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Happy Monday, we are back in 
with the ERC leftovers. 

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I'm Pastor Matt. 
Pastor Chris. 

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Is here as well. 
Here we go. 

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Bringing all his math problems. 
Get it? 

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It's a pun. 
Oh, Oh, well played. 

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Problems with math. 
Do I? 

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I mean, maybe, maybe you might 
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that. 
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and I was, I was just here 
attending church yesterday 

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because I was supposed to be 
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was back a day early. 
So I just came with my family to

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church and wasn't working, 
wasn't doing, wasn't doing 

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songs, wasn't preaching. 
We just got to be a part of 

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church with y'all and it was 
great. 

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But during the first service, 
your batteries died in your 

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headset microphone. 
We'll get to that later. 

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That wasn't, that wasn't the 
math part of it. 

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We'll, we'll explain some of the
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that. 
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you were kind of, you gave us 
your, your outline like you 

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usually do of where of where 
we're going. 

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But you only had two points this
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But part of your rationale was 
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three points, like that's the 
classic format for a sermon. 

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And last week you said last week
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this week to average it out? 
Did I say average or balance? 

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I don't know. 
I, I, I'm pretty sure you, you 

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said average, average it out. 
And, and like, I don't know what

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sort of new age math they got 
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like when I was growing up, the 
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numbers, like you got to, you 
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If 2, the average of 2 numbers 
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So you're, you're 5 + 2 seven 
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I just, well, it got me a little
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It's just like the American 
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American family has 2 1/2 
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How does that work? 
Perfect. 

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So, you know, I'm just doing 
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So there you go. 
That's that's how I justify 

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that. 
It just, it got me distracted. 

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So, but that's usually what we 
what we do here on the Leftovers

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We're just, yeah, highlighting 

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the distraction. 
So there we go. 

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Anyway, we got a couple segments
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to reviewing the weekend 
message, you closed out our 

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maiden His Image series. 
We talked, we preached on 

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manhood and womanhood and now 
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posture of childhood for all of 
us to our Heavenly Father. 

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So you wrapped us up real well 
yesterday. 

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Good work on that. 
Thank you for that. 

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And so we're going to get to 
we're going to get to that and 

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some more thoughts on oh, I left
my notes. 

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Where did my Oh no, I left my 
question somewhere. 

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It's out there. 
I'll get it. 

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We have we have some listener 
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to the message and we're going 
to do our top five top five 

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jokes. 
I'm going to say top five dad 

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jokes because they're going to 
be groaners, but because you 

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also later on in the message, in
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later on in the message, your 
your batteries died in your 

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headset. 
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and I appreciated how you like 
you saw read a little bit. 

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You were like, oh, no, I need to
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I need to not do things while 
while this is being fixed. 

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But you said to everyone you're 
like I'm not just like a walking

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stand up show. 
I don't I don't have any jokes. 

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I have nothing to fill this time
as as JT is swapping out here. 

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You know, and that's the thing, 
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honestly, I would, I would have 
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know it wouldn't have been 
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I would have been comfortable 
just keep going and using using 

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what I call gym teacher voice 
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think the people in the back of 
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microphone. 
You're pretty loud. 

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Yeah, so here we are. 
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was like, Oh no, we probably 
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So then I just got to kill time 
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casually Saunders up to go get 
new batteries. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
It's fine. 

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You, you, you saved it and you 
saved the moment. 

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Well, also yesterday, just 
thanks for listening in and 

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supporting the show and just 
kind of, yeah, tune it in for 

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your goofy pastors on a Monday, 
decompressing after the weekend.

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But it's funny to me how many of
you are listening to and not not

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only listening to and consuming 
the show. 

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I'm going to give a shout out to
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me. 
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yesterday. 
He was serving as a as a greeter

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yesterday. 
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after we had walked in with the 
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And he points back to the van 
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fill out of your van. 
Just like razzing me, razzing me

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about our sock conversation last
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them not being in Paris. 
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is like that's he he was he was 
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podcast like John, that's AI 
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Like that's a pretty standard 
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could definitely be we get out 
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just like there's a random sock 
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So like I thought he was dead 
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easily just be my life. 
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Pretty legit, I like that. 
He also brought my son Oliver. 

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Are we getting is there purple 
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Is that happening? 
I I will make sure that goes in 

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this week, but I have to take 
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empty out but. 
I will do it. 

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We got to sell that on and this 
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I'm just letting you. 
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family units that have brought 
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So, and and this was also John 
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Wow. 
Well, good on him, yeah. 

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So anyway, Oliver's purple crush
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is alive and well, going 
successful. 

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Yeah, thanks. 
He feels feels like he has power

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and influence, so that's good. 
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worked out. 
Yeah, so anyway, crazy good 

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Sunday. 
Thanks for being a part of the 

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community and jumping in on the 
the podcast The Leftovers. 

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Here we're going to jump into 
some dad jokes we each have, we 

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each have 5 that we're going to 
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So we kept them, we kept them 
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appropriate as we do on the 
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And here's the thing, maybe 
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some of these. 
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something goes sideways and I 
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can actually like, have some 
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just make people either really 
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seats, I'm not sure which. 
That's what we're going for. 

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We're trying to give you give 
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time the batteries die. 
So here we go. 

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All right, Why don't you? 
Why don't you start us off? 

