1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,040 Welcome back to Line by Golf, the podcast made from the 2 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:12,080 connects refine through a great game of golf. 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,400 I'm your host, Josh McGuire, and today I'm joined by one of the 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,640 most respected golf coaches Scotland has ever produced, Ian 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,760 Ray. From carrying video equipment 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,120 around in the back of a Range Rover and early days of golf 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,840 technology, to coaching some of the country's greatest amateur 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,800 and professional players, Ian has spent decades at the heart 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,160 of Scottish golf. It's a brilliant conversation 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,520 about coaching, player development, elite performance 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,160 and evolution of Scottish golf over the last 50 years. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Let's go over to Ian. Ian Ray, thanks for joining. 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,560 Great to have you with us. No, it's lovely to be here. 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Well, be at home and be on the on the machine. 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,520 Absolutely. And Ian, I'm going to start with 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,240 a quick one. Technology has changed a lot in 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,160 golf and you know, used to like your Porsche's, but you had to 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,640 get out of the Porsche times to get a Range Rover so you can go 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,280 with their cotton in their bike. How do you feel about that these 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,760 days when you can drive an on a phone? 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,360 And some it's amazing when I think what I bought in the 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,920 probably 94, it was bloody humongous and had to lift that 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,280 and the bike, the Range Rover every day and had a big battery 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,320 unit that had three big batteries in it and an invalter 25 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:25,840 to try and power it for the day. So that's. 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:32,080 That's makes use for a bad but. Master tripod and everything as 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,040 well to go with you know if that going to. 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,720 Yeah, yeah, we had the unit was it came in a big kind of flight 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:47,200 case thing and I had one of these TV video record video 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,520 players in it. And then I had the computer, one 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,280 of the first computers and it was all enclosed and on the 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,520 outside was like sockets and things that you plug the the the 33 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,720 cable in for the cameras, the microphone and stuff like that. 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,320 And then we used to film outside. 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,440 And then I had a way of filming where I could, I would film it 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,520 and, you know, so much time before the swing, so much time 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,760 after it, so I could just let the camera run when I was 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,080 clicking on the machine. Yeah, we used tripods and 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,000 cameras and, and it was, it was amazing the amount of cameras 40 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,520 that we used to go through because they wasn't built for 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,840 what we were using them, you know, like, so we, I would go 42 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,960 into Glasgow is like a place in a Great Western road, Glasgow, a 43 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,160 video saying that of what it's called. 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,920 And I used to use these Panasonic cameras because they 45 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:47,720 had very manual features on them, right? 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,720 So you could change your shot of speech, the light balance, 47 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,640 etcetera, etcetera. But they were used that they 48 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,480 used to fall in them on the, and the puddles. 49 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:01,240 You know, they used to get so so and the heads of them used to 50 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,680 get warden so quickly. So I'd go in and ask the guy 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,160 right, I need a Panasonic camera, what have you got? 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,200 And he would show me them and I would go through. 53 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,080 I would check them all to see what all the features that I 54 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,840 needed and had millions of features that I never used. 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,920 And I used to see the guy right there. 56 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:21,520 Great. How much are they right? 57 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,640 I'll take four. I used to buy like 4A time 58 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:30,400 because and he would look at me like I had two heads for, you 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,720 know, so you would basically you would just use them and and they 60 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,160 would, as I say, they would break, you know, within about 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,240 four months, you know, you're just basically a little bit in a 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,600 bit, but that was that was technology at that time. 63 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:51,360 You know, yeah, absolutely. And almost, you know, you're 64 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,760 quite an early part of your career. 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,440 But how did you get that game, Ian? 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Who was? So they got Yankov in the early 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,000 days. But I came from the northeast on 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,240 Huntley and it was a it was a lovely little town and it had 69 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,560 every sport that you wanted to, to play for a town of 4000 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,320 people. You know, there was an Ave. with 71 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,680 the school and there was a cricket ground, there was a 72 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,480 swimming pool, there was the golf course was football 73 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,240 pitches, tennis, you name it, you could play it. 74 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,400 And back in the early 70s, you would, you know, you didn't have 75 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,080 all the technology that you've got now. 76 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,040 So you were always outside doing stuff. 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,680 Have you were sporty at all? So I was in there, you know, I 78 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,520 went through all the sports. So I would, I would be in the 79 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,480 football team, the swimming team, the, the table tennis 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,880 team, you know, you name it. And then golf. 81 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,040 I just got hooked into golf. My dad played golf. 82 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,400 And by the time I was 12, I was probably, I probably started 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,160 about 11. And then when I get in, there's 84 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,840 something I get totally into it. So that was me. 85 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:02,560 I was absolutely hooked. So I used to sneak over at 86 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,400 lunchtime and I went obtain because it was just across the 87 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,360 road and sometimes I would forget to go back to school 88 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,160 depending on what the periods were in the afternoon. 89 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:18,680 So sometimes I would forget, you know, and then after a few 90 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,080 weeks, again a wee bit of trouble. 91 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,800 So I'd calm down a wee bit and then go again. 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,480 So that's how I got in a golf. It was, it was awesome up there. 93 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,440 If I was up there a couple of weeks ago and they gave me an 94 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,880 ordinary membership there and I haven't been a member there for 95 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,120 50 years. So I was absolutely delighted 96 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,960 and it was great. I, I used to go and see my 97 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,040 parents and my brother on his way still over there. 98 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,160 So it was good to, you know, I had to been up for maybe about a 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,080 year or two. So it was good to go out and see 100 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,400 some of the old faces and go to the Golf Club and it was, it's a 101 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,200 phenomenal place, you know. And what was it? 102 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,960 It took you into being a protein So you must obviously progressed 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,560 your game. What was that like in your 104 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,280 teenage years and and what was the job they like for you? 105 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,280 It was, I suppose, different to what I say within on that. 106 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,160 So we used to used to get a magazine called The Goals 107 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Illustrated every week and I and that was the key and everybody 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,280 put the jobs and not. So I decided that I like golf 109 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,920 that much. I thought, yeah, I really want 110 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,840 to become a pro and, you know, start off as an assistant. 111 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:37,520 So I looked at I looked at that with my dad and a job came up in 112 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,360 Leeds and I've never even been outside Scotland at this point. 113 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,480 My dad says why don't you apply for that? 114 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,960 And I thought, Oh my God, he's desperate to get rid of me. 115 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,360 So I did apply. I didn't get the job, but a job 116 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,880 came up at Lanark and then I went down there, had an 117 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,360 interview and stuff and I got the job. 118 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:04,960 So started there in May 76, so pretty much 50 years to in fact 119 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,480 50 years. Yesterday it was the 21st of 120 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,080 May, if memories helped me, so 50 years. 121 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:17,920 Yesterday I stopped at a Lanook so and I kind of I really 122 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,360 enjoyed it. A great job working for a guy 123 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,000 called Ron Wallace, who I'm still friendly. 