Welcome back to Linked by Golf, the podcast exploring the
journeys of people linked by the game.
I'm your host, Josh McGuire, and this week I'm joined by Scott
Knowles, the manager of Steven Gallagher's Foundation and the
Junior Ryder Cup vice captain at Marco Simoni and Bethpage.
In this episode, we discussed Scott's involvement with the
foundation, reflect on his own golf, and how the Steven
Gallagher Foundation is supporting thousands of kids to
get into the game. Let's go over to Scott.
Thanks for joining Scott Knowles.
Great to see. You.
It's here, Ross. Thanks for inviting me on.
Really looking forward. To that and Scott, we've got to
jump on straight to the Junior Ryder Cup.
So last year you were there for the Junior Ryder Cup.
What was that experience like for you?
It's hard to put things like that into words to be honest, as
an amazing experience again, because that's the second thing
we've done it we've done at the Marcus Simoni in 2023 and then
obviously the one in Bethpage. It's just a different a
different level. It's quite hard to describe as
important. It means to the kids and what
the feeling is just when you're there and how you well you
looked after. Again, the players themselves,
they're all top class players and to give an example, the
standard of some of these players, I can't remember that I
had to cap so much for for this year, last year, sorry, but 2023
worst ghetto was off plus seven. Wow, that was the worst of the
7th. And she was like, yeah, OK,
you're OK, but the other ones are better.
So it was like the standard is just like incredible.
So yeah, like when we talk about players trying to get into the
Junior Editor Cup, there's, you know, I'm off plus 2 + C double
chance. It's another level.
It really is like another level. The standard is is incredible.
And again, the Americans are just on that same level as well.
So in America, the golf was fantastic.
It was the kids didn't get and America didn't get the full
experience of what they had in the Marcus Simone.
And sadly that was the weather because it was, if you remember,
it was cancelled on the IT was the Thursday.
Yeah, it was the day when we generally have a the singles day
on the Bethpage and then meet the players there.
They have breakfast for the players.
They interact with the players who are playing the mean right,
the cup. They go into the stage.
But because of the weather, that was all just cancelled.
So it was basically about to then just play at the Nassau
course, which stunning golf course.
So you ever get a chance to go to play that?
I would recommend that greens were like table tops and they're
13 in the stand. And it was just a different
level for for our guys. But there's actually experience
of what how they looked after and how the the tour engages
with the players. You know, the diet stuff, all
the the big boots are sitting about.
We're getting the pressure on the legs and it's it's it's an
eye opener. I was more than attuned to this
time than I was the first time was the first time I was like,
you didn't know what to expect. Steve and I, we went over
without you and we're not going to get looked after.
But how well and it was different class.
The result wasn't as good this time we lost the game.
Remember the score. You never remember the score
when you lose, but I do remember on the singles and the final day
at the turn, we were actually leading and we thought this
could be the first time we ever win in America.
This is going to be. But the Americans, to be fair to
them, they pulled it out and played some fantastic goal from
the back nine and and just edged us out in the end.
But yeah, it's it's, it's a different level.
And match plays like that, right?
I mean, you can how many team games and for you, Scotland
games, county games, how many games have you played?
And the teams like, you know, nine holes and you're thinking
right here we go folks, we're going to run easy.
And before you don't have three parties getting beat.
It's crazy, isn't? It here there's a few games like
so two up, three up at the turn you're thinking, OK, this is
good. They could just hold out the
next mate. You turn around and one down and
you know that. But again, as you see a match
play, these things happen. Now you just learn that through
experiences and even when you have to the up, you might keep
pushing, put your feet on the pedal, keep pushing it forward
because you never know what we call what's what's around the
corner. Everything you think you bless
us that never would say that we been over there.
The junior of the cup for the kids was I would probably say
for again, not so much again for the American one because of what
didn't happen. But when I go back to the one
that Marcus Simone, obviously probably one of the best
experiences they'll ever get as a golfer unless they played the
right of the cup themselves, gave me an example of that.
Again, this is be one I will say Marcus Simone, which is
fantastic. So the presentation on the
stage, we're all up there getting the presentation with
the Steven Duty speech and all that such.
We then came back down to sit in the front row with the main
Ryder Cup where they're doing the notes in the teams.
When it all finished, the VIP guest, which we were classed as,
were to go through a certain door to get out, but there were
so many VIPs that we couldn't get out that way.
So they said like, can you just go through the tented village?
And the experience I think the kids had with that is that the
the fans realized who they were and started chanting Europe and
then put them on their shoulders and put them through.
So there's something again that you'll never experience, babe.
It was funny as well on on that stage.
There is that when we were there, Steve and I are sitting
with the players and we're looking about.
The VIPs are there and we're looking behind us, and there's
Lee Trevino, Ray Floyd, all that sitting right behind you.
You're thinking wow. So yeah, Steve, you're getting
starstruck as well as well as it.
Yeah, you're doing wow, look at look at, look at this.
And but the girls behind there was the girls we were sitting
with were saying, who are these old guys these?
Old guys just hanging around. Hi, who is that all day but in a
Djokovic coming in Gareth Bale, Kyle Sainz and all of course.
Forgotten. But they're not sure.
All the the ghettos and all that.
And the boys all knew who they were.
There was all a couple of boys who knew that there was Reef
Lloyd, Lanny Walker, all these guys were there.
You've got no idea who's sitting behind you here.
That's. Brilliant.
And then how do you? Again, again, that was sadly
we've been missed out with the American one and also in the
morning of the Marcus Simone again we're having breakfast in
the actual the main, the clubhouse and we're in there
early in the morning before the singles on the Thursday.
Yeah. Then Shane Lowry and Justin Rose
and that came in to speak to the kids, chat with them again,
mixed with them and just. Take a disaster, especially the
guys, the guys being current players and the Raider Cup, I
mean, that's just. Yeah.
Is there obviously a lifetime building up their own pressure
and everything that I want to deal with?
But then again, they were taking time out to meet the players,
chat with them and when the kids were getting interviewed, the
players were there, Jon Ram, all the rest.
They were sort of begin mixed with the kids and the kids.
It's just absolutely. Although again, there was
another message that there where I think Justin Rose went up to
the girls table and again the girl said, who's that?
OK, Google. It was a fantastic time in
Google, I know, but I can't imagine the experience could be
any better for that. The Marks money was better
suppose from Steven Eyes point of view because whether Scott
and the team Connor Graham who fingers crossed he'll be one for
the right of the cup at some point in the features himself
because he is a a quality player.
Yeah, absolutely. And how do you pack the team,
Scott? How does that come together?
