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Happy Monday. 
We're back in at the ARC 

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Leftovers Podcast. 
I'm Pastor Matt. 

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Pastor Chris. 
And Kristen? 

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And Kristen, yay, 3 Musketeers 
back together again. 

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Last time I saw you guys was 
yesterday, yeah. 

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Well. 
It's been a while. 

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We're back for more. 
So yeah, we, oh, man, there's a 

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lot of stuff. 
Oh, holy night, movie night on 

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Friday, Christmas caroling on 
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Had Sunday morning gathering as 
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Do you feel different? 
Let me ask you, like my weekends

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are very different based on 
whether or not I'm preaching. 

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Do you, do you feel that or is 
Sunday or else Sunday's the same

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for you? 
No, I, I, I think you're pretty 

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much spot on in that. 
So for example, I keep a pretty 

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hard and fast rule about 
Saturday nights about, you know,

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leaving whatever I'm doing by 
8:30. 

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But that rule is more hard and 
fast and, and unmovable when it 

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comes to preaching weekend. 
Whereas like this last Saturday 

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night, like OK, so I know going 
into Sunday, you know, we're 

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going to be looking at Daniel 
and some Revelation Y kind of 

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things in Bible study, but I'm 
already prepped for that. 

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And we've got a great group of 
people who love to just dive 

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deep and dig into it. 
And some of them are reading way

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ahead of time so they can talk 
about that. 

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But you know, so I was out till 
I think the Bears game didn't 

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wrap up till like, I don't know,
10/15, 10:30. 10:30 Almost. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So I mean, I stayed out and 

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watched that because, well, you 
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against the Packers and that 
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So really did it really did. 
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So on on non preaching weekends 
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little bit more relaxed with my 
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need to get home. 
Sure, but like coming. 

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So I'm more thinking of coming 
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Like, did Sundays feel different
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Like after the fact, because my 
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different based on whether or 
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And I think it's just the 
preacher problem really, that 

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there's just, I mean, people 
don't come up to me and talk to 

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me about your sermon, right? 
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Maybe they should be bad. 
Like Chris was really on one 

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today. 
You might want to rein that guy 

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in. 
Right, but like they, they don't

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usually come up to me and be 
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this and I took that away and 
that and that just like like the

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preacher usually receives those 
comments, right. 

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So I don't know, just for, and 
not that it's like good or bad 

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one way or the other, but for 
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preach, Sunday lingers into the 
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I feel like I guess church does.
That's real. 

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Absolutely. 
More than when I'm not 

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preaching. 
So, well, because you got up on 

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stage and you said all of the 
things and, you know, no doubt 

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God's word does not return void.
So it made its necessary impact 

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on people's minds and their 
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And so I mean, yeah, that's 
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forward. 
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different level of 
responsibility with that when 

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you come out of the sanctuary 
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with people. 
So yeah, there's definitely more

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to it. 
Yeah, so yesterday I was talking

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a lot about gift giving in our 
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gift of Jesus that we have just 
to receive this time of year. 

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Today's episode is going to be 
we're just doing a little 

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holiday fun. 
We're just going to talk about 

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stuff today, some life, some 
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some theological stuff. 
I can say that word, but but 

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before we get there, as we enter
into it, kind of segwaying from 

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the gift sermon from yesterday, 
you can catch that in the 

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podcast feed just before this on
Isaiah 49. 

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But as we enter into it, 
thinking about what is the 

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favorite Christmas gift that you
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way back to childhood. 
You, you guys have some more 

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adulthood than I do, but like 
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you had to have and that you 
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Kristen, you go first. 
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Yeah. 
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No, I'm ready for that one. 
OK, All right, so I was a Barbie

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kid, really. 
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I wouldn't have guessed that I. 
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All the Barbies, it was an 
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And so the year that I got the 
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A-frame. 
Girls will know this. 

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It was an A-frame and it came in
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And it was the same year that 
Malibu Barbie came out and she 

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had the longest hair to date. 
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the A-frame house and Malibu 
Barbie with the longest tear 

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ever. 
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Can I ask what grade that was do
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Third maybe? 
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I guess. 
I think I still have Ninja 

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Turtles and 3rd and was still. 
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oh, this was way past grades, 
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I was, I was hoping you were 
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So then I could I could just, 
you know, back she. 

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Was 23. 
It was a couple years ago. 

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Make fun of you. 
Now I would have to put it 

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together. 
That would be the the downside. 

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Yeah, No, my dad, it was one of 
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all morning, put the thing 
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and furniture. 
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It took them all day. 
It was one of those fun like dad

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memories. 
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That was definitely the 
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feel like present given to this 
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whatever we've gotten meaningful
good gifts, but that was the 

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most time consuming the like 
five years ago, 3 tier, 4 foot 

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tall, 4 foot wide dollhouse for 
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That was that was the most 
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And of course it was Christmas 
Eve was assembling the thing for

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sure. 
It didn't do it a day before 

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that. 
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Why would you? 
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Christmas where Transformers, 
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thing. 
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first time they'd ever done it. 
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and they combined to make one 
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And there is somebody in our 
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and I am insanely jealous. 
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Like they have the original 
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jealous of it. 
I wish I'd kept mine because 

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even today I'm like, if somebody
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pretty hyped. 
And you know, and I'm not, I 

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don't know. 
I so yeah, that between that or 

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look this one up, if you don't 
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pet monster. 
Yes, I got a my pet monster one 

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year and I held on to that thing
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I loved my pet monster. 
They were so. 

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Ugly. 
Oh, he was ugly as sin. 

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But it was just a cool thing for
about a year or two and I got a 

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my pet monster. 
He's about 3 foot tall, and he 

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came with little chains on his 
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They even made, like, a movie. 
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in Bettendorf because they made 
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And my pet monster was so cool. 
OK, show Matt the picture of my 

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pet monster. 
He is so ugly. 

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What? 
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Yeah. 
It's an ugly stuffy basically. 

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And it's about 3 foot tall. 
And yeah, he was awesome. 

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Wow. 8086. 
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That was, yeah. 
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Yep, my pet monster. 
Awesome year, man, Awesome year.

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This probably sounds bad for if 
my parents are listening, but I,

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I don't have like an iconic gift
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from my childhood and if I got 
that for OK, the thing that 

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comes to mind, I have this, I 
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Falcon that's about like it's 
like 3 feet big because I, I was

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a Star Wars kid. 
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$7.00 in from whatever 
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birthday, would it like we were 
going to target and buying an 

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action figure like I, I had and 
still do. 

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Actually, I have about 30 of 
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that are like 2530 years old. 
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remember, this is this is like 
pre this is when they only the 

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original trilogy is out and 
they're still going strong in 

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the 90s making these action 
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them while like episode 1-2 and 
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But this is this is before that.
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original trilogy. 
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in the tunic, but then I had 
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black leather and then I had 
like Hoth Luke in the in the 

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snow stuff and and all these 
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So I think I got this for 
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plastic Millennium Falcon and 
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and all the figures could fit in
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So like you could make this 
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but it had the landing gear on 
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you could put Han and Chewie in 
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on it. 
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sounds. 
I still have, I should show this

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to you guys because it's like 
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right now. 
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it. 
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like that was, I did get that 
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That was at my grandma's house 
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there. 
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idea. 
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generation of that, I grew up in
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awesome cartoons and so many 
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that recently. 
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your kids have right now that 
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Are there any that are going to 
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Are there any cool toys that 25 
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cool or they'll be awesome 
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Or do you think anything like 
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Are we still going to be talking
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Like what are we doing? 
I think that's possible because 

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there's still, we still have 
like wooden trains with like 

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Thomas the train and that's my 
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of that in the past couple 
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And that was something that I 
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So like magnetiles, but I feel 
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error specific. 
That's just something that 

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happened to come out in like 
that's just a fun learning toy 

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that I think could definitely 
still like Lincoln locks like I 

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feel like maybe are less 
prevalent now, but still, I 

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don't know. 
I feel like that's not 

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necessarily maybe a societal 
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could be. 
I don't. 

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I don't know if Bluey is still 
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from now because, like, my kids 
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Yeah. 
So there could be there could be

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something else that captures 
their attention there. 

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But yeah, like Thomas, the train
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I wonder about Paw Patrol for. 
Maybe. 

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Longevity's sake cause like 
power, Power Rangers hung out 

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for for generations. 
Right, Pokémon's been around for

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a. 
Couple generations Pokémon could

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have staying power yeah yeah, I 
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think there's a difference in 
toys, mate, like because the the

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wooden train sort of thing like 
I feel like that could just be 

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timeless that that could 
continue on Magnetiles. 

