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Happy Monday. 
We're back in on the ERC 

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Leftovers podcast. 
I'm Pastor Matt. 

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Pastor Chris is here despite, 
despite the airline's great 

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attempt to keep you in Florida. 
And Dom's here with us as well. 

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He brought the word the next 
part of our series on Romans 8 

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this past week versus 2930 and 
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And yeah, he's here for us to 
grill him on. 

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Some more thoughts, feedback 
from the sermon this Sunday and 

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a couple more, couple more fun 
things along the way to Chris. 

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Brought some snacks, some 
treats. 

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We've got another segment this 
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We're going to check in on what 
Christendom throughout the 

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country is doing a little bit 
and yeah, hopefully have some 

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fun along the way. 
So thanks for tuning in to the 

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ERC leftovers here. 
What's going on, fellas? 

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Oh my gosh, yeah. 
I won't get into all the gory 

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details but flying over spring 
break with everything that's 

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going on in the world and trying
to go to one of the most popular

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destinations in America, AKA 
trying to fly in and in and out 

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of Orlando in different beach 
like areas, it's madness and I 

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will never do it again. 
Over spring break. 

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Never. 
So I don't care what conference 

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you put on what date, if it's 
over spring break and I have to 

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fly to Florida, I'm just not 
going. 

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Chris is out. 
I'm out. 

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I'm pissing out forever of all 
of that because it's just, it's 

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not going to happen. 
It was madness. 

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I spent over 20 hours in 
airports just waiting to be 

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bumped and rebooked and bumped 
and rebooked over and over 

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again. 
So do you think it was because I

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mean TSA is technically shut 
down right now, right? 

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TSA was fine. 
I actually got through all the 

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security stuff easy. 
It was just like there's too 

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many planes trying to go too 
many places and there's not 

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enough runway and there's not 
enough access and there's not 

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enough everything. 
And so bump move, bump, move for

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20 plus hours and forget it. 
I'm super done. 

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Wow. 
Yep. 

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Well, we we drove 1100 miles 
each way down to the coast, so I

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that was a different experience.
Well, you know what though? 

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You know what though? 
Your drives both there and back 

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faster. 
Oh yeah, flying. 

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They were, yes. 
So I mean, you know, put on a 

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good podcast, there's some music
and get some snacks on the way. 

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By the way, the snacks you can 
get on the road infinitely 

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better than the snacks they give
you on an airplane. 

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And like I just I, I just think 
it, it would be a better 

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experience and it would be far 
less expensive. 

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So it was all the things, just 
there was no redeeming part of 

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any of those. 
Well, not of the travel 

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portions, OK, You know, the the 
conference itself was it was 

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great. 
It was fine anyway, I don't go 

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too far into that. 
I don't want to like. 

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Tom, you were, you were in town 
for spring break, right? 

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You just chilled. 
The snow stayed. 

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Here I didn't have spring break.
Oh, that's right, you still like

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class. 
I wonder, were I given an 

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exchange? 
Somebody's like, hey, do all 

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this seminary work this week or 
go to those airports and live 

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that experience. 
I actually think I would have 

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taken the homework. 
You even had a better time with 

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the yeah. 
I think I would have. 

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I I wouldn't want to go through 
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I'm I was happy staying here 
there you. 

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Go. 
There you go, that's that's the 

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win for. 
Dawn Well yeah I mean I heard 

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y'all got snow but I came back 
and there was still no snow like

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when I left so. 
Oh, it's snowed. 

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And then four days later it was 
80°, you know what I mean? 

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So I would be curious amongst 
all the people who listen to 

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this podcast, how many people 
looked at the weather like 2 

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days after we got that Blizzard 
and went, I'm not shoveling, 

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it's going to be gone in two 
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like 60 in a hurry. 
Yeah, and I, I have been gone 

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sometimes and like tried to get 
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I did not even look into it this
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I was just like, this is gonna 
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Yeah. 
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All right. 
A couple things. 

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This week we're gonna try a new 
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audience participation from you 
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though I want to call it we're 
we're going to call it salty and

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lit. 
And that sounds a little crazier

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than it is, but what in in Our 
Calling to be salt and light on,

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on the earth, to add difference 
to, to add flavor, to be set 

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apart in, in that way, light in 
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adding, adding variety and spice
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supposed to conform to do not 
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world. 
We're going to call it segment 

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salty and lit and just check in.
It's basically like. 

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What? 
What are those? 

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What are? 
Christians up to in in the world

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in or, or in in America and 
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policy going around. 
Maybe y'all have seen it on on 

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social media, but it's it's 
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this thing. 
They obviously got some sort of 

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complaint about disruptive kids 
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the service or, or something 
like that and needed to hear 

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what their policy unloud kids in
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So they basically give a 
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response. 
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child is found making noise in 
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should bring the child to 
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And, and point and .2 is if the 
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to go to the bathroom in the 
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family should make sure their 
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just like all, all four, all 
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like different ways that a kid 
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And, and the bottom though, it 
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policy. 
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There was one church, I don't 
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source is of this. 
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letter heads and different 
church names, just basically 

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copying it and reposting the 
thing and, and doing it as their

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own. 
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funny to check in. 
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four of these points is we 
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is the sound of a healthy 
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This is the church is the 
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the Saints that have gone 
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The church is the church is the 
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And that's the that's the church
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It is the they are the church 
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generation that we're raising 
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So that was their conclusion 
basically is like, Nope, bring 

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your kids where if they if they 
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The point should be bringing the
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Do that with your family and 
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So what do we think? 
You know what, I let me as 

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somebody who's raised kids, 
although I didn't necessarily, I

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did raise them in the church 
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But like, The thing is like, OK,
so I'll give you a great example

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yesterday, I think, oh, we're, 
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And I got two young men behind 
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grade, somewhere in that 
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And I know them very well. 
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pray, it was very easy for me. 
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their parents weren't with them.
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around and I just kind of tapped
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Hey, we're praying. 
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And then when the band got going
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talking again and that's fine. 
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They're doing, they're trading 
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but it was fine. 
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thing I would say is like, yeah,
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like, hey guys, like we got, we 
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People are trying to listen, but
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You just put forth your best 
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you, it's fine. 
It's fine. 

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Yeah, there does. 
When I get it, especially for, I

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mean, maybe maybe students who 
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their own to deal with or or 
even young adults, adults who 

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don't haven't had children or 
don't currently have little 

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kids. 
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large segment of the 
congregation, people who aren't 

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actively parenting little 
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That's the majority of people in
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So like, I get it. 
I get how that's outside the 

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normal realm of, of things that 
you just encounter or, or deal 

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with on on the daily basis. 
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people are bringing a lot of 
different stuff in in with them 

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at church, right? 
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the distracting the, the loud 
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thing that's like the deal 
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That's a little harsh for, for 
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So I, I think it's funny. 
It's Mount Mount Washington 

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church is, is the one that I'm 
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I don't know if they're the 
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Like I said, it's been, it's 
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But yeah, option one for dealing
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should bring the kid. 
Option 2, the family should make

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sure they bring the kid to 
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Option 3, the family is to see 
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church. 
And option 4, the kid is 

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absolutely welcome and expected.
Those are that's that's how 

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they're going to deal with loud 
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Well, think about this moment, 
OK, And you guys can speak into 

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it more, but think about this 
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So the disciples are annoyed 
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around just like church, right? 
There's little kids moving and 

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running around and and they're 
like, oh, Jesus is trying to 

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give this big important talk. 
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shooing the kids away and just 
like, hey fool, bring those kids

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back here. 
So like, what more do you need? 

