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Are you lonesome tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
Does your man? 

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Hi, welcome back guys. 
Welcome, significant, lovers. 

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Significant. 
Lovers. 

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We are two cousins. 
My name is Mel. 

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And I'm Kel. 
And we are continuing our saga 

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that Kelly had started a couple 
weeks ago. 

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Yes, we are. 
We are picking back up. 

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I hope you guys are still 
interested, but you know this 

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chapter is very different from 
the other one I would say. 

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We started with Debbie Reynolds 
and Eddie Fisher and we moved on

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to Eddie Fisher and Elizabeth 
Taylor, and now we are moving on

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to Elizabeth Taylor and Richard 
Burton. 

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Married twice. 
Yes, they were called many times

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by the press the marriage of the
century, 20th century. 

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And yeah, their claim to fame is
that they were married twice. 

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Why did that happen? 
Did they end up together? 

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No. 
But it's a really crazy story. 

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I've been like in so deep in 
this, in the research recently. 

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It's I'm like losing my mind, 
but it's really fun. 

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So I hope you guys enjoy it and 
I wrote down this quote that 

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Elizabeth Taylor said once she 
said in her biography. 

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Since I was a little girl, I 
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destiny. 
And if that is true, Richard 

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Burton was surely my fate just 
to set the set the tone for the 

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episode. 
Interesting. 

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I wonder if she kept believing 
that. 

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You know what I kind of think 
she did? 

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Well, to marry someone twice, 
how many people can say that 

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they've done that? 
That's pretty interesting. 

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I mean, I also got divorced 
twice, so can we skip ahead to 

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the poll that you ask people, 
'cause I think it's a really 

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interesting topic. 
Yeah, so this isn't the first 

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time we've covered a couple, 
like broke up and got back 

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together many times. 
And thinking John Mayer and Katy

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Perry, they broke up and got 
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Who else? 
There's Brenda's. 

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Song and Trey Cyrus broke up 
and. 

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Back together a lot. 
Yeah, I know there's been more. 

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I asked our patrons a poll. 
I said breaking up and getting 

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back together. 
How many times is too many? 

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And I only asked this like 2 
hours ago, but a bunch of you 

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have already answered. 
And so 30% of you said once. 

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Once we're over, it's over. 52% 
said 2 to 3 *, 13% said three to

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five times, and 4% said however 
many times it takes. 

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Life is complicated, yes. 
And Muna commented, I would 

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almost say two times should be 
its own category. 

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After two times we done. 
I say at least two times because

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sometimes you can break up due 
to timing, like moving away from

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a city, but you meet up again 
later in life and still have 

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chemistry. 
But even then, if it doesn't 

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work out a second time, not 
meant to be. 

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Yeah, I do think that life is 
complicated. 

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Like it's What are the reasons 
for the breakup, like, Muna 

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said. 
So would you be, would you say? 

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The last choice, No. 
There's no number. 

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No. 
I think at a certain point 

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maybe, maybe 3 breakups is too 
many breakups. 

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I mean, honestly though, really,
most couples I know, not 

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everybody. 
There are some exceptions. 

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Most couples I know, once they 
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get back together, whatever the 
cause for that breakup was, 

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unless it was something like 
distance or college or 

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something. 
Yeah, when they get back 

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together, I feel like it often 
doesn't last. 

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I agree. 
I agree it it does seem that 

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way. 
It is also just a lot to go 

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through having many breakups. 
It's very hard. 

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And Luna, I appreciate you 
saying that because I once had a

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a relationship where we broke up
twice and then I really was 

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overthinking it afterward if I 
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shot. 
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like to think OK it's over. 
You know, like you're rebuilding

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yourself esteem. 
You're like you're really trying

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to think, OK, this is my life 
now, I'm single, you know, 

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you're like restructuring your 
whole viewpoint and then for you

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to get back together it it's so 
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coaster and it's just it's 
really hard. 

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I think the couples that break 
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that's just a lot to put your 
heart through. 

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already broken up many times, 
there's not as much keeping you 

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together anymore because they're
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it before and then it maybe 
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permanent too. 
So the idea of saying I'm 

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breaking up with you doesn't 
hold the same weight that it did

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in the beginning, so you're more
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back together and do it again 
and it becomes a cycle. 

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Also, I feel like it creates a 
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Whoever did the breaking up, if 
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broken up with, they're always 
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Maybe like they're walking on 
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together. 
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one that did end the 
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seen like they're in the dog. 
I was like, they're in trouble 

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or something. 
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You cause problems or I don't 
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I think it's it's tough. 
I really admire the people. 

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That said once once we're over, 
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I don't know if I'd necessarily 
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kind of person unless something 
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I do really admire those people.
Because also, I feel like in the

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beginning of a breakup, all you 
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crawling back and be like, I'm 
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But now at this age, I do want 
to be like, if you're willing to

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lose me, like that's it. 
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really high. 
Good, but good. 

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Good. 
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I feel like that does require 
some confidence. 

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I think a lot of couples get 
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they get out into the dating 
scene and they realize like, oh 

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shit, this is not, not what I 
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And they get really lonely. 
So then they just come crawling 

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back for the wrong reasons 
because they just want something

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that's familiar to them, like 
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Valentine's Day, they want a 
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easier for them to hit up their 
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from Ground Zero. 
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I don't think that really works 
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Well, we'll see that in this 
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They were together for 13 years,
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Yes and yes, married twice. 
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I feel like we almost as modern 
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comprehend how famous they were.
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were the couple we just 
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of Windsor, Edward and Wallace. 
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they were on their same level 
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the public. 
Oh wow, Scandalous. 

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Yeah, they they're a couple 
friends with them. 

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Wait, so were Liz and Dick 
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They were. 
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And as we discussed in the Eddie
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episode, we'll have a little bit
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you guys in if you didn't hear 
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Liz and Dick, Richard and 
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they were in Italy. 
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So it's just like they're 
claimed to fame. 

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Yeah. 
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in three words, I would say 
fiery. 

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We've heard that before. 
Destructive and jewels. 

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Jewels, OK or bejeweled? 
Bejeweled. 

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Yep, I just had to put it there.
And yeah, a a big source I used 

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for this was the book Furious 
Love by Sam Kashner and Nancy 

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Schoenberger. 
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online sources and videos and 
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But it was a really great book. 
So if you're at all interested 

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in this couple, I really 
recommend it. 

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I intended to just kind of like 
skim it and look for things, but

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I really got sucked in and read 
the whole thing. 

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So it was great. 
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little bit of a summary on 
Elizabeth Taylor, just in case 

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someone didn't hear it last 
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But she is an actress, of 
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They're both actors. 
She was born in England, 2 

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American parents. 
She was a child star and then 

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later went on to have adult 
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You know, you can kind of think 
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star to say like people grew up 
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She was very talented and 
beautiful. 

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She started to become a little 
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in her early 20s and was seen as
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transitioned to adult roles. 
She famously had eight 

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marriages, 7 husbands. 
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was married to the hotel heir 
Conrad Nikki Hilton in 1950. 

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Michael Wilding in 1952, and 

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then the producer Mike Todd in 
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plane crash. 
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Eddie Fisher, as we've been 
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married to her best friend 
Debbie Reynolds, that whole 

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thing. 
She did have a lot of health 

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issues. 
She. 

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Yeah, she did have a lot of 
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I feel bad in the last episode. 
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overdramatic about things. 
I think maybe both can be true 

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at the same time, if that makes 
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But she did, she did have 
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I mean she, I think when she was
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she was young, which was about a
girl that rides horses, she fell

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off a horse and she had back 
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she had a lot of ovarian cysts, 
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pneumonia and was in a coma. 
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lot of health issues throughout 
her life and she was a very 

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successful actress. 
She won the Academy Award for 

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Best Actress in Butterfield 8, 
and that's before Richard 

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Burton. 
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pretty, like quite a party girl.
She drank a lot. 

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She didn't really take good care
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She didn't eat very well, drank 
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I cannot say that enough, but 
she was still very beautiful. 

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OK, so then Richard Burton, who 
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An actor, very esteemed actor. 
He was born November 10th, 1925.

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So he was a Scorpio and she was 
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guys are into that. 
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Was older than her, he. 
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about 8 years older than him. 
So we're getting closer. 

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Yeah, getting closer. 
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He grew up in a very large, 
pretty poor family in Oh my 

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gosh, I forgot to look up how to
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It's a Welsh town. 
Welsh is very hard to pronounce 

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if you don't speak it. 
Pontra Heidefin maybe is how you

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say it. 
It's a hilly small mining town. 

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He had twelve siblings. 
His. 

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Yeah, his father worked in a 
coal mine. 

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Well, yeah, Elizabeth Taylor had
one brother so, and she was 

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pretty wealthy, so they they 
definitely were from different 

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backgrounds. 
His father worked in a coal 

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mine, His mother was a barmaid 
and his father was a very 

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serious alcoholic, like insanely
like drink 12 drinks a day, very

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severe alcohol alcoholic. 
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his mother died. 
Shortly. 

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After giving birth to the 13th 
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Oh my God. 
Childhood. 

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So his dad had to raise 13 kids?
Mm hmm. 

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But it sounds like his oldest 
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him and his brother too, So. 
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All the siblings helped out. 
Richard was a great student, 

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well, at least in English. 
He loved poetry and writing and 

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reading. 
That's his lifelong passion. 

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And his real name is actually 
Richard Jenkins, but he went by 

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Richard Burton. 
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that was his mentor's last name,
so that his schoolmaster was 

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Philip Burton and he saw a lot 
of potential in Richard and 

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wanted to help him. 
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him go to school to become an 
actor. 

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And Richard became Philip 
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his last name to Richard Burton.
Oh wow. 

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So we like kind of almost like 
adopted him. 

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Yeah, he's very strange. 
And Richard's dad accepted it 

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and was OK with it. 
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seems like Richard always felt 
kind of guilty about leaving his

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father and changing his last 
name. 

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And then also later in life like
leaving Wales. 

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It seems like he always felt a 
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that, like he turned his back on
where he was from, you know? 

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But he was very proud to be 
Welsh. 

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He was known for being very 
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also self-conscious of the 
pockmarks on his face like acne 

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scars. 
So that's like his one flaw. 

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He had a deep love of poetry, 
Shakespeare, Wales and liquor, 

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and was known for having a very 
deep voice. 

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And he was more of a stage actor
in his 20s. 

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He was known for acting in 
Shakespeare plays throughout the

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1950s, and then he transitioned 
into the movies, and he's also 

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notably a ladies man. 
But interestingly, I read that 

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he said that he tried 
homosexuality but it didn't 

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take. 
Oh, that's really brave of him 

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at that time, to be open about 
that. 

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I know it is really brave. 
Didn't take. 

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Yeah, didn't stick. 
Yeah, he's a very serious actor.

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Like he was known for knowing 
all of his lines and even his 

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Co, Co stars lines on the first 
day. 

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He just took it very seriously 
when he met Elizabeth Taylor. 

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I mentioned this in the last 
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Welsh woman named Sybil 
Williams. 

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Well, Sybil Burton, because they
were married, who was also Welsh

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and had been a stage actress, 
but she retired from the stage 

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once they married and they had 
two doctor. 

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Two doctors they might have. 
They had two daughters, Kate and

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Jessica, and Jessica had severe 
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which is very hard I think, for 
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Richard was, as I said last 
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unfaithful too. 
Poor Sybil, but he would always 

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come back to her. 
As she said, Richard was already

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drinking very heavily when he 
met Elizabeth, so it wasn't a 

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new thing when they started 
getting together. 

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But he also always felt on top 
of the shame of leaving Wales 

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and leaving his family, he 
always felt kind of ashamed 

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about being an actor. 
He thought it wasn't a very 

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noble pursuit and wanted to be a
writer. 

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But I mean, he just kept doing 
it. 

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Yeah. 
So I don't know, but Richard and

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Elizabeth, Elizabeth Taylor and 
Richard, Liz and Dick, How did 

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they meet? 
OK, as I said, they met on the 

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set of Cleopatra that they both 
starred in, but they had 

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actually encountered each other 
briefly before that in 1953. 

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So almost 10 years earlier, they
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and Elizabeth apparently 
disliked him. 

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She thought he seemed full of 
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much. 
And he had apparently laughed 

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out loud the first time he saw 
Elizabeth, just because of how 

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ridiculously beautiful she was. 
But I don't think they really 

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talked that much or made too 
much of an impression. 

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But yeah. 
Then almost 10 years later, 

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January 22nd, 1962, they met 
again on the set of Cleopatra. 

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But they're both married. 
Mm hmm. 

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Apparently there was a lot of 
Hemming and hawing before they 

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actually spoke to each other on 
set. 

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And then Richard said, has 
anybody ever told you you're a 

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very pretty girl? 
And I think he was kind of 

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joking, but she thought it was a
lame first line to say and was 

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not impressed. 
Yeah. 

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I feel like that kind of sets 
you up because I guess, I mean, 

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I guess you could say thank you.
But then what if you're like, 

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yeah, people have like, then you
sound kind of conceited like 

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some people, I guess. 
Yeah, she was so confident. 

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I'm sure she had some clever 
response to that, but I know 

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it's a it's a weird thing to 
first say to some somebody, but 

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as they started acting together,
they had a lot of chemistry and 

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attraction to each other. 
And during a kissing scene in 

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Cleopatra, they apparently 
kissed longer with each take. 