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Sweet. 
Well, friend, I actually told my

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doctor I broke my arm in two 
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What did he say? 
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places, Of course. 
That's what he told me. 

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Of course, of course. 
All right, my, my #5 why did the

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old man fall down the well? 
I don't, I don't know. 

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Because he couldn't see that 
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Really. 
You don't say? 

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All right, all right, touché. 
Here's my next one. 

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I made a belt out of watches 
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be a waste of time. 
I love that one. 

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That one's so good. 
I love that one so much so bad. 

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All right, I'm reading a book on
anti gravity. 

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It's impossible to put down. 
Oh, come on. 

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Come on, man. 
Come. 

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On OK these are so bad. 
I like that one a lot. 

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OK, well my wife told me to stop
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Did you? 
Did I stop? 

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Why are you? 
Impersonating I'm. 

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Sorry, ultimately I just 
ultimately I just had to put my 

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foot down. 
Yes, yes. 

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OK, well I have one about my 
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Not really my wife, but it's a 
wife joke. 

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I told my wife she was drawing 
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She looked surprised. 
Yes. 

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OK, my wife does not draw. 
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love. 
That that's your favorite? 

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I love that one of all the 
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actually love that one. 
All right, all. 

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Right, we've got two more. 
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least favorite room? 
I don't know. 

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The living room. 
I wanted to say the closet. 

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Like what? 
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the closet and they don't like 
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It's not the living room. 
That makes a lot more sense. 

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They'd be very uncomfortable in 
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There we go. 
All right, why can't you hear a 

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pterodactyl go to the bathroom? 
What? 

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Because the P is silent. 
That's a you made a pee joke 

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you. 
Made a dinosaur joke. 

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You made a dinosaur pee joke. 
I didn't know that exactly. 

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All the five year old boys are 
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There you go joke for them. 
I'm. 

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Pleased by that one. 
All right, so there you go. 

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OK, my last one is a biblical 
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Oh, OK. 
Why couldn't Jonah trust the 

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ocean? 
Why? 

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Because he knew there was 
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It OK feel like you could know 
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whale, but that's fine. 
Probably. 

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All right, last one. 
And I've heard this one so many 

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times in my life and it gets me 
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But what's brown and sticky? 
Oh girl, what? 

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A stick. 
Duh. 

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Sticky OK, OK, you clearly had 
my brain going in a different 

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direction. 
On that one, that's what that 

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one does yeah, so good if you 
need any yeah, if you need any 

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little zinger one liner funny 
jokes, there's there's 10 for 

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you. 
There's a 10 pack only on the 

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ERC leftovers. 
We are creating high quality 

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content all of the time. 
So good. 

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Oh my goodness. 
We also have a listener 

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submitted set of questions 
directly in response to your 

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message yesterday. 
Now it's not. 

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Oh, it's not about the part of 
the message that you might 

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think. 
OK, but where are we going? 

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The questions are about your 
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love your snooze alarm and how 
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The king of the snooze button 
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Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 42 
minutes I think. 

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Yeah, it was. 
It was crazy. 

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I mean, on a Sunday, on other 
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normal ish for me, but on a 
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So I really missed it. 
But it was all fine. 

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It was OK. 
This is kind of going to be a 

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combination of listeners, 
submitted questions and and 

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adulting with Pastor Matt. 
We're not going to play the 

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music, but like I have thoughts 
about your snooze alarm habits 

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so. 
We're not going to play the 

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music. 
I love the adulting with Pastor 

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Matt. 
It's like not a full-fledged 

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adulting though. 
I don't, I don't have a huge 

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rant. 
I just, it's more of a personal,

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I just need you to get your life
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Believe me, you won't be the 
first person who's tried and 

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failed. 
So in response to your setting 

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42 minutes worth of snooze 
alarms, this this listener 

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asked, Do you set an alarm? 
Indeed I do. 

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OK, so like walk me through that
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preaching. 
Do you have a routine? 

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What is when do you get to 
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So what time is the alarm set? 
OK, so getting to church varies 

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between anywhere from 6:00 AM 
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Even on a preaching Sunday. 
Even on a preaching Sunday. 

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Now, if I show up at 7:00 AM on 
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did in fact do something wrong 
prior to arrival. 

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Because ideally. 
Something went wrong. 

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Something went wrong, like 
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bunch of times and over sleeping
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That's what went wrong yesterday
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I don't know if it's 659 or 7 on
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So that's a little late for me 
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Sunday that's perfectly fine. 
But preaching Sundays, I like to

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have a little bit more prep 
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So you were on, you were on 
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alarm was set. 
You were on track for about a 

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6:18 arrival yesterday morning. 
What time is the alarm set then?

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Typically, like on Sundays, it's
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kind of feel that out between 
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there. 
Again, I'm really working this 

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down to the absolute last 
moment. 

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All right, further question 
because I have more questions 

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actually on this. 
Just knowing your non morning 

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person proclivities, do you set 
an alarm? 

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What days of the week do you set
an alarm? 

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Only the days I have to it's a. 
Very diplomatic answer. 

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Sir. 
Excuse me. 

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So I'll name the days that I 
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obviously. 
Mondays we have staff meeting. 

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Elder board meetings on 
Saturdays. 

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Oh my God. 
Once a month, that's your worst 

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day, right? 
7:00 AM. 

