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Happy Monday, we are back in 
with the ERC Leftovers podcast. 

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I'm Pastor Matt. 
Pastor Crisp. 

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Here as well, week removed from 
Easter, we're into a new a 

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sermon series called Made in His
Image to Admit Biblical Manhood.

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This week you get to espouse 
your thoughts on biblical 

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womanhood. 
This week I've already 

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determined that they are going 
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Bible thoughts. 
I joked with my group last night

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that maybe I will just read 
passages only and make 0 

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comments on anything and I'm 
just going to read all the Bible

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passages about biblical 
womanhood and make no 

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commentary. 
It feels safe. 

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It's very safe move that that's 
the safe play this upcoming 

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week. 
Yeah, so biblical manhood, 

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biblical womanhood, and then how
we are all children of God. 

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This series is really, I mean, 
ultimately it's about identity 

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and, and how God orchestrated 
that in his image bearers in, in

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men and women and then all of us
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So that's the posture that we 
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our earthly age and maturity. 
That's a position that doesn't 

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change for us as children of 
God, right? 

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That was perfectly well. 
I mean, that was perfect. 

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That could have been my. 
I mean, that was. 

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Did you craft that? 
Just a second. 

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It just came off the top of my 
brain. 

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You said that perfectly. 
In fact, now I need to go back 

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after this publishes, and I need
to listen to you say that again,

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because that was so perfectly 
well done as a descriptor. 

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But that's that's the thinking, 
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It's not just for children, it's
all of us. 

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So yeah, we are rocking and 
rolling back with the ERC 

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leftovers here. 
Thanks for hanging with us. 

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Got a couple of just, I don't 
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segments for these, but I wanted
to discuss just some offhanded 

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things that came up at staff 
meeting this morning. 

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You you said you got into a 
debate over Doctor Pepper or Mr.

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Pibb. 
Doctor Pepper, Sir, he is a 

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fraud. 
I don't believe he's a real 

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doctor. 
I have not seen any of that 

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paperwork signifying that he is.
And those 23 flavors or 

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whatever, it's one flavor. 
It's called sugar. 

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You don't have 23 flavors. 
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as a soda flavor, but PIB is far
superior and he's more honest 

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about his level of degree. 
He's just a Mr. He's just a 

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dude, and he accepts that. 
He doesn't have to put the fancy

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title Doctor on anything. 
So I think Doctor Pepper is a 

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fraud. 
Wow, OK, I feel strong about. 

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It Yep, deep thoughts with 
pastor Chris. 

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Yep, I I mean, I'm with you. 
What? 

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I really don't understand the 23
flavors and there's so there's 

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23 flavors, but cherry isn't one
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Like we need cherry Dr. pepper 
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but you're telling me cherry and
vanilla aren't in the 23 

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flavors? 
Seems weird. 

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Seems sketchy. 
What are the 23 flavors? 

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I mean, like, should I dare? 
I dare I ask the interwebs what 

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are the 23? 
Yeah, the 23. 

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Flavor. 
Oh my goodness. 

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Doctor Pepper. 
Amaretto Almond. 

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OK. 
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caramel, carrot, cherry. 
OK, so Cherry isn't that So why 

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do we have Cherry Dr. Pepper? 
Seems. 

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Redundant Why do we have cherry,
Dr. Pepper, clove, cola, ginger,

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juniper, lemon, molasses, 
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prune, Raspberry, root beer, 
rum, tomato and vanilla? 

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Baloney. 
Baloney. 

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No way. 
That's the 23 flavors yet we 

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have. 
Why do we have cherry Vanilla 

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Doctor Pepper, right? 
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we're just. 
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It does and and Mr. Pip is just 
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general. 
I agree. 

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I definitely agree. 
So we're like Coke or Pepsi 

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though? 
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It's not. 
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this building has a giant Pepsi 
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We sell Coke. 
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We sell Coca-Cola. 
Products out of hurts my soul. 

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But I do have one staunch Pepsi 
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In fact, this student wore a 
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week and I was like, you know 
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Like your your team Pepsi all 
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You you don't really enjoy coke.
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I'm glad at least you have a 
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respect it. 
And I did put Pepsi back in the 

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machine for that student because
they have harassed me for months

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on end about putting Pepsi in 
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So I finally did it. 
But I I've warned them. 

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I said if this stuff doesn't 
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So there you go. 
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is my son's petition still going
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OK, OK, yes, we need to I we 
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masses because we. 
Should because I didn't even he 

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this kept quiet some. 
I didn't know about this till 

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like this past week. 
Yeah, he went really hard on it.

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I'm I'm proud of Oliver because 
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soda and he is convinced he 
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Crushed grape soda specifically.
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because I did say I would honor 
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I'm going to, I'm going to honor
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So what happens is Oliver 
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this soda is, and I'm like, 
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That's never going to sell. 
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think he collected 25 
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Of. 
People who want to support grape

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soda in the machine. 
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know what I'm going to give it 
to you. 

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I'm I'm going to find this in 
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there. 
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won't, I'm taking it out 
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And I will remind him of that 
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school. 
Like, dude, it's. 

