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Happy Monday, we are back in to 
the ERC Leftovers podcast. 

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I'm Pastor Matt. 
Pastor. 

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Chris and Kristen's here too. 
Hello, I so Matt, Matt was doing

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he was checking Kristen's 
microphone and he made a really 

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funny. 
Clue. 

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And now I can't get it out of my
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Yeah, misses Doubtfire. 
Exactly. 

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That's not what I thought that 
was wrong. 

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So that's. 
Have you seen that movie? 

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No, no, I haven't. 
Oh my gosh. 

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Little baby boy pastor over 
here. 

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But miss, you don't want to 
watch a grown man dressed like 

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an old woman and, you know, lie 
to his ex-wife and con everybody

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in his life. 
Doesn't seem great. 

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OK, well Despite that 
description I gave it, there's a

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lot of good comments. 
You're like stifling. 

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You're not. 
This is. 

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You can have pure raw reaction 
in this space, but you get to 

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stay. 
Yeah, like you're in the room 

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for all this. 
Luckily, we don't have video 

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cameras, but you're you're a 
part of this. 

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Now we have the. 
I was thinking about this today 

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and this is dumb and weird. 
What's the abbreviation of your 

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job? 
Like is is it Doo? 

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Is it just the DO what as as the
director of operations? 

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Because I was, when we were 
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initially kicking around the 
Director of Ministry operations 

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like just, I don't know if 
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to be Domo and that and that 
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Domo, or you got the Mr. Roboto?
Domo, J. 

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CJT called me the doer. 
And that's so like I like do. 

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Yeah, if so Doo or just DO is 
fine. 

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Like because that's what you do.
You get things done, you do 

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things. 
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which is fine because today's 
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different than our usual. 
I don't know. 

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It's not going to be that 
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We're just not talking about 
sermon today. 

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We have a couple Ask Me Anything
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still going to get into some 
theological discussions. 

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But we've opened it to you, 
congregation, to just let us 

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know what you're wondering about
and what we should talk about 

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and how we can have a 
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And by the way, if you do not 
hear your question that you 

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submitted answered on this 
episode, we've got another one 

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coming up. 
And so TuneIn to the next one if

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you don't catch it on this one. 
But please know that we did 

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receive all your questions and 
we are excited to answer them. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
So we are going to keep it to 

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about an hour or so. 
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and only answer 3 questions in 
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going to be. 
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we, we will. 
And but we'll just, we're also 

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just going to record some extra 
and ask me anything episodes too

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and just have those to, to fall 
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episodes every once in a while. 
We'll we'll see what, what goes.

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So we appreciate all your 
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And yeah, you have to listen to 
both of them to see if we really

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didn't answer your question 
through both of them. 

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And it's burning and like you 
gots to know to your question. 

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We can definitely we can go get 
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conversation with you too. 
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theological ones for sure, 
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awkward as it is to feel like, 
how do we we do this as 

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Christians? 
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feel like I'm the only one that 
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Like this is weird and I don't 
have an answer to this but we 

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feel like everyone else has it 
figured out when in reality 

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probably most of the room is 
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So I do want to get to all of 
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Like just because we have 
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I really don't think you are the
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thing. 
I really doubt it. 

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There's no way, you know, I've 
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not necessarily on this topic, 
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going to say this, it'll sound 
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that way. 
I'm not that special. 

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What I mean by that is like my 
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I'm the only one who has ever 
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It wasn't so long ago I had like
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for a, yeah, sermon 
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And as soon as it came out of my
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most genius thing I've ever 
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There's no way anybody on earth 
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thought this. 
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couple days after the sermon, I 
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like, oh, come on, some dude in 
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similar thought. 
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See. 
So in other words, like all that

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to say, if you have a question, 
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one who has that question. 
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Yeah, nothing, nothing new under
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to kind of repeat itself. 
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going to dive in. 
We don't have an ice breaker 

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because they're all kind of Ice 
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We have the ice breaker, but 
Miss Domo over here. 

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I like that one. 
Like the doer is fine, but yeah,

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so what's the, what's the first 
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Kristen's gonna be the question 
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And you're, I mean, you're 
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especially on the on the funny 
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Yeah, but. 
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important. 
Which Disney Princess would you 

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be and why? 
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All right. 
Just going right for it this. 

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This is good. 
I am so excited about this 

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question. 
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Who? 
Who would like to go first? 

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Oh my. 
Well, I don't oh, man, I can't 

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take the pastor hat off. 
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So my immediate reaction to this
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God made God made me. 
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that time because God created 
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You're a. 
Princess, I'm sorry. 

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That's just, that's just 
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Like that's just not we, we 
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grandmas thought it was cute to 
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play dress up with his Princess 
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And I, I was viscerally mad. 
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I was like, no, get him out of 
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So anyway, that's my initial 
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that I'm not a Princess and I'm 
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So why don't you jump in? 
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to take off like rational 
logical binary mat right now and

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and let he doesn't let my 
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little bit here, OK. 
I I hope it actually you I think

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you actually like cued me in 
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explanation of I'm not a 
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which Princess I in fact am I. 
In fact, am Wow. 

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Well, no well would be in this 
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My apologies, I'm not. 
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To be this person. 
OK, Mulan, here's why. 

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OK, here's why. 
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is the box you live in, don't go
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or another. 
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to getting outside of the box is
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I hope you appreciate this. 
She goes and dresses like a man,

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correct? 
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I'm going to be a Princess, I'll
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a man and fights with swords and
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this really cool stuff. 
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absolutely love that character 
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OK, all right, that's, that's 
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I, I follow the train of logic 
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that I would choose, I, I went a
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thinking about this question 
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favorite Disney Princess that's 
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would be probably right. 
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Favorite Disney Princess is 
Jasmine. 

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OK. 
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Like Aladdin, it's the pants. 
It's the It's the future. 

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I yeah, I I think Aladdin is my 
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like barn. 
That's my favorite Disney 

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Princess movie. 
I don't know, maybe of that. 

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Yeah, no, I think I would still 
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Any of the subsequent ones, the 
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King, Aladdin, Fox and the Hound
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just my favorite Disney movie. 
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Had a good run. 
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Mermaid, more than whatever 
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So, and maybe that's maybe 
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So I think though, in thinking 
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princesses, though, I think, I 
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She's the little redheaded 
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pushing against the bounds of 
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to be or, or conforming to. 
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Conforming to what is designed 
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Yeah. 
Breaking out of that box similar

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to Mulan, which made. 
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retelling. 
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I mean, there was the modern day
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for like Mulan. 
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the real life plot line, right. 
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So yeah, I think it'd be 
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she's Yeah, she's just awesome. 
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she's OK with being royalty, but
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Princess. 
I think is is a large of what it

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escape this. 
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Not from the. 
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all Princess. 
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Should answer the Princess 
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Are you? 
Sure, because we had we had to 

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jump into a different no. 
That's fair. 

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That's fair. 
Wow. 

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I feel like oh man though I feel
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and I feel like much less is 
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Like which Prince do you 
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I. 
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but if I could be a male 
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would be guest on. 
Really. 

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Oh yes, he's the worst I know. 
And that's why he's awesome. 

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What? 
Yeah, look at me. 

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He's, like, as big as a barge, 
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And like, you know, he's hanging
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everybody loves him and, like, I
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gassed on. 
I know he loses in the end, but 

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he's also hilarious. 
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I don't know, I just, I've 
always been enthralled by him. 

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OK, so is is Kristoff from 
Frozen a Prince? 

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Did they ever get married? 
I can't. 

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They didn't actually get 
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That's a great question. 
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Cannot. 
Oh my goodness, I'm I've seen 

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both of them. 
He's. 

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Not a Prince. 
Well, but would. 

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But Anna is a Princess, so if 
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Prince, right? 
That's how that works, right? 

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OK. 
He's going to look that up. 

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But Kristen, you don't get to 
avoid this question, OK? 

