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Happy Monday. 
Pastor Matt is here. 

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Pastor Chris is back from Sunny 
Shores. 

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Sunny Shores. 
Yeah. 

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So I was in northern Florida, I 
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the Panhandle, like Panama. 
City so like western Florida, 

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you're on the. 
Western coast, yeah. 

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The North, yeah, I guess the. 
In the Gulf Gulf of America, 

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the. 
Gulf of America at 44 years old,

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I, I don't want to get into a 
debate about what it should be 

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called, but I mean, you grew up,
it was the Gulf of Mexico. 

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It was the Gulf of Mexico up 
until like a couple months ago. 

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And so I just, that's hard, 
that's hard for me to get used 

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to and I don't know. 
But anyway, apparently I was in 

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the Gulf of Mexico or America, 
depending on how you want to 

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talk about that. 
I've. 

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Been to two different gulfs in 
your life now. 

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Sure, touched them both. 
Touched them both, that's for 

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sure. 
But it was cool. 

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It was cool. 
Like, you know, you could. 

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I think it's fun to go down 
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because then all the locals know
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because you're the only ones in 
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I mean, the water's got to be 
like not warmer than probably 60

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something. 
Degrees, It's not sunset to the 

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locals right now. 
They they look at you and 

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they're like tourist. 
Clearly they've already got 

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jackets on. 
Like all of them are already 

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wearing coats. 
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Yikes. 
Yeah, They, they definitely 

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they're it's almost like fall 
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They're excited to have a reason
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We do it out of necessity, I 
think, but they're just straight

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up excited for it. 
Like, oh, you know, the the 

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beach, the water's so cold. 
And so now we get to put on 

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jackets and we get to feel like 
we have multiple seasons. 

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You don't have multiple seasons.
I don't want to live in a place 

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where 70° is a reason to put on 
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I I don't want to do that. 
Yeah, so anyway there. 

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You go interesting. 
Nothing against Florida, I like 

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Florida, but I just, I don't 
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climate things and that's that's
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actually feels good to put on a 
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Not excited about that. 
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We also survived a bomb threat, 
but that's a story for another 

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time. 
Wow. 

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I know I. 
Survived. 

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I survived. 
It was so dramatic. 

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It really wasn't dramatic at 
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But there was a bomb threat 
nearby where we were, which 

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wasn't a bomb at all. 
It was just some guy having a 

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really bad day. 
Would you say the situation was 

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diffused? 
Clearly it was. 

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Thanks for that. 
We need to have a dad joke 

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episode. 
I think we should do that next 

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AMA. 
Wow, OK. 

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Yeah, I think we could. 
I think we'd throw some good 

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ones. 
The puns are the puns could get 

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really awesome. 
They could get they could get 

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real in a hurry. 
You all don't even know. 

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You all don't even know. 
Thanks for coming out worship 

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yesterday on Sunday had the 
services were a little more 

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tilted this week. 
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was a pretty even split. 
We had like a 7030 as far as 

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percentage goes split of 
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So it was a little, a little 
offside of the first service was

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full, like actually bursting 
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And the second service was about
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So still if you're, if you have 
margin in your life to come to 

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the second service, there's lots
of room at the second service. 

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But otherwise we got to keep 
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We need lots of 1 mores to fill 
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So keep working on that church. 
Thanks for coming and worshiping

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with us together yesterday. 
Exodus 32. 

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I feel like I I had some harsh 
words at times, some of some 

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hard words to hear. 
I think it was all true and I 

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think it's all rooted in God's 
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But this is the this is kind of 
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christening. 
If I Christian discipleship, 

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Yeah. 
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speak from an insider track for 
a moment, I think there are 

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definitely times where a teacher
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you want to word that you can 
end up with what I think I, I'm 

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just labeling it this. 
I've never heard it this way. 

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So if it gets popular, you're 
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But it's like sermon hangover. 
What I mean by that is like, you

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know, you felt really good going
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were going to do was correct and
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And then something happens over 
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period post sermon. 
And all of a sudden, like you 

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just, I don't know, it feels 
heavier, it feels worse or it 

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doesn't. 
I don't know. 

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I think that's like sermon 
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Now, I would, I would tell you 
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one pastor in my life who he 
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He's like, listen, if you preach
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accurately, Satan is going to 
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He's going to try and make you 
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apologize for it and all these 
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And, and I think he's right in, 
in the sense that if we are just

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really honest with the word of 
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speak and hard to hear because 
it offends some of our modern 

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sensibilities. 
However, don't let Satan lie. 

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You know to you, you know, in, 
in the sense of like, no, you, 

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you said what the Bible said, 
therefore you said the right 

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thing, whatever that is. 
Thanks, man. 

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Yeah, I, I guess I feel 
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I I feel confident in having 
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I always just on the line of the
true thing in love line is is 

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hard for me at times because I 
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I love the law. 
I love to beat people up with 

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the law, but we need to recall 
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that we don't send them running 
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We we teach them in grace and 
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to their savior. 
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a fine line for me. 
I don't want to want to leave 

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people beat up in a way that 
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approach Jesus and and, and 
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even crossed that line. 
You could be right in this even 

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of of Satan being like, Oh no, 
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people when it maybe was exactly
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he's just trying to make me feel
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He's he's an accuser. 
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Well, that's one of his names, 
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And certainly a truth that comes
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get you coming or going. 
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gets you. 
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on them. 
You were this, nobody's going to

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come back anymore because, you 
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You weren't nearly hard enough 
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You think God really forgives 
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You think God really forgives 
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Are you crazy? 
Look how bad you are. 

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So I mean, I think he can get 
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And so it's just, it's just so 
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in exactly what the word of God 
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our, as our North Star, right? 
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that's happening, people will 
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They won't like it either way. 
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about what, you know, people 
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have to defend the word of God. 
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Right. 
Not that we don't care about 

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what they think in comparison to
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Like that's still, that is our 
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Yeah. 
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Hopefully Sunday's also isn't 
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Word of God, at least not holy. 
That's that's not the root of 

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our teaching. 
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and opinion and belief on it, 
but I mean it should be the Word

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of God speaking, not what I 
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Yeah, it's always, it's always 
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And that's another peek behind 
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for anybody who's truly 
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you know, you're, you're 
creating illustrations, you're 

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creating connection points. 
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forward into a modern sense of 
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And so it's whatever extent that
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that we do not alter or change 
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going to come attack and we just
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So. 
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Yeah. 
So thanks for tuning in for some

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more thoughts on Exodus 32 and 
God's Rage Against the 

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Israelites. 
And Moses kind of throws a a fit

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as well. 
And we're, we're going to get 

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But before we do, we've got a 
few questions left from the Ask 

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Me Anything episode and one of 
the fun ones I I wanted to get 

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to that we just didn't cram into
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If you could be any person in 
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did put other than Jesus, 
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answer, right? 
If you could be any person in 

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the Bible other than Jesus, who 
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By the way, I just as an aside, 
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to say, Oh no, I'd be Jesus 
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So I would not quickly put 
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As I've thought about this 
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there is an obvious answer of a 
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some semblance of Vadnais, 
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You know, just, I mean, do you, 
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be, I want to be like, I want to
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So like, dude, I want to be the 
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That sounds fun. 
Or no not. 

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Solomon, Samson. 
Samson, sorry, OK, so we're. 

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We're similar track color. 
That was the first one. 

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All right. 
Yeah, obviously, like manliest 

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man you can think of Samson. 
But he has a real issue with 

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picking women. 
Yeah, he's really bad at it. 

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And I don't know if there's a I 
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going to say it anyway. 
I don't know if there's a 

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greater like potential stress in
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is going wrong with like, you 
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with a woman. 
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there can be a lot of different 
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But if your home life is is 
crooked because you know, your 

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spouse, whatever, that feels bad
all the time, everywhere, no 

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matter what else is happening in
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So being Samson then, like he's 
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Got messed. 
Up. 