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What what more evidence do you 
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Then Jesus is like, bring those 
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that you're trying to push away.
Bring them. 

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Bring them to me. 
I want them. 

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And I think that's, I think 
that's maybe the point that it 

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breaks for me. 
Like I don't want to use the 

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line of quote UN quote when when
they should know better because 

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you can apply that to a lot of 
us even from even from your 

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message yesterday, like a lot of
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You should have known better 
than just like accelerating like

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a madman in reverse. 
So like, so like at some point, 

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like should have known better 
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especially in the in the in the 
context of kids who literally 

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don't know better. 
Like they just their brains 

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aren't even developed enough to 
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Right. 
Yeah, there's, there's got to be

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grace there. 
The even the the older students 

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that you were talking about, 
like, yeah, they responded to, 

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Hey, this is we're actually 
we're here for I think we're, 

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we're here to pray, we're here 
to worship. 

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We're here to, we're here to be 
taught. 

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Like that's, that's what we're 
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We want to have a conversation. 
We can we do that elsewhere 

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during the week. 
So yeah, I think I think there's

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there's both and but especially 
as as the little ones in the in 

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the let the little children come
to me spirit of Jesus, like, 

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yeah, that's we just want to be,
we want to be a place where that

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is kids are welcomed and 
expected and encouraged. 

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So yeah, I don't know. 
I just thought that was a funny,

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funny thing that's going around 
in American Christendom right 

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now. 
The. 

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When from the perspective of 
someone like doesn't have kids 

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and even being up on stage with 
kids present, they were like 

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almost the cornerstone of like 
keeping me grounded in my own 

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message. 
Like oddly enough, like there 

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were little outbursts. 
You know, we had several younger

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children who would cry or, you 
know, 3rd to 5th graders who are

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kind of all over the place. 
But like, they kept me mentally 

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in it like these are, This is 
why I'm doing it. 

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Like these are the people that 
we're we're teaching and that 

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we're reaching with these 
messages, whether they're going 

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to remember this because they're
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Like they do have a home here. 
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more special moments of like 
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There's some songs. 
There have been songs on Sunday 

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mornings where even with my in 
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things going on, the different 
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ears, I can still hear the kids 
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can hear anything else in the 
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And like those moments are so 
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But you don't get those moments 
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shooing the kids away, if you're
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like bring them and give them an
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They are still children. 
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the directive of, OK, hey, right
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let's focus right here for 30 
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long this prayer is going to go.
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moments like in worship where, 
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they're worshiping the same 
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worshiping. 
And you don't get that if you 

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nurturing. 
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Let me say one more thing which 
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it anyway because it's Monday 
and I'm salty on Mondays often 

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times. 
Here's the thing. 

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If a child of whatever age 
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minute talk without kind of 
being squirrely, guess what 

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adults also don't do? 
They don't make it through a 25 

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minute talk without losing 
attention. 

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And I, and I guarantee that's 
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Now, the only difference is at 
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the thing, both are not paying 
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period of time. 
Well, with adults, it's just 

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quietly not paying attention. 
They just have a better poker 

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face about it. 
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it's still the exact same thing.
So like, let's just be really 

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honest about it and say that 
nobody pays attention for 25 

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minutes straight. 
Probably not, right? 

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And so like, just let's just 
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OK, That's OK. 
But parents, you do your best 

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and that's what you can do. 
That's what you can do, that's 

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all. 
Yeah, so that's this week's 

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reminder to be salt and light in
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Help us all say salty and lit. 
All right, And this will maybe 

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be our kicker to get video 
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depending on how this segment 
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tough listener only content. 
But we hinted at this back on 

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the AMA a few weeks ago, and you
brought, look at this, you 

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brought Doctor Pepper peeps. 
I did. 

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To the studio today. 
I got to, I got to, I got to 

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give a big shout out to Jake and
Haley because they listen to the

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podcast and they're like, we 
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And those are the ones that 
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or likes. 
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bring in an extra package. 
See, and and we're going to try 

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them live. 
And so let me open these things 

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up. 
So Matt, remind me, did you say 

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you don't like peeps at all or 
you do? 

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I don't like the current 
iteration of peeps. 

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I feel like they've changed and 
I feel like they're terrible. 

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Look at these guys. 
They're like this, like kind of 

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nice reddish burnt color. 
Awesome. 

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OK, love this so much. 
Here you go Dom, you get the 

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first one. 
So yeah, we're going to do a, a,

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a Peeps for your, for your 
Easter candy needs coming up in,

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in two weeks, we'll review the, 
the Peeps Dr. Pepper here as 

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only 3 middle-aged men can. 
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OK, so hands super sugary and 
sticky, just trying to RIP these

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things apart. 
Kristen would always, she would 

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say go for the eyeballs first 
because she's going to not eat 

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these in one bite. 
She's going to eat the head and 

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then. 
Sure, she does the head first. 

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I Yeah, OK. 
I'll follow. 

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I'll follow the. 
All right, OK, this is really 

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good listening, listening 
content, listening to us chew 

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these Doctor Pepper Peeps. 
Oh, man. 

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OK, well, off them, off the 
jump. 

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The flavor, the flavor is great.
Right there's they nailed the 

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Doctor Pepper flavor in this 
little sugar dust stuff. 

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Maybe I was just a naive, I 
don't know, rainbow eyed kid 

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looking, looking at Peeps is the
greatest thing in the world. 

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I still feel like the 
marshmallow is very stale, like 

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it's not a high quality 
marshmallow in here. 

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I don't know man, the 
marshmallow is way softer on 

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these then I OK, so I did try a 
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Florida. 
Wow. 

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Because you know, the Universal 
Studios, Harry Potter, the whole

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thing. 
So I tried one of those and that

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marshmallow was like painfully 
stale. 

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This is still really soft and 
you're 100% correct. 

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It tastes just like Doctor. 
Pepper. 

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They nailed the the flavour dust
I think. 

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See my problem is I'm not a 
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I will say like these are 
edible, they're tolerable. 

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Like I wouldn't necessarily shy 
away from them, but I don't 

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know. 
Still not. 

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I'm not. 
My favorite? 

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I'm not sold. 
Well, after the show I am going 

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to deliver one to Kristen and 
see what she thinks. 

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All right, OK, that'll. 
Unless you want me to drag her 

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in here, right? 
Now that would be funny. 

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We could. 
We could. 

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Let's do a. 
Last I'm going to go get her. 

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I'll be back just. 
For a minute OK before before we

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get to Kristen here and I again 
once again apologize for how 

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good this audio only content is,
but maybe yeah, maybe that'll be

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our kick in the pants to get 
some video going here so you can

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watch the watch the witness of 
this. 

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But once again down man just I, 
I introduced you differently at 

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the second service and it was it
was it was great I I I I 

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introduced you as not terrible 
at the second service and I I 

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did I you you handled it so 
well. 

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I I I like immediately foot and 
mouth regretted like that. 

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I just let the ticker tape of my
consciousness just, like, spill 

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out. 
And. 

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But you rolled into it so well, 
you just, yeah, you didn't faze 

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you at all. 
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I honestly, I think that the 
second intro, like immediately 

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settled me in more like, because
it was all right. 

