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Welcome to the new manager 
podcast. 

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I'm your host, Kim nickel. 
Hello and welcome. 

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I'm glad you're here and I hope 
you're doing well. 

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Today on this episode, I'll be 
talking more about your work 

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environment and how that affects
you as a manager and as a human.

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And one of the reasons I was 
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I have downstairs neighbors who 
are professional musicians and 

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there is a person who plays as 
the flute and a person who plays

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I think the viola or the violin 
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practicing. 
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very quietly and it's so nice. 
I feel really fortunate, that I 

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have neighbors like that because
they're presents them just doing

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what they do influences my 
environment and because I work 

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from home, it's not just my 
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also my work environment. 
Mint and it reminds me of how 

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much our environment can affect 
us and if you are working in an 

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environment, that is not very 
conducive to you feeling at is 

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whether it because of the amount
of sound that happens in your 

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environment or the kind of 
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I know that it both as my 
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But also as my clients are very 
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Of to light. 
So if it's a very bright harsh, 

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kind of cold light that is very 
draining for them. 

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If it's a softer warm light 
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be in. 
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there are so many very subtle 
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environment, that will affect 
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work environment and to the 
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the way that we lead and I Have 
been talking on this podcast, a 

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couple of times recently about 
self-advocacy and self-reliance 

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and how self-reliance is great. 
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if it prevents you from speaking
up and asking for a resource or 

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an accommodation or just 
something that might be 

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available to you, but you never 
reach out for it because you're 

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so locked into this belief of 
Stream self-reliance, that has 

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served you in the past and one 
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a shout-out. 
She follows me on LinkedIn and 

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she put a comment on one of my 
posts on LinkedIn. 

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And she said, your podcasts have
been super helpful. 

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I waited over a year to ask for 
a chair. 

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I'm over 6 feet tall and I 
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didn't cut off my circulation. 
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burdensome. 
That I realized not asking 

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affected my productivity after I
asked, it didn't seem like a big

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deal to them at all. 
They found me a temporary fix 

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and ordered a chair. 
I love this because this is what

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I'm talking about. 
There are so many small things 

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when I'm putting small in air 
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it might seem like a small 
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It's a chair. 
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just endure. 
It's not a big deal. 

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I don't want. 
It to be burdensome or I don't 

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want to but I don't want to 
bother people, but this is your 

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physical body. 
This is the body that you that 

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you live in and the body that 
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are doing work. 
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consider, what is the effect on 
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that you're able to do your 
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When we Overlook that, we really
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It ripples out to everyone you 
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physical body is cared for and 
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literally with appropriate, 
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That it makes everything easier 
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you're a person who grew up and 
kind of absorbed this message of

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it's not okay to ask for things.
Sometimes there's just nothing 

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available for you. 
You you just have to make do 

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with what you have. 
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valuable survival strategy and A
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But it's important to learn how 
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as you grow in your career 
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different kinds of decisions and
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ways to approach challenges, not
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discomfort or the problem. 
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So today we're talking about 
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environment, the other reason 
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around communication and the 
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communicating either giving 
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direct with someone, there's 
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person will respond. 
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control what their reaction is 
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either be highly uncomfortable 
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there could be adverse 
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person or I don't want them to 
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me and this can come up whether 
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The conversation with is someone
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So someone on your team or 
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hold back from speaking up 
because there is a real power 

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differential and it might be 
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that whenever you are in, let's 
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whether it is or it simply feels
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Someone's displeasure or 
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worried about what they'll think
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I had so many conversations with
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helping them think beyond what 
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I don't want to have a 
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Being a troublemaker or someone 
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It's so important that I be seen
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goes along. 
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is such a disservice to you. 
When it really will hold you 

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back and not just in the sense 
of your career growth but in the

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sense of your Humanity, in this 
sense of really, what is good 