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He's always got messed up stuff.
Yeah, it's cool. 

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You're you're this hulking man 
who's got all this power. 

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But your home life is terrible. 
So I don't, I don't think that's

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great. 
So, but you also, you misspoke 

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and said Solomon 'cause that was
also, he was also near the top 

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of my list. 
He might be. 

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To be the wisest, you don't have
to worry about like you are 

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discernment right at that, but 
like you have wisdom from God, 

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you have a channel to deciding. 
And I'm a terrible decider and I

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use those words terribly 'cause 
that's not how I should 

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describe. 
I actually like you as a quote 

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UN quote decider. 
Well, thank you. 

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Well, it's I don't mind. 
I I guess I I like deciding 

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things, but it's a chore like 
it's a it's a wrestling match in

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my mind a lot of the time. 
So that that would be difficult,

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but I think like those, those 
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attributes. 
Now you have experiences as 

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well, right. 
So those are just and I guess 

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they both had desirable 
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Samson killing the killing the 
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Oh. 
Wow, that would be cool. 

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But then you have the grandeur 
of of Moses that we're talking 

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to like be pretty cool to split 
the Red Sea, right? 

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Just and have the power of this 
of this staff, the power of God 

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that you just as he commands you
to act. 

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It just happens. 
Noah. 

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I don't know that I. 
Want to say the wires? 

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Building the ark but like. 
And you got to, you got to watch

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the world flood. 
You got to watch that happen. 

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Or maybe you don't because 
you're locked in the heart of 

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the ship, but still. 
Yeah, I'm not. 

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I'm not. 
Don't sign me up for that. 

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No, thank you, Sir. 
OK. 

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I actually, I actually was kind 
of thinking like you, Joshua. 

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Joshua, it's not bad. 
I was, I was trying to think of 

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what bad things happened to 
Joshua. 

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I mean, he fought his entire 
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Yeah. 
You know, I he, he, he was in 

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battle his entire life and he he
always had to fight, but he also

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like he set the groundwork, you 
know, this is what my house is, 

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you know, and so like, As for 
you and your household, do 

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whatever, but this is this is 
who we are in my house. 

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And I just think like his 
backbone and his, his ability to

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speak truth, again, wasn't 
perfect, but his ability to 

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speak truth and just really kind
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ethic. 
I think that's, you know, it's, 

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it's admirable and it's, it 
would be cool. 

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I think. 
I'm sure it was very stressful, 

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but it'd be kind of cool to have
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discipline. 
Took down Jericho. 

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That's that's cool, dude. 
Just marching around, just being

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a boss. 
You sound crazy, but like you 

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sounded crazy for a bit, but 
once that was just a week, 

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right? 
Once the walls crumbled, he was.

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He was fine it. 
Was just a week. 

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It's no big deal, yeah. 
So what about like? 

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Or you could be like one of the 
one of the big prophets. 

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So you could be like raining 
fire down on the fake gods. 

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Like Elijah? 
Yeah, that'd be kind of cool. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
Because I don't like Paul wrote 

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most of the New Testament. 
Paul did not have a Paul. 

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Suffered a lot. 
I do suffer. 

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He was not on vacation. 
No, there was no. 

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Vacation for him? 
Oh gosh. 

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Peter, like you were close to 
Jesus. 

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You got to hang out with Jesus 
all the time, but you were kind 

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of kind of dumb, like. 
Maybe maybe like one of the 

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maybe John. 
John might be the guy. 

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Not the Baptist. 
No, not the Baptist, like John 

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the disciple, because hey, he 
has he has the ability to be 

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like, I'm not even going to name
myself. 

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I'm just the guy that Jesus 
loves. 

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Look at how cool I am. 
And if history tells us right, 

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he was like the only one of them
who wasn't martyred. 

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Right who like peacefully went 
away. 

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Yeah, I maybe it's John. 
That's good. 

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I like that. 
Answer. 

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I could get down with that. 
OK, I still so we didn't even we

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didn't even talk about we talked
about Paul, prominent New 

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Testament figure, but. 
OK. 

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Who's who's the prominent like, 
we're missing David, right? 

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David's, like David, the 
prominent Old Testament figure. 

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Right, because it's down to 
David and Moses and Noah. 

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I guess you can, you can throw 
Abraham in there. 

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But dude, again, anything that 
has to do with like female 

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relationship issues, I don't 
want any part I don't want. 

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Any of that. 
No, man, my, my wife is so kind 

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and she's just so she, she is 
awesome. 

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I I love her to death and she 
does not provide any of the 

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drama that these people have. 
I just, I couldn't do it. 

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So that eliminates David for you
too. 

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Yeah, any kind of female drama, 
like I don't want any part of 

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it. 
Sounds like you should be Paul 

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I. 
Mean, I like having a woman in 

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my Life OK, but I don't know was
John? 

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Was John married? 
I don't know that we know that 

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for sure. 
Yeah, probably not. 

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Probably not. 
But we don't. 

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I mean, we don't really know if 
any of them were. 

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Peter was yeah, for sure. 
Because Jesus goes and heals 

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Peter's mother-in-law. 
Oh yeah, mother-in-law. 

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OK. 
So I was so Peter was for sure. 

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OK, OK. 
All right, all right, so. 

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You. 
Well, I'm going. 

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I'm still going John. 
You're going John. 

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I'm still going John. 
Because he wasn't martyred and 

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I'm afraid of pain. 
So there you go. 

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OK, I I think I'd go Solomon 
really I think if I because at 

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the I mean. 
The son of David, wisest man to 

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ever live. 
Wrapped up in his thoughts a 

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lot, which. 
I know he's super depressed, 

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like he wrote Ecclesiastes, like
it's all in vain. 

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All of this is pointless and 
stupid. 

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And yeah, so he's definitely in 
his own head. 

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Yeah. 
But he also had, dude, you 

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really want to deal with like 
700 wives? 

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I don't. 
Have like 700 of them. 

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Yeah, that's a lot of wives. 
That is a lot of wives. 

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See, again, I'm trying to avoid 
the woman drama. 

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I don't. 
I don't want any. 

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You just don't want to go home 
to listen and have her be like 

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you said you'd be. 
Solomon. 

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We're having a fight right now. 
Oh, you really want 700 watts, 

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right? 
Yeah, fine. 

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Well, now you've got 699, 
because I'm peace now, Yeah. 

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No, yeah, no, I still think just
gift attribute character wise, I

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don't know. 
I'd have to figure out the 7700 

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wives thing, but got a lot of 
wisdom to discern that, which 

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seems odd that he would have 
decided about 700 wives with all

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that wisdom. 
That seems not wise. 

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But, well, he's he's still a 
man. 

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He. 
Is you? 

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You take that comment for what 
you want it to be, but he's 

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still a man. 
But like, definitely. 

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What about Jonah? 
Oh, actually. 

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Just taking a ride in a whale, 
he. 

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Was You do have to be kind of a 
racist to be Jonah though. 

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Wow. 
Yeah. 

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And he was. 
I forget the line that I had in 

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my in my sermon. 
I kept it was Deb Adams. 

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Jonah's a jerk. 
That's what it was. 

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He was kind of a jerk. 
I don't want to be a jerk. 

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So. 
Yeah, you kind of, you kind of 

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have to want genocide for an 
entire people group and then be 

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disappointed when it doesn't 
happen. 

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Yeah, I don't want that. 
I don't. 

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I don't want that. 
All right, So John for you 

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though, like disciple John. 
That's that's where we're going.

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How about what? 
What about like, what about like

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Jacob? 
Yeah. 

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But I mean you, you got to be 
kind of a scoundrel. 

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But. 
Things really work out for you 

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for the most part. 
Besides, you know, just some 

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family dynamics that are a 
little tough. 