Do you get help from all the kind of national associations or
is it yourself and Steven just working with different people?
How does? That, yeah, especially working
with the different national golf associations, but also there was
a set criteria, a number of events as a events for boys, 8
for the girls. It was basically the top three
in the ordinary merit were automatics.
So basically I was telling everyone, look, if you want to
play in the Junior Ryder Cup, here's the events and a bit they
were there again, the done of which was it was great was it
wasn't if you played in all the the better chance it was your
only your top 4 events only counted.
So I meant right as opposed to, you know, finishing 10th and
four and you know all 8. Then you may get enough points
to get the team know the ones who are either winners or up
there all the time. And then after that, Steve and I
then picked three boys and three girls, right?
And from that point again, but again, we're still looking at
that order of meta because in the thought, well, if you're
prepared to take your time out to play these events and you are
wanting to be there. And the two account of some of
the men's events that were going on at that time and then also
had to decide about parents as in, right, how we're going to
mix the teams up to be then take for the one that Marcus won.
It was like, because it's in Italy, well, we'd be good to
have an Italian get there. But again, I had to be there on
merit or be in contention with it.
And I think the parents on it and the similar one with the the
one America is then try to pick the best team.
But at the end of the day, so it's to pick the best team.
Notice it's always the best individuals and then that
applies for any team you're picking.
Everyone will think, oh, it's the best.
No, it's a team, you're building a team.
So if someone that you might think it's disruptive to a team,
then it won't be in it that for you never really had that very
often. But for the European one, it was
really just a case of looking at the top three and then we'll
then look to the next three down to see right of the how they
performed head to head against the next three down from that is
the other ones from them comparison wise to some of the
events that played in who did well?
And can you then go look at the courses that they played on now
again, because we knew we were going to Bethpage.
So that was going to be I think Beth is certainly the longest
course I've ever walked around, farthest Cleed.
It was an absolute. It was absolute monster.
That was the one thing I would see with Bethpage.
I was actually a bit disappointed with the way it was
said. I was the terms that stories
about Bethpage being a really long course, tight, long rough
holidays to it and the rough. There was nothing that the
fevers were quite white. The greens were generally pretty
flat. It wasn't massive the slopes on
them and speed wise they're in the decent speed, but they're
nothing again so skaty. So it was a bit it was a bit not
what we expected and it was sadly never got to play the
match on it. But again, of course for that
for the girls was something like 6500 yards.
So it was like that's. Tough in America.
So it's it's long for them, but yeah.
So yeah. So again, you take all that into
account and then you have to then obviously then speak to the
associations, their coaches as well to find their right again.
So for our picking, they were about 3 or 4 from the French
team, right. Again, speaking with theme to
say, well, do they play matches together and they're doing their
own international matches? Are they appearing?
Who gets on with who? What sort of personalities out
there with them? Because Steve and I love.
You so it's easy for a guy. The cats are coming from
different countries as well. And you might not necessarily
have spoken so much English. So we kind of get this thing of
everybody speaks English, but usually cats there's there's
different levels within different countries and
eventually many of them obviously end up fluent.
But yeah, it's definitely stages for them.
Or wasn't. Yeah, it's very much so like
that because again, there's some was like in, you know, if you've
got some of the you know, if you had the Scottish person in the
team, my broad accent trying to speak to everything, they would.
Sorry, I've got no idea what you're saying, but just don't
get it. So you've got to balance that as
and we're looking at parents. And then also because of the
fact of the the way the Gene Ryder Cup was set up, it's this
mixed 4 thumbs in it, 4 balls, right.
So again, you've got to balance as and right.
Well, you've got a Scottish kid to the French girl located.
Don't speak understand each other.
They're not really good Nestle jail when they're so you've got
to consider that when you're looking at who goes with you as
well. So, yeah, so there's quite a lot
of moving about and then begin to see when I only maybe see
them once or twice during the year.
And then also we've got them together for that period of
time. So we'll have a short period of
time and practice to really get the the parents sorted out as
and we'll have a sort of plan before we go about the speed to
the coaches. But then there's nothing better
than seeing that people performing have what they are
like on the golf course for us to make a decision, right, To
tweak that. Do we change that to yeah,
there's a lot more to them sometimes what people think on
it. OK, I'm watching it and
logistics as well, trying to get all these cuts from all these
different countries. Oh, totally safely, make sure
they're OK. Get them out to America.
It must be must be stressful in many ways as well.
This this this the battle of staff of the the 2 are are
absolutely amazing to be how the the organized things were Ed
Johnson, Ed sorry and Marsha and I except who were with us at the
time. They were fantastic and making
sure that everyone was in place for the kids.
But it's like we were playing the one in America.
There was kids who were playing in the world, junior one up in
Canada. So some of the players were
coming from Europe to America and some were coming from Canada
to come down, but they couldn't come down to the South of the
night. So they couldn't mix early on
with the players in the South. So again, it was traded the
logistics of getting them all together and then then mix it
from and then at your game, but it's all finished as well.
Is it? Some of the kids were then
finally to Singapore to play in the Speedo Santos.
And then there was some that were then having to go to
college and some that would go back to school.
So like generally what happens is that after the event, the
kids get to go to the main Ryder Cup for the the rest of the
trip. Right.
So they stay on and then they get to the first tee to see the
players go in and teeing off and chatting with players before
they tee off and the ride they got again, some of the kids had
to get back because they either all of these boots were going
somewhere or they were playing another event or they were going
to cut the college wanted them back for a certain read.
So there's so many things at all with it and the back room staff
that are amazing. So I took a lot of the pressure
away from CBI as far as that was concerned.
Maybe just had to be aware of right well, they've and there
was a couple that had to leave. It was almost after the
presentation. So Susan presentation was done.
It was like all right, see you there They're off to another
another tournament somewhere else.
Wow, that's amazing. Many pros.
Yeah, I was going to say like if an assembly was the other life I
was age, but. If.
He took, if he took me here 17, you're like, hey, do you want to
go and play before the Raider cut?
And by the way, you can stay there.
You just wouldn't have moved. Which are you?
Just like, I'm here all week. I'm staying, I'm watching.
I'm going to watch everybody golf.
I can. Yeah.
Well, the cuts are so involved in many other things now.
They're just on the next tournament.
That's so just bizarre. No, they are again that the
standard say the standard the players at that level are it's
hard to escape, have higher standard that is that you've got
a team to get into that team. Yeah, as a corner game with
these we won our exceptional talents in Scotland and he was
by no means a guarantee to get in the team, but he had a spot
and got his spot and deserved it and done brilliantly for us is
fantastic golfer. But it is a hard to think, it's
hard to get into the national team, right?