124 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:28,440 We know he's still on the go and he was tremendous and a, you 125 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,240 know, he cannot he he taught me a lot and as I say, once again, 126 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,720 it's something so I become kind of quite obsessive, you know, 127 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,160 about golf and all. All I wanted to do is be a good 128 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,880 player and play tournament golf and I tried for three or four 129 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:49,000 heels and once I'd spent my money, other people's money, it 130 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,440 became a part that maybe I'm not going to make a live for this, 131 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,080 but it wasn't through the one that trying and. 132 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,440 What? What a great course to be a an 133 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,800 assistant as well. Lanox tremendous, isn't it? 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,720 Brilliant golf course. How good is it? 135 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,360 It's a great Heathline course. It would. 136 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,840 I would say it would be the best in Lanarkshire. 137 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,720 It was. It's short now can you know it 138 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,080 was? It's a bit 6465 somewhere over 139 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,360 there, but by, you know, 50 years ago that was a that was 140 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,080 quite long. Yeah, you know, with it, with 141 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,560 the old cat. In fact, even if you get on the 142 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,600 15th hole now, if you're in a wee bit a breeze, it's it's a 143 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,000 face the old go for, you know. Yes, aye, tremendous. 144 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,200 A great, great experience. And they always said they open 145 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,799 our assembly. I was going to say in my my 146 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:43,799 teenage years, and maybe I'll be about beyond that, they always 147 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,720 had open qualifying there and remember playing like you always 148 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,000 wanted the team game. It'd be the week of the open 149 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,640 qualifying on the Wednesday. I think just on that Monday for 150 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,600 regional qualifying, you go up and the greens would be 151 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,360 absolutely lightning. It was unbelievable playing 152 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,960 there. Oh, I know. 153 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,200 They were always fast. You go on that first green, you 154 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,200 know, it's sloping quite a bit back to front. 155 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,920 You know, if you go up above the hole, you were like, Oh my God, 156 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,000 this is this is going to be a problem. 157 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,640 And then it was great. It was a great what I'm 158 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,840 bringing. How did you then transition from 159 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Lanark over to was a Holland Bush Was your next course that 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,120 you worked out as a professional? 161 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,440 No, actually did I? Just over a year at Shorts, 162 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,320 Yeah. So what happened was I had, I 163 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,200 was still playing kind of full time and there was a lot of 164 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,000 stuff that you could play in in Scotland and things, but I 165 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,960 hadn't decided what I was, where I was going. 166 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:43,280 I'd been at your school. I missed that. 167 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,800 I missed the two school by short and I came back and I'd been 168 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,800 away for six or seven months travelling around Europe playing 169 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,920 and I was now in Kenya. I don't know what I'm going to 170 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,640 do, but we're still practicing hard, training hard and still 171 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,680 unsure. And shorts had got a, there was 172 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:10,400 a, they were needing a probe. So Ron, who I worked for, he was 173 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,560 going to help them just stop the shop and stuff for a wee while. 174 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,600 And he said to me, why don't you go over there on a Saturday and 175 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:23,920 a Sunday and do that for me? And I said, yeah, I can do that. 176 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,920 But before we even go to that, I was over doing stuff. 177 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,240 And they're basically, I met with a couple of the members and 178 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,960 they said, well, why don't you just take over the job? 179 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,160 So I went over there doing, I was going to be doing some part 180 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,720 time stuff. And I've came home and I 181 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,320 thought, I think I've just got myself a job. 182 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,960 So I did just over a year there, which was an ex, another life 183 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,520 experience. And then I moved from there to 184 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,680 Holland Bush in 85. I'm going to see probably 185 00:10:56,680 --> 00:11:01,560 February 85. Yeah, from from memory I think 186 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:05,240 it was and I stayed there until the end of 99. 187 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,720 Wow. And you've been young as a 188 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,280 professional then doing that, taking over the shorts and then 189 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,480 taking over Holland Bush. I'd be quite young compared to a 190 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,920 lot of the guys. I would have probably been like 191 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,840 maybe 24 when I was at shorts. Yeah, and. 192 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,000 Then 25. I just think I just not long 193 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,040 term 25 when I was at Holland Bush. 194 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,040 Wow. And then Holland Bush, what a 195 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,800 great golf course that is for the community there and 196 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,280 thankfully been rescued recently. 197 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,200 So what's your memories of Hall and Bush and some of the great 198 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,880 amateurs they had coming out of there as well at that time with 199 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,440 a really good. Well, you'd you would probably 200 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,960 remember there was a lot of good team playoffs there. 201 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,520 It was all I would. I don't know what it is now as 202 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:53,000 and how the team thing goes, but the the team thing there was 203 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,400 great. I mean, I used to go on a 204 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Wednesday night, you know, if they were playing at Hamilton or 205 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,400 East School Braid, I would regularly go with the games, you 206 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,720 know, and because of the work, great atmosphere, great matches, 207 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,840 10 man teams. And I think we I think we would 208 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,240 have probably won at some point. I think maybe I'm going to say 209 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,880 maybe Hamilton, East Kilbride were the two top teams. 210 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,400 Maybe at that point, maybe Drumpy would have been good as 211 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,400 well. But Holland Bush is a great, 212 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,280 good team at that point. Look, a lot of good juniors 213 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:34,880 coming up and through and it's I still see some of the some of 214 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,920 the guys who you know, I haven't seen for years. 215 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,440 And then all of a sudden I got a call and I'm catching up with 216 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,880 somebody that, you know, played as a junior hall ambush. 217 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,280 You know, that's, that's good. It was, it was like it was a 218 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,200 good place. It was they were pretty keen for 219 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,600 juniors. We did a lot of junior coaching 220 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:02,240 through the schools and stuff and and with a lot, a lot of 221 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,560 good players there, it was good. Yeah. 222 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:08,280 And then I mean that was out when you really transitioned 223 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,600 fully into coaching as well from playing more in the past and and 224 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,240 really get into the coaching full time. 225 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,440 Yeah, I was still playing a lot, you know, and I was, you know, 226 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,320 top 2 was pretty big at that point. 227 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,320 So I was I was still playing with a lot of good tournament. 228 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,800 So that was still my primary kind of focus. 229 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,680 Obviously it was a club pro, which was you were busy with 230 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:35,240 that, but I would play as much as I could and I wasn't doing a 231 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,680 lot of coaching at the start. And I ended up I was working on, 232 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:44,320 I started working on my game with Dennis Pugh and David 233 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,920 Ledbet at the time, which was that was about ET eat. 234 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,520 So we went and it was myself and Ken Campbell from Makahanish 235 00:13:53,840 --> 00:14:00,320 went down and we caught well, Ledbetter once, I think once or 236 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,920 twice. And Dennis Pugh was based in 237 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,240 South. So I was going down there once a 238 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,400 month to work on my game for the primary reason of playing 239 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,440 better, right. But I really enjoyed my time 240 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:20,080 with Dennis and staff and it was a very educational and he was 241 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,640 help, you know, I spent a lot of time well, I would do, I would 242 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,160 sometimes he would invite me along to do help on my different 243 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,240 things. And he kind of encouraged me to, 244 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,720 you know, do more coaching and stuff. 245 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,960 So I was kind of gaining experience and knowledge from 246 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,720 him. And then I started to, you know, 247 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,240 he advised me to go and look at other people, you know, so I 248 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,720 would go to the States and things. 249 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,520 And again, once again, there's something I'm kind of hooked in 250 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:59,240 and I, I started a, you know, coaching a lot more and, and 251 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,640 really enjoying it. And as I say, try trying to do 252 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,120 the best job that I possibly could. 