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Am IA Prince though. 
Right, and and again, it's I'm 

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biased. 
I feel like Aladdin is like the 

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best Prince of all the like if 
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Prince Eric from Ariel, but even
like the the Prince that no, you

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don't and you don't really want 
to be Eric. 

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But even like the Prince from 
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him No or. 
The Beast. 

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What's his actual name? 
Beastie it's. 

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Pirates of the Caribbean. 
I don't know. 

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Yeah, I feel like, I feel like 
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harder. 
There's not like a Disney 

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Princess that I would want to be
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Well, but then again, this is 
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show. 
Therefore, we have to give her 

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the challenge out of the gate, 
otherwise it's like we're taking

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it too easy on her. 
This is terrible. 

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That's not. 
All right, so. 

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Christophe, can he be a Prince? 
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gets confusing. 
Christophe and Anna are married 

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in the Frozen universe in Frozen
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Christophe proposes and she 
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king and queen of Arendelle. 
Because Elsa is not, she 

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renounces the throne. 
So he's technically king, not a 

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Prince. 
Yeah. 

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But he would be the best pick. 
I think so out of. 

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Like King Prince. 
Royal for male royalty his knee.

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I think it's Christophe He. 
Was kind and caring. 

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Like, yeah, he didn't have all 
the body hair. 

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What do you have against body 
hair? 

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I don't. 
Want to be beast? 

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Oh, I suppose it's a lot. 
Of work. 

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Oh man, OK, so I, I am 
interested though, and we've 

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we've gone around the circle 
Princess just for you as the 

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female in the room. 
What's what's the Princess role 

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that you would like? 
Elsa. 

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Oh, for reasons of like. 
She also just doesn't care and 

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has unwieldy gifts and. 
When she was just willing to go 

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out and the relationship the 
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That's pretty. 
Good For me, like, as a woman, 

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that was what was cool about 
watching those movies is that it

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wasn't a man that came to save 
them necessarily. 

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Like it was the first time 
Disney was like, hey, like girls

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could do some stuff too. 
Like, I thought that was cool. 

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Yeah. 
Have you seen the Frozen movies,

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Chris? 
I saw the first one and it was 

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entertaining enough, but also 
recall, you know, that song from

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that movie bled into the culture
and it was just too much, OK. 

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I just feel your pick of Gaston.
I feel like that is the the 1st 

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douchebag Prince in in in in 
frozen like that's that's the 

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same that's the same role as 
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like pulls a fast one on Anna 
and and wants to extricate Elsa 

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and they recycled. 
I can't even remember his name 

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right. 
I. 

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Mean it's because. 
You don't remember the names of 

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Disney princesses because 
they're insignificant Beast, by 

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the way, human form Prince Adam.
Name is. 

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Adam wow, today years old when I
learned that. 

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Fun fact. 
Yeah. 

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Definitely needed that. 
So all right, I. 

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Think we I think we beat the 
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think we covered that from all 
bases. 

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So, OK, Anna Merida. 
Mulan and. 

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Mulan OK. 
I like fierce. 

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Yeah. 
Fierce and dresses like a man. 

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Two attributes Grace appreciates
about himself, I do appreciate. 

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That I dress like a man. 
I'm I'm quite happy with that 

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choice. 
We appreciate that too. 

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Right, yes, All right, let's 
dive into something, something a

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little more serious. 
What? 

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What's on your list Kristen at? 
Times during the service, like 

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at the end of the service when 
the pastor gives a final 

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blessing, I feel like saying 
Amen but I have not heard others

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saying it. 
Is it awkward for the church to 

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say Amen? 
This question is so good. 

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I love it because our little 
quiet Midwest nice corner of the

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Kingdom like embodies this 
question. 

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Is it OK to say Amen? 
I feel like that's a tension in 

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the room and maybe it's maybe we
haven't taught enough on this. 

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So what does Amen mean? 
What is Amen? 

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Yeah. 
So the definition of Amen is so 

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be it or let it be true. 
So Jesus will sometimes start 

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sentences with Amen, Amen, and 
the Bible will often times 

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translate that into truly, 
truly, I tell you. 

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But really what he's saying is 
I'm doubling down on the fact of

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what I'm about to say is 
absolute, unequivocal truth. 

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So when we say Amen at the end 
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prayer or something along those 
lines, what we're really doing 

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is saying, Lord, let this be 
true for for us, for your 

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Kingdom, for our community, 
etcetera, etcetera. 

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So, yeah, when you give a good 
old Amen at the end of 

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something, you're saying, yeah, 
you're right, let that let that 

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thing that you just said be 
true. 

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So should we in fact encourage 
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We probably should that's it. 
Sounds really cliche, like if 

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you watch if you watch reels or 
you see like those really 

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expressive preachers on social 
media that there's crowd, 

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there's crowd noise and there's 
like, yeah, Amen. 

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Preach. 
Like I feel like that almost 

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gives it a bad rap that it's 
just, yeah, let's let's scream 

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churchy words at the preacher. 
That's encouraging. 

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It is encouraging. 
But like, that's the deeper 

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meaning in it. 
I was also, there's also a sense

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of agreement in it, right? 
Like that, that encouragement, 

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that affirmation of not only let
it be true, but like, yes, I, I 

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agree with that being, I agree 
with that truth. 

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I, I want that truth And, and 
yes, I want to live that truth 

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too. 
So no, it shouldn't be awkward. 

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And we probably should say it 
much more often like that. 

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That should be our response to 
truth, right? 

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It's why we close prayers with 
the word Amen, right? 

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I mean, hopefully thoughtfully 
worded, meaningfully said, God 

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honoring prayers. 
That's that's what we would 

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close with, Amen. 
But it's not, it's not just like

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it's not just like a period. 
It's not just a salutation at 

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the end of the prayer. 
Oh, it is kind of a salutation 

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at the end of the prayer. 
But that's what it means is yes,

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I want, I want this truth to 
happen. 

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So. 
Yeah, I, you know what, let me 

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let me interject here for a 
second. 

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And this is this may be only 
personal to me, but Matt pointed

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out the fact that like we are in
kind of a Midwest more like, you

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know, we're not going to 
interrupt because that feels 

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rude and saying Amen feels like 
an interruption or it feels like

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a, hey, everybody look at me. 
I really don't think that's what

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that is. 
I really do think that man, if 

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God is moving in you in such a 
way that you want to affirm what

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is happening in this room 
vocally, absolutely, you know, 

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And so I, I almost look at it in
some ways not that much 

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different than like, all right. 
So if I'm in worship in music, 

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for example, and you know, the 
thought or the, the, the Spirit 

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comes to say, man, lift your 
hands in the air to God. 

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I should not deny the Holy 
Spirit that moment of using my 

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body in worship in the same way 
then that Amen is like, let's 

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not deny ourselves that moment 
of holy worship through 

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agreement with what God is doing
through his word. 

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And I'll tell you from my 
particular position, you know, 

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in, in preaching, and this might
only be my opinion, but like 

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when I look at a, a room full of
200 people, and I've said this 

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before, you guys have awesome 
poker faces. 

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Not super helpful for me as a 
public speaker, Not great 

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because I don't know what's 
connecting or if there's anybody

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listening, or if I'm like, I've 
droned on too long, I need to 

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stop, right? 
But when somebody has the 

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courage to agree by saying 
something like, Amen, I'm like, 

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yes, OK, you're with me. 
I, I know you're following me 

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and I know like you're hearing 
the word of God. 

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So like I really appreciate 
those. 

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Things. 
And to me, it's not distracting,

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it's affirming, and it's telling
me that like, you're with me. 

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That's interesting. 
There's one of, there's one of 

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our elders who I don't know why 
he's honed in on this and I 

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don't think it's always the case
every week. 

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In fact, there were a couple 
young, there were some moms that

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came up to me this past Sunday 
and apologized for they, they 

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thought their children were 
being distracting during the 

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service. 
For me, at least, I don't notice

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that. 
I don't know. 