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And yes, the director, Joseph 
Mankiewicz shouted, would you 

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two mind if I say cut? 
And then said, does it interest 

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you that it's time for lunch so 
they would just keep making out?

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Oh my God, Can you imagine that?
Like you, you're married, but 

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you have feelings for somebody. 
But your job, it it forces you 

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to kiss that person. 
Feel like in a way I could never

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be an actor, because then it's 
like, me neither. 

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You're just tempting what your 
body already feels or what you 

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should be suppressing. 
And how can you then, if you're 

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kissing on screen like, then 
forget about it. 

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I know. 
I feel like actors always try to

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act like that doesn't happen or 
it doesn't matter. 

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Or they're like, oh, it's not 
romantic, 'cause there's all 

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these guys on set and you. 
Know, they're always like, did 

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you see that interview with 
Zendaya where someone said, you 

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know, is it weird for you and 
Timothy to kiss? 

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And she was, I think it's our 
job. 

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So it's not weird. 
Yeah, OK. 

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But like. 
Most of us don't have a job 

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where we have to kiss our Co 
worker so. 

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Clearly it happens because it's 
happening now with the Liz and 

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Dick. 
Elizabeth ended up dragging her 

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director's chair next to Richard
and it stayed there throughout 

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the rest of the shoot. 
OK, yeah, so they're getting 

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really close. 
I'm sure Eddie Fisher was having

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a meltdown. 
And then yeah, they pretty much 

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embarked on a full on affair 
that the public soon knew about 

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'cause there were pictures of 
them together, kind of like RTJ 

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and Amy episode. 
You know, like people couldn't 

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get enough of it. 
They were just countless 

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magazine and news newspaper 
stories written about them, and 

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Vatican even published a letter 
denouncing them because they 

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were just flagrantly, like out 
in the open, having an affair. 

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Oh my God. 
Wait. 

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A Congresswoman in Georgia 
called on Congress to make Miss 

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Taylor and Mr. Burton ineligible
for re entry to the United 

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States on the grounds of 
undesirability. 

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Wait, so how did people like 
paparazzi? 

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Is how people knew about it. 
OK. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

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And then I think it was just 
becoming obvious and people were

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just telling the press and but 
yeah it was it was captured by. 

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Paparazzi. 
Well, I mean, I can understand 

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why people are annoyed with 
them. 

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I I think it it's going a little
too far for the Vatican to be 

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commenting in Congress, but. 
The fact that they are shameless

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about it and they don't seem to 
feel guilty. 

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Like at least have some decency 
do it buying closed doors. 

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But if you don't even feel 
ashamed, geez. 

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I mean, what precedent does that
set for people so? 

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And at this point, people were 
already annoyed with Elizabeth 

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Taylor for the Debbie Reynolds 
thing. 

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And then this happened just 
like, Oh my God, what is 

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happening to this country? 
I think people, I think people 

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were really panicking, not just 
because of what these two 

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individuals were doing, but they
thought it was like a reflection

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of, you know, morals going down 
the toilet, like, you know, the 

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country changing. 
I think it was almost like a 

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panic. 
Movies at the time were becoming

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more scandalous. 
I think it was just a. 

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Oh yeah, that makes sense. 
Time for people? 

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We've talked about this gossip 
being representative of 

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society's values and morals, and
so for any episode we do, I feel

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like there are people who are 
like, mind your business, that's

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their personal lives at the end 
of the day. 

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Like, we are social creatures. 
And the reason we talk about 

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these people's people is 'cause 
it's like a warning to other 

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people of what is socially 
acceptable in society. 

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So if two people are very openly
having an affair and people 

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aren't commenting on it, then 
it's almost like, wait, is that 

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OK to do? 
I feel like it creates a sense 

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of panic, like you said, with 
like our morals just going down 

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the toilet. 
So people feel compelled to be 

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like, no, this is wrong. 
I want to say it's wrong because

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I don't want my husband doing 
the same thing like I don't. 

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Know people are nervous. 
Like, is this going to happen to

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me? 
Yeah, exactly. 

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It's it comes comes from an 
empathetic place, really. 

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It does. 
It does. 

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But it was getting out of hand, 
actually. 

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The Cleopatra director had 
received bomb threats. 

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OK, that's too much. 
And put detectives in the movie 

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as extras to make sure 
everything was OK. 

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Damn, yeah, it was getting 
crazy. 

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And as I mentioned in the last 
time we discussed Elizabeth 

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Taylor, she would go back to 
Eddie, was kind of back and 

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forth, but eventually she 
decided she wanted to be with 

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Richard. 
She didn't care about Eddie 

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anymore. 
Richard was her future. 

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Richard wasn't sure. 
He was always afraid to leave 

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his wife, Sybil. 
He felt really terrible about 

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it. 
He seemed more anguished about 

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it based on the biographies of 
Red and his daughter. 

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Jessica was facing possibly 
lifelong institution at the time

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for her disabilities. 
Oh gosh. 

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As I said last time, Sybil also 
attempted suicide his wife, so 

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it was just a really bad time. 
And Elizabeth wrote in her 

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biography. 
She said, I loved Richard so 

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much that for the first time it 
was an unselfish love. 

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I didn't want to marry Richard 
because I didn't want him to be 

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unhappy. 
I didn't want Sybil to be 

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unhappy. 
I would have been perfectly 

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content to just talk to him on 
the phone every once in a while.

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Oh my God, if I was civil, I 
would still not be OK with that 

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and. 
I mean, yeah, she's trying to 

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say that she would be with him 
in any way, like they didn't 

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have to be together together. 
But that's not really true 

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because your affair did resume. 
I don't trust her. 

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I don't. 
Trust her at all. 

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I think she's just saying that 
because she wants to feel better

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about herself, right? 
Yeah. 

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I think, to be honest, sorry, 
what? 

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I think someone like her doesn't
know what selfish or 

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selflessness is. 
I know, I agree. 

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But yeah, they they had called 
off their affair briefly, but it

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resumed again because they 
started another movie together. 

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Oh my God, of course called. 
The VIPs. 

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And no, I meant to like, look up
how some of these Welsh names 

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are pronounced and I didn't. 
That's good. 

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Wait. 
I feel like it could be fun to 

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just like, guess. 
And then if if you're Welsh, 

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you're like, Oh no, it's going 
to. 

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Go on. 
It's going to go on Google 

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Translate. 
Oh, Efar. 

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OK, that feels kind of weird for
me to say. 

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Richard had a brother, Efar, who
he admired the most, basically 

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his favorite brother. 
He really looked up to him. 

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And Efar, Efar. 
Sometimes it feels kind of weird

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when you're speaking, you know 
English to say a word in 

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another. 
Accent I know. 

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It just feels phony. 
But anyway, his brother E4 was 

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furious when Richard was putting
Sybil through this public 

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affair, and him and his brother 
found themselves in a screaming 

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match one day, shouting through 
the mail slot of the house, and 

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his whole family disapproved of 
what he's doing. 

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I mean, they were really serious
Welsh Baptists as well, and they

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did not believe in divorce and 
they were totally on Sybil's 

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side. 
And we're just really, really 

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mad at Richard about this. 
So he started drinking even more

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every day and people were 
getting worried about him. 

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And there was this one story. 
So he is still with Sybil, but 

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he is seeing Elizabeth Taylor. 
One day, Richard and Sybil were 

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at this intimate dinner party 
with another couple, I think it 

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was just the four of them. 
And they're at the couple's 

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house. 
And during dinner, Elizabeth 

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kept calling their house to talk
to Richard. 

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And he was just really 
distressing for Sybil. 

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Wait the the. 
Party is taking place at their 

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house. 
Richard And it wasn't at 

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Richard's house, it was at the 
other couple's house. 

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Oh, but so, Elizabeth. 
Somehow got the number and was 

455
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,840
calling. 
There. 

456
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,080
Oh, that's creepy. 
I know. 

457
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,000
She's not like, OK, yeah, you 
want to talk to him on the phone

458
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,880
every now and then? 
How about not when he's at a 

459
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,680
party with his wife? 
I know. 

460
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,360
That's not so innocent. 
Eventually Richard did decide to

461
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:53,080
divorce Sybil to marry 
Elizabeth, but it it took a lot 

462
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,960
of trial and error starts and 
stops. 

463
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,360
When he first went to London to 
ask Sybil for a divorce, he 

464
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:02,120
broke down. 
He couldn't do it. 

465
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,240
And it seems like when he was 
with Sybil he did want to be 

466
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,440
with her. 
But then when he was with 

467
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,480
Elizabeth, he wanted to be with 
Elizabeth, but Richard and 

468
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Sybil. 
Sybil did finally divorce 

469
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,320
December 5th 1963 on the grounds
of abandonment and cruel and 

470
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,600
inhumane treatment. 
Oh God, I know. 

471
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,320
And Richard wouldn't see his 
daughters for two years after 

472
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,080
that, and Sybil actually didn't 
speak to him ever again. 

473
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,240
Wow, Good for her. 
It's crazy. 

474
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Never. 
So how did he get to even see 

475
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,960
his daughters? 
Like I know I was 1/3. 

476
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,960
Party. 
There must have been. 

477
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,600
Wow, I still don't understand 
how she pulled that off. 

478
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,840
Oh my God. 
I mean, that's really painful. 

479
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,720
It's almost like he he died in 
her perspective. 

480
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,120
Oh, and by the way, her 
Elizabeth Taylor and Eddie 

481
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,320
Fisher haven't been officially 
divorced yet. 

482
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,280
Oh my God. 
Because Eddie Fisher was 

483
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,480
dragging his feet on divorce 
papers, but it was finalized 

484
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,440
March 1964. 
It's crazy that everything with 

485
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,120
Eddie, all that was only like 4 
years ago. 

486
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,520
Yeah. 
I just can't believe how much 

487
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,480
has happened. 
Way too much. 

488
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,240
So 10 days after divorce was 
finalized with Eddie Fisher, 

489
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,920
Elizabeth and Richard flew to 
Montreal, where they were 

490
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,040
married in a private ceremony. 
Elizabeth wore a $150,000 

491
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,840
emerald and diamond necklace 
that Richard had given her with 

492
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,240
matching earrings. 
It was Richard's second marriage

493
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,440
and Elizabeth the 5th. 
Oh my gosh. 

494
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,360
And the next day, Richard 
resumed his role in Hamlet on 

495
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,880
stage in Toronto, because he 
was, yeah, performing in Hamlet 

496
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,920
at the time. 
And apparently he was at this 

497
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,120
Toronto show that the term Dick 
and Liz. 

498
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,600
One word was first used by 
Toronto newspapers to describe 

499
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,360
all the hoopla going on. 
Dick and Les. 

500
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Dick and Les. 
Dick and Les and after that 

501
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,640
Toronto performance. 
And after his curtain call, 

502
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,200
apparently he held out his hand 
to Elizabeth to join him on 

503
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,000
stage and he called out. 
I say we will have no more 

504
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,400
marriages And the audience 
cheered. 

505
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,480
OK, I mean, Mel's not in 
Friends. 

506
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,120
I mean, I know. 
The end. 

507
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,320
I guess they're, like, relieved.
I was going to say, imagine 

508
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,160
being one of Elizabeth's 
friends. 

509
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840
And you're like, every time you 
catch up with her, it's like 

510
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,480
something completely different. 
Like, oh, my gosh, Liz, I'm so 

511
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,920
sorry your husband died. 
Yeah, I know. 

512
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,280
Next thing you know, she's 
telling you about her new man 

513
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,680
Eddie. 
And, like, wait a minute, wasn't

514
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,160
that your friend Debbie's? 
And then I'm sure she didn't 

515
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,680
really have that many friends 
because people are scared. 

516
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,880
Like, they're like, Oh no, Like,
she might get with my husband 

517
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,960
next. 
But then and then you're hearing

518
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,800
about this Richard guy like it's
way too much. 

519
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,400
It's a lot. 
I just thought this was funny. 

520
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320
It's not so much about their 
relationship with each other, 

521
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800
but I guess it just shows what 
it was like at the time. 

522
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600
So the Hamlet production was on 
tour. 

523
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,000
It was going to different cities
and the next food of Boston. 

524
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,160
And apparently they had the 
worst crowds, mobs, fans 

525
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000
surrounding them ever. 
There was like shouting, clawing

526
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840
at the airport and the hotel 
when they arrived and at one 

527
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360
point Elizabeth was being pulled
in opposite directions at the 

528
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,320
same time by people, and it was 
just insanity, all these crowds 

529
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,960
rushing around them and Richard 
said, I've never seen anything 

530
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,800
like this before. 
It's outrageous. 

531
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,160
We had crowds like this in 
Toronto, but police gave us 

532
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680
adequate protection and 
Elizabeth said. 

533
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,520
I've encountered mobs all over 
the world, but nothing to this 

534
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,840
extent. 
And it's funny, I kept reading 

535
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,320
like even later in life that for
some reason Boston was the 

536
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,080
craziest place. 
Like they got the most 

537
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,760
attention. 
Wow, the craziest fans. 

538
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
And we're from there. 
So it's just funny like. 

539
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,280
Why? 
I know, I wouldn't expect. 

540
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,280
That they literally said that 
again later, like Boston was the

541
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,960
worst. 
That's so funny to me because 

542
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Boston is so Catholic and so 
they're like upset about the 

543
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,680
divorce or something. 
They're like Catholic, but 

544
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,000
they're also like rough around 
the edges and. 

