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Happy Monday. 
We're back with another ERC 

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Leftovers episode. 
I'm Pastor Matt. 

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That's Pastor Chris. 
Say hi, Pastor Chris. 

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Hey, how you doing? 
It's good to see you. 

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We are we are inversely matching
today I just realized. 

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That you're wearing the white, 
white with black logo and I have

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the black with white logo, all 
right. 

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Yeah, it's not, you know, 
there's nobody else in the 

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building, so it doesn't feel 
mildly embarrassing or anything.

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But there was a Sunday, I don't 
know, it was a year or better 

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ago where we both wore like a 
black polo in like, grey pants. 

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And I was like, oh, I don't 
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I mean. 
I think it was the other way 

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around. 
We wore. 

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Gray with black pants, and I 
wore black with Gray pants. 

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And we were like, and I think 
you even wore like Gray shoes 

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and I wore black shoes and we 
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It was a strange thing, but it 
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Kind of strange. 
Yeah, so anyway, Monday, thanks 

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for y'all who helped out with 
the Bicks, came out to the 

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Bicks, endured the rain with us 
and cheered runners on. 

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We passed out so I don't know it
was it was better than a month 

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ago. 
I think I had the I want to be 

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annoying for Jesus line. 
Yeah, it was just great. 

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We passed out. 
For those of you who don't know 

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or haven't seen the little tiny 
miniature Jesus's that have been

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hidden around church for the 
better part of a year. 

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We passed out about 1000 of 
those to runners who would, who 

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would take them, who'd receive 
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It was really funny to see 
'cause we're just like on the 

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side of the road, on the side of
the race, of course. 

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And I say we, I was, I was 
playing music, I was watching 

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others pass out the Jesus's. 
But they were holding them in 

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boxes or holding them in their 
hands. 

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And as the runners were going 
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like what they were. 
They just like they see these 

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little white things. 
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I bet there were 50 of them that
ran past, realized what they 

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were and like ran back to grab a
little baby Jesus. 

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They they were that excited 
about it, like it was, it was. 

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It was neat, it happened a 
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From what I understand is that 
people also weren't paying 

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attention and assumed it was 
like a small piece of like candy

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and then they popped little 
Jesus into their mouth only to 

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realize that Nope, this is not 
communion. 

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This is not how we receive 
Jesus. 

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That is a plastic little figure 
of Him. 

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Yeah, well, we did have the IT 
was the white robe, Jesus with 

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the brown sash. 
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looked like a little Tootsie 
roll, I guess was fun. 

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Yeah. 
So anyway, that was fun. 

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Played music for about 2 1/2 
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So thanks for. 
Yeah, thanks for the rest of you

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coming and helping making Jesus 
known this weekend at the Bix. 

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It was fun, it was good, and 
they already invited us to come 

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back last year or next year and 
do music again, so that'll be 

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something to look forward to as 
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Yeah, it's a great weekend and 
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believe there are right around 
14,000 runners this year. 

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Yeah, they had bib numbers for 
up to 16,000. 

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I don't know that everyone ran 
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but yeah, it was in that 15,000 
range of people. 

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So, so I mean, for, for our 
church to be able to come 

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through and just, you know, 
share the gospel through music 

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for hours on end and whether 
that's looks like little Jesus's

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or whatever that looks like, I 
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be able to impact that many 
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And yeah, just just the wider 
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I think it's really neat. 
Yeah, and that was the. 

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So if you don't know, Derrick 
Hendrickson had a Jesus costume.

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Like he had the sandals and the 
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and the beard, like the whole 
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But he also put sunglasses on. 
He had like these red, yellow 

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reflective sunglasses on. 
And I was thinking about it 

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afterwards and I was just like, 
the, the, that's the what I love

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about music. 
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go and do this if we just sent 
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people down there just to pass 
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And he was in a Jesus costume on
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Like that's a crazy person, 
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Like that's, that's not helpful.
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the racetrack hanging out. 
Jesus put put the band and the 

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music and the and the banners 
and the people there, though, 

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And like, it's OK. 
It's it's not wildly offensive. 

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I don't know. 
It's a it's not a crazy person, 

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right? 
Right. 

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Well, because otherwise, you 
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dressed up, you know, as Jesus 
and you look like just the guy 

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who's normally in the street 
corner with the repent or go to 

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hell, you know, cardboard signs 
and he's just dressed in a 

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costume today. 
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all the people there, now all of
a sudden it's, oh, this actually

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makes sense in this space, in 
this time. 

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Yeah, So I just love how it just
as a church, they've our people 

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have just kind of grabbed onto 
that and take, OK, the band's 

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playing. 
But this is an opportunity to to

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do more with that and to end to 
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So that's really cool. 
I appreciate that. 

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Or would you rather this week 
we're going to get back into 

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silliness? 
Would you rather go on a forest 

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hike guaranteed to encounter a 
bear, or swim in the ocean 

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guaranteed to encounter a shark?
Do. 

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And like shark that will not not
like a nurse shark, like a shark

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that could take a bite out of 
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So that's that's what my 
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like what kind of bear are we 
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I don't know that it matters for
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That's true I think. 
I mean a grizzly would be like 

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worst case scenario right? 
But still, I don't want to like 

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run into a black bear. 
No, no, I, you know, I'm not 

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Michael Phelps. 
That's that's for sure. 

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I don't think Michael Phelps 
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guaranteed to encounter a shark.
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matter. 
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think one of the scary things 
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first of all, I'm I'm only 
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Like I get about chest height 
into the ocean. 

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I'm like, we're done. 
We're done and because. 

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Even if you like, Even if it's 
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Yeah. 
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that kind of stuff, we've, we've
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Than a creature thing. 
It's more than a creature. 

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Thing Power of the ocean. 
Thing it's it's untamable as we 

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have learned through the 
millennia. 

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And you know, the fact that I 
have swam in a lot of ocean kind

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of spaces where you can't see 
once you get past two or three 

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feet, you're like, I can't see 
what's below me anymore. 

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Let me share a short story. 
I was in Florida a couple years 

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ago and I think I was like, 
yeah, up to like my solar plexus

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and water and something 
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I don't know what it was, but it
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It hit my leg under the water 
and I just about had a heart 

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attack. 
I, I don't know, like at 40 

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something years old, I don't 
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I moved real fast in that water,
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And it didn't take a bite. 
It just ran into me, whatever it

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was. 
And I, I was out of the water 

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for like the rest of the day. 
I was like, I'm done. 

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I I don't need that. 
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more the like the fear of the 
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I think I would be pretty 
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deep water, like like whatever, 
like out in a boat jumping in at

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the last summer. 
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did some some buoys, some 
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Like couldn't really see around 
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whatever. 
Not afraid of a shark in Lake MI

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but. 
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Also, like even a lot like even 
if a large fish had like I, I 

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wouldn't enjoy, I wouldn't have 
enjoyed that not being able to 

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see it in that, in that sort of 
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So for me, it's more of the 
unknown. 

