1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,440 Hey, Coleman, what are we going to talk about in the podcast 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,720 today? Hey, I'm Coleman and I built the 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,840 launch monitor at home so that you can too. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,280 Welcome back to Linked by Golf, the podcast exploring the 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,440 connections and journeys of people linked by the game. 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,080 I'm your host, Ross McGuire, and this week I'm joined by Coleman 7 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:23,280 Rollins, a keen amateur golfer who has embarked on a journey to 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,800 build his own launch monitor. In this episode, we discussed 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Coleman's love for golf and how this project is progressing so 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,159 far. Let's go over to Coleman. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,880 Hey, Coleman, thanks for joining the podcast. 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,400 How you doing? Hey, good. 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,040 Ross, thank you so much for having me. 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,200 It's a pleasure and we're going to jump straight. 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,960 And Coleman, so you've been posted on Instagram about your 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,320 journey. Worth building a launch monitor 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,600 of your own. I'd love you to tell the Austers 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,640 at a high level how you're getting on with that and what 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,280 took you down that path. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,880 So I, I think every couple of months as a golfer in the 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,080 community these days, we see all kinds of launch monitors coming 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,800 across our feeds. And every few months I would 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,800 think about what do I need to buy one? 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,920 I, I kind of want one. I would use it. 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,120 But every time I went through this exercise, I realized that 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,840 they're either too expensive for the really nice ones, or the 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,840 cheap ones aren't very good, or they require subscriptions to 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,960 use, which is another financial burden. 29 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,760 And in my experience, the software for all of them is not 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,160 very good. And myself, I'm a software 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,040 engineer and I thought, well, maybe I'll give this a try, I'll 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,760 see if I can build my own. And started posting on social 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,160 media and everyone is really into it. 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Absolutely. And call me, we've jumped 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,320 straight and we've jumped straight to the part that we're 36 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,360 going to talk about right through the podcast. 37 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,080 But you've clearly got an American accent, so where are 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,360 you from and what took you into the game in the first place? 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,600 Yeah, so I grew up in the state of Minnesota, in the states in 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,280 the major city, Minneapolis, and I grew up caddying at a Country 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,560 Club there, right in Minneapolis from a from the age of 13, I 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,040 think. So I was around the game a lot 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,840 every day in the summer and working at a Country Club back 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,640 then, you know, all the members had all the new gear all the 45 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:30,360 time. And, you know, I got to know 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,800 the, the, the professionals working at the club. 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,640 I got to know the, you know, the teaching guys. 48 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,200 And eventually I kind of transitioned to working in the 49 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,320 pro shop and, you know, cleaning the golf carts and driving the 50 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,440 range picker around. And, you know, that job was just 51 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,840 amazing. It it got me on the golf course 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,880 every single day and it got me around some really good golfers 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,960 who I who I learned a lot from. Brilliant. 54 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,600 And how much did you play when you started the Country Club? 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,880 I guess maybe not much at the start, but how much did you play 56 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,360 as time went on? Yeah, not much at the start, but 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,120 as I kind of grew older and, and made my way to college, I kind 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,160 of kept my, my one day a week range cleanup job just so I 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,120 could keep my golf privileges. And I and I was playing all the 60 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,080 time, man, you know, 2-3 nights a week. 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,240 I was getting out and I was hitting balls every day at the 62 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,440 driving range there. I would. 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,320 I would just love going there by myself in the evening. 64 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,200 I could spend the whole day at the driving range. 65 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,560 So because you were working at the Country Club, you go to have 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,440 balls anytime you want to basically outside. 67 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Yes, exactly. That's a dream job when you're 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,280 done, AJ. It is is incredible man. 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,040 And of course, the range was beautiful and the balls were 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,160 nice and it was perfect. And do you still live in the 71 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,040 Minnesota area or have you moved elsewhere in the states now? 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,680 So I spent about nine years living in Chicago and working 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,520 there, and then my wife and I have been in Seattle, now on the 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,480 West Coast of the States, for about four years. 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,440 And do you play a lot at the moment? 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,360 I know you're in the launch monitor so you must be hitting 77 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,400 some balls anyway, but do you get to play much these days? 78 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,440 I do, yeah. I'm playing honestly more than 79 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,360 ever because the season is so much longer out here. 80 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,480 And tomorrow morning I'm actually going to Band of Dunes 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,040 with some friends, so I'm very excited for that. 82 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,120 It's going to be a little chilly, a little rainy, but 83 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,480 that's OK. And yeah, the season is just so 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,040 long out here. It's great. 85 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:37,520 And I noticed recently, did I see you posting you played 86 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,680 Chambers Bay where they had I guess the US Open, right? 87 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,360 That was your speech, one were you playing? 