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Welcome to the new manager 
podcast. 

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I'm your host, Kim nickel. 
Hello and welcome. 

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I'm glad you're here and I hope 
you're doing well. 

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You know, it's the end of the 
year and so I'm feeling really 

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reflective. 
I'm also feeling really 

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connected to the people in my 
life that I really care about. 

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So my family, my dear friends, 
my partner and for today's 

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episode I wanted to talk with 
you. 

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You about emotions and 
connection and to just slow down

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a little bit to really enjoy 
this time of year and what often

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can happen? 
Those there can be a little bit 

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of breathing room where even if 
your workplace is in crunch time

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because for a lot of folks, this
is actually the busy time of the

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year, but I think what happens 
collectively is we all become a 

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Know that more reflective, we 
all start to look back and ask 

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ourselves. 
What was this year about? 

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How did I grow? 
What did I learn? 

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What were the highlights and the
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And we then cast our gaze 
forward into the coming here and

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take a moment to ask. 
What do I want this next year to

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be about? 
And we think about out that in 

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terms of our personal lives, our
relationships, our health, and 

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also, our work, our finances, 
you know, whatever is happening 

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for us in that part of our own 
world and in light of all of 

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that, I guess there are three 
things I want to ground us with 

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in this conversation and it 
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of the work that I do with my 
clients and also with when I am 

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teaching Oops, and it really 
starts with presents. 

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How can we be present to What's 
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Now, how can we be present with 
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How can we be present for the 
emotions or the thoughts, or the

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things that are happening? 
Whether we're looking inward 

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being present to our own 
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present. 
Not with what is unfolding and 

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happening outside of us and in 
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much because the opposite of 
presence you can think of almost

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like absence. 
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present, it's absent from this 
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here, it might be in the future.
It might be in the past it might

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be in an ideal. 
Fantasy of how we wish things 

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would be. 
If only everyone saw things our 

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way or our attention can be in 
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know, vision of how you know, 
seeing the worst case scenario 

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play out in really Vivid detail.
Our attention can also be on the

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hamster, wheel of rumination. 
So spinning around and around 

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and never finding any answers. 
Sirs and always asking, you 

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know, how and why, and I don't 
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this kind of Vortex of confusion
and anxiety and I found over and

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over again. 
That simply the practice of, 

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okay, can I unhook my attention 
from all those things and can I 

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just gather myself back into 
this moment and just take a 

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moment here? 
Can I just be present and notice

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what I am? 
Experiencing and what is 

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unfolding here? 
Can go a long way to creating a 

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sense of relief. 
I'm currently present to the big

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truck outside my window that is 
breaking as it comes to a stop 

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at this traffic light that when 
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can create a lot more ease bring
a lot more awareness, a lot more

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energy. 
We can exhaust ourselves when we

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send our attention someplace. 
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So that's the first thing is 
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The second element is curiosity 
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like an interrogation and I 
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prying to try to uncover 
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Instead, I want you to think 
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that when you were a little kid,
maybe even as a baby, you 

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couldn't talk. 
It, you hadn't learned how to 

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judge yourself. 
You are just This, brilliant 

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wide-eyed, curious, tiny human, 
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You just wanted to learn about 
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You are so interested to find 
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And that kind of curiosity, 
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because we're not in any 
judgment, we're not in any 

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comparison and it's what allows 
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and our own self more clearly. 
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ourselves more clearly, with 
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curiosity, it really does change
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It starts to open up the way. 
We see what's possible, it 

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reveals those Hidden Truths, the
things that are true for you 

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that you weren't even fully 
aware of because you were in the

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comparing, or you were in the 
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It really does change the way 
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changes the options that you see
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And what's great about that is 
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to a feeling of agency and 
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So agency, the sense that you 
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not someone else who decides for
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And autonomy, the sense that you
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over your own Decisions. 
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situations that shape our life 
that we really have no control 

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over. 
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what other people do, what other
people think, we don't have 

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control over the people at the 
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organization and the decisions 
that they make, we truly don't 

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even have control over the 
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They're still autonomous humans.
They get to make their own 

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decisions at best. 
We get to work cooperatively and