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Like everything's off the table 
now. 

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Like it's all out there. 
Oh man, Kristen's here just 

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popping in quick. 
You'll never know what you get 

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on a Monday surprise. 
And I'm sure this is how you 

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wanted to start your day too, 
with a nice Doctor Pepper peep. 

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So First off, are you? 
You're not really a soda person 

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in general at all. 
So you're not a Doctor Pepper? 

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I mean, it's, it's, it's 
something I'm getting used to. 

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I try the Doctor Pepper. 
OK. 

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I dabble in the Doctor. 
All right, if you know how to 

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bring some temptation to 
Kristen's life, it's offer a 

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doctor Pepper and see if she 
cracks so so, but I feel like 

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you are the like resident peep 
championer of of the office, so 

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I do. 
I like the peeps we all hated on

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them last time we did. 
I even decorated for Easter and 

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I have I realized I have a peep 
collar for the dog like yes and 

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I got a night light. 
A peep Night light. 

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It's a Is it a Bunny? 
It's a Bunny. 

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He's he's so cute and he glows 
all yellow. 

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I want them in all the colors. 
All right. 

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Oh my God. 
OK, I'm done with questions. 

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I have more questions. 
I'm just going to this is. 

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This is why you don't bring me 
in on Monday. 

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All right, so let's let's see in
your as the resident peep expert

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here these. 
Are not crunchy, you hate you 

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hate it on a bottom. 
Line still felt like they were 

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still a little stale, but 
really. 

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OK, so that's just like, oh man.
Definitely, definitely got that 

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soda flavor. 
Yeah. 

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No. 
So you're OK with the 

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marshmallow quality? 
That was my one nut. 

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I think the flavor is spot on. 
I still feel like the 

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marshmallow is stale. 
No, this is what they taste 

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like. 
OK, so I was just wrong. 

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I just, I like peeps. 
When I was a kid I thought that 

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was marshmallows. 
Just tastes like and there's 

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just better marshmallows. 
Than no the Doctor pepper is 

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like a little off putting 
because it does taste like 

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doctor pepper. 
It's like the Jelly Bean thing. 

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I still think somebody are these
going to be available? 

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Not no, they're not available. 
I need to stash some now for 

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like summer bonfire. 
I do still want to try to like 

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marshmallow roast one of these. 
I think that would be perfection

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because then you can't really 
tell. 

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You can't tell if this 
marshmallow is stale because 

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it's melty. 
It's not stale. 

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Matt's a hater. 
I feel like there's still some 

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crunch to that marshmallow. 
Oh my goodness, the outside is 

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supposed to be kind of crispy. 
That's good. 

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The sugar part. 
Yeah, yeah, the inside was all 

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pillowy. 
So, so soft. 

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OK, now I'm going to have to go 
eat more. 

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But not Doctor Pepper. 
OK, no, OK, we got Kristen 

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hooked on Peeps now. 
Peeps and Peeps and Doctor 

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Pepper. 
It's my first separately. 

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It's my first one of the season.
I had willpower up until now. 

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Thanks a lot, guys. 
Oh, my goodness. 

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All right. 
Wide open. 

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Thanks, Kristen. 
Oh man. 

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As always, starting out hot and 
fast on a Monday morning. 

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You are welcome, church. 
All right, let's dive into our 

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passage sermon text for this 
weekend. 

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We only have two more weeks 
after this. 

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In Romans 8, we really kind of 
milked, I feel, I feel like 

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we've been in almost the same 
cluster of verses for like 3 or 

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4 weeks. 
Yeah, we we've been inching 

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forward by like 2 or 3 verses. 
But there's lots of there's lots

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of ties like from the late teens
in, in, in chapter 8, those 

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verses to like where we are. 
And now I feel like this passage

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right here is almost the hinge 
to the to the rest of the 

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chapter like that. 
This is the connecting few 

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verses for Paul. 
Again, this chapter is really 

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just like one big run on 
sentence but yeah, he's these 

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these verses are hinging what he
said to the the therefore's that

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that follow or the reasons that 
follow in the rest of the 

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chapter here. 
So Romans 8 we were in verses 

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2930 and 31 just three verses 
for those God foreknew. 

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He also predestined to be 
conformed to the image of his 

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son that he might be the first 
born among many brothers and 

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sisters and those who 
predestined he also called those

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he called he also justified 
those who justified he also 

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glorified. 
What then shall we say in 

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response to these things? 
If God is for us, who can be 

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against us? 
Romans 829 through 31. 

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I thought you did a really good 
job, Dom, of framing you did, 

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you did the kind of behind the 
curtain thing with the three 

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points. 
You gave us the road map of 

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where you're going. 
I thought you ended really 

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strong with the with the 
application part. 

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Like how how then do we do this 
sort sort of thing? 

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What was there anything that you
feel like you just didn't 

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elaborate as much on as as you 
would have liked to just maybe 

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because of time, time 
constraints or just this didn't 

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fit the thrust of where I ended 
up? 

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What? 
What do you think? 

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Yeah, I mean, it was, it was a 
difficult time putting this 

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together. 
Just I, I knew I wanted to bring

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on the, the context of spiritual
warfare because it's a very real

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thing and it kind of gets 
brushed over a lot. 

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I feel like we reference it from
time to time, but do we really 

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ever take a deep dive into how 
do we, how do we fight? 

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Like how do we fight knowing 
that God is for us? 

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And what does that even truly 
mean in this, this chain that I 

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talked about this this golden 
chain that it was referenced as 

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you know, for new and 
predestined, I didn't really get

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to get into what this means. 
Like this isn't just God knowing

450
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,680
about you ahead of time. 
It's God setting his love on you

451
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:49,200
ahead of time. 
And you know, when Paul says for

452
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,840
new, I don't think he, he means 
God had information about us 

453
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,680
ahead of time in Scripture. 
To know someone is, is more 

454
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,880
relational and personal, not 
just a knowing of. 

455
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,040
So in this context, it's really 
saying God set his love on you 

456
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,360
beforehand. 
He set his love on his people 

457
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,200
beforehand, which I think to me 
in my study of this text, like 

458
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,960
brought that to light a little 
bit more of like, OK, it's not 

459
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,720
just the fact that he knew me. 
He knew that he created me. 

460
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,000
He knew that I was one of 
millions and billions of his 

461
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,280
children. 
It's more personal. 

462
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,240
It's more relational. 
He has that loving connection. 

463
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,360
And before I even made the 
decision to love him back, he 

464
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,800
still loved me. 
Yeah, yeah. 

465
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,720
And that touches on, there's a 
big word in this passage, 

466
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,280
obviously. 
And I mean, a lot of times you 

467
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,240
jump into this passage and teach
on predestination and what that 

468
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,840
is and what that isn't. 
And you didn't do much of that 

469
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:05,440
yesterday, really, at least not 
you did, but not in a topical 

470
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,080
sermon on predestination sort of
way. 

471
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,000
You taught on predestination and
how it is in, in the Lutheranism

472
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,000
sphere that we that we live in. 
There's that there's a key 

473
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:23,800
phrase in the the last part of 
that verse that he predestined 

474
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,280
and and a lot of the times 
people just take that 

475
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,880
predestined and chop that off 
right there. 

476
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,360
But there's a remainder of verse
29. 