You then they look to, right now we're looking at the whole
Europe and there's all, there's only six boys and six ghettos.
So it's not as if it's there's a massive chance for you to get
that position. It's like a squad of 50 you're
taking. That's incredible.
It's not like it's a squad of 50.
No, it's just 12. I mean, it's nothing and.
One of the girls I think she won from the Marcus Simone, Helen
Brima, German girl. I think she turned pro about a
year or so after them, won four or five LET events on the trot.
Was like Gee, but she was a phenomenal.
I always remember her saying to us that the Marcus Simoni was
too short for her. My God, but.
Again, because she only could, she only had a driver like
because of the way the teaser set for the girls was, she only
had a driver twice, right? One of us to head onto a green
300 yards away. So the other ones were she said
that it's too tight, it's only 15 yards at my hitting point.
So she had her rescue club to stay back to to see the finale
driver just so one or not. That was that's incredible.
That's incredible. Just a year later, she's on LET
and one of. Events with the Junior Cup
Remember this is be revolved with the junior pro in France,
right. That is that played in the the
junior triad and it was Nicholas Olgaard was in front of us as an
amateur. He's in the junior Ryder Cup.
So it's like tear that back from 2019 that both the brothers have
played in it. That's it wasn't pretty natural
Ryder Cup. So there is a there's a few that
are that good that they can't then jump from that into the
main Ryder Cup. And that doesn't often happen
like I'm sure, and you've got our experience score from
Scottish national teams. The sort of pathway is not as
straight as it's just not a straight Rd.
No, as people fall off for various reasons, it's not
because they're not a good golfer.
There's lots of different things in Lifeguard in the way.
Well, that's The thing is golf is there an individual game and
there's so many different facets that can change your course of
where you're going. So either best player game, but
obviously we're dealing with a lot of the youngsters.
So the best 10 year old, the best child, we're best 14 year
old doesn't mean they're going to be the best adult golfer, the
best at that time. That could be because of the
technique could because of their size, could because of their
mentality side. And then when they get to
teenage with teenage years, that can be anything.
Again, if he distracted with various things, it's just life.
And then when they get older there's all again.
But the one of the big thing is our biggest things there for
kids, certainly at that level is the costs.
The costs. I think even playing, if you
played in they call the Scottish circuit and played in our events
or the juniors tour event or whatever, it'll cost you about
£15,000. Wow.
Because what the 10th free is, there've been a junior plays an
event. They generally go as a family.
Yeah. So it means the family's staying
over Friday, Saturday, Sunday, right.
OK. So that's the cost for that, the
travel to get there. And then it's the case of right,
where there's 10 events in that year, there's 12 events you've
got to play in to try and get. So it becomes quite it's it's
it's tough just trying to manage that costume for them and then
try and get courses in areas where more people can actually
gather together. I don't think there's an easy
answer to as unless like I know a lot of the other countries
they support, again, because they have the money to support
the players. Scottish golf don't Scottish
golf don't have any money, to be honest.
Yeah, I remember we told us in Spain, Mercia.
They have some like 4 million the use towards development for
the players. My goodness, that's it's crazy.
I think that we've got many. 100,000 that it's just that's
just for all the team or four and whatever the money is, it's
certainly not that level. You think the number of golf
courses we've got, an amount of tourism that comes to Scotland
for golf and how big a game is in the country, that sounds like
it's an all my own, doesn't it? So again, again, I get like, you
know, a lot of people don't pay fees, etcetera, the Scottish
call for things, etcetera, but that itself will determine how
they have the kids or how the players do end up performing.
Yeah. And everyone says, oh, it's not
due with money. No, it is.
It's a background, you can't ignore it.
You don't want it to be a part of the.
World you can't travel some event you're not.
Yeah. And then there's might be
coaching. Yeah.
And there's your golf fees. There's just getting to normal
golf, the airplane, Yeah, the time that that takes.
So it's a huge commitment. But I say it's a difficult one
and again there's no probably easy answer for certainly for
ourselves, but it would be like I think the the fee for the
Spanish golf that they pay €80 per person we pay, I can't
remember what we are now, but 20 odd pounds.
Right. So.
But again, the allocates half of that money goes to development.
And then again they have, we're speaking to you in some of the
countries, they have houses in various countries which they
take teams away because again, the money, I see the money,
there's some that they bought houses in Switzerland, Spain for
that basically just training. So they take a team away and
they stay over there, but they own that place.
So then they can go there as many times they want, do what
they want with it. That's incredible.
It's a different and it's again, you can.
These things are all fantastic if you have the money.
Yeah. But it's getting the money,
which is, as we know, it's not exactly the easiest thing in the
world to do, but it does then restrict a lot of the
opportunities that people can have.
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And even from our point of view, always engaging kids into the
gulf, which is our mainstay on it.
But then if we've got kids who get to a same level, nobody
would love to be able to help them.
But there's no way to be in a position to say there's £10,000
for you to go and do this or or even 1000 lbs to go and do this.
So that goes. That's a different.
Different level of cost and come up in there, isn't it?
Yeah. And that's what you're looking
for your national bodies to probably take that on or to an
extent per say that it's really tough for them or that you then
have to look for entrepreneurs of people who have got money or
are able to, to then access that and deal with that.
But again, that's that's not an easy thing because there's so
many other things that are out there at the moment.
Exactly. Yeah.
And Scott, we've jumped straight and to the Raider company.
We're starting to get towards the the foundation work there as
well, but we'd love to go back and find out more about how you
got into the game and and what you're totally just like.
So what got you started in golf back in the day?
Well, some people think I got started with Hickory clubs the
way back in the day, but honestly, I was there was metal
clubs about when I was playing. Well, the bizarre thing for me
when I was a junior, I never won anything.
I never won one. Oh, men, yeah, I was.
I was off scratch of age, probably age 15, but just never
won anything. That's incredible.
You've got to. Turn around the camera and the
sort of trophy, a cabinet feel like 100 trophies, so I didn't
really want anything. No, I had that that time there
was a trying to win it. I think I won an under 12 event
once that was that was a bit. It was bizarre because then I
think again, when I was always at school then I was I was
playing all afraid of games. Like with Ian Young.
I used to practice a lot with who always, I don't know if you
remember Ian Young used won the Scottish PG and all that stuff.
So I used to play a lot with them and Chad Dave Barry used to
play a lot but and practice a lot.
But for some reason it just never happened.
And then it was bizarrely, but I was just turning 18 was our last
year as a junior. I played in the Scottish boys
Dunbar and I got beat in the first round.