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Italy and in a way that is of 
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relationship. 
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we don't have control over, but 
we do have autonomy in any 

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situation when we begin to get 
curious about ourselves and our 

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experience, and how we are 
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we're thinking about things, and
when we come back to that, it 

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feels really good because it's a
way of creating a sense of Of 

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meaning and purpose and seeing 
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life that you're in and what's 
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the third part that is the 
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I do is this deep sense of 
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And what I've noticed is that I 
think we often get really hard 

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on ourselves or put pressure on 
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that's required in order to take
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Through and what I found time 
and time again, is that can work

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for a while. 
But it doesn't work sustainably 

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over time because it takes too 
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It becomes a burden and we tend 
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feeling of pressure. 
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kindness a little bit, if we 
just increase, the self-kindness

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the rug, Guard that we have 
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when you are facing growth and a
new challenge and a thing that 

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you've never done before and all
of your insecurity and 

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uncertainty is getting activated
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scared that you might mess up 
that it's all going to get found

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out. 
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Maybe you're not actually cut 
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Like when all of that gets 
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kindness helps to move forward. 
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or you're dealing with a 
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situation, when you're able to 
increase a bit of kindness for 

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yourself, that's actually what 
allows you to access bigger, 

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ideas, more specific approaches.
Like, it helps to get you out of

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the confusion and out of this 
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It allows you to sleep better, 
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You to connect with and enjoy 
spending time with the people 

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that you care about. 
Instead of having part of your 

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mind, always at work and feeling
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happen. 
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And why did you do this? 
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of reminding, you know what? 
I am a human, sometimes that is 

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hard, but I'm not going to beat 
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I don't have to be hard on 
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It's okay. 
I'm a human, you know like we 

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can learn as we go that's one of
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about humans is we're kind of 
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Like humans love to learn. 
It is interesting to keep 

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learning new things. 
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present, being curious being 
kind, really become a stable and

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sustainable Foundation for 
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And they also are really useful 
for deepening the enjoyment that

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you have with people that you 
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yourself. 
Imagine if you just enjoyed 

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spending time with yourself and 
you weren't always having a 

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little inner critic voice, 
talking to you about how you 

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could be doing things better and
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only you are different. 
That's Nobody needs that. 

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So from this place from this 
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ideas I wanted to share with you
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our emotions are doing and how 
they are shaping our experience 

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in our decisions, it begins to 
change things in a really gentle

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and really powerful way. 
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you've noticed, there's tension 
at work, it might be with one 

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specific. 
Pacific person, or it might be 

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just the vibe happening in the 
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Maybe everyone is feeling a 
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thinking there's tension at 
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What do I do? 
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do is get present and notice, 
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When you notice tension at work,
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There's tension at work. 
Let's notice what that feels 

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like. 
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Like, what do you do? 
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tension at work? 
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might come up, you might say, 
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person or I avoid certain topics
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you know, I just I avoid I move 
away from tension, maybe you try

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to change it, maybe your inner 
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especially if that was your role
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Yup. 
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step into deescalate things and 
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So, instead of trying to improve
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better, you might take it in 
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how you're being like, oh, maybe
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making this person uncomfortable
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I'm just going to make some 
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reduce the tension. 
Maybe I'll not talk to them, or 

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maybe I'll talk to them in a 
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for yourself. 
You might also withdraw or 

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ghost, just silently step away. 
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conversation, and the 
relationship, maybe nobody will 

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notice if you just stopped 
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It's funny but because I have 

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been there, I am a human. 
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seems like the best strategy, 
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if I just silently withdraw. 
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happen, when you notice tension 
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personally, you might think, 
what does this person have an 

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issue with me? 
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What's going on? 
Did I do something which again, 

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is a really normal human thing. 
I think we're kind of wired. 

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Just take things personally at 
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So we get curious about that and
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experience, so when you're 
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You know, do you disengage? 
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Do you get impatient? 
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Do you avoid things? 
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strategy once you understand 
that, then we can get really 

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curious about? 
Well, Else could be going on 

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here. 
So for example, you might ask 

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like, what, what is this about 
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You'll have some guesses about 
why do you think this tension is

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Why is this happening? 