477
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,840
He predestined to be conformed 
to the image of his son like 

478
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,120
it's it's all that idea. 
That's what God predestined, 

479
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,000
right believers to be 
sanctified, to be holy as I am 

480
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,400
holy in light of what Jesus has 
done right. 

481
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Not not that not that we can 
earn it, but that we are now 

482
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,960
clothed in his righteousness. 
That's what he predestined, that

483
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,400
we would be conformed to the 
image of his son. 

484
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,080
So I thought I thought you did 
that really well yesterday 

485
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,400
without again calling that out 
as like this is what 

486
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,880
predestination means. 
I don't think it's necessary in 

487
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,720
this particular text to spend 25
minutes talking about 

488
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,000
predestination, because you know
what Paul doesn't do? 

489
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800
If you're being honest to the 
text and you're exegeting it 

490
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,960
properly, this is not where that
happens. 

491
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,760
No, no, if you want to, if you 
want to have a sermon on 

492
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,360
predestination, there are other 
more clear spots where the Bible

493
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,560
would lead you to talk about 
that specifically. 

494
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,040
This is not that spot. 
Right, this is not about 

495
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,240
predestination. 
It's not about predestination as

496
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,600
a topic. 
Uses that word here. 

497
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,400
Yep, and that's a fine word to 
use, especially in that chain of

498
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,960
four new predestined and 
conformed. 

499
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,480
And that's a off if anything 
else. 

500
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,080
And I think we talked about this
before you preached because it 

501
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,560
was like, hey man, there's a 
couple different paths we could 

502
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,840
take here. 
We could talk about spiritual 

503
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,800
warfare, we could talk about 
this chain and how that actually

504
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,600
like works itself out in the 
Christian believer and all that 

505
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,240
kind of stuff. 
But I think like the chain and 

506
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,320
then what happens because of 
that chain that God is doing all

507
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,320
the activating in? 
That's that's the topic really. 

508
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,760
When the the key thing is like 
the passage isn't trying to make

509
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,800
you question your salvation. 
It's it's trying to anchor it. 

510
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,920
So the, the idea and I, I said 
it on Sunday as well as you 

511
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,280
know, you're not the one holding
your relationship with God 

512
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,800
together. 
He is we, we are active 

513
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,520
participants in that 
relationship. 

514
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,440
But like that chain is being 
held together by God himself at 

515
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,120
all times. 
So, so it's not on us like all 

516
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:39,320
that pressure that we feel we, 
we have to, we have to live the 

517
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,520
right way. 
We have to make the right 

518
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,600
decisions. 
We have to pray enough to have 

519
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,280
that relationship with God. 
He's holding it together. 

520
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,880
We get to participate in that 
and and pursue a loving 

521
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,560
relationship with him, but he's 
ultimately the one holding it 

522
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,760
together, not us. 
You know what's funny? 

523
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,960
So he, an illustration just came
into my brain because I watch 

524
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,600
far too many superhero movies. 
But in every, it's inevitable. 

525
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,240
In every Spider Man iteration, 
there's going to be a moment 

526
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,440
where he webs one side to one 
thing, one side to the other, 

527
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,840
and he's being stretched and 
he's being pulled trying to stop

528
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,800
something from happening. 
Like most famously, I think is 

529
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
the first set of Spider Man 
movies where he's trying to stop

530
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,920
the train and he's webbed on 
either side and he's like, you 

531
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,640
know, holding it together and 
he's holding it together. 

532
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,760
And we would imagine maybe in 
our faith sometimes that that's 

533
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,880
us as that character, like 
squeezing and trying so hard to 

534
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,120
hold everything together, our 
faith, whatever. 

535
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,000
And it's like, no, that's Jesus 
in the middle holding all of 

536
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,960
these pieces together. 
So you're absolutely right. 

537
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,840
And that's a great observation. 
And where I preach in it and had

538
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,520
I thought about that? 
That's the. 

539
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,440
Illustration. 
I thought it would. 

540
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,720
Have used SO. 
There you go, Jesus is spider 

541
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,240
man. 
No, in that particular. 

542
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,400
Moment. 
That's not what you said. 

543
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Spider Man is acting as the 
savior character. 

544
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,880
So. 
See, there you go. 

545
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,720
That's that's the nerd in me. 
Theology. 

546
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Man strikes again. 
Theology. 

547
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,640
Man strikes again with spider 
man webs. 

548
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,600
Let's go. 
Morris from the Enduring Word 

549
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,960
commentary puts this reflection 
on that passage quote Paul is 

550
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,280
saying that God is the author of
salvation, that from beginning 

551
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880
to end we are not to think that 
God can take action only when we

552
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,440
graciously give him permission. 
It's not all the and you did a 

553
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,720
really good job. 
All these things are linked 

554
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,400
together. 
You talked about that chain. 

555
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,120
This isn't a it's not a 
checklist of things, right? 

556
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,360
That you were for new. 
So now, OK, so now you can be 

557
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,640
predestined because you're 
predestined, you're caught. 

558
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Those things work together, but 
you guys are saying it's not a 

559
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,280
OK, I achieved this on to the 
next thing. 

560
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,480
These are all working in harmony
in tandem together, and it's God

561
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,040
who laid out this, this process 
of things, right? 

562
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,920
And why did he do that? 
And he tells us in the same 

563
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,640
verse in order that that is the 
great, you know, in order that 

564
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,040
he being Jesus, might be the 
first born among many brothers. 

565
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,600
OK, so because God has done 
this, Jesus and his sacrifice, 

566
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,880
it creates him as the Genesis, 
the beginning of all of these. 

567
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,680
There are all these people being
brought into God's family as 

568
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,600
brothers and sisters in Christ 
and we are all justified because

569
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,680
Jesus did it. 
And so there you go, you. 

570
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,960
We don't even have to wait a 
single a single verse. 

571
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,440
He tells us right in that verse,
right in 29. 

572
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:35,120
This is why. 
That brings us to 31 and kind of

573
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,560
this. 
This is an uncomfortable verse 

574
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080
in some ways. 
I think if God is for us, who 

575
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,440
can be against us? 
That sounds like a really 

576
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,440
freeing promise. 
But I've also known people and 

577
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,680
know people who can't really 
reconcile this idea. 

578
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,960
If, if I've wronged God, how can
he be for me? 

579
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Wouldn't, wouldn't his default 
position to now be offended and 

580
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,640
defensive and even a little like
retributionary? 

581
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,080
Because because that's how I 
would be if someone, if someone 

582
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120
wronged me, I would, I wouldn't 
like that person. 

583
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,840
I would not, I would not be on 
their side, right? 

584
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,040
Like that's in our sinful 
humanity. 

585
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,440
That's how we respond. 
But that's not how grace works, 

586
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,640
right? 
Which is, which is where that 

587
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,400
breaks down. 
Like just because we wouldn't 

588
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,800
respond that way doesn't mean 
God doesn't respond that way, 

589
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,920
right. 
And it's also to, to take that a

590
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,360
step further. 
I mean, if we're being conformed

591
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,040
to the image of a son, there's, 
there's challenge there then for

592
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:44,400
us to be for those brothers and 
sisters that even even have 

593
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,840
wronged us, right. 
Like that. 

594
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,720
That's also the response of 
grace in our lives for others, 

595
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,400
right. 
Wow, sorry. 