253 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,880 Wow. And so when did they become full 254 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,800 time coach? And then through that period, 255 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,520 was it almost like? I was coaching the Hall and wish 256 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:24,080 a law by probably by about 9293. It was pretty busy though. 257 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,520 We've got a great practice facility up at Hall and Bush. 258 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,480 As you'll remember, it was kept in really good condition. 259 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,480 The greens were good. So it was an ideal sport and 260 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,560 that's really, you know, the Range Rover and all that. 261 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:42,000 The cat would come in and so because it was rained the other 262 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,280 side. But you know, I think I didn't, 263 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,320 I don't know. It just kind of developed if you 264 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,400 like, I'm not going to say there was a plan there. 265 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,880 I didn't I didn't feel I sat down and went right, this is 266 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,600 what I'm going to do. It just kind of manifested and 267 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,520 being pretty busy, you know, so I was kind of doing, I must have 268 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,080 been doing quite a good job. There was a lot of people coming 269 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,080 and quite a lot of really good players. 270 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,920 I was coaching a few pros at that time as well. 271 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,680 So that kind of I just kind of built up a as it can away, you 272 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,880 know. And then you became the Scottish 273 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,800 national coach. So again, was that just like a 274 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,160 progression of having more and more players and then get 275 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,480 involved with, well, you're already coaching pros, but even 276 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,960 the elite amateurs as well. Was that how the transition went 277 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,360 to become the national coach? Yeah. 278 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,000 Well, what happened was a Bob Toms was the national coach up 279 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,720 until, I'm going to say maybe the end of 93 and they applied 280 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,440 for a coach. It must have been, must have 281 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,840 been in the 93, starting 94, can't quite remember. 282 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,680 And I applied for that. And because I was coaching a lot 283 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,800 of good players, I was, I was thinking, well, that would be 284 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:10,359 the ideal choice for that. But I didn't get that job right. 285 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,880 And they start in 84. Billy Locky got the job. 286 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:19,640 And that was the base thing that happened to me because he he put 287 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,119 up a good structure in place and he looked outside. 288 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,280 I wasn't looking outside. I was only looking at swing 289 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,400 stuff. And so he brought in like psych 290 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,520 psychologists, strength conditioning coaches, etcetera. 291 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,560 So I was fortunate that he employed me as I can secondary 292 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,760 national coach. I was doing about 6 the EE days 293 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,840 a year and I was looking after the kind of main squad and stuff 294 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,920 because I already coached a couple of them anyway. 295 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,720 So it gave me a great opportunity to lay on the job 296 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,960 right. So I think if I had got the job 297 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,320 in 94, I don't see me doing a good job at it. 298 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,800 I don't think I would have done a good job. 299 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,000 I think I would have been poor at it. 300 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:15,480 But I ended up getting about five years Cana working and 301 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,240 learning at the same time and getting introduced to people 302 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,840 around the world, right, who are experts in the field. 303 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,160 And that kind of opened up things for me. 304 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:32,480 So to understand, right, it's not just a swing thing here. 305 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,000 Those are a lot more things. So that was that was a blessing 306 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,040 than this guy is really, you know, if you took to me at the 307 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,400 start, then you get the job. I went, I'm I know you didn't 308 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,360 get the job. You know, I should have got that 309 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,680 job. And then once I'd kind of got 310 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,640 involved in it, I thought, God, I was lucky there. 311 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,160 I've done. I've done a right good time 312 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,920 here. Thanks for listening to Linked 313 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,520 by Golf. I also Co host a new podcast 314 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,520 with Colin Gray called Both Sides of Par. 315 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,360 Every episode explores the different sides of the game, 316 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,480 from drowsing practice habits to core strategy, mindset, 317 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,440 equipment, and idealities golfers face at every handicap 318 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,680 level. If you enjoy the conversations 319 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,520 here, I think you'll really love this one too. 320 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,720 Follow Both Sides of Par now on your favorite podcast platform 321 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,360 so you don't miss the first episodes. 322 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,080 Just search for Both Sides of Par or go to bothpar.com. 323 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:34,240 Now let's get back to the pod and I remember Ian, one of the 324 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,400 lessons that I went for with I think it was Lanarkshire 325 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,120 coaching. It must have been the youth team 326 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,600 or maybe just Gents team, I can't remember. 327 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,920 But we went up to Drummoyk and you were leading that and I 328 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,560 remember we we had hardly any balls. 329 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,200 We actually sat in a room for quite a good talk through 330 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,760 psychology stuff. Then you took us out in the 331 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,400 course you didn't take. I think we warmed up or 332 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,240 something. Maybe I had a few balls just to 333 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,560 get warmed up and you took us out. 334 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,320 Is that a three hole corset Drummoygar? 335 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,600 Six holes or something like that. 336 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,800 Yeah, yeah, it was. It's changed now. 337 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,560 I'm going to say it was it, was it 5 or six holes? 338 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,680 Or something, right? Yeah. 339 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,920 You took us out and you didn't talk a bit technique at all. 340 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,880 You focused on what was our targets? 341 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,840 How are we assessing the whole for sure it's into the greens 342 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,920 and you're just laughing. That was, I mean, you'd be 343 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,600 asking us all questions and we're currently the stupid 344 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,920 answers like how far is it to the pan? 345 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,440 Of course somebody's like, oh, it's that far. 346 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,240 And you're like, yeah, that is that far. 347 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,760 If you thought of anything else. No, really. 348 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,480 And then you're like, well. Then isn't it? 349 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,280 Yeah, look, you're listening. Oh, look at the bunkers. 350 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,120 Where are they? And we're like at the front, OK, 351 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,800 what you're going to do. But the pan, we also placed a 352 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,040 mass and honestly, it was brilliant. 353 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,440 It was so different to I guess what most people would have had 354 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,160 as a coaching session at that time. 355 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,520 So that was really good having that, that different 356 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,880 perspective. And it sounds like that was 357 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,720 something that you grew with as well. 358 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,760 And you got those perspectives coming in as you went along. 359 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:19,160 Again, you you learn as a when I started off, I was my when I was 360 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,360 at Hall and Bush, you know, coaching a lot. 361 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,120 I was physically hands on coaching and, you know, working 362 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:30,880 on players games, nothing to do with the performance side over. 363 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:35,800 And that's what I mean about me getting in and an opportunity to 364 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,840 learn that that part of it right. 365 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,640 So when we so then when we when all the counties would come up 366 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:50,720 to Drummoy get that team. That was probably 2000 to 2002, 367 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,720 maybe right. Then if you, if you personally 368 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,600 have a coach, well, brilliant. You keep going with that, right? 369 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,720 And then, but we'll add on all the things that maybe you, the 370 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,160 coaches don't have time for. So there's a if you, if you book 371 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,680 on an off session with a coach, how, how much time if you really 372 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,080 go to to try and cover off everything very little. 373 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,320 So you're, you're, you're saying on that session, maybe right, my 374 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,600 game, I'm not hitting it very well. 375 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,040 I need to get that. And that's taken an hour. 376 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,760 So you, the coach doesn't have enough time to to look at the 377 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,440 performance side. So when we were setting up those 378 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,840 days, we're looking right. It's about performance as 379 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,520 opposed to, you know, just swing stuff. 