Are you long time tonight? Do you miss me tonight?
Are you sorry we dressed apart? Welcome to Significant Lovers.
I'm Kel. And thanks for joining us,
everybody. This is our second episode.
Wow, which is? Super exciting.
Thank you to everyone who's listened and supported so.
Far. We're actually recording this
before any episodes have come out, so.
Yeah, I'm. Hoping that people can.
Look at it. Same.
Yeah.
Thanks so much for being here. Super excited today.
Mel is taking the reins again. Yep, super.
Fun episode, so I know I teased it last time.
Today I'm covering Ashley Benson and Cara Delevingne.
It's our first same sex couple. Wow.
And it's our second episode. Yeah.
I'm intrigued. I'm excited.
I really don't know much about their relationship.
Yeah, I felt like they they were, they were like necessarily
super surprising, but in a way they kind of were like it just
it was very casual and I feel like people didn't really talk
about it enough. Yeah, I was weirdly obsessed
with Cara Delevingne. Like, back in. 2011, 2010, 2012
whenever like that's. Exactly what they wanted.
To be my God, yeah, I would like, make collages with her in
them. Yeah, like, I was obsessed
because I thought she was so cool.
She fit in with the whole like, indie Tumblr vibe, you know?
Did you watch? Pretty Little Liars.
No, I didn't. So I was gonna ask you, because
I did. I don't know.
Ashley Benson. She's most famous for her role
in Pretty Little Liars. PLL What?
Was her character like in that series?
Her character was in the first season.
She was kind of like, she was popular.
She kind of like had ditched the other friends the past year or
so to hang out with this other girl, Mona, who was like, cool
now. And she also, I think, had an
eating disorder and stole things.
I think that was like her thing, her secret because they all had,
like they all had secrets, you know?
But that became like less of a plot point as it went on.
But she was kind of funny. Like, I think her character
evolved to be more like down to earth And the comical one, I
would say, yeah, I don't know. I used to love Little Liars.
Then it got like, so insane. I mean, maybe it was insane
finish. It all did.
You. No, I never did.
I think I watched like some clips on YouTube, but it got so
crazy. I don't know if anyone listening
watched it probably, but yeah. I know.
I think I tried to watch like one episode or something and I
couldn't follow so. I read the books too, which they
didn't really like. Stick to the books, but I used
to be, like, obsessed. Yeah.
So I'm I'm kind of invested in this episode.
Yeah, yeah, 2. Two former people that used to.
Yeah, yeah. Follow.
Yeah. Although I was more into um,
Aria, Lucy Hale, Lucy Hill, yeah.
I feel like Lucy Hale doesn't hang out with the rest of the
girls. If you look on Instagram, it's
like Shane Mitchell and. Shane Mitchell's beautiful.
She's so good. And Ashley Benson and then the
other one. I played Spencer.
I don't know her name. Troy and.
Yeah, they always are. Like a little threesome.
Weird Lucy Hale. Interesting.
Lucy, if you're listening, what's up with that?
Yeah. But yeah, I guess I'll just,
I'll get into it guys. So Ashley Benson as we talked
about, so she's from Anaheim Hills, CA.
Disneyland, right? California girl.
Yeah, California girl. Her mom's name is Shannon.
That's my. Middle name?
Wow. She's.
A mom. Her mom, Shannon.
Her dad. His name is Jeff.
He owned grocery stores. Mine.
Still some. You know, they're upper middle
class. Yeah.
She's an older sister. Shailene.
Her family's. Like that name?
Yeah, I like it. Too, her family's very Christian
and conservative. And some people in Reddit do
think that her mom is a little bit homophobic.
So, you know, I can't speak to that.
I don't know if that's the case, but she is a little bit less,
like, vocal about being queer than Kara is, so maybe that has
to do with it. But also she is like love is
love. So she does post the like
private stuff. Her name?
Nickname. Did you know this?
It's Benzo. I didn't know Benzo.
So if you're saying. Can we refer to her as that?
That's what I'm talking about. I have a feeling like based off
of like her mom's Instagram that I went through that like there
was maybe a little bit of stage parent fish just looking at
pictures of her from when she was young.
And I don't know if that's really the case, but she began
dance at three years old. And from dance she did a lot of
modeling and like dance catalogs.
And then from that at age 7, she was signed by Ford Models.
And then from there she did like a ton of commercials and like a
ton of modeling, she said. At the time, it wasn't cool to
be on TV every week. I was working on commercials and
all the kids would see me. I got bullied and I hated it.
But I was really proud and it made it me more determined to
get on TV. My parents said if I did I could
be home schooled. That's why I tried and tried and
tried and when I did, it was the best day of my life, which.
I find it so hard to believe that.
But maybe it's true. Like maybe the other kids just
resent child actors and. Also, like, don't believe it.
I feel like in elementary school, like being on TV seemed
like the coolest. Thing in the world.
Like even if you were literally walking into a store and you
were on like the security camera TV, like, yeah, I thought that
was so. I know what you mean.
So I find I still think it's cool to be on the security
camera we always. On TV, on TV.
So and like even if someone was like in a local like they would
air our talent show on like the local TV and it was so cool.
So I really find it hard to believe that kids would make fun
of someone for being in a commercial.
Yeah, I mean, in my school I feel like the.
Well, I guess this is like a. No way.
It's not failed yet, but I was gonna say, I, the most popular
girl in my school was like, in pageants.
Yeah, you know, And she literally was beautiful and
popular. So and like, the guy that was in
the plays, everyone had crushes on him, you know?
So, like, is that true? I know, like the school.
Everybody's always saying that, yeah.
Maybe it's all about perception though.
Like people are only like aware of other people's perception of
them. So maybe to her like if someone.
Was not the nicest to her. She thinks like, oh, it's
because I'm on TV. Yeah, maybe.
I'm sure. Like even the people I'm talking
about, maybe a couple people made fun of them or something,
and then they, you know, can't forget it.
Sad. Is this microphone picking up
sound? Oh wait, should be.