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That hurts my soul so badly to 
set that early of an alarm on a 

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Saturday. 
Like it. 

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It breaks me every time. 
There's at least half the people

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listening there. 
Like that's, that's not early. 

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I know, I know. 
Well, the two kinds of people 

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thing right and well, but here's
the thing. 

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Maybe it's easier if I say it 
this way. 

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Like on Wednesdays, I basically 
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second shift. 
So I'll come in around noon 

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knowing that I'm going to be in 
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PM Sure, right. 
OK, great. 

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I don't set an alarm on 
Wednesdays. 

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Sure. 
Because I. 

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Will wake up. 
Yeah, I'm not sleeping till 

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noon. 
Come on, friends, that's not 

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happening. 
So, you know. 

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But yeah, typically Saturdays, 
Wednesdays, there's no alarm. 

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Why would there be an alarm? 
An alarm is to rouse me to a 

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waking state, which I don't want
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OK. 
There we are. 

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So OK, you do set an alarm. 
That was the answer to the 

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three-part question. 
So you do you do set an alarm on

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select days when you need to? 
OK, so if so, if the answer is 

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yes, should an adult use this 
news? 

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Very pointed. 
I'm reading this verbatim. 

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I didn't edit this. 
Oh my God. 

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The question is, should an adult
use this news? 

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And I do have a bit of a follow 
up on that. 

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I I feel like the adult part is 
interesting. 

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Is a child, I guess children use
alarms sometimes. 

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Like what? 
I mean teenage phase. 

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Do they, they're acting like an 
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child. 
So I yeah, OK. 

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Should a person? 
I feel like it should be Should 

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someone use this news? 
Let me push back on this a 

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little bit. 
Like the snooze button and 

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shouldn't even be used at all. 
I mean, come on, man. 

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Sometimes I'm just, I'm just 
being very honest here. 

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Sometimes that thing hits and 
I'm like, if I attempt to become

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a human and awake human right 
now, it is going to go very 

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badly for me and for everybody 
else. 

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I need like a few more minutes, 
like I need to wake up to the 

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idea of waking up. 
Do you know what I mean? 

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I don't know if that makes any 
sense to you, but that's how I 

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operate and how I work that 
through. 

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I hear what you're saying. 
I would push back with a little 

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bit of like what I would say is 
reality. 

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Chris, you are not living in. 
Reality you're not snoozing is 

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like one of the most unhealthy 
things you can do for your 

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psychological and biological 
rhythms throughout the day. 

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Once you're but what, because 
you don't really go back to 

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sleep like you don't really 
fully go back to sleep and you 

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start immediately messing with 
circadian rhythms and and things

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like that. 
So I'm just saying what's what's

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healthier? 
And yes, you might justify it 

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with AI need to wake up to the 
idea of waking up. 

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But what would be better is say 
you say you set your alarm at 

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5:30 and you didn't actually get
up until 615. 

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Biologically, psychologically it
it would have been better for 

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you to just set one alarm at 
6:15 and actually get up. 

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Oh wow. 
Like that's significantly 

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measurable that yes. 
I had no idea, I just learned 

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something new. 
To using is not a healthy habit 

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so that would like I hear your 
rebuttal that it helps you ease 

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into waking up, but you've 
clearly established is not 

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something that you want to do or
be be a part of doing. 

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But that would be that would be 
my critique of I would say no, 

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an adult should not use the 
snooze to to this question. 

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You should it would be better to
plan your absolute worst case 

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like if that that would be what 
I do push if you are planning 

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when you're setting your alarm 
based on yeah, but I'm going to 

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snooze and be in a relatively 
comatose state for 45 minutes. 

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No, you should just, you should 
just skip that and put your 

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alarm for your drop dead moment 
because would you bolt awake at 

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6:15 like? 
I mean, yeah, and. 

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That's something like so. 
So that's the thing when, when, 

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when I realized what I had done,
I was like, I got to go. 

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And so then, then like we're, 
we're moving quick now. 

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Right. 
So that's what I would encourage

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you just for your for set the 
alarm for your last minute 

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moment that will get you up and 
start getting some healthier 

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habits there. 
So yeah, you're well, actually. 

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That's actually great. 
I I like that I learned 

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something today. 
That that was why we didn't play

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the full music. 
It was just the little the 

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little adulting nugget there for
you. 

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So OK, follow up question about 
the snooze. 

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Oh here we go. 
This feels like it got personal.

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Follow up question, Is hitting 
the snooze button considerate of

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your sleeping spouse? 
It feels very pointed. 

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And again, I'm reading this. 
I'm reading this verbatim. 

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Oh my gosh. 
Well, that's. 

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A red that's. 
So harsh. 

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That's so harsh. 
OK, that's fine. 

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Someone's looking out for your 
wife. 

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Apparently. 
But here's the thing. 

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And, and maybe she would push 
back on this, but she has never 

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once brought it up to me in our 
very long lives together that 

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that is bothersome to her. 
Now maybe she's just an 

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incredibly patient and kind 
person, but she has never once 

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brought it to my attention that 
hey, you know, your alarm going 

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off like 4 times before you 
actually, you know, fall out of 

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bed. 
That's not good for me. 

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She has never said that to me 
and. 

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And you've always been this way,
so it's. 