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It's from years of having my 
kids just in the front row that 

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I just block it out. 
Like I, I don't know. 

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I've had moms apologize before. 
It does not throw me off in the 

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middle of preaching like I had 
no point. 

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Am I like trying to fight 
through out cries from babies? 

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I, I just, it's, it's not a 
thing. 

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But there's one, there's one 
elder here who when he, when he 

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compliments me for a message or 
encourages me after a message, 

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usually brings up like, man, the
room is so quiet today. 

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Like they were, they were locked
in. 

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And it's interesting that his 
perspective is quietness is 

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locked in because because for 
me, like, and I, I get that 

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there's a little fear in me that
the quiet also means like 

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checked out or sleeping or, or 
or not like, that's not, that's 

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not how he takes it. 
I guess. 

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So I can, I can see it both ways
because I mean, what do you do? 

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The one of the best tactics for 
a room of unruly children is to 

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start whispering, right? 
Because they, they, they have to

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bring the volume level down to 
hear what you're saying or 

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they're, or they're going to 
miss it. 

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So I, I see the logic in that 
where there's a quiet room, but 

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I also like if we have somehow 
discouraged reaction or 

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affirmations of a man, that's 
that's not our intent at all. 

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We would both we would welcome 
that in, in response to song, in

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response to preaching, in 
response to the simple reading 

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of God's word. 
That's that's what it is. 

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That's what's behind the Amen. 
It was. 

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It was an affirmation and 
acceptance, a compulsion of yes,

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let it be true. 
Yeah. 

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And actually as you were 
talking, by the way, thank you 

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for mentioning some of those 
things because I had not thought

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about it from that perspective. 
But one of the things that I 

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realized that I do from time to 
time is like if we are, you 

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know, if I'm in like a line of 
thought that like I'm really 

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trying to grab our audience with
sometimes I will ask Amen as a 

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question to get that pulled out 
of you to say Amen. 

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And then a couple of smattering 
and people go Amen. 

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I'm like, OK, great, you got it 
and we move on. 

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But that is something that I 
don't actually think about doing

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before I do it. 
It's more of just like a are you

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with me? 
Yeah, I'm checking it. 

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Are you let it be true, question
mark, let it be true, yes. 

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Like that's the, that's the 
exchange there. 

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Yeah, so. 
No, it's not awkward to say 

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Amen. 
We do it. 

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We would welcome it. 
And maybe maybe we need to 

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encourage it because I think 
you've done this a couple times.

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Encourage it in this way. 
You're making a face at me, 

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which I wish we had cameras, but
encourage it in this way. 

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Like sometimes I think you've 
done this and you say and all 

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God's people said, sure, that's 
a healthy way to encourage that 

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without make, without dividing 
the room and making some people 

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feel like, yes. 
And you know, that's, I think 

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that's the right way to do that.
Throw that in there more often. 

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All right, Next all. 
Right. 

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What's your thought about making
the sign of the cross during the

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service? 
So we have some people that that

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feels natural to do that. 
What are your thoughts? 

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OK, what are my thoughts? 
My first. 

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OK, again, we're just first 
thought unfiltered in response 

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to the Princess question too. 
I also think of I think of 

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Aladdin right away when I hear 
that word. 

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You look like OK, I got Aladdin 
on the brain today. 

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But in the big Prince Ali song, 
one of one of Robin Williams, 

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the genius characters lies is 
lines is a genuflect show some 

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respect down on one knee. 
So like I don't know that that 

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word genuflect, which is the is 
the sign of the cross. 

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So that's why anyway, I think of
Aladdin when thinking of this 

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question done with Aladdin talk,
hopefully for the rest of the 

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episode. 
So I don't think it's again, bad

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or awkward. 
It's not in our Protestant 

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tradition really. 
It's a very, I mean, it's more 

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of a Catholic thing, right? 
And I don't know that there is 

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maybe maybe some like, I don't 
know, like Greek, Greek Orthodox

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or some like really conservative
wings of Protestantism also do 

446
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that. 
But I immediately think of the 

447
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,880
Catholic Church in thinking of 
that. 

448
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,080
And the only question I guess I 
would have, I don't have a 

449
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:29,520
problem with it would be the why
it is, is it, is it out of 

450
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,960
obligation? 
Is it something that you feel 

451
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:37,520
you need to do to like be worthy
to receive the truth or the 

452
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,720
presence of God in that place? 
Because I also think of like 

453
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,040
usually when you walk into a 
Catholic Chapel, there's like 

454
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,880
the the bowl of holy water there
too, right? 

455
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,560
And usually do that. 
And so like, I see that whole 

456
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:55,520
construct as, oh, you're making 
yourself worthy to come into 

457
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:01,600
this space. 
And I guess that posture is 

458
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,160
fine, but I just don't think 
it's necessary. 

459
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,880
I, I, I don't, I don't think 
that is required to enter the 

460
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,480
House of God to, to come before 
God and worship with people or 

461
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,760
really anywhere. 
So if it's done out of 

462
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,720
obligation or a sense of 
unworthiness, I would just say, 

463
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,720
well, if you're a believer and 
you profess the name of Jesus 

464
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,560
and that he died for your sins, 
you're, you're, you are worthy. 

465
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,200
You're, you're, you're covered 
by all of that. 

466
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,640
So if it's something that is 
genuine respect and reverence 

467
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,520
for for God, and it's a gesture 
of approaching him, Father, Son,

468
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,480
Holy Spirit, here I am before 
you. 

469
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,280
Sure. 
Then you flecked it up. 

470
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,040
Yeah. 
So let me jump in and give what 

471
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,680
uscatholic.org gives us like a 
what I would say is a light 

472
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,400
historical background quote. 
It is curious the fact that the 

473
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,520
cross does not appear in 
Christian art until the 4th 

474
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,360
century, but the tracing of the 
cross on the forehead with thumb

475
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:08,760
or index finger is found in 
popular Christian usage as early

476
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,760
as the 2nd century. 
So they will go on to say that 

477
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,640
it was not commonplace until 
more like the 4th or 5th century

478
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
to do that. 
But one of the things that they 

479
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,280
say here that I really actually 
like a lot is first is quote 

480
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,160
1st. 
Every religious tradition 

481
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,200
incorporates bodily gestures to 
thicken the power of religious 

482
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,760
language. 
In that sense, the sign of the 

483
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,000
cross is a form of body language
like gestures of raising hands 

484
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,280
in prayer, kneeling, bowing, and
so on and so forth. 

485
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,920
So if you look at Protestantism,
Martin Luther, and this is not a

486
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Catholic website, I'm doing this
research on on the other one, 

487
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,840
but Martin Luther encouraged 
people to do that. 

488
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,480
And so like somewhere along the 
way, Protestantism lost that 

489
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,240
sense of wanting to do that or 
feeling like they need to do 

490
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,800
that. 
But again, I, I love the way the

491
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,520
the Catholic website put that is
like a thickening power of 

492
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,560
religious language. 
And so man, do we have to know 

493
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,880
there's no law. 
There's and even the Catholic 

494
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,520
uscatholic.org website talks 
about that. 

495
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,080
There's no law about it. 
There's no biblical basis or 

496
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,520
saying you have to do this. 
So I therefore I don't see 

497
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,040
anything incorrect or wrong with
it. 

498
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,480
I just think it's not widely 
used in the Protestant church. 

499
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,960
And so then when you use that in
a Protestant church setting like

500
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,360
Lutheranism or Methodist or 
whatever, it's going to feel 

501
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,480
strange maybe for people to see 
that because now we so closely 

502
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,000
associate with that that with 
Catholicism. 

503
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360
But it is. 
But again, even in the 1500s, 

504
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Martin Luther, that was not 
strictly a, you know, like 

505
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,280
Martin Luther wouldn't wanted us
to have stopped that practice if

506
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,240
we found it beneficial, in other
words. 