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Not didn't happen. 
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oz crushed grape soda bottles 
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they maybe want one or two 
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It's usually something that 
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they're getting up. 
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they don't want three different 
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They want like one big thing or 
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into now, they want their own, 
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that is just, it's like their 
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So that's essentially what. 
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Anyway, that was in his bag. 
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Crush. 
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sugar. 
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salt and vinegar Pringles. 
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Wow, so I love that. 
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humoring him. 
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There's going to be Grape Crush.
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Oh man, I do need to find it on 
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kind of a serious way, this is 
like that pop machine exists 

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because when I get sewed on 
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basically 45 or $0.50 a can 
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profit of that goes towards our 
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And so like it is a fundraising 
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And so I did tell him I have to 
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because I'm not paying a dollar 
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We're not going to break even on
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Like I'm not doing that. 
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little bit I got to see it on 
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All right. 
That's fair. 

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But all right, thanks for the 
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update. 
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about the contents of the soda 
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Off the rails. 
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Yes, yes. 
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an episode of The Leftovers 
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So yeah, that's all we really 
got for Icebreaker today. 

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We're going to jump right into 
content kind of reviewing the 

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sermon from biblical manhood 
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If you haven't listened to that 
sermon, it's further back in the

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in the ERC Sunday's podcast feed
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But I jumped off yesterday. 
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about what biblical manhood is 
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because I think we see a lot of 
what it isn't in if, if we're 

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getting informed from society 
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even our experiences. 
I've talked about this in in 

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weeks past and thinking about 
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If your picture of what 
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by your earthly experience with 
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There's probably some scars 
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There's, there's probably some 
imperfect memories there or 

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things that have informed your 
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imperfect fathers. 
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with fatherhood, we that the 
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Father, the perfect heavenly 
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That's the model of fatherhood. 
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look at how God prescribes 
manhood, not not informed from 

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or inform about manhood. 
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and shortcomings, I'd rather 
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yesterday, let's start with the 
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What is this supposed to look 
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back to it? 
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So Genesis 1, God said, let man,
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Verse 26 through 28 of Genesis 
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image after our likeness. 
Let them have dominion over the 

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fish of the sea and over the 
birds of the heavens, over the 

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livestock, over all the earth or
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creeps on the earth. 
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image, in the image of God. 
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He created them and God blessed 
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fruitful and multiply and fill 
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dominion over it. 
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with this, though we started off
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women. 
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Actually the starting point is 
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Designed in God's image to 
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That's that's the purpose now we
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different attributes, very 
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different leanings and strikes 
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So from that I pointed out 
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first time that man being alone 
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call out. 
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address singles next week too. 
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hear and what I don't think I 
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manhood, you're not biblically a
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wife. 
Not true. 

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We have examples from Paul even 
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ministry especially actually 
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of solitude for for those called
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or or missionary situations. 
Some of Paul's writings make the

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argument that that's better done
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Or at least it increases your 
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Yes, which is very practical 
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And, and he's not wrong. 
If I was, you know, if I was a 

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missionary or whatever, it would
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focus easier if I was unmarried 
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However, in my current context 
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context, it actually helps that 
I'm married in a lot of ways 

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simply because like man, now we 
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have this one flesh, but we have
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And it, and you're right, it's, 
it's drawn out in different ways

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between me and my wife and, and 
I think that's incredibly 

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powerful thing. 
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to point out in this kind of 
extra time was I hope you didn't

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hear me say that like marriage 
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manhood on earth. 
There's a lot of good things in 

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a God honoring marriage. 
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metaphorical similarity between 
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as Christ and his bride, the 
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So like those things are there, 
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The next part of this is kind of
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calling to dominion and 
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created in God's image for 
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phrases as as Adam is in the 
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there was to work it keep it. 
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Hebrew phrases of cultivate, 
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over. 
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not good for man to be alone and
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him. 
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into it yesterday. 
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lot yesterday about our need for
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part about this was that Adam 
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God would not have created a 
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good thing for him, right? 
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don't like to say that we don't 
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saying from the beginning, you 
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You don't have all the tools you
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given you. 
So here here is a helper 

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suitable to have you fulfill the
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right? 
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complimentary yesterday and that
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being able to say, you know 
what, like God's got a strategy 

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for completeness and wholeness. 
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certainly out there who do not 
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And that's great for them. 
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people don't feel that way. 
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kind of just loss or, I don't 
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there, right? 
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this relationship with man and 
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decided to do that because God 
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Oh, I'm the gap filler for all 
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and says, no, I'm going to 
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image and likeness that will 
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experience on every level for 
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And just how it, how it kind of 
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get into ideas of servant 
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and respect in those things, it,
it shouldn't seem jarring to us.

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I know it's an off putting 
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need, I need help or I don't 
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We don't, we don't like to admit
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God from the beginning, God 
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deficiency, this need for 
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but we are in need, in need, 
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work in Symphony with with a 
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Like there there is that be 
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multiplying? 
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fruitful? 
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questions in the in the study 
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work or whether at church, 
whether in your your 

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neighborhood or community, like 
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How, how, how are you 
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around you? 
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that marriage isn't like the 
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because you're not off the hook 
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married, right? 
Like if you are married, you 

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have a very specific, OK, your 
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That's your first discipleship 
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relationships, because those are
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And I actually love that because
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single aunts and uncles of kids 
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And they joyously pour into 
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the community and other people, 
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stuff like that. 
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does exist. 
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to watch, especially when it's 
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like, well, no, this is super 
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It's my kids, it's my wife, 
whatever. 

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No, like they go out and they 
find that and they are disciple 

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makers in a lot of different 
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people who like to or, or find 
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I think that's incredibly 
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always in the game. 
Always, no matter what, Like 

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there's no excuse. 
You should always be in the 

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game, single, married, whatever.
Like that's, that's God's call 

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for all of us. 
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And that gets into a big 
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We could have, we could spend 
weeks on this husbands and wives

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passage from Ephesians 5. 
But we'll, we'll just spend a 

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couple extra. 
I have extra thoughts. 