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I guess character wise, yeah, I 
think I think I'd bank on Paw 

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Patrol or I could see Bluey, but
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they're kind of done producing 
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They're talking about making a 
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are kind of done for now. 
I just don't know how long 

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they're going to keep doing it 
because Power Rangers kept 

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producing stuff. 
Sesame Street even kept 

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producing stuff. 
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. 
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another movie soon. 
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And that's been around for 35 
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Right. 
Yeah, so. 

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I just wonder if anything 
currently has good staying power

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like what we had because I mean,
I, I look back and sure, my pet 

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monster didn't hold on for more 
than a couple years, 

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unfortunately. 
However, I just think like we 

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had the great benefit of having 
so many things that lasted for 

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so long, whether it's Ninja 
Turtles or even like Looney 

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Tunes. 
Looney Tunes was the thing when 

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my mom was a kid, still a thing 
when I was a kid. 

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It went for a really long time. 
And so I just wonder if anything

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today has that kind of staying 
power. 

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There's also the throwback 
factor to like. 

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I could see Bluey being like 
throwback later like they bring 

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it back. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

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Well, companies are smart. 
They'll they'll sell you your 

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childhood a second time. 
Absolutely, which is what has 

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happened with like He man and 
certain other things, like we'll

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sell you your childhood now that
you have money. 

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Sure. 
Or even Marvel. 

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I mean, what started as comic 
books now brought to like 

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brought to the screen, right. 
And just, I mean essentially 

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retread and read retold in a 
different format. 

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But yeah, yeah, what about 
something? 

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Was it, was there a gift that 
you never got that you were 

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convinced you had to have and 
you ultimately didn't? 

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I'll, I'll go 1st and give you 
guys a second because I don't 

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regret it at all. 
But I also never got it. 

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And maybe, maybe after you guys.
Well, you wouldn't, you wouldn't

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have been young enough. 10 year 
gap. 

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But digipets like the little the
little. 

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Tamagotchis. 
Yeah, yeah, yes. 

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I never got one. 
I'm so sorry for that. 

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My parents, I had one I. 
Mean. 

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We were in. 
Were we in high school or 

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college? 
Oh, I think it was. 

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Early, right? 
That's what I'm saying. 

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Like yeah, I was age 
appropriate. 

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I would have bought it myself, 
you know. 

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I think I do remember like, you 
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year people walking around the 
halls like, oh, like they're 

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making excuse to go to the 
bathroom because they're a 

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little digital pet needs to be 
fed right now. 

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Yeah, No, I, I, I remember that.
I think that was probably like 

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late middle school. 
OK, I never got one. 

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I know we had one. 
And I know, I know there was a 

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time that I wanted one of my 
parents. 

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And I feel like my parents was 
like, no, that's stupid. 

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And that's why I like looking 
back on it now, like, yeah, 

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you're right. 
That was dumb. 

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I didn't need that. 
Well, and I would not buy one 

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for my kids. 
It's a. 

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Digital. 
I almost bought one a couple 

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years ago. 
Did you? 

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Yeah. 
Based on their track record that

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that digital pet is going to 
die, like there's no, that's 

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like, no, no. 
No. 

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Do you think it would just be 
more tears in your house? 

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Yeah, I do. 
I. 

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Do I think we're just setting up
for more pain? 

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They just waterfall. 
All of them die one after 

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another. 
Yeah. 

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OK, well, I'm sorry about that. 
The one thing I wanted, you guys

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wouldn't want this. 
I never got an American Girl 

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doll. 
Oh. 

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Yeah, You know, you got the 
catalog and you would flip 

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through it. 
And I wanted because I'm 

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Kristen. 
I wanted Kirsten. 

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Oh. 
Yeah. 

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You're way too entertained by 
that. 

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Oh my. 
God, I wanted Kirsten. 

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Come on. 
I heard a funny thing. 

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Maybe it's I think it's made its
way through social media. 

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Apparently American Girl dolls, 
they made their first, their 

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first doll. 
Who? 

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Who's hearing impaired, who's 
deaf? 

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And then the joke. 
And then the joke is, wait, the 

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other ones can hear you. 
Yes, there we go. 

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It took us about 11 minutes, but
we got there all right. 

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All right, time to hit the reset
button 11 minutes in. 

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They can hear you. 
I can't believe it. 

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This poor one can't, but the 
other ones can. 

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I love it. 
That so I I get that and that 

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this was this was the year of 
the American girl doll for all 

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for all. 
All four of our girls have have 

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a doll now, but they are that 
came with the purging of all 

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other dolls. 
They have Barbies, but like the 

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sort of like baby doll cradle 
ones. 

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All those dolls are gone from 
our house. 

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Now they have their American 
Girl doll and that's it. 

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Yep. 
Quality over quantity, yeah. 

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Yep. 
And there's a difference, just 

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so you know. 
Oh, yeah. 

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And actually, there's a 
difference between the American 

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do American Girl dolls and the 
classics too. 

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Really. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
There's a there's a quality 

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difference and a price 
difference. 

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Actually, you can, yeah. 
Oh, you don't have to worry. 

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About any of that. 
No, well, not until if if I have

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to worry about that, but oh 
gosh, you have. 

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To worry about that for Izzy we 
have some maybe some other 

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questions we're. 
Talking about it's true, 21 

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would be a strange age to be 
getting. 

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Into relapse and the man. 
No, I actually, you, you asked 

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that question and maybe it's 
poor memory, but actually I, I 

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cannot recall anything where I 
was just so enamored by it and 

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it didn't happen. 
Well, because so for example, 

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well, in some ways, in some 
ways, like, so for example, I 

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mean, like my, my households 
that I grew up in, divorced 

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parents, like we always had 
video game systems like that was

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always a premium for us. 
And, you know, growing up in the

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80s and 90s and stuff like, man,
that was kind of everything to 

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the guys I grew up around. 
Like, Oh no, do you have the 

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PlayStation? 
Do you have the Nintendo this or

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the Sega that? 
And we always had those things 

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around. 
And so, yeah, I would say that. 

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So it wasn't hard to please you 
like that. 

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No, no, I don't think so. 
I mean, like the only thing 

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that's difficult about that is 
there's one TV and four of us, 

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like now we're taking turns and 
we're fighting over, no, you've 

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been on for 31 minutes, not 30. 
You have to end your game right 

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now. 
And then my older brothers are 

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super angry with me because 
like, dude, you can't just save 

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any time on a Sega or an intent.
Like, no man, there's a specific

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like you have to get X far, 
otherwise you just lost the last

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half hour of your life and you 
have to redo it all. 

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So that was the only drama, but 
I don't recall ever. 

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Yeah, very fortunate. 
Blessed. 

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Hashtag blessed. 
Free. 

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Blessed. 
I think that just means we're 

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brats, man. 
I was like, I had a Barbie 

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empire. 
I was like, yeah, but I've never

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gotten there. 
It could go doll. 

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I'm sure there was some, like 
specific Nintendo games that I 

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always really wanted, but that 
was also back in the day where 

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you had Blockbuster, so you 
could just go rent it, Yeah. 

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I was my Yeah. 
We had a great weekend with our 

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kids. 
And I think my kids are 

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hilarious, but Clara especially,
I think I told you guys this 

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already at the top of her list 
this year was a hula hoop. 

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Like, there's that, There's that
chipmunk song that is Alvin. 

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Just. 
I just wanna like, that was 

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literally my life. 
That's all Clara wanted in the 

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world was a hula hoop. 
It's like she should have been 

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born in 19. 50 it was a good 
Hula hoops have changed they oh.

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Well, circle how does? 
It change well what Chris is 

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like, what is this square hula 
hoop you got for your child? 

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Got her a Pentagon, OK. 
You're going to have to talk me 

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through this. 
This makes no sense. 

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I think it's the internet's 
fault because we have to be able

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to order things that you can 
ship. 

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No one wants to ship a hula 
hoop. 

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So it comes in pieces. 
It's it's a six, it's a six 

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piece thing, which actually 
means it's adjustable sizes. 

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You can make it. 
There's there's five sections 

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that snap together. 
Oh, well, there's six sections, 

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but you can make it 5 or 6 and 
make it different size. 