380 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,720 Yeah, no, just. There's a team in a plate for 381 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,040 everything, isn't it? Not that I retained all of of 382 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,040 course, especially in her own straight. 383 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,520 But then you touched on it there and you're talking about all 384 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,720 these elite players and you've obviously got the pros that 385 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,640 you're coaching as well. But what was it like being 386 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,960 without Scotland environment for so many years? 387 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,320 I mean, I see I'm looking through my notes here and you've 388 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,480 got 6 European team factories with the squad. 389 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,480 So what were what are some of the memories that stand out from 390 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,360 those? Yeah, well, my first European 391 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,040 team was 95. We won over in Belgium and what 392 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:23,200 a team we had because we're Sherry Gallagher, Rankin Howard, 393 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760 Hugh McKibben and Alan Reid. Wow. 394 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,720 So whether an awesome team, we won the stroke play. 395 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,960 So you play 2 range, stroke play, 5 scores counting on 6. 396 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:41,880 I think we won the stroke play by 15 or 17 shorts or something 397 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,640 like we were discarding 60 nines, you know, 3 unders. 398 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:53,880 And then we went into the match play and we we played against 399 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,400 Wales, who? So 1 plays eight. 400 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,520 Yeah, Wales were eight. We were one and the nearly beat 401 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,080 us like I I'd resigned them to the fight that we were beat. 402 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,120 Why? So they they were 30 odd shorts 403 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,360 behind us and Gallagher and Sherry. 404 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,400 I think we're both one down with two to play and they won the 405 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,320 last two holes each and that was for us to get through. 406 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,880 Wow, so. It was late. 407 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,880 I remember I was chatting to one of the the Welsh guys as we're 408 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,200 walking around and I mean, they'll say we're in about 17. 409 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,640 That's well, this is done. You know, we've we've went from 410 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,440 having this fun, phenomenal team and we've been, we've been put 411 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080 for fried. Fortunately we came through 412 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,480 that. We beat France the next day and 413 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,200 he would beat England in the final I think. 414 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,360 So it was 2 foursome, 5 singles. I think it was 6-1 or six and a 415 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,720 half 1/2. My goodness. 416 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,520 So, and they had some, some really good, good players on 417 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,000 that year as well. And the funny story it was, it 418 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,520 was a Antriot gold, Royal Antriot and it was boiling. 419 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,840 It was like 100° every day. They were trying to to cope with 420 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,320 that. So there was like fridges bring 421 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,160 the course, but trying to get enough water was quite a 422 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,480 difficult job. So on the Sunday the I was 423 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,600 hovering about the the first tee early on to see the guy put in 424 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,840 all the water into the fridge, right, The big kind of chase 425 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,880 freezer take time. So he put it all in and as soon 426 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,120 as we were in the corner, I left it on to call out. 427 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,480 So I'm carrying these big crates of water into the locker room. 428 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,320 OK, they're a big locker room and I'm putting them all into 429 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,160 the locker, right, Because I thought I need to look after, 430 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,480 you know, because I can't remember how many bottles of 431 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,160 water. But if you've got four guys out 432 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,160 there, right, you know, you were probably needing, you know, it 433 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,720 was probably in the region of 40 bottles in the morning, you 434 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,120 know, so I'm hunting all these. Hello. 435 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,840 So when when we got any of the first tee I've I've got, I'm 436 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,160 trying to think somebody else were me there and I've got a 437 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,280 backpack on full of water and and we're stuffing and the golf 438 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:26,000 bags and the so we got into the first tee and all English guys 439 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,840 are lifting up the freeze or nothing in it. 440 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,560 It's like wheels, all the water, you know, and of course we've 441 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,040 got we've got more. Well, did you get that? 442 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,280 Oh, got it in a clubhouse. That's just sounded like a 443 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,400 Southampton incident. Yeah, it's a. 444 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,520 Little bit, isn't it? But we would have beat them 445 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,040 anyway. So in the past now it's fine 446 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,160 they. Did get, they did get water, but 447 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,040 I think, I think it was ended up it was sparkling water they 448 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,040 ended up getting. And it absolutely sparkled in 449 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,400 the game enemy, so that was. Great. 450 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,000 It's sparkled in the game, you know. 451 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:11,600 So that was my first 195. And then there was a few. 2001 452 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,320 was a strong year as well because Warman O'Hara, they 453 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,920 played in the Walker Cup. Craig Heat was in that team. 454 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,240 He was an excellent player. McKenzie, Simon McKenzie else 455 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,200 was in that team. Craig Watson was in that team. 456 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,600 And for the like, oh, Buddy Hume, wow, I know. 457 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:40,520 So again, they, they we played England in the semi finals and 458 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,760 they've got like I think Luke, Dorothy, Nick door, Luke, Luke 459 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,800 Donald, Nick, Dorothy Wilson home. 460 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,680 I can't remember who else, but there are 8 good team and well, 461 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,160 we're two nil down in the morning. 462 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,520 So things we needed four singles and we won four of the singles 463 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,880 and they all won three and two. Wow. 464 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,360 And Luke Donald beat Barry Hume just on the last, but that was a 465 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,040 great game because there must have been body would have been 466 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,920 sex on that, I think. And he lost in the last. 467 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,240 And then we played Ireland in the after the SA and the last 468 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,000 day in the final. But again, that was like Michael 469 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,680 Hui McDowell was in that team trying to remember who else but 470 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,680 it would beat them. We're comfortable to beat them 471 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,600 well two nil in the morning and I think I think they won. 472 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,760 It was probably been a 6th 1 again, I think, but a fun funny 473 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,720 incident there. Ohara played Norfolk, so that 474 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,040 was the first game out Fox. He was a good player. 475 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:56,480 Ohara was 8 up after 8. So I I mean harder played. 476 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,040 He was playing in 2000 and 2001. He was a best amateur kicking 477 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,160 about. He played awesome 8 up after 8 478 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,040 and I was a short Part 3 and then then you turn back. 479 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,720 So I was across. I was kind of trying to watch 480 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,960 from a wee bit a distance at that point, but I didn't know 481 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,560 what had happened on the on the 9th right. 482 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,760 And in Fox he lost his T-shirt on 10. 483 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,360 So it's looking a bit for the ball. 484 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,600 Can't find it. So I'm assuming that it's either 485 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,120 been 1/2, right? Because he went over to heart 486 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,720 and shook his hand, right. So I thought, Oh my God, that's 487 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,680 a 10 and E or a nine and E, right. 488 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,480 And then Steve, Steve, he said after a second doctor, he went, 489 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760 wait a minute. No, no, I'm only 8 up. 490 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720 We're eight to play. I'm not 9 up because Fox, it 491 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,080 wasn't a hole. And Fox went, oh shit. 492 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,920 Yeah. So yeah. 493 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,920 So they went to the Tennessee and a hardest. 494 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:01,480 That's that. Oh yeah. 495 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,280 I'd have been 11th senior and hardest Left it to Part 3 and 496 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,000 Fox News. Like God, I mean, you've made me 497 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,480 walk all the way up here. And it's amazing you're talking 498 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,360 about Stephen there, Ian. And I've played at Corville Park 499 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,720 and like I've said this to people recently and it's only 500 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,000 when you get older you reflect and things sometimes. 