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He had the he had the girl 
drama, though, too, right? 

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Like, yeah, I don't know. 
It's tough, Joseph. 

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Joseph suffered a lot, but he 
also had a lot of power. 

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Joseph, you know what? 
If you can get through the 

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suffering years with Joseph, 
you're like, I'm a baller and I 

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did all the and I did all the 
things, right. 

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Yeah, besides being a jerk in 
the beginning, I did all the 

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things right. 
So Joseph may not be a bad pick.

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Yeah, Joseph's interesting to 
me. 

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So Jonathan, Jonathan with David
might be. 

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Yeah, I don't know. 
I'm just now I'm just throwing 

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names out there, but I think, I 
think it's Solomon. 

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I, I think I'd like to just have
all the wisdom in the world and 

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trust that I'm going to figure 
out the the rest of it with 

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that. 
So not. 

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Bad Solomon and John, that's 
that's who we'd be. 

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All right, Exodus 32 in your 
study guide, you had it broken 

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out nice into only like 11 
verses. 

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Yeah. 
And I wound up walking us 

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through most of the chapter 
because I feel you had us 

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jumping in verses 7 to 14. 
And I feel like we needed that. 

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That would be at the point of 
the Lord warning Moses, go back 

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down the mountain. 
Your people are crazy. 

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So I just need to provide the 
context of the first few verses 

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of that. 
I don't know that there's much 

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extra to jump into there in the 
1st 6 verses. 

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Well, I, I will say, you know, 
if nothing else, you, you, you 

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printed off this, this 
commentary for me from David 

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Cusick, which I appreciate, but 
there's a couple of things that 

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I did like he he said this about
verse one in particular. 

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He said, yet because the people 
couldn't see the reason for the 

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delay, they allowed it to 
stumble them. 

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Man, isn't that the truth? 
Like if, if I can't think of, 

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and I think Tim Keller put this 
best, but if I can't think of 

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the reason for God doing 
something or not doing 

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something, then there must not 
be a good reason at all. 

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And in, in subtly or not so 
subtly saying, and, you know, 

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reacting that way. 
We've just done exactly what 

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Adam and Eve, you know, we, we 
get on their case about like, 

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I'm, I, I want to be like God. 
So if I can't think of a good 

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reason, there must not be 1. 
And that is such, that is such a

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dangerous way to to to think. 
Yeah. 

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And at the same time with that, 
wouldn't it be, I'm not saying 

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it alleviates all suffering, but
even if you put a OK wait and 

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endure through that, it's it's 
going to be next 40 days are 

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going to be bad, but it's going 
to work out at you make it 

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through these 40 days and it's 
going to turn out like you, like

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you wanted it to, like you need 
it to. 

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That's a little more palatable, 
right? 

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Because you can like you can see
the end you, you, you know that 

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the suffering is worth 
something, right? 

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I think what we're I think what 
they're scared of it. 

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They just OK, we, we so much 
make our current situation just 

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this is how it's going to be 
forever. 

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I think that's what they're 
caught in right here like this 

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dude's gone. 
We don't know if he's ever 

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coming back. 
If he's never coming back. 

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We're just wasting time waiting 
for him. 

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So we're, we're moving on, we're
not going to endure this and 

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we're moving on with our lives 
and just not going to put up 

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with this because we don't see 
an answer. 

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So we're going to make our own 
answer. 

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And I think, I think we get 
wrapped up in that. 

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And I'm not saying, I'm not 
saying the suffering. 

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There's going to be suffering 
one way or another. 

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And God doesn't obviously 
ordain, OK, it's going to be 

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really rough for the next 40 
days, but then it's going to be 

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OK. 
He promises he's going to work 

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it out for good, for the good, 
for the good of those who love 

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him, right? 
But there's not always a time 

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stamp on that, right? 
We, we, we don't have the, when 

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does it get good? 
We just get to look back on, see

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that he was there and that he's 
faithful. 

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Yeah, I, I, I definitely grow 
concerned in situations where we

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just don't, we can't see the 
light at the, at the end of the 

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tunnel, as you might say. 
Like I grow concerned in those 

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moments. 
But 44 years and a lot of 

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difficult experiences have 
taught me to be a lot more 

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patient. 
So, you know, I could tell a 

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bunch of different stories, I 
suppose. 

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But one in particular, when our 
water froze up, you know, in our

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house and we were showering at 
wherever we, we could catch a 

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shower and we're getting buckets
of water from the church to be 

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able to like flush a toilet 
because we could get some water 

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out, but we couldn't get any 
back in the house. 

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And, and you know, I look back 
on it now and it was exactly 40 

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days and 40 nights. 
And the moment that the water 

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kicked on was the 1st morning of
spring. 

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And I look at that and, and I 
just look at that time frame. 

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And my wife and I have talked 
about this a lot, but you look 

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at that time frame and you look 
at backwards and you see how 

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faithful God was through his 
people, through his church, 

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through all these different 
things. 

447
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,000
And had we, I don't know, I 
don't know what we could have 

448
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,240
done differently, but like had 
we just failed to believe that 

449
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,560
God would provide through that 
situation, we would look back 

450
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,000
and we would not see all the 
different ways that he just 

451
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,560
blessed our socks off. 
And I just, I don't know man, 

452
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:25,440
those the patient endurance of 
suffering is it does produce a 

453
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,280
level of gratitude and 
confidence in the Lord that you 

454
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,840
cannot have, I think, unless you
suffer. 

455
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,760
Yeah, and there's this. 
What's, what's the idiom? 

456
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,160
Better the devil you know than 
the devil you don't right now. 

457
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,400
That's a little crash to put in 
this situation because these 

458
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,680
people are choosing a devil. 
They're choosing sin over the 

459
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,640
God that they're, but they, they
don't know, do we? 

460
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:58,880
We, they chose the known sin 
over the unknown plan of God, 

461
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,360
right? 
So I'm, I'm messing up the, the 

462
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,080
phrase a little bit. 
But we do that, right? 

463
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,800
When we can't see how or where 
or when God's working, we just 

464
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,200
find safety in that. 
Yeah, I know this is terrible 

465
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,080
for me. 
I know this isn't it. 

466
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,080
I know this isn't the answer, 
but I know what it is. 

467
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,960
I know how it's going to make me
feel that that we somehow find 

468
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,800
twisted safety in that. 
And that's what the Israelites 

469
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,760
did here too, right? 
Like, were they really that 

470
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,800
crazy to be like this golden 
bowl, this golden calf? 

471
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,200
This is the thing that's that 
we're going to follow, that's 

472
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,280
going to lead us to. 
Did they really wholeheartedly 

473
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,720
believe that? 
Or did they just need this 

474
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,640
tangible? 
They needed to provide 

475
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840
understanding for themselves, 
and they weren't willing to wait

476
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,040
on the Lord. 
Yeah, it's, it's, it's difficult

477
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,400
to, to iron that out. 
But there is this, there is this

478
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:55,520
innate human desire, I would 
say, to be able to have, you 

479
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,080
know, the God that we can touch,
the God that we can grab, the 

480
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,920
God that we can feel and maybe 
in a prideful way, the God that 

481
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,160
we think we can manipulate and 
control. 

482
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,040
And so some of those things that
we're searching for and God are 

483
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,960
really good and they're 
fulfilled in Jesus Christ. 

484
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,360
He came down in the form of a 
man could be touched, had dinner

485
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,480
with him, all these kinds of 
things. 

486
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,120
But the, the more negative 
aspects of that is I, I want to 

487
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,360
be able to control you. 
I want to be able to tell you 

488
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,160
what's best for me. 
And I think you brought that up 

489
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,280
yesterday in your sermon, which 
is like, hey, God, I know you've

490
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,160
got a plan, but why don't you 
stick that plan on the shelf? 

