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Welcome to the new manager 
podcast. 

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I'm your host, Kim nickel. 
Hello and welcome. 

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I'm glad you're here. 
And I hope you're doing well or 

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coming into the end of the year.
It is definitely getting colder 

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where I am. 
I'm wearing warmer things as I 

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think I mentioned before and 
I've been thinking about 

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something that I want to share 
with you but I can't give you 

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all the details yet. 
I do want you to know that I 

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have been thinking and planning 
Neighing and putting together a 

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new offer for you. 
And this entire year, the only 

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way to work with me has been 
one-on-one. 

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I've had some requests for group
programs and so stay tuned. 

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I will have more to share with 
you about that. 

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The anticipated release date of 
when this new thing is going to 

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be starting is in the new year. 
So just know. 

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So that there's more to come and
I'm really looking forward to 

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offering a way for you to work 
with me, that lets us work 

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together in a small group. 
So the topic I want to get into 

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today. 
I want to talk with you about 

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mindset. 
I want to talk with you about 

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commitment versus attachment and
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the mindset really required to 
do Hard things and to make 

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change. 
And the reason I am thinking 

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about this and I think it's a 
really great topic for us to 

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revisit is because when you 
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tend to see most often is that 
we either continue to Simply Be 

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the way we were successful 
before we manage people. 

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So if what made You good at what
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focused and heads down on your 
work or kind of being a 

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perfectionist or leaning into 
people-pleasing and kind of 

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keeping a low profile and just 
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Like doing everything you can to
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That might be a successful 
strategy when you are an 

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individual contributor. 
But when you become a manager, 

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those same habits Can undermine 
your ability to do this new job 

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because when we're in a manager 
responsibility, there's so much 

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more communication that we have 
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We're now managing up in a 
different kind of way as well as

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managing direct reports. 
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thing that maybe you've never 
done before, which is to manage 

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a team of people. 
It won't help. 

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Up you to just do more of what 
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The way you'll sometimes, hear 
this described especially in the

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coaching world is, what got you 
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Won't get you there and it's a 
combination of the skills that 

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got you. 
Here are not the same skills 

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that you will need in order to 
meet this new level of 

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challenge. 
But it's also the mindset, 

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though. 
That you're thinking won't be 

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the same kind of effective will 
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And in very simple terms that 
could look like as an individual

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contributor, your mindset might 
be, I will just do everything 

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that is mine, I'll just do it 
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And then, as you start managing,
people that mindset will get in 

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the way of your ability and 
willingness to learn things like

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Like delegating or to learn 
things, you know, the mindset of

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what is our current process and 
who are our current people and 

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what are the current skills we 
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need in order to as a team, 
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together to accomplish all these
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One of the things I see is that 
when you care very much about 

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doing a good job and you care 
about your team and you care 

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about the clients and you care 
about the work that can turn. 

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Into taking on more than is 
needed because the mindset is, 

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if it's not getting done, I'll 
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And that creates both 
overworking overextending that 

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also creates you becoming the 
bottleneck because you're kind 

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of taking everything on and it 
is kind of a reactive way to 

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address the problem rather than 
taking a different perspective, 

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taking a different mindset to 
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happening. 
Boundaries are also a skill that

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becomes even more important than
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that are on you and boundaries. 
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agreement you set with yourself?
What are the agreements that you

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have created with other people 
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those? 
And we can do that from a place 

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that is really effective and 
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more safety. 
But so many of us didn't learn 

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boundaries in a way that creates
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A lot of us learned boundaries 
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someone overstepping. 
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need a boundary rather than the 
mindset of oh boundaries are 

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just a really simple clear and 
effective way to make it easy 

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for us to work better together 
that's it or thinking of oh 

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boundaries are the way that I 
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My sense of safety and my time. 
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combative way. 
I can actually do that in a very

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useful and connective way. 
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mindset that needs to shift and 
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as we grow into higher levels of
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there's more at stake, which of 
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you know, uncertainty and our 
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Get interesting. 
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talking about your mindset and 
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that the mindset the way that 
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your responsibility, the way 
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problem or challenge will shape 
the actions, you take the 

