1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,400 Welcome to the new Manager podcast. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:16,360 I'm your host, Kim Nichol. Hello and welcome. 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,720 I'm glad you're here and I hope you're doing well. 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,880 My name is Kim Nicholl. If we have not met before, I'm 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,200 glad that you are here because it means that you care about 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,640 being a great manager and it means that you're thinking about 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,280 leadership and it means that you probably also, you know, care 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,720 about people. And I think all those things are 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,560 really important in every single industry in the world. 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,160 And I have been thinking a lot about career journeys, how 11 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,280 they're often non linear. Mine certainly had a lot of 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,960 pivots. And on Thursday this week I'm 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,720 having a conversation with one of my favorite career coaches. 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,200 Her name is Wendy. You might have heard me mention 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,240 her here before. We are hosting a free webinar on 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,360 career pivots and side hustles. Or I think of them also as side 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,600 quests because sometimes we have kind of the main nine to five 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,720 career, and then there might be something we explore on the side 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,560 that then turns into something big and beautiful that we didn't 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,080 expect. Or that simply reveals a skill 21 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,400 or a talent OR an aptitude that we didn't get to access in our 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,280 regular job. But then once you realize you 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,880 have that skill, you can then use that in your regular job. 24 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:36,240 And specifically, as an example, I wanted to tell you a little 25 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,280 bit about when I was a fitness instructor. 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,960 So many years ago, I had become a lawyer. 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,240 I was working in publishing, not as a lawyer, but we were 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,160 publishing like all the books that you see in TV shows. 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,200 And when there's a lawyer or there's a judges chambers like 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,040 the wall of books, the company I worked for published those books 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,320 and I was promoted to become an editorial director. 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:07,720 And I was the director of this portfolio of content and I had 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,560 many people on my team and we had been peers. 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,200 And then I got promoted and now I was their manager. 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,160 So there was a lot that was happening that I was trying to 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,680 figure out on the fly. There was not training, there 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,160 was not a lot of guidance. It was just congratulations, you 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,240 got the promotion, you're the manager now. 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,400 Go. It was a little bit of a 40 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,640 surprise. They didn't expect it to feel so 41 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:36,560 weird to actually be in that role. 42 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,920 And one of the things that was happening concurrent with that 43 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,560 is I had become a fitness instructor specifically because 44 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,240 there was this one class that I just loved. 45 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,000 I went to that class every week. I was like the front row girl I 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,120 want. I just love this fitness class. 47 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,240 It felt so good. And the teacher of that fitness 48 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,920 class was going to offer a teacher training. 49 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,320 She wanted to have more teachers in my city who could teach this 50 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,400 format. And I didn't think of myself as 51 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,400 a fitness person. I didn't really even identify as 52 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,760 an athlete, even though I literally had been an athlete in 53 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,280 college. But in my mind, I wasn't, you 54 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,520 know, I thought, oh, athletes, you know, there's they're, 55 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,040 they're like this. And I don't know, like I, I love 56 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,800 to row and I'm on, I'm on the crew and I, you know, but yeah, 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,200 I didn't necessarily take on that identity of being athletic 58 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,440 or being really into fitness or the gym. 59 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,440 I just, you know, I liked this class and it felt really good. 60 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,080 And so I went to this class and I, you know, I took her class 61 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,880 like every week. And so when she offered a 62 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,520 teacher training and it was over a weekend and I thought, Oh my 63 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,640 gosh, even though I'm not a fit pro, I wonder if I can take that 64 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,400 class just so I can learn this format even better. 65 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,680 I just loved the class and I wanted to learn it better. 66 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,840 And I thought, you know, if I learn how to teach it, maybe 67 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,480 I'll be able to guide myself through this class on my own. 68 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,560 I won't have to just wait till she teaches. 69 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,680 I can just take that class anytime I want because I'll know 70 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,520 how it works. And so I signed up. 71 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,000 I took this class. I came in feeling not like an 72 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:38,520 impostor because I wasn't trying to be a fitness instructor, but 73 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,080 I came in as an enthusiast. I said I love this class. 