491
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,880
Because I don't like it and I've
got a way better one. 

492
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,440
And so you brought that up 
yesterday and I thought that was

493
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,720
that was spot on for for some of
these kind of concepts that we 

494
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,720
see here. 
So yeah, thank you for doing 

495
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,200
that too. 
Which I. 

496
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,200
Think is interesting because 
Moses kind of we, we often make 

497
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,040
jest of that scenario and say, 
OK, let me take God's plan and 

498
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,640
I'll then I'll make it better 
with my own stuff because that's

499
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,480
that's what Moses does here. 
God tells him his plan and Moses

500
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,000
comes back with like, but what 
if, what? 

501
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,240
What if we changed it? 
God was somehow open to that 

502
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,080
though, and I didn't I didn't 
draw it out as much. 

503
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,040
This is verses 9 and 10. 
In chapter 32 the Lord said to 

504
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760
Moses, I've seen this people and
indeed it is a stiff necked 

505
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,600
people. 
Now therefore leave me alone 

506
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,800
that my wrath may burn hot 
against them and that I may 

507
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,240
consume them and I will make of 
you a great nation. 

508
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,920
I didn't lean on as much in 
this. 

509
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,640
There is a kind of subliminal 
option here. 

510
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,480
Part of part of that phrase is 
if you leave me alone, I will do

511
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,520
this. 
God leaves margin for Moses to 

512
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:42,360
protest or or even offer to to 
atone offer to offer to mediate 

513
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,240
this situation right? 
He he leaves room like if you do

514
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,400
nothing, if you're on board with
this, I'll make you start over 

515
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,920
with you, make you the great 
nation. 

516
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,800
He leaves room for the response 
that Moses actually comes to and

517
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,920
says, Hey, great merciful God, 
they haven't screwed up so much 

518
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,320
so far that you haven't 
delivered them. 

519
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,720
Can we can we deliver them 
again? 

520
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,600
Right. 
Now there's nothing. 

521
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,080
OK, I'm I'm going out on a limb 
a little bit here because 

522
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,280
there's nothing in the Bible or 
in the text that would indicate 

523
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,720
that this true. 
But consider this for a moment 

524
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:25,920
if God is going to test Moses, 
because Moses is clearly fed up 

525
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,800
with these people too. 
They complain all the time. 

526
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,960
They blame him for everything. 
How many times up to this point 

527
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,800
have they already been like, did
you, didn't you just drag us out

528
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,200
here to kill us? 
And they're so ungrateful in it.

529
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,640
Like I think my blood pressure 
is going up just thinking about 

530
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,600
it from his perspective. 
Seriously, they're so ungrateful

531
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,680
and they're so rude and they're 
so mean to him, despite the fact

532
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,800
that he is doing everything with
God in his power and God's power

533
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,680
collectively to save them. 
And they're such jerks about it 

534
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,600
all the time. 
So, like, think about it this 

535
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,800
way maybe. 
And again, there's no Bible 

536
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,200
passage to support this, but if 
God were to test Moses and say, 

537
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,200
I know you, I know you're fed up
with these people too. 

538
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,720
So what do you think about this 
plan? 

539
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:13,080
Could God not be testing Moses 
and saying, hey, if I'm willing 

540
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,000
to destroy them, are you also 
done with them in such a way? 

541
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,240
And Moses, I think he passes the
test and he says, yeah, they're 

542
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,000
under my skin. 
They're driving me crazy. 

543
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,960
They're never going to be as 
grateful as they should be for 

544
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,280
what I've done or what you've 
done. 

545
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,800
But there's still something 
beautiful about them that is 

546
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,840
worth redeeming. 
And so obviously, you talked 

547
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,560
about it yesterday, too, as a 
type of Christ Jesus looks at 

548
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
the people who crucified him and
said, yeah, I know they're 

549
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,240
ungrateful and they're terrible 
and all these things, but 

550
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,920
there's something beautiful 
about them that is still worth 

551
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,640
redeeming. 
And so again, it's not in the 

552
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,000
text there. 
But if there was a test for 

553
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,200
Moses, this is it. 
This is that moment. 

554
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,240
And I I think you're right. 
Yeah, it's not immediately in 

555
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:03,200
the text, but it maybe was a 
test for him in how well he knew

556
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,240
the character of God because 
even defending. 

557
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Hey, you, you God, you brought 
them out of Egypt. 

558
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,640
Don't let the Egyptians think of
you as a cruel God who just LED 

559
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,640
your people out into the desert 
only to kill them. 

560
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,160
He's one of one of the notes in 
the enduring word commentary 

561
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,600
here is undoubtedly Moses was 
filled with compassion for the 

562
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160
people, but his chief concern 
was for the honor of the name of

563
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,680
God. 
He he was thinking, yeah, God, 

564
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,840
you can act in this way and it 
is righteous. 

565
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:42,040
It is it's completely justified.
But how much more for the sake 

566
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,320
of this nation, this people that
is supposed to bring you to the 

567
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,560
earth, right? 
Be your advocates for this, for 

568
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,840
this God and for your ways. 
Let's let's not take the bad 

569
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,680
press here. 
Kind of is just what he's 

570
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,280
saying, right? 
No, let's, let's work with what 

571
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,240
we've got. 
We don't, we don't need rumor 

572
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,960
mill starting here because your 
mercy is abundant. 

573
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Your grace is great. 
I know it is. 

574
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,640
I know you can act in 
forgiveness and redemption for 

575
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,760
your people. 
Let's do that rather rather than

576
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,040
the rage monster sort of sort of
route, right? 

577
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Moses Moses as like you know, 
Moses in or God as like the rage

578
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,320
monster. 
I, I heard that language coming 

579
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,800
through yesterday and it did 
make me chuckle and I was like, 

580
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,080
man, this feels like angry Elmo 
all over again. 

581
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Angry Elmo. 
I just brought with Esau like 

582
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,080
no, but I there's something 
deeply appropriate about like 

583
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400
the anger of God in this 
scenario and stuff and and even 

584
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,680
Moses. 
Now the cool thing about Moses 

585
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,840
and I, I think it makes him very
relatable and here's what it is.

586
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,960
He's literally debating and and 
vying for their lives in front 

587
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,480
of the very God that can just 
wipe them off the face of the 

588
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,120
earth. 
Now he does that in such loving 

589
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
fashion. 
And then he comes down the hill 

590
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,600
and he just rips them apart. 
Like we do that with our kids 

591
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,280
too. 
Don't we? 

592
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,640
Like, you know, we'll, we'll do 
everything we can protect them. 

593
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,760
We'll, we'll, we'll cover them. 
We'll do all this stuff. 

594
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,960
And then the second that they 
get in our presence, oh, you're 

595
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,440
in so much trouble. 
Like I did all this stuff for 

596
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440
you in the in the background 
that is very loving. 

597
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,040
But now that I'm in front of 
you, I'm a whoop. 

598
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,480
You like go, go get a stick 
Outback because I'm going to 

599
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,360
whoop you. 
Yeah, there's a part of his 

600
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,280
argument that that maybe it's 
like, I know they're bad, but 

601
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120
were they really that bad? 
And then he gets down to the 

602
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,200
bottom of the mountain and it's 
worse than he could even 

603
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,240
imagine, right? 
Like, And so I touched on it a 

604
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,360
little bit. 
I skipped over he actually 

605
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,840
breaks and smashes the tablets 
the the 10 commandment tablets, 

606
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,400
right? 
They're they're inscribed 

607
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,240
written on by the power of God. 
These two tablets, both sides 

608
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,160
that have the law of God on them
and verse 19 as he gets down to 

609
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,920
the bottom of the mountain, so 
as it was, as soon as he came to

610
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,680
the camp, he saw the calf and 
the dancing. 

