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Welcome to the New Manager 
Podcast. 

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I'm your host, Kim Nicol. 
Hello and welcome. 

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I'm glad you're here and I hope 
you're doing well. 

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If you've been listening to this
podcast for a while, I want to 

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invite you to come work with me.
I'm taking new clients. 

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We work together one-on-one. 
We get to focus on your career, 

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your life, what's going on with 
you day-to-day so that we can 

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get you a bit out of the weeds 
to see the bigger picture. 

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Find some options, reconnect you
to your agency to what it is 

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that you want. 
Find out where the obstacles and

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the blocks are and then create a
plan to move past them. 

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It's not just going to help you 
with your day-to-day work and 

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your career goals, but it's also
going to shift and transform the

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way that you're thinking about 
yourself and your life in a much

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bigger, more holistic way. 
So you can start. 

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If you're curious about that, 
then book a consultation. 

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It's free. 
It's a chance for us to meet, to

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talk one-on-one, to get a sense 
of what your goals are, what 

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we'd be working on and how I 
would approach that, the 

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perspective I would have to 
offer to you. 

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And then if that feels like a 
good fit, then I'll explain how 

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exactly we can work together. 
So book a consultation by using 

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the link either in the show 
notes or go to my website 

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kimnickel.com and you'll find a 
link to get on my calendar there

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for today. 
I want to leave you with 

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something kind of short and 
sweet, but something I've been 

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thinking about a lot. 
And it's this idea of managing 

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change. 
And whether you are trying to 

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create change in your own life 
or whether you are seeking to 

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initiate change in your 
organization with your team. 

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If you're trying to change by, 
you know, managing up or if 

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there's some kind of change 
happening in your organization 

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and now it's your job to 
communicate that change to 

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others on your team, this is 
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And for today, I want to simply 
leave you with a picture about 

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why we resist change. 
So, number one, we tend to 

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resist anything that requires 
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This is not a problem. 
This is you know, like your your

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brain being really efficient and
it takes energy to learn new 

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things and to do new things. 
And your brain is like, if I 

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don't have to why, why would I? 
You know, if this already works,

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why would I change? 
So #1, expect there to be some 

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resistance anytime there's 
change on the horizon, even when

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it is change you want. 
So if you set some intentions 

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for this coming year about 
things that you have wanted to 

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change about yourself, you might
have found yourself in the 

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position where you notice 
yourself avoiding or resisting 

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or fighting the change, even 
though on one level you want it.

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Like you're choosing this 
change, but for some reason 

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you're still just, you know, 
kind of fighting it. 

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So think of it this way, right? 
There are kind of three main 

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things that you'll identify and 
you'll need to manage if you're 

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going through change or wanting 
to facilitate it #1 the thought.

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But I don't know how that 
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When people say but I don't know
how they will resist and kind of

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stay stuck in the place that 
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If people don't know why they 
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I don't know why you should 
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And I mean on a deep level, not 
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The surface level doesn't hold a
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But deep down, like where you 
feel it in your bones, that 

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sense that oh, I know why I need
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I know why this matters to me 
that will be more effective if 

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we don't answer that question. 
I don't know why. 

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Like why should I change? 
Why is this happening? 

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Why are they initiating this 
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Then we'll have more resistance.
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I don't want to. 
Sometimes we don't want to 

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change and that's what's going 
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And this one is interesting 
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that is a bit underneath the 
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like how, you know on the 
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want this new job. 
I want to progress. 

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I want the income, I want the 
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I'm ready for a new change. 
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where maybe you're not fully 
aware of it, you're actually 

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afraid of that change because 
you're afraid, well, what if I 

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don't do it well enough? 
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failing. 
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succeed beyond that of your 
community or your family or your

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friends, you might be afraid 
underneath that you'll lose 

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those relationships with people 
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Or maybe underneath that 
potential success, there's a 

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fear that you won't belong. 
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different than you know what you
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other folks who are at that 
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And so we want to be able to to 
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surface level resistance is, the
resistance of, I don't want to. 

