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Hey guys. Welcome back to significant
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holidays. It's 2023. 3.
Now is our first episode of 2023.
We haven't seen you guys since last year, what's new?
That's crazy Mel and I haven't even courted.
You haven't seen each other in a bit.
Yeah, we had not on purpose, getting on purpose.
It's just so, you know. But yeah.
She's busy. I've been busy.
We were sick. Yeah, I'm still like I'm fine
now. But like my voice is not back to
normal. So I might be a little raspy.
But I was telling you now that I always felt like Lindsay Lohan.
Had kind of raspy boys, interesting voice and the gunk.
It's cool that you're gonna have a voice.
Maybe like that today. Yeah, I think so.
Might sound like I'm crying a little bit.
Big news. I quit my job guys.
Yep. So by the time you're listening
to, this will be my last week at my job.
We are becoming full time. Podcast kidding, not yet.
That much money like my parents house.
Yeah, that's if we were willing to sacrifice that we can do it,
they would buy my food and stuff.
But yeah, if anyone's a hiring manager, if anyone's a recruiter
and they're listening to this, I have experience with like
project management and Publishing.
Saying. And yes, yes, I'm open to ideas,
Mel does so much research for this podcast.
She does like, 99% of our social media.
She's only nine of it. She, she's amazing.
So, and you can hear her awesome personality in this episode, but
also gets a little raunchy. Not safe for work.
So I feel like some people probably listen to the first
couple of minutes and then, but here's the thing it's like this
is what I've said to you before like everybody has that side of
their person, not everybody but it's like everybody loves off
and they're like somebody else. So it's like yeah like I'm in my
corporate solve all the time. Yeah.
So that's so true Mal. I was thinking since it is our
first episode of the New Year it's kind of like a new Park at
us thinking. Maybe at the end of the episode,
we could just quickly talk about like our favorite episodes so
far. Yeah.
The grease favorite that we hosted me?
Yeah. Yeah, you know, stuff like that
but at the end at the end. So yeah we are cousins melon
Kel. I'm Co that smell.
And if this is your first episode welcome the people
upstairs are moving furniture around.
Wow yeah you might hear that weird.
In New York. So there's apartments and we're
trying a different room today though to record.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So should we get into it? Yeah, let's go.
So Today, we're talking about, we're talking about Lindsay
Lohan and Samantha Ronson. Who's that who's that?
Well, Lindsay Lohan and is an American actress and Samantha
Ronson is a musician and DJ and I have to tell you guys
something. Yeah.
Isn't this great? This is great because everybody,
I think some of you might not even believe this.
Yeah. But I Where are my life?
I swear on Mel's life, I swear on my cat's life, you can ask
Charlie my boyfriend. Look him up.
He was there. I swear this happened.
So I have been doing research on Lindsay and Samantha for like,
the past month or whatever. And this was the next episode of
the, we were going to record for that podcast.
And I recently went to Upstate New York with my boyfriend
Charlie and we went to this random Farmstand like outside of
Of Hudson New York. We it was literally just like on
and when we pulled over just to take a picture of the sign
because like really old fashioned and cute, but then we
were like, oh, should we go inside?
I don't know. I don't really need anything but
whatever. Yeah, we could go in.
So, he went his Farm Stand. We were the only people there.
And then in walks, I swear to God, Samantha Ronson.
That is so crazy. What are these hugs?
Like, you know, of all the places In the world.
I know the exact time that you were there.
Yeah, she walks it. So you just saw her walk in.
Yeah, I just saw her walk in. Did your jaw like I thought I
was gonna die. Like, I felt so scared.
Actually. I was like really, really,
really, really good. I was like hallucinate.
Yeah. I think scared is the most.
I can't describe how I felt because I was literally
literally thinking about them that day.
Like, in the car, doesn't go out the window layer.
Like what am I going to say on the episode?
I think we were going to record it the next day.
Maybe I can try. Yeah.
We were yeah. But then maybe you were saying
you were, I was like yeah I don't know.
So we were literally going to record it the next day and it
was just freaky to me like we're researching this couple and then
I see her like what it was and wasn't even wasn't even like in
New York City or La it like you know a club like where you might
expect to see someone like that. It was just this little Small
Farm Stand. You know, it's so weird.
It was her. She walked in.
She had the short. She has short bleach, blond
hair, she's wearing skinny jeans and like sneakers.
And I'm not, and so careful in to think about saying something
to her. Charlie said, I should say
something to her. Yeah.
So I didn't say anything and I'm kind of a shame, it didn't.
But I thought I was scared and really freaked out by like the
coincidence and just II felt like, I don't know, who know my
God. I couldn't believe this was
happening and I'm sure people don't, I'm sure people don't
walk up to her that often. Yeah, it's not like that famous.
Yeah, so yeah, I was just kind of observing and I was just
pretending to look at some cheese and then I kept looking
at her and she like made eye contact.
Yeah. And she this is what happened.
This is what I observed. She got some cider donuts.
She went up to the cashier. And said, like, gotta get him or
something and then he says something back and then she was
like, where do you guys get? These, were they baked and then
he said, and then that's basically it.
I like her curiosity. Yeah, I know she seemed really
friendly. I feel so geeky, I'm not even.
You just walked up to her. You're like, hey, this is really
weird, but I'm currently researching you I've been
researching you and I have a few questions if you wanted to.
Yeah, it's survival. How did you and Lindsay meet?
Because I couldn't figure that out.
No, I oh my gosh Samantha. If you're listening, I'm sorry.
This is creepy. No, she wanted to be there, it's
creepy that he's talking, you know, but II do feel creepy.
That was like oh my God, like observing her and is currently
researching her do is we read out the like there's been so
many weird coincidences with this podcast.
It's insane is why I do. Think there's a higher power.
Power. I know I do because there's
like, literally let's walk through it like Well, 111, this
doesn't sound that big but like, I was just listening to some of
our old episodes today, just to, like, get back in the swing of
things. And I remember like, with the
Lynn is more. Is that Dave, Coulier one like
that was pretty low stakes episode, but there was news
about that. Like, right?
When we recorded it, like, two days before, it was like really
weird. And then, like 20 years, there
was an overlap with her more Alanis Morissette.
Oh yeah, Carradine. Gotten Elena's tattoo.
Yeah. Then with like Charles and
Camilla. When we were like when we were
recording it right before episode came out, Charles became
king. Yeah.
I mean died who else? And you were not going to record
the oh yes in Sudeikis one. And then like two weeks later
the whole Nanny stuff came out that she came out.
Yeah, I kind of canceled that idea and it's just crazy.
So weird, this is like and to me, that's like a sign.
From Lake God, if you believe in that or like the universe, it,
like, this is episode that you were supposed to come here, you
know? Yeah.
It's just crazy.
I don't know what like if if you're thinking a lot about
someone is weird that they the show up in your life, especially
someone that you've never even met you mr.
President. That's manifesting.
Well, I don't know you're gonna see Lizzy.
I need Crown. He's scary huh?
That would be freaky to see Lindsay Lohan in In public.
Um, yeah, I can't believe it when I go home, I was stayed up
way, too, late, reading, all these articles about like
coincidences. And there have been, I feel like
I've had a couple other coincidences in my life but
there's been some crazy coincidences throughout human
history and it's like, wow I do feel like everything is
connected and we welcome to that.
That's really interesting. Yeah, it is.
I totally believe in signs me to there's been so many crazy
things like twins separated at Birth, that they Live the same
life basically. Yeah.
Like you know there's just all these crazy coincidences that
scare me but amazing too. And I don't know, this is just,
um, I was so freaked out. I honestly felt like there was
like my life before this happened after.
Yeah. Yeah.
Honestly. I feel like that was like, I
don't know. Like a revelation like that.
Like, oh, okay, gotta this is. Yeah, this is crazy.
So thank you so much. She seems.
Okay, I'm gonna get into the Kabul, the relationship and
Samantha. Hope you're not listening.
I feel bad that know why we're not going to say anything bad
about, you know, getting into her personal life.
And we so weird to listen to a podcast about myself in a
relationship. Oh my God, probably so many
things would be like, that's not true.
Yeah, but I just I was a I know that Lindsay Lohan, pretty much
everyone knows who she is. Samantha Ronson.
I didn't really know much about her before this, but I love her.
I love that. It's so cool.
I think. And just seeing her in real
life. She's, I mean, yeah, it was like
10 second not ten seconds. It was like a minute, but she
seemed really cool and nice. So she's a DJ right?
Yeah. She's a DJ.
Yeah. So yeah.
Do you remember when 10 hand and Samantha Ronson?
And I think it was like, Not a big deal which is like kind of
surprising for that time period. Like I feel like people just
were really accepting as they should be but like yeah people
were in like, oh, wow. Like Lindsay's guy like no one
really cared, you know. I think not.
Everybody was I accepting base. No really.
But yeah. When the way I remember it is
because we were like in Middle School.
Yeah, I remember being like a little confused because I don't
know, I just think back then I didn't fully understand people
being bisexual or whatever and I was like, wait what?
It. But my perception of it is
because that was like the height of Lindsay's like partying era
to. So like my protection of it
though was like that. They were bad influences for
each other. Yeah, we'll get into that, more
good. That isn't interesting.
I've been telling some people that this is the episode I'm
doing next and some people like our age.
Don't remember that they ever dated.
Oh really, what? My mom remembers though.
So yeah. My mom does yeah I feel like the
Lindsay's life was so chaotic that back then was so chaotic,
her dating life was like the least of anyone's like interests
literally. That's what Samantha said 10.
She said that like something like the everything in her life
was so crazy that possibly being gay or whatever was like the
least crazy the yeah yeah. Lindsay Lohan.
Oh my gosh. She so she has been kind of out
of the spotlight for like the past decade.
I would say she's like popped in and out.
Yeah. But she's only holiday movie.
Actually just came out with this new Christmas movie.
I washed it. Did you watch it not yet?
I wasn't gonna watch him and Charlie was I heard this music
playing in the other room and it was Christmas.
Music is like what the heck is that?
And he was watching it by myself.
Like what the hell? So I sat down and watched it,
um, It's cute. It's not the best mood though.
You've never are but it's like it's cool to see her again.
I don't know. I really liked her when I was
young. We I think we both did.
We loved her are used to see every single Lindsay Lohan movie
Beloved Mean Girls Parent Trap Freaky Friday.
Herbie Fully loaded with your boyfriend.
Said that that was the most iconic Lindsay Lohan movie.
Yeah. You were you were like no.
Okay, this is I think it's a fact is not not.
Yeah. I think that's factually.
Inaccurate. Confessions of a drama queen?
Yeah, I even thought like just my luck.
Oh yeah. I've seen that one.
Got a clue one more there. Vic is one more for you.
Do you say Freaky Friday already?
Yeah. I didn't see George or rules.
You neither seen that? She was in one.
I don't think I ever thought called, okay.
Now, I feel like it's cousin deck.
Yeah. She's an addict and she was in
one. I forget the title, but she like
pretends to be pregnant. Oh yes, a labor pains.
I think it's called, yeah. Wait, till we say life-size.
No, that's a good one. Yeah, I can't find that movie
anywhere just stream. Hmm, yeah, that's interesting.
I think that didn't even come up in my research at all, but I
guess I was feeling like when she's older.
Yeah. So, So I guess it's time to get
into the romance and the drama and I hope you're not listening.
Yeah. This this couple I think is the
craziest couple I have covered so far.
Really? Yeah, I think we have a lot to
learn. We are talking broken windows
talking jail time. Oh no, it's crazy.
Yeah. What are your three words?
My three words, I came up with if I had to describe Lindsay and
Samantha and three words would be dramatic sweet, huh.
And turbulent. Okay.
Mmm. Sounds right.
Yes. Yes.
It's very crazy.
So what I found interesting is a lot of Publications or when you
just Google like how long did they date?
I feel like everywhere says one year but to me it seems like
they were together kind of off and on for a couple years from
like Thousand Seven to 2011. Yeah.
The other lot longer than people, I feel like Google
simplifies things. Yeah, I know.
Yeah but even like when I read articles they'll say like oh
they're together for a year but I think they're actually
together much longer. Yeah, Samantha let us know if
that's true. Yeah, yeah, so after I saw her
in the forest and we went back in the car.
Okay. This was crazy cousin Samantha
when her car and the car was like next.
Oh my God. Don't look, but I swear to God,
that is Samantha Ronson in that car, that's so weird.
And then he's like, you should go say something.
I was like, No One's Gonna Go tap on the window, whatever.
And for he did say, I shouldn't mention that I was recording and
that's what we say. I'm a big baby.
I know I wasn't DJ. Yeah, that wouldn't really be.
I don't know. I didn't say, yeah.
I feel like I was freaking out. She's a famous person.
But yeah, it's not someone that people would say.
Like, I'm a big fan of. Yeah.
You know, I was losing my mind. I couldn't say anything.
Remember, the one time we were recognized?
Yeah, we were recognized. Yeah, that was the coolest
thing. I've, yeah, that was the last
night also proof that God exists.
Unless yeah, that was my God exists Liz, right Liz?
Yeah. In Williamsburg.
Yeah, that was so nice. What are the odds?
I know you don't have that big of an audience so that was just
crazy. If you guys ever by chance.
Recognize us. Definitely say some.
Yeah, don't be like, oh, they get this all the time.
We don't have nothing going on. Yeah, definitely say something.
Don't don't be so sad if someone did recognize.
What? I wonder if something happened.
I don't know. Probably not.
Yeah, we do get recognized it for old podcast, another bite of
Twilight. We did get recognized at the
Twilight festive exact that was kind of like a dick smell the
first compliment. No one really recognize does
that was kind of. That was actually more shocking,
I needed that but that's okay. So Lindsay, Lohan and Samantha
Ronson Lindsay's. It interesting person to me, I
found her kind of difficult to Grass.
Yeah, she seems like a bubbly flirty and funny person, but I
also think that just after watching all these interviews
with her and things that seems like famous made her pretty
private. And she often like shuts down
and certain questions or won't answer things not in a mean way.
It seems like she's like develop boundaries and reason.
Yeah, she needs that. Yeah.
But anyway, Lindsay Lohan, she was born, July 2nd 1983.
Six in the Bronx and grew up on Long Island.
And her father, Michael Lohan. Apparently was also a former
child actor, but I couldn't even find.
I didn't know that. Yeah, but I couldn't find
anything about what he was in. So question mark.
