1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,600 Welcome to the new manager podcast. 2 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:16,600 I'm your host, Kim nickel. Hello and welcome. 3 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:20,800 I'm glad you're here, and I hope you're doing well today. 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,200 I wanted to start by sharing a celebration, one of my clients 5 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:28,200 and I were talking and I asked her, you know, as you reflect 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,900 back over the six months that we've worked together, what have 7 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:36,700 you learned what stands out? And she thought about it and she 8 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:41,200 said I learned things don't always have to be so hard. 9 00:00:41,900 --> 00:00:46,000 I felt less frantic this year, but looking back, I'm surprised 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,000 at all the things I was able to accomplish and I loved that and 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,000 I wanted to share that with you because it ties into my topic 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:02,900 for today, which is emotions at work and to approach this topic, 13 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:05,000 I also want to back up a little bit. 14 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,500 I don't often talk directly about mindfulness on this 15 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:15,600 podcast but it is The foundation of everything I do in my work. 16 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:19,800 And my mindfulness, I simply mean a quality of attention 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,600 where your attention is in the present moment with curiosity 18 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:30,400 and kindness. It really sits beneath my entire 19 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,700 Philosophy for this work. Why? 20 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:37,200 It's important what makes it effective, and it's a 21 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,200 foundational tool that you can use. 22 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:46,100 In your career, honestly, at any stage, but I feel especially 23 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:51,100 when you start Rising into a manager role, that's when it 24 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:56,800 becomes even more important and even more useful, especially 25 00:01:56,900 --> 00:02:03,700 with respect to emotions. So emotions at work, so many of 26 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:08,600 the clients that I work with, they come to me for questions 27 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,400 that are having about being new managers at work. 28 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Emotion shows up a lot specifically. 29 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,200 I mean I hear things like I want to feel more confident. 30 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:21,200 I feel a lot of imposter syndrome. 31 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,800 I want to motivate my team. How do I get my team to feel 32 00:02:25,900 --> 00:02:30,700 motivated and engaged? I inherited a team that is 33 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:35,400 grieving how do I support my team with all of the grief and 34 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,900 the emotion that they're feeling. 35 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,700 I feel overwhelmed, I feel like I need to do it all myself. 36 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:46,900 I feel anxious about whether or not I'm doing a good job. 37 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,000 So this idea of emotions shows up number one because you're a 38 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,700 human. So congratulations, 39 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:58,100 congratulations. Being a human means that you win 40 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:04,100 an access pass to all of the emotions that are available to 41 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:08,800 humans which is a wide range and I think we sometimes simply 42 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:15,900 Overlook that what is driving our decisions or our challenges 43 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:20,300 or you know the reason we hold ourselves back and kind of Spin 44 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:24,500 and Self Doubt or uncertainty is because there's this significant 45 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:29,300 emotional component that we often simply haven't Not really 46 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:32,900 been prepared or equipped to handle. 47 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:37,500 We all, you know, we all kind of wing it and we figure out what 48 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:40,700 works for us. But I find that there comes a 49 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:45,700 time when it actually is really helpful to look at emotions 50 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:48,600 specifically. The other interesting thing is 51 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,000 that when you reflect on the most satisfying and rewarding 52 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,900 parts of work, those are going to be emotions to like feeling 53 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:01,800 inspired. Are feeling valued feeling like 54 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,900 you work with great people and it feels meaningful and fun 55 00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:09,600 feeling respected for who you are. 56 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,600 And for what you contribute feeling appreciated. 57 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:18,100 For all that you do feeling proud of the work that you and 58 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:21,300 your team, or your organization are doing in the world. 59 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,100 I find like, when we think about the most satisfying parts of 60 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:30,200 curvier, those are Motion things. 61 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,700 So emotions become really important and as a manager, you 62 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:39,400 now have to deal, not just with your own emotions, but you're 63 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:45,900 now Reckoning with the emotions of your team in a new way and 64 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:50,500 the emotions of the people above you, in the organization. 65 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:57,800 So sometimes what happens is As We rise in our career and we get 66 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,900 a little bit Went into that middle range, right? 