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Always. 
Oh my gosh, I yes. 

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It's always been something she 
could have said was a problem. 

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Yes, well, maybe now after 
hearing this, she will. 

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She'll be like, you know what? 
I've been waiting to say this to

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you for 25 years. 
Oh my gosh. 

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Can you admit did this and 
submit these questions? 

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That would be funny that 
actually I don't think she did. 

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You said it's not her 
handwriting, so we know that 

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it's not, but that's. 
But that would be really funny 

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if she had like. 
This is her roundabout way. 

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Someone else to write the 
question so you wouldn't 

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recognize her handwriting. 
She is at the connections desk. 

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She's right there. 
I wonder. 

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Oh my gosh, now I've got a 
conspiracy theory. 

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Wow. 
Yeah, so there we go. 

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Little Yikes. 
We got to turn to the word of 

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God here. 
We're just we're poking fun of 

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Pastor Chris this morning, I 
feel like. 

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It's OK, I don't mind. 
You had us in John chapter 8 and

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one for there's plenty of 
passages on childhood and 

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children of God. 
These are the these are the two 

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that you focused on and you came
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passage from John 8 and your 
your, one of your first points 

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was that Jesus says there are 
only two spiritual families. 

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You are either children of God 
or children of the devil. 

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Yeah, and if you think about 
this logically, find elsewhere 

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where Jesus says I am, the way, 
the truth and the life. 

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No one comes to the Father 
except through me. 

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Therefore there is no middle 
ground between heaven and hell. 

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Again, I think I maybe mentioned
it yesterday. 

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It's not as though if we die and
where we weren't quote UN quote 

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bad people, but we also weren't 
believers in Jesus, that we just

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kind of float in this weird 
middle ground. 

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That's that's not a thing that 
happens. 

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And so therefore there are only 
two spiritual families. 

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And it's interesting in this 
text that in the midst of people

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who had been kind of following 
him or believing in him, the 

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conversation goes in this 
direction. 

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And he just, he just names their
heart. 

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Because, you know, as we learned
throughout the New Testament, 

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some people were following Jesus
just because, for lack of a 

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better phrase, they wanted to 
see the show. 

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They wanted to see the next 
miracle or they wanted to be fed

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or whatever, you know, 
physically fed. 

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And so, you know, Jesus, he has 
certain breaking points with 

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groups of people where he's 
just, he's going to name their 

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heart position. 
And, you know, some people hear 

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that kind of law and they'll 
repent and they they can, they 

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can still have that relationship
with Jesus. 

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Other people, they get highly 
defensive. 

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And you know, Jesus has clearly 
pushed a button on where they're

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placing their identity. 
And certainly this is one of 

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those things. 
And so it was just a really 

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interesting moment to to dive 
into. 

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Yeah, there's not really an 
allowable like I'll get around 

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to it. 
When it comes to knowing the 

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truth about Jesus, like you, you
either you either know and have 

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heard what Jesus has done for 
you and you've and you've 

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accepted it and living your life
in such a way that is a response

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to that, or you've heard this 
truth and you've rejected it. 

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There there isn't. 
And it can be. 

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So it can also be that 
instantaneous that there there 

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isn't this waiting period. 
It's not, it's not like you're 

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sending in your Christian 
application and we'll get back 

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to you in three to five business
days on whether like no, you can

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respond to the good news of, of 
what Jesus has done for you in 

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that instant and be on team 
Jesus, be child of God in that 

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moment. 
But up to and until the point 

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that you are, you're not you're 
you're, you're on, you're on the

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other team. 
You're, you're child, that child

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of the devil, child of the 
father of, of lies. 

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And you, you said it, you said 
it less harshly than I would 

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have yesterday, But but but like
it was, it was still, it was 

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still pointed. 
And I think the more, the more I

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thought about it, it actually 
made me think about Matthew 5 

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where Jesus talks about love 
your enemies and pray for those 

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who persecute you, those of us 
who are children of God. 

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I'm not saying that we should 
look upon with hostility those 

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that are not children of God. 
But when it comes, if we're 

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following this line of logic, 
they are an enemy like the the 

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Father God and the devil are 
enemies. 

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So thereby their, their 
children, like again, there's, 

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there's not this like they're, 
they're fine that like they're, 

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they're OK. 
No, like we want, we want them 

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to be on team Jesus. 
So what? 

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So where does that, that that 
should give us a sense of 

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urgency of like, OK, if, if God 
isn't their father, Well, we, I 

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want you to know God is your 
father, like, and, and I and I 

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want that to happen today 
because right now the devil is 

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your father and we and we want 
to fix that, but it should also,

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I think, give us I, I also don't
think we take it that seriously.

451
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,080
The influence is either on 
ourselves or may or maybe on our

452
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,200
children or our family or our 
friends that aren't of God. 

453
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,440
Because the other part of this 
passage is it's, it's either 

454
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,840
from God or it's from the devil.
There's not this middle neutral 

455
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,600
ground that you're not being 
pulled one way or the other. 

456
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,160
And that goes for the everything
we can encounter in this life. 