501 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,680 And it wasn't that you'd be judging yourself against Stephen 502 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,480 Beebe, looking at your own game and saying, where am I? 503 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,120 And, and Stephen was an amazing inspiration for our entire club. 504 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,880 Like the handicaps shot down our club just about the inspiration. 505 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,400 You're watching on and you're coming away like, Oh no, very 506 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,680 good at golf. And then the reflection hurts 507 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,160 you later on. You're like, actually, Stevie 508 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,920 was probably one of the top amateurs in the world at the 509 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,120 time and he was absolutely phenomenal. 510 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,120 To his, his right, he won the Scottish boys and the British 511 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,280 boys in the same year. I'm going to say that was 9 to 512 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,080 8. Yeah. 513 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,760 And then he played and in the next year it was all men's 514 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,480 events And, and back in those days, the Order of Merit points 515 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,360 only went down a 10th, right, Right. 516 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,040 So he finished 11th, right. Like quite a number of weeks, 517 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,800 right, But he was the IT was his first year in full mains and 518 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,200 then he he got to the, I'm going to say the semi finals at a 519 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,320 quarterfinals of Scotch men's and then finished third 520 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,880 somewhere else. And but he played in the men's 521 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,000 homes. But the marker has his kind of 522 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,480 desire was he was really disappointed any season and but 523 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,720 he he worked so hard. The amount of balls he helped a 524 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,480 hole in between me like was unbelievable. 525 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,800 It was just relentless. It was twice a week and and then 526 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,960 in 2000 he he just went through the roof. 527 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:05,080 He played in the GB and I team. So he was out a performing at 528 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,040 Latham's brothers and all these things. 529 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,440 So he made the the GB and I team against Europe. 530 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,560 Can't remember the name of that team name the Banalic trophy, 531 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,240 right? It's the Banalic trophy. 532 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,440 OK, Anyway, so he played in that and then he got picked for the 533 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,640 Eisenhower. That's right. 534 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,160 GB and I, that was the last GB and I won, and that was Luke, 535 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,920 Donald and Paul. Was it Paul Casey? 536 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080 I think it was Maybe Luke. Was it Luke, Donald and Casey 537 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,800 and Jamie Donaldson and Stevie? Well. 538 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,200 So some team they end up finishing seconds and in the 539 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,720 next year 2001 when he played the Walker Cup, my God, I think 540 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,280 he was in the last group and just about every tournament he 541 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,320 played and going into the Sunday, he was lately at the 542 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,880 amount of tournaments he led gun into the Sunday after three 543 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,240 rounds was phenomenal. You know, and he and he won some 544 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,000 of them obviously, but he didn't win them all. 545 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:11,120 But I, he would probably have been, if not the best that year, 546 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,320 he'd have been very close to it. So to have that have that type 547 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,640 of player coming out of Scotland, nevermind Coldwell 548 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,840 Park, was quite amazing. Yeah, and I remember when he 549 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,360 joined, he was, I think he was 14. 550 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,160 He was playing off maybe 7 or something. 551 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,680 He quickly got his handicapped down, but it was the ball 552 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,680 striking like the ball striking eventually in and I can remember 553 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,040 certain holes like the six that corvals is maybe 310 or 554 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,960 something three O 5 and Stevie in 2001 Ish was flying all night 555 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,120 green. Easy he was. 556 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,840 Unbelievable. He was one of the best that I'd 557 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,040 worked with. I worked with Stevie for a lot 558 00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:00,680 of years and if you asked them to hit a short, he could tell 559 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,640 you how he was going to have it and then actually produce it. 560 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,400 He was very he was very knowledgeable. 561 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,159 You know, he loved the kind of knowledge of the game. 562 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,080 And then he would say, yeah, I'm going to do this, this and this 563 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,920 and then away he went and you could ask him that. 564 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,960 No problem with absolutely phenomenal. 565 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,199 One of the but one of the best players that I've seen really. 566 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,520 And unfortunately people you know, maybe, you know a young 567 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,280 lad at the moment who's maybe 18 or 20s, never, we'd never have 568 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,679 seen him or held with him, you know which. 569 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,520 Yeah, I mean, you get some amazing other player. 570 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,480 I mean, lots of other players that you've coached, like 571 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,480 Ritchie Ramsey, he coached time when he won the US Amateur and I 572 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,679 mean, what a victory that was. Yeah, I mean Richie, when I 573 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,679 worked with Riches, I've worked with Richie since 99 or 574 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,520 something. So he was in the boys team, went 575 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,880 America college, lasted a year, didn't like it right and came by 576 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,640 his game was really, really poor, right. 577 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:14,120 So but his determination and application is very, very much 578 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,920 like Stevie's right. And he walked away right over 579 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,840 the next few years, getting his game a in great shape. 580 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:32,000 And in 2004 he won a few won the Scorch man's he won going to see 581 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,720 another couple of all that Amira events in Scotland. 582 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:42,800 And he took we sat down with his pimps and stuff and he took the 583 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,320 next semester off at uni. He was at still in uni. 584 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,640 He wanted a degree. So he still had two semesters to 585 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:56,360 do in 2005 so that the the kind of January through told me and 586 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,600 in the September through to December he still had them to 587 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,200 do. So he was he said, right, I want 588 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,360 to focus on the Walker Cup in 2005. 589 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,160 I want so I want to play in practice as much as I can. 590 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,920 So he took the semester off. He won, I think he won Ireland 591 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,720 if he won somewhere else and you know by by the score as she 592 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,960 finished second in the Scottish. I think it might have been Royal 593 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,880 Aberdeen actually, and I think that was him pretty much 594 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,160 guaranteed he was going to be in the Walker Cup. 595 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,120 So he did that, played in the homes and stuff a Europeans. 596 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,440 He would have played that year if that wasn't coming, it was on 597 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,400 that goal. But then he went back to uni the 598 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,400 following September, 30 September stent and then he did 599 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,040 his January through to me 2007. So again, that was the 600 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640 agreement. He wanted a degree so he wanted 601 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,600 to make sure he covered everything off. 602 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:04,800 So he ended up said, right, he went to New Zealand to play with 603 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,800 GB and I, that was in the April. So that was a two week trip. 604 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,720 So he says I'm going to go with that. 605 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,280 I can study while I'm away, right, Because there's not too 606 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,760 much golf. I'll go, I'll go and do that. 607 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,320 I'll see New Zealand, but I'll deal with the studying. 608 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,960 But I'm not playing anything else. 609 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,160 And the first tournament he came back after his exams and stuff 610 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,160 was the Scottish at Craigie Law. And I think his first tournament 611 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,760 might he finished, maybe he finished top ten, right? 612 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,520 And that was his first event that year and he played the 613 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,240 lengths he played, the British etcetera, Europeans he played. 614 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,320 So he was going well. But back in that day, if you 615 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,480 were a Walker Cup player from the year before, you could get 616 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,600 straight into the US arm. Ah, right. 617 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,520 So yeah, you couldn't get in yet to qualify otherwise. 618 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,680 So him and Lloyd Saltman both played the year before. 619 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,600 So we they came to me and said, look, we want to go and play the 620 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,920 US arm and the scratch playoffs, which was the week before. 621 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,560 And I said, right, OK, I said, but I can't I can't go and do 622 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,040 that because we've got the I have with the European 623 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,720 individual the time, right? So I says I'm hot. 624 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,000 So I did a deal with all officials, Dad Ripple. 