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Welcome back to Linked by Golf, 
the podcast exploring the 

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journeys of people linked by the
game. 

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I'm your host, Josh McGuire, and
this week I'm joined by Scott 

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Knowles, the manager of Steven 
Gallagher's Foundation and the 

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Junior Ryder Cup vice captain at
Marco Simoni and Bethpage. 

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In this episode, we discussed 
Scott's involvement with the 

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foundation, reflect on his own 
golf, and how the Steven 

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Gallagher Foundation is 
supporting thousands of kids to 

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get into the game. 
Let's go over to Scott. 

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Thanks for joining Scott 
Knowles. 

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Great to see. 
You. 

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It's here, Ross. 
Thanks for inviting me on. 

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Really looking forward. 
To that and Scott, we've got to 

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jump on straight to the Junior 
Ryder Cup. 

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So last year you were there for 
the Junior Ryder Cup. 

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What was that experience like 
for you? 

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It's hard to put things like 
that into words to be honest, as

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an amazing experience again, 
because that's the second thing 

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we've done it we've done at the 
Marcus Simoni in 2023 and then 

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obviously the one in Bethpage. 
It's just a different a 

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different level. 
It's quite hard to describe as 

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important. 
It means to the kids and what 

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the feeling is just when you're 
there and how you well you 

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looked after. 
Again, the players themselves, 

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they're all top class players 
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standard of some of these 
players, I can't remember that I

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had to cap so much for for this 
year, last year, sorry, but 2023

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worst ghetto was off plus seven.
Wow, that was the worst of the 

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7th. 
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you're OK, but the other ones 
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So it was like the standard is 
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So yeah, like when we talk about
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Junior Editor Cup, there's, you 
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chance. 
It's another level. 

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It really is like another level.
The standard is is incredible. 

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And again, the Americans are 
just on that same level as well.

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So in America, the golf was 
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It was the kids didn't get and 
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experience of what they had in 
the Marcus Simone. 

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And sadly that was the weather 
because it was, if you remember,

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it was cancelled on the IT was 
the Thursday. 

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Yeah, it was the day when we 
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on the Bethpage and then meet 
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They have breakfast for the 
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They interact with the players 
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the cup. 
They go into the stage. 

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But because of the weather, that
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So it was basically about to 
then just play at the Nassau 

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course, which stunning golf 
course. 

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So you ever get a chance to go 
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I would recommend that greens 
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13 in the stand. 
And it was just a different 

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level for for our guys. 
But there's actually experience 

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of what how they looked after 
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with the players. 
You know, the diet stuff, all 

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the the big boots are sitting 
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We're getting the pressure on 
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eye opener. 
I was more than attuned to this 

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time than I was the first time 
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you didn't know what to expect. 
Steve and I, we went over 

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without you and we're not going 
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But how well and it was 
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The result wasn't as good this 
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Remember the score. 
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when you lose, but I do remember
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at the turn, we were actually 
leading and we thought this 

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could be the first time we ever 
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This is going to be. 
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them, they pulled it out and 
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the back nine and and just edged
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But yeah, it's it's, it's a 
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And match plays like that, 
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I mean, you can how many team 
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games, county games, how many 
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And the teams like, you know, 
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right here we go folks, we're 
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It's crazy, isn't? 
It here there's a few games like

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so two up, three up at the turn 
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good. 
They could just hold out the 

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next mate. 
You turn around and one down and

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you know that. 
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play, these things happen. 
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experiences and even when you 
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pushing, put your feet on the 
pedal, keep pushing it forward 

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because you never know what we 
call what's what's around the 

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corner. 
Everything you think you bless 

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us that never would say that we 
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The junior of the cup for the 
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for again, not so much again for
the American one because of what

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didn't happen. 
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that Marcus Simone, obviously 
probably one of the best 

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experiences they'll ever get as 
a golfer unless they played the 

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right of the cup themselves, 
gave me an example of that. 

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Again, this is be one I will say
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fantastic. 
So the presentation on the 

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stage, we're all up there 
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the Steven Duty speech and all 
that such. 

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We then came back down to sit in
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Ryder Cup where they're doing 
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When it all finished, the VIP 
guest, which we were classed as,

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were to go through a certain 
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so many VIPs that we couldn't 
get out that way. 

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So they said like, can you just 
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And the experience I think the 
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the fans realized who they were 
and started chanting Europe and 

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then put them on their shoulders
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So there's something again that 
you'll never experience, babe. 

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It was funny as well on on that 
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There is that when we were 
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with the players and we're 
looking about. 

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The VIPs are there and we're 
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Lee Trevino, Ray Floyd, all that
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You're thinking wow. 
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starstruck as well as well as 
it. 

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Yeah, you're doing wow, look at 
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And but the girls behind there 
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with were saying, who are these 
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Old guys just hanging around. 
Hi, who is that all day but in a

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Djokovic coming in Gareth Bale, 
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Forgotten. 
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All the the ghettos and all 
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And the boys all knew who they 
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There was all a couple of boys 
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Lloyd, Lanny Walker, all these 
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You've got no idea who's sitting
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That's. 
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And then how do you? 
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we've been missed out with the 
American one and also in the 

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morning of the Marcus Simone 
again we're having breakfast in 

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the actual the main, the 
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early in the morning before the 
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and that came in to speak to the
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mixed with them and just. 
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guys, the guys being current 
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mean, that's just. 
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Is there obviously a lifetime 
building up their own pressure 

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and everything that I want to 
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But then again, they were taking
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chat with them and when the kids
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players were there, Jon Ram, all
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They were sort of begin mixed 
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It's just absolutely. 
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another message that there where
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the girls table and again the 
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OK, Google. 
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Google, I know, but I can't 
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any better for that. 
The Marks money was better 

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suppose from Steven Eyes point 
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and the team Connor Graham who 
fingers crossed he'll be one for

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the right of the cup at some 
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because he is a a quality 
player. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
And how do you pack the team, 

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Scott? 
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Do you get help from all the 
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is it yourself and Steven just 
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How does? 
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with the different national golf
associations, but also there was

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a set criteria, a number of 
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for the girls. 
It was basically the top three 

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in the ordinary merit were 
automatics. 

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So basically I was telling 
everyone, look, if you want to 

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play in the Junior Ryder Cup, 
here's the events and a bit they

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were there again, the done of 
which was it was great was it 

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wasn't if you played in all the 
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only your top 4 events only 
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So I meant right as opposed to, 
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four and you know all 8. 
Then you may get enough points 

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to get the team know the ones 
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there all the time. 
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then picked three boys and three
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And from that point again, but 
again, we're still looking at 

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that order of meta because in 
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prepared to take your time out 
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wanting to be there. 
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the men's events that were going
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had to decide about parents as 
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mix the teams up to be then take
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It was like, because it's in 
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have an Italian get there. 
But again, I had to be there on 

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merit or be in contention with 
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And I think the parents on it 
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one America is then try to pick 
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But at the end of the day, so 
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Notice it's always the best 
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applies for any team you're 
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Everyone will think, oh, it's 
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No, it's a team, you're building
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So if someone that you might 
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then it won't be in it that for 
you never really had that very 

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often. 
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really just a case of looking at
the top three and then we'll 

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then look to the next three down
to see right of the how they 

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performed head to head against 
the next three down from that is

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the other ones from them 
comparison wise to some of the 

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events that played in who did 
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And can you then go look at the 
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again, because we knew we were 
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So that was going to be I think 
Beth is certainly the longest 

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course I've ever walked around, 
farthest Cleed. 

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It was an absolute. 
It was absolute monster. 

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That was the one thing I would 
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I was actually a bit 
disappointed with the way it was

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said. 
I was the terms that stories 

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about Bethpage being a really 
long course, tight, long rough 

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holidays to it and the rough. 
There was nothing that the 

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fevers were quite white. 
The greens were generally pretty

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flat. 
It wasn't massive the slopes on 

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them and speed wise they're in 
the decent speed, but they're 

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nothing again so skaty. 
So it was a bit it was a bit not

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what we expected and it was 
sadly never got to play the 

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match on it. 
But again, of course for that 

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for the girls was something like
6500 yards. 

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So it was like that's. 
Tough in America. 

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So it's it's long for them, but 
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So yeah. 
So again, you take all that into

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account and then you have to 
then obviously then speak to the

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associations, their coaches as 
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So for our picking, they were 
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team, right. 
Again, speaking with theme to 

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say, well, do they play matches 
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own international matches? 
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Who gets on with who? 
What sort of personalities out 

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there with them? 
Because Steve and I love. 

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You so it's easy for a guy. 
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different countries as well. 
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have spoken so much English. 
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everybody speaks English, but 
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different levels within 
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eventually many of them 
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But yeah, it's definitely stages
for them. 

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Or wasn't. 
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that because again, there's some
was like in, you know, if you've

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got some of the you know, if you
had the Scottish person in the 

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team, my broad accent trying to 
speak to everything, they would.

