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Welcome to the New Manager 
Podcast. 

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I'm your host, Kim Nichol. 
Hello and welcome. 

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I'm glad you're here and I hope 
you're doing well. 

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I have been noticing that in my 
world, a lot of my clients are 

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starting to make some moves. 
There is a lot of reflection and

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a lot of opportunities happening
in the career area of life. 

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And it's been really exciting to
see what happens when you start 

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to feel more confident and you 
have better communication 

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skills. 
And you have the mindset that 

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allows you to evaluate 
opportunities in a way that you 

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trust your own judgment and 
don't have hesitation or the 

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rumination of all. 
Is this the right choice? 

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What will people think? 
There's something that begins to

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happen when you develop the 
mindset and the communication 

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skills and the sense of inner 
confidence in yourself at work 

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and in your career. 
It's something I've been 

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noticing with my clients, 
especially those that have been 

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working with me for a while. 
And so I wanted to share with 

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you one of the important and key
qualities that I've noticed. 

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So here's how I want to explain 
it. 

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I'm just going to tell it to you
very directly. 

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The thing that every great 
manager and leader does is look 

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for agency. 
What I mean is, you will look 

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for what is within your control,
what it is within your sphere of

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influence. 
You will look for where is your 

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choice in this situation and 
throughout your career. 

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There will be times when it 
seems like you have no choice. 

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For example, you might be 
notified that you need to lay 

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off people on your team, and you
might think I don't have a 

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choice in that. 
I've been told by a higher up 

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leader that I simply have to do 
this and I don't want to, but I 

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have to. 
I feel like I have no choice. 

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What a great manager will do in 
that situation is ask What 

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options do I have for how I want
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Can I make this most supportive?
Most compassionate? 

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Can I communicate this in a 
really humane way and help my 

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team? 
Both the folks that I have to 

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give this news to that will have
to leave. 

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Is there a way I can convey this
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respectful and can help position
them for whatever comes next? 

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And you'll also think, is there 
a way I can communicate and 

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support the team Who will stay? 
Who might start feeling a little

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insecure or who might need to 
now absorb additional work and 

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maybe they'll feel discouraged 
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You will look for what is it 
that you do have choice over 

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where is your agency? 
How can you make decisions even 

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in a situation that has features
that you yourself did not 

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choose? 
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understand this is because when 
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attention to the things outside 
of your control, that can create

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a lot of worry, a lot of 
anxiety. 

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It can create a feeling of being
powerless and not being able to 

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have any effect on what's 
happening, which tends to not 

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feel very good. 
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you start to train your 
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You begin to notice where is my 
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Do I tend to spend more time 
ruminating about the things that

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are outside of my control, Like,
oh, what will people think and 

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what will they do? 
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this, what if that person says 
that we can spin and spend so 

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much time in the wondering and 
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of control? 
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It just creates a lot, a lot of 
stress and is very, very 

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draining. 
So two places with respect to 

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bringing agency, a sense of 
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especially around the idea of 
stress or anxiety. 

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And first of all, stress in and 
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It's actually important and very
useful and it can be energizing 

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and it can call you to grow and 
expand and rise to the 

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challenge. 
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stress that actually keeps 
things interesting and helps us 

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grow. 
Where we can lose sight of it is

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when we feel like we have no 
control over the things that are

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creating a feeling of stress. 
So two different perspectives I 

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want to share with you. 
One is when it comes to stress, 

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I want you to consider your 
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to think about your external 
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So because you are a human, you 
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will respond on a physiological 
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And if your environment is not, 
you know, designed with you 

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specifically in mind, then you 
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environment that tends to evoke 
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This can be everything from the 
lighting that you have or you 

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know in your workspace. 
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sounds around you, whether that 
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It also includes the emotional 
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So as a human you are, whether 
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or not, you are very perceptive 
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sensing the emotional tone of 
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This is a quality that all 
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You might be very attuned to it,
or it might be a little bit more

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in the background, but it's 
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And so, for example, if you are 
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lot of people who are very 
stressed out and very urgent and

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very anxious, then there is a 
high likelihood that you also 

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will mirror that and also be 
feeling highly stressed, highly 

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urgent and very anxious because 
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emotional tone of the people 
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You know what that feels like. 
If you walk into a room and you 

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can just feel the tension, you 
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You might not know why, but you 
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And in the same like a sense, if
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are really relaxed and 
connecting and having a nice 

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time, you can sense that too. 
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little bit more relaxed, not 
because of any specific thing 

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that people have communicated in
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you can perceive the emotional 
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humans that you are around. 
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have an effect on the stress 
that you experience in yourself.

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The other part of environment 
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is your internal environment, 
and that is the thoughts and the

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stories and the inner narrator 
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It's also the emotions that you 
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So for example, if you are doing
something new that you haven't 

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really done for the first time, 
like maybe you're leading your 

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first, you know, big team 
meeting, you might have a voice 

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in your head that is telling you
don't mess this up. 