So that's here we go again. No, it's the third round they go
be in. I got beat.
So they're OK right. So I carried from a friend at
the time, a Chap D beverage and they carried for him and he got
to the semi finals and he played a column Montgomery in the semi
finals. And that's going to realize how
much little I knew about goal because I'm looking at column
and Gromby thinking a string that is that will never last in
the wind. So he's done it right since
then. But then after that, after that,
I went to get a lesson from Jim Farmer Dunnison and I remember
getting the lesson with them and my first fourteen shots were
Shanks. Now I'm thinking, Oh God, I'm a
what am I doing here? This is just and he gave me just
two simple things to work on my technique and see me just
twiggling. Oh right.
And he sits with a tasty Luke stop try to be a hitter, your
swinger and that's you go. All right, never thought about
that. And then two weeks later I won
the Lothians County Championship, the men's, and
that was the first thing I ever won and it.
Was just through the stroke play and then the match play, yeah
together. So that's not huge event.
As a master again, because again, you had all the the ones,
the top ones at the time and and the Lothians were all playing in
it. And I'm this this young purpose
stopper who's this and I was I could attain the youngest
several winner and it was just sort of bizarre.
But then by that time I'd already started the job within
the bank and so I was being tried combined golf and banking
and I identified that too easy to be honest, because again,
you're just doing the banking exams and everything goes from
it. So the next thing I won was what
is, was it a 24? Six years after that I won the
East of Scotland, London Lynx. And despite the fight I was
working, I was still trying to play in the the weekend events
if I could, like the Cameron Corbett and the yeah, being the
gold medal and East of Scotland SE West of Scotland at the time.
But again, I was sort of rushing to get there, then rushing to
get back to get back to work. And then at east of Scotland.
The one problem was always I'm Achilles heel was my driving.
I was that was tend to get me in a bit more trouble than any
else. Mayors were always fairly it's
always fairly good. And at that event east of
Scotland, again, my dad was cagging from us.
So we drive up, take the clubs out to beat the car.
Ready. You go on the first round and
I'm going. Where's my driver?
My dad said. I took it out and I left it in
the house. He actually took it.
Out it's she what's that? I'm afraid I'm telling you and
you're not listening, I said. So if you've all got it, you
can't play with it. Suffer that's.
Brilliant. Right, OK.
Today. So I think I shot some like I
can't remember the scores were sorry, 6771 with a three-week.
I was like and like I was leading by a couple of shots.
After the first day I thought, OK, it's.
Also I think yes. I so went back home with that
said, do I put the driver back in there?
But no, it's fine, just leave it.
Just leave it there, yeah. So then I carried on the three
with again on the Sunday and went on to win it.
So it was like right, OK, so I don't really have to hit the
driver all the time, do no right, OK, point taken by again
a case like ever were told before.
Then life sort of gets in the view with things.
So again, by that time I was then married.
So again, there's the commenders from that side of it again,
buying a house by. So again, it was like my life
probably at that time was I was playing a league match for the
club on a Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday was was was sort of
work time and spend time with my family.
And that Thursday was maybe a little bit of practice.
Friday, if possible, try and get up late at night to try and get
a practice round. If I couldn't get that was just
to get to the venue. Then you had two round Saturday,
2 round Sunday and then back to work on the Monday and then
doing that full cycle. So I was doing that for I did
that for 20 years. So I think it now and there was
most weeks, but bizarrely it was when back, you know, in 1990
when I became the Scottish golf of the year, the bizarre thing,
but that was but that time I had two young kids.
So the two year old and just born at that time.
So it was bizarre that how it it was almost like that took my
mind off a bit of golf because I've now got the family to think
about. And so it was whether or not was
more relaxed or not. But then I did change job at
that time to become a sales agent, the Co-op insurance.
So I had time during the week I could set my time to.
So I made ways. It was my day off so I could
then play. And over the winter, that winter
I played in the alliances. So it was against the pros and I
was winning events and that event.
So that so it gave me a bit of confidence to go, OK, I can't
really compete with these guys now.
And then the start of 1990 I think I finished about 5th at
Craig Miller, which I probably had a chance to win it but I
didn't take it. But I was really I'm really
quite glad of good start to the season.
Finished fifth and then went to the West of Scotland and I won
the West of Scotland and Philadelphia picked Andrew
Coulter back at that time. Bird did the last two holes at
Coder to beat him by shot. That's not easy.
That's two tough holes as well. So that was really what Elliot
ever went. OK, so down the stretch I can't
do I can't hold it together. And then I think I finished in
the top five and about 10 events in the year.
It was just a one trying elsewhere.
One end up winning the Southeast at the end of the year to cement
the winner in the Scottish or the Romera.
But then I finished third at the lengths I was, I think at that
time the only unseeded player to be seeded in the Scottish
amateur. That's a non internationalist.
Sorry to be seeded in the homeland nationals, right.
That was really because how I performed at the start of that
year. It was like, well, you're in the
top 8 now, so you're not on the team yet, but you're going to be
into that. But so that sort of gave me that
stepping stone from that. And then they take pill hard to
again coached in the Scottish setup which it was Bob Torrance,
which it was like. Oh, were you Bob Torrance as
well? At the same time, no, you can't
tell arcs. That's right and McLeod and all
that. And so it was like, well, you
can talk to Bob Torrance. So you know, you can't get any
better now. He's the best.
He'll meet you better meet you this, meet you that.
And I remember went to driver was terrible.
You'll you'll find them terrible with names and courses, but went
to Spain for the coaching and Bob again was doing his coaching
with us and I think he's he's trying to get me.
I was always afraid of the ball. Everything was a fade.
He decided I'll try and get it to, you know, you've got to hit
what draw some because at that time with Sam, everything was a
draw power to draw. No, you can't have a fade, son.
You go ahead with draw, right, OK, right.
So he's came, he's doing techniques to draw.
And again, I remember hit the first four or five shots, only
hit them with five yards and he just hit again.
He's what he said, right. So that's your best swing.
I'm going you're peace. I've got to say five years.
Keep doing that. If you work on that about six
hours, 8 hours a day, you'll be you'll be fine.
I'm good. I've got two kids working so.
No chance to do nothing. No, no, no.
That's again Bob. Bob, he was a phenomenal person.
He was just a phenomenal guy, but phenomenal coach.
But if he's one of those guys that it was basically work ethic
and you had to do all the time. And sadly for me, I just never
had that time. But they tried to incorporate
the following year and to be honest, I was then trying to hit
drawers and head out of bounds. I was just, it just wasn't.