Then at 13, she was cast on Days of Our Lives, which she starred
on from 2004 to 2007. Mmhmm.
During that time she also was 1/6 chick in.
Teen going on 30. Oh really?
Yeah, which I actually watched last week.
So she's just in the background. As you know.
She also was on Pretty Little Liars, which we talked about.
That's really like what she's known for.
But she also did the Spring Breakers movie.
Oh. Yeah, I saw that.
Oh really? I haven't seen it.
And like a bring it on film. And she's done other stuff too.
But she's known for Pretty Little Liars and before dating
Cara, she has been. Linked to JJ Thorne.
I think he's a singer. I don't know.
Ryan Good. I don't know who that is.
Cord Overstreet from Glee. Who did he play?
Was his name Sam? He was blonde.
He came in like later. Sounds.
Familiar. Yeah.
James Franco, supposedly. Oh, he's in Spring Breakers.
Yeah. So that would make sense.
Tyler Blackburn. Oh, he was on PLO.
Oh, was he really OK? I feel like, so uncultured.
I don't know who any of these. People are.
Yeah, I forgot about that. Oh my God, they were a couple on
the. Show Were they really?
And did they actually date like I?
Guess yeah, I'm getting flashbacks to thinking that was
so cute. Maybe we can cover it and
supposedly not Wolf. Really.
Wow. Like he's dated everybody.
Naked brothers. Yeah, from the Naked Brothers
Fam. So yeah, that's Ashley.
For ya? Isn't she friends with Kristen
Stewart? Yes, she's good friends with our
girl Kristen and hangs out with like Kristen's.
You know, non famous friends as well.
Wow. So.
For those who maybe don't know, I don't know how you wouldn't
notice, but we used to host a Twilight Pocket.
Yeah. So that makes me like seem
Ashley, in this automatically that like, yeah, if Kristen.
Is good friends with her. She must be cool.
Oh, yeah. I didn't ask.
Well, I guess we're not at the couple part yet, but I want to
ask my question. Oh yeah.
How would you describe this relationship with three words?
My gosh, I. Should have prepared for this.
Be raw. I would say flirty.
Oh, flirty, fun, and amicable. OK, nice.
Yeah, that's what I would. Say, cool.
So different. Yeah, it is different.
Yeah. So then we got Cara, Miss Cara,
Jocelyn Delevingne, born in 1992 in London, England.
Her. OK, that's cool.
I know I've already, I've already like, hinted this to
you, but if there's any. Definition for like a nepotism
baby, it's Cara Delevingne and you.
Any one of the connections that she has in her family is enough
to be super famous and successful like she is.
But it just is endless. Like if you're looking at her
family tree, like there's always another branch where there's
like another super famous influential person.
It's crazy. It's like there's honestly way
too much to even, but I'll like, give you the basics.
So her great, great grandfather was someone named Sir Edward
Holton, the media tycoon, and he owned what is now known as the
Daily Mail. So there's that.
And then her maternal grandfather, his name is Jocelyn
Stevens. He owned Queen Magazine, which
he bought at just 25 years old. Which today is known as Harper's
Bazaar. Oh.
Wow. And he hired A photographer
named Anthony Armstrong Jones, who became the future husband of
Princess Margaret. And through that he met his soon
to be wife Kara's grandmother, Janie Sheffield.
Who was the lady in waiting for Princess Margaret.
What so her grandparents like, hung around with.
Like royalty like all the time. Like they would just like go
golfing and stuff and have parties with like Princess
Margaret and like. She's basically like Princess
Diana. Yeah, you know, Yeah, like that
kind of social circle. Yeah, seriously.
Like and and just the fact that they own like all these tabloids
and magazines like they owned kind of like, you know, the
media and and then this is all on her mom's side.
And so together, her grandparents, they're super rich
and we're really like in the royalty circle.
As I mentioned, they had five kids and then they divorced 23
years later, her grandparents. And so they have five kids.
One of her their kids is Pandora, who's Cara's mom, and
she worked as a personal shopper at Selfridges, which she landed
because. OKI didn't actually explain the
same. OK, cut that off.
So Kara's grandparents divorced after 23 years, and then her
grandfather went on to date a woman named Vivian Duffield for
almost 30 years, and she was the heiress of Selfridges in
England. So.
Kara's mom, Pandora, was worked as a personal shopper growing up
at Selfridges through that connection.
And her mom was like, also super famous or not famous but like
was in the circles of like, royalty in England.
And she was often like photographed out with Sarah
Ferguson and just like, you know, like as the friend going
out and about, oh. My.
God unrelated to her family, her godfather also.
Is Nicholas Coleridge, who is it executive at Conde Nast?
So he basically owns like? Is in control of everything
under Conde Nast like he is. They do vote.
Yeah, so he's like Anna Winter's boss, her godfather.
So obviously it's quite easy for Cara Delevine to make it into
the magazine. That's so true.
Oh. My.
Godmother is also actress Joan Collins, who's like a Dame, I
think. Same.
I'm so jealous. Yeah, and you think like, okay,
this is her mom said Her dad's side is like, must be the like,
more like, you know, normal now her dad.
So he's a property developer. He's the son of publishing
socialite Angela Delevingne, whose father was the chief
secretary of Ireland. And her mother was the head of
The Washington Times. Copy developer That's like Chuck
Bass. Yeah, yeah.
So there. She's rich in like every single
Ave. of her life. I will say there is struggle in
her family. Her mom was addicted to heroin.
Oh my. God.
But before Cara was born. No, I mean, even though people
are extremely wealthy, do you think that that can cause a lot
of? Problems.
No, it really does. It does.
And her mom had bipolar disorder as well, so she grew up like not
necessarily in like the happiest environment she had said.
Everyone has something they go through with their family.
My life I feel was very stressful because there was
quite a lot of chaos. Not being sure people were OK or
not, that is. Tough.
And she had. Well, she still has them older
sisters, Poppy and Chloe. They're also models.
I've. Heard of them.