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We also want to investigate and 
get curious about what might be 

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beneath that, what might be 
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I think one of the things that 
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there is a change happening and 
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think we sometimes imagine that 
people just need more 

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information or they need to, you
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their attitude. 
You know, we're we're going in 

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this direction and you just need
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And when we take that approach, 
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for ourselves and for everybody 
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Because unless we're mindful of 
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from and unless we start to get 
curious about it, it's like 

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we'll always be trying to solve 
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So instead, we want to start 
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this resistance. 
And it might be multifaceted. 

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They might be things that are 
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It could be that the fear of 
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this. 
I don't know why I should. 

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And underneath it all, I just 
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worried that you know, like 
some, some there will be 

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something that happens that I'm 
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that I'm uncomfortable with. 
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that and understand that. 
And now what I want to invite 

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you to do, and this is honestly 
a lot of the work that I do with

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my clients, there's a change 
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figure out what you know, what 
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in order to have that change. 
So for example, if you're doing 

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a job search, you know the 
change you want is you want a 

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different job. 
The fear might be, I'm afraid 

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that I'm not qualified. 
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right background. 
I'm afraid that I won't fit in. 

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I'm afraid that if I apply, I'll
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bad. 
So then the change that needs to

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happen to facilitate that change
is the willingness to take those

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actions and the willingness to 
love yourself and support 

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yourself even through the 
discomfort of doing new things 

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right. 
So when you are going through a 

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change, you want first to start 
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This is also one of those things
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outside, it can feel so easy to 
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why my team just doesn't change.
Like they have all the 

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information. 
They should just get on board, 

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but that doesn't actually help 
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And so it's easy to remember 
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someone else's change, it can 
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But for ourselves, we can often 
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and not fully realize what is it
going on in our own mind, in our

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own heart and emotions and in 
the way that we're perceiving 

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things that will either have us 
moving steadily towards the 

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change we want or continuing to 
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You know people say self 
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exactly a sabotage kind of 
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It's more like there's a deeper 
logic and you are so loyal to 

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that you can't even see it. 
But it's driving so many of your

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behaviors and choices. 
So you know, for the coming 

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week, what I'd offer you to 
think about is noticing your own

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life. 
Where is there a change that you

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want to create for yourself and 
notice what type of resistance 

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you have? 
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I don't know. 
How is it? 

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I don't know why I should, Is 
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I just, I don't want to. 
That's always the fun one. 

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Because on one level you're 
like, no, I I do want this 

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change. 
I I do want it. 

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But when we sit with it, when we
investigate, when we get 

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curious, when we remove the 
judgment and start to look at 

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the truth underneath, there's 
often this feeling, this little 

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voice inside that says, but I 
don't want to. 

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And you know, it might be 
activating your inner you know, 

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rebel like Rebel Kid. 
The inner you know, you can't 

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tell me what to do. 
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that's like you can't make me 
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You want to be on to yourself 
and understand how that works so

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that you're working with 
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It takes so much energy to be in
that state of internal conflict 

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and there's just there are 
better ways to do it, you know. 

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So that's what I love to help 
folks with. 

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If that's something that you are
also looking to understand, then

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we should definitely talk. 
If you are in a situation at 

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work where you are trying to 
manage change or facilitate 

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change, then that's also 
something that we can coach on 

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so that you have a strategy that
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you know, that will work with 
the humans that you have on your

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team and in your organization. 
And you're also not using 

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unnecessary energy trying to 
like force something, but 

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instead we're going to address 
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We're going to address it 
strategically or going to 

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address it mindfully so that you
have a way to work with and 

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through the resistance that is 
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Because that's just, you know, 
pretty much a given, right? 

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There's always, there's always 
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change, expect there to be some 
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So the goal is to not avoid 
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The goal is to understand that 
it's going to be there and have 

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a plan, have an approach to work
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So that is what I wanted to 
share with you today. 

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Thinking about change, How do 
you manage it? 

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How do you facilitate it? 
How it works for yourself, How 

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you can use that self-awareness 
to then become more effective at

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managing and facilitating change
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It's a really, I mean, it's a 
really fun topic. 

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We could talk about this for a 
long time, but for today, that's

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what I'm going to leave you 
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Thank you so much for listening.
I hope you have a great day and 

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I'll talk to you next time. 
When you're more effective at 

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work, you're happier in your 
life, and when you're happier in

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your life, you're more effective
at work. 

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I can help. 
Go to my website Kim Nickel com 

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and sign up for a coaching 
consult. 

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It can get better.