545
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,440
I know, yeah. 
There's people screaming, 

546
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,840
yelling, trying to grab them. 
It's kind of scary. 

547
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Were yelling like with anger or 
like, just 'cause they love? 

548
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Them, I think. 
I think kind of both. 

549
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,560
I think some, I think mostly 
people were so excited to see 

550
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,440
them. 
And then some people might have 

551
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,680
been like, I love you, but some 
people might have been booing 

552
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,280
them a little both. 
And during one of those Hamlet 

553
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,800
performances, a man stood up and
booed Richard, and Richard was 

554
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,720
really thrown off by that. 
He'd never been booed before. 

555
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,120
While performing, and afterward 
he was venting his anger to 

556
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Elizabeth in the hotel room. 
And in anger, he kicked the TV 

557
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,040
screen, slicing his toe, and it 
set off an enormous fight 

558
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,920
between them. 
Slicing his toe. 

559
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Remember, TV's back then were, 
you know, like a glass? 

560
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,840
Yeah. 
Square. 

561
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,160
It wasn't all the TV's we have 
now. 

562
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,320
He basically just stuck his foot
into a window. 

563
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,400
Oh my God. 
And the journalist Richard Stern

564
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,640
recalled visiting the hotel to 
interview Richard a different 

565
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,120
day. 
And when he arrived, they were 

566
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,880
having loudest, he said most 
tremendous fight you ever could 

567
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,080
imagine. 
But he also wrote, I had this 

568
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,280
feeling they really deeply loved
each other. 

569
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,240
I. 
Don't know. 

570
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,600
I mean, like, I feel like 
intensity like that is often 

571
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,160
romanticized. 
It's like sexy that they're like

572
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720
fighting and they have like 
passionate sex and stuff. 

573
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,400
But I think what's the proverb 
like? 

574
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,920
Love is patient. 
Love is kind. 

575
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,720
Like, I don't. 
I think if you really love 

576
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,000
someone you wouldn't be like 
punching things and throwing 

577
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,440
things and like almost in a way 
it's physically threatening, 

578
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,640
even if you're not hitting them 
to be to be violent like that. 

579
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,520
And I don't think that's really 
love. 

580
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,400
In my opinion, they. 
Fought a. 

581
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Lot. 
I think it's selfish. 

582
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,760
I I think it's like love and 
that, like you want them to do 

583
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,960
what you want them to do or 
whatever, and like you want to 

584
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,960
be with them. 
But I don't. 

585
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,480
I don't think it's like love in 
in a way that's selfless, like 

586
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,440
like, she had said earlier. 
I know everything's about 

587
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,440
balance. 
I mean, some fighting is OK, but

588
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,920
when you're yelling and 
screaming, yeah, almost every 

589
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
day like that is. 
I don't think that's good. 

590
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,320
And I I personally don't like 
over the top displays of anger. 

591
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,000
Me neither. 
Oh my God, this. 

592
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,880
Is very childish. 
But I guess some people do like 

593
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,640
that. 
Some people want that I. 

594
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,120
Think Elizabeth kind of loved 
it. 

595
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,920
She thought it was thrilling. 
God, it's toxic though. 

596
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,240
It's very toxic. 
Like just become AI. 

597
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,920
Don't know, like ride a 
motorcycle if you want to throw,

598
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,160
like go rock climbing. 
Like adrenaline. 

599
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Yeah. 
Adrenaline. 

600
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Yeah. 
Go to LA Pouch. 

601
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:46,560
Go Cliff. 
Diving like Twilight to raise 

602
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,640
money for Philip Burton, so 
Richard Burton's mentor somewhat

603
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,400
adopted father to raise money 
for his music and dramatic 

604
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Academy. 
Richard and Elizabeth did a 

605
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,040
poetry reading performance 
together which is pretty cool. 

606
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,280
They just, you know, we're on 
stage and recited poetry. 

607
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,400
And there was a standing ovation
when it was over. 

608
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,160
And they raised a lot of money 
and they got a lot of offers to 

609
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,600
do more poetry readings. 
And afterward, they got 

610
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,800
incredibly drunk, of course. 
Yeah, of course. 

611
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,640
Well, that probably. 
Oh, sorry, I was going to say 

612
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,440
that probably contributed to 
their fights. 

613
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Yes, that's true. 
They went hand in hand. 

614
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,600
Weirdly, Eddie Fisher showed up 
after the performance to their 

615
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,400
hotel and to their hotel room 
and walked in while Richard and 

616
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Elizabeth were in the middle of 
a fight. 

617
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,680
Wait, was Eddie? 
Is he doing there? 

618
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Was Eddie still married to 
Elizabeth at this point? 

619
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,720
No wait he he has no self 
respect like go. 

620
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Home. 
This reminds me. 

621
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,080
This literally happened in the 
Elvis and and Margaret episode, 

622
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,040
though like Elvis just showed 
up. 

623
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Yeah. 
Tell room one time that's. 

624
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,760
Weird. 
Scary. 

625
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Like, what are you doing here? 
OK, in the hotel room? 

626
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,000
Like, not just like it In the 
hotel In the lobby. 

627
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,880
Apparently the room and he, he 
said her makeup, because this 

628
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,160
was in his book. 
Of course. 

629
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,280
Maybe he made it up. 
I don't. 

630
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Know. 
Oh yeah, maybe. 

631
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,240
But why is he? 
That's embarrassing, I know. 

632
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,719
He wrote. 
Her makeup smeared, her voice 

633
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,760
loud and thrill. 
Elizabeth was furious about 

634
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960
something, and I thought I was 
married to that woman, That wild

635
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,199
thing. dot, dot, dot. 
The battle was over and we both 

636
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,159
got what they both got, what 
they wanted. 

637
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,800
Burton, a superstar, and 
Elizabeth had someone else to 

638
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,600
pick up after her. 
And I guess Richard was still 

639
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,280
feeling really guilty about 
Sybil and his daughters. 

640
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,560
And he was sending thousands of 
pounds to his brothers and 

641
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,080
sisters and whales, and he tried
to find jobs for a lot of his 

642
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,280
siblings in the movie business, 
trying to support them the best 

643
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,159
that he could. 
I think, 'cause he felt so 

644
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,960
guilty. 
OK, now we're In 1965, Richard 

645
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,280
began filming the movie The Spy 
Who Came In From the Cold, which

646
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,239
also starred his former Co star 
and former lover Claire Bloom. 

647
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,080
And Elizabeth was not happy 
about that at all. 

648
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,840
They had had so him and this 
Claire Claire Bloom actors had 

649
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,800
had a passionate affair before 
Elizabeth but while he was still

650
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,920
married to Sybil and yeah, she 
was, Elizabeth was extremely 

651
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,880
nervous about this and she made 
a point to always be on set of 

652
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,560
that film. 
And Richard, we're starting to 

653
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,960
have tremors and handshaking 
from all of his drinking. 

654
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Oh. 
Wow. 

655
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Nerve damage. 
How old is he at this point? 

656
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,920
Like in his 40s? 
Oh, he's born in the 20s. 5. 

657
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,840
Yeah, in his 40s, yeah. 
Born in 25? 

658
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,760
Yep, so he's 40. 
So that can happen. 

659
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,600
Though if you are an alcoholic, 
you can destroy your nerves. 

660
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,880
The tension between Elizabeth 
and his ex lover Claire was 

661
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,320
taking a toll. 
And there were stories about 

662
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,440
Elizabeth and Richard having 
shouting matches in restaurants.

663
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,520
Lots of stories of people 
witnessing them having all out 

664
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,280
brawls, fights together, 
slapping. 

665
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,560
It's crazy because this is like 
the hype, you know? 

666
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840
I think what they would remember
is like their honeymoon phase, 

667
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,280
like when they were so happy, 
but there was a lot of fights. 

668
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,640
And then I know it's not normal 
guys. 

669
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120
It's not normal. 
Elizabeth and Richard signed on 

670
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,280
to do another film together. 
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? 

671
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,880
I actually watched this movie 
last night because I felt like I

672
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,000
should see one of their movies 
and in the movie they play a 

673
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,240
marriage that reflected their 
own a lot. 

674
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,120
I could see it. 
They play this couple that 

675
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,080
drinks an insane amount, like 
throughout the whole movie. 

676
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,600
It's one of those movies that 
takes place over the course of 

677
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,640
just one night. 
But they drink. 

678
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,920
They drink non-stop. 
It's insane and they are 

679
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,480
screaming at each other, being 
so mean to each other. 

680
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,520
But then they're like, laugh and
be weird and it it's quite 

681
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,160
bizarre. 
But I could see how that's kind 

682
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,000
of what they were like. 
Like they were. 

683
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,760
Just. 
That's interesting. 

684
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,800
They're very seem like they're 
pretty self aware. 

685
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,240
Yeah, very strange. 
They were really good in it 

686
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,200
though. 
Meanwhile, I thought this was 

687
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,320
pretty cool to read about. 
His ex-wife Sybil actually 

688
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,480
opened the Club Arthur in New 
York City, which became the go 

689
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,360
to spot for well known artists 
like Julie Andrews, Leonard 

690
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,440
Bernstein, Truman Capote, 
Princess Margaret have to keep 

691
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,640
mentioning the new John. 
Mayer comes up all the time. 

692
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:25,000
Our new our new down there. 
And it's a coincidence. 

693
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,600
I heard about this club 
recently. 

694
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,320
It's actually where it's 
believed mixing was first 

695
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,720
invented, like layering 2 
tables, turntables at the same 

696
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,760
time where like one song fades 
into another. 

697
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,320
Oh, that's so wait, shit, she's 
cool. 

698
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,800
Yeah, so like, this is basically
where disco was invented. 

699
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Wow. 
Wait, she's like leveling up 

700
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,120
after this breakup, though? 
Yes, and then she actually 

701
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,440
remarried a rock musician. 
Oh, wow. 

702
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,880
So. 
She's turning her life around. 

703
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Good for her. 
It's pretty cool. 

704
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560
So yeah, who's afraid of 
Virginia Woolf? 

705
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,040
It was a new type of role for 
Elizabeth. 

706
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,240
She had always played this 
really glamorous woman, but even

707
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,960
though she was only 33, she was 
already sort of being outshown 

708
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,600
by younger people. 
I mean, you know, now it's the 

709
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,560
60s. 
Like this is the age of the 

710
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,400
hippie. 
The glamour of the 50s just 

711
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,680
wasn't that appealing to people 
anymore. 

712
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,840
Yeah. 
And in the movie she plays a 

713
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,840
middle-aged woman. 
I think she plays someone like 

714
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,360
considerably older than she 
actually was, and she gained 25 

715
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,160
lbs for the role. 
And in the book I read it said 

716
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,000
women had grown up alongside her
as a child, then teenager, then 

717
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
in her 20s. 
Now here was Elizabeth, suddenly

718
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,840
older, heavier, disappointed, 
disillusioned and drunk. 

719
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,360
Elizabeth herself would later 
observe that the woman that 

720
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,080
identified with her in a way 
that they did not identify with 

721
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,000
that other larger than life 
movie star Marilyn Monroe, 

722
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,200
because Marilyn never went 
through menopause. 

723
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Yeah. 
Oh, that's so interesting. 

724
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,120
Yeah, as I said in the movie 
they go all at it, fighting at 

725
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,480
each other, all out fighting 
with each other. 

726
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,040
People did notice that during 
filming this movie, their 

727
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,080
marriage had never been better, 
Elizabeth said. 

728
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,600
It was very cathartic because we
would get all our shouting and 

729
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,600
bawling out on set and then go 
home and cuddle. 

730
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,120
Oh, like, I can see that. 
I guess maybe, like, couples 

731
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640
should do that if they're having
a really tough time. 

732
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,280
Fights, yeah, where they channel
it, I think. 

733
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,640
I don't know, though, like that 
could lead to real fights. 

734
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920
I would try it. 
Once, yeah. 

735
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,160
However, she did say, even 
though that did sound almost 

736
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,360
like good advice. 
She did say that the movie was 

737
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,000
starting to affect her and the 
way that they spoke to each 

738
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,680
other. 
She said Richard and I would be 

739
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,800
out with friends and I'd hear 
myself say to him, for Christ's 

740
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,520
sake, shut up, I'm not finished 
talking. 

741
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,320
Oh yeah. 
And then the next morning, I 

742
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,520
would think that wasn't me, That
was Martha. 

743
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,120
Your character. 
Oh, that actually does not seem 

744
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,320
good. 
No. 

745
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,320
Like you would develop pretty 
bad habits. 

746
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,680
I know they did treat each other
so horribly in that movie. 

747
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,440
OK then I would just want to 
read to you just a glimpse of 

748
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,480
their life because it describes 
how chaotic their life was, OK? 

749
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,360
It says. 
When the Italian director 

750
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,520
arrived at their hotel in 
Dublin, he found their household

751
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,800
in a not unusual state of near 
chaos. 

752
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,280
Elizabeth had taken in a new pet
a tiny, leaping African primate 

753
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,000
known as a Bush baby. 
God knows where she picked it 

754
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
up, but it was wrecking havoc in
the luxurious suite, ripping up 

755
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,120
cushions and curtains and 
overturning lamps. 