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,360 Right, that's right. Yeah. 89 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,880 One of my good friends is a member out there and I've played 90 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,200 there probably a dozen times at this point and it's it's a 91 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,600 really special place. So what's chambers be like? 92 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,000 I mean, we saw it many, many years ago when Spaeth one. 93 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,040 What's it like to actually play when you're an amateur and and 94 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,360 you're a good golfer, but what's it actually like when you get 95 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,880 there? Yeah. 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,440 You know, it's it's one of the most incredible views that you 97 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,560 can get in this side of the country. 98 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,840 It's right on the Puget Sound. And you know, it's it's a very 99 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:17,320 interesting golf course because it's very wide open off the tee. 100 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:21,440 And so you can get, it can trick you into think you're playing 101 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,920 really well because you're hitting a lot of fairways, but 102 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,120 the greens and the, and the slopes around the greens are 103 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,880 really, really tricky. And oftentimes your score will 104 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,600 rely on whether or not you got the right bounce One Direction 105 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,840 or the other. Because there's a lot to learn 106 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:41,040 about the complexes of the greens and and how they work. 107 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:43,080 It's really, it's a great golf course. 108 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,200 And is there any other courses in the Seattle area that you 109 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,040 tend to play quite a bit at the moment? 110 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,200 Yeah, that's a great question. You know, there's, I would say 111 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,840 most of the good courses that I like are South of the city. 112 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,440 There's another one right in the shadow of Mount Rainier called 113 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,240 the Home Course that I really like. 114 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,200 And I'm still trying to network my way to get to some of the 115 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,880 other really nicer clubs like Sahali Country Club, which is 116 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,160 where they had the the Women's PGA Championship last year. 117 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,640 There's a lot of, really. Good ones, I think one in the 118 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,600 PGA Championship there many years ago. 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,720 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, wow. 120 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,720 And then in terms of access to the courses, I guess a lot of 121 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,480 sort of country clubs and stuff. But do you have here in the UK, 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,520 we've got this notion of having like open competitions where you 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,720 can go and play a course and it's they're just green fee and 124 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:40,680 sort of just green fee. And anyone from any club in the 125 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,080 area or anywhere actually with a handicap of a certain level can, 126 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,880 can join that competition and play. 127 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,880 Is that something you get in the States and and the Washington 128 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,280 area? You know, not as much as I would 129 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,360 like. That sounds really great. 130 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,680 But you know, unfortunately my tournament opportunities are 131 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,480 only only a couple every summer, right? 132 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,440 There's the state amateur and the state mid amateur. 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,600 OK. And then I, I also sometimes 134 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,240 play some tournaments in on a smaller scale, but but I wish we 135 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,920 had that. Yeah. 136 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,200 And do you ever do like member guests and stuff like that? 137 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,720 Do you get access to those kind of? 138 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,280 I don't yet have a good member friend to tap in for that, but 139 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,760 soon, hopefully soon. Yeah. 140 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,720 And it's just as interesting to hear the difference between the 141 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,120 UK and the USI mean, the US is very Country Club centric. 142 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,080 I know there's still a reasonable number of public 143 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,720 courses. We're very lucky in the UK. 144 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,840 There's there's of course many I guess hard to get into golf 145 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,720 clubs and expensive to get into golf clubs, but there's still 146 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,120 especially I would say in Scotland and and the wider parts 147 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,120 of the UK will be from the London air. 148 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,720 There's a lot of courses you can just rock up and play, and 149 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,720 membership isn't that expensive and you know it's not a massive 150 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,840 barrier in the game. That's really great. 151 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:01,680 That's really. Great. 152 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Yeah, well, you get you over here for the game. 153 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,640 That's one thing we can work on. That's right. 154 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,880 Please do. So then we got you on here to 155 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,720 talk about launch monitors and just before we started the Podgy 156 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,680 that your famous tagline. So you basically you wanted to 157 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,360 build a launch monitor so other people can as well and I can 158 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,000 open source basis. But often all you talked just to 159 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,640 the start about the idea, the concept, but where do you begin? 160 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,000 How does it actually start? What do you start with and 161 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,000 what's the first thing you are the first things you need to do 162 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,159 when you want to build your own launch monitor. 163 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,559 Yeah, that's a great question. So to start with, there's two 164 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,000 main categories of launch monitors. 165 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,720 There's ones that are based on radar and there's ones that are 166 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,280 based on camera. And I initially chose radar 167 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:59,440 because for one, it's cheaper, the equipment required is 168 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,880 cheaper, and two, it's a little bit quicker to get going. 169 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:06,600 At least that's what I thought. I've learned a lot since then. 170 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,680 But that was kind of where I started was OK, I need to figure 171 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,560 out how to how to work a radar. And by chance, one of my oldest 172 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:20,000 friends from college is a PhD radar guy. 173 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,840 Yeah. And so he has been a huge 174 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,000 resource for me, very helpful in learning the technology and 175 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,440 figuring this out. So I ran the idea by him. 176 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,000 He was super into it. He was really excited about the 177 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,440 idea. But I win. 178 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,800 And is he a golfer? Just to ask, is he someone who 179 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,720 plays golf? Unfortunately not, right, But 180 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,360 he's he, he's now he said he wants to try and publish a paper 181 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,280 on this technology of radar launch monitor. 