1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,400 Welcome to the New Manager Podcast. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:16,360 I'm your host, Kim Nicoll. Hello and welcome. 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,280 I'm glad you're here and I hope you're doing well. 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,200 This episode is all about self-care and support. 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,640 It's being released on Christmas Day. 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,560 And so that might be a holiday that you celebrate that has a 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,400 lot of meaning for you, or it might not be. 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,080 It might not be something that has a lot of significance for 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,560 you. Or you might be, you know, 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,280 working for a company or in an organization that is affected by 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,400 that holiday. But maybe for you it doesn't 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,720 carry a lot of weight. That's also totally OK. 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,560 But it really brings to mind for me this idea of how do we bring 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:04,560 an awareness of self-care and support into the workplace and 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,600 specifically the question of what does it mean for me. 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,920 And you're going to answer that question a little bit 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,880 differently over the course of your career. 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,240 You're going to answer that question a little bit 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,320 differently even over the course of the year. 20 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,560 So if you have kids then self-care for you during the 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,080 summer holiday or you know, or even during the winter holiday 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,960 that might look different at that time of year than when the 23 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:37,040 kids are in school. And the you know, the schedule 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,360 of the household is a little bit more structured. 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,200 But the reason I like this question and the importance of 26 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,320 taking time to ask yourself what does self-care mean for me? 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,920 What does that look like? And what about support? 28 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,240 What support do you have? What support do you wish you 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,080 have? What support might be available 30 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,120 if you ask for it? If you have the comfort and 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,560 confidence to ask for support, what might happen then? 32 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,000 I think it's important to remember that these questions 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,720 are part of how we really maintain a connection to our 34 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:25,400 humanity, our humanness, even as we are engaged in our work in 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,080 our careers in the professional world. 36 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,520 And I think this matters. You know, one of the things that 37 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:37,040 really struck me when I was in my legal career was this idea 38 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,280 that, you know, if everyone who worked within our legal system, 39 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:46,520 every lawyer, every law enforcement officer, every 40 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,680 judge, every bailiff, every administrative personnel, every 41 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,680 paralegal. If every single person who 42 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,360 worked within our legal profession, if they had a little 43 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,920 bit more self-care. If they had a little more self 44 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:08,800 compassion. If they felt a bit more 45 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,600 supported and at ease in their life, there would be an effect. 46 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,320 There would be a difference because so much of what happens 47 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:24,560 in our world, not just in the legal profession but so much, 48 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:30,440 depends upon the individual discretion that someone has. 49 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,440 There's so much that rests within the decisions that you 50 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,960 make. And when we are depleted and 51 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,680 exhausted and tired and overextended and kind of 52 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,120 chronically, you know, like like underwater and behind, when we 53 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:54,280 are operating in that way, that has a real effect, both in terms 54 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,760 of your individual and very personal experience of your work 55 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,240 and your life and your career, but also in the way that you're 56 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,960 able to do your work in your life, in your career. 57 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,040 As a kind of a sweet example, I remember a few years ago, I went 58 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,120 to this cafe in San Francisco. It was a really nice cafe. 59 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,760 It was like very fancy. And I went and I sat down and 60 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:27,040 they had all of these different kinds of coffee and they had 61 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,920 very elaborate flavor profiles written out in the menu, you 62 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,040 know, and I sat down and I'm looking at this menu and I'm 63 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,200 trying to decide, you know, which bean I want, like which 64 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,040 kind of coffee I want. And the person who was came to 65 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,600 take my order, you know, started chatting. 66 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,200 I'm like, gosh, there's so many options. 67 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,640 I'm not sure which one to choose. 68 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,760 And you know, we were talking through it a little bit and 69 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,240 finally I said, you know what? Why don't we do this? 70 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:58,360 I, you know, I'm interested. I'm going to have a a coffee and 71 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,680 you know, like choose whichever bean, whichever bean you like 72 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:06,480 and and I'll try and guess which one it is. 73 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Like that would be fun, like could we do that? 74 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,320 And he said sure. So he went back and you know a 75 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,520 few moments later he brings me out a coffee. 