756
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,200
It had retreated to the 
bathroom, clinging to the hot 

757
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,800
water pipes, while Elizabeth 
yelled at Richard to come 

758
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,240
immediately to rescue it. 
But Burton was deep in 

759
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,480
conversation with Zephirelli on 
the proposed Shakespearean 

760
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,360
production. 
Will you please stop talking 

761
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,160
about your damn Shakespeare? 
Give me a hand, Elizabeth 

762
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,720
streaked and nursing a drink, 
yelled. 

763
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,760
Will you please stop this bloody
nonsense with that horrendous 

764
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,960
little monster and come and talk
to this man? 

765
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,160
He's a superb Shakespearean 
director, and you might be lucky

766
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,120
enough to work with him one day.
Can you be more pleasant to him?

767
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,560
I don't care what he thinks of 
me, Elizabeth retorted. 

768
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,680
All I want is some help with my 
Bush baby. 

769
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,880
Oh my God. 
Don't kids too, don't they? 

770
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,000
They both have kids. 
Why are you taking it, baby? 

771
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:10,760
I just looked it up and like, I 
can see some people thinking 

772
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,760
them, they're really cute, but 
they have these really crazy 

773
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,280
eyes, these Bush babies. 
Let me see. 

774
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
They're kind of scary looking 
Bush baby. 

775
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,680
They're. 
Little, yeah. 

776
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:24,600
How small is it? 
It kind of looks like a Furby. 

777
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Oh, it's. 
Kind of cute. 

778
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,880
But yeah, I could. 
It's a bit freaky. 

779
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Too freaky cute where I leave 
off. 

780
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,200
Oh, something I noticed. 
Which you'll see soon, because 

781
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,920
we'll have clips. 
But I noticed that her accent 

782
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,000
when she was younger, was much 
more American, and then it 

783
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,080
became a lot more English, I 
think, as she's been with him. 

784
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,840
Yeah, she was born in England, 
but she mostly lived in America,

785
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,920
and they were insanely wealthy 
at this point. 

786
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,640
And an interesting thing I read 
about them is that they started 

787
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,880
having this habit of thinking 
that people were always giving 

788
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,320
them things. 
Like I read that this actor 

789
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,720
Michael York once showed Richard
his old rare books and for some 

790
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,720
reason Richard assumed they were
gifts. 

791
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,000
And this photographer, David 
Bailey, was showing them a new 

792
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,040
camera. 
And with minute, within minutes,

793
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,320
it belonged to them. 
Oh my God, it's so awkward. 

794
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Elizabeth always expected gifts 
from her directors because 

795
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,440
that's what she experienced when
she was younger, and she let her

796
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,120
Taming of the Shrew Director 
Zeffirelli know about the little

797
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,200
this little shop. 
She wanted something from 

798
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,640
Bulgari, which is insanely 
expensive, and he bought her 

799
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
what she wanted this gold 
bracelet that once belonged to 

800
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,720
Napoleon. 
Sister. 

801
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,560
The Napoleon. 
Oh my God, that actor Michael 

802
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,120
York described them. 
He said they were like gods to 

803
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,280
be showered with offerings. 
They strode the world like too 

804
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,400
Colossi. 
They do seem really entitled. 

805
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,960
Yeah, they do, to say the least.
Actually wrote in my notes for 

806
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,480
us to take a break right now. 
What do you think? 

807
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,160
I'm ready to do like maybe like 
get like go through one more 

808
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,400
year and then take a break. 
OK, OK. 

809
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,480
Well, actually all I have for 
1966 is a clip that I sent to 

810
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,840
you. 
All right, so now it's 1966, 

811
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,120
They are going to be in a Doctor
Faustus. 

812
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,800
And it sounds interesting they 
were caught after leaving 

813
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,040
rehearsal and it just shows them
together. 

814
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,120
And yeah, I sent it to you, Mel.
All right, let me see. 

815
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,440
Richard, how did you go that? 
Was all right you're. 

816
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,560
Happy with the report rehearsal?
Yes, you waited a long time for 

817
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,480
this. 
Has it been worthwhile? 

818
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,440
Well, we haven't done it yet, 
you know. 

819
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,480
Well, you almost do the hardest 
part of it, aren't you? 

820
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,360
Yeah. 
Which way do we go? 

821
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,320
No, tonight will be the hardest.
Elizabeth, your first stage 

822
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,760
player, what's your verdict? 
Oh, good gracious me. 

823
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,080
My verdict. 
Your verdict? 

824
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,000
Of the play. 
Well, I think the play has 

825
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,480
proven itself fairly good over 
several 100 years. 

826
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,480
What's? 
Your verdict of yourself? 

827
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,320
Well, I don't know. 
I have no verdict of myself. 

828
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,480
I was nervous. 
And the audience? 

829
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,920
I didn't fall ashamed or 
anything. 

830
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,000
Did you expect to? 
What did you expect to? 

831
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,200
Well, I expect anything. 
How was your husband off the 

832
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,120
record? 
I thought he was absolutely 

833
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,720
marvelous, but I always do. 
I feel like in that clip you can

834
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,400
definitely see like, she's like 
being bombarded and it's kind of

835
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,600
overwhelming. 
But honestly, like, it seems 

836
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,680
like their relationship to me 
seems pretty pleasant. 

837
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,760
Like she's like, oh, I'm always 
super proud of him. 

838
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,560
It does, yeah. 
She's came off very composed. 

839
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,320
They seem very happy, so maybe 
they were. 

840
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,160
You would never know that 
there's a Bush baby wreaking 

841
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,680
havoc at home. 
No, you wouldn't. 

842
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,600
The next thing I have is another
clip. 

843
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,800
So this is talking about acting 
on stage again. 

844
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,560
And this was a big part of 
Richard Burton's career because 

845
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,360
he had started as a stage actor 
and people can be snobby about 

846
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,320
that and thinking that stage 
acting is more superior to movie

847
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,560
acting. 
And in this, they're in an 

848
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,800
interview together. 
And basically the interviewer 

849
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,760
asks, brings up like, oh, well, 
what happened to you? 

850
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,120
Like you're not taking the stage
very seriously or you left, you 

851
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,200
left the stage and Elizabeth 
defends him. 

852
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,600
And I just think it's funny if 
you he says it kind of quietly, 

853
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,200
but try to listen for because 
she sticks up for him. 

854
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,680
And then Richard says Elizabeth,
pull yourself together and he 

855
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,440
starts like, tapping her on the 
shoulder. 

856
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,800
To stop talking. 
So it's interesting. 

857
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,480
So yeah, that's this clip 
pulling this. 

858
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,880
Up Burton have faced the the 
question of whether you should 

859
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,160
have continued as a an imposing 
and even, in the view of many 

860
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,800
people, great stage actor or 
moved into the world of films, 

861
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,080
which is more commercially 
rewarding but perhaps not so 

862
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,480
rewarding artistically. 
Do you ever regret having moved 

863
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,640
into the commercial cinema? 
Oh, exterior Richard. 

864
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,480
That makes me so angry because 
he has not left the stage. 

865
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,720
That's absolute bloody rubbish. 
Well, last year he just got 

866
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:16,120
through doing a thing here for 
Oxford on the stage. 

867
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,160
The year before that, what was 
he doing on Broadway? 

868
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,280
That was the stage. 
How can you say he's left the 

869
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,800
stage? 
Because that is not a continuous

870
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,760
stage career in the sense that 
for example, Paul Schofield or 

871
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,880
Laurence Olivier. 
He's not continuous either. 

872
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,680
On the stage, he does deal with 
some money and so does Paul 

873
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,280
Schofield that. 
Schofield has made one film in 

874
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,840
10 or 14 years, and Richard was 
at one time after Coriolanus, 

875
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,320
particularly hailed as being 
potentially the greatest stage 

876
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,800
actor that England ever 
produced. 

877
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,720
I wonder whether in a way you're
making of Thousters, which is 

878
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,920
the story of a man who sells out
for a dream almost. 

879
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,520
Is is is that comparable with 
your decision then? 

880
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,920
I don't think so, because. 
It's kind of sweet of Elizabeth.

881
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,760
Like, I find it endearing that 
she's sticking up for him. 

882
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,400
But she is like, very animated 
and riled up about it. 

883
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,280
That is so angry. 
Yeah. 

884
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,160
I guess like that is a conflict 
in relationships, too. 

885
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,120
It's like when your partner 
speaks on your behalf, Like, 

886
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,640
they get upset on your behalf. 
Some people, some people get 

887
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,720
really embarrassed by that 
because they're like, they don't

888
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,520
want confrontation. 
Yeah, that's true. 

889
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:32,200
I mean, it is a rude question. 
So I don't believe her first 

890
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,360
things. 
Makes me so angry. 

891
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,760
I thought it was kind of cute of
her. 

892
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,200
It is cute. 
Even the way he said it was is 

893
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,920
very like soft together. 
He was still a serious stage 

894
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:53,960
actor, but in 1967 alone there 
were 3 Burton Taylor films 

895
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,400
starring both of them, The 
Taming of the Shrew, Doctor 

896
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,320
Faustus and the Comedians, plus 
Elizabeths film Reflection in 

897
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,920
the Golden Eye. 
So you can imagine. 

898
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,000
And it's kind of Burton Taylor 
Overload. 

899
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,920
Oh yeah. 
People might be starting to get 

900
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,120
a little bit sick of them. 
They bought a 10 passenger jet 

901
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,000
named the Elizabeth, and over 
the next decade they would earn 

902
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,280
approximately $88 million, which
would be about 800 million 

903
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,800
today. 
And they spent 3/4 of it on 

904
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,760
furs, diamonds, paintings, 
clothing, travel, food, liquor, 

905
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,920
yacht and jet. 
They were just ridiculously 

906
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,880
wealthy, and I thought this was 
crazy when they would be. 

907
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,400
If they were in Europe, they 
would sometimes have their 

908
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,400
favorite dishes from restaurants
in LA flown to them and vice 

909
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,640
versa, like across the world. 
Oh my. 

910
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,360
Like, they're like getting 
delivery from across the world. 

911
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,520
That is. 
So yeah, I mean, I don't blame 

912
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,040
the people for getting annoyed 
by them. 

913
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Like, they're so entitled. 
You cannot relate to them and 

914
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,600
so. 
Indulgent, too. 

915
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,280
And they were. 
I kept reading. 

916
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,840
They were increasingly drinking 
more, and I don't know how it 

917
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,480
can get more and more. 
I don't get it. 

918
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,400
Yeah. 
And they were filming a movie in

919
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,200
the country. 
Dahomey. 

920
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,960
I hope I said that right. 
It's now been in. 

921
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,160
But they were invited to this 
state dinner that was held in 

922
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,040
their honor with 200 guests, but
they failed to show up because 

923
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,520
they were too drunk. 
Oh my God. 

924
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,560
And sometimes Richard would just
disappear and Elizabeth would 

925
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,960
run around calling his name. 
So it was chaotic. 

926
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,880
It's just inconsiderate. 
Yep, April 1967. 

927
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,760
Both Richard and Elizabeth were 
nominated for Who Was Afraid of 

928
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,360
Virginia Woolf? 
It was Burton's fifth Oscar 

929
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,560
nomination, but he couldn't bear
to attend and lose again because

930
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,440
he's lost four times already. 
So he decided not to go. 

931
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,960
She has won before, I know, And 
she wanted to go. 

932
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,800
And all of her people were 
urging her to attend because she

933
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,560
was seen as the front runner 
that year. 

934
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,240
And then Richard told Elizabeth 
that he had dreamed of her plane

935
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,080
crashing on the way to 
California. 

936
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Oh. 
My and her husband, previous 

937
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,880
husband, had died in a plane 
crash. 

938
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,520
They were in France at the time,
so Elizabeth decided to stay 

939
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,880
with Richard and not go to the 
Academy Award. 

940
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,760
Her official excuse was that 
they were still shooting the 

941
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,520
comedians their movie and that 
they couldn't leave, but it 

942
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,640
wasn't really true. 
Richard did end up losing, but 

943
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,240
Elizabeth did win. 
And she wasn't there. 

944
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,680
That sucks. 
And that's so manipulative of 

945
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,640
him because I feel like he just 
couldn't bear. 

946
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,240
She was a front runner. 
He couldn't bear her winning, 

947
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:41,200
him losing. 
And to say, I mean, maybe it's 

948
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,600
true, but I kind of doubt it, 
that he had a dream that her 

949
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,400
plane crashed. 
Yeah. 

950
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,000
Yeah, to to pull that. 
Like I have a bad feeling about 

951
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,680
this. 
I know. 

952
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Seriously. 
And because she already has 

953
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,760
trauma related to plane crashes,
she's more likely to take that 

954
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,200
seriously. 
I mean, hey, like, we all have 

955
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:01,840
sometimes a bad feeling about 
things. 

956
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,600
You hear those rare stories 
where it's like, and then it 

957
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,960
came true, but most of the time 
it doesn't. 

958
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,600
If you have a dream of like, 
something crazy happens, So it's

959
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,880
too bad. 
Yeah. 

960
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,920
I guess it happens sometimes, 
like we've we've seen people not

961
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,360
be there to accept the reward, 
but it's really disappointing 

962
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,920
when that happens. 
At least she won once before. 

963
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,880
But imagine you're home and then
you hear that you won or you're 

964
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,280
like, oh, I wasn't there. 
Yeah, and you didn't even have 

965
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,480
to be home. 
Yeah, it's annoying. 