Yeah, definitely didn't have the eyebrows that Kara the launcher
into success, but Kara grew up literally super, super red.
She was lived in a multimillion dollar estate in Belgravia.
She attended B Dali School, which is a boarding school in
Hampshire, England. But at 17 she dropped out.
So Daily Mail originally reported, like, back in, like
2011 that she dropped out to pursue a career in modeling
because soon after that she signed with Burberry.
But interviews years later, she attributed dropping out to
mental health problems. So I don't know, like if it's a
little bit of both, maybe, maybe, she said I dropped out
and I really just wanted to be able to prove that I wasn't the
deadbeat that I thought I was. When you have mental health
struggles, you can't see anything.
It blinds you. And she also has said that she
suffered with anxiety and depression, like especially at
that age she was struggling to understand her sexuality, I
think as a part of it. I think sometimes it can be many
things. Yeah, at the same.
Time she might be like this isn't really working out for me
and I want to do modeling. So, yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Well, it's like.
It's not working out for me. I don't like school.
I could just be a model, yeah. Why wouldn't you?
Exactly so. But her first modeling job was
actually at age 10 for Vogue Italy.
So already she had a Vogue shoe. And then in 2011, there was a
huge influx of articles about Cara and her sisters, largely in
the Daily Mail. Which, you know, her family has
so much pull of the Daily Mail. So you could kind of see how her
success was like literally handed to her.
Like they would all be, all these articles were like, who
are the dynasty sisters? Like who are these Delevingne
sisters up and coming and people would literally come in like who
the fuck is this? Oh my God.
Yeah, they create. I mean, this is how Pearl works
for everybody, but like, they just created.
Celebrities out of them. Yeah, seriously.
Made them socialites. Yeah.
My God, it is like Gossip Girl. Kind of like, yeah, just kind of
forced her to become the ick girl with how much the tabloids
wrote about her for like, no reason.
I really feel like she played such a huge role and I don't
know if it was like her decision or whatever, but like
transformed. Beauty.
Yeah, in the early 2010. So, like, yeah, the eyebrows
thing. Huge.
Yeah, I mean. Skinny eyebrows was like in
small eyebrows for the longest time.
Then all of a sudden it's like. Getting brow pencils and.
You know? Yeah.
And I feel like we are still kind of in that.
Yeah. And I'm thankful because we have
huge eyebrows. I don't.
Wanna go back to? That no.
It's probably only a matter of time.
I had a. Friend Kristen, who she's, I
mean, she's still my friend, but back in the day when we were
that age, she had the most beautiful thick.
Like black eyebrows, but she had blonde hair and she was so, so
beautiful and she was so insecure about it.
And she literally dyed her hair brown to mash her eyebrows.
And like, she and I remember one time like we would do little
photo shoots. And, like, get dressed up.
Yeah. And I even made her eyebrows a
little bit thicker so they'd be, like, even more striking.
And she got so mad at me. Really.
Yeah. But I hope that, like, she feels
differently. I mean, I haven't asked her.
Yeah, I hope so about her eyebrows, because I think
they're gorgeous. That is a beautiful combination.
Yeah. Like when my first and I know
coming to mind was this guy that I was friends with in high
school and he had like blondish hair but dark eyebrows.
Yeah, I feel like. That was a reason why he was,
like, attractive. Yeah, it makes your eyes pop.
Yeah. I mean, my eyebrows are too
bushy though. Like, if I did nothing to them,
they're like crazy. But.
That needs to become more. I know fucking boys like the boy
brows. I have Eugene Levy like
eyebrows, naturally. So some people don't even you
don't even like pluck yours, right?
I do like a little bit, but like, not really.
I'm horrible at it. Just once in a while.
Be like, OK, there's some stray hairs.
I need to go, but mine are truly double the size that they are
now. If I don't touch them, it's
terrible. But yeah, thank you Kara.
Like that actually really made a difference for so many people,
so. I feel like you can still have
small eyebrows. Like, you know what I mean?
I don't think if you have thin eyebrows, it's like.
Exactly what you're doing. But but there's nothing worse
than having to, like, remove. Yeah, like half your eyebrows.
It's painful. I actually used to like pre
Cara. I did pluck my eyebrows a lot
and my eyebrow looks so small and.
Things. They were like 1 inch like, I
don't know. I mean, some people would
literally shave off their eyebrows and like, draw it on.
Yeah, I. Know, you know.
So that like really made a difference.
We gotta get give credit or credits due.
But yeah, she like not. She's not only a model, she's
also started acting around that time.
She was in Anna Karenina, Paper Towns, Kids in Love, etcetera.
So she's. Girls, many talents.
She also. She had some scandals, though.
In 2013 she was photographed dropping cocaine outside of her.
Apt. I remember that, yeah.
And people online said that she's a pretty regular cocaine
user. How did her family, like, not
stop that? I don't know They didn't need to
publish that unless they wanted it.
Maybe they, you know, I bet they stopped a lot of things.
Maybe that one just. Yeah, that's true, Yeah.
Maybe it was already out there or something.
Yeah, I should look up like who? Who originally reported that.
That'd be crazy if it was like the Daily Mail, because.
Then that is like Gossip Girl. It's like, whoa, wait, why is
spoiler? Yeah, skip ahead the next couple
of seconds if you haven't watched it.
But why is Dan posting about himself or his sister or his
girlfriend? Yeah, that's.
So true. Hey, all press is good press,
you know? So, like, what's going to
happen? Like, she's not going to get
arrested. True.
Actually, maybe she has been arrested.
Maybe she wanted the good girl. Well, I don't know if she ever
had a good girl image, but like, yeah, to have more of a party
girl vibe. Yeah, and I think she does, like
I would say, Cara seems. Pretty edgy before.
Before dating Kara. I mean Ashley, she dated Saint
Vincent, Jack O'Connell, Michelle Rodriguez.
Actually think she was dating Michelle Rodriguez recently.