But he had many different careers.
He owned a pasta restaurant. He worked as a Trader on Wall
Street. I guess her mom, Dina Lohan,
anyone remember? Yeah.
I guess you used to be a Rockette.
And she also worked on Wall Street and later she became
Lindsay's manager. Lindsay has three younger
siblings, Michael Ally in Dakota AKA Cody and Dakota is about
like ten years younger than Lindsay and she seems really
close to Ali, her sister. And I randomly looked up Dakota,
I don't know why, and he posts, lots of pictures with Lindsay
and he seems really sweet. He's always saying things like
Lindsey's. Like my best friend for life.
I never smile more than I am when I'm with you.
Yeah, half-sibling Orville's impulsive.
Well, yeah. So it's cute.
This is also really random and not like a fact, which is an
observation. I just feel like her siblings.
I'll have like, dark eyes, and dark eyebrows, except for her.
Yeah. Her brother, Michael was in The
Parent Trap. Yeah, the boy.
That's like, I thought this was a girl.
Yeah, yeah. They just, I just think they
look like a beautiful family, but I got their problems.
Yes, that's what I was about to say, but they have a lot of
issues at least they Did at the time.
Um her parents divorced in 2007 which is right around the time
when her relationship with Samantha started and her father,
Michael Lohan was imprisoned for insider trading and he served
another year for violating probation, which is something
that spoiler Lindsay ends up serving time for herself like
father like daughter. Yeah.
And he was also arrested for attempted assault on her
brother. Michael jr.
That's bad. And it's alleged that Her father
is told stories about her to tabloids so much.
It's just tragic. Yeah, she has a music video,
like confession. Yeah.
What's it called? I can't.
It's something about like, Father David?
Yeah, yeah, it's for the love of a daughter's.
I don't know. So sad, there's a lot of news
stories about the dad like he had a lot of issues.
Yeah, getting arrested. And yeah, but I can't get into
the whole thing because you could do like a whole Episode
about the parents, but it's really, really sad.
I feel like she didn't have a good support system.
Yeah, I've heard things about like her mom also like being her
manager, but kind of, you know, using Lindsay.
I mean, she was a child actor. Yeah.
And she would have really bad fights with her mom, too.
And one time they even fought so badly that 911 was called on
them. So I'm really weary of like, any
parents who put their kids into show business because I feel
like you're just like setting them up to be.
Abused. Yeah, it makes me sad because I
feel like Lindsey didn't really stand a chance to, you know,
have a normal. Yeah, since and, you know, have
a healthy relationship to things like alcohol because her parents
were just so crazy and using her and she probably had no one to
really trust. It's it's sad but it's really
sad. So yeah, as a kid, she started
in print and tv ads, when she was 12 years old, she played
both leads in the pan. Ant trap.
I haven't watched that in forever.
I think I watched it last year. So good, and whenever you want
him. Yeah, when she really proved to
be a great actress at a young age, in 2003 at age 17, she was
a star Freaky Friday. And that's around the time for
did Aaron Carter. Oh yes.
Rest in peace. But I thought it was funny.
I read that. She dated Aaron Carter after he
did Hilary Duff it. Supposedly got bored of her.
Yeah, there was a whole food with Lindsay and Hilary.
She made fun of Hillary on SNL. I remember watching it like live
at the time? Yeah she seemed to have some
foods with people. Yeah. 2004 she was in Mean Girls
her. I would say my most iconic role
not heard, I think so dad. But that's also when she
released her album, speak with the song, Rumors whole lot of
rumors can see where it's like I'm tired of being restarted,
I'm sick of being followed. Tired of people lying saying
what they want about me. Why don't you back up off me?
I can't be. Let me live.
Just wanna do it my way, take this for just what it is.
I remember I just love just for so like I was in fourth grade.
I think in the gym at my Elementary School were walking
into this, like social. Yeah, I don't even know what it
was called because the parents were there too, but feeling so
cool. I literally love that album, eat
food like she should. Continued on with her music
career. I am actually ashamed to say
because it's so different from my music taste today in my
Elementary School yearbook they I put that my favorite musician,
wasn't I love that. I love that.
I thought she was going to be big like, in the music scene.
I know. Yeah, I don't know what
happened. She also sorry is love Baxter
but she also dated Builder Valderrama when she was 17 and
he was 20. A for, and what's weird is she
brought that up many times interview.
She was, she's like, I'm 17, he's 24.
What can go on there? Nothing really?
Like she said that like, okay, I hope he comes.
That's kind of his thing. I know many times.
I also lost money on Ellen to said, because Ellen says
something like you have a boyfriend, right?
And she's like, yeah, I'm getting Wilder Valderrama from
That 70s Show. I don't know why it was funny to
you. That in case people don't know
who he is. Yeah.
So yeah that was interesting to me.
But then she was in for Herbie Fully Loaded in 2005, then
Prairie Home Companion. I also haven't seen that many of
them, but then around 2006, just my luck.
This is when her off camera. Exploits started to overshadow
her acting two had all these feuds between her and like Paris
Hilton and she's starting to become known as a A partier and
I think people kind of stopped seeing her as you know just a
talented actor. Yeah and I also I thought it was
really interesting doing this research.
I discovered that she's really into Marilyn Monroe.
She kind of idolizes her and I'm like glad that we did the
Maryland episodes if it gave me more of a perspective on this,
she had a fashion line I guess around this time and named her
leggings in the line 6. 6126 after Marilyn Monroe's birthday.
So like 26 being 1926 and she has a to Marilyn Monroe's
tattoos on her arm and she even posed nude for a magazine
dressed to resemble Marilyn Monroe.
And I saw these pictures of her like, her birthday party with
Samantha Ronson and like her cake had Maryland on it.
Like, she loves Marilyn and I find it interesting because I
see like a lot of similarities between her and Marilyn Monroe.
And yeah. And started randomly Megan Fox,
who talked about this to Esquire and I just I liked what she
said. I agreed with it.
Megan Fox. I don't know why she's talking
about Lindsay but she said are they weren't Confessions of a
Teenage Drama? Oh really?
Yeah, I didn't remember that Megan Fox is in that.
She said, I started reading about Marilyn and realize that
her life was incredibly difficult.
She wasn't powerful at the time. She was sort of like Lindsay.
She was an actress who wasn't reliable, who almost wasn't sure
about. She'd had all the potential in
the world and it was squandered. I'm not interested in following
those footsteps and I guess later Megan apologize.
Yeah it seems like it does. I know but the problem I know
and insisted she hadn't meant to degrade it criticized Lindsay
but I do agree with her like that.
It reminds me of. I don't know that once he did
have so much potential but then she started to like just like
Marilyn like show up late to things and yeah wasn't it
getting serious roles like she wanted to to and yeah, yeah.
Like Lindsay's is literally a phenomenal actress looks so
good. I don't know.
Now if she's that good but like she could have won an Oscar
someday. I know maybe she still will
baby. I used to think that I I don't
know why Hollywood is is way but I feel like they kind of act
like you can only have like one of a certain type at a certain
time, you know what I mean? Yeah I remember thinking that
Emma Stone kind of like replaced Lindsay.
Lohan. Oh my God, that's so true.
That's so true. She was in like The House Bunny
and then like easy a I feel like easy.
I could have been like a Lindsay movie.
Yeah. And then Emma became more like
of a serious actress which I think was.
He always wanted to do? I don't know.
That's so true. Hmm.
Yeah. Am I even felt like with the
Maryland thing? This sounds bad, but I don't
mean it in a bad way that I kind of see Samantha as kind of like
a Joe DiMaggio in a way, not in the hitting way.
Yeah. But in just, the Samantha is
more quiet and like reserves. And I don't know how
uncomfortable the tension also older than Lindsay and, like,
always there for her if she's older.
She looks younger. Yeah, she's older.
Um, And then also I just get the sense that she's like, always
there for Lindsay. So yeah.
So who is Samantha Ronson? Yeah, is this chick, she is a DJ
and she was born in London to the Ronson family, which was
formerly one of Britain's, wealthiest families and founders
of hair on International a British property development
company. That's why she can be a DJ but
the family definitely still wealthy but the family Lose 1
billion dollars of their wealth in the property.
Crash of the 90s, how a lot of money, they lost a billion
dollars but we're okay. Yeah, I guess I don't mean, I
don't know how, okay? But yeah, they were kiddos
great. Her parents are Lawrence Ronson,
who was a music, manager, and publisher and then real estate
developer. Has he done?
No, I think he's alive, but I don't know if he still do that.
Yeah, her mother and Dexter Jones, Jones is a writer
designer and socialite. Samantha has an older brother.
Mark Ronson and Twin Sister. Charlotte Ronson and their
family is Ashkenazi Jewish with ancestors from Austria, Russia
and Lithuania which I thought was interesting and they were
raised conservative Jewish and it seems like Samantha still
practices Judaism today. So happy Hanukkah Samantha?
Yeah, we're recording this over Hannah.
Yeah. But her parents divorced when
she was young and her mom and remarried, the guitarist Mick
Jones from the band Foreigner and her family moved to New York
City when she was six years old. So her unless he grew up
actually like, not far from each other Mick.
Jones, her dad herb. Mom's new husband already had
two kids. So now she had two steps of
siblings then. Anna Mick had two more kids.
So now she's two new half-siblings, then I heard my
dad, remarried and had three More kids.
I was you thought the people will not happen.
Now there's ten kids, that's a lot.
I know while growing up in New York, Mark Ronson became
childhood friends with Sean Lennon.
Wow who we mentioned on this show before and I think do you
know the name of Mark Ronson? Yes I was going to say that's
very familiar is really successful musician.
Yeah he is. That's her brother.
Yeah. That's her brother.
Her older brother asked. Yeah, he's won seven Grammys
including producer of the year for Amy Winehouse's album back
to black his song Uptown funk. You probably know.
Yeah. It's actually his song not Bruno
Mars. It's like Uptown Funk featuring
Bruno. That's a really like that's a
classic. I know.
Um yeah he did. Amy Winehouse is whole album
with her like rehab and that song like Valerie.
That's his song, actually what? Yeah, and he also won an Academy
Award and golden gloves for writing the songs for stars born
like shallow. Are you serious?
Yes. And he's done like so many
people's records. Like he did Lily Allen.
I didn't know that was her brother, brother.
That's crazy. He's done everybody.
You could have caught up to her and said, oh my big fan of your
brother. That be offensive.
I don't know. I could have said something, but
I was just too shy. Hmm, I don't blame him.
I'm ashamed of myself. No, what do you say?
Like, I don't know. Yeah, but he's insanely
successful, so that's interesting.
And in her twin sister Charlotte is like a fashion designer to
Townsend family. Mmm.
So, Samantha said that she was a loner as a kid and She had most
of her friends from her twin sister Charlotte and she does
seem like a quirky quiet type of person like just watching
interviews with her and stuff. She seems to have like a really
sarcastic dry sense of humor. And she collects toys and
vintage t-shirts and yeah, she seems really quirky and she
writes like lyrics and poems and stuff and yeah, so I believe I
can believe that that she was like a loner as a kid.
Sometimes I feel like when people say stuff like that I'm
like, is that true? Yeah.
Oh my God yelling Kendall Jenner says stuff like that.
Like I was bitch. Shut up.
Yeah, you probably popular. Yeah, so she went on to play
guitar and DJ like following her brother's footsteps.
Totally went to the Chapin school on the Upper East Side,
which is very prestigious. Kind of like Gwyneth Paltrow
ask, but she definitely grew up to have like a different vibe
from Mmm. Gwyneth she study.
Creative writing and philosophy at NYU.
She became a full-time DJ for a living and his DJ'd actually
really high profile events. Like the New Year's Eve
celebration in Times Square. Super Bowl, Sundance and Cannes
Film Festival, an amazing VMAs. So yeah, she also sings and
plays guitar to and she's been in two bands.
One Samantha Ronson in The Undertaker's & Ocean Park,
standoff, and you might know this song buy her, that was on
the Mean, Girls soundtrack built this yards.
We were to call and built this. Do it this way to play it.
Wait, I used to listen to this. Did you?
Hold this song, they have their email, but when this came out, I
don't think they had met but I'm not sure.
They could have I was trying to see if Samantha went to the Mean
Girls Premier anything, but I didn't see any pictures are
many. Yeah, because you don't know
when they met, right. I actually don't know how they
met. Yeah.
But isn't that crazy? She's on the Mean Girl soon.
Yeah. That yeah, again, God God.
And That is like the main song in that movie that is please
like throughout the whole movie. Yeah.
We cool. They'll always be connected that
way, you know. But yeah.
So that's Samantha. That's kind of all the
background information I have about Samantha that that I'll
share today. Obviously there's more more they
could be said but I just want to say before I get into the
relationship there was some stuff going on with Lindsay
around that time that I feel like it's good to keep in mind
that when he'd been to a drug rehab program, in 2007.
And was arrested for drunk driving charges.
And then she went to rehab a second time and was fitted with
an alcohol monitoring monitoring bracelet.
And then two weeks, after checking out of that rehab, she
was arrested again for trying to run someone over apparently
while she was drunk. Oh my god, dude.
He entered rehab a third time. She pleaded guilty for
misdemeanor cocaine use and driving Under the Influence.
She served one day in jail, 10 days of community service.
And three years of Probation and she had to pay a fine and turn
alcohol, education program that lasts DUI, but I just mentioned
in cocaine. Possession is the first time
Samantha Ronson is mentioned in the Press with her.
Oh, really? She was with her?
Yes. Yeah.
So this is the first mention I found out Samantha Ronson.
It was in a Metro UK article from March 29th, 2007, and it
says that Lynn He was arrested on Saturday for possession of
cocaine after crashing her, Mercedes convertible, but was
back on the tiles, the next evening at the 944 magazine
party at Teddy's Nightclub at The Roosevelt Hotel sources told
In Touch magazine Lohan was defiant about her arrest and can
to continue to party. She was later.
Photographed on her knees seeming.
Like throwing up in a bush before passing out in a car
driven by her. DJ friend Samantha Ronson.
Oh, DJ friend. How old is she had to?
A point. So when I first started dating
which was actually in 2008 Samantha was 30 and Lindsay was
21. Oh wow.
Yeah, she was 30, she's great. I know my God she's like deep in
her 40s. Yeah she does.
She does. Look great really.
Looks like she's like 25. I know crazy.