966
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,280
I guess maybe you're like, well,
at least I had my life because I

967
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,600
didn't die in the plane crash, 
but. 

968
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,480
She was really awesome in that 
movie, though I I can see why 

969
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,400
she won. 
I was impressed. 1968, you know,

970
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,840
despite all of the fighting, 
they were still really crazy 

971
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,760
about each other. 
The book that I read actually 

972
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,600
had excerpts from Richard's 
diary that he wrote in that 

973
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,200
Elizabeth Taylor actually 
provided for the book, which is 

974
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,040
pretty cool and in the dark. 
Oh no, maybe it wasn't. 

975
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,920
Sorry it wasn't with Taylor that
provided. 

976
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,200
It was his wife. 
His later wife. 

977
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,840
In his diary at the time, 
Richard wrote about Elizabeth 

978
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,960
and said she was looking 
infinitely sexy in the shortest 

979
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,320
miniskirt I've ever seen. 
It barely. 

980
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,120
And when she moved it didn't 
covered her crotch. 

981
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,160
Oh my God, he's still really 
passionate, you know, really 

982
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,080
into her. 
The Burton's decided to buy a 

983
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,640
boat and live at sea rather than
have a permanent home in any 

984
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,280
country. 
They would simply sail to 

985
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,600
wherever they needed to go and 
just dock there. 

986
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,320
And I think it was mostly to 
avoid taxes. 

987
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,800
Their boat was called the 
Charisma, which merged their 

988
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,560
daughters names Kate, Liza and 
Maria's names. 

989
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,200
But makes me kind of sad because
Jessica isn't part of it, which 

990
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,960
is the mentally disabled 
daughter. 

991
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,000
Oh, that's terrible. 
I know. 

992
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,120
What did they call it? 
The charisma. 

993
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,840
Charisma. 
Yeah, charisma. 

994
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,200
And what are the daughters 
names? 

995
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,120
Kate, Liza and Maria. 
Kate So they could have done 

996
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,160
like Collies Merica or 
something, I don't know. 

997
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,880
That could have figured it out. 
That's ridiculous, I know. 

998
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,640
I don't trust them. 
The boat had 7 bedrooms and 

999
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,760
three bathrooms with a crew of 
eight people. 

1000
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,240
Their movie Doctor Faustus 
premiered and had terrible 

1001
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,440
reviews. 
It was a financial 

1002
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,880
disappointment and this is the 
beginning of a stretch of films 

1003
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,200
that they did together. 
Bombing, getting 4 views and the

1004
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,840
public starting to turn on them.
And I thought it was funny. 

1005
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,120
In the book Furious Love, they 
wrote, what the press giveth, 

1006
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,440
the press taketh away. 
Yeah, kind of honestly. 

1007
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,800
Reminds me of Bennifer Ben. 
Affleck, Yes, I'm thinking about

1008
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,000
that and that that affected 
their relationship. 

1009
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,800
Too. 
Yeah, the bad films. 

1010
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,920
Because people were like, oh, 
these people suck and they're 

1011
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,320
overexposed and we just don't 
want to hear about them. 

1012
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,840
Yep. 
And I feel like Taylor Swift 

1013
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,040
really runs that risk lately, 
especially with Travis. 

1014
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,640
I hate to say it. 
What? 

1015
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,880
What? 
Is there anything new about 

1016
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,960
Travis? 
No, but it's just like we have 

1017
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,960
to hear about them all the time 
and like, OK, one, OK, never 

1018
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,160
mind. 
I don't want to get into what 

1019
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,080
what I was going to say 1 
football season is enough. 

1020
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,840
But then it makes it sound like 
I'm like one of those people. 

1021
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,000
Like I don't want to see two or 
suit on football. 

1022
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Like, it's not that, It's just 
like it is kind of forced upon 

1023
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,160
you. 
Yes, I will say I do feel like 

1024
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,440
it has died down a little bit it
it had came out I. 

1025
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Think so too, but I think. 
It would be wise to keep it that

1026
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,440
way. 
I think so too. 

1027
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,960
But obviously she's just living 
her life and she's at the game 

1028
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,240
watching her boyfriend play. 
This is different. 

1029
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,440
They are deliberately choosing 
to act in movies together. 

1030
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,080
And so, like, it's not just the 
movie. 

1031
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,960
It's And you know, keep in mind,
like back then they didn't have 

1032
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,160
as much movies and TV shows to 
watch. 

1033
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,720
So it's like everybody has to 
watch like the same actors on 

1034
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,440
screen together over and over 
again. 

1035
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,200
That would get so boring. 
Yeah, especially if your movie 

1036
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,480
theater in town only has like 2 
movies or. 

1037
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,880
Something, yeah, it's like. 
It keeps being Richard Burton. 

1038
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,400
Yeah. 
Oh, my God. 

1039
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,120
I mean, I think they were 
talented actors, but let's say 

1040
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,680
it's just not your thing. 
I mean, that would be annoying. 

1041
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,480
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1042
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,120
They started to realize that 
they were. 

1043
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,920
They actually, like, sat down 
and wrote down all their movies.

1044
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,680
And they realized that they were
more successful when they were 

1045
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,480
separate. 
But they did keep acting 

1046
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,800
together. 
It wasn't the end yet. 

1047
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,240
May 1968. 
This is part of the reason I 

1048
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,680
called them Bejeweled. 
Richard bought at auction the 

1049
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,480
Krup diamond for Elizabeth that 
was worth nearly $2,000,000. 

1050
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,960
Wow, it was a very big deal. 
That same month their movie Boom

1051
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,120
With an Exclamation Mark came 
out to terrible reviews. 

1052
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,280
And yeah, I actually wrote my 
note. 

1053
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,800
My notes kind of reminds me of 
Jlo and Ben Affleck. 

1054
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,880
He was taking a toll. 
And late 1968, it was just a bad

1055
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,320
year for them. 
Elizabeth had gained weight for 

1056
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,600
the movie and I think was 
struggling to lose it. 

1057
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,440
And she was having a lot of 
uterine pain and she couldn't 

1058
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,280
work through the pain. 
And she actually had a 

1059
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,720
hysterectomy. 
And Richard was so nervous for 

1060
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:11,400
her on edge and was drinking. 
And he actually experienced A 

1061
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,040
tragedy. 
Shortly shortly after this, he 

1062
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,640
and his brother EFA went to 
their house in Switzerland and 

1063
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,760
they were drinking a lot. 
They were at this like cafe 

1064
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,400
partying, and it was 3:00 AM and
EFA left the cafe to go to the 

1065
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,800
house to open it up because I 
think they hadn't been there for

1066
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,080
a while. 
So he was going to, I don't 

1067
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,440
know, turn all the lights on and
unlock the gates and stuff like 

1068
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,720
that. 
So Efra went over there and he 

1069
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:37,080
was stumbling around in the 
dark. 

1070
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,920
He was searching for a light 
switch to turn on the outside 

1071
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,320
light and his brother Efra 
slipped on a grill or something 

1072
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,720
and he fell against a windowsill
and broke his neck and it left 

1073
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:49,960
him completely paralyzed. 
Oh gosh. 

1074
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,520
And it was just a total, like, 
random accident. 

1075
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,520
But Richard was distraught 
because that was his favorite 

1076
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,840
brother, you know, who looked up
to the most. 

1077
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,360
And he felt so guilty for it 
that like somehow it was his 

1078
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,760
fault. 
Like he wouldn't have been there

1079
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,080
if it wasn't for him. 
And I really like after reading 

1080
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,640
about them. 
To me, this incident is the big 

1081
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,440
turning point in Richard's life 
and their relationship, because 

1082
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,280
he just became like so 
self-destructive after this. 

1083
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,280
Oh, I thought, I don't know why 
I thought you were going to say 

1084
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,800
the opposite. 
Obviously it just goes downhill 

1085
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,880
from there. 
I thought you were going to say 

1086
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,320
he, like, starts taking things 
seriously and oh gosh. 

1087
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,840
He wrote. 
I loved Efra the best. 

1088
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,720
He was nearest to a father to 
me. 

1089
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,320
And yeah, the movies were 
continuing to lose money. 

1090
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,600
But he didn't die, right? 
He didn't. 

1091
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,720
Die. 
No, but he was just completely 

1092
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,520
paralyzed. 
So I think it was just really 

1093
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,240
hard for him to see. 
And his brother would continue 

1094
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:56,480
to struggle. 
And he did die young, so it's so

1095
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,560
sad. 
But they were spending a lot of 

1096
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,520
time with the Duke and Duchess 
of Windsor, Edward and Wallace. 

1097
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,480
Wow. 
Probably related to them the 

1098
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:04,680
most. 
And there's this. 

1099
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,880
One night the four of them were 
hanging out and Richard picked 

1100
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,080
up Wallace and swung her around 
the room. 

1101
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,560
And apparently Elizabeth got so 
mad that she locked Richard in 

1102
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,080
the spare bedroom that night. 
And Richard tried to kick. 

1103
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,800
Richard tried to kick down the 
door, shattering the plaster. 

1104
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,080
And then he wrote in his diary, 
I better be off to work, because

1105
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,720
I behaved with a fair amount of 
disgrace yesterday. 

1106
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,040
It is not a good idea to drink 
so much. 

1107
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Oh my God, that's crazy. 
There was a lock from the 

1108
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,520
outside of the room. 
I know that is weird. 

1109
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,200
The. 
Guest room. 

1110
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,120
How did that work? 
Yeah, you just invite guests 

1111
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,040
over and then you can lock them 
in. 

1112
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,000
That's a good. 
Point Mel. 

1113
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Odd Bob. 
It's crazy that this episode 

1114
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,040
connects to last episode. 
No, actually 2. 

1115
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,280
Two episodes ago, yeah, but 
about Elizabeth, he wrote in his

1116
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,120
diary. 
I love that woman so much 

1117
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,240
sometimes that I cannot believe 
my luck. 

1118
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,120
He was pretty romantic. 
Like he wrote a lot of letters 

1119
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,040
to Elizabeth, sometimes even 
while she was home in the other 

1120
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,440
room, which is cute, And he 
wrote about her. 

1121
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,520
She is a wildly exciting 
lovemistress. 

1122
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,720
She is shy and witty. 
She is nobody's fool. 

1123
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,000
She's a brilliant actress. 
She is beautiful, but beyond the

1124
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,880
dreams of pornography, she can 
be arrogant and willful. 

1125
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,720
She's clever and loving. 
She tolerates my impossibilities

1126
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,520
and my drunkenness. 
She is an ache in the stomach 

1127
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,880
when I'm away from her and she 
loves me and I love her till I 

1128
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,480
die. 
That is pretty romantic. 

1129
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,080
It is so. 
Then what happened? 

1130
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,320
What happened? 
First, more, more jewels. 

1131
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,080
Burton bid on another famous 
jewel, La Peregrina, A pear 

1132
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,400
shaped Pearl that had been given
to Mary Tudor, the first 

1133
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,760
daughter of King Henry the 
eighth. 

1134
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,160
I know given to Mary Tudor by 
King Philip of Spain. 

1135
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,760
And it was such a famous Pearl 
that had its own biography. 

1136
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,400
Apparently it was found. 
Sorry, this is like unrelated, 

1137
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,080
but it was found by a slave in 
Panama who's given his freedom 

1138
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,480
for it. 
And then the Bonaparte, like 

1139
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,720
Napoleon, owned it in the 1800s 
and Oh my gosh, it's just crazy.

1140
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Like all these Royals owned it. 
And the Prince, this Prince 

1141
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,080
Alfonso from Spain, wanted to 
return it to Spain, but he was 

1142
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,080
outbid by Richard Burton. 
Wow. 

1143
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,800
But he it was $37,000, which 
surprised me because it's less 

1144
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,440
than that diamond he bought. 
But it was it was just crazy and

1145
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,560
crazier than that. 
Is that when she got this Pearl 

1146
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,800
that was so historic she almost 
lost it? 

1147
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,360
It fell off the necklace and she
couldn't find it anywhere. 

1148
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,000
And then she saw that the dog 
was gnawing at it. 

1149
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,080
The dog. 
Oh my God. 

1150
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,600
This has been like centuries of 
the royal family. 

1151
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,400
And the dog has it. 
That just kind of shows how 

1152
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,240
careless these people are 
though. 

1153
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,440
Elizabeth. 
Geez. 

1154
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,760
And then he bought her that same
year, the most expensive diamond

1155
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,640
in the world. 
He outbid Aristotle Onassis. 

1156
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,600
He bought it for 1.1 million. 
And Aristotle Onassis was 

1157
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,640
supposed to be, I think, the 
wealthiest man. 

1158
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,160
Yeah, in the world. 
So that's crazy. 

1159
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,720
And to get this diamond, it took
three couriers. 

1160
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,920
Two of them were decoys. 
Wow. 

1161
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,640
Three weeks to get the diamond. 
Three men carried identical 

1162
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,120
briefcases, only one with the 
Taylor Burton diamond in it, and

1163
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,880
all of them were escorted by 
armed security guards. 

1164
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,800
Oh my God. 
So insane. 

1165
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,440
I wouldn't want something that 
expensive. 

1166
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,920
I feel like that's so dangerous.
I know. 

1167
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,680
When would you ever wear it? 
I would worry. 

1168
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,880
Someone would cut my ear off. 
I know. 

1169
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,120
Where were they? 
Earrings, you said. 