Harry Styles very briefly rumored Jake Bug and Miley
Cyrus. And she officially came out as
pansexual in 2017. Yeah, so.
Actually didn't know she. I did Miley.
I think just briefly, like I think it probably was when Miley
and Liam were broken up after bangers.
That's quite a duo. I know.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
I know. I think that's too much.
You need to have a balance of personalities.
Yeah. OK.
And now I'm going to reveal some scandalous stuff.
So just some context. Who knows if this is true, but
there have been blind items online about Cara.
Like she's supposedly had a threesome with Elon Musk and
Amber Heard. And while Amber Heard was, this
is all allegedly. But while Amber Heard was like
married to Johnny Depp, so that like Amber Heard cheated on
Johnny Depp with Elon Musk and Cara Delevingne, supposedly
there's rumors of it online. I don't know if it's true.
But it's not crazy do. You think it could be true?
I think it's true. I know that the podcast Fluently
Forward thinks it's true. The girl, Shannon on that.
It's not outside the realm of possibility seems.
Wait, has there been any? I don't know if you know this,
like interaction between her and Elon or anything like online or
Let. Me see you.
Don't have to know this. Should I look it up?
I mean, he does seem to like, hook up with people a lot.
So Oh yeah, he's a little slut. It's been reported in Newsweek
even that they had a three-way of care.
So like, OK, it's like a very Google.
No, it's not like on Reddit. Like, we really can.
A lot of places have. Even Bollywood Life has reported
on this. This is random, but I feel like
a lot of. Indian publications seem to know
a lot of gossip. I don't know how.
Have you noticed that? No, I don't know.
That is interesting. Because I would.
I don't know how they know this, but I would have the for the
Twilight podcast emails sent to me about Robin, Kristen and
stuff. And a lot of them were like
Bollywood Life and India Times or something.
There's supposedly pictures of them, I think in an elevator
together here. Hmm.
Oh my gosh, we're so gossip. Ohh, it's posted by the Daily
Mail. Hmm.
Oh my. Guys, I'm looking at a picture.
I can tell that's Amber Heard or Cara Delevingne.
It's a picture of a blonde woman in, like a robe.
And Elon Musk, is it? Does look like.
Him, Yeah. Apparently this is in Johnny
Depp's. OK, this is Amber Heard.
I don't know where Cara comes into play here.
I would not sleep with Elon Musk.
Yeah, I don't think. I would I just like it makes me
like question like. Maybe he's, like, really
charming I. Don't know, yeah, maybe would
entice. Her.
Anyway. Anyway, so that's just like some
contacts. It doesn't have anything to do
with her and Ashley, but I think it's good to keep it in mind for
later on. Ohh.
Just to know. Interesting, but.
With this podcast, we are going to try to have a little bit of
tunnel vision, focusing on the couple itself.
So like, we're not going to really get into like them and
their other lovers. That's a different episode,
Different episode. But yeah, so Cara and Ashley,
how did they come to be? They they met 2018 on the set of
a film that they did together called Her Smell.
Yeah. I've heard of that.
Movie Think it's about a band or something?
Yeah. Has Elizabeth Moss when Cairo
met Ashley? Yep, that's where they met.
So they're both in this film and then they're photographed
together just hanging out. In May 2018 are photographed
holding hands at Lucky Strike and Soho.
But cool, the press doesn't like.
Say that they're together. They think like maybe they're
just gal pals, you know? Pictures also came out of the
two of them at a parking meter where Kara has her arms wrapped
around Ashley. Also, that month, a fan tweeted
that they were at SNL and saw the two of them making out
together, so it seems kind of official.
Also, DJ Cole Collette posted an Instagram picture of the two of
them on. Instagram a few days later
hanging out. Yeah, sorry, I just really but.
I guess, I guess at this point like still people might feel
like. Yeah, there are a few articles
now that are like are they dating but they're really not
sure. And then also Ashley posted a
selfie of them together that is like blurry and it just says
after fifty tries we got a blurry 1.
Then of June, they posed together in somebody's Instagram
story. I don't know.
Wait. What year is this?
2018 So kind of a while ago, I just graduated college.
Cara Doesn't Instagram Live to say that she's taking over Pop
Sugar's Instagram? No, actually, I'm sorry, Ashley
doesn't Instagram Live. To say that she's taking over
Pop Sugar's Instagram for a paid promotion for some gummy
products actually does a lot of like, paid promotion stuff and
Oh yeah, so interesting. And Cara writes, you know how
when someone doesn't Instagram live, other people can like,
write in the yeah, the comments. So Cara writes a lot of things
in the comments. Like she says I want you as my
gummy. Oh wow.
And Ashley nervously laughs and says you're the worst.
And then during the live, Kara writes in the chat, Do you miss
me? And Ashley giggles and says yes.
Oh my God. And then someone asked Ashley
what her favorite thing to do in her free time is, and Kara
writes me, I know it's obviously been together.
Then Kara also writes, What else do you like to do in your free
time? I don't think Ashley responded
to that though. Yeah, Cara does seem very
forward. Yeah, like Ashley was a little
nervous or. Something.
Yeah, definitely. And they're also photographed
leaving a Britney Spears concert in New York together.
Okay. So in August 2018, Ashley posts
an Instagram selfie wearing a necklace that says the letters C
and then the letter A on it. So Kara and Ashley in one thing.
Yeah, And I didn't. In California they're Oh yeah,
double s up. But I didn't realize that their,
like, couple name is a BCD. Wait.
How? Ashley Benson?
Oh yeah. Ashley Benson, Cara Delevingne,
ABCD It's cool, yeah. Also in August, Cara has a
little birthday party for herself.
Ashley goes to that, and then they're photographed kissing.
At the airport in London. Together.
So they're together. Yeah, they've been really.
They've been together since May, May or April.
September. Cara posted a photo of her
wearing a gold dress. This is interesting.
And Ashley commented mine on the picture of Cara.
And then another comment that says I can see your sushi emoji.
But then hours later, Ashley posts an Instagram story saying
that she was hacked and those comments are deleted.