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Sorry, I've got no idea what 
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get it. 
So you've got to balance that as

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and we're looking at parents. 
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fact of the the way the Gene 
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mixed 4 thumbs in it, 4 balls, 
right. 

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So again, you've got to balance 
as and right. 

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Well, you've got a Scottish kid 
to the French girl located. 

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Don't speak understand each 
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They're not really good Nestle 
jail when they're so you've got 

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to consider that when you're 
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well. 
So, yeah, so there's quite a lot

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of moving about and then begin 
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them once or twice during the 
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time. 
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time and practice to really get 
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and we'll have a sort of plan 
before we go about the speed to 

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the coaches. 
But then there's nothing better 

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than seeing that people 
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like on the golf course for us 
to make a decision, right, To 

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tweak that. 
Do we change that to yeah, 

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there's a lot more to them 
sometimes what people think on 

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it. 
OK, I'm watching it and 

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logistics as well, trying to get
all these cuts from all these 

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different countries. 
Oh, totally safely, make sure 

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they're OK. 
Get them out to America. 

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It must be must be stressful in 
many ways as well. 

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This this this the battle of 
staff of the the 2 are are 

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absolutely amazing to be how the
the organized things were Ed 

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Johnson, Ed sorry and Marsha and
I except who were with us at the

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time. 
They were fantastic and making 

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sure that everyone was in place 
for the kids. 

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But it's like we were playing 
the one in America. 

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There was kids who were playing 
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Canada. 
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coming from Europe to America 
and some were coming from Canada

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to come down, but they couldn't 
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night. 
So they couldn't mix early on 

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with the players in the South. 
So again, it was traded the 

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logistics of getting them all 
together and then then mix it 

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from and then at your game, but 
it's all finished as well. 

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Is it? 
Some of the kids were then 

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finally to Singapore to play in 
the Speedo Santos. 

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And then there was some that 
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college and some that would go 
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So like generally what happens 
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kids get to go to the main Ryder
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trip. 
Right. 

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So they stay on and then they 
get to the first tee to see the 

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players go in and teeing off and
chatting with players before 

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they tee off and the ride they 
got again, some of the kids had 

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to get back because they either 
all of these boots were going 

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somewhere or they were playing 
another event or they were going

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to cut the college wanted them 
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So there's so many things at all
with it and the back room staff 

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that are amazing. 
So I took a lot of the pressure 

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away from CBI as far as that was
concerned. 

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Maybe just had to be aware of 
right well, they've and there 

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was a couple that had to leave. 
It was almost after the 

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presentation. 
So Susan presentation was done. 

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It was like all right, see you 
there They're off to another 

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another tournament somewhere 
else. 

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Wow, that's amazing. 
Many pros. 

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Yeah, I was going to say like if
an assembly was the other life I

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was age, but. 
If. 

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He took, if he took me here 17, 
you're like, hey, do you want to

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go and play before the Raider 
cut? 

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And by the way, you can stay 
there. 

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You just wouldn't have moved. 
Which are you? 

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Just like, I'm here all week. 
I'm staying, I'm watching. 

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I'm going to watch everybody 
golf. 

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I can. 
Yeah. 

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Well, the cuts are so involved 
in many other things now. 

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They're just on the next 
tournament. 

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That's so just bizarre. 
No, they are again that the 

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standard say the standard the 
players at that level are it's 

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hard to escape, have higher 
standard that is that you've got

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a team to get into that team. 
Yeah, as a corner game with 

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these we won our exceptional 
talents in Scotland and he was 

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by no means a guarantee to get 
in the team, but he had a spot 

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and got his spot and deserved it
and done brilliantly for us is 

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fantastic golfer. 
But it is a hard to think, it's 

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hard to get into the national 
team, right? 

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You then they look to, right now
we're looking at the whole 

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Europe and there's all, there's 
only six boys and six ghettos. 

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So it's not as if it's there's a
massive chance for you to get 

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that position. 
It's like a squad of 50 you're 

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taking. 
That's incredible. 

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It's not like it's a squad of 
50. 

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No, it's just 12. 
I mean, it's nothing and. 

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One of the girls I think she won
from the Marcus Simone, Helen 

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Brima, German girl. 
I think she turned pro about a 

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year or so after them, won four 
or five LET events on the trot. 

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Was like Gee, but she was a 
phenomenal. 

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I always remember her saying to 
us that the Marcus Simoni was 

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too short for her. 
My God, but. 

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Again, because she only could, 
she only had a driver like 

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because of the way the teaser 
set for the girls was, she only 

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had a driver twice, right? 
One of us to head onto a green 

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300 yards away. 
So the other ones were she said 

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that it's too tight, it's only 
15 yards at my hitting point. 

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So she had her rescue club to 
stay back to to see the finale 

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driver just so one or not. 
That was that's incredible. 

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That's incredible. 
Just a year later, she's on LET 

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and one of. 
Events with the Junior Cup 

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Remember this is be revolved 
with the junior pro in France, 

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right. 
That is that played in the the 

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junior triad and it was Nicholas
Olgaard was in front of us as an

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amateur. 
He's in the junior Ryder Cup. 

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So it's like tear that back from
2019 that both the brothers have

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played in it. 
That's it wasn't pretty natural 

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Ryder Cup. 
So there is a there's a few that

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are that good that they can't 
then jump from that into the 

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main Ryder Cup. 
And that doesn't often happen 

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like I'm sure, and you've got 
our experience score from 

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Scottish national teams. 
The sort of pathway is not as 

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straight as it's just not a 
straight Rd. 

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No, as people fall off for 
various reasons, it's not 

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because they're not a good 
golfer. 

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There's lots of different things
in Lifeguard in the way. 

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Well, that's The thing is golf 
is there an individual game and 

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there's so many different facets
that can change your course of 

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where you're going. 
So either best player game, but 

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obviously we're dealing with a 
lot of the youngsters. 

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So the best 10 year old, the 
best child, we're best 14 year 

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old doesn't mean they're going 
to be the best adult golfer, the

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best at that time. 
That could be because of the 

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technique could because of their
size, could because of their 

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mentality side. 
And then when they get to 

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teenage with teenage years, that
can be anything. 

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Again, if he distracted with 
various things, it's just life. 

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And then when they get older 
there's all again. 

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But the one of the big thing is 
our biggest things there for 

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kids, certainly at that level is
the costs. 

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The costs. 
I think even playing, if you 

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played in they call the Scottish
circuit and played in our events

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or the juniors tour event or 
whatever, it'll cost you about 

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£15,000. 
Wow. 

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Because what the 10th free is, 
there've been a junior plays an 

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event. 
They generally go as a family. 

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Yeah. 
So it means the family's staying

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over Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 
right. 

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OK. 
So that's the cost for that, the

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travel to get there. 
And then it's the case of right,

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where there's 10 events in that 
year, there's 12 events you've 

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got to play in to try and get. 
So it becomes quite it's it's 

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it's tough just trying to manage
that costume for them and then 

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try and get courses in areas 
where more people can actually 

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gather together. 
I don't think there's an easy 

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answer to as unless like I know 
a lot of the other countries 

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they support, again, because 
they have the money to support 

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the players. 
Scottish golf don't Scottish 

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golf don't have any money, to be
honest. 

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Yeah, I remember we told us in 
Spain, Mercia. 

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They have some like 4 million 
the use towards development for 

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the players. 
My goodness, that's it's crazy. 

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I think that we've got many. 
100,000 that it's just that's 

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just for all the team or four 
and whatever the money is, it's 

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certainly not that level. 
You think the number of golf 

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courses we've got, an amount of 
tourism that comes to Scotland 

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for golf and how big a game is 
in the country, that sounds like

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it's an all my own, doesn't it? 
So again, again, I get like, you

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know, a lot of people don't pay 
fees, etcetera, the Scottish 

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call for things, etcetera, but 
that itself will determine how 

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they have the kids or how the 
players do end up performing. 

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Yeah. 
And everyone says, oh, it's not 

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due with money. 
No, it is. 

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It's a background, you can't 
ignore it. 

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You don't want it to be a part 
of the. 

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World you can't travel some 
event you're not. 

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Yeah. 
And then there's might be 

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coaching. 
Yeah. 

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And there's your golf fees. 
There's just getting to normal 

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golf, the airplane, Yeah, the 
time that that takes. 

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So it's a huge commitment. 
But I say it's a difficult one 

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and again there's no probably 
easy answer for certainly for 

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ourselves, but it would be like 
I think the the fee for the 

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Spanish golf that they pay €80 
per person we pay, I can't 

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remember what we are now, but 20
odd pounds. 

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Right. 
So. 

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But again, the allocates half of
that money goes to development. 