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I've got lots of thoughts that I
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have gone on for a long time, 
way longer than I did. 

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But Ephesians 5, we'll start at 
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For the husband is the head of 
the wife as Christ, as the head 

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of the church, his body of which
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submit to their husbands in 
everything. 

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We talked a bit yesterday that 
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this phrase is passage actually 
gets a really negative 

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connotation a lot of the time 
gives men just free reign or it 

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has been used at least for men 
to have free reign of just 

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domineering the household. 
Which is no, not the design. 

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Whatsoever that's that's not the
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actually asked I asked the 
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they if they felt oppressed in 
sitting in church in their 

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submission to Christ as the head
right now, if it's as Christ is 

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the head of the church church. 
Do you feel no, you don't you 

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don't feel oppressed by your 
savior. 

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You don't you don't feel 
exploited or dominated by or 

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ruled over really, which is 
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over our lives, but there's 
trust in that. 

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That's not like there's not 
discomfort or a dictatorship 

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feeling in in that. 
And I think this passage with 

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husbands and wives, it can get 
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Oh, well, if I, if I, if I 
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just giving him a free pass to 
just walk all over me and make 

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every decision without, without 
consulting me about everything 

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and, and all those things. 
And that's not the design here. 

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I actually, I made the joke 
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news and bad news and they're 
both, they're both the same. 

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The good news is guys, that 
you're in charge. 

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God, God placed you in charge. 
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in charge. 
You're you're now accountable as

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head of household for for your 
wife, for your your children, or

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your someday children. 
I actually think that that level

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of accountability, if you take 
it at face value from God's 

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Word, man, that is almost scary.
Almost scary simply simply 

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because like you know, you are, 
you are now responsible for 

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actively discipling and 
protecting and developing these 

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people who God has allowed you 
to to help steward. 

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And of course, obviously he is 
everybody's father ultimately. 

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Yet we are we are called as men,
especially married men to be 

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those developers and those 
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And man, if we take that 
seriously as we should, that is 

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a substantial responsibility 
that it does become my first and

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most important human 
relationship, right? 

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It has to. 
So I think we've said it here, 

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man, God comes first in, in 
that. 

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And I'm saying priorities that 
are aligned correctly with what 

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God says. 
God comes first. 

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My, my second first, if if you 
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wife, period. 
And listen, I have been pretty 

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clear with our kids on that. 
Like we love you to death. 

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We will do anything for you. 
But our marriage, my, my, my 

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relationship to my wife even 
comes before them and then they 

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are immediately after and then 
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And so I mean, like we have 
these kind of pretty clearly 

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laid out priorities in terms of 
relationship and, and who we're 

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pouring into and all that kind 
of stuff. 

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And so like, I just don't think 
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you were saying about the 
submission thing, there's 

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nothing inferior about the 
woman's role in that. 

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There's it's not an inferiority 
thing. 

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It's a different thing, but it's
not inferior. 

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God creates us differently for 
different roles and purposes, 

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but there's nothing inferior 
about it. 

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Yeah, because then the answer in
verse 25, Ephesians 5 is 

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husbands love your wives, just 
as Christ loved the church and 

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gave himself up for her. 
He he goes on to elaborate on 

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the posture of submission and, 
and how that works because 

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husbands, you are to love your 
wife. 

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You are to put her needs first. 
You are to put your caring for 

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her first as you would just as 
much as you care for yourself. 

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That's how you would care for 
her just as Christ loved the 

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church and gave himself up for 
her and I I said that so there's

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a qualification for the 
submission there and and and 

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later this whole passage can be 
referred to as the love and 

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respect passage. 
Husbands love your wives wives 

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respect your husband submit 
submit to your husbands and I 

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think you're going to get into 
it a little more the next week. 

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This this sort of cyclical 
pattern there that when working 

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in God's design works really 
well. 

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When a husband is feeling 
respected by his his wife, he he

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naturally easily readily loves 
her care, cares for her. 

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And and that's not to put the 
onus on the wives, because when 

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the husband naturally readily 
taking the initiative loves his 

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wife, it's also in turn a lot 
simpler, I think more natural 

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for her to want to respect him, 
for her to respect him. 

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So the disconnect happens when 
someone wakes cycle, or when 

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maybe when both break the cycle 
and it it can't get started 

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again because no one's doing 
either of the things. 

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Yeah, and, and why and why can't
it get restarted? 

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Because pride gets involved. 
This this sneaking pride of 

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well, I'm not going to be the 
first one because it's probably 

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his fault. 
I'm not going to be the first 

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one because it's probably her 
fault. 

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And if she would do that, then I
would do that. 

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But the, the you can't get 
anywhere in those. 

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Both parties are sold out and 
involved in that process. 

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And I said it strongly yesterday
because I do, I do think for for

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anyone who's stuck in that state
where there is not love or 

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respect being given and you're 
both waiting for the other one 

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to blink to see it, to see who's
going to whatever apologize or 

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move first. 
I said it, I said it strongly 

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that it's still, I think it 
still falls to the men. 

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Be the first mover. 
You're you're still the first 

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repenter. 
You're still the first mover. 

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It is still on you to love her 
sacrificially the way Christ 

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did, even when, even when she 
doesn't deserve it, even when I 

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said it yesterday, when, well, 
that doesn't seem fair. 

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Even when it's not fair. 
I think it's still on the man. 

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And that's the the bad news of 
you being in charge. 