She's like, I just got off the plane.
I was hacked. So it wasn't her who posted
that. It's calm.
Is that? Really all a hacker would do.
I know that's what I don't got, I.
Might be just like so lame and ignorant but.
What exactly is meant by the sushi?
Well, I assume that. Sushi.
I don't. I wouldn't use sushi for this.
But I assume that's like your pussy, right?
That's what I was thinking. To do I feel like honestly.
What else could I guess? Yeah, I mean, I think, right,
Yeah. But I wouldn't necessarily use
sushi as an emoji for I feel like Taco is what people do,
right? Yeah.
The eggplants, obviously. Yeah, you know.
But that's interesting. Like, was she hacked?
I don't know if she. Was hacked.
Wouldn't it be more like go to my page?
Yeah. Exactly.
Why would they just do that? They'd be like Bitcoin, blah
blah blah what? Else did they say?
I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't really make
sense. So then in October they go to a
magic mic show. And also Speaking of magic,
Ashley posted a picture of a neon sign that said you are
magic and Cara commented yes you are on it.
So very flirty displays of affection, which is sweet.
Like I feel like people miss that in a way that.
Is sweet, I know Cara does seem very.
Yeah, yeah. Where is Ashley's?
More private, Like a source who knows if it's true told U.S.
magazine that Ashley is very happy but prefers to keep things
on the down low. And she did go on record saying,
like, I just don't like to like talk about my relationships.
Then they're just, you know, photograph for the rest of the
year, like out and about. They spend Christmas together in
London. And Ashley's birthday is in
December, so Kara rents it out seemingly the entire National
History Museum in London. Oh my God, and posted a picture
of a double bed in the museum surrounding Christmas trees and
candles. Oh my God.
Two days after Ashley's birthday.
So people think that was like a birthday present for her.
That is so extra. I know, I know.
And I wonder. If.
Did they sleep in the bed? Did they do stuff in the bed?
Did they spend the night in the museum?
How was that there? I don't know.
That must be so expensive. She really was spoiling her
girl. Oh my God, so.
I can't whistle hobo hobo. So the relationship really is
like, they're in the honeymoon stage, OK, now it's 2019, they
go to the mall. Maldives with friends and
Someone posts a picture of Ashley grabbing Kara's by
February. Paparazzi snaps a photo of them
kissing in West Hollywood. March, they go to or.
Kara is on RuPaul's podcast and she talks a lot about sex and
how much she loves sex and would rather stay inside and have sex
and go to a club. And she says that she's a
dominant top and sometimes struggles to receive.
Interesting. But she said she likes to
receive but just doesn't know. Like isn't always comfortable
receiving. Interesting.
I know she like, literally. It's just so funny because
Ashley's like, I'm private. I'm a private person.
And Ashley, Carol opposite, Yeah, completely.
She didn't name Ashley at all in this podcast, but she really
didn't hold back at all talking about her private life.
My God. Yeah, that's interesting.
Also the stylist Jamie Miserari don't know how to say it posted
a picture of Kara and Ashley cuddling after a Chanel fashion
show and it says post show cuddle.
I have a picture actually. It's like in a car.
Cute. So yeah, they're together.
I. Love Kara's hair there.
What do you think of the partner that you know doesn't want to
talk about it that much? Do you think like?
I don't know. I think sorry they're related
back to this, but it's reminding.
Me of Rob and Chris, Yeah, that's.
What I was. Thinking.
Of sorry guys, but, like, I always felt a little sad that
Rob was so private. It was like, Oh my God, does he
really care? Yeah.
But I don't know. For some reason, now that I'm
hearing about this relationship, I'm like, I don't think that
means anything to be private, you know?
Yeah, well, it seems like she's private with other relationships
as well. She I was listening to her on
Paris Hilton's podcast and she was like, I'm the one person who
doesn't call the paparazzi, which is so interesting.
It's like admitting that other people do look at paparazzi
Photos look like crap, Like crap.
So she just might be just a naturally private person.
But. I don't know.
I think it could create issues if like one person is not like
care is definitely more open it's.
Even a thing for just us regular people.
Like sometimes there's one person in the relationship who
loves to post on social media and stuff and that's kind of
like a modern phenomenon, but and then the other one doesn't
and. Then maybe.
Other ones like do you even love me?
You never post about me or something?
Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
I do sometimes think it is a red flag if someone doesn't post
their significant other. I know.
I've always kind of felt that too.
Because it's like, what are you hiding?
Like why don't you want people to know?
Especially for like us normal people like, I don't know.
Yeah, it's. Like, really?
Like an invasion of privacy if. Couple 100 people see.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, I totally understand it
like not wanting to, but like if you never post, yeah that's kind
of odd because then it Plex if it makes if it looks like you're
single online. And it it is just kind of sad if
your boyfriend or girlfriend is posting tons of pictures and
you've never posted anything. Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, like we can infer things based off of that.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to date someone who.
Like never ever acknowledges me publicly because I would think
that they're ashamed of me or something and I wouldn't want
other people to think like, why isn't?
Why aren't they posting her? Yeah, it's interesting.
Yeah, but actually doesn't stay, like, incredibly private like
she. She softens.
I do think it's a little different for celebrities.
Yeah, completely. Actually in April that you're
actually does post on Instagram picture where she's lying on on
Kara's chest and this is like to promote their movie, her smell
and it says Roxy plus Cassie. I don't know if they're dating
in the film, haven't seen it, but that's sweet.
So May of that year, oh this is tough, someone commented.
Very bigoted stuff on Ashley's Instagram telling her that she
needs to date a religious man, he wrote.
I'm serious. You need to stay away from the
devil and never go back. I'm sure many strong, handsome
religious men would take you up in a heartbeat.
You are not like this. You are not gay.
You love men and you need one. Who was?
That I don't know. I think so.
And then? Ashley wrote you need to mind
your own business, Stop making things up and then Kara wrote
you were fucking disgusting. If you have a problem with true
love then come and say this shit to my face instead of
pathetically hating through Instagram.