457
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,720
It's either pulling you closer 
to God or pulling you away from 

458
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,120
God. 
There's not just like you're in 

459
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:17,200
in a holding pattern here. 
So I, I, it made me think about 

460
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,360
just like with the urgency 
again, not that not that we 

461
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:23,360
should be hostile of people, but
maybe the guardedness that we 

462
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:27,640
should have of the influence of 
people on our lives, people who 

463
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,360
are not children of God. 
Again, I'm not saying we treat 

464
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:38,160
them as less than or that that 
we openly fight against them or 

465
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,480
treat them as enemies, but I do 
think we should, I mean, have, 

466
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,120
yeah, have a little more 
guardedness about that and, and 

467
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,280
prioritize kind of like you 
talked about last week. 

468
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Well, who is my mother and 
brother and my sister? 

469
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,440
Well, it's, it's those that it's
those that have faith in God 

470
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,640
that that Jesus talked about. 
This is this is our family first

471
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,560
based on relationship with God. 
So. 

472
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,840
Well, you're correct. 
In response to some of that, I 

473
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,040
would have to say, you know, the
Sermon on the Mount, for 

474
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,720
example. 
What does Jesus say to do to 

475
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,240
your enemies? 
So that's. 

476
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,080
True love your enemies. 
Pray for those who persecute. 

477
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,720
You, yeah, love your enemies. 
Pray for those. 

478
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,440
So in the sense that, yes, is 
the devil, is Satan an enemy to 

479
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,480
God? 
Absolutely. 

480
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,120
Because he's trying to tear down
what he's created, primarily US,

481
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,840
made in his image. 
He is trying to tear us down and

482
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,000
to draw us into or rather away 
from a relationship with God. 

483
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,960
Now, as we talk about that, then
how then do we treat our quote 

484
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,160
UN quote enemies? 
Well, we're to love them, pray 

485
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,440
for them. 
And so it's not so much an US 

486
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,400
versus them. 
It's us and let's bring them in 

487
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,040
US and bring them in. 
And so as we've even talked 

488
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,800
about around this building now 
for almost a year, who's your 

489
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,200
one more? 
Well, you can't have your one 

490
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,400
more isn't somebody who's 
already a Christian. 

491
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,520
You're one more is somebody who 
doesn't yet know Christ. 

492
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,120
Who can you bring into the fold?
Who can you be disciple and who 

493
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,320
can you be drawing to that 
relationship with the Father? 

494
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,800
Now all this to say too, I 
understand because I have been 

495
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,840
in this world 45 years and for 
25 of those I wasn't a 

496
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,080
Christian. 
So I understand that to a high 

497
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:33,120
degree how grading this is. 
I do like how seemingly 

498
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:37,240
unnuanced it seems because 
again, that kind of leading out 

499
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,840
with the there's two kinds of 
people. 

500
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Again, some of that just doesn't
work. 

501
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,520
But Jesus says, I don't care if 
you think this works. 

502
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,520
This is the way it is. 
And again, I understand how 

503
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,200
grading that is. 
And in a, in a former, you know,

504
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,920
in a, in a previous life before 
I was in a Christian, I would 

505
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,440
have felt extremely like that 
would have, that would have 

506
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,480
really hit me in the face. 
And I would have had one of two 

507
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,040
options. 
I would have either had to have 

508
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,880
struggled through thinking about
that as a potential truth, or I 

509
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,520
would have just outright 
rejected it and said, this is, 

510
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,360
this is baloney there. 
There has to be if, if God is 

511
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,040
all loving again, not knowing 
him, if God is perfectly loving,

512
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760
he'll know that I'm a pretty 
decent person and that will be 

513
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,880
fine, right? 
I've tried. 

514
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,800
I'm a pretty decent person. 
It's going to be fine because I 

515
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,920
tried and I'm not as bad as so 
and so. 

516
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,320
So I can absolutely see from a 
non Christian perspective how 

517
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,880
Jesus's words here, how his, I 
said it, capital T truth, man, 

518
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,360
that that's going to hit hard. 
And you can either accept that 

519
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,840
or reject that at any given 
point. 

520
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,480
Yeah. 
So let's jump into the Scripture

521
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,440
here. 
John 8. 

522
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,280
They answered him. 
I was starting at verse 39. 

523
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,040
They answered him, Abraham is 
our father. 

524
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,520
And Jesus said to them, if you 
were Abraham's children, you 

525
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,160
would be doing the works Abraham
did. 

526
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,000
But now you seek to kill me, a 
man who has told you the truth 

527
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,160
that I heard from God. 
This is not what Abraham did. 

528
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,960
You are doing the works your 
father did. 

529
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,120
They said to him, we are not 
born of sexual immorality with 

530
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,280
one father, even God. 
Then Jesus said to them, if God 

531
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,520
were your Father, you would love
me for I came from God and I am 

532
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,520
here. 
I came out of my own accord, but

533
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,920
he sent me this one. 
One of one of your early points 

534
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,520
to that the loving Jesus as the 
first Test that also struck me 

535
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,000
in the moment and thinking about
it yesterday morning and and 

536
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,400
since then today like that is 
our biggest downfall. 

537
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,840
The things we choose to love 
more than Jesus or the things 

538
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,360
that we choose or decide that we
think we can bear better than 

539
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,200
Jesus can. 
We don't have the humility to 

540
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,880
express our need or even accept 
the gift right? 

541
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,080
And and that, and that's what he
that's what he's at whatever 

542
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,920
point here, you've put something
before God. 

543
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,720
You're not submitting to the 
words that I'm saying. 