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And then again they have, we're 
speaking to you in some of the 

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countries, they have houses in 
various countries which they 

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take teams away because again, 
the money, I see the money, 

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there's some that they bought 
houses in Switzerland, Spain for

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that basically just training. 
So they take a team away and 

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they stay over there, but they 
own that place. 

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So then they can go there as 
many times they want, do what 

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they want with it. 
That's incredible. 

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It's a different and it's again,
you can. 

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These things are all fantastic 
if you have the money. 

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Yeah. 
But it's getting the money, 

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which is, as we know, it's not 
exactly the easiest thing in the

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world to do, but it does then 
restrict a lot of the 

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opportunities that people can 
have. 

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And even from our point of view,
always engaging kids into the 

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gulf, which is our mainstay on 
it. 

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But then if we've got kids who 
get to a same level, nobody 

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would love to be able to help 
them. 

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But there's no way to be in a 
position to say there's £10,000 

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for you to go and do this or or 
even 1000 lbs to go and do this.

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So that goes. 
That's a different. 

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Different level of cost and come
up in there, isn't it? 

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Yeah. 
And that's what you're looking 

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for your national bodies to 
probably take that on or to an 

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extent per say that it's really 
tough for them or that you then 

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have to look for entrepreneurs 
of people who have got money or 

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are able to, to then access that
and deal with that. 

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But again, that's that's not an 
easy thing because there's so 

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many other things that are out 
there at the moment. 

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Exactly. 
Yeah. 

451
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,840
And Scott, we've jumped straight
and to the Raider company. 

452
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,920
We're starting to get towards 
the the foundation work there as

453
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,320
well, but we'd love to go back 
and find out more about how you 

454
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,640
got into the game and and what 
you're totally just like. 

455
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,040
So what got you started in golf 
back in the day? 

456
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,120
Well, some people think I got 
started with Hickory clubs the 

457
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,640
way back in the day, but 
honestly, I was there was metal 

458
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,200
clubs about when I was playing. 
Well, the bizarre thing for me 

459
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,600
when I was a junior, I never won
anything. 

460
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,880
I never won one. 
Oh, men, yeah, I was. 

461
00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,920
I was off scratch of age, 
probably age 15, but just never 

462
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,400
won anything. 
That's incredible. 

463
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,720
You've got to. 
Turn around the camera and the 

464
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000
sort of trophy, a cabinet feel 
like 100 trophies, so I didn't 

465
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,240
really want anything. 
No, I had that that time there 

466
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,480
was a trying to win it. 
I think I won an under 12 event 

467
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:27,600
once that was that was a bit. 
It was bizarre because then I 

468
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,400
think again, when I was always 
at school then I was I was 

469
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,800
playing all afraid of games. 
Like with Ian Young. 

470
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,080
I used to practice a lot with 
who always, I don't know if you 

471
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,760
remember Ian Young used won the 
Scottish PG and all that stuff. 

472
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,000
So I used to play a lot with 
them and Chad Dave Barry used to

473
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,880
play a lot but and practice a 
lot. 

474
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,040
But for some reason it just 
never happened. 

475
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,040
And then it was bizarrely, but I
was just turning 18 was our last

476
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,480
year as a junior. 
I played in the Scottish boys 

477
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,800
Dunbar and I got beat in the 
first round. 

478
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,560
So that's here we go again. 
No, it's the third round they go

479
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,560
be in. 
I got beat. 

480
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,440
So they're OK right. 
So I carried from a friend at 

481
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,280
the time, a Chap D beverage and 
they carried for him and he got 

482
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,200
to the semi finals and he played
a column Montgomery in the semi 

483
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,560
finals. 
And that's going to realize how 

484
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,680
much little I knew about goal 
because I'm looking at column 

485
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040
and Gromby thinking a string 
that is that will never last in 

486
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,920
the wind. 
So he's done it right since 

487
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,280
then. 
But then after that, after that,

488
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,760
I went to get a lesson from Jim 
Farmer Dunnison and I remember 

489
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,400
getting the lesson with them and
my first fourteen shots were 

490
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,560
Shanks. 
Now I'm thinking, Oh God, I'm a 

491
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,880
what am I doing here? 
This is just and he gave me just

492
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,080
two simple things to work on my 
technique and see me just 

493
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,360
twiggling. 
Oh right. 

494
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,320
And he sits with a tasty Luke 
stop try to be a hitter, your 

495
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,480
swinger and that's you go. 
All right, never thought about 

496
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,080
that. 
And then two weeks later I won 

497
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760
the Lothians County 
Championship, the men's, and 

498
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,200
that was the first thing I ever 
won and it. 

499
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,680
Was just through the stroke play
and then the match play, yeah 

500
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,680
together. 
So that's not huge event. 

501
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,840
As a master again, because 
again, you had all the the ones,

502
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,600
the top ones at the time and and
the Lothians were all playing in

503
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,680
it. 
And I'm this this young purpose 

504
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440
stopper who's this and I was I 
could attain the youngest 

505
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,800
several winner and it was just 
sort of bizarre. 

506
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,120
But then by that time I'd 
already started the job within 

507
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,920
the bank and so I was being 
tried combined golf and banking 

508
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:40,280
and I identified that too easy 
to be honest, because again, 

509
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480
you're just doing the banking 
exams and everything goes from 

510
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,560
it. 
So the next thing I won was what

511
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,600
is, was it a 24? 
Six years after that I won the 

512
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,600
East of Scotland, London Lynx. 
And despite the fight I was 

513
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,680
working, I was still trying to 
play in the the weekend events 

514
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,400
if I could, like the Cameron 
Corbett and the yeah, being the 

515
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,000
gold medal and East of Scotland 
SE West of Scotland at the time.

516
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720
But again, I was sort of rushing
to get there, then rushing to 

517
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,320
get back to get back to work. 
And then at east of Scotland. 

518
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,080
The one problem was always I'm 
Achilles heel was my driving. 

519
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,280
I was that was tend to get me in
a bit more trouble than any 

520
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000
else. 
Mayors were always fairly it's 

521
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,440
always fairly good. 
And at that event east of 

522
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,080
Scotland, again, my dad was 
cagging from us. 

523
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,560
So we drive up, take the clubs 
out to beat the car. 

524
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,360
Ready. 
You go on the first round and 

525
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,040
I'm going. 
Where's my driver? 

526
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,760
My dad said. 
I took it out and I left it in 

527
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,640
the house. 
He actually took it. 

528
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,280
Out it's she what's that? 
I'm afraid I'm telling you and 

529
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,680
you're not listening, I said. 
So if you've all got it, you 

530
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,200
can't play with it. 
Suffer that's. 

531
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,360
Brilliant. 
Right, OK. 

532
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,040
Today. 
So I think I shot some like I 

533
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,400
can't remember the scores were 
sorry, 6771 with a three-week. 

534
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,240
I was like and like I was 
leading by a couple of shots. 

535
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,360
After the first day I thought, 
OK, it's. 

536
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:22,400
Also I think yes. 
I so went back home with that 

537
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,920
said, do I put the driver back 
in there? 

538
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,000
But no, it's fine, just leave 
it. 

539
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,520
Just leave it there, yeah. 
So then I carried on the three 

540
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,080
with again on the Sunday and 
went on to win it. 

541
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,120
So it was like right, OK, so I 
don't really have to hit the 

542
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:42,520
driver all the time, do no 
right, OK, point taken by again 

543
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,120
a case like ever were told 
before. 

544
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Then life sort of gets in the 
view with things. 

545
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,840
So again, by that time I was 
then married. 

546
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,760
So again, there's the commenders
from that side of it again, 

547
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,880
buying a house by. 
So again, it was like my life 

548
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,320
probably at that time was I was 
playing a league match for the 

549
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,840
club on a Monday, Tuesday and 
Wednesday was was was sort of 

550
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,640
work time and spend time with my
family. 

551
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,800
And that Thursday was maybe a 
little bit of practice. 

552
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Friday, if possible, try and get
up late at night to try and get 

553
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,280
a practice round. 
If I couldn't get that was just 

554
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,960
to get to the venue. 
Then you had two round Saturday,

555
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,360
2 round Sunday and then back to 
work on the Monday and then 

556
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,680
doing that full cycle. 
So I was doing that for I did 

557
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,000
that for 20 years. 
So I think it now and there was 

558
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,960
most weeks, but bizarrely it was
when back, you know, in 1990 

559
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,400
when I became the Scottish golf 
of the year, the bizarre thing, 

560
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,120
but that was but that time I had
two young kids. 

561
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,160
So the two year old and just 
born at that time. 

562
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,040
So it was bizarre that how it it
was almost like that took my 

563
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,520
mind off a bit of golf because 
I've now got the family to think

564
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,800
about. 
And so it was whether or not was

565
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,000
more relaxed or not. 
But then I did change job at 

566
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,720
that time to become a sales 
agent, the Co-op insurance. 