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I think if I could see through 
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comfortable in the ocean all 
around me. 

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That being said, of these 
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one is is a favorable scenario. 
Like you're, you're probably 

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done for either way. 
I would I would just feel 

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exceedingly helpless in the 
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Like I there's no chance I could
get away from that shark. 

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There's zero. 
Like there's very little chance 

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you could outrun or outmaneuver 
or just like be a tough enough 

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get for the bear. 
Like there's there's, if he's 

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determined, like that's probably
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There's no chance of getting 
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Like, no, you're in his element,
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And and like even kicking or 
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to fight it like. 
The eye gouge or whatever, I 

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just don't. 
They they say all those things 

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and I know it's possible and I 
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or or whatever, but it just 
seems wildly unlikely to me. 

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I would, I would just feel so 
disoriented and I can't, and you

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can't see him. 
Like what do you, what do you 

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do? 
You can't even see. 

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A. 
How are you going to gouge an 

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eye that you can't? 
You can't necessarily know where

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it is your. 
Escape, yeah. 

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Yeah, well, and gosh, at least 
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outrun it, which you probably 
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Probably. 
I'm sure you can't. 

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I know I can't. 
Then at some point you're like, 

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well, I guess we're just going 
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We're going to wrestle and this 
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and I'm going to be in a really 
bad position. 

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But what if? 
But what if I can actually see 

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it well enough to like, yeah, 
try and gouge its eyes or 

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something. 
You know, like, at least I feel 

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like in a tiny, tiny way I have 
a fighting chance, but with a 

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shark I have no chance for. 
The bear, I feel like yeah, you 

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could at least put up maybe 
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be annoying enough in in 
whatever, whatever. 

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I don't know, you run around a 
tree or you're run. 

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Up a. 
Hill or something you could do 

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something to be annoying it 
might not be enough to get him 

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to leave you alone but in the 
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like a sitting duck just. 
There's nothing. 

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Waiting for the shark to go 
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I I can't. 
I can't do anything to make him 

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go away. 
I can maybe frustrate the bear 

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enough to be like this isn't 
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At at that point with the shark,
I just have to hope like, well, 

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I hope my left leg was a big 
enough meal and now he'll go 

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home. 
He'll go home happy with my left

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leg and there we go and. 
That's what's so like most most 

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shark attacks it's like 1 one 
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you're not food and they leave 
you alone. 

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But at that point the damage is 
done right? 

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Like they they don't want to 
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You, but we're also. 
Not really made to survive a 

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shark attack. 
So yeah, so I think, I think 

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it's the bear. 
I don't, I don't like my odds in

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either situation of the two, I'm
not escaping a shark. 

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I could maybe escape a bear, 
maybe right. 

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And and I I realize I probably 
sound way more confident than 

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the odds actually are. 
I I fully realize those odds are

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still very low of running into a
determined bear like getting 

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away is not is not good. 
So anyway, let us know what 

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you'd rather face off with. 
Bear in the woods or shark in 

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the ocean. 
Now reverse it. 

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Shark in the woods or bear in 
the ocean. 

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Shark in the woods. 
Shark in the woods. 

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I'm taking the shark in the 
woods this. 

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Is like Sharknado level idea now
Sharknado a shark in the. 

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I'm sorry, that was absurd. 
That was that was another one of

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the questions we had. 
Would you just say anything that

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I would clearly be the say 
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So, yeah, All right, let us 
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Would you like to face off with 
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That's it, it's over now. 
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anything all day except for a 
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waiting to drop on. 
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And that's a weird thing. 
I'm going to have AI create that

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image, by the way. 
It's going to be great. 

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Wood Shark. 
Wood shark, Forest shark. 

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Forest shark. 
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This is a good start. 
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start here on Monday. 
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All right, well, if you've if 
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Don't know if I have it's, it's 
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It's fine. 
I'll be OK. 

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You walked us through the latter
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had a couple, I think really 
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takeaways. 
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fantastic. 
Did did someone make that image 

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or did they find that image? 
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And what does it say on? 
Jesus is my pilot. 

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The Bible is my passport and 
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you at one point did you say 
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sermon yesterday? 
I had no idea whatever that 

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OK, so 'cause you, you said like
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with the blood of Jesus and and 
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the analogy, but I thought this 
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that too. 
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had of the courage and and the 
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all those things I just thought 
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of Paul and how he did that. 
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What was the third one you 
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With humility. 
Humility. 

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So you started. 
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I think that's the thing, like 
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it's great to do devotionals. 
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You can find 10,000 of them on 
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on it, be willing to just take 
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a chapter or a couple verses, 
and just sit there and meditate 

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on that for as long as you 
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Ask all the questions of the 
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the text can answer, but just 
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I think when you do things like 
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you. 
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that's that's the exercise that 
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through and prepping for a 
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over and over and over again. 
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hours, whether I'm at the gym or
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opportunity to do that, I think 
God uses his Holy Spirit to 

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enlighten us and show us some 
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his conversion story, you know, 
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man, it must have taken an 
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admit he was wrong and to look 
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people in the face and say, you 
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I, I don't know a lot of people 
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that level of humility? 
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this ridiculous confidence to be
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anywhere, anytime about Jesus. 
How do those two things exist in

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the same person, right? 
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those questions. 
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has an answer to those 
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either teaching a Bible study or
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It's just asking the text a lot 
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answers from it. 
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example of, I mean, if you talk 
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faith of someone else and be 
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Like just seen the level of, of 
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peace in a person? 
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faith like? 
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gospel faith. 
Timothy Keller's book shaped by 

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the Gospel, like I think 
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the same time, Paul's not 
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or his life too seriously or, 
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that level of humility. 
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confident that that's the way 
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You get to that point in your 
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than your life is compared 
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in Jesus. 
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things like Lord, I need you or 
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God's strength has brought us 
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I still, I'm not sure that this 
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Wyatt Wyatt Winters and I 
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of reflecting on that. 
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simply God, God, I need you. 
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over again, but it's it's more 
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has supported our lives and just
the acknowledge it, not crying 

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reliance of I couldn't have been
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My life couldn't be what it is 
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Just the, the utter confidence 
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You're not going to change my 
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don't change your mind, right? 
He doesn't need that end result 

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Correct. 
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that there's a moment where God 
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you are the, I'll paraphrase 
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unabashedly say this is what God
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extent that you're willing to do
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your, your, their blood is on 
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But to the extent that you hold 
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information, and you don't give 
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or whatever, now their blood, 
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that's on you now. 
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believe that Paul was really 
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Ezekiel. 
It might be chapter 33. 

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But he's so well aware of that 
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am, I am blameless for your 
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I, I have given you exactly what
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spiritually. 
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can walk away in freedom. 
And we talked about that in our 

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Bible study actually yesterday 
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We have to remind ourselves that
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gospel, but we don't save 
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That's not our job. 
Our job is not to save people. 

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Our job is to bring them Jesus. 
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their free will, has the 
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of that or to reject it, you 
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think for Paul, too. 
Yep. 