1170
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,480
No, I think it was a diamond. 
And I think it was turned into a

1171
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,680
necklace. 
Yeah. 

1172
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,240
And what's silly is I think they
had a replica made, and she 

1173
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,680
mostly wore the replica. 
Yeah, that's just because it was

1174
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,720
too expensive to wear. 
Yeah, because, yeah, like people

1175
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,240
might try to kill her or 
something to get it, you know? 

1176
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,080
Yeah, I mean, I I guess it's 
like an investment. 

1177
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,720
You can sell it later on and it 
is only more valuable because 

1178
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,080
Elizabeth Taylor owned it. 
But I just, it seems like a 

1179
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,720
status thing more than anything.
Even if I was super rich, I was 

1180
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,360
saying this to my boyfriend the 
other day. 

1181
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,600
Even if I was super, super rich 
and like money was no object to 

1182
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,480
me, I still would never be able 
to justify spending money on 

1183
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,200
something like that. 
Or like I would never buy, I 

1184
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,840
would never buy like a Rolex or 
something like I just, I 

1185
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,120
wouldn't be able to justify 
that. 

1186
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,000
That's just me. 
Yeah, lately I do want more 

1187
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,200
quality jewelry. 
Like, I would like something 

1188
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,320
that's real gold or real silver 
or something. 

1189
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,280
But I yeah, I don't need like 
something that's $10,000 or 

1190
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,600
whatever. 
I mean $1,000,000. 

1191
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,440
Like, why do you need a necklace
that's that expensive? 

1192
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,880
It's just insane. 
Yeah, something you can't even 

1193
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,640
wear. 
It's just a total waste. 

1194
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,880
Yeah, it's obscene. 
And they kept fighting despite 

1195
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,680
all these jewels. 
Richard could say really nasty, 

1196
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,680
cool things to her, but 
Elizabeth would turn that to her

1197
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,480
advantage, making her making him
pay for things he said with 

1198
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,040
jewels and other things she 
wanted. 

1199
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,000
Yeah. 
So, like, if he was mean to her,

1200
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,600
she'd be like, that was mean. 
Now you have to buy me. 

1201
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,080
Something. 
But crazy enough, Richard. 

1202
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,960
You know, they were drinking so 
much he was told by a doctor 

1203
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,680
that he would die very soon if 
he didn't stop drinking. 

1204
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,000
Wow. 
So did he. 

1205
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,240
So he did stop drinking. 
Yeah, I know I wasn't. 

1206
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,160
I wasn't sure what you were 
asking about. 

1207
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,880
If he died. 
He did stop drinking, but 

1208
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,440
apparently Elizabeth found it 
very hard to adjust to having a 

1209
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,560
sober husband because part of 
their dynamic was drinking and 

1210
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,560
having fun that. 
Really. 

1211
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,600
We talked about this with Blake 
Shelton and Miranda Lambert on 

1212
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,560
The Future on. 
If you guys want to listen to 

1213
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,040
that, that when drinking is 
something that bonds a couple, 

1214
01:03:53,040 --> 01:04:00,080
that's not really a good recipe.
No, it's not, unfortunately. 

1215
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,480
Richard was nominated for an 
Academy Award, but he lost 

1216
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,280
again. 
Oh God, does he ever win? 

1217
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,320
Does he ever win an Academy? 
Award OK, He's nominated 7 

1218
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,000
times. 
Hey, I mean, that's an honor and

1219
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,280
it's all it is. 
And I just want to say, you 

1220
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,520
know, sorry to bring it up 
again, but everyone complaining 

1221
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,080
about Greta Gerwig is like, all 
right, I know Richard Burton, 

1222
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,040
everyone who's nominated 7 
times. 

1223
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,240
Yeah. 
So chill out. 

1224
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,080
Greta has made like 3 films, you
know. 

1225
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,720
Now it's the Seventies, 1970. 
They appeared in an episode of 

1226
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,200
Here's Lucy with Lucille Ball, 
and their episode was the 

1227
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,480
highest rated on the show's 
entire run. 

1228
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,880
So even though it's kind of like
Taylor Swift, you know, even 

1229
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,960
though everyone's saying, oh, 
we're so sick of them, people 

1230
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,280
still turned out to see them and
crazy. 

1231
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,000
This was crazy to me. 
She was still having issues with

1232
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,280
her back and she had a surgery 
for it. 

1233
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,920
And while Elizabeth was in the 
hospital, privacy was just 

1234
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,280
completely invaded. 
You know, they didn't have the 

1235
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,640
automated doors and things like 
that we have now in hospitals. 

1236
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,120
And strangers would just walk 
into her room to look at her and

1237
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,080
while she was in bed and 
apparently a hippie in quotes, 

1238
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,640
wandered into her room just to 
have a look. 

1239
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,440
And it really scared them 
because the Manson murders had 

1240
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,720
just happened. 
So yeah, they were really 

1241
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,800
freaked out. 
That's creepy. 

1242
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,600
That is not OK. 
No. 

1243
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,080
And then I have this interview I
wanted to show you guys. 

1244
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,320
They talk about how they like to
fight. 

1245
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:39,200
This weekend is the 6th wedding 
anniversary of U2. 

1246
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,480
At the time, there were a great 
many people who what? 

1247
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,080
Do you mean legal? 
Yeah, isn't it? 

1248
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,600
Yeah. 
Listen, well, if you were so 

1249
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,400
devoted to each other, as I 
think you are, what about all 

1250
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,680
these raws? 
You can't pick up a movie, 

1251
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:00,920
magazine or anything about Liz 
and Dick battling. 

1252
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,120
No, I must say we enjoy 
fighting. 

1253
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,480
I think that fighting was 
somebody you love and I'm really

1254
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,480
sure of. 
And if you're really sure of 

1255
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,960
yourself in your love, I think 
having a fight, an out and out 

1256
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:20,560
outrageous, ridiculous fight is 
one of the greatest exercises in

1257
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,480
marital togetherness. 
I think especially if, 

1258
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,000
especially if you have no really
weak points. 

1259
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,520
Oh, I see. 
See, you do not attack the weak 

1260
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,240
points. 
They're perfectly obvious. 

1261
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:37,000
And Elizabeth of myself. 
So when I insult Elizabeth, 

1262
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:44,240
which I frequently do, I do not 
attack that soft spot in the 

1263
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,960
underbelly. 
And when she attacks me, double 

1264
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,240
chins you. 
Bloody well have. 

1265
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Yeah, she's got a sloppy fat 
belly. 

1266
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,640
I never I. 
Like of his pop marks you. 

1267
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,440
Know well we can attack those 
things, but they're superficial.

1268
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,600
No, they're ethics. 
You're. 

1269
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,800
You're more, you're more 
vulnerable, I'm sure, on other 

1270
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,640
things than that. 
Well, yes, I am, yeah, we have. 

1271
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,400
We've always had, of course, the
enormous problem, Elizabeth and 

1272
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:16,920
myself, of my being essentially 
a stage actor and Elizabeth the 

1273
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:22,800
film actress. 
And so we frequently have lovely

1274
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:27,720
quarrels about that, where 
Elizabeth describes stage actors

1275
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,720
as being full of rubbish. 
And I replied that more. 

1276
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,680
More Pontifical. 
OK, Oh my God. 

1277
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:44,400
When I insult Elizabeth, as I 
frequently do, I don't go below 

1278
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,720
the belt. 
I found my. 

1279
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,440
Double. 
Chin you have see I here's the 

1280
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,240
thing. 
I think that like playful 

1281
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,080
banter, like some people flirt 
in a way where they like to like

1282
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,600
tease each other and be mean and
it's like part like some some 

1283
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,080
people that like does get them 
on and like get them going and 

1284
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,800
they really like that. 
But like, I don't know, a double

1285
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,000
chin commenting on something 
like that. 

1286
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,160
I would, I know. 
I would cry if if my boyfriend 

1287
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:15,040
commented on that. 
He always kind of poked fun at 

1288
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,960
her, being a little chubby like 
he calls her Mumpy. 

1289
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,399
She has insanely thick skin 
though. 

1290
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:22,319
I kept reading. 
Yeah, she really didn't let 

1291
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,000
things get to her. 
Yeah. 

1292
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,080
That's part of why she can just,
you know, hurt people, because 

1293
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,600
it doesn't hurt. 
But isn't that interesting? 

1294
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,600
I I do have to say she was so 
beautiful like she. 

1295
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,200
Was. 
Gorgeous, gorgeous baby. 

1296
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,359
Just perfect. 
Yeah. 

1297
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,600
I love her eyebrows and eyes 
and. 

1298
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,120
Just you can see. 
You can see why she mesmerized 

1299
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,479
people. 
This might sound bad, but she 

1300
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,080
got this out. 
I don't know if Abby's 

1301
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,920
listening, but I feel like she 
would be into Richard Burt. 

1302
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,200
Why do you say that? 
Just seems like her time. 

1303
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,920
A manly man? 
Yeah, sometime this year too, 

1304
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,279
Richard. 
Again, said that Boston, of all 

1305
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:11,240
places, is the worst for Mobs, 
so I just wanted to shout out 

1306
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:15,240
Boston for that. 
There was more spending money 

1307
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,840
lavishly, health problems, 
battling alcoholism, which 

1308
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,560
interestingly, Richard Burton 
never admitted he had. 

1309
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,000
He never considered himself an 
alcoholic, He just said he liked

1310
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,200
to drink. 
They went to Budapest for 

1311
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,160
Richard's movie Blue Beard. 
And some people were appalled by

1312
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,000
their display of wealth in the 
communist country and just a 

1313
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,960
lack of sensitivity to, you 
know, where they were. 

1314
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,439
Yeah, because a lot of people 
were pretty poor at the time 

1315
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,399
there. 
And then, sadly, March 21st, 

1316
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:48,080
1972, Richard's beloved brother 
if Jenkins died. 

1317
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,000
And Richard was devastated. 
And after writing about his 

1318
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,560
brother's death, he put down his
diary and didn't touch it again 

1319
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,000
for eight years. 
Oh wow. 

1320
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,040
And until this point, he had 
actually been sober. 

1321
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,760
Elizabeth had been drinking 
still, but he had been sober 

1322
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,000
since. 
He was told he would die. 

1323
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:11,160
But he started drinking again 
and he just kind of gave up on 

1324
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,680
his life. 
He just started being nastier, 

1325
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,320
just not taking care of himself 
at all later that month. 

1326
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,200
It's crazy that they did this 
like his brother just died and I

1327
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,440
think like 10 days later they 
did this two night interview on 

1328
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:28,680
TV and they were both really 
clearly drunk and out of it 

1329
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,120
during it. 
And Elizabeth later admitted 

1330
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,360
that she had made a fool of 
herself in this interview. 

1331
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,000
But Richard didn't care, and for
the first time in their 

1332
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,920
eight-year relationship, Richard
became unfaithful. 

1333
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,720
Oh wow. 
I'm surprised it took him so 

1334
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,120
long, honestly. 
I know. 

1335
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,080
I mean, it does seem like they 
were really in love with each 

1336
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:51,280
other, despite how dysfunctional
it was, because he was always a 

1337
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,240
cheater with Sybil. 
Yeah. 

1338
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,720
So it was pretty impressive that
he wasn't. 

1339
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,480
But he, like I said, he just 
kind of gave up after his 

1340
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,600
brother died and he hooked up 
with his Co star, Natalie 

1341
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,080
Dellen. 
And I can't believe this in this

1342
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,920
saga that we've been doing with 
the, you know, Debbie, Eddie, 

1343
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,560
Liz, This is the third time this
has happened because at 5:00 AM,

1344
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,840
Elizabeth called his hotel and 
said get that woman out of my 

1345
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,320
bed. 
As you re put your. 

1346
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:23,080
Why does this keep happening? 
Somebody calling a hotel and 

1347
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,880
being like, what are you, Who's 
in my bed, right? 

1348
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:28,960
Now. 
Oh my God. 

1349
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,280
So she was pissed. 
But they didn't break up. 

1350
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,840
They patched things up and he 
bought her a large sapphire 

1351
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,400
ring. 
Richard, then. 

1352
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,840
I don't know. 
I guess he was trying to change 

1353
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,760
his scene. 
He announced that he was going 

1354
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,400
to teach literature course at 
Oxford and he'd commute from 

1355
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,480
London while Elizabeth shot a 
film there. 

1356
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,640
And he did teach a semester and 
he seemed to really enjoy it. 

1357
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,840
Oh, that's nice and was popular 
with the students. 

1358
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,160
I know. 
I don't know why that didn't 

1359
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,600
continue. 
After this cheating incident. 

1360
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,080
Elizabeth became increasingly 
more possessive and I read this 

1361
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,040
story about while she was on a 
film set. 

1362
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,680
While Richard was filming a 
movie, a girl had been invited 

1363
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,280
to Richard's dressing room. 
I don't know why. 

1364
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,720
I don't really understand the 
circumstances, but I don't know 

1365
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,040
if it was a Trav. 
But Elizabeth was hiding behind 

1366
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,880
the sofa and when the girl 
walked into the room, Elizabeth 

1367
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,120
jumped up holding a broken vodka
bottle and chased the girl out. 

1368
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,520
Of her room. 
Oh my God. 