507
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,800
And I also, I would say I know 
some of you, plenty of you are 

508
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,640
from a Catholic background and 
maybe maybe you do readily feel 

509
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,200
this tension on a weekly basis, 
like this is something you grew 

510
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,080
up with and is is something you 
do. 

511
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,560
There have been visitors here, 
especially this summer for 

512
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520
graduation Sunday and 
Confirmation Sunday and some 

513
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,560
baptisms that we've had, like 
I've noticed visitors or 

514
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,880
individuals in the congregation 
anytime we've, we've said 

515
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Father, Son and Holy Spirit, 
which we usually, I mean, we say

516
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,800
that in the benediction, usually
at the end or sometimes when 

517
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,960
reading scripture or sometimes 
in the communion readings, the, 

518
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,320
the words of institution or, or 
what it might be. 

519
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,680
We do say those words. 
And I have noticed there being 

520
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,920
individuals on Sunday morning 
doing that. 

521
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080
And I didn't, I didn't think it 
was weird. 

522
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,960
I in the moment, I think I was 
more struck with the reverence 

523
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,240
that they have that, that, Oh 
no, this is reminding myself of 

524
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
the greatness of Father, Son, 
Holy Spirit. 

525
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,640
So if that's, if that's your 
posture, I like that. 

526
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,600
That is kind of like muscle 
memory to, to reinforce the 

527
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,720
words that are being said. 
If that's if that's the posture,

528
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,520
sure. 
If it's a sense of just habitual

529
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,240
tradition with no real extra 
meaning attached to it, it's 

530
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,240
probably not necessary. 
Well, and I don't know if people

531
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,520
see this, but like, you know, 
for baptisms, for example, when 

532
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,120
there is water applied sometimes
like that is in the sign of a 

533
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,080
cross. 
Or when there's healing, you 

534
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,000
know, a healing prayer with oil,
it's in the sign of a cross. 

535
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,560
And so all of those things, Ash 
Wednesday, Yeah, Ash Wednesday, 

536
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,000
all those things have, you know,
church tradition. 

537
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,240
I don't know why I brought that 
up after the audience is like, 

538
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,280
what is Ash Wednesday? 
We don't, we don't have an Ash 

539
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,840
Wednesday service here, but. 
That's a can of worms. 

540
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,720
But, but no, I mean, honestly, 
like I don't think there's 

541
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,600
anything wrong with it, 
especially as Matt said, like if

542
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,400
your heart's there, because that
gives you that greater sense of 

543
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,360
spiritual connection with your 
Father and the Son and the Holy 

544
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,080
Spirit. 
Hey, more power to you. 

545
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,640
Yeah. 
And that's, that's really that 

546
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920
heart posture is where it is. 
I'm sure. 

547
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,720
I think there's a lot more of 
you that are comfortable with it

548
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,160
then maybe you were 567 years 
ago. 

549
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560
But I, I wear hats a lot of the 
time. 

550
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,560
I, I, I preached in a hat this 
past Sunday. 

551
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,400
I've had conversations with some
of you about why I do that or 

552
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:41,760
why, why I don't take it off or,
and if any of you are truly 

553
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,240
questioning, I, I think the 
heart matters more than that. 

554
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,760
If you're concerned about my 
standing before God in that I 

555
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,440
need to take my hat off to be 
worthy before him, I would I 

556
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,840
would welcome that conversation,
but on the surface I I think I 

557
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,080
would disagree with the premise 
of that conversation, but I'd 

558
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,440
love to talk about it. 
So I like with anything with 

559
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,400
that with what we wear on a 
side. 

560
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,320
I wear a tie like twice a year. 
Maybe I'm not that there's 

561
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,680
anything wrong with that if if 
you wear, but if you wear a tie 

562
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,880
out of a sense of obligation, 
because it's church and this is 

563
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,520
what we wear. 
If you, if you, I don't know, I 

564
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,360
think that's slippery slope. 
If you wear a tie out of a sense

565
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,360
of no, I'm going to I'm I'm 
dressing my best to come before 

566
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,560
my maker. 
And and this is this is a 

567
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320
physical action to affirm the 
words that I'm saying. 

568
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,760
No, I am, I am coming before you
to exalt you in in my best. 

569
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,120
Great. 
That's but what's the heart 

570
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,560
behind it? 
That's what matters. 

571
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,240
In the same way I've heard 
people talk about dressing their

572
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,040
worst to to reveal this is this 
is how broken I am. 

573
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,120
And yet I, I come here to 
worship you even inside my 

574
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,800
brokenness. 
So I oh. 

575
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,320
We see that I mean Job right 
dressed himself in sackcloth and

576
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280
came before the Lord like that 
was that was also a cultural 

577
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,680
just sign of God. 
I got nothing left and I need 

578
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,160
you because I'm coming with 
nothing, right. 

579
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,000
So yeah, that's interesting. 
That's. 

580
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,880
Cool, I like that one. 
All right, a little lighter, but

581
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,200
it's probably going to be a hard
one. 

582
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,320
Oh boy. 
Favorite pizza topping? 

583
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,640
Wow, OK, I'm. 
Going to make mad mad. 

584
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,920
You're going to make me mad. 
Oh, I know. 

585
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,560
What you're saying? 
Oh. 

586
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,160
Yeah, I know what you're saying.
No, it is the worst answer, but 

587
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,880
there's going to be a lot of 
people that agree with you. 

588
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,040
OK? 
Are we picking one or are we 

589
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,400
like making your ideal pizza 
the. 

590
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Question has plural toppings. 
Favorite pizza toppings I feel. 

591
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,400
Like, yeah, what's your, like, 
favorite pizza? 

592
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,240
If you're going to make your 
ideal best pizza ever, what's on

593
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:50,920
it? 
Perfect. 

594
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,960
OK, now let's just let's just 
clarify before anybody answers 

595
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,520
anything. 
The only real foodie in this 

596
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,680
room is Matt, and so I'm going 
to probably say some stuff 

597
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,120
that's going to make him shake 
his head, but it'll just 

598
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,600
entertain me all the more 
because I know he's going to 

599
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,199
answer. 
With things that aren't actually

600
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,560
pizza topic he's. 
Great to see, Super. 

601
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,560
So there you go. 
Kristen, you want to kick this 

602
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,199
off? 
I'm going to go. 

603
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,679
First, OK, so it's pineapple. 
Just pineapple. 

604
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Not the ham, not Hawaiian. 
Just pineapple. 

605
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,880
And like lots of it. 
Yes, I. 

606
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Want pineapple in every bite? 
Yes. 

607
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,520
Yes. 
That's gross. 

608
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,639
High 50, man, I don't like that.
I don't like that answer. 

609
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,480
OK, well I will and I think I've
actually shared it. 

610
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,760
Not even the meat, like just. 
Sauce in it for the. 

611
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,280
Pineapple came. 
For the pineapple, stay for the 

612
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,560
cheese. 
I like it less now. 

613
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,400
Oh man, you. 
Know what? 

614
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,440
OK, so not a fan. 
So I think I mentioned it 

615
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,120
before, but I'll give the short 
version. 

616
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,280
My gateway pizza into liking 
pizza at all was Taco pizza. 

617
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,520
And so some people will tell you
that if you put all the toppings

618
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,000
of a Taco on top of a pizza, 
it's no longer pizza. 

619
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,360
But I will tell you that I do 
not care. 

620
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,120
It's awesome and Taco pizza is 
the best thing ever. 

621
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,120
Wow, OK. 
Do you have a you discriminate 

622
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,480
between the Taco pizzas? 
Because everyone like Cappy 

623
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,240
Joe's says they're the OG, 
right? 

624
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:37,160
Like they're they're the 1st. 
Yeah, because they didn't use 

625
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,280
sauce, they use beans on the 
bottom. 

626
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,080
OK. 
OK, so but everyone has a Taco 

627
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,120
pizza like Godfathers and 
Casey's and Hall of Fame. 

628
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,600
They all even, I don't know, 
does Papa John's do a Taco 

629
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,240
piece? 
I don't know. 