611
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,240
So Moses anger became hot and he
cast the tablets out of his 

612
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,680
hands and broke them at the foot
of the mountain and he took the 

613
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
calf they had made, burned it in
the fire, grounded it into 

614
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440
powder and he scattered it on 
the water and made the children 

615
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,360
of Israel drink it. 
I did touch on that, the powder 

616
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,640
range. 
How did he make them drink it? 

617
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,640
That's a great question. 
It was just him. 

618
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,840
I mean him against this angry 
crowd and he's making them drink

619
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080
this powder water. 
Like, I mean, you know, The 

620
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,400
thing is like, OK, you have 5 
kids at home. 

621
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,040
You know, if maybe if they were,
maybe I'm going to paint a weird

622
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,640
picture here, but it's kind of 
funny. 

623
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,760
You have 5 kids at home. 
If they're organized, they they 

624
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,240
might be able to overpower you, 
Matt. 

625
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,760
That's what I'm saying. 
Yeah, but I. 

626
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Can't make the five of them 
together. 

627
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,440
Drink powder water. 
But The thing is, though, they 

628
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,440
respect him so much and the fact
that like, basically in their 

629
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,440
mind, this guy's coming back 
from the dead and yeah, they're 

630
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,400
afraid of him, which, you know, 
a good father, a good, you know,

631
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,280
you have to be a little afraid. 
And that's, that's OK. 

632
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,480
So I suspect in his great rage 
and his anger, they're quite. 

633
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,640
Weren't trying to make him. 
Matter. 

634
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,080
No dude, you do not want to mess
with this guy. 

635
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,360
He's just spent the last 40 days
with God on the top of the 

636
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,400
mountain and this is not a guy 
you mess with. 

637
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,280
All right, all right. 
Drink. 

638
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,960
It I'll receive that yeah, I 
guess last time he was angry he 

639
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,000
killed an Egyptian. 
Really. 

640
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Right. 
Like that was he has that in him

641
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:29,800
so. 
Oh. 

642
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,480
He certainly does. 
So yeah, And then he turns to 

643
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Aaron, who he left in charge, 
and this just. 

644
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,560
Had such a clown. 
Yeah, and it's his. 

645
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,160
Older brother, it's this guy who
was advocating for Moses. 

646
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:46,120
He's basically Aaron. 
It's, it's, it's Aaron that 

647
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,000
Moses has built his reputation 
with the people on, right? 

648
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,960
Like he needed to lean on Aaron 
to even get these people to 

649
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,680
listen to him, right? 
Is Aaron like his PR guy? 

650
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,480
Like his, it seemed. 
Because that was the original 

651
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,880
arrangement, because Moses was 
like, I can't speak very well 

652
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,280
when God's like, let Aaron do 
that. 

653
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Yeah. 
PR guy, yeah. 

654
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,800
Sure. 
Yeah. 

655
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,960
Well, and then here's the thing 
about PR people. 

656
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,679
If I'm, if I can drag this out a
little bit further, PR people 

657
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:17,239
only want to do what you know, 
what is going to work and make 

658
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,760
people. 
What they can spin. 

659
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,000
Yes, what can I spin this into? 
How can I be liked? 

660
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,800
How can I, you know, And I think
Aaron is maybe acting in that 

661
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,719
way, especially as it's like, 
well, my, my, my client Moses is

662
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,040
not here. 
Therefore I'm just going to make

663
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,159
the people really happy. 
I'm just going to give them 

664
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,800
exactly what they want. 
I'm going to do the the PR spin.

665
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,000
And and he does a fantastic job 
of being an absolute scoundrel. 

666
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,719
I just, I got, I got the idea in
my head of you like going to a 

667
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,120
communications college and 
having formulated a, a PR 

668
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,199
curriculum based on Exodus 32 
and and Aaron's just complete 

669
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,880
mishandling of this. 
I think, I think you could write

670
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,440
an entire thesis about that 
time. 

671
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,400
It's all the way back. 
You could do it. 

672
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Science of public relations goes
all the way back to Exodus. 

673
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,480
You know what? 
If I'm ever going to do a PhD or

674
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,000
doc, I'm going to do it in 
public relations and 

675
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,800
communication, and I'm going to 
write an entire thesis about 

676
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,960
Aaron as the worst PR guy ever. 
Wow. 

677
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,320
Worst public relations guy of 
all time? 

678
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,760
Nobody's ever written about it, 
as far as I know, and I like it.

679
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,360
I'm going to be the first. 
There you go. 

680
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,760
That's awesome. 
So he so he comes to Aaron. 

681
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,760
What did this people do to you 
that you brought so great a sin 

682
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,520
upon them? 
He like he double blames. 

683
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,280
There's there's concern like 
what happened? 

684
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,920
Were you in danger? 
But then you let them into this,

685
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,720
you let them into this terrible 
situation. 

686
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,880
So first I left you in charge 
and you couldn't handle whatever

687
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,400
threat they brought against you 
and then you brought them into 

688
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,320
terribleness. 
Why did I leave you in charge? 

689
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,760
In fact, who, who let who left 
you into Oh, it was me. 

690
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400
It was my, it was my problem. 
I, I left you in charge. 

691
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,040
I made the bad call and Aaron, I
brought it out yesterday. 

692
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,600
But he's, he's basically just 
fumbling over his words. 

693
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520
So well, they wanted this God. 
So I, I gathered all the gold 

694
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,440
and I threw it in the fire and 
this calf just like popped out 

695
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,960
like that. 
That's what the words I cast it 

696
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,240
in the fire and this calf came 
out even though, OK, ignore the,

697
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,160
the tools and that, that that 
cast over there. 

698
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,840
That looks like a calf that like
you could mold metal in and make

699
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,920
it look like. 
Ignore that. 

700
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,360
I don't know where those tools 
came from either. 

701
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,280
They those just popped out of 
nowhere. 

702
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,440
You know that, and there's this,
OK, I'm going to, I'm going to 

703
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,040
bring us right to Jesus. 
So hold on right to Jesus. 

704
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,960
Buckle your seatbelts because 
we're going to Jesus on this 

705
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,920
one. 
So Exodus 32 says that, you 

706
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,120
know, he engraved this calf. 
So that word engraved, if you 

707
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,360
look throughout the Old 
Testament, it's not just I, you 

708
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,680
know, I had a tool and I, I 
created a shape. 

709
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,120
And no, there's like specific 
artistry talked about in the 

710
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,680
engraving process. 
So it's, it's specific, it's 

711
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,440
it's, it's intentional and it's 
meant to be beautiful. 

712
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:06,920
There's. 
Artistry. 

713
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,560
In this, there's real artistry 
in this. 

714
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,840
So Aaron used all his artistry, 
all his skills to help the 

715
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,240
people sin, to engrave 
something, you know, for them 

716
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,320
that would actually draw them 
away from God. 

717
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,320
Now bring this straightforward 
to Jesus. 

718
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,280
What does Isaiah tell us about 
Jesus and the marks on his 

719
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,560
hands? 
It tells us that our names are 

720
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,840
engraved on his hands. 
And so therefore, or maybe it's 

721
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:41,480
Hebrews, but therefore the 
artistry with which God allowed 

722
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,400
our names to be engraved on 
himself, rather than, you know, 

723
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,480
somebody like Aaron who's using 
artistry to create sin. 

724
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,080
No, absolutely not. 
God has engraved our names on 

725
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,160
his hands, on the palm of his 
hands. 

726
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480
And so I just, I hear that and 
I'm like, OK, we clearly have 

727
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,680
the difference between a, a God 
who who loves and a people 

728
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,120
pleaser. 
Yeah. 

729
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,080
What verse? 
What am I? 

730
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,840
It's Isaiah 4916 actually, 
foretelling of the I have 

731
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,400
written your name on the palms 
of my hands, foretelling the the

732
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,280
Savior. 
Yep. 