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You have to do the the part of 
it that seems that seems unfair 

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or undeserved. 
That's the just that's the just 

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as Christ loved the church and 
gave himself up for that's 

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that's that unconditional 
posture of of gracious love in 

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that. 
So if you're stuck outside of 

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that cycle, I still think it is 
on the mend to initiate that. 

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Now I did say also yesterday, 
and I want to clarify, I don't 

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want it to seem like I said, I 
feel I feel like it maybe could 

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have been taken. 
Yeah, that's not that's not fair

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that you have to do that and too
bad. 

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I I like I feel like that's 
right. 

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I feel like I kind of just said 
you just got to deal with it and

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endure it because you're the 
man. 

449
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:15,440
There's partial truth in that, 
but there's also no no, that God

450
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080
didn't make you to just struggle
in that. 

451
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,600
If you are if you are a husband 
who is acting in God's design 

452
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,320
and faithfully holding to that 
even when your wife is not 

453
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000
acting in God's design in in 
womanhood, which we're going 

454
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,800
we're going to get into in the 
next week. 

455
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,680
It's still on the that I talked 
about yesterday. 

456
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080
There's not excuses. 
You don't get to not act like a 

457
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,880
man if your if your husband, if 
your wife is not acting as God 

458
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,920
designed as a woman, you, you 
don't get to be off the hook 

459
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,800
because she's off the you need. 
You need to hopefully lead her 

460
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,280
back into that. 
There's still reconciliation and

461
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,040
redemption for that within your 
marriage. 

462
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,840
And if it's that, if that's if 
that's counseling, if that's 

463
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,880
bringing her back to to Jesus in
a relationship that you're 

464
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,400
leading her in within your 
household in scripture, like 

465
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,120
there's there's ways to get out 
of that. 

466
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:16,160
I wasn't saying yesterday that 
this is just the way your life's

467
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,320
going to be for the rest of your
life and it's not going to be 

468
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,200
great, but you just got to deal 
with it. 

469
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,000
That's that's not right now. 
I hope I hope I didn't leave 

470
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
anybody in that despair 
yesterday. 

471
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,800
But I did want to emphasize, I 
still I think it is on the men 

472
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,640
to bring your relationship out 
of that. 

473
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,520
And, and that's also a warning 
for guys who aren't married yet,

474
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,320
Like that's, that's part of what
you're jumping into with 

475
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,240
marriage is, is leading yourself
and your wife out of those pits 

476
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,640
should you find yourself in 
them. 

477
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,080
Well, and it's interesting too, 
if we zoom out for a second on a

478
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,440
broader scale, the call on the 
Christian amongst A secular 

479
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,360
society is to be this loving 
example, the first forgiver, 

480
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,200
etcetera, etcetera. 
And so like even on a broader 

481
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,800
zoomed out scale, this, while it
is for men within that 

482
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,440
relationship, it is for 
Christians in general to be the 

483
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,320
first movers, to be the first 
leaders of things like 

484
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,960
forgiveness and reconciliation 
and all those kinds of things, 

485
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,040
because we are ultimately 
ambassadors for the king. 

486
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,320
If you're a Christian, you are a
living, walking, breathing 

487
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,600
ambassador for the king. 
And we need to be faithful, 

488
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,680
representing him in a biblically
accurate way. 

489
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,480
And that does mean forgiving 
when other people wouldn't. 

490
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,520
And it does mean reconciliation 
when it's difficult. 

491
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,560
And it does mean you're the 
first mover and you're the 

492
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,120
first, you know, person to 
apologize. 

493
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,280
That's that's the call on all 
Christians. 

494
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,240
So I mean, broadly, Yep, that's 
exactly how that works. 

495
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,880
If you're a Christian and more 
narrowly if you're within a 

496
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,120
familial household, OK, it still
works that way. 

497
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120
But men biblically are called to
be the leaders in that. 

498
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Yeah, absolutely. 
So I think that's yeah, a little

499
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,440
a few more thoughts on 
sacrificial leadership and what 

500
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:25,000
that does and doesn't look like.
But yeah, guys, it's still heavy

501
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,360
as the head that holds crown, 
right? 

502
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,480
Like it's, that's not, that's 
not an inaccurate phrase for 

503
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,800
headship of the household. 
Yes, it comes with the benefit 

504
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,000
of leadership. 
It also comes with the 

505
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,920
accountability of leadership. 
You got to do things. 

506
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,360
Now I'll also say because this 
is interesting, there are a lot 

507
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:50,040
of godly couples and maybe the, 
the woman is actually the, the 

508
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,840
primary kind of speaker teacher 
to the kids and stuff like that.

509
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,760
And that's, there's nothing 
wrong with that. 

510
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360
And some women are just really 
great at it. 

511
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,480
God has gifted them in that way.
And so they, they, they, they do

512
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,640
that. 
But I suspect based on 

513
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,560
everything that the Bible says, 
that it is part of the man's job

514
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,520
as the head of household to 
encourage that. 

515
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,400
And maybe you do have to 
encourage your kids because 

516
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,480
maybe they're not listening well
and stuff. 

517
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,600
You get to be the encourager and
you get to maybe you're not 

518
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,080
always the voice, the quote, UN 
quote, teaching voice of, of 

519
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,560
what God's word says within your
household, but man, like you are

520
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,640
the encourage or you're the one 
who's going to bring the troops,

521
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,920
you know, to the speaker And, 
and, and I think that's OK too. 

