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Welcome to the new manager 
podcast. 

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I'm your host, Kim nickel. 
Hello, and welcome. 

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I'm glad you're here and I hope 
you're doing well. 

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Today's episode, I want to start
with a shout-out to one of my 

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listeners Maureen, because 
Maureen wrote to me and she 

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said, Hey listen to your episode
about the support and Authority 

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map. 
Do you have some kind of visual 

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that could help me understand 
and see it. 

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And I thought, oh yes, I am. 
Absolutely do. 

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And so I emailed her with a link
to this article. 

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I wrote back in 2019 and it has 
a visual of the map. 

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And so I thought, you know what,
this is a great opportunity to 

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revisit this topic and I will 
put in the show notes, a link to

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the same article that I sent to 
Maureen. 

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Or you can also see a picture of
the map and what I'm going to do

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today. 
Also, I'm going to save you Of 

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the time of having to read the 
article by actually reading 

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through most of it for you so 
that you can simply listen to 

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it, have it available. 
And then you'll have the article

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as both a reference tool and you
have that visual as well. 

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And the support and Authority 
map is a tool that I used a lot.

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When I was teaching back in 
2017, 18 19 when I was teaching 

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my All skills for new managers 
class in person. 

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And I found it just became a 
very helpful way to think about 

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everything that we described as 
a soft skill. 

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So all of the inter relational 
skills of communication and 

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listening and you know, it can 
feel like there's a lot that 

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goes into that. 
Once you start digging in it's 

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like, oh, there's so many things
to be aware of and how do I even

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begin? 
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about it in these terms of 
support and Authority, just 

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became a very easy way to 
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you know, how, what, how do you 
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Like, how do you understand it? 
And then put it into practice 

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with actual humans in the 
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So to get oriented. 
I want you to think about the 

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support and Authority map as 
something that describes where 

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Are you are not who you are. 
So think of it, in terms of I am

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in this place right now, rather 
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And we all have a place on the 
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That is most familiar to us 
where we feel most comfortable, 

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especially, when you are under 
pressure or stressed. 

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Simply because when you are 
under pressure or stressed, you 

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will be most likely To do the 
most familiar thing because it 

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feels known and safe or you can 
think of it as you've built up 

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the strongest muscle memory in 
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And so, when you're feeling 
stressed and Under Pressure, you

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will tend to go back to the 
place that feels like home on 

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that support and Authority map 
and we can all visit All of the 

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regions of the map in a single 
day, depending on the situation.

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And depending on the people 
we're dealing with, for some of 

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us, we are really confident and 
we feel very steady when we're 

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communicating with peers or 
even, you know, leading our 

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team. 
But the moment we're in a room 

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with someone who is in a higher 
position, we start to feel a 

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little more insecure, a little 
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being perceived when Power, 
differential that can really 

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feel destabilizing. 
And so, you know, we just want 

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to be mindful that we can visit 
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depending on the situation and 
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Also, these different locations 
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each location can be useful 
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And so, you're not like a good 
person or a bad person on this 

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map again. 
Want to offer this idea of the 

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support and Authority map as a 
way to help you be more 

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effective by being flexible in 
how you think and then adapt to 

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the humans that you work with. 
It can be a way of sometimes, 

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kind of decoding. 
Like what is going on here? 

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Like, why is this either? 
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Or why is this person behaving 
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I don't understand. 
And when you have a sense of 

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which location on the map is 
home base for the people, you 

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work with it. 
Can help you be a better manager

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for them, which then benefits 
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So, I see this as a very human 
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believe that humans who work 
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together. 
We just don't always know how to

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do that. 
So, Support and Authority. 