567
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,400
So I had time during the week I 
could set my time to. 

568
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,000
So I made ways. 
It was my day off so I could 

569
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,480
then play. 
And over the winter, that winter

570
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,680
I played in the alliances. 
So it was against the pros and I

571
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,120
was winning events and that 
event. 

572
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,480
So that so it gave me a bit of 
confidence to go, OK, I can't 

573
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,720
really compete with these guys 
now. 

574
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,240
And then the start of 1990 I 
think I finished about 5th at 

575
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Craig Miller, which I probably 
had a chance to win it but I 

576
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,920
didn't take it. 
But I was really I'm really 

577
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,920
quite glad of good start to the 
season. 

578
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,080
Finished fifth and then went to 
the West of Scotland and I won 

579
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,360
the West of Scotland and 
Philadelphia picked Andrew 

580
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Coulter back at that time. 
Bird did the last two holes at 

581
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Coder to beat him by shot. 
That's not easy. 

582
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,400
That's two tough holes as well. 
So that was really what Elliot 

583
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360
ever went. 
OK, so down the stretch I can't 

584
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,200
do I can't hold it together. 
And then I think I finished in 

585
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,160
the top five and about 10 events
in the year. 

586
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,560
It was just a one trying 
elsewhere. 

587
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,200
One end up winning the Southeast
at the end of the year to cement

588
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,040
the winner in the Scottish or 
the Romera. 

589
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,480
But then I finished third at the
lengths I was, I think at that 

590
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,480
time the only unseeded player to
be seeded in the Scottish 

591
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,400
amateur. 
That's a non internationalist. 

592
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,480
Sorry to be seeded in the 
homeland nationals, right. 

593
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,880
That was really because how I 
performed at the start of that 

594
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,640
year. 
It was like, well, you're in the

595
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,400
top 8 now, so you're not on the 
team yet, but you're going to be

596
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,920
into that. 
But so that sort of gave me that

597
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,280
stepping stone from that. 
And then they take pill hard to 

598
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,240
again coached in the Scottish 
setup which it was Bob Torrance,

599
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,640
which it was like. 
Oh, were you Bob Torrance as 

600
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,720
well? 
At the same time, no, you can't 

601
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,800
tell arcs. 
That's right and McLeod and all 

602
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,880
that. 
And so it was like, well, you 

603
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,960
can talk to Bob Torrance. 
So you know, you can't get any 

604
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,160
better now. 
He's the best. 

605
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,040
He'll meet you better meet you 
this, meet you that. 

606
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,920
And I remember went to driver 
was terrible. 

607
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,720
You'll you'll find them terrible
with names and courses, but went

608
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,840
to Spain for the coaching and 
Bob again was doing his coaching

609
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,320
with us and I think he's he's 
trying to get me. 

610
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,480
I was always afraid of the ball.
Everything was a fade. 

611
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,240
He decided I'll try and get it 
to, you know, you've got to hit 

612
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,600
what draw some because at that 
time with Sam, everything was a 

613
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,520
draw power to draw. 
No, you can't have a fade, son. 

614
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,440
You go ahead with draw, right, 
OK, right. 

615
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,600
So he's came, he's doing 
techniques to draw. 

616
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,200
And again, I remember hit the 
first four or five shots, only 

617
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,000
hit them with five yards and he 
just hit again. 

618
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,760
He's what he said, right. 
So that's your best swing. 

619
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,960
I'm going you're peace. 
I've got to say five years. 

620
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,920
Keep doing that. 
If you work on that about six 

621
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,280
hours, 8 hours a day, you'll be 
you'll be fine. 

622
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:06,280
I'm good. 
I've got two kids working so. 

623
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,120
No chance to do nothing. 
No, no, no. 

624
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,680
That's again Bob. 
Bob, he was a phenomenal person.

625
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
He was just a phenomenal guy, 
but phenomenal coach. 

626
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720
But if he's one of those guys 
that it was basically work ethic

627
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,240
and you had to do all the time. 
And sadly for me, I just never 

628
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,040
had that time. 
But they tried to incorporate 

629
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,560
the following year and to be 
honest, I was then trying to hit

630
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,720
drawers and head out of bounds. 
I was just, it just wasn't. 

631
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:40,080
I thought, God, this is just. 
If you don't know, if you're not

632
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,160
even sure what you're trying to 
hurt, you're going to struggle, 

633
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320
aren't you? 
If you're not clear as I draw 

634
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040
what I feed and you're just 
struggling. 

635
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,720
With what I knew, if I stand up,
if I hit this, it's going to go 

636
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,160
down the middle. 
And again I was 1980 a very 

637
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,480
straight driver but this time so
again it will drop a sort of 

638
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,680
feed irons feed so Lance up 
fine. 

639
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,000
And the game of the courses back
then score was really set up for

640
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,040
that. 
I mean, you'd be playing a lot 

641
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,720
of likes golf as well. 
You don't need to smash it miles

642
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,239
back then. 
You want to keep a law, get a 

643
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,639
better run on it, he told me. 
AP and back in back in the days 

644
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,880
it was more about like no, it's 
all about hit the ball long 

645
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,400
swing speed and all the rest 
which is fine but back there it 

646
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,679
was basically keep on the short 
stuff yeah in the even more 

647
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:26,320
chances at the score. 
So before that in 81 didn't do 

648
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239
much. 
So played in the nationals and 

649
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,560
whatever then that's fine. 
And then and. 

650
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,000
What was I was going to ask? 
What was I like to get in the 

651
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,920
Scotland team? 
What did? 

652
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,639
It was great. 
Again, like the players that 

653
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,960
were trying to declare on the 
team at the time. 

654
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,800
Yeah, the game, the corners 
shares the Stevie Gallagher's, 

655
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,440
the Dean Robertson's and 
Tricolta. 

656
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,800
Raymond Russell, Jim Milligan, 
Alan Thompson, Olson Bryson, 

657
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:58,680
Gavin Laurie, Sam McKenzie. 
Just a fantastic bunch of guys. 

658
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Stevie. 
What? 

659
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,320
I say what I say a golfers 
incredible. 

660
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,560
Phenomenal the the guys that we 
played with yeah again Sam 

661
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,200
McKenzie who's the one of my my 
best friends though he played 

662
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,920
with us first year 1990. 
I think he went on to play for 

663
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,800
the next 20 years, but he was a 
fantastic, yes, yes, fantastic. 

664
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,680
And but again, the standard of 
players at that time, which is 

665
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,080
hard, that's good now. 
But back then it was, it was 

666
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,000
like, wow, in Gorshire he was 
flying at that time. 

667
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,200
Stevie obviously was flying at 
that time. 

668
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,640
They had Steven Dandas who'd won
the British Amateurs and he had 

669
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,080
Craig Watson was in the most all
that as well when another 

670
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,800
British champion. 
So there were so many guys at 

671
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,480
that time and the great thing is
we're all just friends. 

672
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,720
There was no like he's been. 
There was just well, competing 

673
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,280
each other. 
Wolf fought hard to beat each 

674
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,840
other. 
Some you win, some you lose, but

675
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,280
there was no animosity with it. 
It was all good fun. 

676
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,720
Wilson was all Wilson. 
Bryson was always the best 1 he 

677
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,040
beat. 
Please listen to this. 

678
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,440
Just because you said no, I'm 
holding a lot of putts against 

679
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,200
him. 
He didn't leave. 

680
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,840
Well he would act like he did 
the whole any putts himself. 

681
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Watch. 
I always say he's terrible at 

682
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,280
parting but he hold a number of 
putts. 

683
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,360
I used to Cardiff for him, he 
was pretty good with a short 

684
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,280
game. 
But not again, but again, 

685
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,280
probably that this is an example
of like you think the best team 

686
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,360
or one of the teams should. 
Either it's always the best 

687
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,960
players, make the best team or 
whatever, you get the best 

688
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,040
results. 
We had a team where it was. 

689
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,360
It was impressive. 
I think the 10 performed that 

690
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,960
well. 
The whole nationals, that was in

691
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,800
92. 
I'm trying to do this. 

692
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Go on. 
Sherry, Stevie Gallagher, Steven

693
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,960
Das, Jim Milligan, Alan 
Thompson, Wilson Bryce and 

694
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,760
myself. 
I think the I've tried the other

695
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,040
guys who are missing, Mr. Gavin 
Laurie. 

696
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:11,480
I think we lost like 11311, so 
11, four and some of 12/3 in the

697
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,520
cup of the matches. 
We just got hammered and I was 

698
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,280
depressed and you're thinking, 
but these guys how you go? 

699
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,200
But it just didn't happen. 
It's just. 

700
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,320
The day is really, I mean, you 
yourself score. 

701
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,080
You would, I'm sure. 
You turn up to sometimes club 

702
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,640
games, county games, Scotland 
games. 

703
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,880
One day you turn up and you 
shoot 7 under. 