Yeah. So this actually is blew my mind
because you know, that picture of Lindsay that is so famous.
It's like her passed out in a car leaning back.
Yeah, with the hoodie. Yeah, Samantha's in the car and
that P is. Yeah, I don't know.
Zoomed out picture of that. Like the actual full picture
Samantha is there she has like her arm behind the car seat.
Headrests and yeah Smith was driving Lindsay like the fact
that like people see someone like struggling like that and
then they take a picture. That's so like it's crazy how
that's accepted. so yeah, I guess that they were already
friends at this point so that I don't know when they started
hanging out, you know I couldn't figure it out but They were
still at least like publicly just known as friends, but I
don't know if they actually were romantic at this point, maybe
they were, I don't know. But yeah.
Um, that's summer 2007, apparently, the two were
commenting flirty things on each other's, Myspace accounts.
And then Lindsay had some more issues makes me sad.
She In November 15th, 2007 served just 84 minutes at a Los
Angeles, County jail, right? I'm not totally sure why, but
the surf, I mean, I'm guessing like drinking and driving.
Yeah, that one that keeps happening but the sheriff
explained that the jail was overcrowded, which is why she
was only there for 84 minutes. Also, probably, because she's a
celebrity. Yeah, Jim.
This is not related, but I don't even know actually cut this out,
but I'll just tell you at least milk.
Um, that January 2008. That's when he's Ledger died.
Oh yeah. And her own mother said that
Lindsay was with him when he died.
So really? Yeah, that's weird.
I never heard that before. He was dating Mary-Kate Olsen.
Wow, we're Ashley. I think Mary-Kate Olsen, I don't
know what was going on there, but I don't know.
I, I just think Lindsay's life was crazy.
Yeah, yeah, you know honestly like we were To talk about this
a couple weeks ago, like to think back on like the time.
Like when I partied the most in my life.
Yeah. Be like my freshman year of
college. Like, I can see how someone
could easily get addicted to that.
Like if you have like, obviously, like I could have
never gotten addicted to that because my parents, like would
have killed me. But like her parents like that.
Yeah, so true. They probably like, didn't
really care. Like, I don't know, like, not
that you cannot parents that are strict and like still like, get,
like really caught up in that kind of stuff, but it's probably
As long as she was making money. And yeah, and our should
everyone around her say yes. Like, she had nobody to like,
say no to her. Yeah, it's like about that with
you because I I feel like when I do these episodes I always try
to like really put myself in it and like empathize.
And I was having trouble relating to Lindsay because I've
just this is so not my life but I when I did think of it like
okay imagine you're crazy this time in your life.
If any of you have ever I don't know.
Engaged in any partying, maybe you haven't.
Maybe it was just Time you pulled all-nighters or
something? I don't know.
But yeah. Definitely time in my life there
was like one week in particular, my friends and I like got a
beach house and we drank every single day.
Yeah, and night and it was crazy.
And like we were getting in fights and all this drama
happening, it was so stupid and it was super messy, but I was
just imagining like okay what if my life just kept going like
that? Yeah.
I was like, I think like oh why did we stop?
You know, because we all felt like we We had to shaping up for
college. I want it.
You know, have a future. Yeah.
Like, our life depended on us, like just getting our shit
together, but Lindsey already had like a ton of money.
Probably, she already had been a star in movies.
You didn't have that pressure to like get her shit together.
You know. That's so true and everyone
around her like you said, is doing this to, and when you, I
feel like with actors, like she works on a movie for like, a
couple months and then she just has a couple months of like,
yeah, thing, no structure. And yeah, No structure and she's
so popular. Everybody wants hangout Lynn?
Yeah, so everybody is like inviting her to parties.
Yeah, I mean if you go to parties every day I think it is
it can be really hard to go to party sober so I can see just oh
drinking. I I really struggled to go.
Yeah, party. So breathing now.
Yeah, it's hard. So I don't know when I thought
about it that way. It was like, I guess I can see
how. Yeah.
And it's an Escape like especially it's a, it's I mean,
it's rooted in alcoholism obviously, like If you like need
that as an escape from reality like yeah, it's more acceptable.
Obviously to be drunk at a party and really drink by yourself.
So yeah, so true. When I've had like a really good
party like a really good party. I think the next day I want to
do that every minute of my life. Yeah.
Like I wish I could just be partying 24/7.
He probably went to pretty awesome parties.
Go did you awesome parties in her?
Awesome Shooters. And Look up here - yeah
listening or any like party people.
Like what's a job that you like just go to be a person at a
party. Wait really no?
Yes, I'm girls get paid just to go to parties, right?
Maybe I would do that job. Yeah, I mean are people whose
jobs is to be like kind of a what do you call that?
There's guys that basically just bring girls to clubs and like
serve drinks. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
What they call that promoters? Yeah.
Promotion. Yeah.
It's a lifestyle and Lindsay was
in it at this point. Okay, we have another mention of
Samantha Ronson the friend. Okay.
This is April 14th, 2008. People magazine.
The headline is Lindsay, Lohan's BFF weekend with Samantha
Ronson. This reminds me so much of
Kristen Stewart. Yeah gal pal, yeah.
When she first started dating women?
The Publications like didn't know what was going on.
Yeah. Case do and her gal, pal.
Holding hands. Yeah.
Um, okay, so the article says, Girls Just Want to Have Fun and
Lindsay. Lohan is no exception, the 21
year old actress who is sued last week by former bodyguard,
spent the weekend, hitting the hottest clubs in l.a., with her
good pal, DJ Samantha Ronson. The duo got a jump start on the
weekend Thursday night, when they hit the upstairs, VIP area
of Goa Lohan, who has said, she's back on track after
stints. In rehab, bop to the music is
Ronson's money. In the DJ booth.
Lohan was obviously having a good time dancing.
Very sexy says an onlooker. She was quite the center of
attention. The next night it was all about
foxtail, Lohan, sat at a table near the dance floor, nursing a
bottle of Voss. Well, Ronson worked the room
saying, Hello to friends later, they snuck a few cigarettes at
their indoor table. And finally, to round out the
weekend, they hit Teddy's at The Roosevelt Hotel.
Hollywood. Roosevelt Hotel on Saturday.
Ronson headed back to the DJ booth while Lohan.
Black tank dress in black boots, chatted, with friends at a
nearby table, the actors kept things low-key, but perked up
noticeably, when Ronson spun Madonna and Justin Timberlake's
new single four minutes. Mmm, and later, during Mariah,
Carey's touch my body Ronson, threw her arms around Lohan and
The to move to the music. Sweet.
I'm wondering if they met me because Samantha DJ'd at all
these clubs. Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, maybe I don't know. No, that's a lot of us.
Like three days in a row of party.
Yeah. Jeez.
We can go to New York? Yeah, I wonder if this is all
outdated because it's 2008 but I'm like who seems like everyone
goes to Teddy's. Yeah, they still do but okay.
This is May 23rd 2008. This is when it first comes out
that there's like more than friends during and the headline
that I saw for this was I think it's from Daily Mail, it's
Lindsay, Lohan's lesbian, kiss with Mark Ronson, sister in.
Can I feel like today that went on how would not be the way that
you free? Yeah, so it's said that Lindsay
and Samantha were seen kissing crazy on P, Diddy's party yacht.
Can with pictures and they did look in the pictures.
I do look really happy and smiley holding hands and the
article called Samantha her girlfriend in quotations and DJ
friend. Yeah.
So it seemed like they were still like skeptical yeah.
Rest like what's going on here and that you see a lot of that
like the weird terms, I almost really because she's partying so
much people are being oh well she's making out with a woman
like she's That's what girls do when they're drunk.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's true.
I think I saw articles like that, May 29th.
So, a couple days later, Samantha and Lindsey were seen
in New York together and they were getting lunch with Lindsay
sister alley and they looked really giggly and happy and
sources were saying that they've been together for about a year
at this point. So that's interesting.
Good chunk of time. Yeah, June 13th, 2008 Lindsay
and Samantha were with Billy. Lee Allen and apparently all got
dinner together in LA. And I remember back then because
I was a huge fan of Billy Island.
I also remember Lily happened, like a reputation for being a
partier. Mmm.
Yeah, quite a trio There When I See You Smile.
Yeah. When I see you smile.
No. Want to see you cry.
Oh yeah. Makes me smile.
She were, she gone? I feel like I haven't heard
anything from her. Yeah.
I know she because I was a huge fan and like I listen to all I
have listened to all her albums but her recent ones.
I don't know. They just had, it's hard for a
bitch. Yeah.
Those Sheezus album that was like the last one that I was
young, too. Yeah, I don't know.
She actually is no. I think she's married to what's
his name. Well, he plays Hopper on
Stranger Things. Yeah.
He's like pretty famous these days. but, Yeah.
It's really hot but anyway back to 2008, by the way, I love 2000
right here. So my, oh my God, I mean we got
Lily Allen on Twilight. Why I like yeah.
That's just great time MGMT. My fav band that's when they
came out. Is it great time to be alive?
Yeah. Okay, so July 18th. 2008,
Lindsay and Samantha were out seen out hand in hand and
they're both wearing fedoras. New York, such so 2008, and
Lindsay's. Mother actually said she
approved the relationship. She said in an article, if she's
happy. I'm well, it doesn't sound that
approving, but she's like, if she's happy, I'm happy, that's
all I'll say. Samantha's great, I've known her
and her family for ten years. Samantha is an angel, oh, so
they might go even further back, maybe.
And I gotta say, I was shipping them like all these pictures.
They look so cute. I don't know, once he looks so
happy and it's keeps he's mad because it's like, Samantha
often seems a little serious. So, whenever you see a picture
of her smiling with them D, it's just so cute.
But New York Magazine, wrote an article called the diminishing
returns of faux lesbianism. Claiming that Lindsey was faking
it. Really Lee, I'm where they
decide I'm not their Blaze, right.
There was like, actually she later did say that there were a
bunch of Articles saying like that she was doing it for
attention or whatever have you ever thought someone was faking
being gay for attention? No.
But I know what? No, I'm trying to start a thing
myself. Like I feel like there's like
maybe once I did think that but I can't think of a particular
incident. Yeah.
No, I don't think I've I think some people do like, some people
do. Like I'm not going to.
It's not my place to say anyone yanking it, but some people
definitely like, especially when I was in college exaggerate it.
I've yeah. Yeah, I think I've known some
people. I don't think they were faking
it but they just like tried it. No, yeah.
That's not what I'm Taco. What are you talking about
missing people? Who would like you guess what,
you call an out as queer bait because they want to like they
want to be like yeah. Okay.
Yeah, sidered it but like their know it's not my place.
Yay. I know what you mean?
Like someone that had maybe like one's the same sex and counter
and then they just like, keep bringing it up.
I've kind of actually, I kind of did that.
College because I already well I just hated.
Hmm. I feel like I would just like
make jokes all the time about like oh like I'll just become a
lesbian. I like oh yeah, yeah, but you
didn't mean it but I didn't mean it.
I'm like not pretty straight but I don't think anyone would be in
a relationship with somebody. No exact faking it.
Exactly. This is kind of what I know I
can trust. A good question to ask is like a
lot of Articles were saying she was faking and it's like, wait,
does anyone actually do that? Yeah, I don't like anyone fakes
being well, people fake being in a relationship.
I don't think someone would make it that far.
Yeah, I really like in the podcast when we ask you is like
philosophical ethical question. Yeah, I mean we gotta Wonder
they're saying you're like yeah, do people do it may be but I
don't, I don't, I actually, I don't know what mean we don't
know what went You thought at the time, but I don't think it
was fake at all. Definitely not because it gets
like it just gets so crazy. July 28th. 2008 Lindsay was
apparently hit by a motor bike during a night out with Samantha
in New York and was taken to the hospital because of like
pedestrian. I think so.
Actually, you know what? I don't know.
I'm not sure how I don't think it was serious, but I think it's
again, like, oh, crazy night. Yeah, but Hit by a motorbike and
that same month Samantha posted a pic of the two of them kissing
on her. Myspace page, August 2008.
It was reported that Samantha was writing a book, but I don't
think that's ever came to fruition.
I don't think she ever a book, but Lindsay's Father, Michael
Lohan, said to the Press about this.
I've shut up about this long enough.
She's using my daughter. People, never even knew Samantha
Ronson until she met Lindsay. She was just some La DJ and now
she's writing a book. I'm at wit's end with this
stuff. Oh my God is not in Lindsay's
best interest. Let's just say, I hope when this
starts opening her eyes and realize it's who the people
using her. Are the pot, calling the kettle
black. Yeah.
But his daughter in Show Business.
Yeah, and it has, it's been reported.
I mean, I don't know if it's true that he He sold stories
about Lindsay. Yeah yes.
So he just didn't want to share the attention.
Probably probably he was nervous that Samantha would say
something bad about him to. Yeah, probably probably
September 11th. 2008 Wired Magazine had an article about
Samantha Ronson and it said that she doesn't have a publicist and
she typically doesn't respond much to what's written about
her, but she occasional events on her blog and she on her.
Log was like fact-checking the New York post's page, six
account that she wasn't in town when the paper said that her and
Lindsay. It was like some stupid thing,
like skipped, her sister's birthday party or something, and
Samantha row, every now and went out.
She didn't write this Samantha said in the article every now
and then something pisses me off enough that it's like smoke
coming up from the keyboard. Ronson said miming fear is
typing on the MacBook Pro that heretofore been controlling, the
mixed being able to write exactly what she wants to say,
cuts through the BS. She said, no.
That's like, all I had seen so far of like, her in Put on
anything. They actually hadn't officially
confirmed that they're dating yet, but then September 24th.
2008 Lindsay did say she was dating Samantha Ronson.
So this is when it's like, official, yeah, but they've been
together for like, what year and a half now?
Yeah, September 2008 throw lots of, sightings of them, two of
them out and about holding hands kissing shopping together like
way too many things to share. But so so so so many As of them
September 29th, 2008. This is from sadar magazine,
which I don't think can be trusted, but Let's just read
what they said. It said the real crisis came
after Lindsay and her girlfriend Samantha Ronson attended the
launch of the clothing line of Sam's Twin Sister.
Charlotte on September 6th Lindsey threw a tantrum and
wanted to fight a girl who was talking to Sam a second source.
Told the magazine I don't think we can really trust Star
Magazine but there are later on so many reports of Lindsay being
like really jealous. Hmm, I don't know.