182 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,240 So that's pretty cool. Yeah. 183 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,840 So, yeah, man, I, you know, I chose radar. 184 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:06,680 I ran the idea by him and I I went to my favorite AI 185 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:11,720 companion, Claude, and I said I need to run a radar. 186 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,400 I'm thinking about this and that, like, what parts do I 187 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,000 need? And then I started going. 188 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,040 So what parts do you need Things. 189 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,800 What do you attach the radar to and what does that look like? 190 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,080 Yeah. So the radar the our our 191 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,120 computer, our brain of the device is a Raspberry Pi, which 192 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,240 for the listeners who might not know is just a small computer. 193 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,280 And it's great. It's small and compact, but the 194 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,720 computing power of it is limited. 195 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,960 Yeah. So there are some limitations 196 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,240 with the Raspberry Pi, but that's where I started and 197 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,800 there's a huge ecosystem of Raspberry Pi technology and 198 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,800 components that are available for really cheap price. 199 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,280 So that was the choice that made sense. 200 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Right. And then once you've got it I 201 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,160 guess hooked up to a Raspberry Pi, where'd it go from there? 202 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,000 What? What can? 203 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,360 Are you actually just putting that radar down at a driving 204 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,800 engine, hitting some box and seeing what actually comes up on 205 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,120 the screen? What does that work? 206 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,880 Yeah, you just turn it on and see what you get. 207 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,880 So what's fascinating and what I've learned about radars is 208 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,800 that every, every single thing that the radar detects has a 209 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,560 very unique shape in the data, right? 210 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,520 And so you can imagine the signals coming back from the 211 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,800 radar as kind of waves. And the nature of the radar I'm 212 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,040 I'm using is called the Doppler radar. 213 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Yeah. And so it sends out radar waves 214 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,280 and they bounce back off of things and then we can see like 215 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,640 the strength of how they bounce back and the frequency and 216 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,920 etcetera. And that never stops. 217 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,400 It's all it's caught once it's switched on, it's constant. 218 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,080 There's radar being sent permanently, effectively out of 219 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,920 that device. Yes, exactly. 220 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,360 And the the phenomenon of Doppler radars, you know when a 221 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,960 when a ambulance or a police car drives by you and their sirens 222 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:21,640 are on and, and the sound kind of changes pitch when it goes by 223 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,680 you. Yeah. 224 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,080 You know, it's like, you know, that's that the, the, the 225 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,040 physics involved in that is called the Doppler shift. 226 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:39,520 And depending on how much that shift changes, we can calculate 227 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,080 how fast that thing is going. Right. 228 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,080 So that's the, that's what this whole radar launch monitor is 229 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,240 based off of. And if you saw just for people 230 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,520 listening, if you put down a, let's say a Doppler radar and 231 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,120 I'm going to say you're pointing it down a driving range, does 232 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,440 the dog parade go out like a kind of scatter gun or does it 233 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,000 go out like a sniper rifle? If you want, Is it go on a 234 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,880 straight line or does it go on a dispersion? 235 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,720 How does it? How does it slip the radar out? 236 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,480 Yeah, great question. It's kind of a cone. 237 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:21,040 Right. And depending on your radar and 238 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,200 how strong it is, my radar in particular, probably about 6 239 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,840 feet, 6 to 10 feet is the effective range of it. 240 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Wow. And there's certainly a lot of 241 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,000 trial and error of like where, where do I need to position it, 242 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,920 excuse me to get the right. View Wow. 243 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,960 So stage 1, as you've got a raspy pie, you've connected a 244 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,040 Doppler radar to it, when I should have asked, what's the 245 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,440 screen? How do you see the screen? 246 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,720 Or did you just plug into another computer at the start or 247 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,680 what did that would be? Yeah, the screen is connected to 248 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,600 the Raspberry Pi. Right. 249 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,720 And they make lots of screens for Raspberry Pi's. 250 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,480 It's a. It's a real common thing. 251 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,920 So you've got like, your homemade dopplerator on the site 252 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,400 of Raspberry Pi in a screen, which are just like effectively 253 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,720 stuck together for one, a better word in layman's terms, Yeah. 254 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,000 And you're then hat and golf balls on the page to see what's 255 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,840 happening. Yeah. 256 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:34,400 So initially I I started with a Doppler radar that was about as 257 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,600 big as a postage stamp. It was very small. 258 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,480 Wow. And I quickly discovered that 259 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,680 that was not nearly enough for what I needed. 260 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,160 And so after some more research, I landed on a commercially 261 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,320 available radar that's probably, you know, about this big now, 262 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,720 probably as big as maybe a, a greeting card or something like 263 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,240 that. Yeah, or even like Watch iPhone 264 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,080 or something. Is that that? 265 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Kind of stuff. Exactly, exactly. 266 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,120 And it's, it's a little more expensive, but it's much more 267 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,080 powerful and much more customizable and kind of 268 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,840 configurable. Right. 