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And I think we've said, you 
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Lord is not just right. 
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That is Ezekiel 33. 

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past couple weeks. 
And I don't want it to come out 

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as a cop out because I think we 
should to some degree feel 

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responsible for the future, for 
the eternity of of the people 

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around us, the people in our 
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point where we are loving them 
like Jesus, where we are showing

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them Jesus, telling them about 
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You're not a failure if they 
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realization of who he is. 
That's that isn't your 

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responsibility. 
But I don't want it to be heard 

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as a cop out of like, well, gave
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own. 
Like there's obviously a greater

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depth of relationship that we 
can be called to there, but it 

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doesn't happen in every instance
either. 

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It might, it might just simply 
be that moment and hopefully 

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that person has a, a stringing 
together of events in their life

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where they, they get glimpses of
Jesus from multiple different 

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people in it and it's impressed 
upon them that way. 

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So not, yeah, not as a cop out, 
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this is this is how we're called
to it. 

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And, and Paul's example in it 
of, of humility of, I don't want

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to say like lack of expectation.
I don't, I don't think he was 

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saying it believing it was going
to fall on deaf ears. 

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I think he was hopeful that they
were going to receive it and 

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embrace it, but he he set it up 
in a way that was he tried to be

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on like an equal playing field 
with them right. 

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He he tried to he tried to enter
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verses 3 through 5. 
I am a Jew born in Tarsus, 

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brought up in this city, 
educated at the feet of Gamaliel

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according to the strict manner 
of the law of our fathers being 

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zealous for God as all of you 
are this day. 

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So he kind of like I was one of 
you. 

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I I was like you and look at me 
now and not in a look at me now.

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I'm awesome. 
But I was this way and Jesus 

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Christ changed my life, so you 
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same. 
Right, absolutely. 

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Well, I mean, he works really 
hard in the beginning and we 

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didn't cover these verses 
because like I said, we covered 

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his conversion story on June 
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But he's he's working very hard 
to find common ground with them.

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And in fact, if he's bragging at
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former self and how much better 
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than they are even right now. 
I mean, think about it. 

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He he just lays it out. 
He's like, I succeeded in what 

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you just tried to do. 
I had people killed because of 

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this faith. 
You can't do that. 

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You tried to kill me and you've 
been trying for 30 years, 

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haven't succeeded yet, but I 
did. 

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So I'm actually better at what, 
at the flaw that you're doing 

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than you are. 
And I think that's actually kind

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of a funny way to do that. 
A. 

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Little backhanded compliment 
there. 

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A little bit, yeah. 
It's and so, yeah, his, his 

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zeal, his persecution of the 
early church is the stuff of 

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legend. 
It's really impressive in the 

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worst ways. 
And he lays that out for them. 

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00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,920
And he's like, you guys got 
nothing on me. 

447
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,200
Like I was the baddest dog in 
the yard when I was persecuting 

448
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,000
Christians. 
Everybody was afraid of me. 

449
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,080
What are you going to do to me? 
And and, and it's again, it's 

450
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,680
not this braggadocious thing. 
It's this, but I've changed. 

451
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,600
I've I've evolved into the 
gospel, I've come into a greater

452
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,760
truth, a better realization of 
this, this faith that our 

453
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,040
fathers and our forefathers have
lived and died on for the last 

454
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,160
thousands of years. 
I've seen the fulfillment of it 

455
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,320
and I've I've experienced the 
fulfillment of it. 

456
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,960
Therefore, I want you to be 
where I am. 

457
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Paul does that in other places 
too. 

458
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,640
He talks about the fact that I 
want you to be like me and he's 

459
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,240
not saying that like, hey, 
everybody, I'm, I'm really 

460
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,400
perfect at this thing. 
He's saying, no, I want you to 

461
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,400
be like me and how I follow 
Christ. 

462
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,480
I think you pointed that out a 
couple weeks ago. 

463
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,320
Like I just, I just want you to 
follow Christ the way I do, 

464
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,680
right, Right. 
Not because I'm great, but 

465
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,440
because he's. 
Great emphasis on Christ being 

466
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,560
the one you're following exactly
Paul being the one you're 

467
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,480
following. 
But my example of how to follow 

468
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,520
Christ is one that you should 
replicate, one that you should 

469
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,640
emulate. 
The other part of him kind of 

470
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,080
declaring this I, I was, I was 
the baddest of the bad when I, 

471
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,280
when I was, when I was one of 
you all is I, I think there's an

472
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,560
element of hope in that too. 
Like I was, I was better at this

473
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,200
persecution thing than all of 
you and I was worse than all of 

474
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,560
you. 
And there was still hope for me.

475
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,400
And, and yet I still was brought
around to faith in Christ. 

476
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,920
And the rest of this chapter 22 
is, or at least the beginning 

477
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,960
part of it is him recounting his
conversion story to them, him 

478
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,240
explaining to them how it went 
down. 

479
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:21,000
So I, I think there's an element
in there too of yes, he's, he's 

480
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:27,240
pointing out like you haven't, 
you haven't opposed me in the 

481
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,320
church the, the way even that I 
was able to do when I was on the

482
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,800
other side. 
And that means there's still, if

483
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,200
there's hope for me, there's 
hope for you. 

484
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,920
So come on around. 
And I think when we sometimes we

485
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,400
meet people and there there's 
all sorts of people who have 

486
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,960
issues with Christianity, but 
there's a certain sect of people

487
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,640
who have issues with 
Christianity because they feel 

488
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,000
like there's no way I have, I've
been divorced X number of times 

489
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,600
or I've done whatever. 
And so they think there is no 

490
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,120
possible way that like God could
forgive somebody like me. 

491
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,880
I've got a friend who is 
absolutely assured that God 

492
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,680
should not forgive people who 
commit murder or other really 

493
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,760
heinous acts. 
I mean, he calls himself a 

494
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,400
Christian, sure, OK. 
But as I've had conversations 

495
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,040
with him, he's like, yeah, I got
there's no way God, God 

496
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,760
shouldn't forgive that. 
He can't forgive that, blah, 

497
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,600
blah, blah. 
And so I mean, like that is 

498
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,960
somebody who of course puts sin 
on a relative scale, seeing 

499
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,360
that, you know, well, this sin 
put Jesus on the cross, but this

500
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,240
one isn't that bad, you know, 
And so there's a problem there 

501
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,440
too. 
But like we do run into people 

502
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,640
who they do feel such a 
heavyweight of what they've done

503
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,200
that they don't believe that the
gospel is enough. 

504
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,120
And so for people like that, we 
have to point to Paul. 

505
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,480
We have to because he as 
self-proclaimed the kind of the 

506
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,760
worst of the worst. 
And so when I, when I have run 

507
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560
into people like that and we 
start to have conversations, I 

508
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,360
do bring up Paul and I do bring 
up the thief on the cross. 