Hmm, October 2008. They were seen riding the New
York subway together. Apparently, they went to a DJ
equipment store. In SoHo November 2008, they were
photographed kissing in the DJ booth and Lindsay told US Weekly
about Samantha. She's a wonderful person in the
hello and I love her very much and she also said I was going to
clubs all the time and it was not okay.
I was so alone, I'm a different person.
Now I'm B. And when asked, if she considers
herself bisexual she said maybe? Yeah, then answered.
No and asked if she was a lesbian, she said, I don't want
to classify myself. First of all, you never know
what's going to happen, tomorrow, in a month, a year
from now, five years from now, I appreciate people and it doesn't
matter who they are. I feel blessed to be able to
feel comfortable enough with myself that I can say that.
And she says, she'd like to marry eventually but whether it
will be up to a man or woman, I don't know.
She's So Young at this point. It's a weird even ask.
This is how it always reminds me of.
Yes, but no, I was going to say, I don't know what's gonna happen
but I don't know. I wonder how Don't know what
Samantha thought was going to happen from their relationship.
Maybe she did think it was just a fun thing, but that would be
kind of weird to hear. She says, like, you never know
what's going to happen tomorrow in a month, a year from now,
five years from now, kind of implying.
Like she could be with him man. Yeah, yeah.
That's so true. As if you were really in love,
you'd be like I'm not even thinking about it now.
That's person. I'm gonna be with ya.
It is the reality of the situation that you really truly
never know what's gonna happen. But you're not supposed to say
that figure in love. Of your right there.
Probably is the reality but it is odd to say it like oh this
yeah, serving me for now it's serving me right now.
Yeah, if I was dating someone like madly in love is almost
yeah. And they said this is serving me
right now tomorrow. I don't know.
I would I would I would freak out row up.
Yeah I don't lose it. I would act the way Lindsay
asked. Her in this episode.
Um, also November 2008 Samantha and Lindsey were in Paris in a
Peta activist through flower, at Lindsay for wearing, fur will
shake. I wasn't wearing it right then,
but she, the person went through it.
At hers was like, she's a full hog.
What do you think about people do that before?
I answer. Let's see, them.
Exclaims. Oh my God, it's just so funny
like hear her. Voice.
I don't know. How would I think of people?
I don't know. I don't know Mel.
What I think about that one. Yeah.
I feel like I don't have an opinion.
I mean it's like I don't wear for hmm mostly because I can't
afford it or leather. Yeah.
But like, I think it's a waste of money to spend money on that.
I don't think animals should be killed for accessories, but I
eat meat. So, I get there cause I think
that's nice but I also don't like, like, harassing people.
So I'm not sure how I feel. Yeah, I feel like it's kind of
effective. Like, I feel like if you're a
celebrity. Yeah, in that happens to you,
you would think twice about wearing it again.
And I feel like, especially if you have a lot of influence that
could help you but am I correct? I don't know who the Vibes.
What people think about the Vibes right now but I feel like
Peta was much bigger and some people don't like Peta.
I think it is like really why? I don't know.
I just remember 2008 Peeta was a lot stronger presence.
I remember my friends wearing Peta shirts and stuff.
Yeah, I just like, do animal abuse, I don't know.
Yeah, that happened in Samantha was there when that happened.
My God. Oh my God, and the girls like
she's a fire. Hug machine runs away.
Yeah. It would be very embarrassing
but I don't know but you're going to be fine.
Yeah you just powder I do think secondhand.
Fur is fine. Yeah I agree.
You're not supporting the industry.
Yeah I agree. Yeah it's already out there.
Yeah and I mean it's better for the environment.
Exactly. Get some plastic faux fur thing
that's so true. You know.
But what if Like that supports you and people buy it and yeah
you so but no I agree. You're right.
If someone was wearing like SEC it was like Nikki Reed in that
episode that we didn't for the Twilight podcast.
She said that she had like a good pair of leather boots and
like she liked in support wearing.
Yeah, leather and fur but like she'd already had them.
She gonna get them away. Yeah, I know that wouldn't be
good. November 21st, 2008.
It just back into them. This is according to the New
York Post. Apparently, the two are at a
show, Sam was doing in Dubai which is foreshadowing because
Lindsay now lives in Dubai. Um, when he walked up to the DJ
booth and screamed, how many more songs, how long is it going
to take for you to pack up? And it said that they were
fighting, like cats and dogs, they fight every day.
Screaming crying yelling at each other.
Sam and Lindsey are still very much together and very much in
love with the drama. Just seems to follow Lindsay and
Sam hates it. She deals with Lindsay every day
and every day, Sam means. And every day for Sam means
questioning is this worth it? Okay.
I don't know if there's like some embellishment there seems
like there dramatic, sizing it a bit but this next thing I have
actually kind of seems similar to that January 1st 2009.
It seems like there was a lot of tension while Samantha.
Dang, this is that New Year's Eve at the mansion in South
Beach in Miami. I believe and there's a video of
it and Lindsay runs up to Sam and the DJ booth and is like
she's yelling something but you can't really tell what she's
saying, but seems like she says, like, why are you?
Um some people think she says, why are you playing this?
Because the song playing is womanizer by Britney Spears two
feuding with Brandi. I think she may have been and
there. The report that she had a crazy
fight yelling later that they had a crazy fight yelling later
and broke things in the hotel room and that Lindsay was
yelling things like when I stole them off, you're supposed to
follow me but then 10 on her blog that all this wasn't true
and she linked to her song Rumors.
No it's a good cop. Yeah I love that song.
I want to show you the video that you can't really use a
video. There's a video.
You can't really tell what's going Going on, but what they're
saying? But yeah interesting is Sam had
her arm around Lindsay at first but then has Lindsay started
yelling at her something. She put her arm away.
Yeah, you can see the body language.
Mmm. This kind of Raising arms up a
little bit like what? And yeah, she's like, I'm
working. Yeah.
He's like mad about a song. Think these dogs?
I don't know if that's why I don't know.
That's it's hard to tell what I lifestyle will get boring.
But again moaning. Yeah, it did seem like she said,
why? But like I don't I don't know
what Lindsey said, we don't know, but there was tension.
And then there was a report that they were fighting later.
So I don't know. January and February 2009.
There were sightings of the two of them nearly every day
traveling, or DJing, or out, and about partying, or shopping
ever. They were together all the time
on Valentine's Day, 2009, there was an article on Gawker, very
snarky, Gawker. That the headline was Lindsay,
Lohan, fights with girlfriend in first hour of Valentine's Day
and this is by Ryan Tate and it says, Lindsay Lohan's
Valentine's Day. Go off to an awesome start at
1:00 a.m. Saturday a fight on the streets
of nolita trailed by Paparazzi and a reporter for the New York
Post adding new details to an earlier.
Post item, Justin rocket Silverman blogs that he was
outside a party for Charlotte Ronson of the Eldridge.
And he saw Lindsay, Lohan and her girlfriends.
Made the Ronson storm out a scowl on.
Face Lindsay soon followed chasing after Ronson Silverman
soon. Followed notebook.
In hand following the fighting couple by just a few steps.
This makes me feel better about creepiness guys following them
at one point Samantha stopped in the middle of Houston Street and
said something in a whisper what are you?
Talking about treats Lindsay and response.
I've been with you all night. A couple disappeared into the
Bowery hotel and Silverman. Did some reflecting.
This is the guy Silverman writing this, as I strolled
away, I was struck by two things first, how painful it must be to
have a lover Ronson, who is so much older and probably more
emotionally mature toy with your heart.
In mind second, how identical Lindsay Lohan, screamed screams
sounded to the drunken female cries.
I her I hear every night outside my East Village window.
As we read Silverman's, post post, we were struck by two
things first, how painful yet. Mi piercing it must be to have
Intrepid reporter document ones. Inaugural Valentine's blowout.
Fight. Second, why was I pin up like
Silverman working on the gossip? Be on Valentine's still single,
apparently sigh. Anyway, I don't know why he
assumes that. Samantha Ronson who's older is
toying with her heart and mind. Yeah, I feel like a conclusion.
He just drew himself but I don't know.
I really well I'm getting at is like It's just like, really hard
to maintain any like stability and their relationship when
there's not like stability with like mind and body.
Yeah, like using substances. So it does seem very chaotic.
It's like, every day there's yeah party and it's like
something wrong you. I bet it like resets every
single day. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
That it's awesome and they're wrong.
I know I can't believe it other Farms did, and it was all is
Normal is very wholesome, there's nothing like this.
You got the stuff that's that's cute that she asked sign.
I need to, like, be more present when I'm like, checking out as a
customer, you know, what I mean to say things like that, to just
talk to the like cashier more like, you know, like sometimes I
do but then sometimes I do and I feel really awkward.
Yeah. I don't know.
I remember like around the Endemic.
And when stores like finally opened, I felt like, I was being
really weird. Like I was some sort of
conversation with people at Trader Joe's and stuff Trader.
Joe's is so friendly, I'm sure they are.
They're really friendly, love those guys.
Great customer service. I feel so bad for the Trader,
Joe's employees in New York because there's always like, a
mile long line. Oh, I know, but they're so
friendly. They're in there.
Literally amazing. I used to work retail myself.
Laughs me too. Yeah, yeah.
Just just letting the hiring managers.
Oh yes. Dealt with a lot of different
types of people. Let's MS-DOS Kelly.
If Kelly's living, as she is happily employed but I get hip
she could get headhunted back to the story.
March 1st 2009, according to daily mail again, can we trust
them? I don't know.
Lindsay was in the process. Us of converting to Judaism for
Samantha. And she, she was photographed
leaving the Westminster synagogue twice they want but
they just went to Sam's younger. Brother's bar mitzvahs, it's
like okay. She was seen at the synagogue.
I don't think that means necessarily.
She's converting her younger brother.
Is that much younger that? Oh, yeah.
Because yeah, I mean science article said, entering the
synagogue of Photography asked Lindsay if she was switching,
religions to which she replied. I'm trying, And she did update
your Facebook status at week and wrote.
I'm converting her change. Religion is sure to surprise her
family. This is from the article.
I come from a long line of Catholics, and I guess her dad
had recently recovered his relationship with God happened
during that period in jail and he said, she's exploring
Judaism. Right now, she's explored the
Church of Scientology. She's tried Kabbalah and now
this I think It's just another phase.
But either way, she's involving God in her life and I'm happy
about that. I guess it's a question for the
people. Would you would you convert
religions for love? I don't know.
I probably would if I was that in love with somebody because
I'm not like super religious. I think.
Honestly like the abrahamic religions.
I think I do like Buddhism. Yeah, I to me.
It's like faith is Faith. And it's like all like kind of
rooted in like the same ideas at the end of the day, so like,
wouldn't be that big of a deal but like it would be a lot of
work. It would be.
So you'd have to like really be committed.
I could see myself doing like another Form of Christianity or
something. If it was like really, really
important. Yeah, I don't know.
I have to say, yeah. But then I get I guess at the
same time it's like, why am I the one who must exit route?
You know what I mean? Yeah.
So I guess. Yeah.
It seems like Sam is very like, I'm Jewish.
Yeah, seems like Lindsay for is just exploring different
religions and is open to it so I don't know.
That's serious. Yes, here it is.
I know. I don't know why.
I just, I love neurons. I think they are really can't
feel like I like her vibe. Which I see we've really chill.
And okay. Also, it's not just because they
are both into women, but she does remind me of Kristen
Stewart, a lot know. I like a very like, low-key,
like chill. No, I've been Christians.
A little less low key though. Yeah.
You think I think so? Yeah.
I feel like she has like this. Like a boisterous side for like
I feel like she's a little Little bit.
Like I feel like she gets jealous.
I don't, we don't. Yeah, that's much more behind
the scenes. She's not an actor, so, yeah,
but I just even though it does seem crazy in there, fighting is
stuff. I was just giving them anyway,
but March 13th, 2009. Hmm, and arrest.
Warrant was issued for Lindsay because of the probation.
Allegation, the judge did drop the warrant several days later
when she decided that Lohan was in full compliance, but the
paperwork was not updated. So, like, that's why she'd been
arrested. He's a lot of mugshots.
Yes, yes, she does March 16, so three days later.
Police were called it their home due to a smashed window during
an argument between them. And I think this is really who
called the police. I think a neighbor, it says, a
neighbor called 911 after Lindsay through a vase through a
window. Wow.
And there actually are pictures of a smashed window and pictures
of four officers, arriving to the door.
So I think it's really like there are pictures of it
unfortunately for the privacy but apparently neither Lindsay
Norseman that answered the door and they waited outside offices
did to see that everything was okay.
But then they left it was pretty bad.
I know you're smashing case. Have you ever smash something so
you were so angry? I never have.
Yeah. Why?
What did you smash a picture frame?
Yeah. It was like a picture of us.
Oh wait I love that. I was like dang I could have
just used for something else. Yeah.
I think it's sometimes it is like therapeutic.
Yeah. I didn't have like I feel like
maybe should next time I get angry.
Yeah. But you can paint it up.
Yeah. So it is it does feel a little
silly. Yeah.
After but I do think it can be. I don't think this was like that
maybe but can feel a little ceremony is like this is over.
I feel like there's a difference between doing it in private and
then doing it in front of someone like In front of
someone. It's like the actress is
throwing of a through. And yeah, I do think like
breaking a plate. Could probably feel really good.
Yeah. I'll consider it next time.
I think a lot of people do that is almost like a form of
therapy. I think I've even heard of.
You can like it sounds really wasteful but like you can go
somewhere and like break play. Yeah, I think I've tried to
break something before and like it just didn't break or
something. And then things Break by
accident all the time. I know, I know that's like fire
really really hard to make fire and it just happens bags by a
common. God lightning can just cause
fire. Yeah it's crazy.
God I know guys like right now there's going to be fire right
now. There's not good.
Yeah. Okay.
But actually that same day later that night Lindsay went to the
Chateau Marmont and Jack Nicholson's house and stay there
till 438 Jack. Eagles then yeah.
What is he doing here? I don't know.
But yeah, so despite the drama of the day still went partying
up nights like everything. Resets it soon.
Yeah. April 2009.
Lindsay. Confirmed to the press that her
and Samantha were over. Actually I do and it sounded
like the breakup was really messy according to people,
Samantha changed the locks on her house in band, Lindsay from
attending an event that was celebrating her sisters fashion.