67 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:03,500 Where you're not the topmost person, but you're no longer the 68 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:07,400 bottommost person, your kind of somewhere in the middle becoming 69 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,200 aware of the different, like, emotional Landscapes of 70 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,500 organization. You're in, can be sometimes a 71 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:17,300 bit confusing. It. 72 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:22,100 Can sometimes be a bit challenging kind of like, you 73 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:25,500 know, you're now seeing this whole dimension of human 74 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:28,600 interaction and relationship that you didn't. 75 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:33,900 Fully appreciate was there. So where do we begin with 76 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:37,800 emotions and how to deal with them? 77 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:41,200 The first thing I want to share, is this idea that emotion 78 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:47,200 presents as physical sensation, which means that when we're 79 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,900 talking about a motion, we're talking about, what is the 80 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:53,600 physical sensation you're experiencing in the body as an 81 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,900 initial way of identifying it? So, if I asked you, you know, Do 82 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:00,900 you feel right now? And you said, I feel pretty 83 00:06:00,900 --> 00:06:03,100 stressed. I'd say, okay. 84 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,000 So what does that feel like in your body? 85 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,200 How do you identify that as stress? 86 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,500 And you might say, well, you know, my eyebrows are kind of 87 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:15,900 scrunched up and I can feel like my shoulders are kind of tense. 88 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:19,200 You might say, well, I know I'm stressed because actually, I 89 00:06:19,207 --> 00:06:23,800 haven't been sleeping very well. So my sleep is really poor and I 90 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,700 wake up, I don't feel rested, you know, we're interested in 91 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:30,500 what is the physical All expression, the physical 92 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:34,600 experience and the same for really enjoyable emotions, 93 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,900 right? So if I said how are you doing? 94 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:40,300 And you said I'm doing great actually feel really happy 95 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,200 today. Say Okay interesting, great tell 96 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:49,500 me what does happy feel like in your physical body and you 97 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,800 reflect and pause and say well you know it kind of feels like 98 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,500 this lifting kind of opening feeling maybe across the heart. 99 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,100 You might feel it in your face, maybe your face feels kind of 100 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:06,800 relaxed, maybe your jaw and your neck feel kind of relaxed. 101 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:10,900 And if you're listening and you're wondering my goodness, 102 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:14,600 what is she talking about? It's okay. 103 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,600 I get that a lot. Well, actually, I get that 104 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:22,400 50/50, I would say half of my clients have a real easy time. 105 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,900 With this concept makes intuitive sense for them, but 106 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:30,800 also maybe half of my clients feel Less aware of their 107 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,700 emotions as physical sensation, and that's when we actually can 108 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:37,400 have some fun. It's like okay. 109 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,900 Number one, if you think in terms of physical sensation. 110 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,000 First just notice what, if any physical Sensations are present 111 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,800 for you, right now, like are your hands cold, are you holding 112 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,900 a cup, is the cup heavy? Is it smooth? 113 00:07:55,300 --> 00:08:00,400 Begin to tune into the physical? Stations because it can help 114 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,400 give you some information about the emotions that you are 115 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,300 experiencing now, the reason why it becomes helpful to think of 116 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:15,300 emotion as physical sensation is it just gives us another way to 117 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:21,400 Grapple with it and we want to become aware of the difference 118 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,500 between the emotion. We're experiencing the story 119 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:31,800 that we have around that emotion And what are the facts of the 120 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,299 situation they get very blurry when we're simply living, you 121 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:40,600 know, Full Speed Ahead that when we pause and say, okay? 122 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:45,300 So right now there's some let's call it, you know, some impostor 123 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:49,800 syndrome going on, you've gotten promoted to this new role and 124 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,000 your kind of questioning yourself. 125 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,300 If you can really pull this off and you're not really sure 126 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:57,400 because it's kind of a big job and you've never done this 127 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,300 before. And maybe your boss really 128 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:04,300 believes in you and you're afraid to disappoint them or 129 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:08,300 you're afraid, you'll let your team down because you think I've 130 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:14,400 never done this before. Like I've actually never done 131 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,000 this before so I don't, I don't know if I'm afraid of letting 132 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,300 people down, right? So you've got some impostor 133 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:22,000 syndrome. You've got some self-doubt in a 134 00:09:22,008 --> 00:09:26,000 fear disappointment swirling in there, so we can start to say, 135 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,400 okay well, what are the facts of the situation? 