596
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,680
I, I, I, I read a book over 
spring break and I'm attaching 

597
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,160
like all the, all the grace 
things to a lot, which makes 

598
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,560
sense. 
It's there's grace everywhere in

599
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,760
the Bible. 
But like that's what I heard 

600
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,680
yesterday too. 
And our, our life group, we had 

601
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,280
a lot of a lot of discussion on 
this verse in particular too, 

602
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,480
and kind of the baggage that 
comes with us and even how some 

603
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,840
people like, aren't we 
skeptical? 

604
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Like if God is for us, who can 
be again? 

605
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,920
But like, what's the catch? 
Like there's, there's a lot of 

606
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,400
people that are this sounds, 
this sounds too good to be true,

607
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,600
right? 
That there's nothing for me to 

608
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,520
do or earn or keep. 
Yeah, that's that's grace. 

609
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,280
Like that's what it is. 
Yeah, right. 

610
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,360
I think it's also a problem of 
we try too often to give God 

611
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,400
human features in human aspects.
Like, yeah, if I'm wronged, like

612
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,080
yeah, I'm, I'm not going to be 
happy or understanding of that 

613
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,120
person. 
But again, God is, is not human.

614
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,680
God doesn't have those same 
attachments to those emotions. 

615
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Like he's not holding this stuff
over us. 

616
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600
Like, oh, how you remember that 
time you did this, You remember 

617
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,040
that time you said this, You 
remember that time you walked 

618
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,720
away from me? 
Like, no, he doesn't hold those 

619
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,400
things above us because he is 
above us. 

620
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Like he's, he's greater than our
understanding. 

621
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,800
And I think it's OK at times to,
to try and understand it as a 

622
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,640
human and, and, and make it 
understandable at a human level.

623
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,440
Devil. 
But also, this is the God of the

624
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,120
universe. 
Like he doesn't play by the same

625
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,040
rules as us. 
He doesn't have the same 

626
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,760
attachments to emotions that we 
do. 

627
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800
He, he is so loving and so 
gracious that no matter what we 

628
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,320
do, when we turn, when we repent
and we go back to him and ask 

629
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,000
for forgiveness, it's not just 
that we're forgiven. 

630
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Those things are forgotten. 
It has moved on. 

631
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,200
We have gone past that. 
He does not hold that to you 

632
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,320
anymore. 
He doesn't hold that over your 

633
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
head anymore. 
He moved on, so we get to move 

634
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840
on. 
Yeah, good gravy, man. 

635
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,800
Wow. 
Preach it. 

636
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,400
You know what? 
You know what's interesting? 

637
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,840
I'm and I agree with everything 
you said, but here's how we know

638
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,000
that we are so deeply loved 
because you are 100% correct 

639
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:18,120
that God is not bound by the by 
those kind of emotional things 

640
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,080
that we are. 
But then again, Jesus Christ, 

641
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:29,719
100% God, 100% man experiences 
all those things as a human, but

642
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,400
still 100% God. 
And So what happens is, and I've

643
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,199
heard it said this way, God was 
strong enough to take his own 

644
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,040
medicine. 
So in other words, we look at 

645
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,960
Jesus Christ and we look at the 
hardship that he endured 

646
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880
emotionally, physically, and 
everything in between. 

647
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,560
And we say, wow, OK, so it's not
just God who's greater and above

648
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,520
us and maybe above those kind of
fleeting emotions that we have. 

649
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,880
No, he was willing enough to 
take his own medicine, that he 

650
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,440
took on all of those things in 
himself, in his physical human 

651
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,600
body, all whilst still being 
perfectly loving, perfectly 

652
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,360
gracious, perfectly just. 
And then after a perfectly just 

653
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,520
and righteous life, he still 
dies for us. 

654
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,440
He takes his own punishment at 
the cost of his own life, 

655
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:27,640
therefore perfectly justifying 
us even though we mess up all 

656
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,720
the time. 
Beautiful. 

657
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,720
Love it. 
Oh my gosh. 

658
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,480
Because then the other side of 
that, there's there's the this 

659
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,840
is too good to be true camp. 
And then there's the there's 

660
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,280
kind of the cheap grace side of 
it too, Like how how much do we 

661
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,440
stray to? 
Well, Paul would write what that

662
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,600
should we shall we go on sitting
so that grace can increase by no

663
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,840
means right I. 
Love that by no means right. 

664
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,920
So that's that's the other side 
of it sounds too good to be 

665
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,680
true. 
It sounds like a then it sounds 

666
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,240
like a exploitable get out of 
jail free card loophole sort of 

667
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,800
thing, right, too. 
And that's not what we're that's

668
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,440
not what we're called to. 
We're we're called to obedience,

669
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,000
faithfulness. 
We're called to that discerning 

670
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,600
that voice of truth to I thought
that was great that you were 

671
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,760
like, do you know, do you know 
the truth well enough to be able

672
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,280
to tell what a lie is? 
That was that was excellent at 

673
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,880
at the end, your and your 
actionable takeaways of, of how 

674
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,880
to fight and that we that we 
don't fight alone. 

675
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,160
God, God is for us has already 
won. 

676
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,760
Like the you're, you're, you're 
right. 

677
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,760
We're already we're playing a 
game that the outcome has 

678
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,720
already been decided of of this 
fight. 

679
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,520
We sang a lot about that 
yesterday and A and a couple 

680
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,960
different songs. 
I wanted to get to. 

681
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:51,040
You talked about bringing things
to the light. 

682
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,120
Yes, you you talked about 
fighting in the light rather 

683
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,000
than darkness and you talked 
about isolation, how that's 

684
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,600
that's one of the top tools of 
the enemy. 

685
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,960
And I wanted it was so hard 
because there's so many things 

686
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,280
there's time constraints there's
you want to give like when when 

687
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,840
you're doing an application 
part, you don't want to lean too

688
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,320
heavily on like, OK, this is the
fit. 

689
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,120
You don't want to like do a 
diatribe on one of them and then

690
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,920
just like bullet point the other
ones either. 

691
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,640
I and maybe it's just where I'm 
at right now to it just in 

692
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,840
whatever in in my faith 
development, faith maturity or 

693
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,360
even just consciousness right 
now isolation. 

694
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,840
I is just like such on the 
forefront of of my mind. 

695
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,080
And I'm not calling out like I'm
not calling out introverts as as

696
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,960
that or anything. 
It can happen to any introvert, 

697
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,000
extrovert, seasoned Christian, 
baby Christian like it or non 

698
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:55,840
Christian like I I just you can 
even get into in into politics 

699
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,560
and divided factions of things 
like that's the enemy wants to 

700
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,640
create division and and at the 
extreme point that is isolation 

701
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,720
like that, like that's the most 
divided thing, right? 

702
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,320
Is, is us in isolation. 
And I think that manifests in a 

703
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,480
lot of ways. 
There's there's lies that the 

704
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,640
sins that we have or struggle 
with that only we could be as an

705
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,880
individual could be so terrible 
as to as to have gone those like

706
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,120
no one else could understand or 
know or experience or have done 

707
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,440
these things. 
And the enemy likes to corner us

708
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,920
in that way. 
When in reality, there's a lot 

709
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,520
of people around you that can 
like share the same struggles 

710
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,720
and shortcomings that you have. 
Right. 

711
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,400
So you touched on, you touched 
on a little bit of like, who who

712
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,440
knows what, where you're really 
at. 