625 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,080 So all official went and Reese Davis went as well, right. 626 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,720 So all officials died a he he did the drive and he did that. 627 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:45,480 So we paid this the money and Rupert that all the Cana other 628 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,640 stuff on the ground. So I knew there would be a new 629 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,160 you'd be colored off and then I think was it Reese? 630 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,800 Maybe one of them did one of them when the scratch players or 631 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,560 was finished right up there the week before, which was a 632 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,600 high-ranking event and then obviously Richie when the US on 633 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,440 the next week. So it was a pretty successful 634 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,680 trip, but that was that was quite an amazing achievement. 635 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,440 I mean, that was that was quite phenomenal really. 636 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,800 You know, the first, you know, 100 noisy else to go and win 637 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,800 that. And there was nobody a who? 638 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,640 I'll tell you when Eddie Molinari won it the year before, 639 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200 I think. Right, of course, because 640 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,320 Francesco cutted from the Masters, don't they? 641 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,560 But. Forgot he what? 642 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,600 He won it the year before. So it was, it was pretty cool, 643 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,240 you know, just to have some, some, I mean, he was #1 amateur 644 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:53,520 in the world at that point. So that that gave him a 2007, 645 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,040 which was quite phenomenal. Scottish Golf a would put 646 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,920 together a program forum. I went to Scottish Golf and I 647 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,720 said right, I need X amount to try and fulfill this program. 648 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,200 And we ended up getting sponsorship from Aberdeen Asset. 649 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,760 So the money came from on a in a roundabout way, the money came 650 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,440 from them. But he played, he played that 651 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,360 that year and obviously played loads of pro events, played all 652 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:33,120 the majors and any Tom crew after the open at community and. 653 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160 He's still going to play well in the European Tour. 654 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,480 I mean, he's really, you see the determination, well, if he's 655 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,160 playing great, he's right on it. And if he's, you know, maybe 656 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,320 down the rankings, everybody is pushing really hard. 657 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,040 That's there's some career he's had. 658 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:53,400 This is his 19th year and if you're ever looking for somebody 659 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:59,800 that you would want to speak to or model yourself on as in how 660 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,000 they do stuff, Richard, be your guy. 661 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:07,640 You know, as, I mean, as are a lot the other scores, you know, 662 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,400 guys who have looked at the guys like Cohen of Simon stuff is 663 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,480 exactly the same. And you know, you've got Bob and 664 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,280 you and Grant, you know Grant, you know, Grant's very much like 665 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,600 that as well. And really, really professional 666 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,920 people. Yeah, union's the same. 667 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,640 And they, they, they can operate pally with Richie, right. 668 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,440 Like when, when I was away in Spain a couple of weeks ago, you 669 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,160 know, the guys were a, you know, everybody's up and down and at 670 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,320 night, you know, and they, they know the value of that because 671 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,160 he does things so well. He's not got the biggest game as 672 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,040 in, you know, he's brought up in an accuracy era, you know, as 673 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,000 yourself. So all of a sudden these guys 674 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,200 are hitting at males. But he has to manage his own 675 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:02,560 game. And so he, he works on his stuff 676 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,640 and tries to get the best out of it. 677 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,440 He knows that every place at a course that's 7500 and wide 678 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,800 open, you know, and if the bunkers are all at 300, well, 679 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,240 that's not going to. Be a tough week. 680 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,720 It's going to be a tough week guy because he would get a wee 681 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,800 bit frustrated by guys. You know, if he goes to like 682 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,520 Russell Kaimer or something like that, he would always sort of 683 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,960 start bitching about it. Oh, these guys are hitting all 684 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,480 over the place. And Michael's I go, well, you 685 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,240 know, you know that before you go. 686 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,560 So get used to it. Yeah, but. 687 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,560 And then you mentioned a huge change. 688 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,360 Absolutely. You mentioned Aberdeen Asset 689 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,640 Management there, and I have to bring up the Eisenhower Trophy. 690 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,960 So we've had Wallace Booth and Callum McCauley on before and 691 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,280 they've talked about that Eisenhower 1 and actually Callum 692 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,760 talked about the influence she had on him. 693 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,280 I think it was maybe the last day or perhaps the day before 694 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,720 the last day you'd gone for a walk in the beach I think with 695 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,320 Callum to to gum GD up. But I'd love you talk through 696 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,240 that victory for you, the Scottish team and and what it 697 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,840 was like that week. Again, the Eisenhower for the 698 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,600 split end in the four countries, the four home nations in 2002. 699 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,120 So that was the first one. So we played two and four, which 700 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:31,760 was Malaysia and then Puerto Rico and then Richie Scott 701 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,680 Jemison, George Murray played in the one in 2006 and South 702 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,320 Africa. And we, we actually, it was 703 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,440 funny because we had a house and was sitting in the morning going 704 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,920 over a couple of things and we were lying. 705 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,000 I think we're lying about third, the 4th. 706 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,280 And you know, George Murray made a great comment. 707 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,840 He says, you know, it's not every day you get an opportunity 708 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,000 win a world championship and I thought, my God, that is right. 709 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,280 So they did really well. And then in 2008, you know, so 710 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,560 we, we had been in Australia. So what we always try to do is I 711 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,480 would always try and go to the venue of the year before and see 712 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,080 what what we needed to do. So try and plan it really well. 713 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,440 And I could be think, you know, how the courses are, what type 714 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,520 of grasses, etcetera, what the accommodation is like. 715 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,640 So we went to we're going over to Australia with the with the 716 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,240 squad. So I think we had about 6 or 7. 717 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,680 So what we did was we were playing in tournaments in 718 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,000 Melbourne. So we went, we flew to Adelaide 719 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,920 1st and we spent a week in Adelaide and played the courses 720 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,560 right. And we got to lie the line. 721 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,240 So for me it was always a bit and Callum was there, Wallace 722 00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:00,480 was there, Gav Deal wasn't there, but I would get input 723 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,840 from them, right? So from the area, there was a 724 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,920 one of the Scottish guys who does 3D Ryan Lumsen, he lives in 725 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,760 Adelaide. So I got in touch with him to 726 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,600 give us a hand worth where we should stay, what we should do. 727 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,280 And the official tale, the the Eisenhower always want you to 728 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,800 stay in the official tale. But it's like in the middle 729 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,040 Adelaide, it's a note away from the course, right? 730 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,640 So it's a bloody nightmare. So you've got to get buses and 731 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,120 so you imagine the logistics, you're spending two hours a day 732 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,160 travelling. So we went and Adelaide to see 733 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,400 will out wars and whatever. But there's a, there's a great 734 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,320 sport called Glen Elk which is right on the beach right up from 735 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600 the golf courses. So the Grange and Adelaide are 736 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,720 just about they were pretty much 6 or 7 minutes away. 737 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,560 So I got him involved and said, look, I'm thinking about maybe 738 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,840 getting a couple of apartments right on the beach there. 739 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,080 There's loads of restaurants, right? 740 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,040 We can hire him any bus and we can just go back and forth and 741 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:06,800 do it. One thing. 742 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,440 So they were like, yeah, that's a good idea Ryan and our ID 743 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,160 right? So I'd looked at apartments. 744 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,880 So Ryan helped me with that. So I got 22 apartments. 745 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,120 So there are room each and stuff. 746 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:25,160 And so that was great and with we once we were kind of coming 747 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,640 through things like the clothing and stuff, they got to pick what 748 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,200 they wanted right. So ever all the logistics. 