269 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,120 And that was a really great choice because I've also 270 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,640 established a relationship with the company who makes it because 271 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,880 they've, they've gotten wind of this project and, and having 272 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,160 some trouble figuring it out. So they're they're helping me. 273 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,480 Well, that's really close. They're actually giving you 274 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,960 feedback on your questions you've got and that's shoes that 275 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,360 you're heading against or just features you want to try and put 276 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,360 in place. That's really cool. 277 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,280 Fantastic. So then you've got you're on the 278 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,720 range. What are you then seeing in the 279 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,040 data and on the screen? What kind of things are? 280 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,720 And I'm going to maybe just cover analogy for people that 281 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,200 wouldn't, and I wouldn't look at our radar screen, but I can 282 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,920 imagine what this is. Is it almost like just 283 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,760 background noise? If you're in a restaurant, for 284 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,680 example, there's just always this constant water of noise in 285 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,120 the background. And then if you were trying to 286 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,480 identify, say, my voice versus your voice, you then need to do 287 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,000 some kind of filtration to figure out the thing that you're 288 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,520 looking for. Is that how it works? 289 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,240 Exactly, that's exactly right. You know, I mentioned earlier 290 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,680 that every everything that you want to see with the radar has a 291 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:28,000 very unique shape in the data and it's our job to find that 292 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,120 shape amongst the noise. OK. 293 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,960 And that's part of what my my radar friend Jerry shout out, 294 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,640 Jerry, that's part of what he's been teaching me about is OK. 295 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,960 So we we turn on the radar and we and we gather a bunch of 296 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,320 data, not swinging, not doing anything. 297 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,920 And so this is our noise kind of baseline. 298 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,840 OK. And that just looks like a. 299 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,720 If you were to plot it on a graph, it's just like a band. 300 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,320 Kind of. And then when then you turn it 301 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,960 off, OK, turn it back on and then step in front of the radar 302 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,480 and take some swings. And you can see in the data we 303 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,520 capture that the band goes, goes, goes. 304 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,960 And then you can kind of see where I stood in front of it. 305 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,440 And then you can see a huge spike when we make a swing. 306 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,960 Right, because it's detected in faster motion or just to fight 307 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,840 to this motion? Faster motion, exactly. 308 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,720 So this the speed of the movement actually helped makes 309 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,920 it easier to identify there's change there. 310 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,800 Absolutely yes. Wow, I see. 311 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,760 Easier. So to give the lusters an idea 312 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,200 and actually where do you do your testing? 313 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,880 Do you do a range or do you do in like a garbage or a basement 314 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,720 or something? I do so I do 90% of it right 315 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,800 here in my office or in the garage. 316 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,720 Wow. And then when I feel like I'm 317 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,760 ready to, to test it at the range, like yesterday, I went 318 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,520 and did some testing. I'll bring it over there and and 319 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,040 hit some balls and hope everything works well enough to 320 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,640 gather some good data for to come back and work on it. 321 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,680 And when you first started, like how many balls did you need to 322 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,600 have just to get an indication of what was going on? 323 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,000 And what did your process look like to get the feedback and 324 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,200 stuff? You know, that's a great 325 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:27,560 question because I, as a software engineer, am very used 326 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:32,120 to making a change and being able to see if it works right 327 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,960 away. And since this project is both 328 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,960 software and hardware, I'm having a really hard time with 329 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,880 the hardware aspect because it takes a long time to figure out 330 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,920 if what you're doing actually works. 331 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,880 And if it doesn't, sometimes you need a new part that takes like, 332 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,640 you know, you got to order in the, in the mail from Amazon. 333 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:01,720 And so I, I, to answer your question, I've spent hundreds of 334 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:08,200 hours trial and error testing and for a long time I was enough 335 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,160 was just kind of swinging a club in front of it just to see if 336 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,000 that would register. But yeah, like you said, at a 337 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,640 certain point you really have to test it out on a true, you know, 338 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,080 situation where you would use it. 339 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,880 And, you know, that costs money. I need to go to the range and 340 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,520 buy some balls because I don't have a SIM set up at home or 341 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,560 anything. Of course, because you need you 342 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,360 have something to test that again. 343 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:37,840 So you've got a baseline of even the ball speed and stuff where 344 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,560 you've got no idea what's going on life. 345 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,440 Exactly. Yeah, really. 346 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,400 So it's a slow, it's a slow process. 347 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,880 What can I March in and how long have you been on this project 348 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,960 now, Coleman, how long have you been going with us? 349 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,280 Only since about the start of December. 350 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,280 Really. Wow. 351 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,000 If you've been enjoying the show, please do remember to 352 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,480 follow on your favorite podcast platform and share it with a 353 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,680 friend. Now let's get back to the pod. 354 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,200 And in that time, well, if you would just say you've been able 355 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,800 to achieve at least for the first parts that you feel are 356 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,960 really solid. If you look at some, if there's 357 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,960 some metrics you think are, you know, important for people that 358 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,560 would be the kind of baselines are looking for, what kind of 359 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,400 things you've been able to identify so far? 360 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,120 Yeah. I mean, I think think I've got a 361 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:40,000 good baseline of having a radar that detects speed of Golf Club 362 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,200 and golf ball. No doubt about that. 363 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,760 Right now, the current challenge is fine tuning the radar. 