74 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,720 I just want to learn everything about it. 75 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,800 So even though I felt like I didn't quite belong because I 76 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,640 was in this program now with other fitness instructors like 77 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,120 professional fitness people, I still thought, well, I'm an 78 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,120 enthusiast. I'll invite myself into the 79 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,680 room. I can be here, I'll learn, you 80 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,960 know, but I'm not going to encroach or like present myself 81 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,640 as a fitness instructor. Well, an interesting thing 82 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,480 happened, which was as we were going through the training, this 83 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,920 instructor who I really looked up to comes to me and she says, 84 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,520 so when are you going to start teaching? 85 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,760 And I said, what? Oh, no, I'm just here because I 86 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,440 love this class and I want to learn it really well. 87 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,120 I, I don't plan to teach it. And she's like, what? 88 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,080 She's like, she's like, why not? And I said, well, I'm not a 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,440 fitness instructor, you know, I have, I have like a desk job. 90 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,160 And she looks at me and she's like, Kim, this isn't rocket 91 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,320 science. And by the way, you know this 92 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,320 class better than anyone else in here because you come every week 93 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,080 and these are professional instructors and they lot, they 94 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,320 know lots of different kinds of classes. 95 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,040 They teach lots of different things. 96 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,000 They're learning this for the first time. 97 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:01,200 She's like, you actually know this movement better than 98 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,880 anybody else here. Like you can do this. 99 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,760 And because she said that, I thought, oh, well, you know, 100 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,320 maybe I, maybe I could teach, OK, maybe I, maybe I could do 101 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,120 that. And then what ended up happening 102 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:21,320 was she gave my name to the group exercise manager at a gym 103 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,600 in my town. This gym had wanted a teacher to 104 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,240 teach this format. So they had reached out to her. 105 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,880 They said, hey, we know you did a training. 106 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Is there anyone locally that you would recommend that we could 107 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,920 talk to? And so she said, yes, talk to 108 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Kim. They I went in for an audition. 109 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,120 I had to teach a class in front of a bunch of people I didn't 110 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,320 know. And they gave me the job. 111 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,000 And so I then was teaching one Class A week, Saturday mornings 112 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,520 at the 24 Hour Fitness in San Francisco on Church at Market. 113 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,480 If you know the neighborhood, you know exactly what that 114 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,640 corner is. And I taught this class there 115 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,840 for years and I loved it. And one of the things, you know, 116 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:09,880 especially as I look back, one of the things is that I didn't 117 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,920 plan. Like the goal wasn't to quit my 118 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,040 day job and become a fitness instructor. 119 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,720 It was more like, there's this thing that I love to do and I 120 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,720 want to do it in a way that kind of works with the rest of my 121 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,040 life. Like Saturday mornings was 122 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,640 perfect. And then I had my, you know, 123 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,440 like my job. But the thing that happened was 124 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:39,480 that I learned so much about leadership and about, you know, 125 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,320 managing a group of people. I learned so much through that 126 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:52,240 experience that I was then able to use not just in my day job, 127 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,240 but that helped me understand something that I am good at, 128 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,840 something that I care about. And it really was one of the 129 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,440 very first steps into this new career path of coaching, of 130 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,320 professional learning and development, of personal growth 131 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,720 that has become something that is so rewarding to me both 132 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,680 personally, professionally, financially, like in every way, 133 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,280 because I had allowed myself that curiosity to take on that 134 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,120 side quest, to take on that side hustle. 135 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,680 You know, the job didn't pay very much at all. 136 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,320 It was the kind of thing where I definitely was not doing it for 137 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,679 the money, but what I gained from what I learned was 138 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,559 invaluable. I mean, one of the things was 139 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,559 that every day you'd walk, you know, I'd walk into that room to 140 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,880 teach. I never knew who would be there. 141 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,280 Would I have three students or 30 students, right? 142 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,360 I didn't know who would be there. 143 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,080 I didn't know, not just like who would be there, but I also 144 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,280 didn't know how my students were arriving. 145 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,000 So I taught Saturday morning because that meant some of them 146 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,720 had been out late the night before and they were coming in a 147 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,760 little, little bleary eyed. And it's like, OK, we're we're 148 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,160 going to take it easy. We're not going to push hard 149 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,400 today. I had students come in who were 150 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,120 recovering from injuries. I had students come in who were 151 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,840 really, really strong in one particular way, but their body 152 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,080 was a bit imbalanced. And so they would be really good 153 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,480 at some of the movements and then other ones would feel more 154 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,040 challenging because their balance or their range of motion 155 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,640 was not at at matching kind of what their other strength was. 156 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,360 And so the ability to both understand, OK, we're going to 157 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,040 start here, we're going to end up there. 