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choices you make and the 
decisions that you, you know, 

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communicate Related to that. 
I want to acknowledge that we 

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can go through Growing Pains 
like change can be hard and what

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I've come to see over and over 
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with my clients it helps to 
remember, you know, there's kind

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of two kinds of hard. 
There's the hard of this is 

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really new and uncomfortable. 
I don't like feeling that I'm 

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clumsy at a new skill. 
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don't know. 
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There's that kind of hard the 
growing pain of learning 

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something, new, and being in 
that stage, where you're not 

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super good at it yet, but you 
continue to practice and 

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continue to apply the learning 
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skillful at it. 
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there's also the kind of hard 
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It's the hard of letting go of a
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right? 
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kick old habits? 
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serve us, well, because habits 
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feel hard, right? 
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of hard kind of on the same 
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change, and we think change is 
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It's because our habits have a 
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easy to be in there, and it can 
feel All to be learning 

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something new that is hard. 
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the other kind of hard, which is
the heart of things, staying the

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same and not working or things, 
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stagnant and not growing. 
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pain of staying in a pattern, or
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doesn't work anymore or that is 
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the pain of continuing to use a 
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longer really fits the 
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conditions that you're in. 
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And so, when you think about how
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challenge or a goal or a 
problem, there's a part of you 

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that's going to think That's 
going to be hard, change is hard

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and I want you to remember that 
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Yes, it is, but it's also hard 
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not grow and change. 
And so, would you rather choose 

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the challenge of growing pains? 
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pain of staying the same or 
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The other addition I want to 
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this, when you reflect on those 
questions, please do that from a

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place. 
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because when we get really 
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try to bully ourselves into 
change by, you know, activating 

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our shame are feeling of like 
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this out by now, that kind of 
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It doesn't help us move towards 
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makes sense. 
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pressure actually makes it more 
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It's like adding a heavy layer 
that you then have to carry and 

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try to move through. 
So I really encourage you when 

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you reflect on yourself and 
where you are now the kinds of 

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challenges you're facing and 
whether you want to choose the 

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discomfort of growth or the 
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with things that you've outgrown
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I want you to do that from this 
place of real kindness and real 

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self compassion so that if 
you're making a change, you're 

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not doing it. 
Because you're beating up on 

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yourself, but you're doing it 
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what? 
It's time, even though this will

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be uncomfortable. 
I'm going to choose it anyways 

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because it's worth it for what's
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I really. 
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come at it from a place of real 
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because that inner critic, that 
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harsh. 
Sounding judge doesn't actually 

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help. 
It just makes you feel bad and 

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it's really hard to create 
sustainable positive change from

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a place that feels bad. 
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Okay, so when you are thinking 
about your current mindset, when

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you're thinking about, how you 
manage people, we often, you 

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know, what I've seen is this 
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So if you've had a history of 
bad, managers, or as I like to 

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think of it just very unskillful
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I think most managers when we 
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manager, they're not necessarily
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They're just not skillful. 
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They just haven't learned, they 
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out too and maybe they're not 
doing it in a very effective 

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way. 
But if you have had in your own 

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work and life experience a bad 
manager or a bad experience with

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a manager, then what often 
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become a manager, you think I'm 
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opposite. 
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Define yourself From being the 
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was. 
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we think, well, I'm going to 
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managed, and we forget that 
people vary and are different 

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and so we end up making choices 
for managing people that are 

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really ideal, like, for us 
personally, but might not be 

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effective or helpful for the 
people or the situation that 

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were managing. 
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I sort of mentioned before we I 
think I'll just continue to do 

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the things that have made me 
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And so we're just doing more of 
the same as how we were an 

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individual contributors. 
And now we're just doing more of

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that. 
But now we have a different role

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and a different kind of set of 
responsibilities and it's not 

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always a match. 
So instead of the mindset of 

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I'll just do more of the same, I
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like best. 
That's how Managed to fall or 

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the mindset of all just do 
exactly the opposite of this not

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great experience that I had 
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Instead I want you to imagine 
you can put those aside and 

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instead we want to think from 
this more of a clear blank page.