704
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,080
Next day you turn up, you shoot 
a couple under, another guy 

705
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,680
shoots 5 under. 
And that's the kind of level 

706
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080
you're talking. 
People who are just capable of 

707
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,640
crazy stuff. 
Yeah, crazy scores. 

708
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,880
Like again, even back then we 
played the home and actually 

709
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,360
again, the the the strongest 
team like at that time is but 

710
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,360
not strongest team, but the best
team is with the Irish team. 

711
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,320
But again, that was a Podrick 
down in Clark. 

712
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,320
And probably it wasn't as if 
they were they were rubbish. 

713
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,560
It's just it was a different, a 
different, they were just again,

714
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,560
another, another level etcetera.
But as well. 

715
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,760
But again, you'd take a lot of 
friendships etcetera with people

716
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,080
at that time. 
Let's say a night to they're 

717
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520
trying well and they two O 1 
again, the east of Scotland 

718
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,920
again and I won. 
What else do I not you Craigmor 

719
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,360
Parker won at the start of the 
year. 

720
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,800
And then I won the East of 
Scotland again and I finished 

721
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,680
second in the Scottish goal for 
the year. 

722
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,680
It was Dean Gateman, but Dean, I
finished second to Dean in the 

723
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,800
Scottish stroke play. 
But that was a bizarre one 

724
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,760
because there was a Morn Hall 
and I was leading after three 

725
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,120
rounds. 
I was, I thought I had a three 

726
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,880
shot lead with two hosts to go 
because I was saying McKenzie 

727
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,920
was the nearest person I thought
was in that. 

728
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,880
So he's not some three shots 
ahead. 

729
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,960
I'm thinking fine, we got the 
17th tee and there was three 

730
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,880
groups on the tee, which is a 
par three. 

731
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,480
Yeah. 
What? 

732
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,800
Such has been a big hold up. 
So all right, OK, right. 

733
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,840
And then Somerset come back to 
it. 

734
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,240
Did you have a Dean away? 
Poor bidding. 

735
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,000
Oh, he's birthday some like 6 to
the last eight holes. 

736
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,920
I was like, what? 
It's like what he says. 

737
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,040
Yeah. 
So you're now one ahead to Dean.

738
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,760
Was it because Dean Dean's 
finished? 

739
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,360
Right. 
OK, so, so again, the from our 

740
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,680
point of view, it was about half
hour weight on that Part 3 and 

741
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,880
then I missed the green then up 
and down and I thought right, 

742
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,640
OK, back to one level now with 
them. 

743
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,880
So then we went they went down 
18, hit about 10 minutes to talk

744
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,920
about how my T-shirt down 18. 
And then I had to wait for 20 

745
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,240
minutes to hit my second shot 
because they were waiting for a 

746
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,880
ruling for a game in front. 
And I was like, oh, come on, 

747
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,320
somebody, somebody. 
Something got you a break. 

748
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,040
So again, missed, missed, you 
know, the right hand side did up

749
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,720
and down. 
It was like OK, wow, but that 

750
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:58,240
and then even Dean came up after
when he basically is sort of big

751
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,000
manner, but just I had one of 
those bike nights and The thing 

752
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,160
is the Dean you always knew he 
could do that. 

753
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,720
He was a phenomenal, phenomenal 
golfer, a great player and again

754
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,400
also he's doing fantastic well, 
but stunning unknown also with 

755
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,000
the Walker Cup. 
He's just done as well it. 

756
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,280
Was an incredible set of players
that came through at that time, 

757
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,360
wasn't it? 
I mean, you've got Tom, but 

758
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,080
Dean, Robertson, Bartley, 
Howard, Graham, Rankin, oh, all 

759
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,960
these guys. 
Barclay and Graham, yeah, 

760
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,320
they're brilliant. 
Again, there was, there's so 

761
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,320
many. 
There was a lot of characters 

762
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,720
again about that time and again,
all different personalities. 

763
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,560
There was again, Graham was 
always, I'm going to beat you 

764
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,240
into some money. 
He was going to beat everybody. 

765
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,800
He's just probably. 
Alternator. 

766
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:49,760
Yep, I was talking to his boss 
saying I'm going to kill you and

767
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,240
just and he did. 
He's his teeth, but he was a he 

768
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,320
was a fantastic character. 
But then he has a game like the 

769
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,240
guys like again, that were 
seeing that Warren Kelly, David 

770
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:05,000
Patrick and all that were coming
through at that time and and 

771
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:11,160
lofty, my Loftus here. 
So it was a clean cup of guys 

772
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,840
that were evolved and he had to,
I would see a sort of journeyman

773
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,840
in the the main events like 
again, sort of Les McLaughlin 

774
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,440
and our side with Alan Hogs, 
Scott Walker, various ones who 

775
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,680
were in that. 
So yeah, there was it was a 

776
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,600
great, a great technically, to 
be honest, but it was again, a 

777
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,000
different time because of that 
time. 

778
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,640
There's just so people would 
call those full time amateurs. 

779
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,320
There was a lot of them just 
starting to come through that 

780
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,040
time, but there was there wasn't
many. 

781
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,200
Our business probably that phase
it started changing a lot about.

782
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Yeah, it was because it was at 
that time the result there was 

783
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,920
still like even Jamali was 
working that thing to kind of 

784
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,000
more working and playing golf 
and then it started to flip as. 

785
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,240
And right now, damn, I would 
just say they started to come 

786
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,560
through with and. 
Probably, I think that would 

787
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,800
have been around the time the 
lottery funding started. 

788
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,080
I mean it was a huge amount of 
money, but it's probably not for

789
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,880
guys that they could maybe do a 
part time job rather than full 

790
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,080
time and then they could 
practice the rest and. 

791
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,800
Go the the support you got back,
but there even if you go back, 

792
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,960
probably the teams with Bob 
McIntyre and you'd Ferguson, the

793
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,160
support they got back then is we
ahead of what is now. 

794
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,760
Because I remembered like Lofty 
was done about the times he was 

795
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,560
playing international matches in
Italy, Spain and all that. 

796
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,240
And they were you had countries 
come over to Scotland to play 

797
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,280
international matches. 
That doesn't happen though, 

798
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,440
because the schedule. 
Like Australia and stuff like 

799
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,440
that as well from the Lake 
Macquarie and all those offence.

800
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,480
They still go to the South 
Africa through the yuan, Rupert 

801
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,280
the support he gives the 
Scottish golf without which is 

802
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,720
great. 
Yeah. 

803
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,080
But then that's more or less it 
now there's not I remember back,

804
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,200
you know, plenty E France, 
plenty of Sweden. 

805
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,520
There was international matches 
that were going at leaving or 

806
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,360
whatever, but there's none of 
that really now. 

807
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,280
And that's again, because the 
schedule is is so busy now with 

808
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,480
so many events and the European 
structure is now a lot stronger 

809
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,000
and the events are a lot bigger 
there now. 

810
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,920
There used to be in the leaving 
gold medal was a go to event. 

811
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,120
No, you remember Lee Westwood 
when there played in it. 

812
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:28,040
I remember Robert Carlson 
playing a Hanson playing it. 

813
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,360
So I remember these guys playing
it. 

814
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,240
But no, that doesn't happen. 
Yeah, it doesn't happen. 

815
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,840
Don't come here and a lot of us 
again is down to things like 

816
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,760
Wagger and everybody else that 
comes from it for free again. 

817
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,600
Like at that time it was I was 
more than a enjoyed all the 

818
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,720
times etcetera with individuals 
for but team was the I love 

819
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:54,040
cleaning the team stuff. 
And the Scotia Championship is 

820
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,280
probably my biggest one as far 
as a record goes. 

821
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,880
Like I've won it 6 times. 
So I've got 6 gold medals with 

822
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,440
it and it's I think that's a 
record. 

823
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,920
But then there's captain the 
Orleans team as well. 

824
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,760
So I won that four times as a 
captain the Lothian. 

825
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,600
So with 10 medals with that. 
And that's purely and it's the 

826
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,960
team environment. 6 again 
players going away Mixon, 

827
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,720
Gellen, Bonden and again with 
that with the Lothians, the game

828
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,560
we were spot with choice goes to
the area size, the area we are. 

829
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,080
So we had like this game is 
going back a bit tiny. 

830
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,320
George McGregor. 
Two players are now sadly have 

831
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,120
passed Brian Shields, Jim Doom, 
who's sadly no longer with us 

832
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,120
again fantastic players. 
Then go back, Yeah, down to 

833
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,240
Colin Brooks, Kenny Walker's, 
Stevie's Mood. 

834
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,160
And then you obviously got 
Stevie Gallagher and two unsung 

835
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,560
heroes in the William Stuart 
Smith, Keith Nicholson. 

836
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,600
Fantastic. 
Keith Nicholson, Yeah, he could 

837
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,960
play. 
Keith Nicholson can't play. 