158 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,520 I'm going to guide you and facilitate this physical 159 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,240 experience while being mindful that every single person's 160 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,840 individual body and mindset are different. 161 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:00,680 I'm going to have to make sure that I can connect with each 162 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:05,360 individual while still gathering their group and guiding us 163 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,080 through this movement experience. 164 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,400 Right. Like that meant not taking for 165 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,320 granted that people had abilities or ranges of motion 166 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,280 from one time to the next. You know, like a lot can happen 167 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,080 in a week. And so I might have a student 168 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,360 come in and one day they're feeling totally, you know, on 169 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,240 fire and they're just really all in and they've got great energy 170 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,720 and their bodies feel great. And then they come back the next 171 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,400 week and they say, Oh my gosh, you know, I had a bike accident 172 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,720 or oh, I've, I've, I've got a cold. 173 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,400 I've had a cold this week. So I'm feeling really under the 174 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,040 weather or even coming in emotionally fatigued or 175 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,200 challenged because of something that was happening in their 176 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,120 personal life. I had this one student who came 177 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,160 in and she always looked like really sad and kind of 178 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,320 withdrawn. And at first I thought, oh, my 179 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,440 gosh, she doesn't like me. This is a classic mistake I 180 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,080 think a lot of us make as leaders as we take things so 181 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,000 personally. And I think, oh, you know, she's 182 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,120 kind of cold. She's she's not really engaged. 183 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,280 Am I doing something wrong? Do I need to reach out to her? 184 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,480 Like what? What's going on? 185 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,400 And for a while I took it personally. 186 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,680 And then I thought, you know what, there's probably more 187 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,760 going on here. And I just, I need to make this 188 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,520 not about me. I just need to be here for her. 189 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,600 And it's OK for her to be here in any kind of mood she's in. 190 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,920 And what I learned much later, what she came up and told me 191 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,600 like a year later after coming to class all this time, she 192 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,600 said, you know, things have just been really, really hard this 193 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,680 year. And I always look forward to 194 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:47,400 coming to class because it's the one place where I know I can 195 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:52,280 just be me. And I wanted you to know how 196 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,320 much this class has meant. And I was so moved. 197 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,840 You never know the effect that you're having. 198 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,200 And just because someone on your team or someone in your group is 199 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,360 not responding the way you think they should be responding, 200 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,800 number one, it doesn't mean that you're doing a bad job as a 201 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,480 leader. It also doesn't mean that 202 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,600 they're doing a bad job as a person. 203 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,600 You know, we can have some space and a little bit of grace for 204 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,160 understanding. There's probably more going on 205 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,960 here. We can be gentle in our inquiry 206 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,840 without needing to dig deep and say, hey, like, tell me 207 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,520 everything about what's going on. 208 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,960 Sometimes it's private. People don't need to speak about 209 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,080 it. For me, it was as long as 210 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,640 they're safe, as long as they're moving in a way that is safe for 211 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,680 their body, that's good. Like, that's success. 212 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,160 You don't have to look at me and be smiling the biggest smile. 213 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,920 It's OK. You're also welcome here exactly 214 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,120 as you are. And so after all of those years 215 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:57,400 of learning about leadership and managing the room and walking 216 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,880 into the room, and sometimes, you know, the music wouldn't 217 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,400 work, the equipment would be broken, or, you know, things go 218 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,960 wrong all the time. Things happen that we don't plan 219 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,160 for. And yet there's always this 220 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,200 intention. What is my role here? 221 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,120 My role is to greet everyone, help them feel welcome, guide 222 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,680 them through an experience that leaves them feeling more alive 223 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:23,720 and at home in their bodies. And ultimately that was one of 224 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,000 the big insights I had in the course of doing that work, which 225 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,640 was understanding that anytime someone goes to the gym, it's 226 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,160 because there's something about themselves that they would like 227 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,360 to change something. They want to be different about 228 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,480 their body and how they move, either bigger or smaller or 229 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,320 faster or a greater range of motion or more balance, or 230 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:53,240 there's something. And my job was to be mindful of 231 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,760 the conversation they're having in their head when they're 232 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,800 looking at themselves in the mirror. 