76 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,720 And so I sip this coffee and I'm like, oh, this is really nice. 77 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,520 And I look at the menu and I, you know, I'm reading the 78 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,600 options and I'm really savoring this coffee. 79 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,480 And I say, is it this one? And I point to this one, you 80 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,440 know, description on the page and he says, yes, it is good 81 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,320 job. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I 82 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,040 guess the right one that was so much fun. 83 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,840 Like, thank you so much, you know, for, for being willing to 84 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,120 kind of play along with me. He's like, no problem. 85 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,560 He goes away. And I'm, you know, reading a 86 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,000 book and I'm enjoying my coffee and just kind of enjoying this 87 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,200 really nice moment that we had. And a few moments later, he 88 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,040 comes back and he brings me a little cookie on a plate. 89 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,200 And I look at this cookie and he says, well, you know, you won 90 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,000 the game, so there should be a prize. 91 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,000 So here's a cookie. And I was so moved by that 92 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,520 because he didn't have to do that. 93 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:14,520 My guess is that, you know, he had the discretion. 94 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,280 Like he wasn't breaking a rule. It wasn't something that he was 95 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:22,520 going to get in trouble for, but he had the discretion. 96 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:28,680 He could simply decide to, you know, kind of comp me a cookie 97 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:33,640 because he wanted to. And I thought that was so 98 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,880 thoughtful. And it was just this kind of 99 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,400 reminder that as we move through our days, we have so much power 100 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:47,280 to decide what's going to happen next based on how we're feeling, 101 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:50,600 how we're seeing the situation. You know, if this person had 102 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,600 been, you know, exhausted and not slept and just impatient and 103 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,000 frustrated, I know he probably would not have wanted to go 104 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,120 along. He probably would have rolled 105 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,000 his eyes and just say, cannot this lady just pick a coffee? 106 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,920 You know, just tell me what you want and I'll get it for you. 107 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:11,240 But he, he was able to and willing to engage with me in in 108 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:16,280 a different way. And so when we think about our 109 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,560 work life, who you are as a human and your ability to feel 110 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,360 resourced and supported has a really big role to play in that. 111 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,840 And you know, the the goal also is not to maintain a kind of 112 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,400 static, steady equilibrium across all things. 113 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,840 Like think that life in the course of a year or in the 114 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,720 course of many years, there will be highs and lows. 115 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,480 There's a kind of friction and texture to being a human who 116 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,080 works with other humans. And some days they're just going 117 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,480 to be hard. And some days we'll ask more of 118 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,840 you and you'll feel kind of stretched or fatigued. 119 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,320 So the idea is not to kind of eliminate all challenge or 120 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,920 discomfort, but it's more like if you know that there will be 121 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:09,840 challenges along the way, then why not be supported? 122 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,720 And why not, you know, ensure that you're not going to get 123 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,000 totally depleted? This was something that came up 124 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,800 a lot earlier in my work in coaching and training because in 125 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:29,960 the legal profession there are such high rates of burnout and 126 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,440 other kinds of like substance abuse issues that happen in that 127 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,200 profession. Just because folks, you know, 128 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,320 we, we don't always have the the coping, you know, the healthy 129 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,880 coping strategies and professionally, the professional 130 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,320 culture for a long time has been really, how do I want to say 131 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,360 this? It's like alcohol has been a 132 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,080 really present social and professional, you know, 133 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,880 activity. And so it it was always so 134 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,920 interesting to me to realize, you know, people who become 135 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,000 lawyers are very intelligent people. 136 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,200 So it's not an an information or intelligence issue that's 137 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,160 creating all of these really difficult outcomes. 