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It's like it's thick. 
It's like high quality plastic 

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and it just snaps together. 
It sounds like you want a hula 

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hoop. 
I mean, I was impressed by the 

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construction of this. 
Yeah, it was. 

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I don't know. 
Can you go to Walmart and still 

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get a hula hoop for a dollar? 
I bet you probably can. 

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But then this was like a $12.00 
hula hoop. 

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But I don't know. 
I mean, I was, I was pretty 

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impressed. 
I thought it. 

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I thought it was the coolest 
hula hoop I've ever seen. 

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Wow. 
That's saying a lot. 

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That's a cool seen. 
A lot of hula hoops. 

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Yeah, Yeah, that's what we're 
doing. 

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I love it. 
All right, right, well, enough 

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of your shenanigans. 
Oh yeah, we're done, right? 

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Yeah, let's read it in. 
We're done with the shenanigans.

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I think we're. 
Done, Yeah. 

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All right, so for theology man. 
Oh gosh, you want? 

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To get us started, we've got a 
question How does biblical Canon

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work? 
Biblical Canon. 

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OK, well. 
That's when they take a Bible 

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and they load it into. 
Into a Canon. 

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And they fire it at your 
enemies. 

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Well, no, that actually that's 
a, that's a great question 

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because I think there's a lot 
of, there's a there, there's so 

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many extra biblical writings 
that happened in and around at 

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the time that the Bible was 
written. 

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And so there's plenty to be said
about like, well, why did you 

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leave that one out and put this 
one in? 

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One of the things that's really 
interesting if you look at 

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Lutheranism in particular, is 
that Martin Luther really 

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struggled with the book of 
James, for example. 

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So the book of James at one 
point in Martin Luther's life, I

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don't think this is where he 
necessarily ended, but at one 

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point, Martin Luther's life, he 
looks at the book of James and, 

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and he calls it the book of 
Straw. 

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Like he had, he had the greatest
like ways to just make fun of 

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stuff without being really mean 
about it. 

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But he called it a book of straw
in particular because, like, it 

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doesn't actually talk about 
Jesus explicitly as Lord and 

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Christ over all of creation and 
over individual people's lives. 

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And so he saw the book of James 
is not super helpful for 

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salvation, although helpful for 
like applicable daily living. 

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And so Martin Luther at one 
point would have tried to make 

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the argument James does not 
belong in the canonized Bible 

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because it doesn't point you to 
Christ as Lord and Savior 

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explicitly. 
And it's also, I mean, there's a

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lot, there's a lot of works 
stuff in there too, which were 

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like his Protestant attitude to 
the Catholic Church and and some

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of the deficiencies that he was 
seeing there or wanting to move 

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away from a workspace theology. 
Like that's a lot of that is in 

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James, right? 
Show me, show me a faith without

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works and I'll show you my faith
by my works, right. 

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So that makes sense that he 
would tear that down while at 

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the same time though, we we have
like Christian living 

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application out of it's kind of 
what we were talking about 

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yesterday. 
Like you have this gift now. 

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What do you do with it? 
Right. 

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And and that's to me, that's the
book of James that like, OK, now

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you live it out in this way. 
So I get that. 

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But I think there's I think 
there's facets to the faith walk

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there that that is important to 
have James in. 

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So Luther though that that makes
sense, at least where he was 

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coming from. 
Yeah, well, if you again, just 

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for being concise and giving you
a resource got questions is 

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always a good it's 99% of the 
time a really great website to 

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just ask a question and find out
and get a pretty concise answer.

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They'll, they'll state, and I 
think that's accurate, that the 

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first canonized Old Testament, 
New Testament in one kind of 

452
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single document was done around 
170 AD. 

453
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,000
And but here's here's how the 
council's around that time and 

454
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,760
before that time figured this 
out. 

455
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,760
And this is what 
gotquestions.org says. 

456
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,960
And again, I think it's, it's 
pretty accurate. 

457
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,360
The Council's followed something
similar to the following 

458
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,600
principles did to determine 
whether a New Testament book was

459
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,280
truly inspired by the Holy 
Spirit. 

460
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,600
Was the author an apostle or 
have a close connection with an 

461
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,160
apostle? 
Is the book being accepted by 

462
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,360
the body of Christ at large? 
So the larger church, the larger

463
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:07,400
believing church has to all 
recognize this one thing. 

464
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,720
Did the book contain consistency
of doctrine and orthodox 

465
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,960
teaching? 
Did the book bear evidence of 

466
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,120
high moral and spiritual values 
that would reflect the work of 

467
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:19,800
the Holy Spirit? 
Now, we, this mentions the New 

468
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,840
Testament, but you have to 
recognize that the Old Testament

469
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,160
was already in place by 170 AD. 
In fact, it's in place way 

470
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,840
earlier than that. 
And so, yeah, I, I, I don't 

471
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,320
think it was. 
I'm sure it was a process for 

472
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,040
those original councils to say, 
hey, this is in, this is out and

473
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,120
there's still some disagreement 
about with that today. 

474
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:43,600
So the, the Catholic Bible, for 
example, it's got some stuff 

475
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,600
that a Protestant Bible wouldn't
have in it that Protestantism 

476
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240
says. 
Now this is not inspired by the 

477
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,200
Holy Spirit. 
It might be good teaching, but 

478
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,160
it's not inspired by the Holy 
Spirit, doesn't point you 

479
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,800
directly to Jesus Christ as your
Lord and Savior. 

480
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,800
And so there's some things like 
that, but I would say that, you 

481
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,720
know, the canonized version that
exists today for Protestants, 

482
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,680
like it's everything that you 
would need for salvation. 

483
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,360
So that's the other question I 
think you have to answer within 

484
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,920
this is, is there enough here to
tell me about the character of 

485
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,160
God that I might believe and 
understand Now? 

486
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,120
Is it a science book is a 
biology book? 

487
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,840
Nope. 
It was never meant to be those 

488
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,240
things. 
But is it? 

489
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,760
Is it a book that points me to 
my Lord and Savior with enough 

490
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,040
information and enough 
background that can get me to 

491
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,040
that point of belief? 
Absolutely. 

492
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,480
And that loops back to Luther's 
objection then a little bit to 

493
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,720
James because it again take take
James in a vacuum by itself, 

494
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,600
right? 
You, you might be hard pressed 

495
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,560
to find like Gospel Jesus in 
that book, right without some 

496
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,720
other information, right. 
So not that we could really take

497
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,000
any part. 
Well, yeah, there are some parts

498
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560
that we could just take that 
part of the Bible and still get 

499
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,280
to that same conclusion. 
But that's that's part of the 

500
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,800
process that you're getting at 
right Like would would this 

501
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,800
contain what is necessary for 
salvation and therefore be 

502
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,680
included in the Canon, right. 
That's part of Luther's 

503
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,800
objection to James. 
Maybe couldn't take that one and

504
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,520
get to that. 
But then yeah, we have such 

505
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,160
small things of like Jude, 
apparently there's there's 

506
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,960
enough in there to get what's 
that 28 verses I think like to 

507
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,000
it's. 
Quick. 

508
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,800
It's quick. 
Yeah, to include that in, but to

509
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,160
your greater point, the, the Old
Testament, I mean, even at the 

510
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,400
time of Jesus, that was that 
Canon established, right? 

511
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,080
That that's already Jewish 
canonical. 

512
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,600
When, when they reference the 
law or the scriptures or the 

513
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,400
prophets or whatever, like 
that's there was one thing that 

514
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,080
they were well, a culmination of
things that they were referring 

515
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,880
to, but they they had agreement 
on that Canon. 

516
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:01,160
What's interesting to me and and
what tells me that they did 

517
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,720
follow some of these, some of 
these precepts and and systems. 

518
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,720
We have books excluded from from
the Protestant Bible. 

519
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,760
Like there there are additions 
to Esther. 

520
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,840
There's there's more written 
about the Ester story that isn't

521
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,680
included. 
It was kind of an addendum or 

522
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,160
the authorship was a little off 
or different. 

523
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,800
Same thing with Daniel. 
Like there's just kind of, we 

524
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,920
have more parts of that that are
just a different voice or a 

525
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,640
different. 
And that's the bigger part to 

526
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,800
me. 
Like if, if you were to go 

527
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,120
through and just some examples 
of the book of Tobit, first and 

528
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:39,520
2nd Maccabees, there's, there's 
even a Wisdom of Solomon book. 

529
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,240
Like we, we have Song of Solomon
and, and other parts of the Old 

530
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,400
Testament that we know were 
written by Solomon. 