838
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,080
He's again both both of them 
again stunning up again. 

839
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,320
They just didn't have the time 
to travel to go away and play 

840
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,440
other events, but it'd be to the
morning Lothians and you are 

841
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,320
you're going to have to play 
some rethinking golf to be. 

842
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,240
They were fantastic golfers. 
Yeah, it was. 

843
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,320
We probably as you get older, 
you always look as you eat. 

844
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,800
It was a golden eater, but it 
was, I don't know, I'm sure the 

845
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,880
guys now will be thinking this 
is a golden eater. 

846
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,040
Honestly, I mean, I can oblige 
that guy probably, but I'm just 

847
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,520
about younger than you score. 
And I would have been like a 

848
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,440
junior and I carded for Wilson 
some of those times. 

849
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,200
And honestly, I look back and 
like the amount of golf that 

850
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,680
guys were playing was just 
phenomenal. 

851
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,040
For a start, it was incredible. 
And all the 36 holes. 

852
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Yeah. 
Yet virtually half the Scotland 

853
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,320
team coming to play a 36 hole, 
potentially the full Scotland 

854
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,440
team played a 36 or I don't 
think that actually harms 

855
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,840
anymore really. 
No, it's a different, it's a 

856
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,480
different environment. 
Now it's Morgan. 

857
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,760
Eighteen holes and they don't 
play in more than eighteen holes

858
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,880
a day. 
That's with how they wanted to 

859
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,080
be back in our time. 
It was, it was 70 holes every 

860
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,760
weekend. 
I remember Bloomberg Barclay was

861
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,280
in a European, you'd been 
sighted to play with, sighted to

862
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,400
play European individual Del 
Mohoy and he was raging and I 

863
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,640
was like what are you raging 
about? 

864
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,560
Said this is costing me £600. 
Oh, he said. 

865
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,120
Because the Hamilton and the 
Bothell Castle 36 holes were on 

866
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,480
this weekend and I always win 
them. 

867
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
It badly probably did and he 
probably would. 

868
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,640
He was a phenomenal hello. 
But he was ratings. 

869
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,800
He had paid for school. 
He was just costing me money. 

870
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,600
I could be earning money. 
I heard stories about those guys

871
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,640
and it'd be like them. 
And if they want to play good, 

872
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,920
it was like, MMM, Falker traced 
us tomorrow. 

873
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,320
Maybe I'll miss a couple. 
Said that not the road. 

874
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,560
Oh, it's a shame. 
You come back, you've made the 

875
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,120
cut. 
No, I'm halfway up the up the 

876
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,000
road now. 
Yeah. 

877
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,960
So it was it was 70 hours. 
So 70 hours in the weekend was 

878
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,160
it was a norm. 
It was a norm. 

879
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,000
It was a norm, wasn't? 
It you played played on The 

880
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,200
Saturdays Thursday souls, you 
went out Saturday night with 

881
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,200
your your wife or partner. 
The you're up early in the 

882
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,840
morning to the N 86 souls and 
then on Monday you're at work 

883
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,200
and then you had the league 
match in the Monday. 

884
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Then you there'll be a bit of 
practice in between it and. 

885
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,640
Between say, different times. 
Oh, well, think back then. 

886
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,240
No, I just, I don't know, 
enjoyed the time, loved the 

887
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,640
time, but I was like, my God, 
does that do what right? 

888
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,520
Yeah, yeah, fine. 
Absolutely. 

889
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,440
But nowadays it's eighteen holes
is yeah. 

890
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,480
And so that occasions when I 
hear people saying, oh, I'm 

891
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,040
tired. 
I'm yeah, OK. 

892
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Exactly. 
And that's a great, it's a great

893
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,720
segue score into your work with 
the Stephen Gallacher Foundation

894
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,520
because we've talked about a lot
of the guys that Stephen would 

895
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,680
have known that you would have 
known. 

896
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,800
And then that's obviously given 
both of you, especially Stephen 

897
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,240
starting of course and getting 
you to run it, the inspiration 

898
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,560
to put the foundation in place. 
So I'd love you to talk about 

899
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,760
that and some of the work you're
doing with the cats and just 

900
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,160
throughout golf. 
Well, again it was again back in

901
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,320
2012 at both sides there was 
seem I had been speaking to Paul

902
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,560
Laurie and you know, Paul was 
doing it with this foundation 

903
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,200
seemingly he was always wanting 
to give someone back to Junior 

904
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,640
Golf. 
So he was contemplating then how

905
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,800
he's going to do things and what
was the ball with it. 

906
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,720
And at that time I'd been 
working with then the financial 

907
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,640
industry for 30 odd years. 
Subsequent, about six months 

908
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,760
before Stephen decided to do 
this, I'd thought, you know 

909
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,920
what, I want to get out there. 
I want to know try and give 

910
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,320
someone back to golf myself or 
do something within golf. 

911
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,920
And so maybe stupid or unwise, I
don't know where I'd say to pack

912
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,880
my job and altogether, because I
thought if I I keep on going ham

913
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,600
and I'm going to do it and I'm 
working. 

914
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:09,240
So I thought, no, just cut ties 
with the work finish. 

915
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,120
I could afford to do it. 
Fortunately for a year or so, 

916
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,880
there was three or four months I
was thinking, Oh my God, was 

917
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,560
this a good idea. 
Then Stephen sort of called me 

918
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,160
and just out the way I said, 
look, you do anything? 

919
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,120
I said, well, at the moment, no,
but would you like to help me 

920
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,680
run my foundation just to get 
started? 

921
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,920
I mean, what you're looking to 
do? 

922
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,040
Well, we're going to go up to 
see Paul have a chat mom, what 

923
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,320
they do, how they set up and 
we'll want to get that 

924
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,360
established down this area. 
So Paul obviously is the north 

925
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,080
and we'll beat. 
All right, OK, so we started 

926
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,160
from there went up and it was it
was August, September come 

927
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,840
November, but then say rail 
cable are going to do this and 

928
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,280
see what she live about June. 
Do you want to get this set up 

929
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,280
for us to say right, OK, we'll 
get a surface. 

930
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,160
It's just part time. 
So that's fine. 

931
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,920
It's involved with golf, dealing
with kids love it. 

932
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,800
I'm I'm up for doing doing that.
So it was in Feb 29th of 

933
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,600
February. 
Bizarrely, 2012 is when it all 

934
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,760
officially started. 
So again, the, the, the concept 

935
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,560
has always been and always will 
be is just to get kids to play 

936
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:22,480
golf and join local golf clubs. 
If we get the next superstar, 

937
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,200
great, because again, we still 
have a belief even with 

938
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,840
ourselves as, and if you're good
enough, it doesn't matter what 

939
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,960
the system is, you'll come 
through, it'll come through. 

940
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,360
It's just you have to set 
systems up to give more people 

941
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,000
opportunity. 
But the top guys will always 

942
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,520
find a way to get their way 
through to the top. 

943
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,160
There's always, it always does 
work that way, but we just want 

944
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,760
to get the kids engaged with the
game and enjoying the game. 

945
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,600
So again, beside running what's 
called flag events and a flag 

946
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:58,040
event is a naval course, the 
holes are no more than 150 

947
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,440
yards. 
So the kids then have to try and

948
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,720
get around that course in 36 
shots or less. 

949
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,080
So that's. 
Great. 

950
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,920
The way we operate at that time 
is that little flags went around

951
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,040
then and so wherever you hit 
your 36 shot to you stuck it in 

952
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,520
the ground. 
We would then come along, 

953
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,320
register it. 
So the idea was to try and get 

954
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160
where you got to the 5th hole 
this week, right next week, 

955
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,640
trying to get to the 6th. 
And that was the goal was to try

956
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,000
and to get that's. 
Quite. 

957
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:28,880
That's a smart way to do it, 
actually. 

958
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,160
It's a great way and it's 
certainly for beginners as well.

959
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,400
There's there's no real pressure
on. 

960
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,600
Yeah. 
I've got to be home. 

961
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,880
It's not just you quite trying. 
You're beating yourself. 

962
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,160
You were you. 
You try and get to that next 

963
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,280
hole. 
And at that time, again, there 

964
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,160
was rules that we had and we've 
changed them over the years. 

965
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,560
But like, no, it's like you kind
of fresh ears don't care. 

966
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,960
What's the point depressing 
someone with that, right? 

967
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,440
If you can't go to the bunker 
after three shots, just pick up 

968
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,840
a throw it all. 
Yeah, man. 

969
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,760
If you go into water, you don't 
drop it back. 

970
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,320
Let's say you go over the water 
because we don't you keep it on 

971
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:05,760
hitting balls in the. 
Water. 

972
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,720
Yeah, and you can't have any 
more than 4 putts. 