630
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,480
We had Taco John's way down in 
Davenport, but. 

631
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,960
I don't know if they still do I.
Don't so like is there a best of

632
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,520
the but where where do you 
prefer the Taco pizza? 

633
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,880
You know what, if you can get it
supreme minus olives at Happy 

634
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Joe's, it might be the best. 
Wow it. 

635
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,720
Might be the best, but it yes, 
supreme, basically supreme means

636
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:14,120
it's going they're going to use 
sour cream like embedded in the 

637
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,640
pizza like you're not going to 
put. 

638
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,880
Up do they still do the bean? 
And and bean and chips and 

639
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,480
tomato and lettuce and onion and
but I just take off the black 

640
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,680
olives. 
But otherwise their supreme Taco

641
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,040
is in fact, supreme. 
Yeah, I went there. 

642
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,080
I said it. 
So good. 

643
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,680
I love all right. 
So the foodie in the room needs 

644
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,080
to give us like I'm. 
Going to give you a very foodie 

645
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,520
answer. 
OK, so there is a chain of pizza

646
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,880
restaurants and they might be 
outside the Twin Cities, 

647
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Minneapolis Saint Paul area, but
I first experienced them in the 

648
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,400
Minneapolis Saint Paul area 
while Emily was at college at 

649
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,840
the University of Minnesota. 
But they're called Punch Pizza. 

650
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,840
And they're one of these like 
Neapolitan 506 hundred degree 

651
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
brick oven that you order the 
thing and it takes like 90 

652
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,320
seconds and it's it's done. 
It's good to go. 

653
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,680
It's on the hand, hand tossed 
crust that gets singed on the 

654
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,760
outside and high quality 
ingredients and everything. 

655
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,480
So my favorite combination on 
their menu, it's called the 

656
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,520
Siciliana. 
It is prosciutto artichokes, 

657
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,360
Ascalene olives and basil. 
And if it's with their classic 

658
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,400
marinara and mozzarella on there
too, because that's just what 

659
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,480
comes on it. 
So that's that is my favorite 

660
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,280
like combination of toppings on 
pizza, prosciutto, artichoke, 

661
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,920
olive and basil. 
And not just like your regular 

662
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,240
green they're they're Ascalene 
olives that are like green Greek

663
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,040
olives. 
You. 

664
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,960
Definitely lost me on the olives
and the artichoke. 

665
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,440
There's no way. 
There's no way. 

666
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,400
Wow. 
You know, like artichoke dip. 

667
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,600
Oh, no, I'll leave it. 
I'll leave it. 

668
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,280
OK on the pizza note though. 
So because Matt's the foodie and

669
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Chris's nut. 
Oh. 

670
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,520
No, I remember in high school 
there was leftover pizza left in

671
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,720
your car one night. 
One night, I don't remember 

672
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,160
what, what kind of what, there 
was Taco there. 

673
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,160
And the next morning he went out
and he got in his car and he ate

674
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,520
it like it's. 
Still, good ships were stale and

675
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,840
gross. 
OK, so this was like during the 

676
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,720
summer time. 
So when I got back into my car 

677
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,640
the next day, and mind you this 
is Pizza Hut's Taco with stuffed

678
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,400
crust. 
So when I got into my car the 

679
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,320
next day, it was sitting in the 
back window sill and it was hot 

680
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,120
and I was like, dude, what's the
difference? 

681
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,720
It's like if I more questions, 
it's like if I just put it in 

682
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,360
the microwave, it's fine. 
And here I am all these years 

683
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,120
later. 
I did not die. 

684
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,080
He. 
Didn't Well, and I wonder, like,

685
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,840
have you even had food 
poisoning? 

686
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,160
I have. 
Yes, he has. 

687
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,880
Yeah, it was that it was later 
that day for sure. 

688
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,560
No, I actually, and I don't know
if this is true, but I actually 

689
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,440
think, I think I kind of have an
iron stomach. 

690
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,760
No, I'm not joking. 
Like and that's not a brag 

691
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,400
thing, probably. 
With your buckets of cottage 

692
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,680
cheese, yeah. 
Yeah, that's not a brag thing. 

693
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:22,320
It's just like, I've been given 
this gift of, Yep, given a gift,

694
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,560
I said it of just being able to 
consume really terrible things 

695
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,760
and not really feel a lot of 
negative repercussions, at least

696
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,800
on the surface. 
So the only time I ever actually

697
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,640
did get food poisoning? 
McDonald's. 2:00 AM, Iowa City. 

698
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,480
So many poor decisions in. 
That sentence, a lot of poor 

699
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,400
decisions led to that poor 
decision, which led to a 

700
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,440
terrible day. 
So that's a good record, though 

701
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,320
that's the only one. 
That's the only one. 

702
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,640
Back to the Taco pizza, just 
because I'm always curious, I'm 

703
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,760
not a huge fan of cold pizza in 
general. 

704
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:05,760
OK. 
So, but you'll do the weird rear

705
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,560
view windshield leftover Taco 
pizza that sat on your car. 

706
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,160
Story aside, will you reheat 
Taco pizza? 

707
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,960
The lettuce gets a little bit 
funky, it does, but yes. 

708
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:20,200
And and then aren't the chips. 
Oh, they're chewy. 

709
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,000
Yeah. 
OK. 

710
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,760
All right. 
Yeah. 

711
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,960
So for. 
Those reasons like for me Taco 

712
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,320
pizza is 1 and done if it's not 
finished in that sitting, it's 

713
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,320
gone like like I will throw, I 
will actively throw it but. 

714
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,240
This is why people should 
respect your opinions on food 

715
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,960
and they should not respect mine
because I do things like that. 

716
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,680
You're. 
Willing to Burrow your head 

717
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,400
through the through the chewy 
Doritos and the wilted lettuce 

718
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,680
just to enjoy the Taco pizza. 
Yeah, that's right. 

719
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,080
I'm not willing to do that. 
I'll stick with my artichokes 

720
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,080
and prosciutto. 
Thank you. 

721
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,040
Don't don't respect my choices 
on food. 

722
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,720
You nobody should look to me for
advice on that topic that was. 

723
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,280
A good one. 
I like that that came in I I 

724
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,280
feel like we don't need to 
attach names, but that was that 

725
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,880
was that was little little 
Brooks Perrin. 

726
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,920
I know that was that was a child
submitted question I. 

727
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Would love to know Brooks 
favorite pizza and I would. 

728
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,400
Like to know which one of our 
pizzas he would eat because I 

729
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,840
don't think it's Matt's. 
I don't think it's yours either,

730
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,400
but it's the Taco pizza. 
Let's go bro I. 

731
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,120
Think Chris probably wins either
that he's got like a super 

732
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,880
refined palette for a 5 year old
and I that would be very excited

733
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,240
about the life that he's going 
to lead. 

734
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,200
All right, gentlemen, that's 
awesome. 

735
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,800
Enough about pizza. 
When we go to heaven, are we 

736
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,480
going to what it will be 
currently, or are we transported

737
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,520
in time to heaven here on earth?
All right, I'm going to be 

738
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,520
honest, I did not. 
We have a show doc. 

739
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,240
I did not fully read through 
this question before right now, 

740
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:01,320
but exploded my mind whole a 
little a little bit. 

741
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,840
I have so much, so much 
reaction. 

742
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,880
But you have you did you did 
some research and some actual 

743
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,160
responsible pastorly things in 
response to this. 

744
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,000
So I'm going to let you jump off
the first thing that kind of 

745
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,440
what what it will be like 
currently do we what are we 

746
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,680
saying that heaven is currently 
is also part of my question for 

747
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,120
this question, but go ahead. 
Well, let me let me give you a 

748
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,480
very quick answer and then try 
my best to explain it like 

749
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,080
through a scripture. 
So are we going to what it is 

750
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:37,160
currently or transported into in
time to heaven here on earth? 