522
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,960
I love we talk about Pastor Josh
Howerton sometimes and they have

523
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,120
a he shared a dynamic they have 
in their household of of how 

524
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,120
this works with mom doing the 
things she is she cares for 

525
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,240
their household house housewife.
They have a fairly regular 

526
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,640
rhythm of family dinner, which I
know not everyone has and 

527
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,240
actually we're pretty bad at for
just kids going every which 

528
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,040
direction and we we have we try 
to hold the Fridays, but it's 

529
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,240
definitely not like every night 
of the week that we are sitting 

530
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,400
down for a family meal together.
When they do though this 

531
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Howerton household, she usually 
she's cooking dinner, he's 

532
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,280
coming home from work. 
Kids set the table, gathered 

533
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:27,520
around the table. 
Nobody, nobody eats till till. 

534
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,440
Mom sits down though, like and 
he's. 

535
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,480
The I like that a lot. 
Wow. 

536
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,400
Yeah. 
And and he's the so like she's 

537
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:40,160
she's doing things, but Dad's 
the enforcer of that. 

538
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Maybe Dad. 
Dad's coming in last and he's 

539
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,480
sitting down at the table. 
Nobody, nobody digs in till 

540
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,440
mom's done with the things and 
dad's the enforcer of that. 

541
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,480
Like that's he's he's supporting
her in that. 

542
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,440
Not again, not ruling over 
dominant that that like she has 

543
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,840
to do that, but he's saying in 
that in how you're serving. 

544
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,520
I'm going to back you up and and
this is this is how we're going 

545
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,280
to honor your part in this. 
I'm I'm putting this in place to

546
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,960
honor you in in the work that 
you're doing. 

547
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,840
So it's similar. 
I think that's awesome what 

548
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,400
you're saying. 
Like, yeah, that's not to take 

549
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,800
away primary giftings from the 
wife dynamic in there too. 

550
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,360
But if that's not you dad's 
father's, you better have your 

551
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,280
wife back in in how she's 
leading in that like you, you 

552
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,480
need to be cheerleader, 
supporter, enforcer of of how 

553
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,440
she's leading. 
One of the most interesting 

554
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,520
things that kids can sometimes 
do for their own potential gain 

555
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,960
or benefit is they can pit mom 
and dad against each other. 

556
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Well, mom or dad said no. 
So without without communicating

557
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040
that, I'll go ask the other to 
see if I get a different answer 

558
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,040
and ultimately putting them 
against each other. 

559
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,280
And my wife and I, I think we 
saw that once before. 

560
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,880
We said, oh, never again. 
And so now The thing is when you

561
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,120
know, and they're older now, so 
it doesn't happen very often, 

562
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,199
but if one of our kids were to 
ask us something, have you 

563
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,000
talked to mom? 
Have you talked to dad? 

564
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,760
Because we need to know, quite 
honestly, if the other person is

565
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,520
already given a decision and 
whatever that decision is, agree

566
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,040
or not, I'm always going to back
my wife every single time. 

567
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920
I'm never going to undermine her
because I do respect her and I 

568
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,199
do love her. 
And so even if I quietly 

569
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,719
disagreed with whatever that was
her and I can talk about that 

570
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,560
later without the kids around, 
but I'm never going to, I'm 

571
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,080
never going to show her up and I
shouldn't because she is my 

572
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,840
partner and all these things and
there's just no reason to ever 

573
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,600
do that. 
Yeah, no, that's that's a good 

574
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,600
dynamic. 
And yeah, definitely not even if

575
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,040
you disagree, it's a well, I'm 
going to talk to your mom about 

576
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,080
that. 
Like you don't, you don't. 

577
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,320
You don't unpack that in front 
of the kid. 

578
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,160
No, no, be be on team marriage 
and the kids, you know, they'll,

579
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,920
they'll hear the final outcome 
at some point. 

580
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Yeah, so first, first three as 
men designed, oh man, I have too

581
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,280
many pages in front of me. 
Men creating God's image to 

582
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,320
reflect his character. 
Men called to work and guard, 

583
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,200
cultivate and protect. 
Men are designed for sacrificial

584
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,520
leadership in relationship. 
And then in that I mean in 

585
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,760
marriage, in parenthood, men are
called the fatherhood and 

586
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,520
spiritual instruction. 
The sort of mandate 1 flesh 

587
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,240
union, be fruitful and multiply 
implies discipleship with it. 

588
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:49,040
Within that dynamic, Ephesians 6
Paul writes bring up your 

589
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,400
children in the discipline and 
instruction of the Lord. 

590
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,560
He writes in Ephesians 3 avoid 
provoking them to anger, but 

591
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,520
teach them diligently. 
This is something we didn't dive

592
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,000
into yesterday. 
I brought up those verses. 

593
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:06,400
I didn't jump into the do not 
provoke provoke them to anger 

594
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,320
part of this and we were 
actually talking earlier. 

595
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,480
I hope you noted yesterday I 
didn't, I did not talk so much 

596
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,000
about feelings and emotions that
are that like define a man, 

597
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,280
because I think those are all 
that's that's largely societally

598
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,760
infused. 
There isn't to my knowledge and 

599
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,920
theology. 
Man, you can guard me. 

600
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,280
I don't I don't think there's a 
passage in the Bible that like 

601
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,040
we have the fruits of the 
spirit, Lovejoy, peace, 

602
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,160
patience, kindness, gentleness, 
goodness, self-control. 

603
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,360
Like there's not a passage 
somewhere that says the fruits 

604
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:53,920
of a man are strength, pride, 
anger, discipline. 

605
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,240
Like I don't, I don't, I don't 
think there's a list of those 

606
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,800
fruits of fruits of the men and 
fruits of the women, right? 