544
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,720
You're saying you love God, but 
you can't do both those things. 

545
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,400
I think it's so funny how often 
in Scripture, Jesus, just like 

546
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,600
he points out how they've 
answered their with their own 

547
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,480
logic. 
Well, like you said, you say you

548
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,760
love God, but God standing right
in front of you and you don't 

549
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,160
love him. 
You're not you're not loving 

550
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,320
him. 
So what are you doing? 

551
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,560
And that's so sad. 
I, I think about that those 

552
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,360
people who got to meet Jesus in 
person, who saw miracles, who 

553
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600
heard him teach and they just 
look at him dead in the face and

554
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,520
say, Nope, not you. 
And that's, I don't know, I 

555
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,760
don't know how, I don't know how
you deal with that, you know, 

556
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080
and, and I think that's, that's 
pretty rough. 

557
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,360
You would like to think, and I 
think most modern people would 

558
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,160
like to think, and we talked 
about this. 

559
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Well, I would believe if God 
just showed up and told me who 

560
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880
he was. 
Well, he did do that. 

561
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,600
And there's still hundreds, if 
not maybe thousands of people 

562
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,360
who heard him, saw him and just 
said, Nope, not me, not for me. 

563
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,120
I've got a different path I want
to go. 

564
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,040
And he doesn't sound like he's 
preaching the path that I want 

565
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440
to walk down. 
And that's wildly unfortunate, 

566
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,240
but that's where that that 
truth. 

567
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Can we bear his word? 
Do I? 

568
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440
And I think I I don't know if I 
said it during both services, 

569
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,920
but the Bible reads us. 
The Bible reads us. 

570
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,920
Yeah. 
We think we're reading the 

571
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,840
Bible, but God is reading us 
when? 

572
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,320
When we're in his word. 
And are we allowing the Bible to

573
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,440
read us and to examine us and to
ask us questions about our lives

574
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,680
and our priorities? 
Because as much as we want to 

575
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,120
learn and all that kind of 
stuff, are you letting the Bible

576
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,600
read you? 
Yeah. 

577
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:01,760
That's really good in that you 
talked about bearing God's word.

578
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Where do you find it hardest to 
let Scripture confront you? 

579
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,320
Was one of your one of your 
discussion questions? 

580
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,960
I think that's a really good 
thing to to reflect and and just

581
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,880
consider, especially in our in 
our in our own lives. 

582
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,400
We don't like being confronted 
by truth that exposes our 

583
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,240
weakness, right? 
Nobody does, even even the play 

584
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,720
the playful jab about your 
rounding error of averages like 

585
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,920
or. 
Hitting the snooze button or. 

586
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Right. 
It's that's we we don't we don't

587
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,720
like that we don't we don't like
the truth exposing weakness, but

588
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,040
it is an important part of the 
Christian walk to to bear God's 

589
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,000
word as Jesus talks about here. 
But ultimately understanding 

590
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,760
that it's that he's the perfect 
fulfillment of the law. 

591
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,720
The things that point out our 
weakness is is why he came to 

592
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,800
save why he came to fulfill 
those things in our lives. 

593
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,240
So, yeah, just want to encourage
you all in that, that being 

594
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,880
confronted by truth, by guilt, 
whether it's in your reading of 

595
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,880
God's Word or from a message on 
Sunday morning, that's not, and 

596
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,560
it shouldn't be an immediate 
turn. 

597
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,800
I know it doesn't feel good, but
it shouldn't be like an 

598
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,120
immediate closed door to things.
God's Word is there to convict 

599
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,640
and teach and train up in 
righteousness. 

600
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,920
And Proverbs talks often about, 
you know, this wisdom literature

601
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,120
talks often about being able to 
receive critique. 

602
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,880
You know, the the wisest people 
in the world's are the constant 

603
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,120
learners who don't become 
immediately defensive when 

604
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,040
confronted about something. 
Because quite frankly, if there 

605
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,240
is in fact good solid biblical 
reason to be doing XYZ thing or 

606
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600
not doing XYZ thing, well, then 
you'll be able to say that. 

607
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,720
And then you can actually 
correct your brother or sister 

608
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,639
who brought the criticism. 
And if you can't justify that in

609
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,440
a meaningful way, well, man, now
you have an opportunity to learn

610
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,600
and to grow. 
And, and I think that's we have 

611
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,120
to be lifetime learners because 
if we're, if we're not, what 

612
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,679
are, what are we really doing? 
You know, I just, I, I've always

613
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,800
felt that way. 
Even before I was a Christian 

614
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,320
and I was in public education, I
always believed that there were 

615
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,800
ways and possibilities for me to
get better at what I was doing 

616
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,840
every single day. 
And, and part of that certainly 

617
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,000
was receiving critique from 
trusted people. 

618
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,880
So when my principal came in and
I thought it was a big deal and 

619
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,520
the first time he came into my 
classroom to observe, I went 

620
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,120
back to his office thinking, 
man, I crushed that thing. 

621
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,560
This guy is going to be so 
happy. 

622
00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:02,000
He hired me and he had five 
pages of notes 5 and he just 

623
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,880
rattled it off and I was just, I
was blown away. 

624
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,320
It actually like again, it, it 
hit me hard. 

625
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,760
I was like, maybe I shouldn't be
a teacher. 