509
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,320
Neither of these people. 
And us, of course, like we 

510
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,680
haven't done anything to merit 
God's grace. 

511
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,520
We haven't done anything to earn
that. 

512
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,800
Like I haven't cleaned myself up
enough. 

513
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,040
And now God's like, oh, well, 
now we can. 

514
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Now I can work with you the rest
of the way. 

515
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,400
No, the fact is, God wants me at
my lowest. 

516
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,720
He wants me at my worst and he 
won't leave me there. 

517
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040
I think we've said that too. 
Like, he's not going to leave 

518
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,800
you there, but he'll, he'll take
you right, right there. 

519
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,520
He'll take you wherever you are.
You know, he loves you that 

520
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,280
much. 
And so we do have to have that 

521
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,400
sense of, you know, willingness 
to, to go there with somebody 

522
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,200
who maybe doesn't feel like 
they're even worthy of 

523
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,240
forgiveness or grace. 
Yeah, and that's a, that's a 

524
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,560
tough place to be. 
If we get in that sort of 

525
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:56,040
self-righteous, like, I don't 
know that we say it out loud, 

526
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:02,960
but we maybe think it like, man,
I hope you're, I hope I don't 

527
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,160
see you in heaven. 
Like I, I think our actions can 

528
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,920
sometimes betray us that way of 
like I, I am a better Christian 

529
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,080
than you are, or I'm more worthy
of God's grace than, than this 

530
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,600
person. 
And we kind of, we kind of have 

531
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,840
that relative righteousness like
as, or I'm at least I'm not as 

532
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,760
bad as that person. 
And and that's a weird spot to 

533
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,680
be in. 
And Paul's laying it all out 

534
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,200
right here that there's there's 
not, there shouldn't be, that 

535
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,400
there can't be that as it 
relates to sin and grace. 

536
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,240
There's something interesting 
that I caught and I don't 

537
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,160
follow, I didn't follow this 
really closely, but somebody, I 

538
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,720
believe he was in Idaho, he had 
done this awful, awful thing. 

539
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,160
I think he killed like 4 college
age kids or whatever. 

540
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,800
And so I caught a clip of 
several during sentencing, 

541
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,680
several family members able to 
address the man who did that to 

542
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,280
their loved ones. 
And the majority of them were, 

543
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,440
of course, reasonably so 
incredibly angry and hurt. 

544
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,640
And they let this guy know from 
across the courtroom. 

545
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,880
And I remember one of the one of
the family members just said, I 

546
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,760
hope you burn in hell forever. 
And then there was somebody 

547
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,520
else. 
And it was only one of them, but

548
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,520
one of them said, I, I can't 
hold on to this. 

549
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,360
I, I can't hate you forever. 
I forgive you and I and 

550
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:30,680
basically I hope you find God, 
you know, and so I mean, I think

551
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,000
both of those, you know, the, 
the, I hope you burn in hell 

552
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,360
forever. 
And in some ways that feels like

553
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,600
a reasonable reaction. 
I want justice, I want 

554
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,560
judgement, I want punishment. 
But the other side of that is 

555
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,800
the person who says, you know 
what? 

556
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,120
I I'm not going to do this to me
and I'm not going to do this to 

557
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,920
you. 
Like I I'm a Sinner just like 

558
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,960
you. 
I need Jesus just as much as you

559
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,400
do. 
I know what you did was maybe 

560
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,120
civilly infinitely more awful 
than what I'll ever do with my 

561
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,760
speeding tickets or God knows 
what. 

562
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,440
But but we all need Jesus. 
Every single one of us. 

563
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,360
The murderer. 
Like Paul all the way down to 

564
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,680
the adulterer in their mind, you
know, the the person who just 

565
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920
fantasizes. 
Well, Jesus calls that adultery.

566
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,600
And so, you know, we all need 
Jesus. 

567
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,120
I don't, I don't care what your 
outside life looks like. 

568
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,280
We all need him. 
We do and that's it's so 

569
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:32,080
backwards what Christianity does
to justice because even that 

570
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,840
phrase they like it's reasonable
that in that situation they 

571
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,760
would want justice for what that
person did. 

572
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,040
The more the more reasonable, 
the more heartfelt Christian 

573
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,400
would would truly long for them 
to come to know Jesus. 

574
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,920
And that's also justice like the
like even how God approaches 

575
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,720
that situation of us, us being I
hope you meet justice and and 

576
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,640
burn in hell. 
I think God rightfully 

577
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,040
righteously approaches that 
situation is I also hope you 

578
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,200
meet justice in the form of what
my son has done for you. 

579
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Like that's that's available 
there. 

580
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880
And that's that's more of the 
posture with which God wants 

581
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,160
that person to meet. 
Justice is coming to 

582
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,400
forgiveness, coming to 
repentance for that thing. 

583
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,320
And we get caught up in the 
worldly part of it. 

584
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,160
Yeah, I, I don't know, I, I 
just, I know that, I know that's

585
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,480
so backwards and I can't 
imagine. 

586
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,200
I, I get right. 
I, I say that never having been 

587
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,200
in that scenario, hopefully 
never being in that scenario. 

588
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
So I don't, I don't know how I'd
react, but I would I would hope 

589
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,000
there's a need to breathe song 
called when you forgive someone.

590
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,640
And the the course is when you 
forgive someone, you set 

591
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,280
yourself free. 
Like I, I do fear a little bit 

592
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,360
for that person who stated, I 
hope you burn in hell. 

593
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,000
Like that's a posture of I will 
never forgive you. 

594
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,680
And that's a posture of them 
always being hung up and held 

595
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,840
back on. 
Yes, this heinous, unfair, 

596
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,480
unthinkable thing that happened 
to your life. 

597
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,880
But that I I think that in 
infects and and just just just 

598
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,720
stews and becomes almost becomes
a God in in that person's life. 

599
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,160
Then that this thing was so 
unjust and even the posture of 

600
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,960
their being the the only answer 
for justice being them burning 

601
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,760
in hell. 
Man, that's it's so dangerous. 

602
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,320
It really is. 
And The thing is like we, we can

603
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,800
hold that posture of that person
if we don't believe that God 

604
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,240
will do justice, right. 
So I mean, like, I know he used 

605
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,800
the phrase I hope you burn in 
hell. 

606
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,800
Well, by it's very nature, 
that's a Christian idea. 

607
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,920
OK. 
But I don't think he's 

608
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,400
attributing that Christian idea 
to the God who does justice, 

609
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,720
because if he, if he understood 
the God who does justice 

610
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,320
perfectly, you know, who judges 
perfectly, he would still be 

611
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
hurt. 
He would still be angry, but he 

612
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,719
would understand that God's 
justice does win out no matter 

613
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,280
what happens, no matter what 
happens to, to that person who 

614
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,239
perpetrated these crimes or, or 
to himself or anybody else. 

615
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Like, and, and that's the thing,
you go through the Psalms and 

616
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,719
you see the theme of justice 
over and over and over again. 