364 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,040 Right. Because there's a ton of things 365 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,760 that I just don't know about it and I need to learn. 366 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,920 And like you mentioned earlier, the project is all open source. 367 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,320 And so now, since people have been seeing the project and 368 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,720 getting excited about it, I'm hoping to have other people 369 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,120 contribute who are also interested in doing 1. 370 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,880 Yeah. And then just by to the club 371 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:16,520 head speed and the ball speed. So if you put down like APRGR or 372 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,440 a stock radar or see you in a top Tracer range or something, I 373 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,680 mean what are the numbers like just for cop head and ball speed 374 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,800 compared to what other reasons you're getting elsewhere? 375 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,200 Pretty close. Pretty close I would say. 376 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,960 I would say better than Top Tracer. 377 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,080 Wow. But not as good as Trackman. 378 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,840 Right, my friends that try, you know, be pleased to hear that. 379 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,280 That's really cool. So you've been able to get, 380 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,520 let's say, top trace of quality data on ball speed club head 381 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:55,360 speed yes, our Raspberry Pi and our radar you bought yourself. 382 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:58,160 That is incredible. And obviously hundreds of hours 383 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,000 of work. You know, I don't want to be in 384 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,800 play it that that the real crazy part is it meant a working test 385 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,960 and you've had to do it right. That's right. 386 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,240 That's right. And ideally, aside from dialing 387 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:16,440 in the radar, the next goal will be to generate an accurate carry 388 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,880 distance estimation. OK. 389 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,400 And for that we need spin and launch angle. 390 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,560 And do you get the spinning launch angle from the radar or 391 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,960 do you need some other way of getting the spinning launch 392 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,480 angle? How would that work, Coleman? 393 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:40,600 Yeah, so there's two parts to it for the launch angle. 394 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,600 So my I also have a small camera connected to the Raspberry Pi, 395 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000 right. And so the my thought there is 396 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,800 to capture the ball leaving the club. 397 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,040 OK. And to calculate the launch 398 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,360 angle that way. Right. 399 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,520 Like with recording. Yeah. 400 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,240 And then when it comes to the spin, so another fascinating 401 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,600 thing that I learned from the manufacturers of the radar is 402 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:18,720 that when a ball is spinning in the air, it kind of wobbles a 403 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:25,280 little bit. So the the the radar waves 404 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,360 bouncing off of it will show this little wobble. 405 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,840 And so you can you can figure out the spin from that. 406 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,400 No way. So I'm going to use layman's 407 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,680 terms, but effectively the ball vibrating and that's it. 408 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,800 That's it. Yes, you can read that from like 409 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,120 5-5 feet on a ball that's been hurt to say about the 160 miles 410 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,040 an hour. Hopefully we're not there yet, 411 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,880 but hopefully. That's fascinating. 412 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,040 That's that's crazy. Why? 413 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,480 I know. That's really cool, yeah. 414 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,600 So that, you know, when it comes to that point, I think I am 415 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,400 going to have to get like a net or something to hit in my 416 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,640 backyard because I can't be spending $15 every time I go to. 417 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,760 I think we can manage to create social net. 418 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,400 Yeah, please. I'm sure we can do that, common. 419 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,560 The community will come together and get the garden. 420 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,920 That's no problem at all. If there's any any home 421 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,320 simulator companies that want to help me out, that'd be great. 422 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,160 And the things you've been doing, so just to talk people 423 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,760 through your Instagram, just talk the lobsters through what 424 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,840 you've been doing on Instagram to I guess, document the journey 425 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,560 and bring more people along with you. 426 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,920 I'd love to hear about that, Coleman. 427 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,600 Yeah, I think that's been a really big learning process too. 428 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,720 And what's really interesting, as I was just talking with my 429 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,320 wife this morning and people really enjoy seeing you try 430 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,720 something and, and fail at it, which is, which is very, which 431 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,960 is fascinating because half of my videos have been like, well, 432 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,200 I tried this and it didn't work. See you tomorrow, we'll try 433 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,440 something else. And I think being just really 434 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,440 honest about this thing that you're learning how to do and 435 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,360 like, come along, learn with me. And not only that, but 436 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,480 everything that I've learned that I've learned is free and 437 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,240 available for you to learn too. I think people really appreciate 438 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,640 that. Yeah, absolutely. 439 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,560 I mean, you've been swooping and I think the part is is 440 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,960 compelling. Then as you're saying that 441 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,120 people are more interested or maybe no more, but definitely 442 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,720 engagement levels when you've put a kind of failure out there, 443 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,360 but then they see you back the next day worthy either maybe I 444 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,040 failed again and I've learned something or do you know what? 445 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,240 I managed to crack that problem for Kelly, Yes, he's on a night 446 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,920 move. It becomes almost like a little 447 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,560 money can. A drama series is just plain on 448 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,680 every game. And I see money in the sense of 449 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,040 short form, right? It's just here's a 32nd clip 450 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,720 update, right? What we're getting today. 