138 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,000 There's something here where collectively, like as a as a 139 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,080 profession, we are deprioritizing and not valuing 140 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,440 some aspect of self-care. Like there's something happening 141 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,040 in the industry and in the environment and in all of these 142 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,760 practices. And I think it would make a real 143 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:38,560 difference if we introduced a bit more of the self-care and 144 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:41,240 support conversation. So this is something that has 145 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,120 been, you know, very present in my work and in my life, you 146 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,320 know, for over a decade now. And so for today, you know, what 147 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:57,800 I want to invite you to consider is that you will support others 148 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,920 better when you have support too. 149 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,840 And the place to start with this is by simply noticing what 150 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:12,000 support do you have almost make it like a game. 151 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Can you identify 10 different ways that you are supported, 152 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,560 that you have support and you can be as literal as there is 153 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:28,000 ground beneath my feet? Like I am standing here and 154 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,680 there is literally an entire planet beneath my feet 155 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:36,760 supporting me. You can think of it as even, you 156 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,520 know, like the chair, if you maybe you're sitting in a chair. 157 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,080 I'm sitting in a chair. I have support right now because 158 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,880 I am sitting all of my weight into this chair and it is fully 159 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,600 receiving and supporting me. Start looking for support. 160 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,520 You can also think about invisible kinds of support. 161 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,400 So you know, definitely, like you can think about the air that 162 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,000 you're breathing. That's like an invisible form of 163 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,520 support that you have available to you. 164 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:10,720 But you can also think about the other people who work behind the 165 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:16,200 scenes to help you, You know, live and work and do all the 166 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,560 things that you do, like thinking about what are the 167 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,840 invisible kinds of support. I know it's there, but I don't 168 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,240 necessarily see it. This also might include whatever 169 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:32,160 dimension of spirituality that you have in your own self, a 170 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,040 sense of unseen support, whether it's a sense of your ancestors. 171 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,080 This feeling that you have, ancestors that have your back, 172 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,320 that are cheering you on, that are loving you unconditionally, 173 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,880 that are, you know, rooting for you from the other side like 174 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,920 that might be part of your sense of a support team. 175 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Or it might be, you know, some something else, some other 176 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,160 quality or some other entity that might be the kind of 177 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,560 support that you have. You can also look to 178 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:07,240 relationships in your life so the people that you trust, the 179 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,480 people that you really know and feel have your back, who care 180 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,800 about you, who want to see you do well. 181 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,640 This might be family and friends. 182 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,920 It might be colleagues. It could be a mentor. 183 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,600 It could even be your neighbor. Sometimes we have really 184 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,080 beautiful relationships with our neighbors, right? 185 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:32,000 And I will say you can even include pets and your animal 186 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,680 friends too. You can have relationships with 187 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:38,400 pets that really enhance your life, that let you feel more 188 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,520 supported. It might be nature in general. 189 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,920 Maybe for you when you are at the ocean, or when you are in a 190 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,000 forest, or when you are simply in a garden. 191 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Maybe you feel a kind of support from the natural world, a sense 192 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,280 of feeling connected, a part of something more than just you as 193 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,080 an individual. So practice noticing all of the 194 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,080 ways that you currently right now are supported. 195 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:19,640 Notice what that is and practice asking for even more support. 196 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,560 This is something I often help my clients with because they're 197 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:28,400 so self reliant and sometimes they've just had to be for a 198 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,040 long time. And so the idea of asking for 199 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,880 support feels really uncomfortable. 200 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,560 Or there's sometimes there's a fear of if I ask for something, 201 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,320 will that make me vulnerable in a bad way, will it make me 202 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,480 appear greedy or ungrateful in a bad way? 203 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,480 And I really want to normalize. If it feels uncomfortable, 204 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,120 that's OK. It probably just means you 205 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,000 haven't had a lot of practice, and you probably have had a life 206 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,440 experience where you were not encouraged to ask for more 207 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,480 support, or where you simply observed the grown-ups around 208 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,000 you and you might not have trusted them to be able to 209 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,880 deliver more support. So for whatever reason, you just 210 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,000 haven't had a lot of practice. And so we want to start opening 211 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,520 the possibility, right, to be thinking of what? 212 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,840 If it's possible that more support is available if only you 213 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,280 ask for it. And maybe it's something that 214 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,440 you need to ask for more than once, or you need to ask for in 215 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,840 a few different ways, but feeling comfortable, asking for 216 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,800 more support rather than feeling guarded or kind of worried about 217 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,000 it. So you might be asking for a 218 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,760 specific resource. You might be asking for support 219 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,760 and help with a task you might be delegating, you know, to get 220 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,960 more support. You might be asking for more 221 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,440 time. Can we change this timeline? 