Brand the event was called I heart, Ronson immediately
following the breakup and there were threats about a restraining
order because Lindsey kept trying to get into the party and
people were telling her, she couldn't get in Sam's family,
made her. Swear that Really over a friend
of Lindsay and Ronson's apparent previously, told the outlet,
they are giving her all the support they can to keep her
away from Lindsay. Another source of Samantha's
said Lindsay is going to try and twist the situation in her favor
but Sam clearly left her not the other way around.
Meanwhile Lindsay wrote several things on her.
Private Twitter page, apparently accusing Samantha of infidelity
and drug use, which led to The Break-Up Up in one message
Lindsay wrote you broke my heart now.
Go away I loved you. My God.
This on my way on Twitter isn't Twitter?
Yeah back when it oh yeah. People are so different.
Yeah, I feel like nowadays, I'd be a big deal that like, basic
HTML look to it. And yeah.
Um, she also tweeted at samms account.
I was right all along cheat and Lindsay tweeted to being cheated
on does wonders to you. Doing this publicly because of
you and your friends because you and your friends call people
with a capital P. Yeah, so you when you broke my
heart and now go away. Did she really cheat on her?
Sorry, I don't know. Maybe they were both at Chateau
Marmont when Samantha stayed in a room below and Z's apparently.
Coincidentally, they're both are 0 and Lindsay tweeted.
Please leave me alone and stop staying in the room below me,
you've woken me In my mother up. Go to bed, keep cheating, you
win, ask your sister to stop yelling, profanities.
Please stop doing drugs. Please go away and go to bed.
You work hard, and you need some rest those around.
You are clearly negative influences, it's not wrong
cheating, if you're not together, I know, I don't think
they were together anymore. Yeah, that's the thing that
like, I'm not sure if that is actually true.
Yeah, I mean I mean, maybe it also like I don't trust Lindsay,
unfortunately. I don't either II mean.
I do worry, I don't know what Samantha was up to, but I do
think Lindsay was doing drugs to, so I don't know.
I think he's not a reliable narrator.
Yeah. And I just seems a little
hypocritical to be like, stop doing jobs around you or
negative influences. I think they hung out with,
like, all these things. Yeah, so I don't know, but I do.
I do feel bad for she said in an Oprah interview that she's only
Cocaine. Like, I know 10 times, it's not
true. It's not like three times.
Yeah. She said, three in the head
rounded up again, it's like, okay, but like, whatever number
you're giving it is more than that.
Yeah, she isn't reliable. That's like pretty.
No, no, she's not reliable. Yeah, it's like my brother.
I said, like, how long do? How often do you, sorry?
Kevin how often do you take out the litter box?
So I try to do whatever do weeks.
It's like if you try to do whatever do eat and it's not
Even every two weeks that's like a cat owner.
That is. I'm sorry.
Kevin, my cousin love you. But that is growing.
I know try to every two weeks, really.
You should do it like every couple days.
Yeah. It's like if that's your if
that's what you're telling people.
Yeah. Morning that wait.
Does he mean like just scooping it out or like completely
replacing the whole thing? I don't know.
I think scooping it out is one of England.
I think he's hopeful. He's gone better.
Did you use a girlfriend? Why would tell you that?
I didn't know that. You're kidding me.
You can cut this out movie. Yeah, we should keep it in
heaven. Yeah, I'll just like, I'll tell
you about it, after we. Okay.
Yeah, after the episode. Yeah, so, back to The Break-Up
apparently Lindsay, talk to US Weekly and said, it's absolute
hell and said that that night where she was not allowed to
enter the party. And then the Chateau Mormont
thing with Sam staying below her in the hotel.
She said it was humiliating and then it was the worst night of
her life sad and according to US Weekly, which again, can we
trust them? I don't know.
But according to US Weekly, Samantha broke up with Lindsay
and then head hired five security guards to keep her out
of the Chateau. I think that's where the party
was. So then they stayed there that
night, and He also told the magazine that she was shunned by
other partygoers is made the way their way in.
She said everyone's turned on me and said that Nicole Richie who
was her friend, I guess walked by her and said, ugh, and Drea
de Matteo. I don't know who that is what
she said come at me bitch and Lindsay said I felt like I was
in Mean Girls but worse that is me going.
Yeah I feel like I wasn't being girls but worse me girls was a
movie. I'm not a bad person.
And this is what happens. I was raised to treat people
well and I'm so tired of this drama.
So it's like people like took Samantha side.
I mean, Lindsay probably has done things that like what upset
people but yeah at the end of the day like it's still hurts,
like she's still a person sources told the magazine.
Again, I don't know if this is true but that Ronson man that
had been trying to break up with Lindsay for the past month but
that Lindsay would threaten to kill herself that meant the
cared about her but wanted out and Lindsay said I'm just really
Hurt the whole situation is sick.
Then Lindsay was on The Ellen Degeneres Show.
And she talked about this, I'll play it.
And in this, in this episode of Ellen Lindsay, just looks really
thin. And I don't know.
I feel very concerned about her and this interview but I'll play
it for you, okay? So, so supposedly cheating, you
weren't cheating. I don't believe in cheating on
someone, you don't want even cheating.
So you didn't cheat. Okay.
And, and all the restraining order, Or watch my father, do
that to my mother like my entire life.
So I really don't, so you don't cheat.
Okay. So, and what about the
restraining order is that, is that did she, did she no idea,
you didn't know, just what am I going to do?
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
I was like, I don't understand. It came out of nowhere, like,
I've supported Charlotte and I've never, I've never done
anything for that to be for people to assume that I'm
dangerous. Okay.
So so you're basically Saying, you just want to focus on work
and you want to try to not let any of this stuff interfere
anymore. Yeah, I mean I've had a really
good opportunity with an amazing actor and it was kind of it's
been put on hold because of all this credit adjustment.
Is it hard for you to you? You going and having meetings?
Are you having a hard time? Convincing people though?
That you're not having a hard time?
No. Okay, so you so it's just a
matter of you. I don't know what happened.
It was like everything fell into place and everything's like
Really moving and going on. And it feels really good because
I mean I didn't get in this business to be a celebrity on
the cover of tabloids and I've been in Target and I'm not that
interesting but and it distracted and just tracks
people at Studio has everyone, you know they get nervous and
I've been through a lot but that doesn't.
I was 19 years old, when years old, when things happen and you
know, I'm ready to work and I'm responsible and I can be on time
and I've learned from my mistakes, Right?
Lynn. You're so talented.
I mean, your we all want you to, we want the best for you because
you are a good person and you're extremely talented.
Say what you want about Alan, but she's so good at what she
does. No, she's gonna Cobble a direct
really good, you know. I'm a fan of Ellen's you could
just die. That was a pretty awkward
interview though. Without was, I don't think she
should have been on a talk show. So at all I don't think she was
like in a weird place mentally. Again I think she doesn't have
like a support system. She just seemed like very
defensive. Yeah which is understandable but
it just felt I don't know. You could tell Ellen was just
trying to ask the question. Yeah Lindsay was kind of
combated where she was like what am I gonna do?
Like anybody could do something like it's Yeah, that made me
exists funny that interview um about The Break-Up her freaking
dad, Michael Lohan said to ABC News.
He said about The Break-Up, well thank God.
I think it's a healthy decision that she take a break and relax
and pursue her own career in her own goals.
What they had was very toxic, it had become very toxic, he
doesn't need to follow Samantha round, she needs to sit down
with her parents, she's just she needs the support of both of us
to help her along. And he's an emotional person.
I want her to get out on with her life in the right direction
and healthy way. I mean that all sounds nice but
I'm just skeptical of her. Yeah, I don't know.
It just seems like he has been supportive of the whole time and
I just maybe I'm just inserting my own bias but I'm assuming
it's because she's with a woman but I don't know.
No, I'm guessing. Yeah, her grandmother who's
actually named Marilyn interesting.
Well, in Long Island's, told People magazine, we'd all like
to reach out to her. We're all here for her and we'd
love to see her me. As a grandmother.
I'd like to try and help her out but she's not here.
She's in La. I think she needs her family and
her life but they're not they should be.
I haven't seen her in over a year.
I don't know what happened. I'm heartbroken will happen is
that it was too much too fast and she was on her own too
early. She was too young and they get
into the party scene. It's very hard for him.
And then Marilyn said, I love her.
Call me. I'm here for her and anything.
I can do please get in touch so yeah.
And as for Winning with Samantha.
Her grandma said, I don't think she should be with her.
Hmm. So then this is when Lindsay got
her Marilyn Monroe tattoo with the quote, everyone's a star and
deserves the right to twinkle and a source.
I mean, who knows who this is? But said to people, she feels
alone all of their mutual friends have turned on her,
she's 22, but this would be tough to handle it any age, but
then another source said she's being painted as this victim but
She's not. She's a strong girl.
Hmm. Well she is 100% of victim of
her parents, I think and the victim of like the industry.
So like yeah far does that go? You know?
Yeah, around this time she was in a Funny or Die video.
Remember those? Yeah, kind of like poking fun at
herself. It was like a spoof commercial
for a dating site and in it she says hi my name is Lindsay.
I'm searching for love. I'm recently, single, I think,
and I'm looking for someone who I can spend the rest of my life
with, or at least the rest of my probation.
She says a little bit about me. I'm an actress, a singer, an
entrepreneur, and I single-handedly keep ninety
percent of all gossip websites in business.
She says, I would Define my personality as creative a bit of
a night. Owl workaholic a Shopaholic and
according to the state of California and alcoholic, as
well as a threat to all security guards, if they work in hotels,
so I guess Is referencing that night?
Yeah I'm looking for a compatible mate who likes a
night on the town as long as he or she is driving, of course,
like single monitoring bracelets, and doesn't have
family members, quick to issue, restraining orders.
So a lot of references to Samantha in that little skit.
However, it wasn't really over between them.
As I said earlier, this lasted until like 2011 May 2009 Lindsay
was seen driving to a restaurant.
Samantha was eating at and asked this is crazy to me as the
porosity who Samantha was with and apparently she was with a
girl and he seemed upset but later that night she went to
Samantha's and exactly so many videos.
I know, it's really invasive, but there's so many Paparazzi
videos of them going to Samantha's house.
Like, I feel like I know. Samantha is gate in front door.
Yeah, so well, it kinda scary, it's like crazy.
Yeah. June 11th.
There's a video of Samantha parking her car and her garage.
And then she walks around her gate to the front of the house
and the paparazzi just like hounding her.
Like there's so many and then Lindsay shows up in her car and
she's like, shielding her eyes from the camera and
interestingly the paparazzi one of the guys goes guys stop and
then they turn off the lights and then they turn off the
cameras. So I don't know I feel like
There are some couples words like, oh, this seems fake, like,
they're calling the paparazzi. You know, seems stage, but them
I was like, okay, no, this is the yeah, not stage like this is
crazy. Like people were just camping
out outside of Samantha's house. That's sad.
She should move. I don't I couldn't figure out
why. They were always going to Sam's
house. Yeah, there were never at
Lindsay's. I don't know.
Lindsay might have had like more bodyguards.
I mean Samantha's rich though. Yeah.
Does she go by Samantha or Sam? I think.
Both mmm. Yeah, then July 21st.
Okay. So like a month later, July 21st
2009. There is another video of
Lindsay coming to Samantha's and says, open the door, please.
They're recording. And then you can actually hear
in the video and I feel so like, nosy, and creepy for watching
this and knowing this. But you can hear Lindsay yelling
you lied. You fucking lied.
You want to see it? Yeah.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Isn't that crazy? So yeah and it Samantha that's
crazy. They said like you're gonna go
stocks am now like stalking them.
Yeah. So yeah Lindsay because that is
interesting like the properties like talking to them and they
both responded. These like you're disgusting,
knocks on the door. And yeah, the properties.
Like she's sleeping Samantha. Yeah, because I think it's 6
a.m. they are, you can hear in the video is concrete.
I feel really creepy that I even watch this, but you can hear
Lindsay yelling and being like um, the hide yum.
I feel I thought I had was like, I don't know why you wouldn't
keep your voice down if you know that there's like Paparazzi out
outside. But like 6:00 a.m. you're tired.
Yeah. And then there was a bag of
clothes. Yeah.
Well, you know a lot about We can only assume it does seem
crazy that that would just be there for anyone to see but I
guess I mean Samantha's house really doesn't have a big front
lawn at all. There's like a little gate and
then the door is kind of just like right there.
I have to assume that they're like not back together but like
still like Sam even though she's like Collins.
Yao is like still like letting Lindsay in.
Yeah. Yeah it's not like a fresh cut.
Yeah. Then three days later.
There's another video of Lindsay shown up at Samantha's house,
seemed same gate, same door, everything and then Samantha
arrives in her car in parking. Garage is kind of like, outside
of the house and Samantha's walking in.
And the paparazzi tells him, she looks pretty and laughs.
And then smooth, it says, you think that's funny.
So you want to see it? Yeah.
Do you feel like if you were that famous?
Like obviously that's harassment and it would be like scary and
like if you're dating but a part of you would be like, at least
people care like, you know, it's like you would feel like at
least people care what I'm doing.
Yeah. It would be crazy.
I feel like it would have to feel a little flattering.
Yeah an obsessive it's a process.
If anybody really hates you too. It's like that's a compliment
that's a The biggest compliment. That's true.
That is mean though.
There were like look pretty easement then and laughed.
Like oh I didn't even know it was a joke.
Yeah, I think so. That's really neat.
Like you think that's funny? Yeah, so Lindsay's bag showing
up at her house, there was more reports of Lindsay, going to her
house and then July 3rd, the two of them, apparently got lunch
together for Lindsay's 23rd. A day in Malibu and so let me
turn 23 Samantha's. Now, 20 notes means is now 31.
Apparently, she wished Lindsay a happy birthday on Twitter and
Lindsay replied. Aw, thanks babe like several.
He's LOL. So, it seems like they're back
together here. Then there was this another kind
of crazy seeming night. This was July, 26 2009.
I guess they were both I don't know after Lindsay was out
drinking at Playhouse in La Lindsay and her friend went to
Smith the Ronson's house around 3:00 a.m. and this is all on
video like those similar to those videos.
We just saw and after several hours of waiting I guess Lindsay
was upset and crying when Sam arrived at 5 a.m.
So I guess, Lindsay been there for two hours and I think before
Sam said or Article said that Sam changed the locks on her
house. Seems like Lindsay still doesn't
have like a way to get in or something.