713
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,280
Wasn't that your question was 
like who, who in your life knows

714
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,240
where you're really at? 
And I wanted to just, I wanted 

715
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,440
us to have a little bit of an 
application conversation with 

716
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,040
that. 
Like what is, what does that 

717
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,480
look like? 
Because that's discipleship, 

718
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,840
that's accountability. 
That's that's as iron sharpens 

719
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,200
iron. 
So one person sharpens another, 

720
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,840
one man sharpens another. 
I don't want to make light of 

721
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,640
that verse, but it applies. 
It applies to women too. 

722
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,920
It's not just a manly man verse 
as as iron sharpens iron. 

723
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,360
That's how Christians should be 
in relationships. 

724
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,760
So like just wanted to pick your
guys's brain on what does that 

725
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,800
look like practically? 
How do you how do you share 

726
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,520
those things on the other side? 
How do you as a Christian, how 

727
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:33,000
do you receive those things well
from others in in grace and not 

728
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,240
in judgement? 
How do, how do you kind of craft

729
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:41,000
yourself as a, as a safe outlet 
for these things? 

730
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,080
Because I think that's a big 
part of the isolation too. 

731
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,240
And it's, it's where we run into
these struggles with God. 

732
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:50,920
Like how, how could God be for 
me? 

733
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,840
I, I, I acted straight against 
him that even bringing a 

734
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,280
struggle to another person. 
It's like, what if they think 

735
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,280
I'm a monster? 
What, Well, like how, how could,

736
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,800
how could I bring this to them? 
I assume they're going to judge 

737
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,360
me for this. 
I assume they're going to think 

738
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,760
less of me for this. 
But it's a it's a process 

739
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,720
outlined in the buttwood for not
supposed to be isolated. 

740
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,400
So like, how does this look 
practically? 

741
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
I think one of the most 
important things is, I mean, you

742
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,360
have to have key people around 
you that are deep, meaningful 

743
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,440
relationships when it comes to 
Christ. 

744
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Like you can't exactly just go 
find somebody on the street or 

745
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,880
even necessarily somebody in the
church that you know, who knows 

746
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,680
you but doesn't truly know you 
and just kind of like trauma 

747
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,000
dump on them and be like, Hey, 
like, help me with this. 

748
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,800
It's it's intentionality of you 
have to be, I mean, if you're 

749
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,440
not in a life group, dude, like 
that is, that is where these 

750
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,720
type of relationships start to 
get built. 

751
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,280
And there's conversations, I 
don't know how your guys life 

752
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,360
groups go every week, but 
there's conversations where it 

753
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,200
gets heavy, it gets hard. 
Like some, some things come to 

754
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,040
light in those spaces because we
have that intentional 

755
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,640
relationship of, hey, we have 
this safe space. 

756
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,040
We all know that we deal with 
and struggle with slightly 

757
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,320
different things. 
Some of us have struggled with 

758
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,560
the exact same things and it's 
so easy. 

759
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Isolation was one that was 
really hard for me to not dive 

760
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,240
into because it's something that
I've struggled with personally 

761
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:29,840
as well. 
Like I'm very much of the 

762
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,680
mindset, these guys have 
something going on. 

763
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,720
I don't want to add to that. 
I don't want to throw that on 

764
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,760
their plate. 
They have their own struggles, 

765
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,920
they have their own issues, they
have families, they have 

766
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,440
friends. 
Like I don't want to throw that 

767
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,560
on them. 
But building these type of 

768
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,720
relationships have shown me that
there are people, even if it's 

769
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,320
not the whole group, even if 
it's one person or three people 

770
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,000
that you feel comfortable enough
to share these things with and, 

771
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,920
and they are willing and able to
receive them without judgment, 

772
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,880
without, you know, thinking 
you're a horrendous person. 

773
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,800
Like whatever the topic of 
conversation is, it's important 

774
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,000
to have those cornerstones in 
your life because if you don't 

775
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,560
have those, who are you, who are
you able to talk those things 

776
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,560
through with? 
You can bring them to God. 

777
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,920
Ideally you bring them to God 
and, and lay them at his feet 

778
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,200
and see what he has in store. 
But also as humans, we need that

779
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,800
human connection. 
We need to talk it through. 

780
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,160
We need to have that 
conversation and with other 

781
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,920
people, that's sometimes a 
little bit easier because you'd 

782
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
be surprised that at when you 
get to a certain point in the 

783
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,480
conversation, hey, I've been 
really struggling with this. 

784
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,240
I've been really, really 
struggling with with staying 

785
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,760
focused in this aspect aspect of
my life. 

786
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,600
OK, well, maybe that same person
that you're talking to had that 

787
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,960
same struggle 6 months ago, two 
years ago, five years ago. 

788
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,320
And now they're able to to shine
a little more light into your 

789
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,360
life of hey, this is the 
direction I took. 

790
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,480
This is what worked for me. 
This is what helped. 

791
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:06,240
Like if you need a weekly check 
in, like I'm happy to be that 

792
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,880
person. 
Yeah, and you touched on it a 

793
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,400
little bit. 
I think part of where this 

794
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:18,560
starts is the is the David Psalm
51 sort of thing like Lord 

795
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,680
against you and you alone have I
sinned. 

796
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,680
That's a wild thing to say in in
the fallout of committing an act

797
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,120
of adultery, a baby on the way 
and like having murdered his 

798
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,280
mistress's husband in in an act 
of war as essentially like for 

799
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,480
him to come to God and be like 
against you and you alone. 

800
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,000
Have I sinned crazy to say, but 
also like he needed to bring 

801
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,240
that to God because it was God's
precepts that he broke right. 

802
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,520
It was it was God's truth that 
he brought down. 

803
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,320
So I think fighting isolation 
like even before I agree with 

804
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,080
everything you said the the mat 
bearers is what is what Joby 

805
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,240
Martin would say. 
Do you have do you have these 

806
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:05,760
four guys that would carry you 
guys or girls that would that 

807
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,760
would carry you when you can't 
walk that would carry you to the

808
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,920
feet of Jesus for for him to 
work a miracle in you like The 

809
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,920
Who, who are who are the people 
that are alongside you in in 

810
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,520
those things whose faith is 
strong enough to to carry you 

811
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,840
right even before you go to 
those people. 

812
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,240
Have you brought it to God? 
Does he know all things? 

813
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:26,120
Yes. 
Does he know? 

814
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Does he know how you're 
struggling? 

815
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Does he know? 
But have you brought that to God

816
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,600
and against you and you alone 
Have I sinned? 

817
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Have you earnestly been like 
God, I've fallen short. 

818
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,760
I can't I don't want this. 
Why does Paul would write? 

819
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,680
Why do I do the things I don't 
want to do right? 

820
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,520
Have you gone to God first with 
that? 

821
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Have you have you let him know 
that you know how how you've 

822
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,720
been short even before you've 
gone to another person? 

823
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,800
I, I think it, I think it needs 
to start with that and then I, I

824
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,520
think you're right. 
And I know there might be some 

825
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,520
people listening or some people 
that you know, in your life that

826
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,720
are like, well, I don't, I don't
have those people that I can 

827
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:08,560
trust with whatever that I can 
trust with these heavy things. 

828
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,720
You got to get some. 
You got to, you got to find some

829
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:16,440
like at our bassist part. 
The first thing that God said 

830
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,400
that was not good in the whole 
Bible was for man to be alone, 

831
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,040
right? 
And he didn't create woman as 

832
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,880
like just someone for Adam to 
shoot the breeze with. 