1369
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,520
It's more violent, but it kind 
of reminds me of Chuck and 

1370
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,800
Blair. 
Like, do you remember when on 

1371
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,960
Gossip Girl they used to do this
thing where Chuck would like, 

1372
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,280
flirt with a girl and then bring
her back to his place and then 

1373
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,520
Blair would be waiting to yell 
at the girl? 

1374
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,520
It was like a game to them. 
Yeah. 

1375
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:43,480
Wait, maybe. 
I don't know. 

1376
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,920
That's Imagine being chased by 
Elizabeth Taylor like a weapon 

1377
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,440
that would keep you up at night.
That is scary. 

1378
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,240
And Richard said he started to 
hate the movies that they did 

1379
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,280
about rich people and it seemed 
like he started to become like 

1380
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:05,040
disgusted with their own life. 
And yeah, I was just tired of it

1381
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,760
and tired of the fighting and 
the chaos, and Elizabeth was 

1382
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,400
starting to lose his patience 
for his drinking, but she 

1383
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,120
herself wouldn't stop drinking 
either. 

1384
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,880
And then July 4th, 1973. 
I don't know why it was the 4th 

1385
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,240
of July, but Elizabeth issued A 
handwritten statement saying I'm

1386
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:24,040
convinced it would be a good, 
constructive idea of Richard and

1387
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,960
I to separate for a while. 
Maybe we loved each other too 

1388
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,800
much. 
I never believed such a thing 

1389
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,960
was possible. 
But we have been in each other's

1390
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,840
pockets constantly, never being 
apart for matter, but for 

1391
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,240
matters of life and death. 
And I believe it has caused a 

1392
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,360
temporary breakdown of 
communication. 

1393
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,400
I believe with all my heart that
separation will ultimately bring

1394
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,400
us back to where we should be, 
and that's together. 

1395
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:45,920
Who is she writing this to? 
The public. 

1396
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,080
I guess the press. 
Yeah. 

1397
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,320
Oh wow. 
I know. 

1398
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,920
I feel like she did not need to 
do that. 

1399
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,880
No, that's too much information.
They're on a break. 

1400
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,000
They're on a break. 
And when is this? 

1401
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,680
This is July 4th, 1973. 
OK, but do they end up 

1402
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,760
divorcing? 
Yes. 

1403
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,000
This is not a breakup yet. 
There is more to come. 

1404
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,000
Richard did enlist a doctor to 
help detoxify from alcohol. 

1405
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,440
And just so you know, at this 
point, she's 41 and he's 47 or 

1406
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:18,400
so. 
They even though they were on a 

1407
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,840
break, supposedly they did Still
keep in touch and the break only

1408
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,600
lasted 2 weeks. 
They reunited in Rome at the 

1409
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,240
airport and I wrote, I wrote my 
notes. 

1410
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,000
Did they really need a statement
for only two weeks? 

1411
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,280
But maybe she didn't know it 
would be that short. 

1412
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,840
Maybe, she thought. 
If she released a statement, 

1413
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,800
she'd be more likely to stick to
it. 

1414
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,360
That's true. 
They reunited, they got back 

1415
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,720
together, they kissed each other
at this airport and they were so

1416
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,560
happy. 
But their reunion only lasted 9 

1417
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,120
days. 
Oh, because Richard started 

1418
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,880
drinking again and becoming 
intolerable to Elizabeth. 

1419
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,160
And they separated again and 
this time began divorce 

1420
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:58,760
proceedings. 
Wow. 

1421
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:03,480
And Elizabeth told her friend. 
I don't want to be that much in 

1422
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,520
love ever again. 
Oh, that's a devastating 

1423
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,600
feeling. 
Both of them started having 

1424
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,120
flings with other people pretty 
much right away. 

1425
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,880
Yeah. 
In November, I guess a couple 

1426
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,920
months later, Elizabeth was in 
the hospital again for an 

1427
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,600
ovarian cyst. 
And after her surgery, she had 

1428
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,920
heard that her friend Lawrence 
Harvey had died. 

1429
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,520
And she just felt completely 
lost, like just horrible. 

1430
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,680
You know, she's in the hospital,
then she hears her friend died 

1431
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,200
and she called Richard and said,
can I come home? 

1432
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,040
And Richard immediately flew to 
her as fast as he could and they

1433
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,000
were back together OK. 
Seems like they're both. 

1434
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,400
I mean, they're not in great 
places. 

1435
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,480
Going through breakup takes a 
lot of stamina. 

1436
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:47,640
Like you have to, like be 
willing to like, grieve that 

1437
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:52,240
person and like, push yourself 
to like, hmm, go through that. 

1438
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,360
Doesn't seem like they're both 
in a place mentally to be able 

1439
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,560
to go through that, even if they
should break up. 

1440
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,200
It's hard, yeah. 
I guess his first words when he 

1441
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,120
saw her was Hello Lumpy. 
How are you feeling? 

1442
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,520
Oh my God. 
She was. 

1443
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:08,000
But I guess that was his 
nickname for her. 

1444
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,000
And then she was smiling and all
giddy and said hi POC face. 

1445
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,760
Oh. 
My God, and they were. 

1446
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,520
Hugging and squeezing and 
kissing each other and they were

1447
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,680
all happy. 
But despite being back together 

1448
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,400
he he was still back to his out 
of control ways. 

1449
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,720
He randomly met an 18 year old 
girl in front of a local jail. 

1450
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:33,160
OK, two red flags here while 
filming a movie and he invited 

1451
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,560
her to his trailer and he bought
her a $450 ring. 

1452
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,600
Oh, not as much as the rings he 
buys Elizabeth, obviously, but 

1453
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,720
still $450. 
It's a lot. 

1454
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,440
Elizabeth was pissed when you 
heard about this, like, what the

1455
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:47,920
hell are you doing? 
And he was really falling apart.

1456
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,920
Like he was shaking. 
He looked terrible. 

1457
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,280
He couldn't get any of his lines
right in acting, and he was 

1458
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,040
rushed to the hospital and he 
was told that he would be dead 

1459
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,880
in two weeks if he didn't 
detoxify alcohol. 

1460
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,520
He had a temperature of 104. 
His kidneys were at the point of

1461
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,360
collapse. 
He was just he was dying, 

1462
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,080
basically, he's in the hospital 
for six weeks. 

1463
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:12,960
Elizabeth stayed in touch by 
phone, but she couldn't really 

1464
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,920
take it anymore. 
And quietly she filed for 

1465
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,400
divorce. 
April 25th, 1974 they publicly 

1466
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,760
announced divorce. 
So. 

1467
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,160
Before that, like first divorce,
but they had separated twice. 

1468
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,280
They had said yes, OK, they had 
started the process of divorce 

1469
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,600
before, but it didn't. 
Stick. 

1470
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,360
Yeah, yes. 
Wow. 

1471
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,680
Also, I just wanted to say, 
like, I know they made a lot of 

1472
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,400
money, but it seems like their 
spending is reckless. 

1473
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,360
It seems like eventually if you 
keep buying all this expensive 

1474
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:45,520
like you have other expenses 
too, it seems like you would run

1475
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,600
out of money. 
Yep. 

1476
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,040
And that's kind of the reason 
Richard kept acting and doing a 

1477
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,440
lot of movies that he didn't 
even think were that great, 

1478
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:56,120
because their lifestyle was so 
expensive and they couldn't keep

1479
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,720
up with it. 
Yeah, I. 

1480
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,440
Hate to read about that. 
I hate when people do that. 

1481
01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:03,840
Like you have such opportunity. 
Why are you being so reckless? 

1482
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,680
Yeah. 
Drives me crazy. 

1483
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,160
Crazy. 
Also, four months later, after 

1484
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,840
their divorce, Richard became 
engaged. 

1485
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,120
What to the Princess Elizabeth 
of Yugoslavia. 

1486
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,520
Oh my God, how did he meet? 
Her I don't even know, but 

1487
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,840
insane. 
And Elizabeth was very upset 

1488
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,480
when she heard this. 
The other Elizabeth and 

1489
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:31,800
experienced painful back spasms 
when she heard. 

1490
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,280
But the engagement only lasted a
few months, and it was called 

1491
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,560
off December 1974. 
And she had been seeing this 

1492
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,040
guy, Henry Weinberg, and she 
called that off in 1975. 

1493
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,760
And in 1975, Richard and 
Elizabeth agreed to meet at her 

1494
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,960
Swiss lawyer's office to discuss
their financial settlement. 

1495
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:56,080
Seemed like it was supposed to 
be all business, but when they 

1496
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,200
saw each other, they were struck
by how good the others looked. 

1497
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:00,880
Oh. 
Yeah, I bet they both brought 

1498
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,960
their egg in too. 
Yes, Richard had stopped 

1499
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,800
drinking again, and he looked 
slim and healthy, and she was 

1500
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,680
more slim down, and they just 
looked good and they fell into 

1501
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,400
each other's arms, tears 
streaming, and they were back 

1502
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,680
together. 
OK. 

1503
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,920
Elizabeth wanted to remarry, but
Richard was hesitant. 

1504
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,960
Hesitant. 
After all, they'd been through. 

1505
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,360
Understandable. 
I feel like that would be kind 

1506
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,320
of devastate, like you're you're
back together, but OK, we used 

1507
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,200
to be husband and wife. 
How do you just be boyfriend? 

1508
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,440
I know that is strange. 
I. 

1509
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,960
Can kind of get why you would 
want to get remarried, because 

1510
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,600
it's like, let's just pick up 
where we left off. 

1511
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,440
Yeah, that you're right. 
That would be hard, I think to 

1512
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:44,440
think like, yeah, we were, we 
were more serious before where 

1513
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,720
if you still love each other as 
much. 

1514
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,640
But it's almost like a demotion.
I don't know. 

1515
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,320
It's. 
It's strange, yeah. 

1516
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:54,760
Elizabeth had an X-ray that 
revealed a spot on her lungs 

1517
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,400
that they thought could be 
cancer. 

1518
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,080
It turned out to be just scar 
tissue and they were so happy, 

1519
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:00,640
but they had been really 
nervous. 

1520
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,440
While they were celebrating the 
good news, Richard got down on 

1521
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:08,680
one knee and proposed marriage. 
All was happy, but that night he

1522
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,400
went out and got drunk. 
Oh God. 

1523
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,200
It's so hard to hear. 
October 10th, 1975, they married

1524
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,280
again on the banks of the Chobe 
River in Botswana. 

1525
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,800
They had always liked to go into
Africa because I guess they got 

1526
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,800
less attention there and they 
just liked the beautiful nature 

1527
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,160
and everything. 
About a month later, after their

1528
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,040
second wedding, Elizabeth went 
back to the hospital for her 

1529
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,880
back and neck pain, and she 
wanted Richard to stay with her.

1530
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,680
But this time he didn't want to 
and he willed her to the 

1531
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,640
hospital. 
And when a photographer asked 

1532
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,000
him to kiss for the camera, he 
refused. 

1533
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:48,080
And in December, they returned 
to their chalet in Switzerland, 

1534
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,200
and he went on the ski slopes 
one day to, you know, just get 

1535
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,800
away. 
And on the slopes he noticed a 

1536
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,760
tall, stunning blonde woman, a 
former model named Susie Hunt, 

1537
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,640
And he was captivated by her. 
But Elizabeth didn't know. 

1538
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:07,760
He began seeing this Susie Hunt.
And then he signed on for three 

1539
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,000
months in the stage play Equus, 
which I always remember is the 

1540
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,040
play that Daniel Radcliffe was 
in. 

1541
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,440
Yeah. 
And at this time, it's crazy 

1542
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:19,320
because they were just, like, so
happy to be back together and 

1543
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,640
remarried, but they were 
sleeping in separate bedrooms. 

1544
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,520
I don't know if that's because 
someone was snoring or 

1545
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:28,400
something, but it's strange. 
And he left Switzerland to begin

1546
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,560
rehearsals for his play in New 
York. 

1547
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,440
Elizabeth stayed in Switzerland,
but Susie went with him. 

1548
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:39,680
Unbeknownst to Elizabeth and 
upset that Richard had left 

1549
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,560
without her, Elizabeth took up 
with a 37 year old advertising 

1550
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,880
executive that she'd met at a 
discotheque. 

1551
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,640
OK, so they're both. 
Yeah, yeah, they're both. 

1552
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,560
Cheating. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1553
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,120
But that's not AI feel like 
they're both really possessive 

1554
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:55,280
and jealous, though. 
I don't. 

1555
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,360
I don't see that going. 
Well, Nope. 

1556
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,840
Richard called Elizabeth from 
New York. 

1557
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,600
She's in Switzerland and asked 
her to come to New York. 

1558
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,200
So she did. 
She was all happy. 

1559
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,240
He greeted her at the airport 
with a big kiss. 

1560
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,080
But when they got to the hotel, 
she checked into a separate 

1561
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,040
suite, which is kind of odd. 
Yeah, Richard had been doing 

1562
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,360
pretty good health wise. 
Susie didn't really drink, and 

1563
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,840
it was actually a pretty healthy
companion for him. 

1564
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,480
But Elizabeth didn't know that. 
Like she. 

1565
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,440
I don't think she even knew 
Susie existed. 

1566
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,080
And she could tell something 
wasn't right, though, because he

1567
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,960
was acting distant and 
tentative. 

1568
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,640
And that's when he told her that
he wanted a divorce. 

1569
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,000
Oh my God, to be with Susie. 
Yep, he got with. 

1570
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,040
Apparently had only invited 
Elizabeth there to tell her that

1571
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:41,920
he had fallen in love with Susie
Hunt. 