So she's waiting. Sam arrives at 5.
A.m. Sam says who's out here and
Lindsay cries out your girlfriend and Lindsay.
Okay. What is it Lindsay's asking her?
Like where she's been? She keeps saying like, where
were you? Where were you?
And Sam like won't answer but
then she said, she was with her sister and Lindsay says, she
doesn't believe her. It's like on video.
It's Kind of crazy to see but Lindsey has this friend there
with her. And Sam says she has to leave.
I don't know her and Lindsay's friend come stumbling out of the
gate, the front yard and seem so drunk.
And then this car alarm is going off and she's trying to turn the
car alarm off and Sam. Keep saying, she should call a
cab, she should call a cab. And I think, even the paparazzi
guys, like, is she driving? And then once he goes into
Samantha's house and leaves her friend out there and then the
Friend is awkwardly like stumbles back up to the gate to
the door? He's like a total third meal.
Yeah. So then August 9th Lindsay's
seeing going to Samantha's again this time with her sister Ali
and it's kind of funny. They brought bunch of DiGiorno
pizzas Pirate's, Booty McDonald's.
Seems like they're having a low-key night, and it's two days
after Samantha's, 32nd birthday. So, I don't know if it's like
force Samantha's birthday apparently on her actual
Birthday. Sam bid had been DJing in
Chicago and Lindsay went so it seems like they're really back
together now. Like there were all those video
Paparazzi things made it seem like Lindsay to kind of just
like, showing up and like maybe they were still talking but
still fighting to but here it seems like like they're back
together. But there's wait there's way too
many stories of Lindsay at this time, like out on the town, like
I couldn't even keep up with it. So I'm leaving out a lot.
September 4th, 2009. This is this is sad.
Actually, their friend, DJ Adams.
Name is Adam Goldstein. Apparently, overdosed and died.
I think Samantha was his friend and her and Lindsay went to his
funeral and so did John Mayer. I know John Mayer is back in
this and there was also a story about another one.
I think of their friend at least someone like in their Circle
kind of this girl Casey. Johnson.
I think she was just she was like a socialite.
She's actually from like the Johnson & Johnson family.
Oh, wow, she also, overdosed and died.
So I was just thinking like oh my gosh, it seems like this time
it's you know, they're having all this fun partying, you know,
presence helped in Brittany. All these people.
Now it's like kind of coming to an end.
Yeah, you know. It's at the reality of it.
Yeah. It's kind of like crazy that
like they didn't like that didn't happen.
I know, I know October 16 2009. Beverly Hills judge had extended
Lindsay's probation for her drunk driving conviction, a year
ago, and give her more time to complete a required Alcohol,
counseling program, but she was warned that she would go to
jail. If the judge heard that she had
not been attending her counseling meetings and they
said that they wanted while they wanted her to have a career.
They that Lindsay cannot film her nose at the court.
So they're basically saying like you have to, you have to do this
or you're going to go to jail. In New York Magazine, December
2009. There were reports that Lindsay
Lohan and Samantha Ronson. Maybe getting back together with
the help of an unlikely friend. John Mayer was spotted playing
relationship. Counselor to the exes when they
ran into each other at the New York Hot Spot butter on Monday
night. And this is what the New York
Magazine article said it's Lindsay and Sam didn't arrive
together. Lindsay walked in and the to set
a quick hello. But then Lynn's went to the
Table where John was sitting according to the source meant,
eventually came over to the table.
But sat far away on the opposite side, much to lilo's.
Dismay when he looked upset that Sam hadn't come over to her and
started whispering to John who looked like he was trying to
calm her down. She looked pretty angry.
Then John got up and went to talk to Sam Ronson.
Got up with mayor and walked over to Lindsey just a few
minutes later. The source notes that after
mayor's intervention, the tumultuous to some spent much of
the night talking and laughing La Lohan.
Even ended the evening looking content and dare we say it
stable. I feel like John Mayer would mix
himself up into the meds, see what he's like.
This makes me feel better about my life.
So true. He's like guys guys guys it's
just be like adults right now. Yeah II.
He comes up again. Oh my God.
But okay, December 2009. So this is less than a month
actually. It was actually reported that
Lindsay's been seen out and about with guys and that she was
dating men again. Um, then early 2010, she was in
an interview with Alan Carr, who is a British personality.
And I think his thing is to be like really raunchy and ask
inappropriate questions and things.
But it mean is kind of shocking. He was like, are you back on the
cock? And She like refused to answer.
She was like next question. Next question.
And he said we are next one. Be a man or a woman.
And she said, I refuse to discuss this and was like, see
if there's other questions and she even like reached out and
like because he had a pile of questions and I was like this is
a lot of you other questions. See there's other questions like
she's really don't want to talk about it.
Hmm. And it does seem like Lindsay is
kind of going downhill at this point like she's being banned
from clubs and God it was really a mess.
In February 2010, she told the sun, we love each other, we
might reconcile the relationship, maybe, I don't
know. This was 10 months after their
initial breakup and she said I think Samantha was going as a
celebrity and a musician. I think that might have scared
her family. I've always been her biggest
supporter and yeah I love her. All the fighting stuff was just
because of all her friends. I got involved and made me an
outcast which wasn't fair to submit that.
I think it was a jealousy thing in terms of her becoming more
famous than the rest of them. I never really thought about
women before it just kind of happened with Samantha.
She's the only woman I've ever been attracted to.
I've never had a relationship as public is that especially being
with a girl for the first time, that was really scary for me,
but I didn't care because I love her.
Hmm, February also favored 2010, Lindsay, defended Samantha.
Because apparently, they've been rumors that Sam had gotten
violent during a fight. In Lindsay's who we did.
This has become a bit. Much Samantha are never raised a
hand to me. I've never said she didn't.
There's enough focus on other more important, dot, dot dot
World issues. If you tweet this.
Yeah wow and then Samantha thanks her in Lindsay tweeted
back you are welcome went swinging face that Lindsay once
again look Lindsay is a good person I think she's trying.
Yeah yeah Lindsay showed up at Samantha's at 2 a.m. so Many
times this happens just like I don't know.
Another fighting night, there's screaming, clearly audible
outside before it calmed down. Apparently Lindsay left the
house at 6 a.m. and then it's meant the left not long after
that. And there were reports that
Lindsay have been kind of like chasing around l.a. trying to
find Samantha. That Samantha was dining at a
place called. She could chick Coney's
Restaurant in Beverly Hills. And then she moved on to the,
darkroom on Melrose, Avenue and Lindsay showed up there and ask
if Samantha was inside and looked disheartened when she was
told that she had left, and then Lindsay was even more upset when
she learned from photographers, at Smith had been with another
woman. And then she arrived at
Samantha's home in the early hours of Wednesday, and the two
could be heard arguing, and then Witnesses said, they heard
Lindsay, crying and asking Samantha to come to me.
But that's the second time that's been reported that she
was like, asking, Paparazzi doesn't matter who Samantha was
with and where she was, I don't suppose I would if I was in the
same position I would do it. Yeah, I don't know what's going
on here. I hope Samantha isn't like
cheating, but I wonder if they're like officially to.
I don't think so. Yeah, I feel like they're not
because it kind of, I mean, I don't know.
It just seems like Lindsay's kind of like showing up.
Yeah, I'm in the house all the time.
People officially break up. Yeah.
But they're unofficially like still seeing each other for a
really long time. I literally have friends in the
middle of that right now. Yeah it happens all the time May
20th 2010 MZ mr. Required court hearing in which
the judge was going to determine whether she'd been attending
weekly alcohol counseling sessions as ordered and her
defense. Lawyer told the judge that
Lindsay was unable to fly back from the Cannes Film Festival in
France, because she lost her passport.
And then the arrest warrant was issued by the judge at the
hearing, but it was withdrawn after a representative posted
her 1800 thousand dollar bail. Crazy.
Then there were new bail, conditions imposed on her, the
judge ordered, a drinking ban random weekly drug testing it,
the actress would be fitted again of the bracelets detect
alcohol, but there are more crazy stories of nights out
Lindsay, drunk tripping, and hurting her knee and Lindsay
apparently popping into places. She knew Samantha would be
working at I guess I was like, oh, that's so true.
Like she's a DJ. Yeah, she can like always find
her. Yeah, somewhere.
But July 2nd, Samantha to be that onesie.
Happy birthday Old Spice. Lindsay responded, thank you.
I love you, baby. Bella!
Oh, Lola and Rios. So thank you to older spice.
Hey, what did she say? Lola and Rio.
Where her dogs? She's saying.
Thank you. Love you, baby, Bella.
Oh my dog. Say, thank you to older spice.
Ice. So it seems like they call each
other, like Old Spice and older spice.
Yeah. They're both kind of Ginger.
Hmm. Like that's has a bad shit.
Lindsay seems very like enthusiastic and always inherent
to beats to, yeah. Like there's in a winky face,
like happy to get any interaction.
Yeah, Sam. Yeah.
But then July 6 2010, the judge Revel ordered Lindsay to serve,
90 days in jail, for missing. Her alcohol, counseling sessions
in violation of her probation, and also ordered her 90 days in
a drug-and-alcohol rehab program after her jail term is complete.
I did, I did do everything that I was told to do, and I did the
best. I could do a sobbing Lohan, told
the judge, and, you know, there's videos of this and
pictures of her at some chairs, like the blond hair, and she's
in the court. And she finds out, she's going
to jail. She starts crying.
And you can tell she really can't believe it.
They asked if she could be given two weeks before he actually
goes to jail. And they said yes.
So she had two weeks to prepare. I guess I feel like I'd want to
get it over with. I know we how long was she?
Send in sport 90 days but then 90 days in rehab after that, to,
okay, after this. But before she went to jail,
Samantha didn't interview to the times.
UK, talking about her relationship with Lindsay and
she said, the fact that Perez Hilton called me some man.
It's the most homophobic thing ever.
The perpetuation of the idea that I'm The Man in the
relationship. Okay.
Yeah, my hair is short and I'm a DJ but I'm a girl.
I'm not dude, I'm pretty feminine.
At the end of the day everyone was Like openly gay DJ Samantha
Ronson, no excuse me, I'm not gay, I'm an equal-opportunity
player. I still go back and forth.
I got called so many things by the press that openly gay was
the least of my worries at that point.
Of course, I must be masculine and I must be violent.
I'm sorry when the rumors started that, I hit her,
whatever I called up, Lindsay and was like, you need to dead
this rumor. Now, her brother, Mark Ronson
said, I never thought there was anything wrong with Samantha
Lindsay because that seemed to make her happy until I started
to see the really horrible. Herbal - emotional impact than
she had in her life and all of our family.
I was like this is just bad news any way you want to slice it.
We all told her that there were several intervention type things
were we all tried to make her see this.
I love her as a human being says Ronson.
And I'm not going to sit there and to get everything that we
had, you know, I could have a thousand times, countered shit
with facts in this, just not for me.
I'm sorry, my Twitter page is for me to be like, dude, I need
to pee and stuff about American Idol, and they asked, so you're
not back, Other. No, she exclaimed not at all.
Do you want to get back together?
Ha ha ha, ha, Samantha Ronson, laughs hesitantly, no comment on
that one. Let me ask you guys this.
Hmm. Do you think our relationship is
ever too? Toxic to be redeemed.
It gets to the point of toxicity that even if they worked on
themselves, even if all these things happened, it's just too
far gone maybe because I do think like, people get you Used
to playing almost like a certain role.
Yeah certain people and I feel like it would I don't know I
think you would need some time apart.
Yeah I agree. Yeah what do you think?
I mean I think people change so just because they're toxic and
that relationship doesn't mean they'd be toxic in another
relationship if they really work on themselves.
But yeah, I feel like it'd be like muscle memory like you'd go
back into it and like, yeah, in the other person probably would
expect you Act in a certain way and then you would, so yeah, I
don't know. Um, but then July 20th. 2010
Lindsay was put in handcuffs and then Beverly Hills courtroom and
taken to jail to begin her term and ten days later.
Samantha visited Lindsay in jail.
I don't know if she did other times too, but the paparazzi was
following her and it's actually crazy.
There's tons of Paparazzi following her as she walks
across the parking lot. And then she goes with, The gel
later, you see her running out. He just like really?
Yeah, I don't blame her. I feel like I would run away,
too, you know. Oh, that's so it's just insane.
He's visiting her Jay. I know, that's nice.
I heard like, it's Gotta Be Lonely in there.
I know. Did you ever hear that Lindsay?
I think was put next to the woman.
Like, Alexis Neiers, who robbed her house?
No, I didn't know that. That's crazy.
Yeah, that crazy. Wow awkward.
After Lindsay was released. Oh, she was actually released
less than two week. Wait, oh gun, looks like she, I
think she was actually really early and then taken to the
Ronald Reagan. UCLA Medical Center and LA to
begin her court-ordered rehab. Yeah.
And the judge and there was a new judge put in who replaced
the previous one and said that once he had learned her lesson,
what like they keep saying that, And Lindsay acknowledged on her
Twitter that she had failed a drug test, I guess.
But said she's working hard to overcome her drug addiction and
said regrettably, I did fail. In fact feel my most recent drug
test and if I'm asked I'm prepared to appear before the
judge Fox next week as a result I do think it's so weird that
like people with drug addictions are treated like criminals like
it's a disease like it's so crazy that they it's so crazy
that anyone is in jail for using drugs.
They just sad I do understand though.
Like she did have several DUIs and that's, oh, yeah dangerous.
That is dangerous. Yeah, I'm guessing.
She had her license taken away, right?
Yeah, I think that's why. I spent some it was always
driving her around. Oh yeah, there's a lot more
legal issues. There's many more stories.
Actually. She was also arrested for
shoplifting. Oh in 2011.
Yeah, that's what it's like. Why do you need to shop?
Thank you. Yeah, there was like a A search
warrant for the necklace and they found it.
But then February 18th, 2011, I guess the two spent a night
together at the Hollywood. Roosevelt Hotel.
Again in Sam tweeted watching Grey's Anatomy, my fav show and
then at 5 a.m. said at Lindsay, Lohan sleeping next to me.
Should I wake her up to let her know her?
Mom is going on. Good Morning America.
But then a month later, it appeared that Sam had moved on
and was seen kissing yoga instructor name.
Tiffany Russo. And then D spent five hours in
jail again, after violating drunk-driving, probations and
charged with theft and she had to do a home confinement for
theft and violating probation, and she had continued to miss
her community service at you've been ordered to do.