531
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720
We have a book literally called 
Wisdom of Solomon. 

532
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,480
And there's actually authorship 
concerns because it sounds so 

533
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,320
different than the other 
verified writings of Solomon. 

534
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,400
So, so there there is. 
And if you read some of these 

535
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,040
other other books and compared 
them really I think to like the 

536
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,720
voice, the consistency, the the 
kind of divine and divinely 

537
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,080
inspired voice of God that we 
find in these other books, You 

538
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,920
could, you could tell, I think, 
I think you could tell even even

539
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,000
like the layperson, casual 
Christian, like you could put 

540
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,920
those side by side and be like, 
this is different that the 

541
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,880
voice, the tone, the authorship 
of this coming from different 

542
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,600
worlds here. 
Absolutely. 

543
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,600
Well, and The thing is, I wanted
to pick up on something you were

544
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,960
talking about that I think it's 
really, really good. 

545
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,520
You mentioned could this stand 
alone and still help me find 

546
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,760
salvation or or lead me straight
to it? 

547
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,200
So if I had nothing else except 
for the book of Romans, let's 

548
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,080
say I had none of the rest of 
the Bible. 

549
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,760
Now there would be some things 
that are confusing because he's 

550
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240
referencing Old Testament 
Scripture and some other things.

551
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,920
But like I would absolutely know
Christ as Lord and Savior if I 

552
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,720
only had Romans. 
I could say the same thing about

553
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,120
the four gospels. 
You could probably actually you 

554
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,480
could even say the same thing 
about Hebrews or some like a 

555
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,360
book like that. 
Most of the most of Paul's 

556
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,320
letters to the church, probably.
Yeah. 

557
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
And so I think like that's 
that's got to be part of the, 

558
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,680
you know, the the smell test 
too. 

559
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Like, man, does this point me to
Jesus in such a way that if I 

560
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,560
had no other document, this 
would still get me there. 

561
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Absolutely. 
And so I'm sure I have little 

562
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,440
doubt that that's part of the 
reason why some books made it 

563
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000
in, some did not. 
And that just makes good sense. 

564
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Yeah, yeah. 
And then there's also the 

565
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,160
veracity of a part of part of 
that is that the authors being 

566
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,000
close in proximity or teaching 
or mentorship to Jesus. 

567
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,280
And I think maybe James gets a 
little bit of a pass because 

568
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,360
that is that is the brother of 
Jesus. 

569
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,160
But at the same time, like known
him his whole life, literally 

570
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,160
his whole life wound up like 
also was included in the 

571
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,200
disciples was was was a 
follower. 

572
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,280
So you you'd think there'd be 
some he would understand if 

573
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,840
anyone understood right? 
Like he'd, he'd been witnessing 

574
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,120
and seeing these things and was 
brought to a conclusion that 

575
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,640
divinely led to the conclusion 
that also OK, these this 

576
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,520
application of how this is 
lived, this also matters like 

577
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,440
these these things are also 
Christian living in a, in a 

578
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,080
conclusion from this gospel 
salvation, right. 

579
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Well, and for James in 
particular, one of the reasons 

580
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,880
why I think Luther has to bend 
the knee to it is because you 

581
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,720
have to understand who he's 
writing to. 

582
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,200
So James is addressing people 
who he clearly knows, believes, 

583
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,480
understands that they are in 
fact Christ believing followers.

584
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,000
And so now he's just getting to 
the, OK, like you said, what do 

585
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,760
you do do with this now? 
And so in that way, not every 

586
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,440
single letter written by an 
apostle or disciple has to 

587
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,360
remind you, you know, of, of 
like, hey, do this in order to 

588
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,560
believe, repent, confess, you 
know, all these kinds of things.

589
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,640
You don't necessarily have to 
have that because you have to 

590
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,040
understand the context in which 
it was written in who it was 

591
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,880
written to and why it was 
written and all that kind of 

592
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,520
stuff. 
And so James, you know, still an

593
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,280
incredibly helpful book, an 
incredibly helpful writing. 

594
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,400
But you know, I, I suppose it's 
like some, some sermons, right? 

595
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Not every sermon is going to be 
the Billy Graham fall on your 

596
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,080
knees like today's. 
I mean, I guess in some way they

597
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,320
should all be a little bit of 
that. 

598
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,120
But some of them are just more 
like, Hey, this is, this is what

599
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,840
the Bible's talking about in 
this space. 

600
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,080
And so how do we apply that 
directly to our lives so that 

601
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,880
the word is is helpful and 
useful? 

602
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Yeah, yeah. 
And I think that's the other I, 

603
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,920
I am not well versed with every 
single word of the Apocrypha 

604
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,760
and, and these books that are 
excluded, but I, I am pretty 

605
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,680
convinced not, it's not like 
it's heretical. 

606
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,640
It's not like all of it is like 
completely wrong and sinful. 

607
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,960
It's just not divinely inspired,
right? 

608
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,720
It's just not like God's voice. 
It's it's like even if Wisdom of

609
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Solomon, it could be written by 
Solomon and it could be 

610
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,200
conclusions and experience that 
he has from his life, but it's 

611
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440
not like the words that God gave
him to say, right? 

612
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,560
So like it could be right and 
true and maybe even wise, but 

613
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,160
it's just not God's word. 
It's Solomon's words. 

614
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,720
Does that make sense? 
Is it Thus says thus says the 

615
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,560
Lord right, or thus? 
Says Solomon. 

616
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

617
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,840
If it's not thus says the Lord, 
then yeah, we probably don't 

618
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520
have to have it in Canon. 
Yeah, You know, and I'm sure 

619
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,600
that was I I have no doubt that 
that was part of the the process

620
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,640
of saying, yeah, well, here's a 
history book. 

621
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Here's this take, here's this 
point of view, but it doesn't 

622
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,120
lead us directly to Christ. 
And it's not thus says the Lord.

623
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,280
So therefore I'll read it, but 
we're not put in the Bible. 

624
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Yeah, and it's I mean, part of 
part of that concise lens comes 

625
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,200
down to all scriptures God 
breathed useful for teaching, of

626
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200
booking, training, correcting, 
building up in righteousness, 

627
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,320
right? 
Like that's so some of these 

628
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,720
books that are excluded maybe, 
but they're not that in in in 

629
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,680
their entirety, right? 
So then then excluded from the 

630
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Canon of scripture. 
And all that to say too, like, 

631
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,120
so take the book of Mark, for 
example, every, every like 

632
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,000
English Bible on the planet, 
almost all of them, you're going

633
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,920
to have this extra little 
section at the end of the book 

634
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,680
of Mark where it's going to 
point out and it there should be

635
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,200
some kind of context that says, 
OK, the earliest documents we 

636
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,000
have, this text isn't found in 
there. 

637
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160
OK, but then it's going to add 
it back into the Bible anyway. 

638
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,520
Well, why would they add it back
in if our earliest manuscripts 

639
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,160
don't have it? 
Well, because it is true and 

640
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
it's consistent with the other 
gospel writers. 

641
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,080
Now, did Mark, who is writing 
down Peter's story, did he, did 

642
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,720
he say those specific things? 
We don't actually know for sure,

643
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,880
but it's still in your Bible 
because we know it's consistent 

644
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,719
and it's true. 
Even if it was a slightly and it

645
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,920
would have been slightly later 
edition, it's still is 

646
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000
perfectly. 
Yeah, it lines up perfectly with

647
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,760
the other gospel writers. 
So, but I think you, you look at

648
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,360
that and you say, OK, well, I'll
take that for what it is. 

649
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,400
And, and there's no saying that 
the earliest documents that 

650
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,360
we've found, which date to like 
1st century and 2nd century, 

651
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,320
there's no saying we just 
haven't found a complete, 

652
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040
complete version of Mark's 
gospel. 

653
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,159
Maybe it was what he wrote, but 
we just haven't found that 

654
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:43,800
particular document yet. 
Sure. 

655
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,480
So yeah. 
All right, I think we covered 

656
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,920
it. 
If you have more questions about

657
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,400
biblical Canon, come talk to us.
Yeah. 

658
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,199
I think this next question, it 
kind of adds to that though in 

659
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,960
that like how do we know the 
Bible is reliable? 

660
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,320
And I think you've kind of 
touched a little on that already

661
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,760
in that decision making. 
Well, I mean, you know, one of 

662
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,080
the one of the most famous 
examples of, you know, original 

663
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,280
biblical narrative and writing 
is the Dead Sea Scrolls. 