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Everybody's going to be looking 
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Everybody's going to be 
expecting you to know what 

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you're doing, and you've never 
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And so you might have an 
internal voice that starts to 

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create a little bit more stress,
a little more worry about 

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messing things up or what people
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internal voice. 
That's all the internal 

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environment, the story you're 
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you're having, the internal 
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So we're not trying to eliminate
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and bring more awareness to what
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Because it is having an effect 
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stress or it may create more 
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It may create the right amount 
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anticipation and you feel ready 
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like, yes, let's go, let's do 
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I cannot wait. 
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Or it might be overwhelming and 
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kind of shut down and withdraw, 
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response to what that internal 
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So we want to be aware of that. 
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environment is also your 
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A lot of my clients come to me 
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confidence in a way that's not 
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faking, but in a way that 
actually connects them with and 

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then amplifies something that 
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they can really kind of, like, 
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The sense of the the confidence 
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describes it as elephant energy,
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Like she's she feels the energy 
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elephant and it's grounded and 
it is strong and it can move 

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really in a relaxed way because 
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unquestionable. 
She doesn't even need to explain

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it, She just exudes it. 
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that visualization of that 
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So the internal environment, the
emotions and confidence is a way

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that we feel. 
This is why someone else can 

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give you information, can say 
you know what you should, you 

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should be confident because of 
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But your internal emotional 
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insecure, might still feel 
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Confidence is an emotion. 
It's something that you generate

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and something that you carry and
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That's also why it sometimes 
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you're trying to generate it 
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feedback, your external 
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And you think, wow, like I 
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like I got that promotion, but 
why do I actually not feel 

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confident? 
Why do I feel more uncertain? 

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I thought that when I got that 
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promotion or they got that job, 
I thought I would feel better, 

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but I feel the same, like what 
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Or sometimes if somebody gives 
you feedback and you think I 

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should feel more confident based
on that feedback, but why am I 

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not able to take that in? 
Why am I in my mind saying, 

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well, yeah, but, you know, it 
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but, you know, you don't really 
know how, how challenging it was

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to get there. 
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that. 
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confidence doesn't come from 
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from something that's on the 
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ultimately it's something that 
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the internal experience that you
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So when we're talking about 
looking for agency, you can 

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think of this in terms of both 
your external environment and 

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your internal environment. 
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it's questions like what is 
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do I have that can influence the
environment outside of me to 

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create a more welcoming and to 
facilitate just like a better, a

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better way of being and of 
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Sometimes external environment 
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about it as your calendar like 
when you open up your calendar 

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and you look at it, how do you 
feel and if you feel bad or 

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overwhelmed or discouraged then 
your agency there is going to be

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the question of what's on that 
calendar and why and what can 

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you do to adjust it even if it's
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So for example, I've coached a 
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decision making around their 
calendar and also creating some 

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rules for their themselves that 
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possible but turns out to 
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So you might choose like a no 
meeting Friday or a no meeting 

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Wednesday and just let people 
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going to do more focused work. 
So let's not schedule any 

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meetings on this particular day.
You might also block a chunk of 

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time. 
You might say okay, you know on 

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Mondays, you know do not 
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11 because that's we're going to
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for the week. 
And so I will not be available 

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for meetings at that time. 
You can look at your schedule 

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and your calendar and start to 
make decisions and block chunks 

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of time off for different kinds 
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Look for the agency and this is 
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a mindset shift, from going from
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So I need to say yes to 
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great team player or in order to
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start thinking what is the best 
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And as you rise in your career, 
you are going to need to make 

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more intentional and deliberate 
decisions about that rather than

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feel like you have no choice. 
So that's just one one example 

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of what it looks like when you 
look for agency in the external 

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environment, for internal 
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We can look for agency there 
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And that's where we start to 
listen to and illuminate and 

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then question some of the 
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the fears that are lurking 
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The stories and the thoughts 
that you tell yourself that seem

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really true, but maybe they are 
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Maybe it's just something that 
you've believed for a long time,

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Maybe it's a story that has 
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time to either release or expand
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So, for example, I was chatting 
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said that she's always felt like
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things didn't come easy for her.
She's always felt at a 

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disadvantage and has just had to
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order to do as well as the folks
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Another thing I hear a lot is 
the is the the story of I will 

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it can start to feel pretty 
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disempowering. 
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That's just how it is. 
That's my lot in life. 