973
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,200
So and then they say, OK, we 
know you also you cannot have 

974
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,240
any more than a 10 and a hole. 
So if you've had ten shot, pick 

975
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:24,560
up the next one. 
So we then created a almost like

976
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,400
a doodle belt system for it. 
So we said right, OK, we'll so 

977
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,640
it was to try and get the kids 
like you. 

978
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,680
There's some belongings some of 
you wouldn't get from it. 

979
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,080
So like every kid, doesn't 
matter who you know, if they're 

980
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,320
the worst golfer in the world, 
never ever played the game 

981
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,320
before, they'll always get to 
the 4th hole because they can 

982
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,720
only go 10/10/10, right? 
You're the 4th hole. 

983
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,520
So you got a white wristband. 
Oh, right, OK, that's big, 

984
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,880
right. 
What they get to to the 5th or 

985
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,040
you're red and white. 
Oh, right, I won't get a red and

986
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,800
white What they get to set or 
you got a red, red or red once I

987
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,240
get to the summit. 
Or you got A and it's a yellow 

988
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:07,680
and green, right, a green one. 
And then to the noise to stevia 

989
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,040
we made blue was if you go to 
the knife. 

990
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,920
So yeah. 
So again, it was basically so 

991
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,200
the kids who's almost like the 
judo belt, they can see 

992
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,360
themselves getting. 
So when kids were walking about,

993
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,040
they were not showing. 
They're showing off their 

994
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,440
wristbands and. 
That's probably because it gives

995
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,120
us about the competition without
getting caught up in what the 

996
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,400
actual number of the scorers. 
That's really good. 

997
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,080
It's closer. 
Man, again, the kids weren't 

998
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,800
going to watch my handicap. 
I was just forget about that. 

999
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
You're just learning the game. 
Yeah. 

1000
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,080
And from that, a game of that 
belief, as in that 150 yards in 

1001
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,080
is one of the most important 
parts in golf anyway, because 

1002
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,760
that's where you score. 
Totally, Yeah. 

1003
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:53,560
So we then created an item where
you had to score 36 on that to 

1004
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,680
then play in what we call the 
stroke play events. 

1005
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,520
So if you couldn't do that but 
didn't let you play in our 18 

1006
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,560
hole events or 9 hole events 
because you've got to learn that

1007
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,760
and they won't get kissed. 
Oh, it's too short from it. 

1008
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,880
Listen, if it's short, you 
should probably score. 

1009
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,920
This is about scoring because 
you know, the only jars they've 

1010
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,880
got you score. 
So we thought, no, you've got to

1011
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,200
stick to that. 
So we're fairly strict to other.

1012
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,520
We've changed it slightly as 
years have gone on. 

1013
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,040
So the idea was to complete 
that. 

1014
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:28,280
Then we want to date all events 
and 9 all events and they vary. 

1015
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,240
They can be off the red Tees or 
the yellow Tees again. 

1016
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,640
But we really want kids to try 
and get assembly with the the 

1017
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,840
flag ones is get them used to 
school on 36. 

1018
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,960
So they got so when they may 
help them, they expect to shoot 

1019
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,120
36. 
Yeah, no, they weren't. 

1020
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,000
That's chilling. 
Nice eights and nines and 10's 

1021
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,200
and hitting woods in every hole.
So we tried to again for the 

1022
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,440
younger ones, just make it 
right. 

1023
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,200
We only play 9 hole events. 
And again, we have a rule no 

1024
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:04,160
actually for if you're under 10,
but don't let you play 18 hole 

1025
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,440
events. 
Doesn't matter how you do. 

1026
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,680
And the reason for that is that 
over the years we've seen that 

1027
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,720
the kids, when they're in a rush
to get to the 18 hole event, 

1028
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,760
which is this, a lot of kids 
can't play that. 

1029
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,120
But at that age, you can see 
towards the end of probably 

1030
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,760
around about H13, they start to 
tire. 

1031
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,320
So this beautiful swing that I 
had as a kid starts to get 

1032
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,640
flatter and flatter. 
Yeah. 

1033
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,760
Flatter, and then the scores 
don't, and they go. 

1034
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,240
And that effects it affect long 
term your golf swing in your 

1035
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,440
paper. 
And then for me, we suddenly 

1036
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,120
believe I face it on the long 
term basis of it. 

1037
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,800
And then it also becomes that 
when they do that all the time, 

1038
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,400
it then gets hard to change that
flat back up. 

1039
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,720
Yep. 
And again, something the kids 

1040
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,680
that age are also which which I 
did as well and I got from my 

1041
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,720
dad, you get the hand me down 
adult clubs which are heavier, 

1042
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,680
so they can't really strain up 
that way. 

1043
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,800
So again, like the kids clubs 
nowadays, the US kids stop and 

1044
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,600
again, the golfer kids clubs, 
they're great because they're so

1045
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,640
white, so they can't get the 
beautiful swing. 

1046
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,480
But the idea is to try and mid 
Tina as the as they grow on. 

1047
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,280
So some things people are about 
to understand. 

1048
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,280
They want their kids to oh, but 
it's time to get it's good 

1049
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,600
enough. 
It's not being good enough. 

1050
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,600
It's like the long term because 
the objective is 1 begin to 

1051
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,320
become members of golf clubs. 
Yeah, we want them to be the 

1052
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,480
best golfer they can be when 
they're adults or if they want 

1053
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,200
to go international wise and we 
want so we try and sort of Fair 

1054
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,600
we can rein them back. 
This time's where we can't 

1055
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,840
leave, but you get you're always
going to get a player he's going

1056
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,040
to stand out without that, you 
know game we had the corner 

1057
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,800
grams and that this so these 
guys happen and you can't be 

1058
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,200
back under that talent, but 
99.9% of people will always try 

1059
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,040
and rein it back a bit. 
So let them enjoy happy if he 

1060
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,600
finds that easy, great shoot 28 
all. 

1061
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,560
Amazing after should be 
absolutely amazing. 

1062
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,000
Really. 
I was your confidence you. 

1063
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,560
Know sure so did you and they 
assume when you move up you'll 

1064
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,840
develop and always think back to
some of the things it was Tiger 

1065
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,520
was always just you know, 
playing your age group playing 

1066
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,280
what you you're good at like 
portrayalat is the same as that 

1067
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,600
preview the best 10 you know 
preview the best Let me know 

1068
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,640
please don't go 10. 
I won't be the best 16 year old,

1069
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,680
no beat that put the fear of 
death and the people at your own

1070
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,280
age range. 
And as you move up, everyone 

1071
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,680
becomes a bit scared, which is 
always what happened to Tiger. 

1072
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,080
You get to that mark when you 
turn up event, you go, oh 

1073
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,920
tigers, you went to everything. 
Yeah. 

1074
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,120
As opposed to going from 12 
while playing all these under 18

1075
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,320
events and where was it? 
It's good to get to do on 

1076
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,280
occasions because you get a bit 
development from it, but not not

1077
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,840
all the time. 
So we have them go to that level

1078
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,080
and then wants to play in these 
events which are handicap 

1079
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,120
events. 
Obviously they're then born into

1080
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,640
getting their handicap and 
scores and all the rest of it. 

1081
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,440
And then from that end, but then
we want to call the wagon 

1082
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,400
events, which is elite events 
and that's where you then get 

1083
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,400
the lower handicappers then 
performing with that. 

1084
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,680
So we'll have probably in about 
how many events we'll probably 

1085
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,720
have in the year, we'll follow 
up about 70 to 80 events in the 

1086
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,480
year that were run 70. 
To 80. 

1087
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,600
Yeah. 
So again, we'll have, again, 

1088
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,280
we're trying to incorporate 2 
events on one course. 

1089
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,440
So again, we'll have a flag 
event and a stroke play on that 

1090
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,920
same day just for helping 
management volunteers. 

1091
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,040
So you're doing them like Mad 
Week as well, Scott, in the 

1092
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,440
summer? 
Sundays, Sundays and the clubs, 

1093
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,360
to be honest with Scotland, have
been fantastic with us. 

1094
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,400
Again, primarily when we 
started. 

1095
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,240
We're in the Lothian area. 
We're now working in the Glasgow

1096
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,120
node, which is with Claire Marie
McCauley and Colin McCauley. 

1097
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Oh yeah. 
So again, they're doing work for

1098
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,800
us. 
They're in so obviously Calm's 

1099
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,960
pedigree and golf is fantastic, 
so that's a great thing. 

1100
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,240
And clearly for pro and all the 
rest as well. 

1101
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,920
So these are people who have got
great knowledge that they can 

1102
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,800
then pass on the kids at that 
area as well. 

1103
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,400
That's and again we try and 
spray the people we can, but 

1104
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,840
it's like anything else we can 
only do because at the moment 

1105
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,360
it's still only really myself 
and Stuart Johnson who again 

1106
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,000
played county golfer, won a 
championship this year. 

1107
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,160
It's all him and I that are 
really running the foundation. 