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Let's start by diving into a bit
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support. 
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essentially, this is the idea, 
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the power, to stabilize in a 
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And this can show up as caring 
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Noticing, if people get a long 
being able to tune into or just 

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Percy, leave the emotional, you 
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other people. 
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identify as highly sensitive, 
highly empathic folks, who 

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experienced a compassion. 
Fatigue tend to be at home in 

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this element. 
Also, if you're a person who has

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felt like you're very aware of 
sort of who has and who doesn't 

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have power in a room and you 
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supportive of those who are 
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may need a bit more support a 
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This also might be relevant to 
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So then dialing up the amount of
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questions, like what does this 
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And we do want to hold that as a
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We don't necessarily want to 
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inaccurate. 
In our guests because humans are

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different. 
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we want can also vary from 
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That means you can ask them 
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Like, what do you need to feel 
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Or how are you doing as a human?
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supportive, doesn't mean you 
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pry into people's personal 
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Some people prefer to keep their
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supportive, can mean asking 
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talking about professional 
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interested in what's their big 
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So showing that you see and 
respect someone as a whole 

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person, is one of the most 
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and on the map, this is the kind
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line, and it goes from low to 
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support. 
Now Authority, what do I mean by

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Authority? 
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I think of it as the power to 
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So for instance, look for the 
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similar to how an author creates
by declaration, by setting words

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to paper, they create something 
into being, they create a world,

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they create characters, they 
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By an author creates by 
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And you can also think of it. 
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will be people getting married 
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officiating the wedding and they
will say by the authority vested

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in Me by the state of whatever. 
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married. 
It's this idea of I am creating 

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by declaration, I have the 
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Say that this is true. 
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it as like the authorizing 
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Are you authorized, do you have 
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declaration and agreement by 
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us, you know, especially in 
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different levels of authority 
that you have to authorize 

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certain expenses for example, 
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authorized. 
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lunch brought in for your team 
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authorized you don't have to 
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really big fun team building 
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you know, off-site to this 
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getting authorization going to 
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create by declaration. 
Yes, this is an authorized, you 

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know, expense. 
You can go ahead and do that. 

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So again, in this context, I'm 
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authoritarian to bully or exert 
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But as a side note, this is also
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authoritarian really carries 
this sense of because I said so 

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it can feel like this unyielding
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arbitrary like authoritarian, I 
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be this way because you're 
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that's not, that's not what 
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But I mention this because I 
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be quite charged and have a 
negative meaning for some folks.

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And so, if you have experienced 
the word Authority, only in a 

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context where it was used as 
like power, Were you or if it's 

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been used along with, for 
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or a punishment or it's been 
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way of diminishing or 
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You and if that word just like 
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you can find another word like 
you don't. 

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It's not required that you use 
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And I just want to acknowledge 
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have different relationships to 
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So the authority is Section on 
the map is the vertical line 

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that goes from the bottom up to 
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high. 
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authority like author in the 
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creative power, to clarify 
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direction to decide to make 
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Or simply to determine by 
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I have determined that, we will 
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That's what I mean by Authority 
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And so in this light, if you are
thinking about, how do I dial up

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the amount of authority that I'm
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That would mean asking a 
question, like how can I be more

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clear and direct with people? 
It can also mean protecting your

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team from other demands standing
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or committing to and 
communicating a clear course of 

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action. 
So people know what to focus on 

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and they know what's expected. 
So there are four locations on 

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the map. 
And again, remember these are, 

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you know, available to all of 
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We tend to go to all these 
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the situation. 
None of them are bad. 

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We want to be familiar with them
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So, first we have Hi, support 
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This will look like having a 
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peace and being friends with 
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and hard decisions difficulty 
and standing up for the team or 

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advocating for yourself. 
So, for example, if you have had

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a manager who in your 
one-on-ones, always says, you're

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doing a great job, but then in 
your performance review, they 

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say there are all these Things 
that you've been falling short 

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of that would be really 
frustrating because like, why 

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didn't they say something 
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If they didn't tell you, you 
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they were so uncomfortable with 
giving the feedback because it 

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felt confrontational to them. 
They avoided it, they just tried

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to be no supportive, good job, 
way to go, but they didn't 

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actually give you that clear 
information and feedback that 

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you needed. 
This also can look like someone 

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who sugarcoats Everything the 
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so much other language. 
It's hard to hear the message of

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what needs to change. 
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low Authority. 
And in this part of the map, it 

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can look like someone who is 
distant distracted dis engaged 

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avoidant. 
They might simply be over 

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extended or unavailable. 
They're not providing guidance 

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or mentoring. 
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of trust or like tossing you in 
the deep end and it might sound 

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like, hey I trust you to figure 
this out and you think okay 

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could I have some guidance here 
and they say nope way too busy. 