I thought, God, this is just. If you don't know, if you're not
even sure what you're trying to hurt, you're going to struggle,
aren't you? If you're not clear as I draw
what I feed and you're just struggling.
With what I knew, if I stand up, if I hit this, it's going to go
down the middle. And again I was 1980 a very
straight driver but this time so again it will drop a sort of
feed irons feed so Lance up fine.
And the game of the courses back then score was really set up for
that. I mean, you'd be playing a lot
of likes golf as well. You don't need to smash it miles
back then. You want to keep a law, get a
better run on it, he told me. AP and back in back in the days
it was more about like no, it's all about hit the ball long
swing speed and all the rest which is fine but back there it
was basically keep on the short stuff yeah in the even more
chances at the score. So before that in 81 didn't do
much. So played in the nationals and
whatever then that's fine. And then and.
What was I was going to ask? What was I like to get in the
Scotland team? What did?
It was great. Again, like the players that
were trying to declare on the team at the time.
Yeah, the game, the corners shares the Stevie Gallagher's,
the Dean Robertson's and Tricolta.
Raymond Russell, Jim Milligan, Alan Thompson, Olson Bryson,
Gavin Laurie, Sam McKenzie. Just a fantastic bunch of guys.
Stevie. What?
I say what I say a golfers incredible.
Phenomenal the the guys that we played with yeah again Sam
McKenzie who's the one of my my best friends though he played
with us first year 1990. I think he went on to play for
the next 20 years, but he was a fantastic, yes, yes, fantastic.
And but again, the standard of players at that time, which is
hard, that's good now. But back then it was, it was
like, wow, in Gorshire he was flying at that time.
Stevie obviously was flying at that time.
They had Steven Dandas who'd won the British Amateurs and he had
Craig Watson was in the most all that as well when another
British champion. So there were so many guys at
that time and the great thing is we're all just friends.
There was no like he's been. There was just well, competing
each other. Wolf fought hard to beat each
other. Some you win, some you lose, but
there was no animosity with it. It was all good fun.
Wilson was all Wilson. Bryson was always the best 1 he
beat. Please listen to this.
Just because you said no, I'm holding a lot of putts against
him. He didn't leave.
Well he would act like he did the whole any putts himself.
Watch. I always say he's terrible at
parting but he hold a number of putts.
I used to Cardiff for him, he was pretty good with a short
game. But not again, but again,
probably that this is an example of like you think the best team
or one of the teams should. Either it's always the best
players, make the best team or whatever, you get the best
results. We had a team where it was.
It was impressive. I think the 10 performed that
well. The whole nationals, that was in
92. I'm trying to do this.
Go on. Sherry, Stevie Gallagher, Steven
Das, Jim Milligan, Alan Thompson, Wilson Bryce and
myself. I think the I've tried the other
guys who are missing, Mr. Gavin Laurie.
I think we lost like 11311, so 11, four and some of 12/3 in the
cup of the matches. We just got hammered and I was
depressed and you're thinking, but these guys how you go?
But it just didn't happen. It's just.
The day is really, I mean, you yourself score.
You would, I'm sure. You turn up to sometimes club
games, county games, Scotland games.
One day you turn up and you shoot 7 under.
Next day you turn up, you shoot a couple under, another guy
shoots 5 under. And that's the kind of level
you're talking. People who are just capable of
crazy stuff. Yeah, crazy scores.
Like again, even back then we played the home and actually
again, the the the strongest team like at that time is but
not strongest team, but the best team is with the Irish team.
But again, that was a Podrick down in Clark.
And probably it wasn't as if they were they were rubbish.
It's just it was a different, a different, they were just again,
another, another level etcetera. But as well.
But again, you'd take a lot of friendships etcetera with people
at that time. Let's say a night to they're
trying well and they two O 1 again, the east of Scotland
again and I won. What else do I not you Craigmor
Parker won at the start of the year.
And then I won the East of Scotland again and I finished
second in the Scottish goal for the year.
It was Dean Gateman, but Dean, I finished second to Dean in the
Scottish stroke play. But that was a bizarre one
because there was a Morn Hall and I was leading after three
rounds. I was, I thought I had a three
shot lead with two hosts to go because I was saying McKenzie
was the nearest person I thought was in that.
So he's not some three shots ahead.
I'm thinking fine, we got the 17th tee and there was three
groups on the tee, which is a par three.
Yeah. What?
Such has been a big hold up. So all right, OK, right.
And then Somerset come back to it.
Did you have a Dean away? Poor bidding.
Oh, he's birthday some like 6 to the last eight holes.
I was like, what? It's like what he says.
Yeah. So you're now one ahead to Dean.
Was it because Dean Dean's finished?
Right. OK, so, so again, the from our
point of view, it was about half hour weight on that Part 3 and
then I missed the green then up and down and I thought right,
OK, back to one level now with them.
So then we went they went down 18, hit about 10 minutes to talk
about how my T-shirt down 18. And then I had to wait for 20
minutes to hit my second shot because they were waiting for a
ruling for a game in front. And I was like, oh, come on,
somebody, somebody. Something got you a break.
So again, missed, missed, you know, the right hand side did up
and down. It was like OK, wow, but that
and then even Dean came up after when he basically is sort of big
manner, but just I had one of those bike nights and The thing
is the Dean you always knew he could do that.
He was a phenomenal, phenomenal golfer, a great player and again
also he's doing fantastic well, but stunning unknown also with
the Walker Cup. He's just done as well it.
Was an incredible set of players that came through at that time,
wasn't it? I mean, you've got Tom, but
Dean, Robertson, Bartley, Howard, Graham, Rankin, oh, all
these guys. Barclay and Graham, yeah,
they're brilliant. Again, there was, there's so
many. There was a lot of characters
again about that time and again, all different personalities.
There was again, Graham was always, I'm going to beat you
into some money. He was going to beat everybody.
He's just probably. Alternator.
Yep, I was talking to his boss saying I'm going to kill you and
just and he did. He's his teeth, but he was a he
was a fantastic character. But then he has a game like the
guys like again, that were seeing that Warren Kelly, David
Patrick and all that were coming through at that time and and
lofty, my Loftus here. So it was a clean cup of guys
that were evolved and he had to, I would see a sort of journeyman
in the the main events like again, sort of Les McLaughlin
and our side with Alan Hogs, Scott Walker, various ones who
were in that. So yeah, there was it was a
great, a great technically, to be honest, but it was again, a
different time because of that time.
There's just so people would call those full time amateurs.
There was a lot of them just starting to come through that
time, but there was there wasn't many.
Our business probably that phase it started changing a lot about.