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What is the intention that you 
want to bring to yourself to 

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your team to the situation now? 
Like, what's going on now? 

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And what will be in greatest 
service and most helpful and it 

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helps to take a holistic picture
to understand yourself as a 

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human, as well as to realize you
might have a variety of 

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personalities on your team and I
include both your manager, 

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right, because you're managing 
up as well as managing your 

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team. 
And so we want to take a 

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holistic picture so that you can
make decisions that aren't 

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simply coming from a habit of 
doing, more of the same or From 

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a place that is reactive, right?
Like we want to kind of update 

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your your data set based on who 
you are and who you work with to

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help you make decisions about 
how you go forward and your 

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mindset. 
The way you're thinking, will be

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really important to that having 
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As you realize this might 
require, some change is going to

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be important to that. 
Because the other thing is, when

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you are intentionally creating 
self compassion for yourself, 

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that is a way that you create 
safety, I should do a whole 

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other episode on how to, how do 
we create safety, but it's 

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really hard to change when we 
feel unsafe, right? 

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And so part of this idea of 
creating safety, creating the 

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safety of, I'm not going to be 
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Creating the safety of this 
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And it might, you know, I might 
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that's okay. 
I'm not supposed to be perfect 

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right now. 
Maybe people will be a mad at me

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or disappointed and I'm going to
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And also for them, it's going to
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We can actively create safety 
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that we're holding towards 
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and our situation. 
I wanted to give one more 

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example. 
This is something I see my best 

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clients do a lot and I love it 
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with you but it's this 
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versus attachment and these are 
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This is the perspective that you
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thing. 
So attachment is the thinking of

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things need to be this exact 
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it's a problem. 
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like I'm committed to this 
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the path. 
There actually might change it 

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might be easier and might be 
harder than might be unexpected 

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things that happen. 
I'm open to how we get there but

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the commitment to the desired 
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result, that is steady. 
So there's this really lovely 

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Clarity and strength of it. 
Intention. 

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But it includes this really 
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It's almost like you can breathe
because it's not rigid and 

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contracted and clenched. 
It has a sense of resilience. 

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A sense of movement, a sense of,
you know, regardless of what 

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happens. 
Here's where we're going, let's 

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do this as effectively as we 
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We're still were on the same 
team, you might not have all the

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answers up. 
And that's okay because you have

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that steadfast commitment. 
And what I found is that when we

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are holding this mindset of 
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more generous of spirit, more 
forgiving, also more direct and 

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clear, right? 
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mindset of attachment, that's 
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defensive, we can become 
controlling, we start taking 

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things really personally and 
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Start to feel more contracted 
and Tents and brittle, which is 

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really interesting to notice. 
So commitment versus attachment 

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as an example of mindset and why
that is so important to 

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understand for yourself 
especially as we're moving into 

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the end of the year and starting
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this is such a great time to 
pause and reflect and notice 

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what is your mindset, how are 
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Reading safety. 
What kind of hard are you 

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choosing? 
What kind of hard do you want to

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choose? 
As we move into the new year and

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noticing, where do you fall on 
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And where might you get a little
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And you know, you're a human. 
So you're going to experience 

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the full range of it, but as we 
can kind of raise that cell 

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phone wareness, so you can be 
more intentional and what you're

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choosing and why creates a 
Better experience for you and 

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everyone you work with. 
Thank you so much for listening 

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if you want to work with me 
one-on-one this is the perfect 

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time. 
We're going to wind up this 

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year. 
Get you set up for the new year,

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go into the show notes you can 
find the link to book a consult 

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so that we can talk about what 
we'll do together. 

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And again stay tuned because I 
have some things to share with 

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you coming up in the new year. 
Thanks so much for listening. 

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I'll talk to you next time. 
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