451 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,840 Yeah, yeah, I think you got it. It's a fascinating thing. 452 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,600 And yeah, I've gotten so many messages from people who are so 453 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000 interested and so fascinated. What's really interesting too is 454 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,040 I've gotten a lot of messages of people trying to commercialize 455 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,560 this. Right. 456 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,520 And I tell them, no, that's not what this is about. 457 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,200 This is a community project. Yeah, because let's do the 458 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,040 tagline. We recorded, or should I say you 459 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,320 recorded that part record and you said it, but help me with 460 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,960 the tagline again. Hey, I'm Coleman and I've built 461 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,000 the launch monitor at home so you can't too. 462 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,320 Yeah, absolutely. That's that's brilliant. 463 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,440 So you're basically saying, hey, it's not necessarily anyone who 464 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,680 can do this, but you're trying to bring down barriers for 465 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,360 people to have, I guess like a good enough launch monitor in 466 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,600 the house. Yeah, we're not trying to take 467 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,960 on, you know, amazing brands. You're not trying to make an 468 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,240 elite level launch monitor. You're trying to give something 469 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,040 that people could use at home that maybe only want to spend, I 470 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,800 don't know, 4, five, $600.00 and get something that's really nice 471 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,120 and and they've done it. They'll say you're not trying to 472 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,160 go and to high end market yourself. 473 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,640 Exactly. Exactly. 474 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,800 And then so other than being asked on a podcast, which is 475 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,840 strange enough in itself, what other kind of weird and 476 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,640 wonderful questions have you been asked through Instagram and 477 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,840 other places about the journey and how it's going so far? 478 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,800 Yeah, yeah, I've gotten a lot of people who are very keen to 479 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,560 help. Oh good. 480 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,520 Yeah, so that's really great. Interestingly, way more people 481 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,880 from Instagram want to help them from TikTok. 482 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,920 I don't know if that's an age group thing or what, but just, 483 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,680 you know, I've gotten, I did AQ and a for the golf works news 484 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,360 site, which was very cool. I also just this morning got a 485 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:59,560 message from a sorry, an instructor on Instagram called 486 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,360 named Shaheen Shaheen Nakshavani, right? 487 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520 And I don't know if you've heard of him before, but I've looked 488 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,160 up to him for a long time. He's a really good, smart guy 489 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,920 and great, great instructor. And he messaged me today and 490 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,320 said, Hey, man, I love what you're doing. 491 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,480 And it's like, wow, that's that's. 492 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,680 Cool. That's really cool. 493 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,680 Yeah, that's really nice. That is awesome. 494 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,160 Then Coleman, just following in a little bit more on the launch 495 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,320 monitor and and what stages you've come through. 496 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,520 So we cannot go to the part. You've got a screen, you've got 497 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,640 your Raspberry Pi, you've got your Doppler radar connected, 498 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,440 you've got a camera as well. How do they all fit together? 499 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800 Because there's a part that you released the other day and a 500 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,160 video that I think would really get people excited, right? 501 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,640 And also not excited enough. But you've started taking stages 502 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,880 now and milestones that are really grabbing attention. 503 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,160 So talk the listeners through what that might be. 504 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,520 Yes. So that would be the enclosure 505 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,760 that puts it all together, which I'm very proud of. 506 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,280 And I also enlisted the help of another smart friend. 507 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,680 This one's name is Peter. And he, I've known him my whole 508 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,560 life. He's one of my best friends. 509 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,400 And you know, he's got all those big tools in his garage where 510 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,120 you can like machine parts and, and create, I don't know, cut 511 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,320 down steel and stuff like that. And. 512 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Wow. And I asked him, hey, would you 513 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,280 be interested in helping me with this project like I need, I need 514 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,080 an enclosure for all my technology. 515 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,240 And he said yes, absolutely. And he built it for me and it's 516 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,320 really cool. Wow, that is awesome. 517 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,000 So he put together, did you give him a spec or did he did you 518 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,680 just give him kind of rough measurements? 519 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,200 How did they put that together then? 520 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,920 Yeah, so I told them I I gave them the specs for how big the 521 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,720 screen is and and how big the radar is and you know what the 522 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,840 radar needs as far as space. And I gave him full creative 523 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,440 control. I said, you go whatever you 524 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,480 think. He's the his job. 525 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,960 He's a, he's an engineer by trades. 526 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,600 I told, I told him, go ahead, man. 527 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:19,240 You, you design it. It turned out awesome. 528 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,800 I've got to ask a simple question, but I'm just thinking 529 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640 here, how's it powered? Coleman, I forgot to ask, how is 530 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,360 powered tighter you get power to the unit, the screen, how do you 531 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040 do that? So right now it just plugs into 532 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,160 the outlet. Right. 533 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,480 Yeah, it definitely would ideally have a battery someday. 