751
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,680
So in other words, like there's 
there's some interesting things 

752
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,080
about this question, like, so we
have to start with the new 

753
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,840
heavens, the new earth that is a
fixed point in time that God 

754
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,240
only knows. 
We do not get to Fast forward to

755
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,760
that moment. 
So that's the quick answer to 

756
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,200
that question. 
If I die today and Jesus does 

757
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,800
not come back, I will be in 
heaven with the Lord, not on the

758
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,040
new heavens and the new earth, 
which is a future fixed point 

759
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,800
that he has determined, right? 
But let me let me read this to 

760
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,720
you from Isaiah 2619. 
You're dead shall live, their 

761
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:18,040
bodies shall rise, You who dwell
in the dust awake and sing for 

762
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,400
joy, for your due is a dew of 
light, and the earth will give 

763
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,200
birth to the dead. 
So there is a fixed point in 

764
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,800
time that God has in mind for 
that new heavens, new earth. 

765
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,720
And we don't get to Fast forward
to that. 

766
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,640
But that also does not stop us 
from being in heaven with 

767
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,680
Christ. 
Consider what he said to the 

768
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,480
thief on the cross. 
Amen. 

769
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,760
Amen. 
Truly, truly. 

770
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,000
I tell you, you will be with me 
in paradise today. 

771
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,240
Today. 
So like, yeah, we, we don't get 

772
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:54,600
to hop the line to new Heaven's 
new earth, but I suspect our 

773
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,080
time in waiting with Christ and 
with the Saints who are there as

774
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,240
well. 
That is a glorious time that you

775
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:02,640
wouldn't want to skip over 
anyway. 

776
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,880
Yeah. 
And gosh, for me, I don't know. 

777
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,200
I have so many other so many 
other thoughts on this because I

778
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,880
do think you're, you're right. 
There are fixed points in time. 

779
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:20,040
But do we are people on the 
other side in heaven right now? 

780
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,840
Are they experiencing time in 
the same way we are right now? 

781
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,920
Like I don't know for sure that 
they are. 

782
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,640
I got something to read to you. 
Oh. 

783
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,920
Boy, OK. 
Let's read from Revelation 69 

784
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,400
and 10. 
When he opened the 5th seal, I 

785
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,720
saw under the altar the souls of
those who had been slain for the

786
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:42,400
Word of God, and for and for 
what they had borne. 

787
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,080
They cried out with a loud 
voice. 

788
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,320
O Sovereign Lord, holy and true,
how long time question, how long

789
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,080
before you will judge and avenge
our blood on those who dwell on 

790
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,560
the earth? 
Verse 11. 

791
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,280
Then they were each given a 
white robe and told to rest a 

792
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,040
little longer another time 
reference until the number of 

793
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,160
their fellow servants and 
brothers should be complete who 

794
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,120
who were to be killed as they 
themselves had been time stamps.

795
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,440
OK. 
Unknown to us like that time 

796
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,360
frame, but time stamps 
themselves they're they clearly 

797
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,800
understand a sense of time. 
There is a sense of time, sure, 

798
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,320
but is it the same? 
Is an hour, an hour and is a day

799
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,880
a day and is a year a year? 
That's more of what I'm like I. 

800
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,720
Have no answer for that I. 
I, I don't think we do. 

801
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:33,600
I don't think we no for. 
I'm just saying logically, 

802
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,440
obviously it would make sense 
that yes, it does line up, but I

803
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,640
think it's possible that it 
doesn't. 

804
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,280
Peter to the Lord a day or 1000 
years is day a day, 1000 years 

805
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,240
kind of thing, right? 
So that's also like I hear, I 

806
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,800
hear what you're saying that 
there will be new, but isn't it 

807
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,960
possible that even those in 
heaven like it's almost, it's 

808
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,720
almost a blink. 
It's it's like a much shorter 

809
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:06,400
time before the new heaven than 
like the thousands of years that

810
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,080
it's that it's taking on earth 
for it to happen? 

811
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,240
I think I think that's possible,
but I'm not saying you have to 

812
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:14,360
think that way, but I just those
are the questions that come to 

813
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,000
mind with this question. 
But when we go to heaven, are we

814
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,160
going to what it will be 
currently or are we transported 

815
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:26,080
in time to heaven here on earth,
the root of the quest? 

816
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,080
So you'd have to kind of decide 
some of those things that how 

817
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:36,480
does how does time work? 
Are we, if we die, are we like 

818
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,400
fast forwarded? 
Kind of does it feel like we're 

819
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,160
fast forwarded to when the new 
heaven is? 

820
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,160
I would say no. 
I would say it's not like we die

821
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,680
and then all of a sudden we're 
just like jumped forward till 

822
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960
God brings about the new heaven.
But I think it's like. 

823
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,160
I think it could work that way. 
It could, but then it makes this

824
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:06,840
Revelation chapter 6 text very 
tricky because of the because of

825
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,720
the time sense that they ask in 
the time sense that he gives 

826
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,440
them wait a little bit longer so
they. 

827
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,320
Clearly have like they're 
anchored there and yeah, waiting

828
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,560
so. 
I, I, I do think like, yeah, 

829
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,080
yeah, I understand. 
So we're to answer this 

830
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:27,080
question, we are going to what 
it currently is pre new heaven. 

831
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,840
I have no reason to believe 
otherwise unless myself and a 

832
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,800
lot of a lot of scholars are 
badly, badly misreading this 

833
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,080
text, which I don't think you 
take this text metaphorically. 

834
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,080
I think you take it pretty 
literally, yeah. 

835
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:42,760
Yeah. 
So. 

836
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,040
That's from Revelation 6. 
Again, you reference verses 6, 

837
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,680
chapter 6, verses 9 through 11 
in Revelation. 

838
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,120
We'll have some notes in 
response to the We'll probably 

839
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,800
post all these questions in the 
comments section so you can 

840
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,320
reread them if you didn't catch 
the full reading of them as 

841
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,560
they're as they're happening 
here. 

842
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,120
I. 
Would love to just follow up 

843
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,760
with one more thing just to 
really cement some of this 

844
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,280
stuff. 
Second Corinthians 58, the 

845
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,440
apostle Paul writes. 
We are confident, I say, and 

846
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,320
willing rather than to be absent
from the body, to be present 

847
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,360
with the Lord goes on to say the
expression absent from the body 

848
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,440
refers to physical death. 
When this life ends, believers 

849
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,920
are immediately ushered into the
glorious presence of the Lord. 

850
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Then we will see Him face to 
face. 

851
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,560
First Corinthians 1312 and at 
that moment we will be quote 

852
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,920
present with the Lord. 
To fully to fully appreciate the

853
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,800
significance of this Second 
Corinthians 5/8, it is important

854
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,240
for us to review the immediate 
context and 2nd Corinthians 5 

855
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,080
one through 7, Paul contrasts 
the temporary nature of our 

856
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,160
earthly bodies with the eternal 
nature of our heavenly bodies. 

857
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,440
And it goes on. 
By the way, that comes from 

858
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,120
gotquestions.org. 
I thought that was a great 

859
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,480
reference to this question. 
So yeah, I just, I think there's

860
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,640
enough biblical evidence and 
backing to answer that the 

861
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040
question the way we did with 
with a really good amount of 

862
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,080
confidence. 
OK. 

863
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,360
Yeah, I think, I think that's 
what it is going going to what 

864
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,320
it will be currently. 
Will we? 

865
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,160
I would say going to what it 
will be currently, but I also 

866
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,480
think we're probably not. 
I think time does move 

867
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,480
differently. 
I, I think, I don't, I don't 

868
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,720
think it will be whatever if, if
we die today and the new heaven 

869
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,040
happens 2000 years from now, I 
don't necessarily think that it 

870
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,840
will be 2000 heaven years, 
right? 

871
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,680
The same way that 2000 Earth 
years would be. 

872
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,480
The only way I can figure this, 
and it's not gonna be adequate, 

873
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,400
but it's the best. 
It's the best I've got. 