607
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,400
The. 
Bible. 

608
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,720
Doesn't even prescribe specific 
characteristics for for men to 

609
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,920
embody, right? 
But it was interesting talking 

610
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,280
with our group last night. 
You know, we just kind of gave 

611
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,960
the general survey. 
I think it was coming out of 

612
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,120
your first study guide question,
which is OK. 

613
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,440
So what have we seen societally 
or in our own experiences? 

614
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,520
Like what do you what do you 
think is defines a man? 

615
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,080
And when we talked about 
emotions, it was interesting 

616
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,880
that we all kind of collectively
grew up with it was OK for men 

617
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,200
to express anger and maybe only 
in themselves, they felt like it

618
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,600
was not OK to express sadness or
vulnerability. 

619
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,880
And I find that pretty 
interesting because again, I 

620
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,240
didn't totally grow up that way,
but I can see it all over the 

621
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,560
place. 
Like, man, it's, it's, it's 

622
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,400
fine. 
We all expect you to express 

623
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,240
anger, but maybe it's not so 
fine if you're expressing 

624
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,600
vulnerability. 
And I don't think the Bible 

625
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,320
would ever indicate that that's 
the, that that is the case. 

626
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,760
But that's how we've grown up. 
And, you know, culture and 

627
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,600
family ties it, it draws a lot 
of that stuff out in US or it 

628
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,200
suppresses other things in us. 
We can't totally escape, you 

629
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,000
know, our cultural moment or how
we were raised, but we can 

630
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,560
recognize it, we can see it, and
we can then look at the Bible. 

631
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,160
We can look at God's word and 
say, OK, does how I was raised 

632
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,040
or my culture, does that line up
with what God says I'm supposed 

633
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,720
to be as a man or as a woman? 
And you know, in the case of 

634
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,720
men, I think we've leaned too 
hard into stoicism for too long 

635
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,920
now. 
Of course, the overcorrection of

636
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,320
our culture is now men need to 
basically almost be effeminate 

637
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
to be accessible because 
otherwise we can label it as 

638
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,200
toxic masculinity. 
And again, it's the pendulum 

639
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,120
swinging too far in either 
direction. 

640
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,920
It's not, It's not. 
That's not how God, as you said 

641
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,360
as the architect, designed this 
thing to work. 

642
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,120
Yeah, and that avoid provoking 
them to anger. 

643
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,880
We're going to have AI maybe 
refocusing the meaning of mere 

644
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,680
mortal Monday, but I'm going to 
have a mere mortal moment here 

645
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,120
as your yeah, pastors are humans
too. 

646
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,560
This avoid provoking them to 
anger hit me between the eyes 

647
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,440
yesterday because I have I mean 
I have yelled at my children and

648
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,880
this is I actually saw this. 
I'll come back to mere mortal 

649
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,920
Monday in a minute, but I wanted
to share this post. 

650
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,240
It's from a an account called 
good financial sense that he's I

651
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:45,280
think he's a pretty good 
financial social influencer 

652
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,040
shares some things about random 
things every once in a while, 

653
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,120
but he jumped on this. 
Here's what I noticed trend a 

654
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,240
little bit. 
I stopped dealing at my kids for

655
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,160
a week. 
Here's what I noticed and he 

656
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,760
lists off we relate to school 
every day. 

657
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,840
They didn't clean up a single 
thing. 

658
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,440
They didn't shower, they didn't 
do their homework. 

659
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,680
They looked homeless. 
What? 

660
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,000
No, I did not. 
I did not see that going that 

661
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000
direction. 
That's what that's what I 

662
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,560
thought it was funny that like, 
OK, his greater point and of 

663
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,560
course he got razzed in the 
comments for like, oh, you've 

664
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,680
conditioned your kids to only 
yell, to only listen to you when

665
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,280
you yell at them. 
No, his greater point was like 

666
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,000
his kids lacked discipline for a
week and their lives were a 

667
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,000
train wreck like so there there 
has to be that line of 

668
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,040
discipline. 
But as we called out the 1st 

669
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,320
Corinthians 16 we'll get into in
just in just a second. 

670
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Let all that you do be done in 
love that that's written All in 

671
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,200
all in Paul's writings even OK 
Jesus love the Lord your God 

672
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,640
love people as yourself right 
love your neighbor as yourself. 

673
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,520
The things we do have to be done
in love true thing in love. 

674
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,720
Let let everything that you let 
everything that you do be 

675
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,720
seasoned with grace and love 
like we have. 

676
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,520
We have to do that even in 
discipline. 

677
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,960
So raising my voice at my 
children is not very loving like

678
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,800
gonna gonna own that. 
I think you all understand like 

679
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,720
most of you have been brought to
that point where they just can't

680
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:26,000
get their attention and do what 
you need them to do unless you 

681
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,840
do that. 
I'm not saying that's right. 

682
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,600
I'm not saying I'm justified in 
that. 

683
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,080
I just, I hope that's relatable.
However, where it hit me between

684
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960
the eyes. 
Mere mortal Monday pastors are 

685
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:42,960
humans too. 
Yesterday one of my children had

686
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,240
an outburst at the rest of their
siblings playing all the 

687
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:51,600
trampoline playing this game and
it it went from zero to 10 in an

688
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,920
instant. 
Like they did. 

689
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
They just had a quick 
disagreement and one of them 

690
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,880
just hit 10 and raised their 
voice at the rest of their 

691
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,960
siblings. 
And that hit me between. 