I genuinely feel sorry for you. You clearly are not happy with
your lives and you have far too much time on your hands.
Maybe get a job that doesn't involve being homophobic and
hating others for being happy. So sweet that Kara wrote that
but. That sucks.
She was called the devil. I know, I know.
I think Ashley, for whatever reason, did get, like, more hate
comments about like, dating Cara.
Should we turn the light on? It is getting like dark and all
of a sudden we're in the dark. Beautiful.
Mel has these string lights, vines, so pretty.
May this is such a big. May 2019.
Such a big month for them because they were photographed
carrying a sex bench into Kara's house.
What? You haven't seen that?
No. OK, wait.
I have to pull it up. Wait, I.
Don't even know what a sex bench is.
It's like, see the pictures. Oh my God.
So someone like it's. Really.
A label on the outside of the picture?
Yeah, and someone like, lies in it with bondage.
I don't know. I kind of like, don't know like
what they do with it, but they're.
Like, really necessary. You could just do that on a bed,
but whatever. I honestly think it could be
more trouble than it's worth. Like you really would have to
like, I don't know, work your core or something and.
I feel like rich people get into the mean.
Sorry, maybe all people do, but get into like, the sex room
stuff. Well this costed like over
$400.00, so I feel like most regular people probably wouldn't
spend that kind of money they. Have like their own room for
these. Things, yeah, like sex dungeons.
But I love how they're smiling in it.
It's funny. How?
OK, how did the paparazzi just catch that?
Yeah, kind of weird. Oh, Daily Mail post it.
I can imagine Ashley as a private person, probably didn't
love this, but but apparently Cara had to move after this
because people like knew where she lived.
Yeah, so I don't really know how that works.
Daily Mail reported it interesting.
Yeah, I mean maybe like if other places like already reported it,
I mean, maybe she doesn't have as much poll there.
Yeah, after all, like, maybe they're like, we did everything
we could for you. I don't know.
She's fine with. It, Yeah, honestly.
Well, she laughed about it. Years later she gave an
interview, like, and they asked her about it and she said this
picture is hysterical and the bench was very heavy.
Oh my God. In June, Carib hosts a video
from their movie together and they're kissing and the caption
is just like #pride. Kara's also asked why she went
public with their relationship and she said, I don't know
because it's Pride. It's been 50 years since
Stonewall happened and I don't know, it's just about our one
year anniversary. So why not?
Which I think is kind of weird because like they're not really
going public June 2019, like everyone has no other day
though, like like they literally posted, you know?
The picture of the bed for the birthday, like they already had
a soft launch. Yeah, that doesn't seem kind of
homophobic to ask that. I know, like.
Would you ask a straight couple? No, definitely not.
And you decide to go public. They also went to Zoe Kravitz
wedding to someone named Carl Kluzman.
I was like, huh? I didn't know if she got married
in 2019. That must have been a really
short marriage. So.
Confused. Yeah, because I feel like she's
been dating Channing Tatum for a while now.
I know it's 2022. Yeah, it was.
Only a couple years ago. Not that long ago.
So I got, like, more into that Damn September.
They attend the US Open together.
They photograph kissing. Nice.
See. Yeah, not much to say, like.
Yeah, Karen Kara's got her arm around her.
October, Kara answers a question about Ashley to Access
Hollywood. I'll play the tape.
She's playing the tape and. It's great to see Ashley here as
well. How supportive is she and how do
you inspire each other to make a difference?
She's incredibly supportive. We inspire each other by lifting
each other, by holding each other, you know?
Not all of us, not both of us, can always be strong, so it's
being strong for each other what we need to be cute also, Kara
told Elle magazine. I don't want to be so secretive
that people think I'm ashamed of anything, but I've never been in
a relationship where things are so public or where I posted a
picture of someone else. This seems different.
We had gotten to the point where we had kept it a secret, or at
least not wanted attention. And now I feel like I'm not
going. I'm going to not be proud, and
now I feel like I'm not going to not be proud.
Don't think it is. Yeah, that's right.
Now I feel like I'm not going to not be proud.
Now I feel like I'm going to be proud.
Yeah, and that was confusing. OK, so this is really like, I
feel like Kara's telling us here that this really is her first
super serious relationship then. Yeah, sounds like.
It her first like Instagram official one, so they're really
in love. Wow.
In December, Carib hosts an Instagram for Ashley that says
Happy Birthday at Ashley Benson. There's so much I could say, but
something I love and cherish, cherish most about us is that I
don't need to. Because you know, and that's all
that matters. It's you and me, which is my
favorite, my safe place. You let me be silly, You let me
be wild. You keep me free, secure and
curious. I feel like I've known you my
entire life and I'm so proud of watching you grow into the woman
that you always dreamt of being. I love you beyond words.
My sprinkles. Chongchi Angel face, grumpy ass
sweet cheeks, never boring butt munch.
Benson. Yeah.
That's really. Cute.
I know she is really cute. I feel like it's always Ashley's
birthday as well. Then on Ashley's.
Yeah, like the whole timeline is like Big Ashley birthday
moments. And there's a photo dump and one
of them, it's a picture. Some of them actually kissing in
a bathtub together so that all look good on our Instagram.
Meanwhile, Ashley posts I was surprised on my 30th birthday.
Morocco has always been a place I've wanted to visit.
I faced so many fears and took on new adventures with my best
friend by my side. I couldn't have asked for
anything better. I love you at Cara Delevingne.
Thank you for making my birthday the best yet.
So again, she's really spoiling it.
Ashley. And yeah, she posted a lot of
pictures of them in Morocco together.
Yeah, they're like in a hot air balloon.
That's crazy. Super romantic.
They went offroading. Oh.
My gosh. I mean, Ashley's got that money
to spend on her. I mean Kara.
Sorry, it must be interesting. I mean, it's not like Ashley
isn't rich, but it must be odd. I feel like to be someone even
in. Ashley's position?
Dating someone so much richer than yeah.