749 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,120 So travelling to Australia is obviously a loving our time 750 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,280 difference. So you kind of just rock up the 751 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,080 day before. So definitely through through 752 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:50,880 Aberdeen Asset we had arranged things and Sydney, so we're 753 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,080 playing NSW, the Australian. We did a little company day for 754 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,400 for Aberdeen Asset at NSW, so it gives us a game. 755 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,000 So we flew over there, they'd organized a tail right on the 756 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,200 rocks right and the harbour. So we chilled out for a couple 757 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,040 of days, was dead about a sightseeing. 758 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,160 Then we practiced for the week, like played in these things and 759 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,280 in we're only, I think it was an hour and a half flight to 760 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,960 Adelaide maybe. Yeah. 761 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,120 So, so they had involvement and that right. 762 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,240 So they knew exactly what was common, right. 763 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,760 So they were very happy with all the things. 764 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,760 So that was a big for me, that was a big part of it. 765 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,360 So when we when we played, they all had a great involvement in 766 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,400 it. And when they played first day 767 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,480 we were OK, you know, we're lying about 10 tour. 768 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,560 We were quite good. Second day Garth played really 769 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,600 poor, had a really poor score, but the other two played really 770 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,000 well. So we're up maybe when it must 771 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,240 have been in the top 4. But Gav was brilliant because he 772 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,480 said, look, I'm hitting it great. 773 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,080 I just flew all the greens that I was sure I just I just made a 774 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,400 backside of the the playing part. 775 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,960 But I'm good to go next the the Grange. 776 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,600 He was a lowest scorer. So he he kept the thing really, 777 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,600 really good and going. So he should I get shot 67 not 778 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,560 on it. So we now had a four short lead 779 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:32,840 going out in the last round and with like quote Callum was 780 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,160 saying when we got back from the course, we were going to a shops 781 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,440 and stuff on and then as part of the cool down we just go and 782 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,800 walk along the water on the beach. 783 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,760 So it gave them about a chill time. 784 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,120 No, you've got the water up to your knees, so you're a better 785 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,960 recovery, right. So we walk along, shoot the 786 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,720 breeze, you know what happened, but just just generally have a 787 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:57,960 really good laugh and have a good time. 788 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,720 And then the next day we got up in the morning, we wasn't teeing 789 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:05,840 off until lunchtime. So we said, right, we'll go for 790 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,320 breakfast somewhere. So we, with a walk along the 791 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,920 beach went a place for breakfast, right. 792 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,200 And I remember so vividly, we're on the, the minibus and the 793 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,080 driveway. You've got a drive in through 794 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,160 the about the course, Whale Adelaide. 795 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,200 And they had some bloody music going. 796 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,560 I don't know what it was, but they were absolutely in great 797 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,280 spirits. You know, they're about singing 798 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,840 at the top of their voices and stuff. 799 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,520 They were bashing on the window when they were going past the 800 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,320 range and stuff like that. And I thought, my God, you know, 801 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,400 and as a, and as a, the outside guy, you don't know how it's 802 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,960 going to go. You're just hoping that these 803 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,560 guys, you know, really thrive on that. 804 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,720 And it was windy. So Calum's off first. 805 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,960 No, it was no Calum was no Calum was off last. 806 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,880 He was a best scorer. So I think a guy was of Callum 807 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,400 started with four bodies at the first five. 808 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,880 I think he played he was playing with Fowler. 809 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,800 I think Ricky Fowler who he won the individual. 810 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,160 He was really good and the the wind, you know, he could really 811 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,400 shape it. But Callum was awesome in the 812 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,480 wind, right. So him is just drilling this 813 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,920 thing along the deck. So the other two played the 814 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,480 dollar, two Americans who were lying 2nd and I can't remember. 815 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,000 I must look up who it was. It was maybe Billy Horshall. 816 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,480 And so they were poor. They were. 817 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,680 They're short in the somewhere because they couldn't control 818 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,280 and wind. When we got to 9, the 9th hole, 819 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,760 we're already 1012 ahead. Wow, that's incredible. 820 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,960 Because with two with two guys level and Callum was 4 under. 821 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,720 So it was in Sweden. What Sweden were going green. 822 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,400 They were thubbed and I was kind of concerned about them. 823 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,760 And as you as you're as you're dodging about you're almost 824 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,760 trying not to watch. I think, OK, still mate, you 825 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,720 know, I just I just need to get this over and I've got across a 826 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:14,160 couple of halls and I saw the Swedes were going well. 827 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,480 So I went and watch. I think it was Gav play down 828 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,000 maybe 17. So he's now maybe a couple over. 829 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,000 As I say, it's really high winds and I'm thinking that's really 830 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,200 good. You know, that's great. 831 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,840 And he ended up bubbling 17. But the Swedish coach came 832 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,760 across and I hadn't seen a scoreboard. 833 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,680 So I'm like, I'm getting kind of touchy, you know, how is it 834 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,280 going? And I says, how's your guys 835 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,040 going? Oh, he says we've had a 836 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,840 nightmare. I says, oh, you were only, you 837 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,120 know, you were quite close. He says, Oh no, we've we fell 838 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,120 off a Cliff. We had double boogies and a 839 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,160 treble boogie. And I'm like, Oh my God. 840 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,920 And I walk and I walked down the last. 841 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,560 We're Gav and the Dutch coaches who was really friendly where 842 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,040 they wanted the the year, the years before. 843 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,160 So they've come out with a tray, fill a beer and I'm walking, 844 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,560 walking across and I'm still not sure. 845 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,400 And they said, we've brought beer for you, you know, to 846 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,560 celebrate. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, 847 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,600 we've not won yet. We've not won yet. 848 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,280 And they were like, you've definitely when you're 10 joints 849 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,520 ahead, you can't even lose. Wow. 850 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:36,680 And it was, it was tremendous. It was a tremendous experience. 851 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,680 And we went, we went to the the dinner at night and the prize 852 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,600 given at night and stuff. And we drew, I drove no to a 853 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:52,360 taxi and and I had a couple of drinks, but for some reason I 854 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,000 didn't, I didn't want a drink. I don't know why, you know, it 855 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,400 almost I thought my good was what we just achieved, you know? 856 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,240 Yeah. The chairman, he was in Alistair 857 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,680 Law, he was in tears. He couldn't. 858 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,440 He couldn't believe it, you know. 859 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,040 So it was a tremendous, tremendous experience. 860 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,320 You know, absolutely. And then in these days, how's 861 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,640 your career transition now worth? 862 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,960 You've been through all these great experiences with Scotland, 863 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,560 you've got so many tour pros that you still coach. 864 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,320 What's, what's a day-to-day routine like for you these days? 865 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:34,760 Speaking to you, I coach up, but I ended up I stopped Scottish 866 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:40,040 golf in 2020 and I would have been, what would that be? 867 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,440 6061? I'm just calling up 67. 868 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,240 So it was one of those things for the first time I'm like, OK, 869 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,480 right, what am I going to do? COVID was here. 870 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,480 I enjoyed that. And that kind of that did me a 871 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,080 favor to be honest, because I'd been so busy for so many years, 872 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,640 you know, traveling around the world and you know, the teams 873 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,000 and stuff. I was doing daft things, you 874 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,520 know, like I was working 330 days a year and stuff. 