617
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,120
And we learn through the Psalms 
and through other ways that God 

618
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,960
is perfectly just. 
He is the perfect judge. 

619
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,719
And you know, we have this hope.
And I think I've heard it said 

620
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,600
this way that every wrong will 
be undone, undone as if it never

621
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,400
happened to us. 
And so I mean, that's we talked 

622
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,560
about, you know, how do I Live 
Today because of what I know 

623
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,440
about my future. 
That's how I can Live Today when

624
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,560
things seem unjust is because I 
know my future and I know my God

625
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,800
is a perfect judge and that 
there is not a single crime or 

626
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,840
sin that he hasn't fully 
punished in his Son. 

627
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:11,320
And you know, those who accept 
that gift will not be judged 

628
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,960
because Jesus has already been 
judged on their behalf. 

629
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,720
But those who refuse that, who 
want to live in bitterness and 

630
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:21,400
anger and whatever, like, OK, 
well, you're just going to get 

631
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,080
exactly what you wanted. 
It's not God kicking you down 

632
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,440
the hill, keeping you in hell. 
You're just getting what you 

633
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,560
asked for. 
And that sounds bad too. 

634
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,360
I know that, but it's it's true.
Like we, we get exactly what we 

635
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,120
ask for. 
If I ask for Jesus, I get Jesus.

636
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,280
If I reject Jesus, I don't. 
And it's that simple. 

637
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,440
And that I think, I think you 
paraphrased a little bit the, 

638
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,200
the original phrase, I think is 
from Lord of the Rings. 

639
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,640
Sam Wise says every sad thing 
will become untrue. 

640
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,680
So good. 
And there, yes, there's 

641
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,880
Christian theology in Lord of 
the Rings. 

642
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,000
If you didn't know that, there 
there is. 

643
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,440
And I and I love that. 
I love that line. 

644
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:08,280
And I think that is all that is 
ultimately justice in in God's 

645
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,400
eyes, that for those that are 
redeemed, those that are made 

646
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,960
new, every sad thing does become
untrue. 

647
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,800
But that person, that wrongdoer 
us, I, I, I don't want to do 

648
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,440
the, the US and them thing 
because we are that wrongdoer. 

649
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,240
It would be justice either way. 
Of course, God's justice will 

650
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,240
win out it. 
It may end up with that person 

651
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640
not coming to Jesus. 
It may come with that person not

652
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,760
coming to redemption, and God's 
justice will win out. 

653
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,040
If that person did come to faith
in Jesus, God's justice will 

654
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960
also win out in their life. 
So. 

655
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,320
It's a yeah. 
God's gonna win either way. 

656
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,240
Yeah, period. 
Moving ahead, jumping a little 

657
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:50,800
past his kind of recollection of
his conversion on the road to 

658
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,760
Damascus, there, verse 12, he 
points out to this Jewish crowd,

659
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,040
and one Ananias, A devout man 
according to the law, well 

660
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,760
spoken of by all the Jews who 
lived there, came to me and 

661
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,680
standing by me, said to me, 
Brother Saul, receive your 

662
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920
sight. 
And at the very hour I received 

663
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,120
my sight and saw him, he's 
pointing out to them that 

664
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Ananias was religiously by 
faith, a Christian, culturally 

665
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:22,240
by practice, still a Jew, right?
He's not saying they're mutually

666
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,000
exclusive. 
And we have even we have the 

667
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,680
words of Paul, the words of 
Jesus, neither Jew nor Greek, 

668
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,120
neither slave nor free. 
Like this is open to everyone. 

669
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,680
And still practicing what Paul's
pointing out here is still 

670
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:39,160
practicing Jewish cultural 
customs does not exclude you 

671
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,680
from the love of Christ, 
Correct? 

672
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,640
So he's all he's also saying I 
am like I was like you and even 

673
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,200
the way you are now look at look
to this example of this man 

674
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,400
Ananias. 
It's still readily available. 

675
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Like you don't need to dismiss 
this. 

676
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:02,880
You don't you don't need to 
separate yourself from from this

677
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,920
Judaism. 
What you need to do is come to 

678
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,520
Jesus right like you need to add
that to to the pot. 

679
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,320
Yeah, well, and The thing is 
like, it goes both ways. 

680
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,520
So I don't have to, if I'm a 
Jewish person, I don't have to 

681
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,240
ditch my Jewish customs to 
believe fully in the grace of 

682
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,600
Jesus Christ. 
Now, what I do need to do in 

683
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,960
that scenario is make sure that 
my customs and the law I am 

684
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,120
following are not the thing that
I believe gives me salvation, 

685
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,360
right? 
That's the twist. 

686
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,200
But on the other hand, you also 
don't need to become Jewish in 

687
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,320
order to believe in Jesus. 
And, and that's where, that's 

688
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,960
where a lot of this like they're
having the Jewish people who are

689
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,640
persecuting Paul are having a 
major, major problem with him is

690
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,080
because like, how can you be a 
Christian without being Jewish 

691
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,360
first? 
They can't see how that's 

692
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,880
possible because they've tied so
closely the law and the customs 

693
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,240
of, of their culture and, and 
all that kind of stuff. 

694
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,400
They tied that so closely to who
Jesus is, which is true. 

695
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,680
I mean, Jesus is a Jew, right? 
But they've tied it a little bit

696
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,000
too closely to where you have to
have this thing, you have to be 

697
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040
circumcised, you have to, you 
know, all these things. 

698
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,720
And that's just not true. 
We find out all throughout the 

699
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,640
New Testament that it's just 
Jesus. 

700
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,000
You know, it's not Jesus plus 
this holiday Jesus plus this 

701
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,800
custom Jesus. 
It's just him and you can do 

702
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,960
both. 
Of course, there's this rather 

703
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,920
kind of famous group called Jews
for Jesus. 

704
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,760
I believe that they do both 
really well. 

705
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,600
But you know, you don't have to 
become a Jew to become a 

706
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,120
Christian, and you don't have to
lose your Jewishness to become a

707
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,280
Christian either. 
But that's and that's what he's 

708
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,320
saying. 
But that's where he lost them. 

709
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,680
Like they're, they're wrapped in
that piety of no, I yeah, 

710
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,720
you're, you're right. 
Anyone can be a Christian, but 

711
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,680
I'm also Jewish, so I'm a better
Christian, right? 

712
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,400
Like that's, that's, that's what
they're they're wrapped. 

713
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,440
They're they're offended, 
They're offended, right, that 

714
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,000
he's putting the gentiles, the 
non Jews at the same level of 

715
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,840
benefit. 
And I, and I think that's what I

716
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,280
was kind of getting at earlier 
when when I was thinking about, 

717
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,360
well, at least I'm not as bad as
that. 

718
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:18,200
I'm, I'm a better Christian. 
Like we can't do that. 

719
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,640
We can't. 
We can't get wrapped up in that 

720
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,440
and. 
This crowd, I think this is the 

721
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,320
point that Paul realized like, 
OK, not getting through. 