664
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,400
That was a huge archaeological 
find that really solidified and 

665
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,280
validated our modern day Bibles.
And the other thing is, you 

666
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,160
know, it's so funny. 
So you might have a handful or 

667
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,000
less of writings about this 
Caesar or this person, and we 

668
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,120
take those as absolute truth. 
Yet we have, I think it's a 

669
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,600
little over 5000 documents 
dating back to the first and 2nd

670
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,080
century about Jesus and about 
the apostles and their writing 

671
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040
and all this kind of stuff. 
And yet we still look at that 

672
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,680
and go, yeah, but Are you sure? 
And that is such a high level of

673
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:54,320
hypocrisy that I think it it 
just, it bends itself to allow 

674
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,640
for these other historical 
figures to be viable and true. 

675
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,720
But then you have over 5000 
documents that all confirm the 

676
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,040
Bible's original writing. 
And you're like, yeah, but. 

677
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,560
And it's just super 
hypocritical. 

678
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,480
And I don't, I don't buy that 
for a second. 

679
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,440
Yeah. 
And the other part of it, I 

680
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,960
mean, it's especially in the Old
Testament. 

681
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,760
There's, there's events and, and
historical accounts that are 

682
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,080
verified by other by other 
sources that that are biblically

683
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,000
aged. 
And then any modern day 

684
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,160
archaeology really not that 
we've found and verified every 

685
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,680
single thing that has happened 
in the Bible. 

686
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,400
But what we have nothing has 
ever been found to conflict with

687
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,960
the biblical account of that 
city, that area, that mountain, 

688
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,240
that, that whatever it whatever 
it might be like it's we've 

689
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:48,680
we've verified the things that 
have happened in the Bible in in

690
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,680
these archaeological sites. 
So it just there hasn't that 

691
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,960
there's no other book or account
or historic even even from just 

692
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,320
like a practical real life, set 
the spirituality aside, even 

693
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,080
just like as a historical 
account of the world. 

694
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,040
There's nothing else like 
they're like the Bible. 

695
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,440
So it would it would hold to 
logic and reason that also the 

696
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,840
other things along the way with 
it, with the archaeological 

697
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,480
finds, OK. 
They were also being truthful 

698
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,560
about these events of these 
people and and these things that

699
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,320
happened throughout the history 
of the world. 

700
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Right. 
Yeah, well, and a couple 

701
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,600
examples. 
So one of my favorite ones is 

702
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,240
the Walls of Jericho. 
So archaeologists have found 

703
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,440
that those walls that were 
talked about in the book of 

704
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,640
Joshua, they are perfectly 
collapsed on themselves. 

705
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,120
They aren't broken. 
They aren't scattered. 

706
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,840
It is perfectly fallen on itself
exactly the way the Bible 

707
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,840
describes. 
Another fun one is Noah. 

708
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,360
I mean, so like almost every 
world religion, all the ones 

709
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,960
that have been around for a 
while, they all have some type 

710
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,600
of narrative about a worldwide 
flood that is consistent across 

711
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,480
a lot of different religions. 
Now what's also interesting 

712
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,840
about Noah and the ark is, and I
can't remember the name of the 

713
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,120
mountain. 
Maybe you guys can look it up, 

714
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,960
but there is a perfect imprint 
of where we believe the ark 

715
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,400
landed and it fits the biblical 
narrative to the exact foot of 

716
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,640
the length and, you know, breath
whatever of Noah's ark. 

717
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,560
And there's just this really 
nice perfect imprint on the side

718
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,160
of a mountain. 
And you're like, really? 

719
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,000
Is that coincidence? 
Because the Bible says that the 

720
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,200
ark is this big in this imprint,
which looks like a boat imprint 

721
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,600
is the exact same size. 
And how are you really going to 

722
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,880
argue that? 
I mean, and then the third thing

723
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,280
that you might do is you cannot 
intelligently argue that this 

724
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,040
guy named Jesus didn't live. 
You cannot make that argument. 

725
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,920
Even secular scholars will say, 
yes, there was definitely a guy,

726
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,280
Jesus and Nazareth. 
And you can also, I think 

727
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,480
unequivocally with good 
evidence, argue that Pontius 

728
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,840
Pilate, he died under Pontius 
Pilate. 

729
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,840
There's even graffiti and I 
think maybe we've shown in 

730
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,040
church once a little while back,
there's graffiti of so and so 

731
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,840
worships his God and it's Jesus 
on a cross. 

732
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,520
So this, whoever this young man 
is who is a Christian at the 

733
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,920
time, he's being made fun of for
his faith. 

734
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,760
And there's this kind of 
graffiti inscription about this 

735
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,440
kid worshiping his God, 1st 
century stuff. 

736
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,880
And so and then you go and you 
look at Jesus. 

737
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,600
Did Jesus, who we know for a 
fact lived and died under 

738
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Pontius Pilate, did he believe 
the biblical accounts? 

739
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,600
He supported them 100% all the 
way down to Jonah, all the way 

740
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,880
down to Jonah, which is a 
ridiculous, crazy story that, 

741
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,080
you know, modern day thinkers 
probably wouldn't believe. 

742
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,280
This guy was really swallowed by
a fish for three days. 

743
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600
Really. 
No, Jesus took that story 

744
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,280
incredibly literally and and he 
applied it directly. 

745
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,560
And so I think you Add all that 
stuff and there's a million 

746
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,880
other things you could talk 
about, but for the sake of 

747
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,200
brevity today, just those couple
things. 

748
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,400
I think that the biblical 
accounts there is every good 

749
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,800
logical reason, even from a 
secular point of view to say 

750
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,040
these are valid, even if I don't
believe the results of Jesus 

751
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,320
being raised from the dead now 
as the Son of God. 

752
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,280
These things you cannot argue 
against unless you just want to 

753
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,080
throw all this evidence, which 
is not fair. 

754
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Right. 
Yeah, Mount Ararat. 

755
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,000
Thank you. 
Not it's not referenced in the 

756
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,400
Bible. 
Like there isn't an actual 

757
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,440
specific landing place for for 
that name in the Bible. 

758
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,160
But that's to your point where 
that was thought to be. 

759
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,880
That's what it's called. 
Wasn't called that till about 

760
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,120
the Middle Ages, but that's 
always been a fascinating thing 

761
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:50,760
to like the ark was massive. 
Where did it go? 

762
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,560
Like what even even if it was 
wood, I guess, and I'm not an 

763
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,360
expert on the deterioration of 
wood. 

764
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,880
Maybe it was burned. 
I don't know. 

765
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,360
Maybe God just like poof, took 
the thing away. 

766
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,040
I, I don't know, he, he could 
have. 

767
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,240
But it's amazing to me that we 
haven't found any physical 

768
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,400
remnants of the ark. 
That's always just like nothing 

769
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,600
that has to mean anything or 
anything. 

770
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,920
But I just, it was so big. 
Yeah, I actually think it makes 

771
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,320
good logical sense that over a 
long enough time frame, so the 

772
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,840
family gets off the ark and 
they're kind of spreading out 

773
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,240
again. 
Well, at some point, the 

774
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,880
resources of that physical thing
become really, really important,

775
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,000
and so why not dismantle it and 
start using it for other things?

776
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120
And that makes perfect sense. 
But it clearly sat there long 

777
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,320
enough to make an impression on 
a very soft ground because 

778
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,800
again, with a worldwide flood, 
everything is just saturated. 

779
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,040
Well, this very ridiculously 
heavy boat, it sits there long 

780
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,320
enough before they start 
dismantling it or using it for 

781
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,080
whatever they used it for. 
And it made its impression. 

782
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,520
And actually, we just came out 
of the Moses series. 

783
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,480
And one of the fun things that I
learned in creating that study 

784
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,080
guide was the the top of the 
mountain that was burnt. 

785
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,400
It is solidified burnt and it's 
only at the very top. 

786
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,200
How does that happen? 
Oh, I can tell you how that 

787
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,840
happens. 
If you read the biblical account

788
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,680
of God's fire coming down on the
top of the mountain, that's 

789
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,720
exactly how that happens, 
because it was such a heat for 

790
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:20,480
such a short amount of time, but
it crystallized the top of the 

791
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,000
mountain and it's still there 
today. 

792
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,080
It's blackened. 
And that can only happen with 

793
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,200
intense heat and fire. 
Right. 