534 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,080 Course, yeah. But right now I got to carry 535 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,120 around a big cable with me whenever I go to the traffic. 536 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,080 You need to get a Bay that's right next to the yeah 537 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,120 electrical sockets so you can get some power on. 538 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,640 Exactly. People walk by there. 539 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,880 What is this guy doing? I. 540 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,560 Hope you're putting down a safety cable cover. 541 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,040 Yeah, no tripping over this one. That's awesome. 542 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880 So you're just taking a long and what if the driving range, She's 543 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240 been saying if they got any feedback, are they on board? 544 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,360 What are they thinking about it? You know, so I've got a few 545 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,200 friends. I'm friends with the guys who 546 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,160 work at the local driving range and, and they love it. 547 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,640 You know, I'm there two times a week and I see them. 548 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,640 How's it going today, Coleman? What are you testing out like? 549 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,240 Well, I got this, this and this, and sometimes if it's really 550 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,720 slow and I'm lucky, they'll let me on the track, man. 551 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,440 Right. With the nice golf balls so. 552 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,920 That's great. Yeah. 553 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,280 And is the range getting any attention stresses or people in 554 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,400 the area, Then you'll get to know about the range and 555 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,800 starting to go there and asking, hey, where's Coleman tonight? 556 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,920 I didn't see this guy. You know, that's a good point. 557 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,440 They they aren't getting any attention, but I should be 558 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,200 giving them more attention because those guys are well. 559 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,440 That's awesome. So they have to put scarf. 560 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,120 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 561 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,040 And we'll get on the show notes as welcome and anyone we've 562 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,280 tagged today in the conversation, we can catch up 563 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,520 afterwards. We'll make sure they're all 564 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640 mentioned in the show notes. It's really important to have 565 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,000 that as well. Then we've got effectively a 566 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,600 launch monitor and an enclosure. How big is the enclosure? 567 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,960 If you thought about if you're looking like an iPhone or a 568 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,040 laptop or something, what kind of size is it? 569 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,920 I would say it's about maybe half the size of a shoe box. 570 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,520 Right. It's not that big. 571 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,120 That's probably good actually for, I mean effectively version 572 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,200 one. That's incredible. 573 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,960 Isn't it? Yeah, that's right. 574 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,040 It's it's, it's just about as big as I would have expected. 575 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,960 And you know no, no bigger than than GC quad or you know the 576 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,480 Bushnell. Yeah. 577 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,640 Yeah. Wow, that was really cool small 578 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,000 and then you mentioned you've got an open source project as 579 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,960 well, so we can get that in the show notes. 580 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,200 I'll get those details off you. Great. 581 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080 What what stuff to come? What are the next phases and the 582 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,200 what are the chapters coming up? Where are we going to? 583 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,840 What videos we're going to see next on Instagram from you? 584 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,400 Yeah man, so one thing many people have asked me about is 585 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,440 integrating with simulator software. 586 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,440 Well, that would be nice if you could do that. 587 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,880 Wow. Yeah, Yep. 588 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,200 So that's something that I'm very interested in. 589 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,360 I don't think it'll actually be as hard as as it sounds, knock 590 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,480 on wood, but that's a big one, you know, figuring out the spin, 591 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480 that's a big one. I would also like to start 592 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,640 building some software to try and gather some data about your 593 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,280 session, your range session. Right. 594 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,080 So like, store information about what you've actually done. 595 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,680 Yes, yes. And try to get, you know, try to 596 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,760 learn something, get some analysis, some insights from, 597 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,800 from your data. I think that would be. 598 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,560 That was actually one of the main reasons I started the 599 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,600 project is because none of the other launch monitors let you 600 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,600 take your data from them. Yeah. 601 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,680 And do something with it, you know, whatever that may be. 602 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,960 Put it in a spreadsheet or whatever you know. 603 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,320 I think it's an it's an interesting point, Coleman. 604 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,199 And I don't know if there's maybe a worry from potentially 605 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:22,000 the the range owners more than like Trackman or Top Tracer or 606 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,760 whoever. I don't think it would matter to 607 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,679 them actually. I think you know it, but I 608 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,360 wonder if there's just the concern of, well, if the person 609 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,400 learns enough from that whack. But in reality is you're going 610 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,080 to have so many hundreds of golf balls and there'd be so many 611 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,520 failures in there that unless you kind of really put effort 612 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,239 into learning what the data means and what you can do with 613 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,159 it, you wouldn't learn a lot. But you actually would need to 614 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:49,840 have a purpose of taking the data, right? 615 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,360 That's right. That's right. 616 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,200 I think, I think you can learn a lot from that information and I 617 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,480 think that's really important and that's, that's a feature 618 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,200 that I want. And so I, you know, I want to, I 619 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,960 want to add that in. That's really cool. 620 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,360 And then in terms of like unit size, are you just going to keep 621 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,200 working with the same unit and refining the software aspect of 622 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,680 it now? Have you got designs on changing 623 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,200 the hardware or is it just all purely in the software and 624 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,400 functionality for the moment? For the moment, it's purely 625 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,440 software. However, I think absolutely I 626 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,320 would love to refine the hardware. 