733
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,440
And so, I mean, I, I think those
two words, but anyway, yeah, 

734
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160
this engraving process, it is 
done intentionally. 

735
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,320
There's no, there's nothing 
accidental about it. 

736
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,800
And so therefore, as we look for
Jesus is pretty intentional 

737
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,040
about the artistry engraving our
names on his hands. 

738
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,960
So that makes this whole thing 
even worse. 

739
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,600
It makes the whole thing even 
more kind of potentially damning

740
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,040
for Aaron because what, what a 
clown. 

741
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,360
And, and when and when Moses 
does come down, he's like, man, 

742
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,880
I, I, I don't even know what 
happened. 

743
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,640
I don't even know what happened.
I don't know how I got here. 

744
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,800
And so I thought and, and 
honestly, I thought you did a 

745
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,880
beautiful job of bringing that 
out in your sermon because 

746
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,560
that's so true. 
Sometimes we get wrapped up in 

747
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,120
sin and we get wrapped up in a 
situation and we're so far gone 

748
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,680
from where we started. 
Or maybe the the the movements 

749
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,640
of that sin were so subtle that 
we just did not see them at the 

750
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,120
time. 
And so you're like, I, how did I

751
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,440
end up here? 
I, I never wanted this. 

752
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,680
I never intended this. 
I never thought, how did I end 

753
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,920
up here? 
And that could be a 

754
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,320
relationship, that could be some
financial stuff, that could be 

755
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,600
anything. 
But like, I, it's true. 

756
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,800
That's, that's a common human 
experience. 

757
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,360
How did we end up here? 
And I thought you brought that 

758
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,080
out really well yesterday. 
And just a further analogy on 

759
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,600
that, maybe I've brought it up 
on the show before too, but it's

760
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,520
the, it's the chain analogy. 
Satan. 

761
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Satan doesn't bring you a 
temptation. 

762
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,320
He doesn't come to you with the,
with the whole chain and the 

763
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,880
shackles all put together, 
right? 

764
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,720
It's one, it's one link at a 
time. 

765
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,080
And then all of a sudden you're 
shackled. 

766
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Eventually you're shackled in a 
place that you don't want to be 

767
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,560
in, stuck in. 
And it's, I don't, I don't know 

768
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,640
how I got here. 
What was one? 

769
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,400
It was one link at a time, 
right? 

770
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
That's that's how Satan works 
and and twists. 

771
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440
And that's, that's what Aaron 
experienced here. 

772
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,280
That's what so many of us do. 
And. 

773
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,320
I brought it up yesterday how 
many, how many people I had met 

774
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,320
with throughout the week and 
that wasn't to I wasn't trying 

775
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,040
to violate confidence. 
I didn't really talk about 

776
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,520
anything specifically that was. 
Oh, I don't even know who you 

777
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,440
were talking about. 
Right. 

778
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,400
And, and, and I wasn't trying 
to, it was more so for, for 

779
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,200
those of you that, that have 
reached out to me or, or Pastor 

780
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Chris to, to help you through 
some of these life things or, or

781
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,240
even maybe more so to those of 
you that haven't either out of 

782
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,560
AI just don't know what to do 
or, or, or shame or, or, or 

783
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,240
depression or, or whatever it 
is. 

784
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,680
You are not alone. 
There are so many of God's 

785
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,200
people that are going through 
this same thing, maybe not the 

786
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,840
same exact struggle that you 
are, but those same feelings of 

787
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,280
my life is so messed up and it's
wrapped up in sin. 

788
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,880
I don't know how I got here and 
I don't know what to do. 

789
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,760
And with that, what I what I 
said yesterday is that is it 

790
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,800
sounds like a cop out. 
And we see Aaron here like just 

791
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,240
throwing up his hands, like, I 
don't know, I don't know how I 

792
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,320
got here. 
I don't know what to do. 

793
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,560
But it's also very natural 
because we can't, we can't 

794
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,160
mitigate our own sin, right? 
We can't in and of ourselves 

795
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,720
solve that problem. 
We need a mediator, an 

796
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,600
intercessor. 
We need a Moses as a type of 

797
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,080
Christ. 
Eventually the Christ who is the

798
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,280
the perfect high priest who 
understands, who has gone 

799
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,600
through every he's not 
unfamiliar with our suffering, 

800
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,200
right? 
Hebrew. 

801
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,320
Hebrew says he gets to go and 
advocate before God and say I 

802
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,320
have seen, I have known, I've 
experienced, I've borne their 

803
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,840
sin and I can take it all. 
Amen. 

804
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,880
Wow. 
So just to that's that's where 

805
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,240
Aaron's at with all this. 
Moses still on a little bit of a

806
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
a rager calls the calls, though 
I think there's a powerful 

807
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,000
phrase, verse 25 and 26. 
Whoever is on the Lord's side, 

808
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,640
come to me. 
Jesus uses this language too, 

809
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,080
right? 
I'd, I'd, I'd rather, I'd rather

810
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,320
that you were either for me or 
against me, not lukewarm in the 

811
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,080
middle, right, like Moses is 
drawing lines here. 

812
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,600
There's those of you that are 
clearly against God not wanting 

813
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,040
to follow him anymore. 
Those of you that are truly for 

814
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,720
Yahweh front and center right 
here. 

815
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,400
We're we're, we're drawing this 
up. 

816
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,280
And he arms them with swords. 
They go and charges them. 

817
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,240
Says Lord has said, let every 
man put his sword on his side 

818
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,000
and go out and let every man 
kill his brother. 

819
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Every man is companion and every
man his neighbor. 

820
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,040
And they did it and they killed 
about 3000 men in the camp that 

821
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,920
day. 
And Moses says consecrate nailed

822
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,160
it. 
I said the word consecrate 

823
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,600
yourselves today to the Lord 
that he may bestow on you a 

824
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,520
blessing for this day. 
For every man has opposed his 

825
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,400
son and his brother. 
Now, what I don't think is 

826
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:59,080
happening here, Moses is not 
condoning patricide or 

827
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,560
fratricide, right? 
That's, that's not what's 

828
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,560
happening here. 
I think it's closer to what I 

829
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,640
was espousing yesterday in the 
message of these things that are

830
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,280
closest to you that are supposed
to be for God, that that that 

831
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,800
are supposed to be influencing 
you in a right way, fixing your 

832
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,000
eyes on Jesus towards the 
father, being a some of the the 

833
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,560
people that are closest to you, 
where are they? 

834
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,560
If they're if it's actually 
helpful for them to be that 

835
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,880
close to you, they should be 
shoulder to shoulder with you 

836
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,320
right here on the side that is 
for God, right. 

837
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,320
A a note from this enduring word
commentary reflecting on this 

838
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,320
that being on the Lord's side 
requires decision. 

839
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,120
It requires action and it 
requires separation that that 

840
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,560
separation being from the world 
right conform no longer Romans 

841
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,280
12 to the patterns of this world
would be transformed by the 

842
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:58,160
renewing of your mind right. 
There are things that are in 

843
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,320
that inhabit each and every one 
of our lives that aren't for the

844
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:08,840
Lord and that in in order to, 
for us to fully be for the Lord 

845
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,720
are going to require separation 
from I think, I think that's 

846
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,680
most of what this, this picture 
is. 

847
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,640
Yeah, there's some, there's some
sacrificial stuff in there. 

848
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,360
God was ready to wipe everybody 
out. 

849
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Is this a, a consecrating 
offering sacrifice of, of, of 

850
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,840
blood instead of the, the 
millions that it would have been

851
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,880
had God wiped out all of the 
Israelites? 