And then this shocked me actually some people who knew
about this but Samantha was actually charged with a DUI
home. Her first Samantha.
I'm sorry if you're listening. I'm sorry.
I judged this up. Yeah.
Just cause I saw you recently. I feel ya connection to you.
But yeah, she'd been arrested for drunk driving.
A couple hours. North of Los Angeles at 10:30
a.m. Oh God.
Apparently, she was on her way home from a DJ Gig and was given
two charges of misdemeanors and she has mug shot.
Oh wow. Is it the only time she's ever
been arrested? Yeah I believe that's the only
time and Wondering. What the heck was going on back
then? Don't you feel like so many
celebrities were getting DUIs? Yeah, you know, who has won
Reese Witherspoon, really? Well, her husband was arrested
for DUI and she was arrested for, like, like trying to fight
the cob my God. Yeah, the ever.
So wholesome resources. I know, but I just feel like it
was so prevalent in the 2000's. Everyone was going to be wise
and you just don't hear that. And that's the problem with that
life. Yeah, maybe it forces you to.
Drive. I was wondering, like did boober
really changed this that much. Like maybe people still are
getting them and I just don't know because I actually feel
like I pay less attention than these people are rooftop driver,
you know, they don't need to be drinking and driving at all.
Yeah, yeah, I was reading some interview with Lindsay and I
think someone kind of asked her about that.
Was like you don't take cabs do you and she's like yeah I do
take cabs so I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what is up
with that by honestly what? I shouldn't say this.
Honestly, I have People that I know that live in LA and I feel
like, I don't know them that well, but like, I feel like I've
heard that like, it's like a lot more common for people in LA to
drink and drive. Yeah, it is for, like, people
out here in like real cities. Yeah.
I could see us getting. I feel like when I'm back home,
like, in the suburbs, like, you know, you have to drive
everywhere and I will get drinks.
And people, and usually, you just have one or maybe two but
like, it is Tricky. I don't know.
Yeah, I'm not excusing it all. I think it's really bad.
It's so dangerous. I mean they're lucky they didn't
kill anybody. They are of a yeah, place of
privilege. They don't need to drive it all
if they get bored easily afford to have someone else read them.
So the fact that they're not like thinking about that is
really inconsiderate they're so lucky that they only just got
arrested but mmm. I do think that's more common.
Yeah, spread out cities like that.
Totally, in November 2011, Lindsay actually went to jail.
Again, she had to, I think she had to complete the deal time.
She didn't finish last time. I don't really get how that
works. Yeah, I don't know, I don't
understand. I wouldn't like that.
So you let me out but I think because she, because she was let
out, assuming she would do certain things and then she
didn't do them. Yeah, like her probation.
So Yeah, I'm going to do but she did talk about Samantha in 2012.
She said, she had an interview with US.
Weekly normally wouldn't trust us.
We could but it seems like she actually talked to them.
And she said, I was bold enough to say yeah.
I like a girl and that put her in a situation where she was
being attacked every day. That's not fair.
And what am I left with? Heartbreak that was three years
ago. It was my last serious
relationship. I needed to love myself before I
could be with anyone and I was going through.
Lot 2 stalks of people cannot be together and of story or
friends. Now, that's how it started.
So I think that's what it's meant to be.
And yeah, it seemed like, it seemed like they are over now,
but it appears, they're still untouched because Samantha
Lindsay was in a car crash, just kissing and only things, I know
it's crazy and there's video of Samantha's waiting for her car
and like the valet, and she's smoking the cigarette.
And this Paparazzi guy is like, did you hear about me?
His car crashed and seems like what car crash and like, she's
in a car crash. You think he's okay, heard their
injuries and Sam's like, there were no injuries and there's
like, I heard it was pretty serious.
And then seems like, I already talked to her.
She's fine. So, it appears, they're still in
touch. Here's where John Mayer comes
out. June 2012.
Um, this was in that article that was like the dirty mind and
lonely heart of John Mayer. I just spotted this.
It said, I know this isn't that real?
Evan but we discovered him last episode.
It says, every time he sees a Paparazzi he can't help himself.
He's got to act out just the other day.
He and his friend, the well-known lesbians meant the
Ronson engaged in a bit of a hot up against the wall.
Oral sex, silliness for the cameras, really good stuff and
then there's a picture of him holding Sam.
Oh my God. That's like, are you?
I don't really know the oral sex thing.
Yeah, they like pretended charades.
Yeah, it's funny. Yeah.
So, I mean, that's the end of the relationship really.
But there, they have talked more about it.
As always happens years later, like reveal more in. 2013
Samantha about their relationship relationship said,
yeah. Oops, and said she had panic
attacks. All the time, and that she lost
so much weight and had so much anxiety about her, public
relationship, with Lindsay and kind of controversially in 2013
Lindsay had an interview with Piers Morgan and she said, I
like, boys, I know I'm straight. I haven't, I have made out with
Girls before and I had a relationship with a girl, but I
think I need to experience that and I think I was looking for
something different. She said she was in love with
Samantha Ronson during the relationship and said, I still
love her as a person. I like being in a relationship
with a guy Lindsay said, but there's something just different
about it with a woman. When I was with Samantha, I
didn't want to leave because I didn't want to be alone.
It was very toxic, it is kind of weird.
I mean, I trust Lindsay, but like it is kind of weird to be
like, before when she was dating Sam to be like, I'm not going to
Define it, like I don't want to find it.
And then years later be like, no, I'm straight.
I mean like and and Define it. You know what I mean?
It's like that, that feels a little bit like Like
heteronormative. I know, I really wonder what's
going on there. It seems like it does come up
again, but, it seems like she's really trying to distance
herself. Yeah, whole relationship, which
is sad, but that would be really traumatizing.
If I was Sam to be like, oh, oh, oh, like, you don't.
I know, like, you don't even think that, like, counted as
like, I don't know. I hope Sam at least takes as a
compliment that she was the only woman that was really a ever.
Had feelings for in 2014. This isn't really related at all
to her relationship with Samantha, but I don't know if
you've heard about this, there was like this list Lindsay made
apparently on a piece of paper that was left behind in a hotel
room. Some reason he knows, but it's
like a list of guys and it supposedly people think a list
of guys she slept with and it's like a lot of famous people.
Wow. Um, and on the list it says Zac
Efron, but it's spelled L drawing Z IC.
Ke F, FR o n, we got Adam Levine, Evan, Peters, James
Franco and Justin Timberlake. There's so many people.
Yeah, I'm not surprised, but it doesn't.
There's even Guy Berryman from Coldplay, which I was like,
what? Wait, Adam Levine, I'm not
surprised about that. It's Frank, he was Franco.
Yes, I am Peter. Yeah.
Oh my God, she later said that the list was actually from step
five of Alcoholics Anonymous, which is the acknowledgement of
what One's past and wrongdoings cuz I was will their Wilmer
Valderrama on the list? Let me see.
Well, actually, a lot of the names have been blurred out for
whatever reason. Ok, but there's okay.
PC fell, I don't know. That is Jay Phoenix.
Lucas Joaquin, Phoenix. Yeah Mikoto rela Evan Peters.
Yeah Builder builds around them, Jamie Burke, Jamie Dornan, Zac
Efron, spelled wrong, Justin Timberlake, Colin Farrell Heath
Ledger Ryan rotman Max Green Guy.
Berryman James Franco, Adam Levine Garrett Hedlund but for
some reason her headlands No, other names.
All the other names are blurred out.
Well, we can only assume I know. It's just interesting that she
did acknowledge that. That was her piece of paper.
I know why would those guys what did you do to Evan Peters?
What did you do to him in 2017? Sam was on the podcast.
Home Ophelia and she said a lot of interesting things about her
relationship with Lindsay and just some, I do interesting
things, she said something about that.
She was at the time. She was single and she was
worried that she was alone because she because being gay is
against God. She's saying like sometimes I
worry that I'm alone because it's grown, or now, that's a
really sad. Um, she said about Lindsay.
She said, she was known for being sexy and the fact that she
was Unapologetic. Logic of unapologetic about it,
meaning like Unapologetic about being with her was so
refreshing. And I will always appreciate
that and have so much respect for that.
She also said that she was a good influence on Lindsay and
that she didn't do drugs. I was the only person who didn't
use her. I was the one thing.
The only thing that I was was that I was a woman in the
beginning. Her publicist tried to tell her
to sway to not be public. She said that Lindsay's
jealousy. Made it difficult for Sam to
date anyone else. And also said, I would drive
like a maniac to escape Paparazzi and little did I know
that she was telling them where we were going?
My God actually have some of these clips saved me back and
play some. She had said that she was sober
for three point five years. So that what she said she was
sober for three and a half years.
I just wrote it. Yeah, she's such a nuisance over
three and a half years so that would mean like around 2014.
She stopped drinking. Yeah, Lindsay did no Sam's dead.
Yeah, so yeah, she's still sober to this, I'm gonna play.
A some clips actually. Yes, this is from home.
Ophelia I thought that was a funny.
Yeah. Title or if show name
Stop drinking like three and a half years ago. and so every
single so I notice now in people's like dating profile has
like a glass of wine in it and like if your first like Photo oh
nothing just saying like if your first photo has that probably
not going to work out mmm conversation with her because it
was just so public and just like during that like because because
through the course of my relationships in the last like
sent as he pretty much like find a girlfriend, I came to New York
and I stayed at my mother's house with her everything fine
unless our mother didn't like the human mentioning Moon Z
okay, I don't know what this one is, just like, that's just what
it was and there was such like a There was I guess I was so much
- negativity about so many things in her life, but the best
thing she could possibly be was gay.
She know. It was the only thing that
wasn't going to get her arrested or rehab or whatever else.
So like, it was kind of a positive in her life.
People are rooting for her. Yeah.
So so kind of and that was the year that that Katy Perry song.
Like I kissed a girl and I liked it and I quantize I feel like
Was a lot more Acceptance in general gay.
People at the time at least I mean I wasn't such a bubble, I
should so greatly. I can't imagine.
Yeah, I just can't imagine what that is for you.
Well you know what was amazing about it for me was that I had
been with this girl for a little while for a while before who was
so in the closet that if I was at her house and a friend of
hers called and said I couldn't find parking, can I crash at
your house? I had to leave.
Wow, I couldn't Park in her garage in case think she's just
saying Lindsay didn't do that. So she appreciated that Lucy is
always have had I've won more I don't know what it is.
Cars. Got key.
She may have moved in next door to me.
Oh my God. The way I was with Paparazzi and
press and all that was so like keep my head down.
Like I wasn't like those people wasn't like kind of figure out
how to get famous off that. So even the paparazzi guys knew
that. Hmm, look at that up.
I like I was like the other things I wanted to do at me like
that. Like unhinged desire is like in
people, it's like in everybody but I feel like if you're like,
obviously abusing drugs and alcohol like Your intermissions
are a just comes out. Yeah, I feel bad Feelin.
See, I know this crazy. It does seem like the way you
talk about it. It sounds so fairy in the past
like, so long ago. Yeah, yeah.
Like even she's like oh like Lindsay.
Like she's not like doing that now.
Yeah, she's so out of the. Yeah, yeah, yeah sure.
That she admired that Lindsay wasn't ashamed to be with her
and she didn't try to hide it. And asked if it was lame that
she was on Raya and I thought was interesting.
She said I mean I know this is new As you may guess, but she
said that she would like to have a wife and a kid or husband.
Oh, I hate their Raya exists. You know, I hate that.
I know, I really good. So offencive that like somewhat
famous people have a separate dating.
I know why can't you just date a normal person?
Do you think you're so above everybody else?
You could take me on a said, that's how I feel about TSA
PreCheck and way. I think nobody should have this
special thing because it's like, are we in medieval Europe right
now? I know it's like it's like surf
ISM or whatever honestly Mel we do because honest differences
and we do true but yeah you have to apply for a membership.
I've never Pariah. I'm on it right now.
The only button is apply for membership.
It's like you email got one. One of my friends have has
friends on it. I can assure, you can guess.
Which one? Yes, can't believes meant the
Ronson. I mean, It's people in the
hallway. Paparazzi do you think we could
go on get on right? Because you just try it.
No. You had to someone famous person
has like recommend you really the same?
Wow. Any famous people.
So then in 2018 Lindsay was on The Wendy Williams Show.
I love when demons. You and Wendy asked her
point-blank. If Lindsay considers herself
sexually fluid and Lindsay said, no.
I like men and Wendy brought up her past with Samantha and
Lindsay laughed and said I was living in La.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but, no, I'm not dating right
now. Where does she live now?
Oh yeah, Greece or 82 by yeah. Oh yeah, Greece to, um, I don't
know. I think that is crazy.
It's just so interesting. I mean, it's her, it's not Up to
her. It's her life.
I do think some people feel like almost betrayed that onesie says
that you know like yeah. Isn't it actually blew it or
anything? She said, I guess.
You think he's speaking her truth and maybe you know, back
then maybe she felt like she was bisexual and now she doesn't.
I think that's what kind of fluidity is.
Yeah. I feel like someone is one said,
this me. It's like taste buds.
It's like you like certain foods and then you don't like certain
foods. Yeah, yeah.
I'm gonna goes. True.
And she talked about again on Howard Stern and she said about
Samantha. She said we were friends more
than anything. We were always more like best
friends as well I don't I know I don't think so maybe not yeah
yeah throw base of the one of our friend.
I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play.
I just want to hear ya. One of your Howard.
I remember when you were dating Samantha Ronson that was wild.
I didn't think that was talked about on the show you do What do
you say on the show about your friends?
The only warning you are still friends.
Well yeah we were always more like best friends.
It's not your thing now, but no on the show.
It's just a relation to one of Mike, who's one of the VIP host?
He says he's by and people were kind of mean to him about that,
right? But he's just like, well, if I
like what I like and I just don't know, isn't it remarkable?
Or it's like a, my come to his defense of it.
Did you say, hey, I was in a relationship with a girl.
It's not a big deal a judgment. If people pass judgment on you
during that time, oh my God. Why are people so goddamn angry?
About the first one was like that came out about.
Yeah, really. But why am I for my age?
Why would you want to be angry about that?
You know what I mean? That's the part.
I don't get weird. It's vicious.
I don't think that's true. That there are always more,
friend know, if a relationship is born out of the friendship.