722
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,400
I tried, I tried, I tried these 
tacks. 

723
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,720
I tried to be on the same 
playing field. 

724
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,240
I tried to be relatable and say,
Hey, we're, we're the same, 

725
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,400
right? 
We're we're this is available 

726
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,440
for you. 
It's the same for me. 

727
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,280
And they're still just caught up
in their haughty selves of Nope,

728
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,520
you you should. 
I think they're almost saying 

729
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,840
you should think of yourself 
better than you do because why 

730
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,040
are you diminishing yourself and
your status in this? 

731
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,640
You should come with us and be 
better Christians like. 

732
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,160
Us, right. 
Well, and The thing is like Paul

733
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,280
is touching nerve here and it's 
subtle, but the nerve he's 

734
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,120
touching is I was like you. 
In fact, I was better at being 

735
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,240
like you than you are. 
And I have turned that off. 

736
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,560
I have I've turned that off in 
my life. 

737
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,520
And so they're hearing that as 
oh, so you're better than us now

738
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,680
because you've been able to turn
this thing off and point this 

739
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,680
way. 
Yeah, he's he's he's not doing 

740
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,400
it on purpose, I don't think. 
But he is subtly telling them, 

741
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,480
you know, like I'm, I, I figured
it out and you haven't, you 

742
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,400
know, and nobody likes to hear 
that, you know, and I and I can 

743
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,160
understand that. 
Like nobody likes to be told. 

744
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:44,400
Well, I'm, I'm just a step ahead
of you anytime, anytime, even if

745
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,040
it's true, when people say that 
to us, it hurts our pride a 

746
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,880
little bit. 
And if you're used to being a 

747
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,040
really prideful person because, 
well, I follow the law and I do 

748
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,640
this and I do this, that's 
that's going to dig at you 

749
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,080
pretty hard. 
And it's going to take, again, 

750
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,960
we talked about humility. 
It's going to take a certain 

751
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,960
level of humility to be able to 
accept that. 

752
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,880
And I don't think this crowd had
that. 

753
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,600
No, they didn't. 
And that's honestly what I think

754
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,680
has been such a big part of how 
this church, our church, Emmaus 

755
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,400
Rd. 
Church has grown here. 

756
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,800
We have that house for the 
broken home for the healed 

757
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,480
tagline. 
But that also needs to be 

758
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:25,680
supported by a breath of 
humility that doesn't that 

759
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,280
doesn't include us and them. 
And I think, and I think we hold

760
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,760
to that pretty well. 
I think we keep that humility 

761
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,840
pretty well. 
I think that's how we continue 

762
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,400
to grow, how new families come 
in because they're brought in 

763
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,640
as, as a we as an us together. 
There's not, there's not cliques

764
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,160
or subculture. 
I know, I know there's different

765
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,600
friend groups and things. 
I'm not, I'm not saying there's 

766
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,720
not subgroups within our church 
that anyone gets along with with

767
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,720
anyone. 
But what I am saying is I don't 

768
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:02,360
think we have an, an insider 
mentality of, oh, if you haven't

769
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,240
been here, you don't know and 
you're not, you're not one of 

770
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,320
us. 
I've been here. 

771
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,360
I've been here for 20-30, forty 
years. 

772
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,000
So I'm, I'm better than you and 
I get out of my chair. 

773
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,080
This is, this is, this is my 
spot. 

774
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,320
Like we don't, we don't have 
that. 

775
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,080
And I think it's so important 
for us to stay vigilant in that 

776
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,640
and that, and that's how we 
continue to grow. 

777
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,320
That's how we don't. 
That's how we have an outsider 

778
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,840
focused mentality. 
Not that we don't care about the

779
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,160
insiders, the the people that 
are here, but if we're truly 

780
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,520
growing and knowing Jesus and 
making him known, we have we 

781
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,560
have to do both of those things 
right. 

782
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,640
You know, Eric Sorensen, who's 
on the multiple 1517 podcast, he

783
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,640
was church planning in in 
Manhattan. 

784
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,240
And I believe, if I'm not 
mistaken, that the tagline, and 

785
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,400
I really do believe this is the 
culture that they were trying to

786
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,320
build was they called themselves
the church for quote UN quote 

787
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,320
others. 
So again, taking away that US 

788
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,360
versus the mentality of like, 
OK, we figured it out. 

789
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,240
We've we've we're better than 
you. 

790
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,000
We we want you to join if you 
can get to our level. 

791
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,160
No, like just house for the 
broken, right? 

792
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,280
We have to get rid of that 
other's mentality, you know, 

793
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,520
that that they're different out 
there and that they're somehow 

794
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,560
misguided or wrong or unable to,
you know, get to where we are. 

795
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Absolutely not. 
Because every single one of us, 

796
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,320
even if you grew up in a 
Christian house, you've been the

797
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,920
other. 
You've been the person who 

798
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,440
doubted, you've been the person 
who persecuted you've, you've 

799
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,000
been all these things. 
And you know, if you can 

800
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,600
acknowledge that, if you can 
actually take a real look at 

801
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,960
yourself, you'll gain some 
humility. 

802
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,280
And you'll also see that those 
quote UN quote others out there,

803
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,960
they're no different than us. 
Yeah, yeah. 

804
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,400
And to this point now, now it 
kind of turns on his head and 

805
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,560
they're they're treating Paul 
like the other, right? 

806
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,360
He's they've they've they've had
it. 

807
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,680
Verse 22 and chapter 22 up to 
this word. 

808
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,840
They listened to him. 
Then they raised their voices 

809
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,200
and said away with such a fellow
from the earth, for he should 

810
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,440
not be allowed to live. 
And as they were shouting and 

811
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,360
throwing off their cloaks and 
flinging dust in the air, the 

812
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,440
tribune ordered him to be 
brought into the barracks, 

813
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,000
saying that he should be 
examined by flogging. 

814
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,120
But when they had stretched him 
out for the whips, Paul said to 

815
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,120
the centurion, Who's standing 
by, Is it lawful for you to flog

816
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,560
a man who is a Roman citizen and
uncondemned? 

817
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,160
Paul brings in and. 
This is beautiful and and. 

818
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,960
It's so smart in the. 
Gospel, it's, it's perfect. 

819
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,080
He was born into Roman 
citizenship and the guards would

820
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,160
be committing A heinous crime if
they harmed him before he had a 

821
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,640
formal trial. 
They could do it to an outsider,

822
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,640
they could do it to a non 
citizen, a foreigner. 

823
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,800
What? 
Whatever. 

824
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,000
So the tribune comes back, verse
27 says, tell me, are you a are 

825
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,640
you a Roman citizen? 
He said, yes, I am a citizen by 

826
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,760
birth. 
So those were about to examine 

827
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,120
and withdrew from him 
immediately. 

828
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,560
The Tribune was also afraid for 
he realized that Paul was a 

829
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,840
Roman citizen and he had bound 
him. 