852
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Is, is, are these 3000 lives a, 
a bit of a sacrifice in place of

853
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,440
that maybe I think, I think you 
could draw those lines a little 

854
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,880
bit. 
What spoke to me more was this 

855
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,680
kind of this, this separate if, 
if you're truly leaving that 

856
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120
life behind, leaving that old 
life behind and you are for the 

857
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Lord now you made a new 
creation. 

858
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,600
These things got to go. 
These things in your life that 

859
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,080
aren't for the Lord, they got to
go. 

860
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,160
And it looks really extreme and 
and severe when it's people. 

861
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,240
Yeah, sure. 
Well, a couple things here. 

862
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,520
Thank you for saying that. 
I thought you explained that 

863
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,760
well. 
But a couple additional things, 

864
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,120
like we kind of talked about 
this at the beginning. 

865
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,000
You know, sometimes we see God 
when he is angry and when he is 

866
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,000
allowing people to die or, or 
he's not just even allowing that

867
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,320
and we can use stronger 
language. 

868
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,520
He's telling them to take care 
of this. 

869
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,760
We can look at that and go with 
our modern sensibilities. 

870
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,280
We can look at that and go, oh, 
that's so cruel. 

871
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,040
That's so I can't believe he 
would do that. 

872
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,280
I can't believe, well, what 
we're doing in that moment is 

873
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,240
something that I think is highly
dangerous and we don't realize 

874
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,800
what we're doing it. 
We are now judging God. 

875
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,920
That's exactly what when we look
at Scripture and we say, oh, I 

876
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,680
can't believe you do that. 
I can't, I can't, I can't be OK 

877
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,400
with that. 
OK, well you've now put yourself

878
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,160
in the judgment seat over God. 
That is incredibly dangerous 

879
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,720
territory, not a place I want to
walk. 

880
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,840
Yeah. 
We're we're judging what is 

881
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,200
good, what is righteous, what is
justice by calling him out on 

882
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,160
that. 
I'm, I'm not willing to walk 

883
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,360
there. 
And The thing is like, I'm 

884
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,360
willing to have conversations 
with people who are going 

885
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,280
through some emotional stuff 
and, and maybe some of the 

886
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,560
biblical narrative isn't fitting
within their philosophy right 

887
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,080
now. 
We can walk through and we can 

888
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,240
debate some of that stuff, but 
man, I'm not willing to like, 

889
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,840
appease or pull off of the fact 
that here's what you're doing 

890
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,440
and I'm going to encourage you 
very quickly to get off that 

891
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,320
path because I can't join you 
there. 

892
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,080
I can't sympathize with you on 
that path. 

893
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,120
I can't do it because I cannot 
sympathize with somebody who's 

894
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,320
trying to exercise judgment over
God. 

895
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,400
That puts me in a very dangerous
position, and I'm not willing to

896
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,160
go there for anybody. 
No way. 

897
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,480
That's a really good thought, 
man. 

898
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,080
Can't do it. 
I wish I touched on that. 

899
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,760
Yes, that's that's phenomenal. 
I I don't know, you know, God is

900
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,680
good, but I don't know where I 
get certain things that you 

901
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,320
know, you read enough and you're
like, I don't even know if these

902
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,360
words are mine or if somebody 
else had that idea. 

903
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Now I've just internalized them,
but that's how I was definitely 

904
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,600
thinking through some of that 
stuff is like, that's so 

905
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,200
dangerous and I don't think it's
smart. 

906
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,920
No, that's, that's I think 
that's a great point. 

907
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,400
And I forget which one of your 
questions, it was in the study 

908
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,600
guide, but one of the, I think, 
I think, I think it related to 

909
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,720
that, like, how can we see, how 
can we see this God that 

910
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,040
commanded Moses or the Levites 
said to kill all these people 

911
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,560
and still see him as as good or 
gracious? 

912
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,000
How do you not question his 
grace? 

913
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,200
And it comes back to the he's 
no, he's not safe, but he's 

914
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,520
good. 
And in seeing how he can act in 

915
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:46,120
his power, in his righteous 
anger, even no, he's not safe, 

916
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,120
but he's good. 
But you better be in that good, 

917
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,600
right? 
Like you, you, you want to be in

918
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,160
that good and that's Jesus 
because right? 

919
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,040
And that's I am the way, the 
truth and the life. 

920
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,040
Now I'm your way to the Father. 
Those that know me know the 

921
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,680
Father, and you're in good with 
the Father, right? 

922
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Because you know Jesus. 
The other maybe something else I

923
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:16,640
would say about that is just, 
it's the sense of besides just 

924
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,480
like not wanting to judge God 
because that's dangerous 

925
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,680
territory. 
Besides that, there we we need a

926
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,400
God of justice. 
Absolutely. 

927
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,760
The thing is, I, I, I think we 
don't like this God of justice. 

928
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,120
When he does things that again, 
offend our modern sensibilities,

929
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,160
then we don't like a God of 
justice. 

930
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,240
But when people have hurt us or 
hurt our family or they 

931
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,720
financially done something bad 
to us or whatever, then we want 

932
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,400
the God of justice. 
We want the God of rage. 

933
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,440
But you don't get to pick and 
choose when he does that. 

934
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,680
And when he's not that he's 
always that he's always a God of

935
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,400
perfect justice. 
And so whether you like that 

936
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,120
justice or not, he is going to 
enact it ultimately, of course, 

937
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,760
we know that he enacted all of 
this justice and all of this 

938
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,760
punishment on his own son for, 
for, for us. 

939
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,600
But we also can't get squeamish 
when God is doing what's in His 

940
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,880
character. 
It is in His character to be 

941
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,600
perfectly just, because if He 
was not perfectly just, we could

942
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,560
not, we could not rely on Him. 
And I heard this too once, and I

943
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,160
thought this was kind of 
interesting that only, only 

944
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,880
people who have never really, 
really suffered can get angry at

945
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,560
God when He creates judgment. 
Because here's the thing. 

946
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,040
If let's say you are, let's say 
you've been in a country where 

947
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,240
you've been ravished by a more 
powerful country next to you and

948
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,480
they've just done harmful and 
terrible things to you. 

949
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,480
Well, if, if I don't have, if I 
don't have a God of justice who 

950
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,880
I think will make every wrong 
right and will pay back what he 

951
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,360
needs to pay back in order for 
there to be justice done, I'm 

952
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,840
going to lose my mind and I'm 
going to go on a murdering spree

953
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,960
and I'm probably going to be 
killed. 

954
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,160
No, if I've really suffered, if 
my country, if I've, if my 

955
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,680
family has really suffered, I 
have to believe in a God of 

956
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,640
justice. 
Otherwise, I, I won't, I won't 

957
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,120
make next month because I'll 
take it into my own hands. 

958
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,720
And so let's not get offended 
when this God of justice does 

959
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,480
what's in his character. 
And also let's not be surprised 

960
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,640
in some ways when this God of 
love and mercy does what's 

961
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,560
within his character. 
It is both and we don't live 

962
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,360
well in that tension, but it is 
both and both. 

963
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,480
Those are his character traits. 
Right. 

964
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,520
And that's, that's when we long 
for mercy, right? 

965
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,000
When, when we see when, when 
it's a God of justice and we 

966
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,640
realize he is just, but we're in
the wrong, right then, then 

967
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,880
we're looking for mercy, not 
justice, right when, when, when 

968
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,360
we're in the good, then we want 
then we want justice like, like 

969
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,440
Jonah did. 
Jonah wanted justice, right, for

970
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,960
the, for the people who God 
ultimately showed mercy to. 

971
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,800
And and yet that is just in his 
mercy. 

972
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,760
That is justice to be merciful. 
So. 

973
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,080
Yeah, we get it wrong all the 
time. 

974
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,000
We do. 
We do so Moses the the last part

975
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,040
of this chapter and we touched 
on it in the message yesterday 

976
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,360
to Moses goes back up to God and
yeah, you're right God verse 

977
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,040
verse 31. 
These people have committed a 

978
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,040
great sin and have made for 
themselves a God of gold. 