627 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:33,280 I would love to, you know, maybe have a version two of the of the 628 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560 enclosure. Yeah, as soon as, as soon as you 629 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,480 know, Trackman or someone wants to come along and sponsor me, 630 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,360 I'll we can refine as much as we want. 631 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440 Fantastic. That's really cool. 632 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,040 So cool. We'll jump on it. 633 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,000 Some quick questions, maybe not that quite, it depends how the 634 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,760 answers go, but just to get as towards more of your own golf. 635 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,680 So favorite golf course, where do you like playing the most? 636 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,040 Maybe that's in Seattle area, maybe it's by Coleman, 637 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,320 Minnesota. Who's your favorite place to go? 638 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,240 Yeah, tough, tough question. You know, one of my all time 639 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,720 favourites is the course I grew up carrying on. 640 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,000 It's called the Minnekotta Club. Right. 641 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,000 It's a Donald Ross course and. You go. 642 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,480 Just a. Just a perfect shape all the 643 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,440 time, just beautiful. But I would say nowadays it's 644 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,000 got to be Chambers Bay. You know, you can't beat it out 645 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,320 there. It's it's a legendary course. 646 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,840 And is it, did you say you've got a fence as a member there or 647 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,440 is it like a public course? It's a public course, but they 648 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,240 do offer memberships. Fantastic, so how much if you 649 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,800 were a casual visitor to Chambers Bay which has been on 650 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,640 U.S. Open Rd. you think you mentioned 651 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,640 the ladies majors as well? How much does it cost for 652 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,400 around? In the summertime, it's going to 653 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:56,880 be probably 250 dollars, $300. 250, yeah, I mean that's for the 654 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,240 I'd say for an Open Championship or major Championship venue in 655 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,960 the UK that's actually under the prices now that are being 656 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,360 charged for a lot of them. Yeah, like Saint Andrews, I 657 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,120 believe is in dollars probably 550 in the summer, OK. 658 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,200 Some other places are approaching 600. 659 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,000 So that's really good for, I mean, it's still expensive 660 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,920 obviously, but that's pretty good for a major championship 661 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,160 venue in the States. Yeah, yeah. 662 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,440 OK. That's good to know. 663 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,400 And then other than Augusta, what course would you still like 664 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,000 to play? Where do you want to get to? 665 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,880 Or maybe a top three? Top 3 Cypress Point is on there. 666 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,120 Yeah. Absolutely. 667 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,360 And that's, that's a tough question, man. 668 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,640 Augusta, of course I was. I did go to the Masters in 2014. 669 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,400 Nice. There you go. 670 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,520 I went to AI, went to a practice round, and I'll never forget 671 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,720 that. That was incredible. 672 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,240 I got the flight. Year son of the year that Rory 673 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,080 collapsed in the Masters. Was that 2014? 674 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,320 No, sorry, it wasn't PG. That was his last major, wasn't 675 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:06,560 it? That. 676 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,640 Yeah, rather than the Masters clubs? 677 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,640 Yeah. Yeah. 678 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,480 Well. Yeah, I got the flag here, right 679 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,080 in the back. From there we go. 680 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,040 From the from the course. I've got nothing. 681 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:28,080 Yes, Cypress Point, Augusta and I would love to play some 682 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,720 courses like some some deserty ones that like kind of Black 683 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,160 Desert in Utah. I would love to come to the UK. 684 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,440 That's something I've never played golf, you know, outside 685 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,920 of the United States. We'd love to have you. 686 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,560 I mean, honestly, Coleman, I've seen there's lots of groups 687 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,280 known in social media people can offer in to host folks, even if 688 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,560 it's not necessarily their membership course, but just to 689 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,920 play with people and countries and help them out in terms of 690 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,240 travel and maybe accommodation. But just advice, you know, like 691 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,280 folks in here that could be yourself sitting here. 692 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,120 I'm in the Seattle area and no chambers barely. 693 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,200 Well, if you want to play with me, I'll go down to you. 694 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080 You're paying a green fee, They're paying a green fee. 695 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,240 And then they could help you coming over to the UK. 696 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,320 It's. I'm seeing it more commonly now. 697 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,360 Sure. Yeah, sounds good. 698 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,760 We'd. Love to have you over. 699 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,320 So yeah, Coleman, it's been great having you on. 700 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,240 I really appreciate it. We're going to keep following 701 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,840 your journey. And just to wrap up, what's the 702 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160 handle for Instagram where people can find you? 703 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,600 Yeah. Thank you so much for us. 704 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,200 It's at Coleman Golfs. Fantastic. 705 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,520 Well, listen, keep up the journey. 706 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,000 I'm sure you get plenty of help, lots of people reaching out. 707 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,160 And thanks so much for coming on. 708 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,560 It's been great to hear from you, Koma. 709 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,560 Yeah, you bet. Thanks a lot, Ross. 710 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,480 I'd like to thank Coleman for joining me and for sharing his 711 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,280 Launch Monitor story. Do check the show notes for the 712 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,680 people who have helped Coleman along the way, and it's on 713 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680 social media handles. 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