626
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,120
That was the first thing I went 
to because I knew everything he 

627
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120
was saying was true. 
Everything, every critique he 

628
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,600
had about how I was running my 
classroom, it was true. 

629
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,120
And I thought, man, maybe I 
shouldn't be a teacher. 

630
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,400
But that's not what he was 
trying to get to. 

631
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,840
He was trying to make a version 
of Chris Hartley as a public 

632
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,440
educator that he could see. 
In other words, think about an 

633
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,360
artist who sees a rough block of
stone. 

634
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,440
They can see something special 
inside, but it's going to have 

635
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,600
to be shaped. 
It's going to have to be 

636
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,280
chiseled down. 
Or as Jesus would talk about 

637
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,840
sometimes we've got a, oh, 
what's the word I'm thinking of?

638
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,640
We've got to cut back the Bush a
little bit so it can actually 

639
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,800
grow better. 
Right. 

640
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Trim. 
Prune. 

641
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Yeah, we've got a prune and that
principle, he was critiquing me.

642
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,160
He was pruning me so that I 
could become what he knew I 

643
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,440
could be. 
And in the same way, as we 

644
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,480
interact with other Christians, 
as we interact with God's Word, 

645
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,760
God's word, and those well 
meaning Christians, when they 

646
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,720
give us something, criticism or 
whatever, I believe that is an 

647
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,080
opportunity to be pruned and to 
grow better than what you were 

648
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,960
before. 
Now every person who critiques 

649
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,920
you, is that something you have 
to take on? 

650
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,240
No, because not every person who
critiques you has the right end 

651
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,360
in mind. 
So then there's some wisdom in 

652
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,120
weighing out, do I receive this 
critique or do I reject it? 

653
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,000
And so any sense of rejection 
ought not to come from our 

654
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,320
pride. 
It ought to come from. 

655
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,840
Does this line up with where God
is taking me? 

656
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,480
Right. 
And that's why it's important 

657
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,320
that we go through this process 
that you just described. 

658
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,120
It's a great metaphor analogy 
for how it worked in your, in 

659
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,240
your professional life. 
But that principle had this 

660
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:53,760
standard of like, if, if you did
this, if you corrected this, if 

661
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,960
you refined this, this is how 
it's going to go better for you.

662
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,760
That's God's word in, in our 
lives. 

663
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,840
And your posture, what I love 
about that story is you had a 

664
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,280
posture of humility. 
You you had a you had a posture 

665
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,480
of openness to correction in 
that. 

666
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,760
And that's essentially you 
talked about Keller's quote. 

667
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,680
The gospel is not primarily 
something you do. 

668
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,640
It's something you receive 
paired with Augustine's 

669
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,080
reflection of Christ is received
by the humble. 

670
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,880
We have to have that posture. 
We have to hold to that I am, I 

671
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,720
am not enough and it's OK and 
that that hits some of you. 

672
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,240
You don't like you don't like 
saying those words either that I

673
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,760
am not enough. 
You like to think that you're 

674
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,360
enough. 
I like to think that I'm enough.

675
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,400
There's a lot of freedom in the 
realization that I am not 

676
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,000
enough. 
But Christ has done it all that 

677
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,720
there. 
There's a lot of relief in that 

678
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,680
so. 
You know, I think it's 

679
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,280
interesting that you and I, we, 
we have these careers called 

680
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,800
ministry. 
You know, I think somebody else 

681
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,080
has once said you're a 
professional Christian, which I 

682
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,480
actually kind of find amusing, 
but OK. 

683
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,880
But anyway, you know, yes, I 
get, we get to teach and 

684
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,440
proclaim a lot, but man, if I 
ever think I'm the teacher and 

685
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,640
the Bible is not the teacher, 
I'm the one receiving from God's

686
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,680
Word and then just kind of 
disseminating this information 

687
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,200
out. 
But I'm being taught by God's 

688
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,560
word every single day. 
I am not the teacher. 

689
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,440
I am the one who just parses out
and gives the relevant 

690
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,480
information. 
But the Bible, God is the 

691
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,120
teacher, not me. 
So I need to be able to receive 

692
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,160
that critique all the time. 
Yeah. 

693
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,640
And it's ironic that we need to 
as preachers, teachers, we need 

694
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,200
to faithfully hold to that 
humble posture that I'm not, I'm

695
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,240
not adding to God's word. 
God's word isn't all of a sudden

696
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:56,960
made powerful because of my 
interpretation or my application

697
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,800
to your life or this real life 
story analogy that I worked at. 

698
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,280
No, like God's word and truth is
enough to work in and through 

699
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,160
you to work redemption and 
reconciliation in the in the 

700
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,280
darkest fissures of your life 
and and to do that on its own. 

701
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,600
But we all need we need to 
constantly be in a submission to

702
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,240
that, that that's if that's what
that capital T truth says. 

703
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,120
If it says jump, I say how hot, 
like that's awesome. 

704
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,120
That's that's what the truth of 
God has to be. 

705
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,520
And it's so I really think that 
posture of humility was really 

706
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,440
what was on my mind this week 
too, because we just get, we get

707
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:42,840
caught up in, in the things we 
make, we make excuse and we 

708
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,920
don't receive grace humbly. 
And that's and that makes it 

709
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,720
difficult, which is kind of your
final point on belief that we 

710
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,760
tend to overcomplicate belief. 
Oh, big time. 