692
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,400
Oh, guess where they learned 
that from? 

693
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,440
Yeah, that was me. 
That was that was me. 

694
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,120
So I think that's part of the 
warning here is is the modeling 

695
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,880
of that. 
I think the other part of the 

696
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,720
warning in avoid provoking them 
to anger. 

697
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,640
Discipline has to be done in 
love. 

698
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Otherwise, I think it incites 
rebellion. 

699
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,800
It, it's just going to become 
if, even if it's God's truth, 

700
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,600
even if it's God's laws, which 
are perfect and true and the 

701
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,720
blueprints for how we should 
live if they are given in such a

702
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,960
rigid, disciplinary and 
authoritarian way without love, 

703
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,360
even as adults, we, we just 
naturally want to not do that, 

704
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,840
right? 
Nope. 

705
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,800
That's that's oppressive. 
That sounds like a bad time. 

706
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,760
I don't, I don't need the man 
telling me what I can and can't 

707
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,280
do, right? 
Like that's that's just that's 

708
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,640
the provoke to anger. 
I think it's provoke to anger to

709
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,720
the things of God even. 
Like if we do discipline in a 

710
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,840
non loving way they're just 
going to want to reject it all. 

711
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,200
Absolutely. 
And maybe, maybe they should. 

712
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Because here's the thing. 
Any kind of discipline without 

713
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,880
love as the basis or background 
or impetus to it, that's just 

714
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,720
called punishment. 
And no, no, absolutely not. 

715
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,080
You know, because The thing is 
maybe, well, let's take the 

716
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,440
example. 
Your kid does something they 

717
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
weren't supposed to do. 
And you know, you fire off 

718
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,680
whether provoke, you know, you 
fire off and you say, oh, you're

719
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,800
grounded for a week. 
OK, Was that punishment or was 

720
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,560
that discipline? 
Because I think there's a clear 

721
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,000
line there. 
Discipline is built to help 

722
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,160
teach you because I love you and
I and I want you to be better at

723
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,040
this and I and I don't want you 
to make XYZ mistake. 

724
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,720
Punishment is just. 
I'm having a bad day. 

725
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,080
Care, I'm having a bad day and 
now you're going to get it. 

726
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,360
So I think like God disciplines 
and the Bible says God 

727
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,320
disciplines those whom he loves.
Punishment is something totally 

728
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,400
different. 
And I think we punish when we 

729
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,920
let our anger get out of 
control. 

730
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,720
Yep. 
So and that comes back to first 

731
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,840
repenter too. 
Like if you, if you hit that 

732
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,680
level, OK, that happened, you 
need to go back and, and own 

733
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,800
that and, and say, OK, you, you 
were wrong. 

734
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,040
I was wrong. 
I, I acted wrongly in bringing 

735
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,920
this discipline to you. 
Will you forgive me for that? 

736
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,720
And and that's, that's going to 
go a long way to modeling that 

737
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:39,640
behavior in your in your 
children as well. 

738
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,920
As a as a man, as a husband, as 
a dad, that was one of the most 

739
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,520
powerful things that maybe, and 
I would have to ask my kids 

740
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,440
specifically, but that was 
probably one of the more 

741
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,920
powerful things that happened in
my development as a Christian is

742
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,440
being able to call myself out in
front of them and not being so 

743
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,720
prideful and arrogant as to say,
well, they had it coming and I 

744
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,200
don't need to apologize to them 
because it's their fault. 

745
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,920
I was like that anyway. 
OK, sure. 

746
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,480
Maybe the initial thing was, you
know, something that they've 

747
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,480
done wrong. 
But my reaction, I'm, I'm the 

748
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,840
man. 
I'm supposed to be able to 

749
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,240
control that in some way and to 
bring them up and to show them 

750
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:25,720
what a man looks like who is not
punishing because I'm angry, but

751
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,240
disciplining because I love. 
And that was incredibly powerful

752
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,680
in my life and my family's life.
That's really good. 

753
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,720
First Corinthians 1613 and 14 is
the is the last point men are to

754
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,920
glorify God in strength and 
love. 

755
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,320
First Corinthians well first 
Corinthians can't say that word 

756
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:50,600
today. 
The Bible says no First 

757
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,200
Corinthians 1613 and 14 be 
watchful, stand firm in the 

758
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,120
faith, act like men, be strong. 
Let all that you do be done in 

759
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:02,560
love. 
From this I derived men are to 

760
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,880
glorify God in strength and 
love. 

761
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,880
That's that's the ultimate 
purpose to glorify God. 

762
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,840
And I just wanted to share this 
reflection of just a quick 

763
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,880
experience that I had on our way
down to Florida over spring 

764
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,720
break. 
We were driving through, I think

765
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:25,880
it was Birmingham, AL, bigger 
metropolitan space, 55 lane wide

766
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,560
highway. 
And we were, we weren't all the 

767
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,640
way over in the right lane, but 
there was a semi truck on the 

768
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,760
left and I and I was passing 
them. 

769
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,000
And just as I get to like the 
front of the semi truck, this 

770
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,720
car comes cutting across from 
our left across like they cut 

771
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,840
the semi off. 
They clearly didn't see we were 

772
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,120
there like, and it was a, it was
a brake swerve sort of move at 

773
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,160
highway speeds. 
We're going 6065 miles an hour 

774
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,800
for sure. 
And in that moment, and there's 

775
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,040
lots of other, lots of other 
things that went through my 

776
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,720
head, I was, I mean, I was 
scared for an instant. 

777
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,200
I was reactive and defensive for
an instant. 