I know they must have to talk about it, you know, in some way.
Or yeah, they could see that being kind of tough.
When I was doing the research for this podcast, it was like a
day that I was feeling particularly poor, though it was
like annoying me. Yeah.
Just, I can't even imagine, like, not having to worry about
money and that you can just, like, take someone on a surprise
trip for their birthday. To Morocco, yeah.
Rent out the museum. Yeah.
Oh my God. Yeah.
Something like, I feel like I'll never be able to even bad them
crazy. OK, now we're in 2020, so Karen,
Ashley both post a picture of each other kissing on Instagram
for Valentine's Day and it's like one of those things.
It's like for every picture you post.
You know, a donation to stand up to cancer.
So it's not like a romantic caption.
It's just like a charity kiss. Then March 2020.
This is when COVID happened. So it seems like based off of
like posts, they're quarantining together, like hanging out
together. You guys might remember that
they actually appeared in GAIL Gadot's Imagine music video.
They sing that you may say that I'm a dreamer.
Line didn't. Remember.
That with Kaya Gerber, which they also post a lot of tik toks
with Kaya. I thought it was so strange,
like not that it matters, but like that they're I always hang
out with Kaya Gerber. Because she's way younger.
She's way younger. At this time, 2020.
Kaya Gerber is 18 years old, Kara is 27 and Ashley is 30
years old. And I like, I know that they're
like models and stuff, but. I just here at 26, like I
wouldn't even hang out with an 18 year.
Old Yeah, I know. So odd.
Like, maybe if they're your sister, but.
Yeah, just like hanging out. Like, yeah, what are you talking
about, 30? Yeah. 30 years.
Old, I know. I don't know what to say, yeah.
It's just. Interesting.
Yeah. It's just think about.
It's just weird because, well, I think the reason I think it's
weird is. Because Kaya Gerber, I think
that's how she got on the scene. She's just hanging out with all
these models. Like, to me that doesn't seem
organic. Yeah, that's true.
She's also nepotism, nepotism. Cindy Crawford is her mom, but.
But yeah, I mean. But did you feel like she came
out of nowhere? Kaya Gerber?
Kind of, yeah. And you just wonder, like, what
do you do with an 18 year old? Like are they drinking and
stuff? Like, I don't know, just kind of
weird. Yeah, it is odd.
Feel like? Is John home?
No, she's. Not just people out.
Yeah, Let. Me do this like this lights
aren't bright enough. But yeah so they're very like
posting stuff online during this.
Like it seems like they just got TikTok they posted TikTok of
them lip syncing. Do you know the clip of Kourtney
Kardashian, Scott Disick where Courtney is like.
A BCDEFGI have to go. No.
OK, yeah, it doesn't really make sense.
And Scott's like, what did you say?
And she's just like a BCDEFG and so they posted them like lip
syncing that, but I think it's just interesting because a BCD
is their coupling, you think? Those on purpose.
I don't know, maybe it could be. Do people call them like a BCD?
Yeah, yeah, so I just thought. That's an interesting
coincidence, you know. And they posted a few more of
them, like doing other Kardashian stuff.
April Ashley posted Instagram promoting a cover of the song
Creep that she recorded with G Eazy He.
Dated Lana for a minute. Did he really?
Yeah. I don't know much about G Eazy,
but so Kara does not like her comment on this post.
Interesting. Wait, who recorded Kara or
Ashley? Ashley.
Did I say Cara? No, I just.
Don't OK, yeah, Ashley posted this.
Later on Cara gives an interview where she said that this time
period, the pandemic was the most trying time for her.
Which is probably because, OK, I didn't explain this.
Why Cara and Ashley? Broke up before the song or
after? I don't know.
It's interesting timing, so. A source just said Cara and
Ashley always had their ups and downs before, but now.
But it's over now. Their relationship just ran its
course. I.
Feel like a lot of people broke up during the pandemic.
They did, yeah. So Cara later makes it seem like
it's like maybe for just like claustrophobia.
And but she also said that that made the breakup harder, 'cause
like she had less distractions. But is that really the reason?
Because Ashley is then photographed in May with J Eazy,
who she is now dating. Still.
Yeah, she's still. With.
Him. Yeah.
So it's just kind of weird that she recorded a song with him in
April. Yeah.
The same month that her and Kara broke up.
Yeah. And the next month she's like.
Out. She's dating her.
Yeah, So rumor starts spreading that she cheated on Kara.
But then Kara posed an Instagram story that says.
It's more important now than ever to spread love, not hate.
Everyone hating on Ashley Benson, please stop.
You don't know the truth. Only her and I do.
And that's exactly how it should be.
Oh, that's sweet of. Her I Know and Ashley reshared
this order Instagram with a pink heart emoji.
I mean, people don't know that she's hated.
Like sometimes people just, it's it's weird, but sometimes people
do starting someone. Right away, yeah.
And then Ashley likes a fan post saying can't Ashley have friends
now? Stop saying Ashley cheated or
even Cara. They just need friends right now
more than ever. Yeah, I know that's very
wholesome. I know I didn't see and Ashley
Ashley was appreciative of that. So now we're in December.
Now there's a blind item though that's again this all alleged
that says. About this blind item She is
best known for her role on a very popular young adult
oriented television show that is no longer on the air.
Frankly, it's amazing that she even has time to work with the
amount of dating she does. Her last five or six
relationships have all been with celebrities.
Well, at least one of those relationship was rather beardy
in nature. There were a couple of real and
serious relationships in there as well, The most recent real
relationship. Was that with a famous fashion
model she dated for a couple of years.
Unfortunately, the model cheated on her and they broke up.
So now it's like, OK, people thought Ashley cheated on Kara,
but maybe Kara cheated on Ashley and we don't know, but we don't
know the reason I said that the Elon Musk thing might come back
into play. Amber Heard cheated on Johnny
Depp with Kara. Supposedly allegedly.
At this time period. No, no, but beforehand.