Yeah, it was because it was at that time the result there was
still like even Jamali was working that thing to kind of
more working and playing golf and then it started to flip as.
And right now, damn, I would just say they started to come
through with and. Probably, I think that would
have been around the time the lottery funding started.
I mean it was a huge amount of money, but it's probably not for
guys that they could maybe do a part time job rather than full
time and then they could practice the rest and.
Go the the support you got back, but there even if you go back,
probably the teams with Bob McIntyre and you'd Ferguson, the
support they got back then is we ahead of what is now.
Because I remembered like Lofty was done about the times he was
playing international matches in Italy, Spain and all that.
And they were you had countries come over to Scotland to play
international matches. That doesn't happen though,
because the schedule. Like Australia and stuff like
that as well from the Lake Macquarie and all those offence.
They still go to the South Africa through the yuan, Rupert
the support he gives the Scottish golf without which is
great. Yeah.
But then that's more or less it now there's not I remember back,
you know, plenty E France, plenty of Sweden.
There was international matches that were going at leaving or
whatever, but there's none of that really now.
And that's again, because the schedule is is so busy now with
so many events and the European structure is now a lot stronger
and the events are a lot bigger there now.
There used to be in the leaving gold medal was a go to event.
No, you remember Lee Westwood when there played in it.
I remember Robert Carlson playing a Hanson playing it.
So I remember these guys playing it.
But no, that doesn't happen. Yeah, it doesn't happen.
Don't come here and a lot of us again is down to things like
Wagger and everybody else that comes from it for free again.
Like at that time it was I was more than a enjoyed all the
times etcetera with individuals for but team was the I love
cleaning the team stuff. And the Scotia Championship is
probably my biggest one as far as a record goes.
Like I've won it 6 times. So I've got 6 gold medals with
it and it's I think that's a record.
But then there's captain the Orleans team as well.
So I won that four times as a captain the Lothian.
So with 10 medals with that. And that's purely and it's the
team environment. 6 again players going away Mixon,
Gellen, Bonden and again with that with the Lothians, the game
we were spot with choice goes to the area size, the area we are.
So we had like this game is going back a bit tiny.
George McGregor. Two players are now sadly have
passed Brian Shields, Jim Doom, who's sadly no longer with us
again fantastic players. Then go back, Yeah, down to
Colin Brooks, Kenny Walker's, Stevie's Mood.
And then you obviously got Stevie Gallagher and two unsung
heroes in the William Stuart Smith, Keith Nicholson.
Fantastic. Keith Nicholson, Yeah, he could
play. Keith Nicholson can't play.
He's again both both of them again stunning up again.
They just didn't have the time to travel to go away and play
other events, but it'd be to the morning Lothians and you are
you're going to have to play some rethinking golf to be.
They were fantastic golfers. Yeah, it was.
We probably as you get older, you always look as you eat.
It was a golden eater, but it was, I don't know, I'm sure the
guys now will be thinking this is a golden eater.
Honestly, I mean, I can oblige that guy probably, but I'm just
about younger than you score. And I would have been like a
junior and I carded for Wilson some of those times.
And honestly, I look back and like the amount of golf that
guys were playing was just phenomenal.
For a start, it was incredible. And all the 36 holes.
Yeah. Yet virtually half the Scotland
team coming to play a 36 hole, potentially the full Scotland
team played a 36 or I don't think that actually harms
anymore really. No, it's a different, it's a
different environment. Now it's Morgan.
Eighteen holes and they don't play in more than eighteen holes
a day. That's with how they wanted to
be back in our time. It was, it was 70 holes every
weekend. I remember Bloomberg Barclay was
in a European, you'd been sighted to play with, sighted to
play European individual Del Mohoy and he was raging and I
was like what are you raging about?
Said this is costing me £600. Oh, he said.
Because the Hamilton and the Bothell Castle 36 holes were on
this weekend and I always win them.
It badly probably did and he probably would.
He was a phenomenal hello. But he was ratings.
He had paid for school. He was just costing me money.
I could be earning money. I heard stories about those guys
and it'd be like them. And if they want to play good,
it was like, MMM, Falker traced us tomorrow.
Maybe I'll miss a couple. Said that not the road.
Oh, it's a shame. You come back, you've made the
cut. No, I'm halfway up the up the
road now. Yeah.
So it was it was 70 hours. So 70 hours in the weekend was
it was a norm. It was a norm.
It was a norm, wasn't? It you played played on The
Saturdays Thursday souls, you went out Saturday night with
your your wife or partner. The you're up early in the
morning to the N 86 souls and then on Monday you're at work
and then you had the league match in the Monday.
Then you there'll be a bit of practice in between it and.
Between say, different times. Oh, well, think back then.
No, I just, I don't know, enjoyed the time, loved the
time, but I was like, my God, does that do what right?
Yeah, yeah, fine. Absolutely.
But nowadays it's eighteen holes is yeah.
And so that occasions when I hear people saying, oh, I'm
tired. I'm yeah, OK.
Exactly. And that's a great, it's a great
segue score into your work with the Stephen Gallacher Foundation
because we've talked about a lot of the guys that Stephen would
have known that you would have known.
And then that's obviously given both of you, especially Stephen
starting of course and getting you to run it, the inspiration
to put the foundation in place. So I'd love you to talk about
that and some of the work you're doing with the cats and just
throughout golf. Well, again it was again back in
2012 at both sides there was seem I had been speaking to Paul
Laurie and you know, Paul was doing it with this foundation
seemingly he was always wanting to give someone back to Junior
Golf. So he was contemplating then how
he's going to do things and what was the ball with it.
And at that time I'd been working with then the financial
industry for 30 odd years. Subsequent, about six months
before Stephen decided to do this, I'd thought, you know
what, I want to get out there. I want to know try and give
someone back to golf myself or do something within golf.
And so maybe stupid or unwise, I don't know where I'd say to pack
my job and altogether, because I thought if I I keep on going ham
and I'm going to do it and I'm working.
So I thought, no, just cut ties with the work finish.
I could afford to do it. Fortunately for a year or so,
there was three or four months I was thinking, Oh my God, was
this a good idea. Then Stephen sort of called me
and just out the way I said, look, you do anything?
I said, well, at the moment, no, but would you like to help me
run my foundation just to get started?
I mean, what you're looking to do?
Well, we're going to go up to see Paul have a chat mom, what
they do, how they set up and we'll want to get that
established down this area. So Paul obviously is the north
and we'll beat. All right, OK, so we started
from there went up and it was it was August, September come
November, but then say rail cable are going to do this and
see what she live about June. Do you want to get this set up
for us to say right, OK, we'll get a surface.