875 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,800 And the days were ridiculous, you know, so you'd go away to 876 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,200 South Africa for 8 weeks and you'd be up in the morning at 877 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,360 5:00 and you know, you and, and you just did it. 878 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,120 It was great. It was absolutely tremendous. 879 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,600 But you didn't know what was going on when you were in it. 880 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,000 And then when a chance to reflect on it, I thought, right, 881 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,720 OK, what am I going to do? And I just basically let it run. 882 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,880 So things like Newton Mills, the Golf Academy, they all said, why 883 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,000 don't you come in and do a couple of days for us? 884 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,480 We're pretty busy. So I've been doing that for the 885 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,680 last number of years. So do Sundays and Tuesdays. 886 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,960 OK, They, they organized that. I just followed up a day before 887 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,960 what my timetable is, right? I've been a the Stephen 888 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,760 Gallagher Foundation. I coaching that we have four or 889 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,200 five squads for that youngsters, all youngsters below are 890 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,520 generally below the the Scottish boys team, right. 891 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,480 So we're trying to kind of help them to get to the Scottish boys 892 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,120 team if you like. So So what we're hoping for is 893 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,200 that they come through a year or two there, they make the team 894 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,160 and then they can go into this the the national squad from 895 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,440 there. And then that frees up some 896 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,840 space. So for the others. 897 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,600 So that's a kind of winter thing. 898 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,720 That's, that's every side. I'll be pretty much right 899 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,640 through the winter. And then I, I look at, you know, 900 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,800 a few guys that I look after, you know, Richie's kind of one 901 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,760 of them of this is he has been 26 years or something. 902 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:55,080 So, so I still want him. I go at tournaments with him, so 903 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,760 I had a few other youngsters, you know, so my diary is quite, 904 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,440 quite varied, which is good. So if, you know, people will 905 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,480 maybe get in touch and go. Yeah, I hear you've got to be 906 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,240 about a time, you know, can you help me? 907 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,080 And I go, yeah, yeah. So I've got a few young lines I 908 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,440 quite like spend a lot of time with and, you know, trying to 909 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,680 help them, trying to become as as good as I possibly can. 910 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,160 So yeah, it's pretty so still, still pretty busy some sometimes 911 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,920 maybe best feeling I want to be at times, but no, you know, so 912 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,920 get about a time for my hobbies and stuff like that. 913 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,480 So it's quite good. You know, but our old age. 914 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,520 Hi. And if you get a piece of advice 915 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,360 for any, obviously any player, we shouldn't just say young 916 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,040 players, but any player because your things can happen at any 917 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,800 age for different people. What would be your main piece of 918 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,880 advice for folk that are trying to improve their game 919 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,080 effectively and and get to a different level? 920 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,680 I think your game doesn't change. 921 00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,080 I mean, you're, your technique will be quite similar to what it 922 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,600 was probably 20 years ago, right? 923 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,320 So what you're trying to do is you should agree on a plan of 924 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,560 what you're doing, right? So you're trying to get from A 925 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,400 to B right now. We might never reach B, right? 926 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,080 But if you agree on it with your coach or whatever, and you 927 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,600 should say, right, that's what I'm trying to go, right? 928 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,040 The golf game is not linear. So you'll go through spells, but 929 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,840 it's good. And then it'll drop off a little 930 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,440 bit. That's just being a human being. 931 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,840 So it's again, understanding that. 932 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,240 So if you agree on where you're going, then stick to that. 933 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,000 What I see a lot of times is that people chop and change 934 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,960 things. They're looking for quite a 935 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,440 quick answer and there's not a quick answer, right? 936 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,360 So once you agree it right, this is what I do and this is what 937 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,280 I'm trying to do, Right? Good. 938 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,560 Well, all convinced for that, yeah, let's go with that, right. 939 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,760 Rather than, oh, there must be something new, there must be 940 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,160 something else that I can do, you know. 941 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:15,000 So a lot of the time it's it can be a lot more straightforward, 942 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,400 right? But we can make it quite 943 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:25,200 complicated and feel, I would say to people feel is a constant 944 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,000 change. So your body chemistry is 945 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,360 constantly changing. So we wake up in the morning, we 946 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,080 feel pretty good. We pick up the club and we're 947 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,600 going, oh, this is feel great. And you know, and you go out and 948 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,880 you, you and your own game, you'll go out and space. 949 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,680 I'm playing magnificent, right. But what is it? 950 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,000 What has changed? Right. 951 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,600 Because you've just put everything together well and you 952 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,680 you run with that. And then if you're not playing 953 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,880 well after that, it hasn't, you know, if you filmed that you 954 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:57,960 would go. It looks the same. 955 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,400 Yeah, it's, you know, it's what's the difference, right. 956 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,720 And in which stop chasing a feel, right? 957 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,360 Because it feels different. So I would say if people use the 958 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,760 movement to get the feel around the field, to get the movement 959 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,480 right. So again, if you agree and 960 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,520 understand this is what I'm trying to do, right? 961 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,960 Let's go and do that. Let's go through the movement. 962 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,680 Ah, that's what it feels like today. 963 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,080 And that's what's going to change. 964 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,400 Because the amount of people have said to me, oh, I felt 965 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,880 great three weeks ago and now it feels poor, well, it's probably 966 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,240 not too dissimilar. Right. 967 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280 It's probably moved a bit 3mm or something at some point and just 968 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,680 run your. Stuff like, you know that like I 969 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,040 laugh at people say to me, you know, you're out with them and, 970 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,960 and they'll say, oh, did you, did you notice that I changed 971 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,200 something there? You know, I tried to do this and 972 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,640 I'm like, no, no, it's not at all. 973 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,680 But a feeling is massive, isn't it? 974 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,760 And I think that puts us off. So my key and I think would be 975 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,280 that agree on what you're what you're trying to do and in stick 976 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,400 with that. So rather than chopping and 977 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,680 changing, there's one thing for sure. 978 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,240 When you see players who start changing caddies, coaches, 979 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,520 equipment, you're like on or, and this is a constant, you 980 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,080 know, you see them changing from coach to coach and you go, 981 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,240 that's not a good way to do it. Yeah, absolutely. 982 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,040 And the end up kind of, you know, some, some will be OK, but 983 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,800 some will fall off a Cliff, you know, and it's a shame because 984 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,080 they they sometimes don't realize what, what good stuff 985 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,760 they've got. No, it's great advice here. 986 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,040 If that makes sense. No, absolutely that. 987 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,800 That's great advice. So, Austin, thanks so much for 988 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,920 coming on and it's been great to hear from your brilliant 989 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,920 stories, a great career and. It's been fun for sure. 990 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,920 No, you're welcome. ABS, you're absolutely welcome. 991 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,600 Thank you. OK, thanks. 992 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:14,960 Thanks, Rose. I'd like to thank him for his 993 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,520 time and for sharing so many incredible stories and insights 994 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,760 from a lifetime spent coaching at the highest level of the 995 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,840 game. If you enjoyed this episode, 996 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,280 make sure to subscribe and switch on automatic downloads. 997 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,600 Whatever you're listening. 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