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And then once you get that out 
in front of you, like in front, 

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where you can see, okay, this is
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This is why I think this is 
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Then you're in a great position 
to intentionally choose Choose a

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strategy to address it, if that 
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you might be intentional about, 
okay, let's have a conversation 

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and clear the air about what's 
going on or you might be 

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intentional about speaking to 
your team and, and 

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acknowledging, you know, I think
I know I've noticed there's 

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people seem a little tense right
now and I'm wondering if it's 

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because, you know, the changes 
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organization, you know? 
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You might choose to approach it.
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to Simply acknowledge like it is
a tense and stressful time and I

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completely understand why people
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presence of that. 
Here's how I want to show up for

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my team for my colleagues, I 
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of groundedness and calm and 
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invite them to share what? 
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thinking about so that you know,
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of the information, so you know 
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tension and worry to go, right? 
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you can build trust is by 
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connect with people to 
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And what's interesting to, you 
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were very social creatures. 
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So if you go into work one day 
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walking on eggshells and seems 
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notice. 
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decide oh, Wonder why everyone 
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eggshells? 
Maybe, I need to be doing that 

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too. 
I'm suddenly now feeling a 

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What's happening? 
I'm not sure but now I am with 

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them. 
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belonging and now like I've kind
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It's super interesting. 
I remember this for myself 

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distinctly, like so many years 
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exam and it was a Three-day exam
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room and it was like hundreds of
very stressed out, students for 

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three days. 
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exam. 
I would be surrounded by people 

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who are had a lot of stress and 
I thought I don't want to manage

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their stress. 
I can only manage mine and so 

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I'm going to be very intentional
about for myself like imagining 

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this little bubble of safety 
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Myself. 
So that the stress around me 

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doesn't land in me and it's just
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And that way I'm going to be 
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really stressed, but I'm not 
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I'm going to really manage my 
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I'm going to really manage 
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how I can bring more calm and 
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because I certainly need that. 
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into contact with me, I want 
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calm. 
And that groundedness to so, 

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when you're thinking on the 
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into a room with people who are 
feeling tense, I am going to 

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make an intentional choice for 
how I want to show up in the 

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presence of that, and that 
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If the room you're walking into 
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for leadership. 
And guidance and that has 

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nothing to do with your title. 
By the way, I mean, we've 

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probably all worked with someone
who was not officially a manager

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but they really could influence 
the emotional tone of how people

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felt just their presence alone. 
Could either tip people into 

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being more anxious or more 
cynical or could tip people into

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Feeling more hopeful, more 
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focused and it's helpful, you 
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speaking of agency, you are 
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influence when you are aware of 
what's happening for you and the

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intention that you choose to 
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So whether that is acknowledging
that there's tension at work and

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how you want to address it. 
Whether it is acknowledging that

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the emotion of discomfort, like 
a fear of someone's anger or a 

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fear of someone's volatility is 
activating for you, the behavior

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of avoidance. 
Like you want to be really clear

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about what are you choosing and 
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And the way we get there is 
through this Foundation of 

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presence and curiosity and 
kindness and I'm sharing all of 

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this with you. 
Now, as we come into the end of 

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the year because this is such a 
reflective time and it's a time 

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to also connect with the people 
that matter most to you and it's

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hard to do that. 
If part of your brain is worried

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about work or thinking about 
stressful, work things, the more

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that you learn how to direct 
your Or attention, the more you 

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learn how to bring that quality 
of curiosity, that can gently 

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untangle, the not and slow the 
wheel of anxiety and the more 

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that you are able to bring a 
little more kindness and a 

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little more compassion, to 
yourself as a human, the better.

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It makes everything like it pays
off in your immediate experience

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as a human, as a colleague, as a
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And in all The relationships 
with the people in your life so 

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my hope for you and my wish for 
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As you come into the end of this
year is that you feel more calm 

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and grounded, you feel more 
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yourself and you feel a real 
sense of autonomy and a sense of

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possibility for what's next? 
So that is what I wanted to 

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share with you today. 
Thank you so much for listening 

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and I'll talk to you next time. 
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I'll see you next time. 
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Tell me why you listen and what 

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