794
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,760
So, and as crazy as it sounds, 
it actually makes the most 

795
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:35,640
logical sense that it would have
been a, a divine intervention of

796
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,040
sorts that made that that's, 
that's actually the most 

797
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,840
practical way to explain it, 
right? 

798
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,000
Yeah, sometimes we just need to 
doubt our doubts and start 

799
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,240
taking the Bible literally. 
Because if we do that and then 

800
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,160
we look at what modern day 
archaeologists see, all of a 

801
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,520
sudden, like things start to 
make a lot of sense. 

802
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,400
And without the biblical 
account, these things make no 

803
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,400
sense whatsoever. 
Yeah, so. 

804
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,040
You brought up doubt. 
So we're gonna, we're gonna have

805
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,880
all these facts and we're gonna 
have what we know is true and we

806
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,080
can be logical, but is it OK to 
doubt? 

807
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,560
Who? 
I mean, we're gonna do it, but 

808
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,840
the question is, is, is it OK to
have those doubts despite all 

809
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:23,480
the facts? 
OK. 

810
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,520
Is it, is it OK? 
Sure. 

811
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,560
Yes, in a way that is not 
staying there. 

812
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,720
I get like, I wouldn't be 
comfortable rooted in doubt, I 

813
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:41,040
guess. 
Is it OK to have doubts, to have

814
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,280
questions to even? 
Is it OK? 

815
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,640
I'm hearing this question. 
Is it OK to entertain the 

816
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,320
thought? 
Has the wool truly been pulled 

817
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,320
over like about this whole 
thing? 

818
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,560
Is this whole thing a sham? 
Have it, have it? 

819
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:01,320
Has it somehow been meticulously
orchestrated for 6000 years and 

820
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,920
it just got all of us? 
There's part of me that there's 

821
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:14,200
like maybe like, OK, and I know 
that sounds crazy, but like even

822
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,480
if that's true, OK, it's then 
it's then there is nothing then 

823
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,880
then some somehow it was, it was
The Big Bang and there's nothing

824
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,920
after this life and this, 
there's nothing in this life 

825
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,200
worth living for anyway because 
there's not an afterlife. 

826
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:34,240
Like OK, no, for the other 99.99
repeating what? 

827
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:39,960
Like no, this makes the MO. 
This is the most likely thing 

828
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,480
for how we got here and for 
where we're going, right? 

829
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,560
So I don't know, I guess you 
could entertain that in in 

830
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,200
passing, but it but it would 
have to be in like the all or 

831
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,600
nothing sort of way, like not I 
I wouldn't question little 

832
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,680
aspects of it like did did God 
really, man? 

833
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:07,440
Now OK, I'm stuck thinking of a 
specific example, but I'd have 

834
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,600
to throw the whole like I I 
would only be comfortable 

835
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,480
entertaining doubt in a like 
throwing the whole thing out 

836
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,840
sort of way I guess. 
Yeah, and I think you know what,

837
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,640
there have been multiple times 
throughout the last 15 plus 

838
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,600
years, however long I've gotten 
to be a Christian. 

839
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,720
There have been multiple times 
where I'm like, man, am I am I 

840
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:29,600
just messing myself up? 
Am I wasting what could be in 

841
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,000
otherwise eat, drink and be 
merry life for for this thing 

842
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,840
that points me in a higher 
calling, you know, And so I I 

843
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,640
think those things are going to 
arise. 

844
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,920
And there's a couple ways I 
think you can snap out of it. 

845
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,720
Like, you know, you can just do 
a little research and go, you 

846
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:49,440
know what, that Walls of Jericho
thing, that's ridiculous. 

847
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,480
And that should never happen. 
And you can you can think 

848
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,400
through logically some of the 
things that we brought up even 

849
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,760
on this show today. 
But more than anything, CS Lewis

850
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,360
says it this way. 
And I thought this was really 

851
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,800
good. 
You know, for the duck who 

852
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,200
craves water, there's a pond. 
For the baby who needs and 

853
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:16,160
craves milk, there is a mother. 
You know, for for desires of 

854
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,920
intimacy, there are 
relationships. 

855
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,760
So he's going to CS Lewis is 
going to make the argument that 

856
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,520
for every human desire and want,
there's an answer. 

857
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,400
So therefore, if there is the 
human desire and want for there 

858
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,080
to be something greater than 
ourselves, there's an answer. 

859
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,640
And I think all of the best 
evidence points to Christianity 

860
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
in lieu of any other world 
religion. 

861
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,880
It points to Christianity as the
most logical and viable answer 

862
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,520
to that thing which we crave. 
And why do and why do we crave 

863
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,120
that? 
Because The thing is like, gosh,

864
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,440
if I'm a secular person and I 
have fallen in love with just 

865
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,440
the, the, the best woman in the 
world, she, she's just my entire

866
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,760
life. 
Well, as a secular person, I 

867
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,720
know at some point, either I or 
she, we're going to die And, and

868
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,400
I'm going to lose that, which 
means love dies. 

869
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,600
And maybe the greatest longing 
inside the human being, whether 

870
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,120
you're secular or not, is to be 
known, to be seen to be loved, 

871
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,080
to experience a deeper 
connection with another person 

872
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,400
or potentially even another 
being. 

873
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,240
And so the fact that that 
exists, that's not, that's not 

874
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,080
evolutionary biology, because if
it was just evolutionary 

875
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,800
biology, it would just be like, 
well, I, you know, I had enough 

876
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,880
kids to replace me and this 
person who I love who's just a 

877
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,720
random combination of cells and 
that's good enough. 

878
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,440
And, and I can die happy with 
that. 

879
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,520
But the fact that the vast, vast
majority of human beings cannot 

880
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,760
die happy knowing that it means 
that there is something else 

881
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,160
that we're chasing. 
And again, I think CS Lewis is 

882
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,160
right. 
If we're chasing it, it already 

883
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,800
exists. 
So. 

884
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Yeah, and some of you might be 
bothered by what I said a few 

885
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:09,640
minutes ago about like having 
those moments of fleeting doubt,

886
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,680
but I think I think, and please 
don't hear what I'm not saying. 

887
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,400
I, I, I still am drawn to the 
conclusion that, yeah, this is 

888
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,840
Jesus is the way the truth and 
the life. 

889
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,840
Like that's that's where my 
thought rests. 

890
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,200
But in, in those moments, and 
many of you have asked the 

891
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,840
questions of why does, why does 
God let this happen? 

892
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,440
Why, why am I, why am I here 
burying my child? 

893
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,720
Why, why, why do bad things 
happen to good people? 

894
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,960
I think, I think it's in this 
moments that like, man, you know

895
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,400
what, you know what would kind 
of make the most sense, as if 

896
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,840
none of this mattered at all. 
Like, like, like not, not in 

897
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,680
some way. 
And again, we can have a long 

898
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,720
philosophical conversation about
this, but I think it's in those 

899
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,400
moments that doubt seeps in that
we're supposed to be drawn back 

900
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,720
to, to the truth and goodness of
of the word and reassured in 

901
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:03,720
that, right, Trials, trials 
developed for the testing and 

902
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:05,160
perseverance of our faith, 
right? 

903
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,200
So. 
Yeah. 

904
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,560
And I would say honestly, like, 
again, having studied just about

905
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,800
every world religion that has 
ever mattered that you can think

906
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,800
of, Christianity is far in a 
way, it's not close. 

907
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,160
It is, is intellectually and 
archaeologically and all the 

908
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,200
other ways it is the most 
viable. 

909
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,120
So for me, if I was to, let's 
say, move away from 

910
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,520
Christianity, I guarantee it's 
this or nothing for me. 

911
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,840
If I'm not, if I'm not a 
Christian, it's all blown, 

912
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,720
right? 
Yeah, 100% because none of the 

913
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,920
other ones pass the litmus test.
There are too many 

914
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,440
inconsistencies that cannot be 
proven or have been straight out

915
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,080
disproven about these things. 
Where it's like if Christianity 

916
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,040
isn't true and right, then none 
of the other ones are either. 

917
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,520
Because Christianity has by far 
and away more resources and more

918
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,640
available proof to it than any 
of the other ones. 

919
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,000
And so, yeah, for me, if I ever,
for whatever terrible reason, 

920
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,080
doubted everything, I know all 
the science, all the facts, if 

921
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,520
for some reason I could get 
around all those things and I 

922
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,080
could doubt that enough to not 
believe in Christianity, then it

923
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,800
would be nothing at all, because
none of the other ones pass. 