830
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,360
So they've kind of done a no, 
no, But Paul brings this back to

831
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,560
citizenship, brings it back to 
what you the, the passport 

832
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,440
thing, the, the where I've been,
the who's who's stamped where 

833
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,600
I've been. 
But this is where I belong, 

834
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,200
right? 
That this is, this is where I'm 

835
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,400
from. 
And it comes with rights and 

836
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,000
responsibilities, things that 
contribute to humility and 

837
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,280
courage and insurance. 
That's, and, and he brings it 

838
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,520
back. 
I know he's talking about his 

839
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,200
earthly citizenship here, but 
there's, there's parallels to 

840
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,560
heavenly citizenship in this 
too, that he need not be afraid.

841
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,920
It's, it's the same thing, 
right? 

842
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,760
If if our home is in heaven, we 
need not be afraid of of sin 

843
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,040
here on earth. 
We we need not live in fear. 

844
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,760
We can be courageous in the face
of fear or the face of sin. 

845
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,280
So it's it's just a beautiful 
thing that that saves him 

846
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:12,440
obviously from punishment in the
moment, but also points ahead to

847
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,800
the certainty that he has the 
kind of kind of where we ended 

848
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,920
up with not fearing and or, or 
fear is not my future. 

849
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,120
That was also pulling back the 
curtain sort sort of moment 

850
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,120
yesterday. 
You you were as you were getting

851
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,480
to the end yesterday, that 
Brandon Lake song just was 

852
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,800
ringing out in my head and I, I 
texted JT quick and I was just 

853
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,120
like, I need you to throw these 
lyrics up there. 

854
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,160
We're just going to sing. 
We're just going to sing this 

855
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:37,960
one line. 
I'll repeat. 

856
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,080
It's a whole there's 5-6 minutes
song. 

857
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,080
There's a whole bunch of other 
things. 

858
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,320
But that fear is not my future. 
That was just ringing out in my 

859
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,280
head and the band kind of 
followed along quick, but I felt

860
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,920
like off of what what you were 
preaching in the example that 

861
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,240
that Paul was given that we just
had to kind of ring that out and

862
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:56,080
get that set in our minds. 
This citizenship idea though, 

863
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,520
like that's that's at the crux 
of it. 

864
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:04,080
If you belong, if you're made 
new in Christ, fear is not your 

865
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,760
future. 
You need not fear this 

866
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,520
punishment or future punishment.
You are made a citizen, a Co air

867
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,680
with Christ. 
Right. 

868
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,720
Amen, man. 
That's, that is spot on, you 

869
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,520
know, and one of the things that
I didn't have time to get into 

870
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,400
yesterday, but I think it's 
important is, you know, based on

871
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,880
like your civil citizenship, 
that you have all these rights 

872
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,680
and privileges, yet there's also
responsibilities. 

873
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,440
I don't think heavenly 
citizenship is any different. 

874
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,880
You have rights and privileges, 
but there's also 

875
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,680
responsibilities too. 
So I I look this up yesterday. 

876
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,840
And so some of the 
responsibilities of an American 

877
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,120
citizen go like this, support 
and defend the Constitution, 

878
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,960
participate in the democratic 
process, respect and obey 

879
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,160
federal, state and local laws 
and on and on it goes. 

880
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,400
So I mean, like, it did draw out
the question for me. 

881
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,680
And like I said, I didn't have 
the time or the space to answer 

882
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,640
it yesterday, but it's maybe 
worth saying, OK, I know my 

883
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,360
rights and privileges as a 
Christian, as a citizen of 

884
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,760
heaven. 
I have the right to be called a 

885
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,840
son of God. 
I have a right to go home. 

886
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,160
I have all these things. 
But it did draw the question to 

887
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,800
my head like, OK, with my 
citizenship of God's Kingdom, 

888
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,720
what are my current 
responsibilities? 

889
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,000
And I haven't had a ton of time 
to think that through. 

890
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,080
My, my quick answer, I guess, 
and maybe you can add on to 

891
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,680
this, is that like one of my 
responsibilities as a citizen or

892
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,800
representative of God's Kingdom 
is to in fact, appropriately 

893
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,080
represent him and, and follow, 
Well, just like it says, 

894
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,320
respect, obey federal, state and
local laws for our US 

895
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,360
citizenship, man, I need to 
respect and obey God's heavenly 

896
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,920
laws. 
You know, again, so just like 

897
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,240
Paul is saying, I'm not throwing
out the law. 

898
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:00,640
I, I absolutely believe that God
has given us this law, these 

899
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,920
commandments that we might 
follow them and live as he 

900
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,480
designed us to live. 
That's a good thing, right? 

901
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,520
But I don't know, I think it's 
worth it to take the time to 

902
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,520
bask and find joy and find peace
and find freedom in our 

903
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,040
citizenship. 
And then when we've filled 

904
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,240
ourselves up to that level of 
joy and assurance, now, then I 

905
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:26,120
can look and say, OK, what are 
my responsibilities? 

906
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,760
That is as a citizen of heaven. 
And again, I don't fulfill those

907
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,880
responsibilities to earn God's 
favor. 

908
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,640
I fulfill those things because I
already have his favor and I 

909
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,240
want to love him back. 
Yeah. 

910
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,200
OK. 
So anyway, just I probably need 

911
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,520
to spend more time thinking that
through. 

912
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,400
But even I think you can even 
simplify it because I think it 

913
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:51,000
works with earthly citizenship 
to your your rights are things 

914
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,640
for you. 
Your your rights are now things 

915
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:59,240
that are benefit to you. 
Your responsibilities are now 

916
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,800
how you interact with others 
like the the rights are for you,

917
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,320
responsibilities are. 
That's a great way to put. 

918
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,640
That even even I think it works 
both ways, looking at your list 

919
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,560
here of earthly citizenship and 
heavenly citizenship. 

920
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,520
So I mean, if you ask the 
question, what rights are we not

921
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,400
taking advantage of in relation 
to our earthly citizenship? 

922
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,760
I think that's all the self talk
things. 

923
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,680
I, I think that's are we, are we
embracing the, the assurance of 

924
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,960
the gospel? 
Are are we coming to grips with 

925
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,520
the magnitude of the 
forgiveness, forgiveness of God 

926
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,760
for ourselves so that we then 
have the responsibility to 

927
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,720
forgive others for the way 
they've wronged us, right. 

928
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:45,160
Like if, if we're falling short 
of that forgiveness for others, 

929
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,120
have we come to grips with the 
forgiveness that God has for us?

930
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,960
I'm not there are the rights 
there in of that? 

931
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,600
So I think you probably just 
touched an appropriate nerve. 

932
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,480
If I have the right and the 
privilege of being forgiven as a

933
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,120
responsibility, I also have to 
dole that out. 

934
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,400
Wow. 
OK, there, there we are. 

935
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,400
So and we could probably fill in
fill in the list given enough 

936
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,720
time or thought in this the you 
just ask what rights are we not 

937
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,200
taking advantage of and what 
responsibilities are we not 

938
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,800
fulfilling? 
If we simplify it to the rights 

939
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,200
being things for me and 
responsibilities being things 

940
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:29,120
for others, I think those lists 
fill themselves in pretty well. 