136 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:31,100 Ocean. And that can include everything 137 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:35,500 from one where you promoted, what are your responsibilities, 138 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:37,700 how many people are on your team? 139 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:42,200 You know, what are what are the tasks that you're feeling most 140 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,400 concerned about, and why, like, we can start to get into the 141 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,000 facty part of it? And then we can look at the 142 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,200 story part. Okay. 143 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,200 So what's the story you're telling yourself about all of 144 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,100 these things and the story might be. 145 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:58,400 Well, there's a lot more at stake now. 146 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,800 It's not just me. I'm making decisions for it's 147 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,600 for my whole team. There's a lot riding on this. 148 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,600 You might tell the story of well, now I'm so visible. 149 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,100 Everyone is looking to me for guidance or answers and I feel 150 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:19,600 even more pressure about making a mistake so we can look at you 151 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,100 know what is the story that you're telling yourself about 152 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:25,200 the facts and about the situation? 153 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:28,300 And that might be a story about yourself and who you are. 154 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:33,000 Our it might even be a story of, you know, people like me don't 155 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,900 get big jobs. Like this are people like me 156 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:41,000 don't get the benefit of the doubt or, you know, people in my 157 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,800 family have always struggled with X y&z. 158 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:49,900 This story is the meaning that you're giving the particular 159 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:53,700 situation and it can be multi-layered which is really 160 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:58,000 interesting when we start to unpeel the layers to get more 161 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,100 clearly. Got it. 162 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:03,200 So there's the story of it and then there's the emotion and 163 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:06,800 emotions, very rarely, come alone. 164 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,900 Meaning, every emotion has a set of friends and if you have one, 165 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:16,800 you probably have others. So you might feel a swirl of 166 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,700 emotion, it might be a combination of enthusiastic and 167 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:25,000 scared. It might be a combination of, 168 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:30,400 you know, feeling intimidated and Feeling eager, it might be a 169 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:36,700 combination of anxiety. Fear pressure stress, some shame 170 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:41,400 flares and you know, remembering a time from childhood when you 171 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,400 felt really unsupported and kind of out on your own to do a big 172 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,100 hard thing, like it can all be a swirl. 173 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:53,600 And so we want to disentangle some of those so we can get a 174 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,200 clearer look at what are these emotions and play. 175 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:02,000 And this is also why I, as a manager, as you're learning to 176 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,000 become aware of the emotional landscape of yourself, your 177 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,600 team, the people that you work with, like, you don't have to be 178 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,400 able to read all the emotions. You simply want to be aware that 179 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,200 it is in play that every human has an emotional landscape and 180 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,600 then as humans work together, like, emotions are always a part 181 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,000 of the picture, whether it's Inning on the surface where you 182 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,100 can really see it clearly or whether it's underneath. 183 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,400 And, for example, one of the ways, I see, emotions underneath 184 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,900 the surface, playing out in our day-to-day work, is in 185 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:50,400 avoidance, when we are avoiding something, you can bet, it's 186 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,900 because there's an emotional driver behind that avoidance, 187 00:12:56,500 --> 00:13:01,100 it's often discomfort. Or fear of a confrontation or 188 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:04,800 fear of uncertainty, or fear of the unknown. 189 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,200 I don't want to have this conversation because I'm afraid 190 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,400 of what this person will say. I don't want to have this 191 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,900 conversation because I am afraid of the emotions. 192 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:19,000 This person will have. When I tell them, you know, X, Y 193 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,400 and Z. So when we're in a voidance, you 194 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,500 know, when you know, there's something you have to do or you 195 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:28,300 need to do, but you stay in a void. 196 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,600 Dance or you stay in indecision, there's a good chance it's 197 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,500 because there's some emotion underneath that is driving that 198 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:39,700 behavior. And when you get more 199 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:44,700 understanding of what is that emotion, what is the story that 200 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:48,900 that emotion is about? How does that relate to what I 201 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:53,700 am experiencing or perceiving or the fact Enos of the situation 202 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,800 everything becomes easier. And so You know, I had mentioned 203 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,500 this client, the beginning of that our show today and she 204 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:05,400 realized, oh, I'm surprised at all. 205 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,500 The things I was able to accomplish even though I was 206 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:11,900 less frantic. And one of the stories she had 207 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:16,700 was that in her career, you have to be frantic and anxious in 208 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:21,300 order to be successful, that was what she had seen modeled by 209 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:24,700 others in her profession, was that ambition? 210 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,300 Meant anxiety, if you're going to be ambitious. 