979
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,320
Yet now if you will forgive 
their sin. 

980
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,400
If not blot me out of your book 
which you have written. 

981
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,240
So he's he comes back up and 
he's like OK, you were right. 

982
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,920
They would be in knuckleheads. 
That's a nice way to say they're

983
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,160
they're. 
As messed up as you said, you 

984
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,160
were right, God. 
But if I May 11, if I may add to

985
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,880
your idea, take me instead. 
Don't don't punish them. 

986
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,640
Take my he. 
He's saying block me out of the 

987
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,680
book of life, right? 
Take Take Me Out of this book in

988
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,400
their place. 
He knew their sin was so severe 

989
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,320
that animal sacrifice would not 
do it. 

990
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,320
It needed it needed to be the 
blood of a human, an image 

991
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,840
bearer of God. 
Of course it's not Jesus, but 

992
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,560
but we see the type of Christ in
him right there for the 

993
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,400
foreshadowing of the one who 
could bear it all in this 

994
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,160
gesture and God says, no, we're 
not we're not going to do that. 

995
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,840
Verse 33 whoever sin against me,
I will blot him out of my book. 

996
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,760
Now therefore, go lead the 
people to the place I've spoken 

997
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,480
to you, my Angel shall go before
you. 

998
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,440
But nevertheless, in the day 
when I visit for punishment, I 

999
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,200
will visit punishment upon them 
for their sin. 

1000
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,520
So Lord plagued the people 
because of what they did with 

1001
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:37,560
the calf that Aaron had made. 
So there's still fallout right 

1002
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,080
God, God, God acted in mercy. 
There was still punishment and 

1003
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,280
don't hear this. 
I I do not think that we have 

1004
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,320
these one to one instances of 
you. 

1005
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,760
You sin against God and this bad
thing happens in your life. 

1006
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,080
That's we don't we don't see 
that in in the Bible. 

1007
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,920
God acts injustice to his people
about these things. 

1008
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,760
I don't think our lives are that
binary. 

1009
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,480
One, one to one, kind of. 
No. 

1010
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,240
But go ahead. 
Oh no, I was just going to say, 

1011
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,720
sometimes we mistake what are 
perfectly normal consequences 

1012
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,920
for God's judgment. 
And it's like, well, guess what,

1013
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,600
give you a, give you a terrible 
example. 

1014
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,560
If I decide to sleep around and,
you know, have a lot of 

1015
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,120
different partners, you know, 
and I and I can track some 

1016
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,040
terrible disease, I could look 
at that and say, Oh my gosh, 

1017
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:36,480
especially if I'm at least 
slightly aware of Christianity 

1018
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,280
and stuff and feeling the law. 
I could be like, Oh my goodness,

1019
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,080
like God is punishing me for 
being a scoundrel and sleeping 

1020
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,280
around. 
When in reality, he doesn't even

1021
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,800
have to punish you because the 
natural consequences of your 

1022
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,400
proclivity to a lot of partners 
is it's doing the job. 

1023
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,160
He doesn't, he doesn't have to 
punish you. 

1024
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,720
He's not mad at you. 
He's not, he's not, you know, 

1025
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,480
damning you to hell. 
What's happening is they're just

1026
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,960
natural consequences to doing 
stupid things. 

1027
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,760
And so like, we need to 
recognize the difference because

1028
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,440
again, if God is truly just, all
of this, all of the sins that 

1029
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,600
you've ever committed or ever 
will commit have already been 

1030
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,360
paid for by Jesus. 
So therefore he can't take 

1031
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,200
double payment on the same sin. 
Therefore, logically, God cannot

1032
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,320
be punishing you for said sin. 
It is just a natural consequence

1033
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,400
of your own stupidity. 
Yeah, no, we, we do a really 

1034
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,680
good job of getting into a pity 
party of like individualizing 

1035
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,240
our own sin, which which, yes, 
we, we are individuals who have 

1036
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,640
sin, but there's a general sin 
problem, right? 

1037
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,320
We're we're in a world afflicted
by sin with, with disease and 

1038
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:55,560
WIC with sickness, with theft 
and, and fraud and scams and, 

1039
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040
and like just evil in, in our 
lives, right. 

1040
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,840
And, and we do such a good job 
of being like, Oh well, God must

1041
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,320
hate me and me a lot. 
No, we when you live in a place 

1042
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,440
surrounded by it like you're, 
you're, you're bound to catch a 

1043
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,280
stray every once in a while, 
right? 

1044
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,400
Yeah. 
You know what's really 

1045
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,440
interesting about that, that way
of thinking, and I suspect we've

1046
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,240
all done it, is even that way of
thinking. 

1047
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:17,960
It's really sinful to. 
It's really prideful because 

1048
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,480
it's so prideful. 
I'm so. 

1049
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:21,760
I'm so awesome. 
I'm so important. 

1050
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,440
Yeah, I'm so important that God 
needs to individually, you know,

1051
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,800
get out the switch and whip me 
because I'm that important, 

1052
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,040
right? 
And it's like, oh, come on, get 

1053
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,040
over yourself. 
This this pity party that you're

1054
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,560
throwing yourself, It's just 
another way of your sin coming 

1055
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,880
out. 
And it's kind of ugly. 

1056
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,120
So like, why don't you believe 
in Jesus? 

1057
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,680
Believe what the Bible says that
he's done for you and get over 

1058
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,520
it. 
Yeah, and it's also, it's also 

1059
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,040
just that line of thinking. 
It's wrong. 

1060
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,120
It's not, it's not from God. 
It's not the the sin that 

1061
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,760
afflict us. 
God does not tempt us. 

1062
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,560
That's that's the devil's job. 
Temptation and lies are the 

1063
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,640
other tools that he has. 
That's that's it. 

1064
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,800
So, and God is God of truth and,
and he doesn't act in 

1065
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,000
temptation. 
So Nope, that's it. 

1066
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,240
Exodus 32. 
We got a couple more weeks in 

1067
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,520
Moses and a couple and then it's
Christmas time. 

1068
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,960
Advent. 
Kristen was in the she had the 

1069
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,560
the elf jumpsuit on today. 
Yeah, Monday, November 10th. 

1070
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,080
Yikes. 
We're 45 days from Christmas. 

1071
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,360
All right, so we got a lot of 
days of Christmas left and she's

1072
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,880
already. 
She's already in the Christmas 

1073
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,240
time. 
Oh my God. 

1074
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,160
That's not me. 
When is OK? 

1075
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,520
When is appropriate for 
Christmas tree in your when? 

1076
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,800
When does a Christmas tree 
happen? 

1077
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,240
After Thanksgiving. 
Yes, OK. 

1078
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:41,920
That's the only correct. 
Answer Now, I don't hate on 

1079
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,640
people who like it sooner. 
That's fine. 

1080
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,800
But you've got to be careful. 
Please do not shove your 

1081
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,880
Christmas whatever. 
Please don't attempt to do that 

1082
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,760
In, in, in, in my in my 
headspace. 

1083
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,920
Don't attempt to do that in my 
headspace before Thanksgiving. 

1084
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,720
Please don't do. 
That that's that's usually when 

1085
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,480
I land on it too. 
So I still feel like that's 

1086
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,760
plenty early. 
One holiday, 11 holiday at a 

1087
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,080
time, friends. 
Like, let's not skip over. 

1088
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,040
Yeah, agreed. 
All right. 

1089
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,840
Well, you can throw your your 
Christmas advocacy or or tell us

1090
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,120
about our grinchiness on it. 
I know our Grinchiness. 

1091
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,960
Our Grinchiness, it's been 
great. 

1092
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,480
Thanks for hanging with us, 
Church. 

1093
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Have a blessed week.