874
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,520
So if I think about like my 
best, most fun, most 

875
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,640
exhilarating, just the most 
awesome day of my life, we say 

876
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,800
time flies, right? 
Time flies when you're having 

877
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,760
fun. 
OK? 

878
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,880
I cannot even begin to compare 
this, my best day ever on earth 

879
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,720
with like what it must be like 
to be in the presence of Christ 

880
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,200
and the Saints and the angels 
worshipping, echoing, holy, all 

881
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,680
these things. 
Like, how can I even, like 

882
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,720
compare that to a good day here 
on earth and a good day here on 

883
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,280
earth? 
It feels like I woke up and all 

884
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,680
this awesome stuff happened and 
it was over way too fast. 

885
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,600
So like in heaven, like with the
Lord? 

886
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,160
Yeah. 
Like I I don't even know how you

887
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,840
could like, get a sense of time 
when you're so overwhelmed by 

888
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,640
the glory of God. 
There's no way that we're going 

889
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,280
to be as distracted or time 
fixed as we. 

890
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,520
I was even thinking about what 
was I? 

891
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,440
Oh, I'm listening to Sorry, 
random thoughts with Matt today,

892
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,600
now that we're on the AMA. 
I'm listening through the audio 

893
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,800
books of the Aragon series right
now. 

894
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,360
I don't know if you ever read 
those 20 years ago when they 

895
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:55,680
came out, but set in a medieval 
sorcery, wizardry delves 

896
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,040
dwarves, sort of sort of 
setting. 

897
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,240
But I just think there, there, 
there's a point in the third 

898
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:02,960
book where they're preparing for
a wedding. 

899
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,200
And one of the characters said, 
yeah, we'll let we'll let you 

900
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:11,000
know the hour. 
How like, like how you, you 

901
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,760
don't have wristwatches. 
You're making camps on the side 

902
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,400
of hills. 
Like, what are you, how are you 

903
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,560
saying time? 
But it was also immensely 

904
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,600
freeing to like, no, they just 
like they're just going about 

905
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,800
their day and their little 
community. 

906
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,520
Like, hey, walk over to the 
stream. 

907
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,720
We're having a wedding. 
Like it's just the freedom of 

908
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:35,280
the time flow in that. 
I think it's going to like, 

909
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,400
we're not going to be so 
exacting in time. 

910
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,120
That's going to be wildly 
freeing in heaven. 

911
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,960
Yeah, one of the things I read 
recently and I wish I had it 

912
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,400
pulled up. 
I should have been ready. 

913
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,120
I had no idea we're going here 
though. 

914
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,400
But but there there was a 
somebody, I can't remember if he

915
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,360
was Greek or Roman, but when 
like the sundial became like the

916
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:02,720
standard issue, like they this 
this writer, he found that his 

917
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,120
life got infinitely. 
More terrible it was. 

918
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,440
So much worse because now 
everybody's like, oh, well, when

919
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,080
the shadow hits this spot, you 
have to be doing this. 

920
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,120
You have to be going to bed, you
have to be having this meal and 

921
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,760
all of a sudden the freedom to 
move about as naturally as 

922
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,120
possible, it was instantly taken
away. 

923
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,680
So like, think about the fact 
that like I talked with Dom 

924
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,200
about this, when why do we have 
meals when we have them? 

925
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,560
Why do we have to do it at that 
time? 

926
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Now, you might argue that 
there's just a natural flow to 

927
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,560
our day, but the flow to our day
comes from the fact that we are 

928
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,520
all bound by this clock. 
And so, oh, well, you have to 

929
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,440
eat lunch on your lunch break. 
And this is when your lunch 

930
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,520
break is. 
My body isn't hungry, But like 

931
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,640
you're telling me I have to do 
that. 

932
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,600
And so we fall into these habits
of not letting my body or 

933
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,400
whatever decide when it's time 
based on the natural inkling of 

934
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,600
what's happening. 
No, it's based on a clock, which

935
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,120
is so arbitrary to what my body 
needs and or wants at that 

936
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:08,720
moment. 
Right. 

937
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,200
So anyway, like, yeah, I just, I
just think like, yeah, the the 

938
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,680
time thing, it's it is. 
I agree with whoever that Greek 

939
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,280
or that Roman writer was. 
Like this is maybe the one of 

940
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,200
the worst things we've ever done
to ourselves. 

941
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,600
And by the way, this is a whole 
different thing, but I'm going 

942
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,920
to say it anyway. 
If we didn't have a clock, 

943
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,200
Church could go as long as 
needed to go and nobody would 

944
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,200
question it and it would be 
awesome and I'm going to stop 

945
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:38,720
talking. 
I. 

946
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,760
Don't know if that's true it. 
Would be awesome for some people

947
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,960
it. 
Would be awesome for some people

948
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,680
and some would still just get up
and leave when they've had 

949
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,160
enough or they get hungry or 
they get hungry. 

950
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,840
Yeah, there it is. 
All right, I think this will be 

951
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,560
our last one. 
OK, all right, think. 

952
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:06,440
Dig deep, will we wear clothes 
in heaven 'cause this is how it 

953
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,240
'cause they, Adam and Eve didn't
before the fall? 

954
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,400
OK, so. 
Are we going to wear clothes in 

955
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,920
heaven? 
OK, I let these questions have 

956
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,760
all been good, but they make me 
think in layers too. 

957
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,760
First off, I I don't think we 
will. 

958
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,600
I don't know. 
I guess I don't know what I 

959
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,200
think actually, I'm going to 
immediately walk that back. 

960
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,440
I. 
Like, I like your, I like your 

961
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,760
first response. 
That's pretty funny. 

962
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,080
I'm going to. 
Immediately walk that back. 

963
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:47,200
But if we do wear, what it will 
say is if we do wear clothes in 

964
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,640
heaven, it won't be because of a
sense of shame, correct? 

965
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,240
Right. 
It won't be for the reasons that

966
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:58,120
Adam and Eve clothed themselves 
after the fall. 

967
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,680
And if we don't, it will be 
because we are mentally, 

968
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,040
aesthetically, relationally as 
Adam and Eve were before the 

969
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:08,640
fall. 
They did. 

970
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,600
They didn't feel a sense of 
shame or nakedness or or need to

971
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:19,920
clothe themselves. 
So I guess, oh man, I don't know

972
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,440
that there's any. 
Do you have an answer? 

973
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,280
Do you have a solid answer, an 
opinion? 

974
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,040
I. 
I well, I have some Bible 

975
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,320
verses. 
OK, so let's see here where we 

976
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,600
at, We are back in Revelation 
because you know, we always find

977
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,160
ourselves there. 
So Revelation 4/4 reads this 

978
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,960
way. 
Around the throne there are 

979
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,200
Around the throne there were 24 
Thrones, and seated on the 

980
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,960
Thrones were 24 elders clothed 
in white garments with golden 

981
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:55,280
crowns on their heads. 
OK, so I mean, at least in 

982
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,960
heaven as it sits now before new
heavens, new earth, everything 

983
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,640
is shiny, bright and new, At 
least in that space, it seems 

984
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,600
for sure that there is clothing.
Now, we talk metaphorically 

985
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,640
about being clothed in the 
righteousness of Christ all the 

986
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,120
time. 
But if you actually go to like 

987
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,640
Jesus tells this parable 
basically right about like being

988
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,960
invited into the into the 
wedding party, Like, hey, here's

989
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,280
the party and you know, the 
master, like, you know, and 

990
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:31,320
somebody comes in with the wrong
clothing and he gets kicked out.

991
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,520
So therefore, whatever this 
clothing is, and again I think 

992
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,360
metaphorically, it's the we're 
clothed with the righteousness 

993
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,120
of Christ, but still clothing 
thematically seems to be an 

994
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,000
important theme inside even the 
stories that Jesus tells. 

995
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,800
OK, All right, so. 
That's fun. 