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for your well-being, Being and 
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long term. 
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communication and thinking about
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often we're doing the 
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If I say this, they'll probably 
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and that's why we can have 
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and over and over again. 
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avoidance, we don't have that 
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control for how we think they're
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Now, this is why being aware of 
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what is not in your control 
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you unhooked from that. 
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And there are a couple things I 
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that sense. 
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environment that you're working 
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and I mean that in terms of 
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the culture, the culture of your
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culture of your particular like 
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on the size of your 
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colleagues can really create 
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that can either be very 
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like something you have to 
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move through in spite of. 
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with a client. 
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Maybe a couple of weeks ago, and
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situation at work and as we were
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of the things she realized is 
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this way. 
Look at the environment that I'm

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working in and everyone is you 
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way. 
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I think I see this in a whole 
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explain the experience I'm 
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self-doubt and self-questioning 
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So do look at the environment 
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on how you feel able to make 
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individual piece. 
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yourself, being able to identify
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patterns understanding, how they
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is when we look at you, as the 
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point Towards, where is your 
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about power. 
So agency is about your capacity

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to take action and I think of 
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because there may be times where
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The capacity that you have to 
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another day, you're super well 
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recognized. 
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capacity to take action. 
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your sense of agency and your 
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So, with some folks that you 
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Your Capacity to take action is 
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feel intimidated by them, they 
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your insecurities and defense 
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this reduced capacity. 
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Theory, you know, some days, 
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days you've got to or maybe one.
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spoon kind of day, Then your 
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to be a little bit less than if 
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capacity to take action 
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I think of as the bigger picture
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of your feeling of power over 
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government, in a sense of, do 
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decisions? 
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things that I have had the 
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have transitioned into my own 
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tremendous autonomy over my 
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When I was working in an 
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less autonomy, much less power 
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people could request meetings 
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with people that maybe I, you 
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not of my choosing whereas now 
in the way that I work, I have 

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complete autonomy, every person 
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choosing whether it's a client 
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doing a webinar or, you know, 
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learning environment. 
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what I'm doing. 
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freedom to decide over one's 
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that big picture when there's 
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solve for in the moment. 
So for example, perhaps the work

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environment has changed over the
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this particular organization, 
things felt really good and you 

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were growing, and you really 
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And you felt very Satisfied. 
By the way, you were treated and

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compensated, and maybe now it's 
a couple of years and now you're

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feeling like you're started to 
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feeling like, it's not really a 
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It's happened. 
Gradually, you've been growing 

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gradually, and your desires and 
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Also, look different. 
Now than maybe, they did five 

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years ago, so you're starting to
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are. 
It doesn't really feel like Calf

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it and because it doesn't feel 
like a fit, you might feel like 

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you have to work harder in order
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Have you ever done that? 
Have you ever stayed in a 

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relationship? 
That wasn't really good for you 

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anymore, but you thought I have 
to make this work, I can't leave

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until I make this work and so 
you double down and reinvested 

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and you stayed longer and put 
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G into something that wasn't a 
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Imagine if you had a pair of 
shoes and you wore them and they

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seem to fit pretty well. 
But after a while they started 

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to pinch and you thought, oh I 
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I need to try harder even though
you are outgrowing them, and all

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it did. 
When you stayed was it made you 

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feel more pain and discomfort 
and maybe even made you feel 

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like a failure? 
Is there something wrong with 

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me? 
That I can't make this work? 

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Not a fit is not a problem. 
It's simply not a fit and 

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sometimes that discomfort is a 
sign to start asking yourself, 

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is it time to look for something
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Not because you are failing but 
because you are outgrowing, the 

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place that you've been. 
I think this one can be so hard 

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the people you work with or to 
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and it can be hard to think 
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working. 
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I need to try harder. 
I want to point you back to your

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autonomy, the bigger picture. 
Why are you choosing this? 