833
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,320
Like it wasn't just, it wasn't 
just that it was the, the actual

834
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,680
act of isolation was not good 
for, for Adam to have. 

835
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,360
And that was the first thing 
that God was like, Nope, we got 

836
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,880
to change this. 
So yes. 

837
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,080
Does that happen through life 
groups? 

838
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,240
That's that's one of the 
mechanisms that we that we try 

839
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,920
to set up here. 
Beyond that, though, can you get

840
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,960
wise, good, faithful counsel 
from people that aren't in your 

841
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,040
life group? 
Yeah, you can. 

842
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,280
Do you need to be pretty 
discerning and know where 

843
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,480
they're at in their faith? 
Yeah. 

844
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,360
Beyond that, at thinking about 
those like who are the receivers

845
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,320
of these things? 
How do we church as as a people,

846
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,840
be gracious receptors of of 
these burdens? 

847
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Like how do you identify and 
communicate as as a safe landing

848
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,280
spot for someone who is 
apprehensive about these things?

849
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,560
How do you communicate an 
openness of hey, this is a this 

850
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,160
is a judgement free zone and 
that I say that I don't want to 

851
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:40,840
make light of how Jesus received
people's burdens because I don't

852
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,400
want to say theology man, you 
got to check me out this. 

853
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:51,200
I'm thinking of the woman at the
well, Jesus called her out 

854
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,000
saying you're right and saying 
you don't have a husband. 

855
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,080
You in fact have 5 right? 
And that was that sounds harsh. 

856
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,160
I don't think there was 
judgement and he was just 

857
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,760
calling a spade a spade, right? 
He, he was just saying, no, this

858
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,520
is, this is your reality and 
it's not in alignment with God's

859
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,120
truth. 
Your move like like that's, 

860
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,440
that's and, and to me, that's 
not judgement. 

861
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,520
That might feel like judgement 
to some people, but that's also 

862
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,720
just, that's just truth. 
If you're convicted by truth, 

863
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,840
that doesn't, that doesn't imply
judgement, right? 

864
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,880
That doesn't need to. 
It could bear judgement, but it 

865
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,920
doesn't have to bear judgement. 
How do people heal? 

866
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,120
It's a great question. 
James answers that the half 

867
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,600
brother of Jesus. 
He answers that in James 516 

868
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,400
where it says, therefore confess
your sins to one another and 

869
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,880
pray for one another that you 
may be healed. 

870
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,240
OK, So wow, that's a that's a 
big thing. 

871
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:55,120
So sometimes I think we often 
wonder like, man, it feels like 

872
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,960
I've told God, I've been honest 
with God and I don't feel healed

873
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,640
from this burden. 
I don't, you know, And it's 

874
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,280
like, well, gosh. 
First John 19 tells us that as 

875
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,760
we confess our sins to God, he's
faithful and Justin forgives us 

876
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,600
of all of our sins and cleanses 
us from all unrighteousness. 

877
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,520
That is true, God taking away 
our sins, but there is also the 

878
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,560
human element of feeling healed 
or actually literally being 

879
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,920
healed in some cases. 
But there's a process that 

880
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,400
doesn't happen until there is 
confession. 

881
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,120
And because the one thing I 
would say, and I've felt this 

882
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,080
before and I'll do a little 
Doctor Phil in a second, I'll 

883
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:38,600
tell you why I felt it. 
The thing is, like you might 

884
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,440
say, why do I have to confess my
sins to people? 

885
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,360
I already confess my sins to 
God, so I'm good, right? 

886
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,360
You are good in terms of the 
fact that, yeah, God has 

887
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,640
forgiven you of all of your 
sins. 

888
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,840
But do you want to be healed? 
Because that's what the Bible 

889
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,040
says. 
Do you want to be healed? 

890
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,160
Do I want to be healed of this 
nagging grief, of this nagging 

891
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:58,960
thing? 
Do I want to be? 

892
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,760
Is there a physical healing that
I need? 

893
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,120
Well, the Bible gives a way to 
do that. 

894
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,200
Confess your sins to one another
and pray for one another that 

895
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,960
you might be healed. 
So I'll tell you why I was that 

896
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,480
person saying, hey, I already 
confessed my sins, God, why do 

897
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,960
I? 
Because there's shame, because 

898
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,720
there's shame involved in 
confession sometimes. 

899
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,760
And So what I have learned over 
the years of spending time in 

900
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,040
men's groups and with mixed 
groups and all these kinds of 

901
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,080
things is that typically it just
takes one person to open up the 

902
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,960
floodgates, just one person. 
So if one brave person can be 

903
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,680
honest in that space and say, 
hey, I'm going to lay it out for

904
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,240
you. 
Here's what here's what I've 

905
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,440
done, here's what I struggle 
with. 

906
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,760
All of a sudden, and it may not 
be everybody because everybody's

907
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,400
on kind of a different timeline 
for that. 

908
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,600
But all of a sudden it creates 
an emotional vulnerability where

909
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,520
like now we can actually have a 
real conversation and we can 

910
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,720
actually have real talk about 
this is my area of struggle. 

911
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,520
So I would tell you, I say all 
this and you'll be like, well, I

912
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,840
don't hear you talking about 
that on Sunday. 

913
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,760
Well, here's the thing. 
I was once told don't preach in 

914
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,080
your underwear. 
In other words, that Sunday's. 

915
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Yeah, that's solid. 
That's a Dave VM. 

916
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,440
That's a Dave VM quote, doctor 
Dave VM, long time president of 

917
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,680
our seminary. 
Yep, it's a good one. 

918
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,320
It's my confirmation pastor. 
Don't, yeah, don't breach in 

919
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,120
your underwear. 
And what do you mean by don't 

920
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,160
preach in your underwear? 
Is that it just keeps saying it.

921
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,840
But what he means by that little
phrase is that that Sunday 

922
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,520
sermon time is not there for my 
personal confession time. 

923
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,120
It's not my the the congregation
is not like my group to just 

924
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,560
drama dump on. 
That's not the appropriate time.

925
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,000
But I do have people in my life 
select people who it's like, I 

926
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,080
know I can go to you and I know 
I can be safe and I know you'll 

927
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,080
pray for me when I admit these 
things. 

928
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,080
My wife is one of them, which I 
think your spouse should be able

929
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,600
to be one of them. 
But every once in a while, I 

930
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,640
suppose there are topics that 
even feel a little sketchy to 

931
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,680
talk to your spouse about. 
We'll find a friend, find a 

932
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,760
friend who you can honestly 
confess to so that you can be 

933
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,520
healed. 
It's really important. 

934
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,000
And if I had known that earlier 
in my Christian walk, I wouldn't

935
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,600
have stumbled so many times. 
And it's really hard because a 

936
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,480
lot of the time you can feel 
like, I feel like we can line up

937
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,000
a laundry list of excuses for 
that. 

938
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
Can you read in James 516 again?
Yep. 

939
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,200
Therefore, confess your sins to 
one another and pray for one 

940
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,760
another that you may be healed. 
So what's not in there are the 

941
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,440
excuses. 
This is just a process towards 

942
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,640
healing. 
It doesn't say confess your sins

943
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,520
unless you have generational 
baggage. 