1572
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,960
That's terrible, I know. 
I do think if you want to break 

1573
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,760
up with someone and you want to 
do it in person, you go to them,

1574
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,680
do not make them travel to you 
and then they have to get back 

1575
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,240
on the plane. 
Yeah, that's terrible. 

1576
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,480
Selfish, especially because the 
person probably excited to see 

1577
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,880
you. 
You should surprise them. 

1578
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,000
I don't. 
Maybe not surprise them, I don't

1579
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,360
know. 
I do feel bad, despite 

1580
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,000
everything. 
I do feel bad for Elizabeth And 

1581
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,280
she started yelling and said why
the hell did you have me come 

1582
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,000
all the way here to tell me 
that? 

1583
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,120
And she left New York the next 
day. 

1584
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,360
Yeah, I don't blame she. 
Agreed to a divorce, and then 

1585
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:25,160
she flew to LA and checked into 
the Beverly Hills Hotel because 

1586
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,960
she couldn't bear to be in any 
of their shared homes, and she 

1587
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,800
withdrew from hosting the Tonys.
Oh, wow. 

1588
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,800
August 1st, 1976 their divorce 
was finalized. 

1589
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,800
OK, just a little more about 
their lives because crazy enough

1590
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:46,080
it doesn't stop there. 
Richard and Susie did marry OK, 

1591
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,040
and they weren't together for a 
long, pretty long time. 

1592
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,400
But they divorced six years 
later, so it wasn't forever. 

1593
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:56,880
Elizabeth quickly remarried the 
politician John Warner Junior, a

1594
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,680
wealthy Virginian Republican, 
and he became a senator. 

1595
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,120
And while she was with him, she 
put her career aside to be a 

1596
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,600
senator's wife, which wasn't 
that unusual. 

1597
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,560
It might sound crazy, but she 
had always talked about wanting 

1598
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,600
to retire from acting. 
But she did become very bored 

1599
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,560
and restless and I think felt 
kind of suppressed in that 

1600
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,840
relationship. 
And they divorced after four 

1601
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,680
years. 
I wonder if she married him just

1602
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,960
to be like to have someone else 
since Richard left me somebody. 

1603
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:28,440
I know in 1982 Elizabeth threw a
large gala celebration for her 

1604
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:33,480
50th birthday and she arrived at
the party arm in arm with 

1605
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,200
Richard Burton. 
What? 

1606
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,880
What the heck? 
They danced together and maybe 

1607
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,240
spent the night together. 
The press was ecstatic. 

1608
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,920
They might be hiding, Were they?
And then the two of them agreed 

1609
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,320
to starting to play together and
they would tour the country. 

1610
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,480
It was called Private Lives and 
it started out great. 

1611
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:56,400
They were so happy. 
This is awesome reunion. 

1612
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,040
I'm guessing that they were 
romantic together. 

1613
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,320
Yeah, but by the end of it, they
couldn't stand each other. 

1614
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,240
They were so over it. 
It was like the last nail in the

1615
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,000
coffin. 
Like, Elizabeth was late all the

1616
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,120
time drinking. 
They were fighting, yeah. 

1617
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,160
And it it just ended in 
disaster. 

1618
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,760
I think they stopped showing up.
And like the understudies had to

1619
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,440
stand in and Richard said he 
would not act with her 

1620
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:24,160
understudy anymore and he just 
disappeared and it was not good.

1621
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:27,080
Yeah, I guess sometimes with 
those relationships, like we 

1622
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,720
talked in the beginning about 
how many times you have to break

1623
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,040
up with someone, some of those 
relationships might be so 

1624
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,440
intense that you have to do it 
over and over and over again 

1625
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:37,880
until you're like, wait, this 
actually is boring? 

1626
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,720
I actually don't like this 
person. 

1627
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,760
I feel like by the time they did
this play together, yeah, in the

1628
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,680
80s, they realized like, I'm I 
cannot take this anymore. 

1629
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,720
Because they probably, like, 
spent all that time longing for 

1630
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,160
the other one too and building 
it up in their head. 

1631
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,640
And then once they get back 
together, they're older now, 

1632
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,280
they've had other partners, 
they've probably hopefully 

1633
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,360
matured a little bit. 
And then it's like, oh wait, 

1634
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,280
this doesn't hit the way it used
to. 

1635
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,880
And the play was getting bad 
reviews, so. 

1636
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,080
It was just. 
Then, on a whim, it seems 

1637
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,840
Richard married his young 
assistant Sally Haye. 

1638
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,680
Oh Yep, so that was his fourth 
marriage. 

1639
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:25,000
But sadly, his marriage to Sally
Haye didn't last too long, 

1640
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:29,640
because August 4, 1984, Richard 
Burton died of a cerebral 

1641
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:35,920
hemorrhage at age 58 years old. 
That is very young, but I mean 

1642
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,440
writing was on the wall there. 
It was. 

1643
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:40,400
It was for, like, decades. 
Yeah. 

1644
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,800
Elizabeth fainted when she heard
the news, and she later said I 

1645
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,720
was still in love with him the 
day he died. 

1646
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,280
I think he still loved me too. 
His wife Sally asked her not to 

1647
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,120
attend the funeral because it 
would be a huge distraction. 

1648
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:57,640
Yeah, so she didn't go, but she 
did visit his grave, and it's 

1649
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,680
kind of sad. 
The paparazzi were like hounding

1650
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,360
her, and her bodyguards had to 
hold open umbrellas to shield 

1651
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,320
her to get a little privacy. 
But she did apparently go the 

1652
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,200
next morning to see his grave, 
and then she went to Wales to 

1653
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,640
visit his family. 
It's sad. 

1654
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,800
And then just to wrap up 
Elizabeth Taylor, because I 

1655
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,040
don't know if we'll cover her 
again. 

1656
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,680
Probably not. 
But in 1988 she attended the 

1657
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,560
Betty Ford clinic rehab after 
relapsing the prescription drugs

1658
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,040
because she had a problem with 
that. 

1659
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,200
And it's interesting, she was 
one of the first celebrities to 

1660
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,000
be open about going to rehab. 
Like before that, people were 

1661
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,240
very private about it. 
Or, you know, it was kind of a 

1662
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,320
new thing. 
And I do appreciate that about 

1663
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:38,680
Elizabeth. 
I feel like she's always been 

1664
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,080
very open. 
Yeah, and vulnerable. 

1665
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:44,080
But while she was there, she met
this young, good looking 

1666
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:49,360
construction worker and former 
trucker Larry Fortensky, who was

1667
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,280
20 years younger than her and 
she married him her 7th husband.

1668
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,920
Wow. 
They were married for five years

1669
01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:59,000
in the late 90s. 
Yeah. 

1670
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,800
They weren't together until 
death was part in the late 90s. 

1671
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,040
Elizabeth did survive a brain 
tumor, which is incredible. 

1672
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,800
And she did also lots of work 
for AIDS research and funding 

1673
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,080
because she actually, I never 
mentioned it because didn't 

1674
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,600
really fit in the story. 
But she did have a lot of gay 

1675
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:17,720
men friends that she was really 
close to even back in like the 

1676
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,640
50s. 
And she and her friend founded 

1677
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,800
the National AIDS Research 
Foundation and it's pretty 

1678
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,320
amazing. 
Like, even when people were 

1679
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,080
terrified of the disease, like 
they didn't didn't know what it 

1680
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,920
was. 
People were afraid to like even 

1681
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,160
be close to people with AIDS. 
At the time. 

1682
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,480
She did things like visit them 
in the hospital and sit in bed 

1683
01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:38,240
with them to show that, like 
they weren't dangerous and they 

1684
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:41,320
weren't untouchable. 
So that's really nice of her. 

1685
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,760
Yeah. 
And I guess till, I think till 

1686
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,680
the end of her days, she had a 
photo of Richard hung in her 

1687
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,760
bedroom, her and Richard in Oval
frame. 

1688
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,320
And I think she always loved him
and he always loved her. 

1689
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,040
It's just they couldn't always 
be together, you know, They 

1690
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,840
couldn't really make it work. 
She died on my sister's 

1691
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,880
birthday, March 23rd 2011. 
Oh. 

1692
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,920
I was going to say it does seem 
like she loved Richard Burton 

1693
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,960
the most. 
But it does. 

1694
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,880
I mean, Mike Todd sadly passed 
away so who knows what could 

1695
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,440
have been but. 
That's true. 

1696
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,800
It seems like, I mean, she has a
such a fiery personality. 

1697
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,720
I feel like Richard Burton was 
like her true equal in a sense, 

1698
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:28,600
but like together, those two 
personalities would never work. 

1699
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,320
What do they call that? 
Like a twin flame or two people 

1700
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,080
who it's like the opposite of or
different from a soul mate. 

1701
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,720
It's like two people who are 
like they pass through each 

1702
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,680
other's lives and they connect 
and it's so strong. 

1703
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,720
But like, they're not really 
meant to be together forever. 

1704
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,120
It's just what, what did they 
say? 

1705
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,920
Everyone's for a season or a 
reason or whatever. 

1706
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:53,520
Yeah, I I think definitely they 
they meant a lot to each other 

1707
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,280
and it was obviously really 
passionate, but it just wasn't 

1708
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,440
stable. 
But sometimes there are people 

1709
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:01,120
like that in your life that make
a huge impact, but they're not 

1710
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,200
really meant to maybe be in your
life. 

1711
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,000
Forever. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1712
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,560
But like, it doesn't mean that 
they're not any less than what 

1713
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,480
they were, if that makes sense. 
Like even if you had to break up

1714
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,720
some relationships maybe are not
meant to be till death do us 

1715
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,240
part, but that doesn't mean it 
wasn't like successful for what 

1716
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:21,840
it was and you can still. 
Have a relationship with someone

1717
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,040
like this might sound weird, but
even if you don't talk to them, 

1718
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,800
I know what I mean. 
Yes, we this came up in our 

1719
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:34,640
Carly Simon and James Taylor, 
another Taylor. 

1720
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,520
Taylor. 
Taylor, Taylor, Taylor. 

1721
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,840
I wonder if they're related. 
And Carly said something like 

1722
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,200
I've accepted the fact that, 
like, I still love him and I'll 

1723
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,600
always love him, which I think 
is really therapeutic for some 

1724
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,360
people to hear because they 
might really struggle to get 

1725
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,040
over someone thinking they have 
to fall out of love with them. 

1726
01:30:55,560 --> 01:31:01,520
But you can still love someone 
and accept that you are not with

1727
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:02,640
them. 
I agree. 

1728
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,680
And that you're better off not 
being with them. 

1729
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,480
So that was Elizabeth Taylor and
Richard Burton. 

1730
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:10,920
Wow. 
Thank you for listening. 

1731
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,200
What a flagship episode. 
Thank you. 

1732
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:21,920
So next week is our last episode
before summer break. 

1733
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:29,080
Yes, OK, Next week's episode, 
believe it or not, is connected 

1734
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:33,720
to the saga that I've been 
hosting with the Debbie, Eddie, 

1735
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,440
Liz, Richard. 
But it's none of those people. 

1736
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,120
It's not any of this war, but it
is related to them. 

1737
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:44,640
This person is connected to 
them, and it's a relationship 

1738
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,800
that stands on its own. 
People have requested this 

1739
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:52,560
relationship, you know, without 
any connection to Elizabeth 

1740
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,960
Burton or Debbie Reynolds or 
whatever. 

1741
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,280
So I don't know. 
Do you think that's enough of a 

1742
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:58,440
hint? 
I think. 

1743
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:02,400
So yeah, OK. 
And then on our Instagram before

1744
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,440
the episodes come out, we 
usually tease with a picture and

1745
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:08,280
people guess. 
So if you want to check that out

1746
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,520
for another hint if you just 
can't wait. 

1747
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,360
On. 
Tuesday on Tuesday before the 

1748
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,760
episode comes out. 
And yes, we are going to be 

1749
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:20,440
going on a little break for the 
summer, so our next episode's 

1750
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:23,600
Patreon, Patreon only. 
And if you want to join the 

1751
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:28,600
Patreon, now is your time to do 
so, because you won't be able to

1752
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,640
join it while we're on a break, 
which is so annoying. 

1753
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:37,360
Like it's it's not up to us. 
But Patreon just does it that 

1754
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:38,880
way. 
If we pause payments, people 

1755
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,440
can't join. 
So we want to just get the 

1756
01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:45,360
message out there because we 
have so many Patreon episodes 

1757
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,360
that if, if you there's one that
you really want to listen to, 

1758
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,240
this is the best time to sign 
up. 

1759
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,600
Because you'll pay $5 and then 
you'll get to listen to all the 

1760
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,600
episodes you want, and then 
we'll resume back in August. 

1761
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,560
Yep. 
And that'll be like 42 episodes,

1762
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,960
yeah, or so. 
So I think. 

1763
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,040
It's like 45 because we have a 
lot of episodes. 

1764
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,840
That are like, Oh yeah. 
Cup like updates and stuff like 

1765
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:11,680
that too. 
That's true. 

1766
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,480
That's true. 
More than 40. 

1767
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:17,400
Well, thank you guys so much for
joining us on this whirlwind 

1768
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:18,960
Wednesday. 
Yep. 

1769
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:22,400
And we'll get back together next
week. 

1770
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:23,840
Yeah. 
Bye.