233 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:05,960 And what became so rewarding to me was realizing that I could 234 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:12,400 invite them into a better relationship with themselves and 235 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,000 their bodies and however they were feeling that day. 236 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,760 So that when they looked in the mirror, it wasn't with criticism 237 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,080 or feeling disappointed or comparing their body today to 238 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,640 how it used to be, you know, a year ago or 10 years ago. 239 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,480 But instead look to themselves in the mirror, find themselves 240 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,920 in the present and with so much appreciation for what their body 241 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,360 is offering and able to do right now. 242 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,960 To meet that reflection with appreciation and compassion and 243 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,880 love and listening, right? There's such this fine line 244 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,000 between is this the right time to push more or is it more 245 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,560 valuable to back off? And I think in our society so 246 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,360 much, we get this message of it's always better to push more. 247 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:08,240 And I know that is not true. Sometimes the most wise thing 248 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,280 you can choose and sometimes what being a leader means and 249 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,000 being a manager means is understanding. 250 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,680 You know what in this moment, Pushing is not what will help 251 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,920 here. This is a time to back off. 252 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,480 Sometimes taking a step back is what will help us to move 253 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,760 forward. Taking a moment to rest is what 254 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,520 will help us to focus, to move forward. 255 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,920 And all of these insights and ways of thinking and learning 256 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,440 how to hold space and learning how to command attention, but in 257 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,680 a way that is inviting and in a way that is supportive. 258 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,880 All of that, all of these really valuable leadership skills and 259 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,760 executive presence skills and management skills. 260 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:03,840 I learned that not from my nine to five job working downtown on 261 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,600 the 26th floor of a high rise in San Francisco. 262 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,040 All of that I learned in the studio, guiding the most 263 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:20,600 wonderful humans through an hour of sweaty, stretchy, inspired 264 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,160 fitness class. And from what I've gained from 265 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,440 that, not just the insights, but honestly, there are people that 266 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,520 I know now that I met in that class that have become friends, 267 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,600 that have seen my career journey and for whom I have been able to 268 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,200 witness their growth and transformation and change over 269 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,160 these years as well. The friends that I met in the 270 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,040 teacher training classes and all of the experiences that I had 271 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:52,440 through that part of my career have been so rewarding and 272 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,160 continue to ripple out. And so I wanted to share that 273 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,680 story with you today just as an example of how you will learn 274 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,400 things through the course of your pivots, your side quests, 275 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,520 your side hustles, through the things you do that are not your 276 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,280 job, that will help you to show up to be the most effective and 277 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,079 authentic manager and leader that you can be. 278 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,839 You will learn this through how you are in relationship to your 279 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:24,520 family, both your family of origin and your chosen family. 280 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,960 You will learn this through the way that you experience and 281 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,760 participate in your community, in your friendships, in your 282 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,600 most intimate partnerships, the way that you learn how to be 283 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,920 present and to think about connection. 284 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,800 And what is it that we're trying to do here? 285 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:46,240 All of that you can gain insight, wisdom, and knowledge 286 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,280 from. Bring that into the workplace. 287 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,360 That's what I get excited about. So that's what I wanted to share 288 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,880 with you today. Thank you so much for listening. 289 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,720 And if you want to work with me one-on-one, if you want to 290 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,560 explore what that can look like, then book a consultation. 291 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,040 There's a link in the show notes. 292 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,920 Or just go to my website, kimnickel.com. 293 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Join me on Thursday if you're able to. 294 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,360 We are going to talk about pivots, career side hustles and 295 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,600 side quests. And that's it. 296 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,320 All right, I hope you have a really great day and I will talk 297 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:28,000 to you next time. When you're more effective at 298 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,560 work, you're happier in your life, and when you're happier in 299 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,760 your life, you're more effective at work. 300 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,960 I can help. Go to my website, kimnickel.com 301 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:40,280 and sign up for a coaching consult. 302 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,080 It can get better.