941
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,080
So. 
OK, You just kind of you just 

942
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,280
kind of made my head explode. 
So good job. 

943
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,000
That was that's a phenomenal way
to put that. 

944
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,240
I love that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

945
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,360
So, Paul again, so smart. 
So. 

946
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,200
So why and? 
Very clever man. 

947
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,000
Very clever to the point of I 
don't even know I don't even 

948
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,080
know if there was if he was 
saying these things for there to

949
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,160
be a lesson out of them. 
You know what it like he I 

950
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,800
don't, I don't think he was 
gaming the game so much to be 

951
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,400
like, hey, I'm going to put this
scenario out here and at the 

952
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,120
conclusion they're going to get 
this and minds are going to be 

953
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,600
blown. 
Like I think that's largely more

954
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,640
how the Holy Spirit works of, 
Hey, in this example, this is 

955
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,600
what you're to glean out of out 
of the truth of God's word and 

956
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,440
and out of this. 
But in the moment, just such a 

957
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,800
headsy decision to to understand
that his earthly citizenship 

958
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,640
also came with rights and then 
therefore responsibilities that 

959
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,440
the Roman soldiers had to not do
this to him without a trial 

960
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,840
right. 
Well, and I think, you know, one

961
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,200
of the things that I didn't have
time to talk about, but it could

962
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,160
have been an entire point inside
of a sermon, which is, you know,

963
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,080
almost along the lines of how do
we overcome fear? 

964
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,080
It's like, how does Paul have 
this level of poise? 

965
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,400
How does he keep his head about 
him this entire time? 

966
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Because I mean, just think about
the basic scenario. 

967
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,760
You've got a mob that is trying 
to kill you. 

968
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,520
All of a sudden your adrenaline 
is pumped, you're in fight or 

969
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,280
flight mode and you're probably 
not thinking straight. 

970
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,560
But man, through the power of 
the Holy Spirit, Paul keeps his 

971
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,600
head, he keeps his poise. 
And the other thing I didn't I, 

972
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,280
I mentioned it, but I didn't, I 
didn't get to spend any time on 

973
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,640
it was the fact that imagine the
amount of compassion Paul has on

974
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,040
these people in order to try and
give them Jesus one more time 

975
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,040
because he could have looked at 
them and been like, you guys are

976
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,840
jerks. 
I can't believe you're trying to

977
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,560
kill me just because I'm not 
doing things the way you want me

978
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,280
to do them. 
You guys are the worst. 

979
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,280
Forget you. 
Your blood is on your own head. 

980
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,480
But no, he has enough 
compassion, despite their 

981
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,640
murderous attitudes towards him,
to still try to give them Jesus.

982
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:48,080
And I, I, I would hope and I 
could only pray to be that 

983
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,200
compassionate towards people who
want the worst for me. 

984
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,080
I mean, imagine that. 
Imagine somebody wanting the 

985
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,080
absolute worst thing for you. 
They want you dead and instead 

986
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,000
of turning and saying fine be 
that way and and I like the guy 

987
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,440
in the courtroom. 
I hope you burn in hell. 

988
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,200
Nope. 
I have so much compassion for 

989
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,000
you that I still want you to 
meet Jesus. 

990
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,400
That's. 
Incredible. 

991
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,840
To me it's mind blowing, like I 
can't believe. 

992
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,400
It and I know that's crazy maybe
for some of you to hear like 

993
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,520
your pastor saying, but I'm I'm 
not there. 

994
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:25,640
That's still like incredible for
me to hear that sentiment from 

995
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:30,720
Paul or also even the level of 
he's he's truly not. 

996
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,120
He's taking the posture of you 
can have all this world, but 

997
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,720
give me Jesus. 
Like he doesn't care at this 

998
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:41,160
point about reputation, about 
what he, quote UN quote, has to 

999
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,000
lose at this point. 
It's his life for his his 

1000
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,960
literal life. 
But like I'm caught up on 

1001
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,880
things. 
I have whether whether it's 

1002
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,280
whether it's family or or 
household or or or things like 

1003
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,640
there, there are things I'm 
fearful to lose in a, in a given

1004
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,600
on a given day. 
And it's all I consider it all 

1005
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,840
lost for the surpassing worth, 
surpassing worth of, of Jesus 

1006
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,640
Christ, right. 
Like that's, that's Paul's line.

1007
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,760
That's and I'm not there yet. 
Like I'm not, at least not all 

1008
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,200
the time. 
I mean, that's, that's freedom 

1009
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,320
at a level that I think we talk 
about freedom at that level. 

1010
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,240
I think to gain access to 
freedom at that level is just, 

1011
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
yeah, like you said, everything 
else is lost. 

1012
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,640
You know, it's just Jesus. 
Period. 

1013
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,400
Oh man, wow, did we do it? 
That's that's all I got. 

1014
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,720
And that's that's where we are 
and that. 

1015
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:39,440
On to where you left us 
yesterday. 

1016
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,800
Yeah, and that puts us at the 
end of Chapter 22. 

1017
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,560
So there we are. 
On to next week. 

1018
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,280
Thanks for hanging with us and 
hearing a little bit more about 

1019
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,200
Acts Chapter 22. 
We are continuing on into August

1020
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:59,080
with this series in Acts 4 weeks
left. 4/5. 4 weeks. 

1021
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,120
Left Well, September 7th is when
we change over and we start 

1022
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,200
hanging out with Moses for the 
fall. 

1023
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,000
So yeah, if that, by the way, 
that's scary because if you 

1024
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,160
haven't, if you've got kids and 
you haven't started back to 

1025
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,240
school shopping, it's right 
around the corner. 

1026
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,720
I know. 
And I'm looking at the desk 

1027
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,280
across from me who has. 
You have 5 kids, Yeah. 

1028
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Yeah, they all have backpacks. 
I know that. 

1029
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,680
Hey, that's a great start. 
Yeah, that's a great start. 

1030
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,240
Backpacks and lunch boxes, and 
they're water bottles, so 

1031
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,640
they'll probably make it through
the day. 

1032
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,000
Yeah. 
All right. 

1033
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,760
Well, drop us a comment on the 
show or on the Facebook feed for

1034
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,200
the bear versus shark question 
earlier in the show. 

1035
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,520
Let us know if you've got 
thoughts on the heavenly rights 

1036
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,920
and responsibilities that we 
have in Christ that Paul's kind 

1037
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,000
of getting out with this 
citizenship question. 

1038
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,520
And yeah, we'd love to interact 
with you in that way, share the 

1039
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,360
show with someone who who wants 
to hear it, or just encourage 

1040
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,640
someone to give it a listen. 
We love putting this out and 

1041
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,400
just continuing the conversation
with you all from the Sunday 

1042
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,120
morning messages. 
Have a great day guys.