924
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,320
No, they're not cohesive or 
they're not. 

925
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,480
Yeah. 
There's a fallacy ultimately 

926
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,080
where where like that even falls
short of faith because I think, 

927
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,800
I think that's of course there's
room for doubt. 

928
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,440
I think because there's, it's, 
it's in faith like that's, 

929
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,800
that's the missing link in 
Christianity is whether or not 

930
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,960
you believe it, that that's, 
that's the only delimiter. 

931
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,920
I, I, I guess in that every 
other religion is, is that plus 

932
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,120
some other things. 
You you have you have to not 

933
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:59,240
only believe it but also make 
allowance for XYZ or or just buy

934
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:03,120
into some things that just 
they're man made so they aren't 

935
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,320
rationally complete. 
Well, and of course, like, you 

936
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,400
have to, I don't think you can 
talk about doubt without talking

937
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,800
about the most famous doubter of
all time, which is our good 

938
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,880
friend Thomas. 
And Thomas who walked around and

939
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,320
saw Jesus do all these miracles 
for, you know, upwards of three 

940
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,360
years. 
You know, Jesus takes on the 

941
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:28,240
cross, dies, and his buddies who
he would have no reason not to 

942
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,480
believe them, like he's best 
friends with these guys. 

943
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,640
They say we saw Jesus alive and 
well. 

944
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,560
And he's like, yeah, but not 
until I put my fingers and his 

945
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,160
hands and his side and all this 
stuff. 

946
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,080
And you're like, Dang, man, like
you, you went really hard on 

947
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,240
that. 
And what does Jesus do? 

948
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,880
He doesn't. 
I mean, there's some level of 

949
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,760
chastisement because, all right,
Thomas, put your money where 

950
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,000
your mouth is, or rather put 
your hand where my side is. 

951
00:51:54,720 --> 00:52:00,520
So like, Jesus does allow for 
doubt and even even doubting to 

952
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,760
the point of what Peter did 
before the crucifixion. 

953
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Straight up denial. 
Yeah, Peter denies Jesus three 

954
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,560
times and Jesus still comes back
to him and says, I forgive you. 

955
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,840
There's room for you in my 
Kingdom. 

956
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,360
In fact, not only is there room 
for you in my Kingdom, there's 

957
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,120
room for you to be a leader, a 
leader who matters, who's going 

958
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,480
to actually bring other people 
into the faith that you said no 

959
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,520
to at one point. 
And so I think that's a powerful

960
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,360
part of the gospel that we have 
to take on as like when we when 

961
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,880
we have doubts and maybe we feel
bad later because God must be so

962
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,120
mad at me or he must be so upset
with me or doesn't even love me 

963
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,200
anymore. 
Am I forgiven because I kind of 

964
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,440
like turned away from him? 
Come on, look at Peter, look at 

965
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Thomas. 
Jesus loved these two men and 

966
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,360
and he loves us even in our 
doubts. 

967
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,840
It's OK to doubt. 
There it is. 

968
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,440
But let's doubt our doubts. 
Let's do that because that's 

969
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,760
smart and that will actually 
lead you down a path of research

970
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,520
and asking good questions. 
So if nothing else, doubts 

971
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,640
should just lead you to ask more
questions, and that's not a bad 

972
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,600
thing at all. 
Yeah, All right, we've got one 

973
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,280
more thing for the episode 
today. 

974
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,880
Christmas. 
We're going to get back to some 

975
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,920
Christmas talk and you guys 
discovered some clips, some 

976
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,160
reactions from Josh Howerton 
about how home alone is is a 

977
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,920
Christian Christmas movie. 
So we're going to play the clips

978
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,320
of audio for you guys to hear 
the these conclusions as as Josh

979
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Howerton. 
He's a he's a pastor. 

980
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,040
He's spoken to conferences we've
gone to and just has been a 

981
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,160
really good thinker about 
things, especially recently in 

982
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,840
modern day society. 
But this is some cool stuff. 

983
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,200
If you've never noticed it in In
Home Alone that he points out, 

984
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,160
take a listen. 
He had this post that also went 

985
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,960
viral about how Home Alone is a 
Christian movie. 

986
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,120
This is nuts. 
I can't live nerd this before. 

987
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,480
It's the the scene where Kevins 
walking into the church, right? 

988
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,120
And so I'm going to read this. 
He says, watch this scene very 

989
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,520
carefully where Kevin is drawn 
into the beauty and warmth of 

990
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,320
the church. 
As he walks inside to oh, holy 

991
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,240
night, he hears the words fall 
on your knees. 

992
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:12,800
Oh, here are the Angel voices. 
Now. 

993
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,520
Next screenshot I'm setting the 
mood. 

994
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,840
A. 
Sanctuary candle passes across 

995
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,120
the foreground indicating that 
Christ is present inside the 

996
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,360
church. 
Then next screenshot, Kevin has 

997
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,720
an encounter with a Christ 
figure. 

998
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,240
Now if if you think this is 
crazy, just stick with me for a 

999
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:29,560
second. 
Kevin has an encounter with a 

1000
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,960
Christ figure, Old Man Marley. 
Now this isn't in the post, but 

1001
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,360
I'll just point this out. 
When you first meet Old man 

1002
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,720
Marley in the movie, what's he 
doing? 

1003
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,440
He's salting the earth now. 
So check this out. 

1004
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,080
So old man Marley, Christ figure
Kevin makes a confession to him,

1005
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:48,680
then shakes his hand and we see 
a bandage on Marley's hand. 

1006
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,320
Now check this out bro, check 
this out. 

1007
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,960
It's never explained in the 
movie why his hand is wounded, 

1008
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,840
but earlier in the movie we see 
drumroll. 

1009
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,200
Go to that next one. 
Go to the next one. 

1010
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,000
His hand. 
Is pierced all the way through, 

1011
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,760
so top there blood go back to 
the other one bottom blood. 

1012
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,760
His hand is pierced all the way 
through, like the nails driven 

1013
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,360
through Christ's hands on the 
cross. 

1014
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,920
At the end of the movie, Kevin 
cannot save himself from the 

1015
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,400
burglars, and so Marley appears 
again to rescue him. 

1016
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,880
Home Alone is a Christian movie.
Wow. 

1017
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,320
Wow, Home Alone is a Christian 
movie. 

1018
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,200
I had never connected any of 
these things before. 

1019
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,680
Like there's glimpses, but to 
get to this drawn out 

1020
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,040
conclusion, like really cool. 
See what I always thought? 

1021
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,840
OK, so Kevin's in the store not 
long after his parents have left

1022
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,520
him behind. 
Kevin's in the store. 

1023
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,800
And you watch him walk into the 
store, and he slaps down his 

1024
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,040
money, and he's got this bandage
over his whole hand and there's 

1025
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,160
blood. 
And I was just like, oh, I 

1026
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,200
always just thought this is 
affirming that this guy is shady

1027
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,840
and he's been doing some stuff 
that like. 

1028
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,040
Got him messed up. 
Got him all messed up, man. 

1029
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,440
Who's he been fighting with? 
Who's he been working, you know,

1030
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,160
And so like, I had never made 
that connection. 

1031
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,920
I feel so dense. 
I really do. 

1032
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,760
Yeah, I I hadn't either, but 
it's just I wondered like until 

1033
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,280
that's what I hearing that was 
like. 

1034
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,920
Oh, man, that makes sense. 
Yeah. 

1035
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,280
Because I wonder, like, what's 
with the hand? 

1036
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,520
And they make a big deal out of 
it. 

1037
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,640
And then, like, at one point 
they just show towards the end, 

1038
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,200
he has the Band-Aid on top and 
you're like, OK, but it was 

1039
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,240
wrapped last time when he's at 
the store. 

1040
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,560
Like, yeah. 
Yeah, but then it's both sides 

1041
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,160
and all the way through and. 
Yeah, and they made a big deal. 

1042
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,440
I mean, it's a when he's in the 
store, it's a close up of the 

1043
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,320
hand. 
Like why would you even include 

1044
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,560
that if that wasn't very 
intentional for a Christ figure?

1045
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,560
The other thing that maybe we 
didn't hear in the clip? 

1046
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,920
I've got there's oh wait, 
there's more. 

1047
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,720
We'll we'll play Part 2 too, 
but. 

1048
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:02,240
Yeah, but the the prodigal son, 
the dad, well, the Christ 

1049
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,840
figure, right? 
He's hugging the prodigal son 

1050
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,400
who's come home. 
Oh my gosh, it's so good. 

