. 1052 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,560 At no point is Paul suggesting that it's more of a more of a 1053 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,680 cultural thing, but they're holding it as you can't. 1054 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,120 We're better Christians because we're all so Jewish, right Like 1055 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,120 that. That's what's coming out here. 1056 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,200 And to some degree that's the that's the factions among among 1057 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,400 denominations sometimes is we're better Christians because we're 1058 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,040 Baptist or we're better Christians because we're 1059 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,840 Lutherans or we're better Christians because we're non 1060 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,760 denominational, which. Yeah, all you guys fighting over 1061 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,080 these silly things. We don't have a name at all. 1062 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,520 Right. So we, we see that played out 1063 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,000 and it's really it's, it's sad a little bit that history does 1064 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,280 repeat itself, that the brokenness of humanity is just 1065 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,960 the same as as it was 2000 years ago. 1066 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:03,320 But that's why I can't, I don't want to just be patting 1067 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,520 ourselves on the back all, all the time here. 1068 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,960 But I think we do earnestly try to keep the main thing, the main 1069 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,960 thing, the the non salvific issues like this, like, like 1070 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,520 whether or not we're following a tradition from who knows where 1071 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,600 or who knows when or, or this. We don't really have like a 1072 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,120 cultural custom. I don't think that we're that 1073 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,920 we're trying to adhere to it. That's something that you have 1074 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,920 to conform to, to be quote UN quote, part of our club. 1075 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,880 I mean, we try to make this a club at all at all really. 1076 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:44,840 But I think that is of utmost importance in a church community 1077 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,800 to keep the main things that we should, we should not have 1078 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,800 markers of custom or tradition that set us apart. 1079 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,680 We should be set apart in the word of God. 1080 00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,600 We should, we should hold to and maintain that there shouldn't be 1081 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,400 extra things that we have to add to that in order to become 1082 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,040 attractional, in order to become appealing to the world around 1083 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,320 us, that it's not natural for the word of God to be appealing 1084 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,040 to the world around us, right? Like that's. 1085 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,240 That's not that's not how it is. We don't desire the things of 1086 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,040 God in in our brokenness, right? That's true. 1087 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,160 I was, you know what, honestly, I was, I've been so encouraged 1088 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,320 by, well, I'll just call them the Saints. 1089 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,440 I've been so encouraged by the Saints here who I know who you 1090 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,960 know what, quite honestly, if they're being really transparent 1091 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,480 and I've heard them, they've, they've been honest with me and 1092 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,720 they've said, you know what, man? 1093 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,000 Would, would, would I like it if we were singing traditional 1094 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,200 hymns? Sure, I would. 1095 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,160 I would. That would be great for me 1096 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,760 because that's the music I grew up with. 1097 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,720 That's that's the custom with which we did worship when I was 1098 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,040 in my 20s, thirties, 40s. Well, now these, some of these, 1099 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:02,040 some of our good friends are 7080 years old and they look at 1100 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,280 the quote UN quote customs of how we do worship now on a 1101 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,920 Sunday. And maybe it's not their ideal, 1102 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,980 but they see that because they've allowed the quote UN 1103 01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:16,360 quote custom to change inside their church on any given Sunday 1104 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,480 and it still fits the gospel. But because they've allowed that 1105 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,800 to change without squabbling, without trying to throw a fit 1106 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,080 about, hey, you got to keep doing it this way because, 1107 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,280 because, because of that, they've seen their church over 1108 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,280 the last 40 something years continue to grow and expand and 1109 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,880 meet people right where they are with the name of Jesus Christ. 1110 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,520 And so that's, that's what it is, right? 1111 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,840 Like if you keep the main thing, the main thing, which is the 1112 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:47,640 gospel of Jesus Christ, these customs, these behaviors are 1113 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,040 habits. As that word is defined, those 1114 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,520 things are allowed to change and shift a little bit. 1115 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,960 As long as the gospel, the Word of God is still at the center of 1116 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,520 everything we do, and we're still honestly preaching and 1117 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,320 teaching that as it sits. We're not changing it. 1118 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,560 We're not altering it. This is what it is. 1119 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,000 The other customs can flex, but that doesn't change. 1120 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,000 And so I'm so thankful for our Saints here who have allowed 1121 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,080 that and who haven't thrown a fit because I have been in other 1122 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,440 places. And I think, oh, my goodness. 1123 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,360 You know, we joke about, oh, you can't change the carpet color 1124 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,720 without an argument. And, you know, we, we throw that 1125 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,680 around. But like, that's real. 1126 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,960 That happens in places. And so I'm so incredibly 1127 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,720 thankful that we have not had those arguments here. 1128 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,320 Yeah. So that's Acts 21. 1129 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,160 If you haven't caught the sermon from Pastor Chris, you can check 1130 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,840 that out on the ERC Sundays podcast feed as well. 1131 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,240 Let us know about your ideal concert line. 1132 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,240 Oh, that was great. Earlier part of the discussion 1133 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,800 from the first part of this episode. 1134 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,960 And we'll be back. You've got Part 2. 1135 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,960 Sermon Part 2. This message, yeah. 1136 01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,960 It's absolutely Part 2. The story just continues right 1137 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,760 where we left off and I and I did, I did promo this. 1138 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,320 We have to talk about how do we deal with the fear that's 1139 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,000 involved with following the Holy Spirit. 1140 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,960 And I didn't really touch on that yesterday, but there is a 1141 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,440 practical way to deal with that and we are definitely getting 1142 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,680 into that this upcoming Sunday. OK, that sounds great. 1143 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,880 Part 2 of this sermon this Sunday, the 27th. 1144 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,560 We'd encourage you to come out This Saturday the 26th. 1145 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,120 Worship Ministry Band is playing at the Bix. 1146 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,040 It's 100 Kirkland Blvd. The main Salvation Army office 1147 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,120 down there will be lifting up the name of Jesus for close to 1148 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,600 three hours there 8:00 to 11:00 Saturday morning, 100 Kirkland 1149 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,720 Blvd. there in Davenport. Come on out and enjoy some time 1150 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,360 with some people from your church community here and some 1151 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,520 good songs and encouraging the runners on SO. 1152 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,840 It's going to be a great time. I went last year again. 1153 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,400 I can't play an instrument sing to save my life, but man it is a 1154 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,560 ton of fun. Yeah, it'll be a great day. 1155 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,520 So hope you come out and join us for that. 1156 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,520 Until then, have a blessed week Church.