778
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Then I was just mad at the 
person that brought this threat 

779
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,240
into my life and with, with my 
family in tow and all these 

780
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,920
things. 
But it actually got me thinking 

781
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,000
about this verse. 
This is the this is the key 

782
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,080
verse for Joey Martin's stand 
firm and act like men book. 

783
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:33,720
So we we've gone through this 
backwards and forwards, but that

784
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,520
that be watchful part. 
If I wasn't, if I wasn't alert 

785
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:44,280
and aware of what was happening 
in and around my family in that 

786
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,920
moment, I would not have been 
ready to react. 

787
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:53,040
If, if that car was sin or 
death, I mean quite literally in

788
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,440
that moment, possibly death. 
But but if that was sin or 

789
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,680
death, wanting to assault, 
coming to assault, entering into

790
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:08,440
the proximity of my family, how 
do I react as father, husband, 

791
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,560
shepherd of that household? 
Am I ready to react? 

792
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,440
Am I ready to? 
Am I watchful and I am I 

793
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:22,160
standing firm in those things to
protect my family and am I, am I

794
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,120
reacting rightly? 
Am I ready to react? 

795
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Is, is basically what it was 
coming out for. 

796
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,320
So after I after I calmed down 
from that moment, like I had, I 

797
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,240
had some of those, I had some of
those things. 

798
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:42,040
But guys, men, fathers 
perspective fathers, husbands, 

799
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:50,440
is there sin there threatening 
your family, threatening death, 

800
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,000
really on on your family? 
And it could be it doesn't even 

801
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,960
have to be your sin necessarily.
Not that we ever have a sin 

802
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,760
really licked, but but I get 
that. 

803
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,160
There's seasons where it feels 
like no man, like there's not, 

804
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,760
there's not stuff hanging over 
me right now like I'm I'm good. 

805
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,840
We're in step of the spirit. 
This is things are good with the

806
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,200
wife, good with the kids. 
Like it could be someone else's 

807
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,720
saying it could be a barreling 
car out of nowhere bringing sin 

808
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:23,120
and disaster to your household. 
Are you watchful? 

809
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,640
Are you ready to stand firm in 
opposition to that? 

810
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,440
Wow. 
You know, you, you made me think

811
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,600
quite quickly. 
You know, if you're raising 

812
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,960
kids, for example, and maybe 
they're teenagers, do you know 

813
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,440
their friends? 
Not that you have to micromanage

814
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,360
who they're friends with dads. 
But do you know? 

815
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,720
But do you know them? 
Do you know who they're hanging 

816
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:43,960
out with? 
Do you know that kind of stuff? 

817
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,600
Are you being watchful? 
Are you guarding their hearts 

818
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,640
from friends or potential 
boyfriends, girlfriends, all 

819
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,040
that kind of stuff? 
Are you watchful? 

820
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,480
Are you guarding their hearts? 
Are you doing that with your 

821
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,320
spouse? 
You know, are you watchful for 

822
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,280
how she comes home from work and
what she kind of tells you about

823
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,840
this boss or this Co worker? 
Like are you, are you watchful 

824
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,440
of their heart? 
And and that is as men, like we 

825
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,360
need to guard the hearts of our 
family pretty closely. 

826
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,600
Again, you're never a 
micromanager. 

827
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,960
You're not telling them 
necessarily what they can or 

828
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,680
can't do. 
Not necessarily. 

829
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,360
But I mean, like, are you 
watchful? 

830
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,840
Are you, are you the vigilant 1 
standing firm for them? 

831
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,640
I hope so. 
Yeah, I hope so. 

832
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,400
Yeah, that's what we're it's 
what we're called to, 

833
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,840
definitely. 
So the actual Mere Mortal Monday

834
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,960
takes some summing up the the 
sermon in one sentence, which 

835
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,920
isn't easy. 
But for for mere mortals this 

836
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,000
Monday, what was the point of 
this week? 

837
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,080
God's design for men is strength
and love, courage and 

838
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,920
gentleness, work and worship. 
This is God's design. 

839
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,840
That's it. 
There. 

840
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,760
It is, yeah. 
That's all we've got for this 

841
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,760
week on the ERC leftovers. 
Thanks for hanging with us. 

842
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,040
Church next week, Biblical 
womanhood, Chris, going to take 

843
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,680
a crack at that. 
And. 

844
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,880
Pray for me. 
Yeah, no, it'll be great. 

845
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,280
It'll be stated. 
It'll be stated humbly, if 

846
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
anything. 
Terribly humbly, yes. 

847
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,280
Yeah, lots of things coming up 
in church life. 

848
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,760
The month of May is packed with 
a confirmation Sunday and 

849
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,400
Mother's Day and graduation 
Sunday as well. 

850
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,120
So lots of things coming up. 
Family bingo this Friday. 

851
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,600
Oh yeah. 
Yeah, we love doing life and 

852
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,960
community with you all. 
Church, if you would like to 

853
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,560
join a life group, please find 
Kristen or Lissa at the 

854
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,840
Connection Center on Sunday 
mornings and we can get you 

855
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,600
connected with community outside
of just Sunday mornings. 

856
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,640
We'd love for you to be known. 
The New to ERC Luncheon is 

857
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,920
coming up this Sunday as well. 
If you feel like you're new or 

858
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,120
just we don't know you and you 
would like us to know you come 

859
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:00,240
to the New to ERC Luncheon after
church this Sunday, April 19th. 

860
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,200
We'd love to see you there. 
Until then, have a blessed week.