222 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Sometimes asking for support is more about having someone to 223 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,400 listen to you and knowing that they are not going to judge you 224 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,160 and they are not going to give you unsolicited advice. 225 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,280 And I really like to say, you know, have a therapist, have a 226 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:16,120 counselor because you want one. Don't wait until you need one, 227 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,280 right? Like, don't wait until things 228 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,080 are really, really bad. Like, have one because they're 229 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,960 awesome, you know? And let yourself enjoy that 230 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,880 support. Same with coaching. 231 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,120 You know, have a coach because you want one. 232 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,280 Don't wait until you feel like you're kind of painted in a 233 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,720 corner and everything is so overwhelming and out of control 234 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,240 and you're just like, OK, I really need one now. 235 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,720 No, just decide like I want to coach because I want to have 236 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,920 more support in my leadership development, in the questions I 237 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,280 have as a manager. I want more support and 238 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,040 understanding, you know, my own strengths and potentials, better 239 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,520 how to work with other kinds of humans and want more perspective 240 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,400 on my work and my life and what's next and how that goes 241 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,400 together. Like have a coach. 242 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Coaches are great, so have support, practice, asking for 243 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,040 it. It's really fun, you know, for 244 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,000 me, because what I've noticed is that as my clients get more 245 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,840 comfortable asking for things, they get more yeses to their 246 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,960 requests, both because they're making requests more frequently 247 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,960 and so they are able to get more yeses because they make more 248 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,520 requests. But they also become more 249 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,080 skillful at it. It's a communication skill. 250 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Being able to ask for something, being able to request support 251 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,040 and to receive it. Those are all skills, so you can 252 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,760 get better at them as you go. And when you do it, think about 253 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,800 it early and often is how you'll get better at it faster. 254 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,080 If you wait until things are really at a breaking point, 255 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,120 that's a really hard time to start practicing the skill of 256 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,960 asking for support. That's usually more when we get 257 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,280 really impatient and we lash out and we think, you know, can't 258 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,200 you tell I'm totally underwater here? 259 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,280 Rather than waiting for things to get that heavy and that 260 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,560 difficult, think earlier and more frequently about what is 261 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,760 the support you might want, what might be available, how might 262 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,400 you be able to ask for it And room know. 263 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:34,520 Be as generous in asking for and receiving support as you are 264 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,560 generous in your willingness to give it. 265 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,960 So that is what I wanted to share with you today. 266 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:49,680 I hope that whatever your day and your week is like that you 267 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,480 feel supported. That you feel connected to 268 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,200 people and forces that really want for your well-being, that 269 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,800 want to see you do well. And realizing for yourself that 270 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,640 when there's a lot that is on you, when you are supporting a 271 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,840 lot of others, you will do that better. 272 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,920 When you include yourself, yourself care and you're having 273 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,200 support as a human. So that is what I wanted to 274 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,560 share with you. Thank you so much for listening 275 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,840 and if you want to work with me to go deeper on this, if you 276 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,320 want to enjoy your work more, your life more, if you are 277 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,600 looking to grow and develop your skills and perspective as a 278 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,360 leader and a manager, then come work with me. 279 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,120 You can work with me one-on-one or I have a group program coming 280 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:50,200 up in February. So you will find information 281 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,840 about both of those on my website, kimnickel.com or go 282 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,520 into the show notes. Get on the wait list for the 283 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,240 group program or go to my website and you'll be able to 284 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,080 book a consultation so we can talk more about what's going on 285 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,160 and how I can help you. Thanks so much for listening. 286 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:16,520 I will talk to you next time. When you're more effective at 287 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,400 work, you're happier in your life. 288 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,880 And when you're happier in your life, you're more effective at 289 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,560 work. I can help. 290 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,160 Go to my website, kimnickel.com and sign up for a coaching 291 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,560 consult. It can get better.