I think that's beautiful. Yes, I don't think that was the
case here. I know, I know, I don't think so
either her, screaming outside her house, being like your
girlfriend. That's not a friend and on
Brenda Okay, I actually have this also doesn't really pertain
to the relationship. I just want to share this with
you. This is from August 4th 2020 in
Sam posted this on her Instagram and she said I know the social
media prefers. I know social media prefers a
negative post but that's not me and not my experience with the
Ellen show over 15 years that I've known her and been hired by
her before you start with. But your celebrity, I was hired
by her, which makes me an employee, trust me.
There are plenty of celebrities who hire me and treat me like
shit, not her. She's always been kind and
respectful and cool. Okay, that's all carry on, I
like that. I like people defend people who
are like getting, you know? Yeah, a huge backlash.
Hmm. I mean, don't get me wrong.
I do think Ellen, we've talked about this, I do think she
obviously was mean to her staff of.
Yeah, crazy with that Ellen's. Uh yeah, the guy who just died
twitch which I'm oh yeah, so sad about it.
I literally was a huge fan of his but he People were saying
online, I saw people being like, he knew too much about Ellen,
Larry fucking kid, so he was murdered.
Yeah. Like, are you kidding me?
Food? V to know, because Ellen's,
ex-girlfriend and hatch recently died in the car accident.
I think, people like Ann and hatch died recently.
And then like, also Ellen had a girlfriend who died like 20
years ago in a car accident. Like, everybody died.
I know like, literally everybody dies.
It's sad. But it's true.
I've known to people to die this year.
Like that's one crazy. Like am I Just because Ellen,
her reputation has been ruined. I don't understand why.
That would mean someone would die.
Yeah. Like, they need too much about
Elena and then. Yeah, that's team.
Like, no, that's not the same. It's not the snow.
People thought that Ellen was involved in.
I don't even that's it. Is there any evidence?
And I don't think so. No I would she be involved in
that? No.
It's she was she had temper that.
Yeah, that's not an like in everybody knows that.
Like that's honestly so offensive to I know this
person's family and then like also to Ellen, it's like she's
still a person at the end of the day who's sad to her friend
died, it's crazy. How awful people are crazy with
it, like, let's forgive out, and let's get over it.
I mean, yeah, I'm sure she was very mean to people, but I like
that. Samantha was just being like, I
am going to stay up here. I don't think she should be,
like, cast out of society. No, you know, Thailand is done
way more good than bad for society and I feel like people
need to like, remember that? Yeah.
Apparently this year very
recently, October 20, 22 - that's a mouthful Lindsay,
apparently crashed, a party that Mark Ronson was DJing at but
they didn't speak to each other today.
Samantha lives with her girlfriend and her girlfriends
son, and she still makes music and still DJs.
She actually just because I recently followed her Instagram,
she was like, DJing here in New York, like the And I was like,
well, what if we went? Wow.
Yeah we asked your question. Yeah, excuse me.
How did you guys are here? Yeah, I was wondering if this
would never happen but how insane that we'd actually have
one of these people on our show? I feel like if anyone is to
clearly show these Lindsay, maybe maybe but she she actually
seems very private video. Um later in life Lindsay dated
and was engaged to the Russian businessman Igor Tiber Salve who
may have been the love of her life that she referred to on
Howard Stern. She also is dating the Crown
Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman and she's been seen
wearing a headscarf and holding the Quran says be like
speculation or She's bring to Islam.
But today she's married to this businessman, bad dare show my
us. And she's been living in Dubai
in Greece, in recent years and there has been times where it
seems like her acts ahead change.
Yeah I was almost speaking as if she didn't know English sir, I
don't know. But she said it was because
she's learning so many languages, including Arabic,
Italian, Turkish, and that she knows French.
So I don't she's had this like reality show and she like opened
a club and I think that closed but yeah now she seems like
she's trying to get back into acting and I feel like there's a
new era for her. Yeah.
I feel like she's doing. Okay.
Yeah. I want I want the best for her
me too. Yeah.
It's very interesting. This holds You by thing.
Yeah. So far away.
I know I'm good. I really she needs to be.
Yeah. Away from my life.
Yeah, she got away and I read that she is treated like really
well. Yeah.
It seems like in Dubai, she's like a huge star.
They're super proud to have her there and she's treated like
royalty there. Apparently.
So maybe that's why she enjoys living there.
And also I guess they don't have Paparazzi in Dubai.
It's like a legal so. Oh that's so nice.
Good for her. I feel like today Lindsay.
I don't know. It seems like she just has like
this deeper like husky voice and she sounds like this cool kind
of I mean she's older now just like this cool lady who has like
a crazy past and like Nash doesn't care.
Yeah, I yeah. She's really lucky that.
Like nothing worse ever happen. I know.
She's so lucky. Especially was like nowadays.
Like I feel like people can't party the way they used to act
like especially the fentanyl thing like it's scary.
It's so dangerous yet guys. Be careful out there.
Don't get inspired by his episode.
Yeah this is a cautionary tale. Yeah because I mean really her
career did kind of go off the rails and off.
Yeah. The deep end.
Yeah, no. Yeah.
As to like rebuild it and yeah, and I feel like she'll never
really be the same. I know it's sad.
I do feel like, I mean this is speculating but I do think Sam
was trying to be there for her and it seems like she did have
problems too. You like to drink too much too
but I feel like when you're that far gone like you kind of can't
be in a relationship like the person is either an enabler or
it's toxic and that they're like fighting with you all the time.
That's true. Like no normal person can really
intervene enough to like I feel like I'm crying my voice to
really help you Mel is on the verge of tears.
Well, that is really all Samantha in Lindsay, Lindsay,
and Samantha likelihood that they'll go back together well
now, Lindsay's married. She is yeah, did I say that?
Yeah, sorry, I didn't know, she's married.
I actually got married. Yeah, I guess I glossed over
that she is married. Realize that but Smith is the
only woman who's ever been attracted to.
I don't want Smith is with someone now to, I don't think
they'll get back. I know I would say gun to my
head. You know.
One of these 015 I think there's nothing is impossible.
Yeah. And we see that zero for
somebody who was it. It was like a living couple of.
Was it Taylor and John, maybe he was just like a friendly
sidekick in this episode their insides.
Yeah, so that's Lindsay and Sam. I know it's so funny.
How people are like different areas depending on like the
prospective? Yeah.
I wonder if we'll see them again in another episode.
Who knows? Yeah, probably.
Hmm. Our next episode is a complete
180, probably couldn't be more different.
It's going to be a bonus episode.
It's about a fling, but with a famous British author from
hundreds of years ago, I love it at the Historical Society.
Our historic, we've been saying that it's like in our
description but we hadn't really done it yet.
Yeah. So it's very, very, very
different from This episode cool.
But I think if you guys like, you know, reading between the
lines and things if you enjoy, like the Taylor Swift episode,
where you kind of like, read the lyrics and speculate, I think
you will like this one. Yeah, I like those analysis.
Mm-hmm. So now that the episodes over
we're gonna reflect on 2022. Yes.
We had what 18 episodes are fun, very fun.
We started the podcast and August We're just getting
started. What was the most surprising
couple to you so far. Good question, um-hmm.
I didn't expect to really like Charles and Camilla.
What about, how would you answer that question?
I would say, I was most surprised, I think by Nick and
Miley Cyrus. Yeah.
Yeah, I really didn't think it would be.
I don't know that interesting. I was like doubtful because it
was so young. I was like okay what is this
going to be? But it was actually so cute.
Yeah that one I didn't expect the time line was so long to I
feel like that's the one that is most likely to get back
together. Yeah, I know we'll see.
Who else? I feel like there was like a lot
of Revelations that shocked me. Zach.
And Vanessa, I was surprised by how involved, Ashley Tisdale was
that was surprising. The Taylor Swift ones.
I never knew all the details that you found out and
especially like the John Mayer one.
I mean, that was denied blowing, see that?
He was just on that podcast? Call her daddy.
Oh, I heard of yeah he didn't really talk about.
He didn't talk about Taylor Swift though, but he did say
they're going to say he didn't talk about our book.
But he did say, like, he was, like, I get so annoyed of people
get. So obsessed with people thinking
these songs are about people because like music.
Alright? One line about someone and then
one line about someone else. And then like everybody just
like takes that interesting, what would you say was your
favorite episode that I led? And also that for you to move
that you led. I need to look at the list, you
know, I had to list up. Oh, I know.
I know, I know. Let me see.
My favorite that. You do word.
Is just want to make sure I'm looking at all of them.
None of them Charles and Camilla, but very close to that
would be Olivia and Jason really, wow, that was funny.
What would you say is your favorite of mine?
I would definitely say. James Taylor and Carly Simon.
I love you. That one was fun.
I really stuck with me. Yeah, yeah.
I didn't think of the second place one.
But maybe looks like he should we like, call like a listener
and see what like their favorite would be.
Maybe, maybe a girl ready. But can you bring okay?
We have a listener on the line. What is your name?
And where are you from? My name is Kayla.
From Western New York. Oh wow, wow, okay.
And how long have you been a listener of the podcast since
day one? So.
Oh, okay. Okay.
And now what was your favorite episode of 2022?
So far, my favorite episode 20, 22.
So many but weirdly I'd have Say the Jason and Olivia episode.
It's really yeah, I know my God speculative and like the most
like pop culture and usually think they're all pop culture.
I didn't expect to like it as much because it's so like
current and you know but it had me on the edge of my seat.
Really my car seat because I was listening to it while I was in
the car on a long drive but there's so much about It that
just completely shocked me. I knew none of the story prior
besides, you know, you know, I knew that they were together.
I didn't know for how long and knew about the hairstyle stuff
by the. Yeah.
Anything about them being married before and just the
whole timeline of events and it was just a big surprise me and I
just there being so much, I really liked thank you for that
nice to hear because it's me Kelly.
Um, that was actually, I think my least favorite episode that,
I almost or like LED. Yeah.
Is interesting. What was your as a listener?
What was your least favorite episode?
I'm gonna. Sorry you can say one that I did
one that Kelly did, okay. For some reason, the only one
that's coming to mind and I don't know why.
I think it's the Blake Lively and pain back pain, Badgley, I
don't know, I'm just wasn't really invested in them as a
couple and they didn't have much.
Yeah. About them as a couple.
I think that is what people have to tell themselves when they're
going through. A messy breakup is, you know,
this is hard. But it's a more interesting
story. That's true.
You know, you don't want to have a an amicable breakup and then
it's boring. No one's going to care about it.
That's true. Also, it's kind of like what you
guys always say like that was a big relationship for the both of
them and now they've gone on And have like bigger relations.
Yeah. Exactly.
You know. So it's really matters a lot and
you know it's true. Yeah I think my least favorite
episode that I personally did was either cared to Levine
Ashley Benson because also not much drama and Vanessa crazy
dogs. There's some crazy things that
no Kara did. Yeah.
It's like I feel like early on. I did a lot more of like the
little details in people's relationships like they were
spotted here. It's about it.
They're like that. Only really.
Works like if you don't know that they were really dating
like BJ & Mindy. Yeah.
Don't you mean which? I think?
I really like BJ & Mindy. But I almost feel like people
think of us as a BJ. My God.
Yeah, because it's like, our first episode and the most
popular Listen to, I've kind of grown to not like the Mindy and
BJ episode. Okay, I like it.
I like it. I like it.
Thank you, it's because I like it.
Well, Mindy keeps writing in her shows like Mindy and BJ
storyline. And if they are kind of
following what it's like in real life, I don't know what just,
yeah, I don't support it or like it and that's something on the
episode. It's just, I don't really it's
tainted. The couple BJ & Mindy together.
Okay, Yeah, you've seen too much of it.
Yeah, I've seen too much. I want to see.
I want like, for my hopes for 2023 with that couple that like
we just throw a wrench in it and like, and like Vince, like, I
don't know, like Mindy starts like a serious really would
Jason Sudeikis. Oh, that's crazy.
Perfect. We can cover them.
Yes, Mindy and Jason Sudeikis, and BJ is off on The Silo.
What I know, I know I need someone different because B of
True book. Yeah, I'm tired of because I
used to watch The Mindy Project and I watched never have I ever
and Halen sexual. It's a college girls and they
all have the same relationship. Yeah.
And it just getting tiring. So yeah.
Mindy pick someone other than the yeah.
I know back type character but for someone who isn't as exposed
to it all as you maybe I think that appealed is yeah, yeah.
So New Year who your any couples listener that you would like us
to cover? Over in the new year.
Um, well, mmm as someone who is a big history buff, I am at some
point looking forward to, I don't know.
Like a more historical type couple.
Mmm. Yes, might not, you might like
our next episode. Yeah.
Maybe you know what? Because of that we're going to
invite you to be a guest on. Our next episodes Doric episode
really? Yeah yes for saying that I'll be
there actually it's excited. I know a lot of people have
suggested episodes and I'm excited to do some of the ones
that people have suggested me to there's some of them want some
of them like to cover them. Yeah.
We're listening but I think one piece of feedback or one thing
that someone said was you know it's like there was a lot a
depressing love stories that we've covered so far in a lot of
them the men they don't want that good.
Yeah. So I do want a love story where
I feel like I have a restored. Faith in love my friend.
Brittany she listens to the podcast.
Hi Brittany. You're so funny.
She's cracking me up because we were talking about how all the
men are. Are so bad and then she went
well except for Penn Badgley, he didn't.
Yeah, we're John Mayer. Me.
Yeah. Oh James Taylor wasn't that
good? John Lennon yeah is that okay?
Yeah a lot of females here tonight.
Yeah this has been great for the guys.
It's a reflection of, you know life it's a mirror to yeah, Dave
Coulier oh yeah. I mean, my guilty pleasure.
But yeah, he is not great. Justin Timberlake, even Tom
Brady. Oh yeah, I do think.
Okay, as for guys, that are okay, I would say Penn Badgley
Nick Jonas, Jonas. Yeah, wouldn't really do um,
Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah.
Brad Pitt was good in that episode actually toy for a boat
that. Yeah, he was fine until I looked
at it. Oh, Drake, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm not gonna say, Drake is like, amazing.
He, he just came off as like a sad boy and episode.
Well, you know, we really wish you guys the best in 2023, and
we hope that we can have a lot of fun together.
Let's make it the best Year everyone.
Yeah, big things. Big things are coming.
All your wishes are good country.
Okay, thanks for listening together.
Next week. Bye.