1051
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,040
It's so good. 
Just that whole thing I will 

1052
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,800
never watch. 
I've probably seen that movie 30

1053
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,000
times and I will never watch it 
the same again. 

1054
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,440
And I will appreciate it far 
more than I ever have. 

1055
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,640
Yeah, so he draws out more. 
There's a second clip and we'll 

1056
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,800
we'll increase in the episode 
too. 

1057
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,920
You can watch him because he 
shows some of the movie scenes 

1058
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,920
in the videos too. 
But here's here's at least the 

1059
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,720
audio. 
Listen to his thoughts here and 

1060
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,400
and we'll be back with a little 
more. 

1061
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,320
So last week we did the The 
Homeland as a Christian movie 

1062
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,640
that way. 
Super stupid viral. 

1063
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,040
So then we have all these, we 
have all these podcast 

1064
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,720
listeners. 
This start like sleuthing this 

1065
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,360
thing, dude, I learned some 
stuff this week that makes it 

1066
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,360
even better. 
We have podcast listener who 

1067
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,360
works in Hollywood. 
This is going to blow your mind.

1068
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,680
This guy sends me this and he's 
like, Oh yeah, I got dude, the 

1069
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,440
two guys that rode home alone, 
devout Christians, devout 

1070
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,560
Catholics. 
Then he sends me the original 

1071
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,560
script of Home Alone. 
No way. 

1072
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,640
I'm looking at it right now. 
I'm going to do a brief reading 

1073
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,600
of what was supposed to happen 
in the original script of Home 

1074
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,440
Alone. 
When Kevin is in the church with

1075
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,000
all my Marley this is going to 
blow your mind Marley I was 

1076
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,120
baptized in this church. 
Kevin looks up. 

1077
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,520
Then Marley says I got married 
in this church. 

1078
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,520
My boys got married in this 
church. 

1079
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,840
I said goodbye to my wife in 
this church. 

1080
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,200
Then Kevin after a long pause 
says you got divorced in a 

1081
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,000
church. 
This is supposed to be funny 

1082
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,200
right? 
So then Marley laughs. 

1083
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,960
Kevin smiles and Marley says I 
don't laugh too much anymore but

1084
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,160
you got me. 
Then Marley says what I meant 

1085
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,520
was, was that the services for 
my wife when she died were here.

1086
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,960
The script says. 
Kevin feels terrible. 

1087
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Marley says it won't be too long
before they have my services 

1088
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:47,880
here. 
Kevin. 

1089
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,280
You shouldn't say that Marley. 
I'm an old man. 

1090
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,640
I've had a lot of living. 
I'd like to be with my wife 

1091
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,960
again, Kevin. 
Is that possible? 

1092
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,400
Marley? 
I believe it up in the Kingdom, 

1093
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,480
not here. 
Kevin says. 

1094
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,320
Oh Marley, this time with my 
wife for eternity. 

1095
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,760
Long pause, Marley says. 
So you've been a you've been a 

1096
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,840
good boy this year. 
Kevin looks up at Marley. 

1097
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,200
After a long beat, he shakes his
head. 

1098
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,640
No. 
Marley says. 

1099
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,560
Maybe you ought to tell him. 
Who, Kevin says. 

1100
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,440
Marley shifts his eyes up to the
ceiling. 

1101
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,080
Should I bother him on 
Christmas, Marley? 

1102
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,000
He's hope he's open all year 
round. 

1103
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,960
Marley, he'll listen. 
You're a good soul. 

1104
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,360
And you tell him about the 
trouble you had with your folks.

1105
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,520
Kevin is startled that Marley 
knows. 

1106
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,520
Stick with me for just a second 
here, Kevin. 

1107
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,160
You know about them, Marley. 
Just a guess. 

1108
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,400
You get on your knee and you ask
him to fix things for your 

1109
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,360
folks. 
And you say please. 

1110
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,800
And you say thank you for all 
the other things that he's done 

1111
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,880
for you. 
And then you go on home where 

1112
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,800
you belong. 
And then it says Kevin kneels 

1113
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,320
and he prays and then he 
finishes and he looks back at 

1114
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,160
Marley and Kevin says, how long 
does it usually take for things 

1115
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,200
like this to work? 
Marley says give him till 

1116
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,080
morning. 
Kevin says OK, and then listen. 

1117
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,880
The last thing it says is Marley
holds out his hand. 

1118
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,320
So we learned earlier in the 
movie, it shows his hands are 

1119
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,880
pierced all the way through, 
bro. 

1120
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,120
In the last scene of the movie, 
when Marley has just finished 

1121
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,960
saving Kevin and you see him 
reunited with his prodigal son. 

1122
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,600
Look, look at this. 
So, so throw that up. 

1123
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,040
His hand is healed. 
So sort of a symbolic, a 

1124
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,200
completion of the redemptive 
work of Christ. 

1125
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,240
So there you go, Part 2, Home 
alone. 

1126
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,000
That's good. 
A Christian movie. 

1127
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,120
It's so good. 
It's amazing, really cool. 

1128
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,960
I really think if they'd left 
the script just the way it was, 

1129
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,120
it would still be as popular 
today, if maybe not more so as 

1130
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,280
it already is. 
Yeah, you could have left the 

1131
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,680
script just the same. 
Let that church seem be what it 

1132
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,880
is, allow it to point us to 
Christ and it still would have 

1133
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,600
been a huge movie for the last 
40 years or whatever. 

1134
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,800
But yeah, the fact that those 
those Easter eggs, those 

1135
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,920
glimpses, those things were 
included, produced and and put 

1136
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,080
out there. 
Maybe you all have noticed all 

1137
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,560
these, maybe maybe we even live 
in the dark, I don't know. 

1138
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,120
But really cool to see the 
progression of all that and the 

1139
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,880
deeper meeting contained. 
Just go watch Home Alone one 

1140
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,960
more time now go ahead. 
It'll be a way better experience

1141
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,560
than it ever has been. 
Yeah. 

1142
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,600
So on that, Merry Christmas from
the three of us. 

1143
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,560
ERC crew here. 
Thanks for being a part of our 

1144
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,880
community and and doing life 
doing this Christian walk with 

1145
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,560
Jesus, Steph with us. 
Really grateful for you church 

1146
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,840
as as a community of people and 
we we love doing what we do. 

1147
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,560
We love serving and and caring 
for you and building up God's 

1148
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,320
Kingdom here in DeWitt and the 
surrounding communities. 

1149
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,680
So Merry Christmas from us to 
you. 

1150
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,160
We are taking a break from the 
podcast next week. 

1151
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,120
There will not be 1 next Monday,
the 29th of December. 

1152
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,160
I'm going to be gone and just, 
yeah, just going to take a take 

1153
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,800
a rest from the podcast for a 
week. 

1154
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,320
It'll be OK. 
We will be back in January as we

1155
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,000
get into the sermon series on 
the four FS, faith, family, 

1156
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,000
fitness and finances. 
That's what we're, that's what 

1157
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,600
we're doing in the new year. 
The first Sunday in January is 

1158
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,320
going to be one more Sunday. 
We've talked a lot about how our

1159
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,800
mission, we're using the 
language of reaching the one 

1160
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,360
more. 
What does that mean for one more

1161
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,200
Sunday? 
Well, the gospel message 

1162
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,440
encouraging those in your life 
who don't know Jesus to get to 

1163
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,280
know Jesus and know what he did 
for them. 

1164
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,960
That message is going to be 
abundantly clear in the services

1165
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,520
that Sunday. 
So bring your one more January 

1166
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,000
4th to church. 
Start the new year off with us 

1167
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,840
and and give him a little Jesus 
sprinkle to to start off the 

1168
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:55,560
year in January. 
So that's two services on 

1169
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,840
January 4th, 9:00 and 10:45. 
Reminder for this week, on 

1170
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,360
December 28th, we are just 
having the one worship gathering

1171
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,960
at 10:45 AM on Sunday. 
That's it. 

1172
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,520
I think that's all the things we
have to say. 

1173
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,320
Yeah, that's it. 
Oh. 

1174
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,040
Thanks. 
Merry Christmas. 

1175
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,080
Happy New Year. 
So exciting. 

1176
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,720
I love this time of year. 
It's so great. 

1177
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,840
I love it. 
I can't say enough. 

1178
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,760
I'm going to stop. 
Awesome, thanks for hanging with

1179
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:21,920
us. 
Have a blessed week, Church.