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Why are you still choosing this?
This is this still what you want

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for myself many years ago, I had
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gosh, I feel like I've outgrown 
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I feel like I've outgrown this 
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I'm the one who wakes up every 
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this job and into this role that
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was a sense of momentum. 
There was a sense of Of success,

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like I felt successful because I
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though it had stopped feeling 
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I wasn't really growing in a way
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And so I had to do a real Soul 
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about. 
Who am I now what do I want now 

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which was You know what? 
It's time to go. 

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It's time for someone else to 
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me to move to my next chapter 
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kind of scary. 
I'm worth it. 

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I'm worth taking that chance. 
I'm worth seeing what else is 

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possible for me out there and so
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peace and we get really 
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grind of the day to day. 
Of the moment and there's this 

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thing, I see that happens when 
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message of you know you're not 
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all these markers, it can really
start to undermine your sense of

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confidence and it can start to 
Cloud your vision and you stop 

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seeing what you're really great 
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possible beyond this particular 
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We start trying to troll other 
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rather than kind of unhooking 
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what is within my scope of 
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That's within me because a lot 
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not going to be in my control, I
might be able to influence them 

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like in the example. 
At the beginning of this episode

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around asking, for a chair that 
actually might be more in 

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control than you realize, but 
learning how to distinguish. 

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Between what's really in your 
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Where is your autonomy? 
Where is your agency being able 

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to identify and track? 
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important? 
Especially, if you are wanting 

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to enjoy a sustainable and 
long-term and dynamic, you know,

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adult professional life because 
things change, sometimes not of 

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our choosing but when we 
remember to ask, Ask where is my

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agency? 
Where is my autonomy? 

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My feeling of freedom to make 
decisions over my own self that 

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sense of self governance. 
It has a tremendous effect on 

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how you experience the 
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With a lot of my clients, they 
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pressure starts to lift. 
They start to see things with 

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clearer vision including the 
distinction between, what's 

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them, and what's their 
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And what they want next and how 
the now connects to what is next

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for them. 
Whether it's still in that 

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organization or not, because 
what's next doesn't always mean 

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leaving to go someplace else. 
Sometimes, what's next means 

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reorganizing the relationships 
so that you find more 

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fulfillment and satisfaction in 
where you are for 'Well, by 

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requesting a chair or by 
establishing boundaries around 

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your schedule or by having 
difficult conversations rather 

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than avoiding them. 
So that is what I wanted to 

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share with you today is to 
consider for yourself. 

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Where is your sense of agency? 
Where is your sense of autonomy?

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What are you trying to control? 
And is that really a useful 

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direction for what you're trying
to control and just have that 

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understanding for yourself? 
How all of this is affecting 

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you, if you want to work on this
in a more structured and 

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in-depth way that I want to 
invite you to come work with me 

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on February 14th. 
I am starting a group coaching 

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program, so that is a fantastic 
way to learn in community with 

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others. 
A lot of us get very self 

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isolated as we go up in our 
leadership. 

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And there's something really 
cool about talking with other 

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managers. 
Who are not in your company, not

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in your organization, maybe not 
even in your industry, because 

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they will be less attached. 
And also, you won't have feel 

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like, you have to protect your 
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You can really just be a human 
who is learning how to work with

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humans and deal with the 
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All of that gets easier when 
you're learning outside of your 

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work environment. 
So, and I want you to invite to 

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that and I'll put a link into 
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Or just go to my website. 
Kim nickel.com go to the new 

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managers page and you'll find a 
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That brings you to the 
registration and all of the 

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details. 
But come to that. 

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That's going to be an amazing 
way to learn if you want more 

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one-on-one learning and that's 
really good for having a longer 

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time to work with, since I work 
with my clients for 6 months, 

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then come work with me 
one-on-one and I'll put a link 

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to my Jewel in the show notes 
and you can book a time to talk 

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with me, that is what I have for
you today. 

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Being a human is not always easy
working with humans, not always 

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easy, but I've got you, you've 
got yourself, and you are not 

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alone and all this. 
Thanks for listening. 

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Have a great week and I'll talk 
to you again next time. 

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