711
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,280
It drives me crazy. 
It's a it's a simple process in 

712
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,280
the Bible, he who calls on the 
name of the Lord will be saved, 

713
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:05,480
right? 
So why, why do we hold so 

714
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,560
tightly to that? 
Why? 

715
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,160
Why do we, why do we 
overcomplicate? 

716
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,640
I think, I think sometimes we do
think there is like. 

717
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,840
A a holding period, a waiting 
period, a review period of where

718
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,200
we're good enough to have 
received the gift. 

719
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,760
And it's not it's, it's 
literally an instantaneous 

720
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,560
thing. 
Or can be right? 

721
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,120
Well, and here's the thing. 
We we teach our we teach our 

722
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,880
students, particularly in 
confirmation. 

723
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,320
I teach them and I hope they 
remember that justification. 

724
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,880
In other words, just as if I'd 
never sinned. 

725
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,480
So now I am righteous before the
sight of God. 

726
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,640
That is a instantaneous and it's
B either one or the other. 

727
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Again, getting down to that two 
things. 

728
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,400
I am either justified or I'm 
not. 

729
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,360
There's no like, well, I'm 
working towards no, you were 

730
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,520
either justified by the blood of
Jesus Christ because you believe

731
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,320
or you are not. 
There's no in between. 

732
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,160
And and I love the instantaneous
nature of it because we have 

733
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,640
again, we draw on him often, but
this unnamed thief on the cross,

734
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:18,000
instantaneous salvation. 
He had moments to live, begged 

735
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,280
Christ, believed in Christ for 
his salvation, done 

736
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,200
instantaneous and fully 
justified, no in between. 

737
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,120
And we don't have any account of
the other person on the other 

738
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,520
side of the cross from Jesus 
receiving that also permanent, 

739
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,440
instantaneous, you know it. 
It's all there. 

740
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,400
And I just don't know why we 
make that so complicated. 

741
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,320
It drives me crazy. 
And that's, and that's why I 

742
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,680
know it feels like an unnatural 
posture sometimes a posture of 

743
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,080
dependence. 
But as children of God, that is 

744
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,520
our posture to him. 
We we sung the song the past 

745
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,360
couple weeks. 
I'm the branch, you are the 

746
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,200
vine. 
Like that's our that's our 

747
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,280
source of strength. 
Our source of direction is is 

748
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,440
God is his word and and Jesus as
our advocate in that so. 

749
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,200
By the way, I did not look at 
the setlist. 

750
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,840
I typically do, but I did not 
look at the setlist before I 

751
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,760
went up on stage yesterday. 
And I, I continuously am just 

752
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,520
blown away by the response 
worship that we get to do after 

753
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,520
hearing God's word. 
And that was just such a perfect

754
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,600
way to really kind of wrap that 
up. 

755
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,000
And and it was so even even for 
me personally like to be able to

756
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
sing to the Lord. 
I depend on you. 

757
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:42,400
That was that was amazing for me
and I hope that moment and being

758
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,600
able to share those words 
together with God's community 

759
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,440
was also powerful for other 
people. 

760
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,120
I suspect it was. 
Yeah, I think so and that so 

761
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,520
that song abide that we closed 
with I think has just yeah, has 

762
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,160
reflected the the season that 
we're in as a body of believers 

763
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,320
and is also a a declaration we 
can share in. 

764
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,720
I I just think yeah, our that 
song has our people and their 

765
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,880
and their testimony all over it.
So happy to happy to share that 

766
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,680
with you all and share in 
worship with that. 

767
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,960
OK, before we get out of here, 
do you have do you have a nice 

768
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,280
clean cut summation for not as a
professional Christian, but as a

769
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,240
as a mere mortal? 
Do you? 

770
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,400
Do you have a summary of the 
sermon for Mere Mortal Monday? 

771
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,600
Well, if we could do it anyway, 
let's do it this way. 

772
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Jesus teaches that there are 
only two kinds of family, those 

773
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,320
who belong to the family of God 
and those who belong to the 

774
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,640
family of devil. 
That creates a spiritual DNA. 

775
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,360
And how do you test that? 
Well, do you love Jesus? 

776
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,720
Do you bear His word? 
Do you submit to God's desires? 

777
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,640
And do you stand in the truth? 
Now, as we receive and believe 

778
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Jesus, God then comes in through
the power of Jesus Christ 

779
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,600
rewrites our DNA as children of 
God. 

780
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,040
Boom. 
Awesome. 

781
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,800
That's it. 
Well, it is that simple. 

782
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,160
That's great, man, Well done. 
It was, it was a little more 

783
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200
than the the average 3 1/2 
points. 

784
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,640
You had four. 
So you're you're up in the 

785
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,720
you're up in the average of 3 
1/2 on that. 

786
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,840
But it was good. 
You still, you still said it 

787
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,400
well. 
So this has been fun. 

788
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,280
Thanks for taking it a little 
more from God's Word with us on 

789
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,360
this fine day. 
Love you growing in community 

790
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,120
with you all church. 
Thanks for being a part of how 

791
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,560
God's working and moving into it
and the surrounding communities.

792
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,400
This has been the ERC leftovers.
Until next time, have a blessed 

793
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:43,600
week.