It's just part time. So that's fine.
It's involved with golf, dealing with kids love it.
I'm I'm up for doing doing that. So it was in Feb 29th of
February. Bizarrely, 2012 is when it all
officially started. So again, the, the, the concept
has always been and always will be is just to get kids to play
golf and join local golf clubs. If we get the next superstar,
great, because again, we still have a belief even with
ourselves as, and if you're good enough, it doesn't matter what
the system is, you'll come through, it'll come through.
It's just you have to set systems up to give more people
opportunity. But the top guys will always
find a way to get their way through to the top.
There's always, it always does work that way, but we just want
to get the kids engaged with the game and enjoying the game.
So again, beside running what's called flag events and a flag
event is a naval course, the holes are no more than 150
yards. So the kids then have to try and
get around that course in 36 shots or less.
So that's. Great.
The way we operate at that time is that little flags went around
then and so wherever you hit your 36 shot to you stuck it in
the ground. We would then come along,
register it. So the idea was to try and get
where you got to the 5th hole this week, right next week,
trying to get to the 6th. And that was the goal was to try
and to get that's. Quite.
That's a smart way to do it, actually.
It's a great way and it's certainly for beginners as well.
There's there's no real pressure on.
Yeah. I've got to be home.
It's not just you quite trying. You're beating yourself.
You were you. You try and get to that next
hole. And at that time, again, there
was rules that we had and we've changed them over the years.
But like, no, it's like you kind of fresh ears don't care.
What's the point depressing someone with that, right?
If you can't go to the bunker after three shots, just pick up
a throw it all. Yeah, man.
If you go into water, you don't drop it back.
Let's say you go over the water because we don't you keep it on
hitting balls in the. Water.
Yeah, and you can't have any more than 4 putts.
So and then they say, OK, we know you also you cannot have
any more than a 10 and a hole. So if you've had ten shot, pick
up the next one. So we then created a almost like
a doodle belt system for it. So we said right, OK, we'll so
it was to try and get the kids like you.
There's some belongings some of you wouldn't get from it.
So like every kid, doesn't matter who you know, if they're
the worst golfer in the world, never ever played the game
before, they'll always get to the 4th hole because they can
only go 10/10/10, right? You're the 4th hole.
So you got a white wristband. Oh, right, OK, that's big,
right. What they get to to the 5th or
you're red and white. Oh, right, I won't get a red and
white What they get to set or you got a red, red or red once I
get to the summit. Or you got A and it's a yellow
and green, right, a green one. And then to the noise to stevia
we made blue was if you go to the knife.
So yeah. So again, it was basically so
the kids who's almost like the judo belt, they can see
themselves getting. So when kids were walking about,
they were not showing. They're showing off their
wristbands and. That's probably because it gives
us about the competition without getting caught up in what the
actual number of the scorers. That's really good.
It's closer. Man, again, the kids weren't
going to watch my handicap. I was just forget about that.
You're just learning the game. Yeah.
And from that, a game of that belief, as in that 150 yards in
is one of the most important parts in golf anyway, because
that's where you score. Totally, Yeah.
So we then created an item where you had to score 36 on that to
then play in what we call the stroke play events.
So if you couldn't do that but didn't let you play in our 18
hole events or 9 hole events because you've got to learn that
and they won't get kissed. Oh, it's too short from it.
Listen, if it's short, you should probably score.
This is about scoring because you know, the only jars they've
got you score. So we thought, no, you've got to
stick to that. So we're fairly strict to other.
We've changed it slightly as years have gone on.
So the idea was to complete that.
Then we want to date all events and 9 all events and they vary.
They can be off the red Tees or the yellow Tees again.
But we really want kids to try and get assembly with the the
flag ones is get them used to school on 36.
So they got so when they may help them, they expect to shoot
36. Yeah, no, they weren't.
That's chilling. Nice eights and nines and 10's
and hitting woods in every hole. So we tried to again for the
younger ones, just make it right.
We only play 9 hole events. And again, we have a rule no
actually for if you're under 10, but don't let you play 18 hole
events. Doesn't matter how you do.
And the reason for that is that over the years we've seen that
the kids, when they're in a rush to get to the 18 hole event,
which is this, a lot of kids can't play that.
But at that age, you can see towards the end of probably
around about H13, they start to tire.
So this beautiful swing that I had as a kid starts to get
flatter and flatter. Yeah.
Flatter, and then the scores don't, and they go.
And that effects it affect long term your golf swing in your
paper. And then for me, we suddenly
believe I face it on the long term basis of it.
And then it also becomes that when they do that all the time,
it then gets hard to change that flat back up.
Yep. And again, something the kids
that age are also which which I did as well and I got from my
dad, you get the hand me down adult clubs which are heavier,
so they can't really strain up that way.
So again, like the kids clubs nowadays, the US kids stop and
again, the golfer kids clubs, they're great because they're so
white, so they can't get the beautiful swing.
But the idea is to try and mid Tina as the as they grow on.
So some things people are about to understand.
They want their kids to oh, but it's time to get it's good
enough. It's not being good enough.
It's like the long term because the objective is 1 begin to
become members of golf clubs. Yeah, we want them to be the
best golfer they can be when they're adults or if they want
to go international wise and we want so we try and sort of Fair
we can rein them back. This time's where we can't
leave, but you get you're always going to get a player he's going
to stand out without that, you know game we had the corner
grams and that this so these guys happen and you can't be
back under that talent, but 99.9% of people will always try
and rein it back a bit. So let them enjoy happy if he
finds that easy, great shoot 28 all.
Amazing after should be absolutely amazing.
Really. I was your confidence you.
Know sure so did you and they assume when you move up you'll
develop and always think back to some of the things it was Tiger
was always just you know, playing your age group playing
what you you're good at like portrayalat is the same as that
preview the best 10 you know preview the best Let me know
please don't go 10. I won't be the best 16 year old,
no beat that put the fear of death and the people at your own
age range. And as you move up, everyone
becomes a bit scared, which is always what happened to Tiger.
You get to that mark when you turn up event, you go, oh
tigers, you went to everything. Yeah.
As opposed to going from 12 while playing all these under 18
events and where was it? It's good to get to do on
occasions because you get a bit development from it, but not not
all the time. So we have them go to that level
and then wants to play in these events which are handicap
events. Obviously they're then born into
getting their handicap and scores and all the rest of it.
And then from that end, but then we want to call the wagon
events, which is elite events and that's where you then get
the lower handicappers then performing with that.
So we'll have probably in about how many events we'll probably
have in the year, we'll follow up about 70 to 80 events in the
year that were run 70. To 80.