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You've got this I'll see you 
later and I think sometimes that

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happens more than we realize, 
you know, somebody is either 

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super busy, they just are not, 
they don't have the bandwidth to

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be. 
Able to slow down and say, okay 

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let's let's kind of give you a 
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They instead just sort of toss 
you in and they're like you'll 

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figure it out and it can be very
frustrating because while it's 

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nice to be trusted it's also 
nice to have the support you 

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need in order to do well in the 
situation that you're in. 

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Okay, third quadrant we've got 
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this is where it looks like 
there's a high priority. 

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Authority on the work that the 
person forgets about the humans 

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doing the work. 
It can show up as being 

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controlling or inflexible, it 
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And I know that so many people 
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and yet it is incredibly common.
It is also very, I want to say 

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it's very subjective. 
So for one person, what? 

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What feels like being Edged. 
The other person might be so 

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glad that you are giving very 
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Like the way, it's perceived 
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person but we do know that 
micromanaging is very common and

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nobody team sends tends to like 
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it shows up in every Workforce 
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so we want to be aware of that. 
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being kind of, you know, very 
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envisioning, you know, Emergency
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There's a very specific order of
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There are certain things that 
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done in a certain way or even, I
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cake. 
There might be a very specific 

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To do things in order for it to 

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all work out. 
So, sometimes things do have to 

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happen in a very specific way. 
But, you know, for some of us 

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when we're in that work 
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of my students say is, they'll 
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care about people's personal 
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I don't care about their 
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their work and that's totally 
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But if that approach is not Not 
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through your team that's when we
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What else can we try? 
There might be a more effective 

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way to manage people so that 
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you can sleep better at night. 
Knowing that the work is getting

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done and it's getting done well 
and then we have high support, 

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High Authority and this is, you 
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clear kind Direct And with 
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direction and corrective 
feedback, effectively advocating

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for the team, and for yourself. 
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And most of us have to learn how
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Most of us did not learn how to 
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Organically, we had to either 
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authority or increase our 
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more supportive. 
So what I like is it's this idea

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that you don't need to be 
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to sugarcoat things. 
We can actually think in terms 

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of I'm going to be direct and 
clear and kind it might take 

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some practice but it has so many
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So one story about using this 
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So my home base where I am, why 
I tend to go especially when I'm

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very stressed or under pressure 
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I care a lot about Harmony. 
I want to make sure people feel 

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welcomed and cared for. 
And I used to work with someone 

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whose home base was low support,
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didn't really care about how 
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getting along, he valued Clarity
doing the work in the way he 

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thought was best. 
So, can you imagine how easy it 

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was for the two of us to create 
some Interpersonal friction, it 

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was so easy. 
There was a little Mutual 

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irritation, just this feeling of
unease, not a lot of trust and 

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then one day I realized, oh wait
a minute, he just doesn't value 

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interpersonal harmony with 
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The way that I do and that is 
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Okay, so instead of then trying 
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instead I responded with a 
little more uh Authority being a

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bit more direct a bit more clear
and I could do it from this 

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really kind place so you know, I
didn't I didn't need to be harsh

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about it. 
I also didn't need to ask them, 

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you know, how are you feeling? 
He actually didn't want to talk 

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about feelings for him. 
I think that was, this is my 

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guess. 
It was just like a very private 

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kind of part of his life. 
He was, he was not going to 

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connect by sharing how he was 
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And so what happened was, I was 
able to then stop taking it 

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personally. 
Lee that he didn't seem 

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interested in connecting with me
in what I thought was a 

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harmonious very human centered 
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Instead I could adjust my focus 
and my communication on being 

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more clear. 
I could focus on specific 

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behaviors on timelines on 
commitments and agreements and 

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it made it so much easier. 
And so, as I changed my mindset 

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about how I communicated with 
him and then kind of readjusted 

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my skills, the way was 
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He changed how he responded to 
and this is one of the things 

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that is so cool is when we are 
stepping into that role of 

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management and of leadership we 
can't control what other people 

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will do. 
We can't control how they will 

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feel, but we can influence the 
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We can influence the 
relationship, by the way, that 

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we show up. 
Because when you show up with 

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this perspective, with a 
slightly different mindset in a 

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slightly different skill set, 
you're now giving the other 

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person, something different to 
respond to, and to be in 

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relationship with. 
And that is wonderful to know. 