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we can number one, start to 
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So for example, maybe the story 
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Because my background or because
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advantages and I have skills and

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resources that they are not 
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Like I actually bring something 
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table. 
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recognize it, but I know exactly
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advantage. 
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Being able to recognize what you
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what you don't, that becomes 
really like a very different way

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of experiencing the your 
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As another example, I was 
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who in the last year or so was 
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different neurodiversity 
diagnosis and he said, Oh my 

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gosh, it's just it made things a
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more now about how my own brain 
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told them up front. 
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like, I'm neurodiverse in these 
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And here's how it's awesome, how
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strengths in the way that my 
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not awesome. 
Here are the ways it can really 

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get in my way. 
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take mental healthcare days and 
I will not do these kinds of 

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things. 
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kind of thing. 
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that's how it works with me. 
And he had so much confidence 

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and so much ease and this 
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of course they're going to want 
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I'm amazing at what I do and I'm
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probably don't have on their 
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particular quality about myself.
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It wasn't a problem. 
It's just, yeah, like, so this 

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internal environment, his 
thoughts and his emotions about 

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how he was seeing himself as he 
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awareness, it then affected the 
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presented. 
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I feel like that's such a great,
such a great example. 

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And sometimes we don't see 
people doing that because we 

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just don't have visibility to 
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possible. 
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really offer today as something 
to think about is you want to 

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look for agency, what's in your 
control, what's in your sphere 

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of influence, Where is your 
choice, you know? 

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And sometimes the place where 
your choices is simply realizing

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I'm the one who's choosing to be
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So if it's not good or if 
there's something I want to 

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change, that's on me because I'm
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I'm choosing to be here for now.
I'm choosing to be here for now.

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Because, right. 
That starts to bring us back to 

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a strategic perspective so that 
you know why you're choosing 

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something, even if it's 
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Also. 
Then look to your environment, 

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Look to the external 
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of yourself and the internal 
environment, the things inside 

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the stories, the thoughts that 
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And I will tell you, sometimes 
it can be tricky to learn how to

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do this, especially when you are
simply moving at the speed of 

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life. 
Because a lot can happen in a 

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day, a lot can happen in a week 
and it can sometimes feel 

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difficult to pause and reflect 
and take a high level view to 

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develop that self-awareness and 
then to create some intentional 

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choices. 
It can be tricky to do so. 

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That's what I like to do with my
clients, whether we're working 

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one-on-one or especially in 
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And I want to invite you to come
work with me. 

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The three things that you'll get
Will, you'll get mindset and 

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strategic thinking, coaching so 
that you become more intentional

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and strategic that gets you out 
of being reactive and feeling 

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like what's going on. 
There's a lot going on. 

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I just need to react and respond
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No, no, no. 
We're going to, we're going to 

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shift that. 
We need to work on mindset. 

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We need to get you to a place of
strategic thinking. 

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So you're being intentional and 
bringing a little more 

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self-awareness. 
That will give you more agency. 

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We're also going to work on your
communication skills, both in 

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terms of specific tactical 
things like feedback, strategy 

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and when and how you do that. 
But also bigger picture, what 

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are you afraid to say? 
Who are you afraid to say it to?

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We need to look at what are your
communication patterns, the ones

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that are serving you and the 
ones that are not, and what does

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it mean and how to begin to 
level up to become more 

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effective in the way that you 
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And 3rd confidence, confidence, 
especially in your decision 

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making, so that when you make a 
decision, you trust yourself. 

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You understand the basis upon 
which you are making a choice. 

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That will mean that you're not 
second guessing yourself. 

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It gets you out of rumination. 
It gets you out of replaying 

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scenarios over and over again, 
or deferring to other people and

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looking for their approval on 
your decisions. 

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We want to really connect your 
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Even when you're doing something
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even when you're feeling a lot 
of pressure, we still want to 

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access and connect to your 
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And as a manager and leader, you
are going to make a lot of 

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decisions. 
So we want to really understand 

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how are you making decisions and
do that in a way that you feel 

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confident about. 
It will make a huge difference 

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in your daytoday work 
experience, in your longterm 

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career path, and also just for 
yourself personally to have the 

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more time and energy where 
you're not kind of spinning in 

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your mind and wondering like, 
ah, what should I do? 

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Is it this is it that we can get
you to a place where you feel 

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more grounded, where you have a 
plan and a process that lets you

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connect to agency and feel a 
little bit more control so that 

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you can have a better experience
and be more effective at work? 

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So that is what I wanted to 
share with you. 

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Come work with me by either 
booking a consult in the show 

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notes. 
That's where we talk about 

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one-on-one coaching or sign up 
for my group program. 

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We kick off in September and 
it'll be a place where you 

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really get focused time with 
other managers. 

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And we're all talking about and 
working on mindset, 

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communication skills and growing
confidence and decision making, 

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being a bit more strategic, 
getting out of that reactive 

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mode and just giving a a more 
clear sense of what you're doing

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and how and why so that you show
up better at work and you have a

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better experience. 
It's also a great opportunity to

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bring the challenges that you're
facing date like day-to-day, 

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because we want to address those
as quickly as possible so that 

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you are equipped for whatever 
else comes up. 

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The better that we can identify 
the issue and then find a path 

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to resolution, the more energy 
and time you'll save and the 

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more effective you become. 
So that's what we're here for. 

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Thank you so much for listening 
and I will talk to you next 

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time. 
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