996
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,680
I could I could see that and 
it'd be maybe kind of weird if 

997
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:59,000
they're just like it's like 
Jesus with his little like King 

998
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:05,400
of Kings, right writer sash and 
then and then just like 20 and 

999
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,680
then just like 24 old dudes 
standing around in white 

1000
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,480
clothing and then the rest of us
don't have robes like that would

1001
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,560
be that would. 
Be weird. 

1002
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,360
See, the problem is, you know, 
we create mental images of what 

1003
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,880
you describe. 
And that's why I was like, 

1004
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,920
please don't do it. 
Because as soon as you start 

1005
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,520
saying this sash with Jesus, I 
was like, Oh no, please stop. 

1006
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,520
I didn't ask the question, man. 
I'm not. 

1007
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,200
That's true whoever. 
Asked the question is 

1008
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,160
responsible for wherever my mind
went with it, you know? 

1009
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,840
Yeah. 
I understand. 

1010
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,200
Kristen's losing it you. 
Feel. 

1011
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,320
It's humorous to me how reserved
you feel the need to be when no 

1012
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,720
one can actually see you and 
this and you're also trying to 

1013
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,520
make sure that no one can 
actually hear you. 

1014
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,440
Yes, it's it's funny. 
She's. 

1015
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,000
Like a church bounce, I. 
Am I don't want to be 

1016
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,360
distracting? 
I think we should do. 

1017
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,360
I think we should do one more 
because it's related to we had 

1018
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,840
this like big Oh no, yeah, yes. 
We have one more like heaven 

1019
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,600
themed question and I feel like 
we should just we should just 

1020
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,200
knock them all out and get the 
heaven discussion. 

1021
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,200
I. 
Got you done. 

1022
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,120
Oh, this one is so fast and, and
OK, Christian, go ahead. 

1023
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,200
OK. 
So are people still married in 

1024
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,680
heaven? 
Because when you get married, 

1025
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,160
you usually vow till death do us
part. 

1026
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,160
OK, quickest answer ever. 
And we can talk about the 

1027
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,040
terribleness of Mormonism if you
want to. 

1028
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,360
Wow. 
But let's hear, let's let's do 

1029
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,080
countdown, let's see if we have 
the same answer. 

1030
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,960
All right, answer like 321 
answer. 

1031
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,080
All right, Ready 321. 
No. 

1032
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,960
No, and here's here's why, 
because you know, this is not 

1033
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,800
shrouded in any mystery 
whatsoever. 

1034
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,480
This is a direct quote from 
Jesus himself. 

1035
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,200
For in the resurrection, they 
neither marry nor are given in 

1036
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,520
marriage, but are like angels in
heaven. 

1037
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,960
Not like angels like we get 
wings and whatever. 

1038
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,680
No, like we are like angels in 
terms of we don't have those 

1039
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,200
relationships in those ways 
anymore. 

1040
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,480
Matthew 2230, that is. 
Now from Jesus lips you might 

1041
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:11,200
ask but I love my special I love
them so much, why can't I still 

1042
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,400
be married to them? 
What? 

1043
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,280
If I don't die before Jesus 
comes back, what if I'm still 

1044
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,520
like, death didn't part us? 
What if Jesus comes back and we 

1045
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,720
go straight to heaven? 
Oh, I haven't heard that one 

1046
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,200
yet. 
That's a funny twist. 

1047
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,320
I think it still applies. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1048
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,760
But. 
The like till death do us part 

1049
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,040
also is not rooted anywhere in 
scripture right? 

1050
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,000
Like we don't, we don't have a, 
we don't have wedding vows or 

1051
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,000
like service orders in the 
Bible, right? 

1052
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,200
Like that's all those words are 
man made anyway. 

1053
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:40,960
Right. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1054
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,240
So. 
I'm just that's not really like 

1055
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,360
a construct for it just to make 
the no undo the question that I 

1056
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,520
just asked. 
Thanks for rewinding that. 

1057
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,920
That's pretty good. 
No, I but think about it this 

1058
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,120
way and this, this is a maybe a 
better thing to add, not better.

1059
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,400
Oh my gosh, don't say that. 
It's not better than what Jesus 

1060
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,720
said This can be. 
Objective. 

1061
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,440
Subjective. 
OK, but think about it this way.

1062
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:11,000
If in this perfect state without
sin, every relationship I have 

1063
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,920
with everybody who I meet is not
marred or affected or changed or

1064
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,360
hurt by sin in any way, shape or
form. 

1065
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,280
It means that every single 
relationship I have with that 

1066
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,360
every person I encounter is 
perfect. 

1067
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,200
And there is perfect love and 
there's perfect respect and 

1068
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,960
there's perfect honor going both
directions. 

1069
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,400
Therefore I don't play favorites
in that world because that's 

1070
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,880
what I'm saying with my spouse, 
You are my favorite neighbor, 

1071
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,680
you know, and on our best days, 
that's absolutely true about our

1072
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,440
spouse. 
You are my favorite neighbor. 

1073
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,760
And so like all neighbors are 
favorite neighbors. 

1074
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,120
And when there's no sin in 
anybody's life. 

1075
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,040
And it would also get really 
weird with people who've been 

1076
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,280
married multiple times, like 
even obviously like afflicted by

1077
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,960
divorce and bad marriages or or 
less than God honoring 

1078
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,800
marriages. 
But also there's plenty of 

1079
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,840
people who just their spouse has
has they had a God honoring 

1080
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,200
marriage. 
Their spouse has passed on and 

1081
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,400
they've and they've remarried 
and and had another had multiple

1082
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,720
God honoring marriages. 
That would get real weird real 

1083
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,280
fast. 
If we're are we purporting like 

1084
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,320
Poly polygamy? 
That's when the riot. 

1085
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,320
Yeah, purporting polygamy in 
heaven. 

1086
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,560
No, that's I don't think that's 
how it's going to work. 

1087
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,480
Not going to work it that way at
all. 

1088
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,320
And in fact, you know, Jesus, 
that's exactly what they try to 

1089
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,080
catch Jesus in. 
It's this really weird scenario 

1090
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,160
of like, hey, so this woman 
married a brother and he died 

1091
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,000
and they didn't have any kids 
and then the next one married 

1092
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,120
her and he died and they didn't 
have any kids and so on and so 

1093
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,600
forth. 7 times over she got 
married to seven brothers and 

1094
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,800
then they're like, yeah, so 
who's wife is she? 

1095
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,800
And Jesus, like you fools, y'all
are just being ridiculous. 

1096
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,280
And so that's where you know 
this answer comes right out of 

1097
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,080
there, too. 
All right, we did it. 

1098
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,800
This is we got a little a few 
bonus minutes there. 

1099
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,080
We went beyond our usual hour, 
but yeah, I want to get through 

1100
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,680
that. 
The pack of heaven questions. 

1101
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,640
We've got a lot more. 
Thank you for all your 

1102
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,400
submissions. 
If you have follow up questions 

1103
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,280
to our answers to the questions 
that you heard on this, please 

1104
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,520
interact with us in that way. 
We'll attach some of the 

1105
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,680
references, both of the research
references and the scripture 

1106
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,120
references we'll attach in the 
show notes below the episode so 

1107
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,720
you can see the questions and 
just kind of the notes we had 

1108
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,800
for the answers there. 
Yeah, it's been, it's been 

1109
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,200
great. 
Thanks for tuning in and and 

1110
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,960
listening along, hopefully 
laughing along or learning along

1111
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,840
with us as well so. 
Please, next time you see me or 

1112
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,520
Matt, please just tell us which 
Princess you are. 

1113
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That would be awesome either. 
Princess or pizza? 

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Tell us one of the two. 
No, but yeah, no build up 

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needed. 
Just yeah. 

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Just shout it out. 
Thanks for hanging with us, 

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Kristen. 
Yeah, been great. 

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So we'll be here next week too. 
It'll be fun. 

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Till then, have a blessed week 
Church.