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So in my situation, kind of 
created this ease of tension, we

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worked better together and it 
was like, he didn't need to 

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change. 
I didn't need To change. 

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I mean, like not who I am as a 
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I just needed to adjust the way 
I was looking at the situation, 

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I just had to adjust the mindset
and then I had to tap into my 

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skill set in a slightly 
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support and Authority map. 
They can be a very elegant way 

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to understand kind of where you 
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And what I found to is very 
often where we feel most at 

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home. 
Home is in the place that we 

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found to be helpful when we were
in a situation that felt 

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stressful for. 
So for some of us we found 

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especially growing up because 
that's such our first experience

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with relationships or when we're
is when we're kids. 

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And for some of us, we learned, 
you know it, if I can just make 

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everyone get along, then we'll 
be okay. 

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And that eases the tension for 
some of us we learned, you know,

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when things are kind of intense,
I just need to give everyone 

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some space and back off. 
I just need to like keep a low 

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profile and let everything blow 
over and then I'll come back and

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things will be fine. 
Some of us learned when things 

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are a little intense, I need to 
exert as much control as I can, 

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over the situation in order to 
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And so we each grew up in 
different environments and we 

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each developed different 
strategies for being successful 

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with the Situation, and the 
humans that we were with and 

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then we just bring all of that 
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And those habits into the 
workplace and we forget, oh, no,

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not everybody is going to pull 
from the same perspective and 

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skills that I have used. 
So the more awareness you have 

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for yourself about where you 
tend to go, what your habit is 

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and then the more kind of 
awareness you bring around. 

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What are your options? 
What might you try differently? 

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The more you become aware. 
Of other people have different 

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ways that they do things to it. 
Starts to show you the path 

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forward where people can start 
to work better together even in 

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the midst of all of these 
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And I find that to be really 
delightful because throughout 

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the course of your career, 
you're going to work with 

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different humans. 
You're going to face different 

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situations. 
Some of them will be 

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unanticipated and unexpected and
sometimes you won't know. 

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What to do and there won't be a 
guidebook. 

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So what you want instead is kind
of a grounded sense of you know,

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like what is the perspective or 
the tool that I can bring into 

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this situation and then I don't 
have to be afraid of the 

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unknown. 
I really can feel a sense of 

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internal centeredness and 
groundedness and calm and 

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confidence and my goodness. 
We want that in our colleagues. 

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We want that feeling of 
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Security and groundedness and 
confidence in our managers. 

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And in our leaders, we don't 
need you to know everything. 

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We don't need you to be the 
know-it-all or the, you know, 

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the person of perfect 
information and guaranteed, you 

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know, predictability. 
But when things get intense, are

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you someone that folks can look 
to and feel a sense of ease 

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because you feel re sourced and 
centered and Ain't about how you

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will navigate this new situation
so that is the support and 

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Authority map in a nutshell. 
Go into the show notes, I will 

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put a link to the article so you
can read it more fully and also 

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look at my very simple but very 
useful illustration that will be

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available to you. 
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this podcast, if you have 
questions, you can email me, you

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can message me on LinkedIn. 
You can go to my website, 

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chemical.com, you can send me a 
message through there if you 

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want to work with me, 
one-on-one. 

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I am taking new clients and I 
would love to talk with you 

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about what's going on where you 
want to get to and how I can 

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help. 
So, there is a link in the show 

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notes to my calendar and I 
invite you to schedule a free 

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consult with me and let's talk 
about it. 

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Alright, thank you so much for 
listening. 

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I will talk to you next time. 
Oh hey, before you go if you 

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I'll see you next time. 

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Tell me why you listen and what 

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