Yeah. So again, we'll have, again,
we're trying to incorporate 2 events on one course.
So again, we'll have a flag event and a stroke play on that
same day just for helping management volunteers.
So you're doing them like Mad Week as well, Scott, in the
summer? Sundays, Sundays and the clubs,
to be honest with Scotland, have been fantastic with us.
Again, primarily when we started.
We're in the Lothian area. We're now working in the Glasgow
node, which is with Claire Marie McCauley and Colin McCauley.
Oh yeah. So again, they're doing work for
us. They're in so obviously Calm's
pedigree and golf is fantastic, so that's a great thing.
And clearly for pro and all the rest as well.
So these are people who have got great knowledge that they can
then pass on the kids at that area as well.
That's and again we try and spray the people we can, but
it's like anything else we can only do because at the moment
it's still only really myself and Stuart Johnson who again
played county golfer, won a championship this year.
It's all him and I that are really running the foundation.
The rest is working with the volunteers and the volunteers
we've got have been outstanding to be sort of not strong enough
word for them. They'd be fantastic and the
commitment that they're given to to the junior golfers and that
as well as unbelievable. So we do try and spread it as
much as we can. So then we'll go eventually,
come on. But I say we're going up to
King. You see this year, which is a
new one for us, then we'll do Lockhorn Meadows and Fife and
we're always in the Lothian area but go down the borders.
That's awesome. So we're trying to spread their
wings in a a real area and we're throwing a couple of what we
call right, that's what it is. But we're going an event in
Gothic and 1:00 in in Monmouthshire in Wales this
year. And that's purely to try and
give kids an experience of playing away from home because
it is different. You've got to stay away and
you're playing against no. And the standard in England,
Wales or England is probably maybe slightly higher wheels is
probably similar, but it's good just competition for them to
actually play in with that as well.
So again, but the other absolute we've got from is our coaching.
We then go to coaching, we've got schools coaching who goes
on, but we go into about 15 schools a year.
So we pick kids up from school team to driving range.
They got an hour's lesson, are Jane Conahan, PGA coach.
They then go back to school and they get that for six weeks.
That's brilliant. Then we throw in winter
coaching, worst squads and they've got 120 kids.
They coach them with Ian Ray, Neil Maher, Allison Mckechen,
Jane Connor. So we've got a Fairmont, Meldrum
house, Kathkin Breeze, Golfit and Renaissance.
The kids get all that through the winter, etcetera.
And then we've got our own unit at Kingshield now we call our
Centre of excellence, which is 2 fantastic indoor bees.
We're putting lab and everything in there for the kids in the
winter. They don't have to practice with
four jerseys on our really out. That's awesome.
And how many kids do you think have participated over the
years? It must be multiple thousands.
Oh yeah. Well, we had, we had one, there
was one of them who did with active schools at one point.
It was 5000 kids in that one year that would be dealt with at
that time. And like even just now we've got
a mailing list which is I think the mail list again that they're
not unless always going to be players, that's probably around
about 1800 at the moment. And the events we've got for
this year about 880 of registered to play in events
this year for every event. But that then covers the flag
events, so the flag events. And then we've got about 300
kids registered for that. And again, that's from each four
through to 17. It's unbelievable.
So the numbers are are great and I would say it's still sure and
I try to do the admin work and then when it comes from that and
hence the reason why I've, I think I've not played
competitive golf now since 2010. There you go.
So no medal plays since it's just I just don't have one.
I don't have the. Of the time.
I mean golf course is probably every weekend, but when I come
home I just I play a bounce game.
I play the four balls with the the guys like Wilson and Simon
and Stevie and and so play matches against each other and
best more for the banter than the prize 1.
That's awesome. Well, Scott, if people wanted to
learn more about the Stephen Gallagher Foundation, how can
they learn more and get in touch?
And we would say that. Yeah, if you go into our
website, which is www.sgfoundation dot co.uk, that
gives you the broad spectrum of what we have on it.
And there's a section in there called Ask Steven, which
basically tells you what we have.
And there's a path we have for it, which is so try to explain
there. That's all on there.
And similarly we're on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.
So everything's there. And again, on every aspect on
that, there's a point we can ask questions.
So if there's anything you're not sure of or you think what
does that mean? And basically you send the
question in it, there will be me who picks it up.
So as soon as I've got flooded 880 questions a day, it's fine.
But yeah, so again, it's again, for everything we want to do,
it's all about making it easier for the kids and the parents as
well to enjoy events because like the flag events that sort
of go back a bit. They were the ones that were on
the that we do insist upon parents being there, right?
Again, part of that is 1 because of the age of the kids.
And no, kids can't have meldings with it.
And we don't want to be having too much.
I just want the kids to feel safe in the environment that are
best. So if they've got an adult with
them, then that's easier etcetera for the kids to
maintain it. But also it helps the the
parents engage with the kids and enjoy a day with their kid.
And again, we've had kids such as in the past where the kids
never played golf before, but now is the parents.
Yeah. And then within a couple of
years, they're both, they've all joined golf clubs, the mum, the
dad, the pin, and all of a sudden they're playing golf as a
family. So for us, that's, that's what
we want. That's what we that's that'd be
our ultimate goal. Again, it's in three years over
the events that we've had, we've had the Bobs played in events,
Paul McIntyre, Uniphon, Connor, same Grant for they've all
played in events that have been to do with the foundation.
That's awesome. So it's great to see these guys
coming through, but my biggest enjoyment is going along and
seeing the five and six year olds bouncing down the freeway
with a dad carrying the B bag over and the kids run about
chasing after the ball, hitting it, running, chasing, hitting.
I got a bigger buzz over that than anything else because you
just see that they're having a bit of fun and you know that
it's a game that for age 5, they'll be playing the ball for
the next 80 years. Yeah, I think that's the best.
Thing to give you that possibility.
Yeah, you can play it for a long time, can't you?
Yeah, it also gets the kids outside and the idea will be
from a foreigner as we do now, laptops.
But anyway. But yeah, if we can get the kids
out outside, then I think it's a win, win.
Absolutely. So listen, thanks so much for
joining us, Scott. It's been great to hear from
you. Great to hear about the Junior
Ryder Cup, Stevens Foundation and also some of your own
journey as well. Really appreciate and thanks for
coming on. No problem.
Thanks so much for asking me and all the best and.
I'd like to thank Scott Knows for joining me and sharing the
stories about his work with the Foundation and the Junior Ryder
Cup. Do check the show notes to find
out more about Stephen Gallagher's Foundation as well.
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