944
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,960
It doesn't say confess your sins
unless your shame is 

945
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,720
overwhelming. 
It doesn't say confess your sins

946
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,320
unless you've done something 
unthinkable. 

947
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,720
Like there's no, there's no 
caveats, there's no, no this for

948
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,800
all of those things, for all of 
those things that are possibly 

949
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,720
holding you back from bringing 
these things to the light. 

950
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,760
This is the answer. 
Confessing them, bringing them 

951
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,440
to those, those iron sharpens 
iron people in your life, 

952
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,400
praying over them. 
That's where healing comes, 

953
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:24,840
right? 
Absolutely. 

954
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,920
And it's funny bringing that to 
the light that's made. 

955
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,520
I don't remember a lot of my 
sermons Funny, but I don't but 

956
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,560
that stuff about bringing. 
Bringing the things to the 

957
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:35,960
light. 
That's right. 

958
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,600
I'm sorry. 
That was right there. 

959
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,440
That was right there. 
Glad I could help you. 

960
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:49,640
Make fun of me. 
Dom's just upstage in us both. 

961
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,400
I know it's just I got to get 
back on stage so I can feel. 

962
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,880
Good but I'm preaching this 
week. 

963
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,760
I've not preaching 5 weeks. 
I know. 

964
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,440
Listen, listen, guy, you better 
warm up. 

965
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,840
It's been a while. 
It has been going to come out 

966
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,840
cold anyway. 
Oh my gosh, where is it? 

967
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Oh, that's where I was going. 
So during Christmas, Christmas 

968
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,360
Eve, a lot of that, a lot of 
those ideas were built around 

969
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,320
bringing things to the light. 
Because The thing is, I can't be

970
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,880
healed in darkness. 
I can't be healed in isolation. 

971
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,320
And so yes, you are 100% right. 
This text is 100% right. 

972
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,920
We have to be willing to be 
brave enough. 

973
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,040
And how do I, how do I get, how 
do I become brave enough? 

974
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,560
Oh, that's right. 
It all goes back to the gospel. 

975
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,720
So if I know in my heart of 
hearts that Jesus has paid for 

976
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:42,720
all of my sins and my future 
tells me I am with him in 

977
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,080
perfection forever, what then? 
Do I have to fear a person's 

978
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,480
opinion? 
Nope, maybe not Don't care. 

979
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:56,240
And so then, then again, I, I, 
it creates some sense of bravery

980
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:00,560
to encourage, to be able to say,
you know what, even if you don't

981
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,920
accept this, or even if I swung 
and missed, you weren't the 

982
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,600
person I, I should be having 
this intimate kind of confession

983
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,720
with. 
Guess what? 

984
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,800
I'm still OK because I'm still 
saved by the blood of the lamb. 

985
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,080
Therefore you can't knock my 
identity. 

986
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,760
You're not going to hurt me. 
What are you going to do? 

987
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Go tell 5 people that I made 
this confession to you, sweet, 

988
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,480
because I did those things. 
And guess what? 

989
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,000
Still saved by the blood of the 
lamb. 

990
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:28,800
Still awesome. 
So good, so good, Dom, anything 

991
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,000
else to close us out with? 
What about the oh, what about 

992
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,080
the Triple M if? 
Dom had. 

993
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:39,640
To give Dom, if you had to give 
like a a 92nd, this is what you 

994
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,680
should take from the sermon 
mirror Mortal Monday, I think 

995
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,040
is. 
Mere mortal Monday. 

996
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,360
Yeah, So what do us mere mortals
take from your lofty biblical 

997
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,760
words? 
I just say, you know, when 

998
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,800
you're stepping into spiritual 
battle, it's a reminder that 

999
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,000
you're not stepping in it alone.
You're stepping in it with the 

1000
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,240
people around you, but you're 
also stepping into it with God 

1001
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,680
already on your side. 
It's, you know, I broke it down 

1002
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,440
into, into 3 movements. 
You know, first your identity is

1003
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,600
settled before the battle even 
begins. 

1004
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,360
So Paul lays out that whole 
chain for known, predestined, 

1005
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,240
called, justified and glorified.
And the point is that your 

1006
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,240
relationship with God isn't 
fragile. 

1007
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,440
And then second, you go into the
battle is very real. 

1008
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,200
I mean, it's a very real thing. 
We we can avoid it. 

1009
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,680
We can not want to partake in it
as much as we want, but it's 

1010
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,880
still there. 
And but Paul says who can be 

1011
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,720
against us? 
You know, he's not saying no one

1012
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,840
is against us. 
He's saying that no one against 

1013
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,320
us can ultimately win. 
Yeah. 

1014
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,200
So there, there is real 
opposition, but you know, and a 

1015
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,640
lot of times it's, it's subtle, 
it's little lies, accusations, 

1016
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,360
you know, that don't necessarily
bring you to confession, but to 

1017
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,840
shame into hiding in isolation 
like we talked about. 

1018
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,760
But then we get to turn the 
corner and, and the turning 

1019
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000
point is really that we don't 
fight alone. 

1020
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,560
You know, this, this text can 
feel really heavy when you take 

1021
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,400
it from this angle of, of 
spiritual warfare. 

1022
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,240
But then the ending, you know, 
we get to turn that corner of 

1023
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:19,160
not fighting it alone. 
If God is for us, that changes 

1024
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,720
everything. 
That's so good. 

1025
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,960
It means you're you're, you're 
not in a fair fight. 

1026
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,640
That was my that was my personal
favorite take away from it is 

1027
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,880
from my study even is that we're
not in a fair fight. 

1028
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,320
It's not US versus our sin. 
It's not US versus Satan in 

1029
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,320
temptation. 
It's us and the God who created 

1030
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:46,480
all things, who already won. 
He already has the ultimate 

1031
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,880
victory, and He's fighting and 
standing next to us through any 

1032
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,120
and all of our struggles. 
That's it. 

1033
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:54,480
Gravy. 
That's it. 

1034
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,320
It's. 
Like we're holding an atom bomb 

1035
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,320
and the enemy is just balling up
his tiny little fists and it's 

1036
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,120
like, come on man, what are we 
doing this? 

1037
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,720
You're right, it's not a fair 
fight. 

1038
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,880
First round knockout done love. 
It that's so good. 

1039
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,520
Thanks for hanging with us 
today, Dom. 

1040
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,640
Appreciate you bringing the word
the past couple weeks and yeah, 

1041
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,200
we'll we'll have you back for 
sure blessings on the rest of 

1042
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,600
your studies for the rest of the
semester and we'll see you 

1043
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,520
around. 
You're not going anywhere. 

1044
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:21,920
No. 
Thank you. 

1045
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,200
Thanks for hanging with us this 
week, Church. 

1046
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,960
If you have suggestions or 
things you'd like us to respond 

1047
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,520
to for Salty and Lit segment, 
just things going around 

1048
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,720
Christendom that you see going 
on social media are just funny 

1049
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,400
things. 
You'd like our response related 

1050
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,720
to church life things or if you 
have submissions for adulting 

1051
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,280
with Pastor Matt, we'd be happy 
to hear from you on these 

1052
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,080
things. 
You can comment below the 

1053
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,120
episode or send your texts, your
questions, your topics, your 

1054
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:57,880
ideas to 563-659-9444 and we'd 
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1055
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,000
the podcast. 
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1056
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,880
Thanks for hanging with us. 
Have a blessed week.