211 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,300 Vicious. You have to be anxious and 212 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:34,300 frenetic. She just never seen someone who 213 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:39,900 could be kind of calm and relaxed and easeful and 214 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:44,200 successful at the same time and so, her fear was if I let go of 215 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,400 my anxiety, will I lose my drive for ambition? 216 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,800 Well, I not, you know, be as active in the work that I do. 217 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,300 So we Unwound. The story. 218 00:14:56,300 --> 00:15:00,600 Looked at the facts, looked at the Chen and found another way 219 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,300 to kind of challenge. Her her subconscious, underlying 220 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:09,700 assumption around the role of that anxiety in her career. 221 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:13,900 And it turns out in case you're wondering, you actually do not 222 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:18,800 need anxiety. In order to motivate yourself to 223 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,600 be ambitious. There are so many other ways you 224 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,100 can drive ambition. And one of my favorites to share 225 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:30,500 with you is the sense of legacy. The sense of purpose, the sense 226 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:33,400 that hey, you know what, you're here for a limited amount of 227 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,600 time on the planet. Why don't we use this time to 228 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,500 contribute something? Good to those who are coming 229 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:44,900 after whether that's the new people coming into your career, 230 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:48,700 whether that's your sense of Legacy for your family, or for 231 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:52,600 your community, or for your field of Industry. 232 00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:57,000 I find that when we think in that, in that turn the sense of. 233 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,700 Hey, you know what? As long as I'm here, let's make 234 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:04,900 it good. That is such an energizing place 235 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,800 to motivate yourself without it being driven by like the fear 236 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,200 and the stress and then you know, the energy just feels 237 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,700 different, it feels easier to move forward. 238 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:22,500 We can get out of our own way and still have some time to 239 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:28,400 relax and enjoy and celebrate. So emotions at work, this is A 240 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,300 topic, I want to revisit again in the future because there are 241 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:36,100 so many different angles to it and to how it shows up in the 242 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,800 workplace. But for today, I simply want to 243 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:44,200 call your attention to how emotions, show up at work, 244 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:48,900 especially for new managers in terms of the self-doubt, the 245 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:53,800 overwhelm, the questioning, how you can best support your team, 246 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,100 and help them feel motivated as well as realizing emotions. 247 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:05,500 Are also part of the best part of work that feeling satisfied, 248 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:11,200 accomplished respected valued connected. 249 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:15,599 Like it's one of the things that is the best part of humans 250 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,200 working together is the emotional part. 251 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,000 So as you go forward into your week, it might be fun to Simply 252 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:30,200 notice what are the most prominent And emotions that you 253 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,100 experience yourself and what are the most prominent, emotions 254 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:42,600 that you notice or perceive in the humans around you, and it's 255 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,400 just a practice of noticing of Simply becoming aware so that we 256 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,400 can then become curious and start to learn more. 257 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,200 But step one is to Simply acknowledge and notice. 258 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:58,200 What emotions are present. Here, we practice that with 259 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:04,600 Ourselves first, because you have direct access to the 260 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,900 emotions. You are experiencing, whether 261 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:10,200 you realize it or not, and then we can start to bring that 262 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:16,600 awareness to understanding and relating with others in some new 263 00:18:16,700 --> 00:18:19,900 and really effective ways. So I look forward to talking 264 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:22,000 with you more. This is what I've got for you 265 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 today. And thank you for listening. 266 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:28,900 I'll talk to you next time. Oh, and wait. 267 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:32,600 One last thought. Before I sign off, I am taking 268 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,800 new clients. So, if you want to work with me 269 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,800 one-on-one, we can do this work on a deeper more personal level. 270 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,400 Go into the show notes, you'll find the link to book a consult 271 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,700 directly on my calendar. And we can also talk about how 272 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,300 to present this as a Learning and Development request. 273 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,500 So that if your company has budget, Your professional 274 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:02,100 learning and growth. They might be able to sponsor 275 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,400 some or all of your work with me. 276 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,500 All right? That's it today. 277 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:14,700 I'll talk to you next time. Hey before you go if you like 278 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:20,100 this podcast leave a review. Tell me why you listen and what 279 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:22,300 has helped you? 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