1108
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,400
The rest is working with the 
volunteers and the volunteers 

1109
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,880
we've got have been outstanding 
to be sort of not strong enough 

1110
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,960
word for them. 
They'd be fantastic and the 

1111
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,240
commitment that they're given to
to the junior golfers and that 

1112
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,040
as well as unbelievable. 
So we do try and spread it as 

1113
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,680
much as we can. 
So then we'll go eventually, 

1114
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,680
come on. 
But I say we're going up to 

1115
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,320
King. 
You see this year, which is a 

1116
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,440
new one for us, then we'll do 
Lockhorn Meadows and Fife and 

1117
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,840
we're always in the Lothian area
but go down the borders. 

1118
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,960
That's awesome. 
So we're trying to spread their 

1119
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,880
wings in a a real area and we're
throwing a couple of what we 

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01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,440
call right, that's what it is. 
But we're going an event in 

1121
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,760
Gothic and 1:00 in in 
Monmouthshire in Wales this 

1122
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:15,920
year. 
And that's purely to try and 

1123
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,160
give kids an experience of 
playing away from home because 

1124
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,920
it is different. 
You've got to stay away and 

1125
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:28,080
you're playing against no. 
And the standard in England, 

1126
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,440
Wales or England is probably 
maybe slightly higher wheels is 

1127
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,800
probably similar, but it's good 
just competition for them to 

1128
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,160
actually play in with that as 
well. 

1129
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,760
So again, but the other absolute
we've got from is our coaching. 

1130
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,960
We then go to coaching, we've 
got schools coaching who goes 

1131
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,200
on, but we go into about 15 
schools a year. 

1132
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,640
So we pick kids up from school 
team to driving range. 

1133
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,560
They got an hour's lesson, are 
Jane Conahan, PGA coach. 

1134
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,240
They then go back to school and 
they get that for six weeks. 

1135
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,920
That's brilliant. 
Then we throw in winter 

1136
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,520
coaching, worst squads and 
they've got 120 kids. 

1137
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,920
They coach them with Ian Ray, 
Neil Maher, Allison Mckechen, 

1138
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,080
Jane Connor. 
So we've got a Fairmont, Meldrum

1139
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:18,120
house, Kathkin Breeze, Golfit 
and Renaissance. 

1140
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,160
The kids get all that through 
the winter, etcetera. 

1141
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,880
And then we've got our own unit 
at Kingshield now we call our 

1142
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,400
Centre of excellence, which is 2
fantastic indoor bees. 

1143
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,680
We're putting lab and everything
in there for the kids in the 

1144
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,000
winter. 
They don't have to practice with

1145
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,560
four jerseys on our really out. 
That's awesome. 

1146
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:42,560
And how many kids do you think 
have participated over the 

1147
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,120
years? 
It must be multiple thousands. 

1148
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,880
Oh yeah. 
Well, we had, we had one, there 

1149
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,680
was one of them who did with 
active schools at one point. 

1150
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,760
It was 5000 kids in that one 
year that would be dealt with at

1151
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,600
that time. 
And like even just now we've got

1152
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,480
a mailing list which is I think 
the mail list again that they're

1153
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,400
not unless always going to be 
players, that's probably around 

1154
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,880
about 1800 at the moment. 
And the events we've got for 

1155
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,640
this year about 880 of 
registered to play in events 

1156
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:21,960
this year for every event. 
But that then covers the flag 

1157
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,480
events, so the flag events. 
And then we've got about 300 

1158
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,880
kids registered for that. 
And again, that's from each four

1159
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,240
through to 17. 
It's unbelievable. 

1160
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:38,520
So the numbers are are great and
I would say it's still sure and 

1161
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,720
I try to do the admin work and 
then when it comes from that and

1162
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,680
hence the reason why I've, I 
think I've not played 

1163
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,760
competitive golf now since 2010.
There you go. 

1164
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,160
So no medal plays since it's 
just I just don't have one. 

1165
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,920
I don't have the. 
Of the time. 

1166
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,480
I mean golf course is probably 
every weekend, but when I come 

1167
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,240
home I just I play a bounce 
game. 

1168
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,720
I play the four balls with the 
the guys like Wilson and Simon 

1169
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,720
and Stevie and and so play 
matches against each other and 

1170
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,640
best more for the banter than 
the prize 1. 

1171
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,160
That's awesome. 
Well, Scott, if people wanted to

1172
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,760
learn more about the Stephen 
Gallagher Foundation, how can 

1173
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,680
they learn more and get in 
touch? 

1174
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,280
And we would say that. 
Yeah, if you go into our 

1175
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,960
website, which is 
www.sgfoundation dot co.uk, that

1176
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,360
gives you the broad spectrum of 
what we have on it. 

1177
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,680
And there's a section in there 
called Ask Steven, which 

1178
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,480
basically tells you what we 
have. 

1179
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,240
And there's a path we have for 
it, which is so try to explain 

1180
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,080
there. 
That's all on there. 

1181
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,120
And similarly we're on Facebook,
Twitter, Instagram. 

1182
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,880
So everything's there. 
And again, on every aspect on 

1183
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,640
that, there's a point we can ask
questions. 

1184
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,760
So if there's anything you're 
not sure of or you think what 

1185
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,200
does that mean? 
And basically you send the 

1186
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,160
question in it, there will be me
who picks it up. 

1187
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,000
So as soon as I've got flooded 
880 questions a day, it's fine. 

1188
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,960
But yeah, so again, it's again, 
for everything we want to do, 

1189
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,040
it's all about making it easier 
for the kids and the parents as 

1190
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,280
well to enjoy events because 
like the flag events that sort 

1191
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,720
of go back a bit. 
They were the ones that were on 

1192
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,520
the that we do insist upon 
parents being there, right? 

1193
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,640
Again, part of that is 1 because
of the age of the kids. 

1194
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,880
And no, kids can't have meldings
with it. 

1195
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,440
And we don't want to be having 
too much. 

1196
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,800
I just want the kids to feel 
safe in the environment that are

1197
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,120
best. 
So if they've got an adult with 

1198
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,680
them, then that's easier 
etcetera for the kids to 

1199
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,000
maintain it. 
But also it helps the the 

1200
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,880
parents engage with the kids and
enjoy a day with their kid. 

1201
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,680
And again, we've had kids such 
as in the past where the kids 

1202
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,000
never played golf before, but 
now is the parents. 

1203
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:49,880
Yeah. 
And then within a couple of 

1204
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,200
years, they're both, they've all
joined golf clubs, the mum, the 

1205
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,720
dad, the pin, and all of a 
sudden they're playing golf as a

1206
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,920
family. 
So for us, that's, that's what 

1207
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,920
we want. 
That's what we that's that'd be 

1208
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,360
our ultimate goal. 
Again, it's in three years over 

1209
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,120
the events that we've had, we've
had the Bobs played in events, 

1210
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:13,000
Paul McIntyre, Uniphon, Connor, 
same Grant for they've all 

1211
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,840
played in events that have been 
to do with the foundation. 

1212
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,080
That's awesome. 
So it's great to see these guys 

1213
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,600
coming through, but my biggest 
enjoyment is going along and 

1214
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,800
seeing the five and six year 
olds bouncing down the freeway 

1215
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,480
with a dad carrying the B bag 
over and the kids run about 

1216
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,280
chasing after the ball, hitting 
it, running, chasing, hitting. 

1217
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,000
I got a bigger buzz over that 
than anything else because you 

1218
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,040
just see that they're having a 
bit of fun and you know that 

1219
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,960
it's a game that for age 5, 
they'll be playing the ball for 

1220
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,240
the next 80 years. 
Yeah, I think that's the best. 

1221
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,120
Thing to give you that 
possibility. 

1222
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,600
Yeah, you can play it for a long
time, can't you? 

1223
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,520
Yeah, it also gets the kids 
outside and the idea will be 

1224
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,560
from a foreigner as we do now, 
laptops. 

1225
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,720
But anyway. 
But yeah, if we can get the kids

1226
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,360
out outside, then I think it's a
win, win. 

1227
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,520
Absolutely. 
So listen, thanks so much for 

1228
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,080
joining us, Scott. 
It's been great to hear from 

1229
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,200
you. 
Great to hear about the Junior 

1230
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,720
Ryder Cup, Stevens Foundation 
and also some of your own 

1231
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,960
journey as well. 
Really appreciate and thanks for

1232
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,160
coming on. 
No problem. 

1233
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,960
Thanks so much for asking me and
all the best and. 

1234
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,080
I'd like to thank Scott Knows 
for joining me and sharing the 

1235
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,600
stories about his work with the 
Foundation and the Junior Ryder 

1236
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,000
Cup. 
Do check the show notes to find 

1237
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,360
out more about Stephen 
Gallagher's Foundation as well. 

1238
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,680
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1240
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,480
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