So makes you think like Oh well, carrot doesn't have an issue
with cheating and there are rumors that Cara is a notorious
cheater, but we don't know. My mind is just boggled with all
these people. I know, yeah.
There's too many people that play a lot of blonde people too.
Yeah, so true. A lot of blonde people.
So anyways, March 2021, Ashley gives an interview for Cosmo and
she isn't directly asked about her sexuality, but she's asked
about the Gate storyline and Pretty Little Liars, which is
like at this point years ago. So what storyline?
A gay storyline? Is there?
A gay? I said Gate.
No. Yeah, Shay Mitchell's character
is a lesbian. OK, so yeah, so Ashley Benson
has asked about that. So obviously it's like trying to
get her to talk about being gay. She says.
I'm not quite sure how many shows had that before ours.
It's important, especially in this day and age, to just be
true your true self and not feel judged by how your heart feels
and who you are as a human being and who your soul connects with.
I certainly feel that way about myself.
It's who I connect with. It's not about gender, anything
like that. And I think that's really
important for people to understand.
There's no reason that somebody should get bullied or talked
about or shut off for who they love.
I think acceptance right now it's everything, and the more we
can educate people about these topics, the better it will be
for everyone. It was like, I don't know, There
were some shows, I guess Degrassi and I don't know, But I
do feel like it was very new, that, like, there was a show
about four girls and one of them was gay, you know?
Yeah, it was a pretty big deal at the time.
So even though it wasn't even that long ago, it's crazy.
Yeah, seriously, actually. Like, I feel like in a show
prior would have been a much bigger deal too.
I mean, I actually didn't see Pretty Little Liars.
They treated it. But also that month Ashley was
on Paris Hilton's podcast and says that she just wrote and
directed a project, which actually don't really know what
that is over the past year, which helped her get through a
breakup and said it was annoying going through yet another
breakup publicly with someone else who was famous.
I think she was actually talking about J Eazy who I think they.
Temporarily broke up, but got back together.
I think they're very often on, but you know, by by saying
another breakup, she's also kind of talking about Ashley or Cara.
Sucks. Yeah.
And she said she, like, hates that part of fame, but like,
it's like what she signed up for.
Also April that year, Ashley likes a picture of Cara on
Instagram. In May of that year, Kara posts
a picture of herself crying on Instagram with the caption.
If you need to cry, just cry and know you are not alone.
Your tears will water your growing garden if you can fully
understand why it's raining. And Ashley likes the picture.
And she also likes the picture of Kara hanging out with friends
in May. In June, Kara says in Cosmo.
I don't feel like I've ever left a relationship so fucked up
that. It's been like I never want to
speak to that person again. I just love all people I was
ever with and want the best for them, you know what I mean?
I want to see them grow, see them happy.
So that's. Very sweet.
I know, yeah. So I really, truly feel like
there's no bad blood. Then Cara posts another picture
of herself cuddling with a dog and the caption is Big spoon,
Little Spoon. And Ashley likes the picture.
You know, this is a while after they dated.
So really, like, I don't think that, like, they really had a
bad breakup. Even if one of them cheated.
I think they, like it really did just run its course.
There's nothing salacious. That's nice.
Yeah. That's very hard to achieve,
even though Cara does. I mean, I don't know her, we
don't know these people, but like, she does seem like a
little crazy party. Or maybe, I don't know, maybe
she's cheated. Like, we don't know.
But she does seem to have like a really big heart.
She does like, I feel like, you know, if she were to cheat or
something, it's like kind of out of love.
Just for everybody. Everybody for humankind, like
it's not a malicious thing, yeah.
I do think she seems probably like a nice person, and Ashley
seems nice too. I love that she's friends with
Kristen Surib. OK, Speaking of, I don't want to
say this though, there was a blind item in May 2 months ago
from when we're recording this now that says this Foreign born
carries from London. Foreign born model slash Bad
actress. I mean kind of mean.
I'm not saying that the blind item is saying.
It says says she partied this week with an A list actress who
used to be in that awful book series turned franchise and they
ended up in bed together. So some people think that's
Kristen Stewart, but obviously I don't think it's Kristen Stewart
because Kristen Stewart is engaged.
Yeah. Could be just totally made-up.
Totally made-up, but also, but I guess I wouldn't say Ashley's an
A Lister but could you interpret that as an A list actress?
Used to be an awful book series turned franchise like Pretty
Little Liars. Was a book.
That's. True series that turned into a
series. But would someone call her a
list? No, I don't know.
I mean, this could truly be anybody, but people think it.
I don't know if she's gay or whatever queer.
Yeah, I mean, people do think it's Kara and Kristen, but I
don't want to spread that rumor because it's not true.
Yeah, it's not true. Debunked.
But you're just sharing what you heard.
Sharing what I heard for yeah, the people at home.
I guess also like all these relationships, we never know if
they're open or whatever you. Know exactly that's so true.
Like they might. Like that?
Yeah. So that's just, you know, a
rumor mill. Tread lightly with blind items
like that. She Ashley is still with G Eazy
to this day. She is, and Kara is reportedly
dating Minke MINKEI. Think it's a singer.
She's a singer, so I think they're like on good terms.
Is this the part where we rate how likely we think they are to
get back together? Yeah, what do you think?
I'm? Gonna say like this one is a
little bit higher, like I think I'm gonna say like 40%.
Mmhmm. I was gonna say like 50.
Yeah, like it would not be out of this World 50.
Percent chance. There's some couples we will
cover. It will be like 0.
But yeah, especially if one of them died, yeah.
Horrible. Yeah.
Well, maybe then we could say in heaven we'll they be together.
I know supposedly there isn't. Really.
If you believe in that, according to a priest I asked
one time about you. Yeah, it was like, I don't What
happens? Like, if you remarry, like, who
are you with? And he was like.
You weren't really with anyone. You're just like with God.
And that was like disappointing. Me.
That is disappointing. But I I guess if you're like if
if we do transcend like the limits of human emotions or
whatever the heck, like maybe you wouldn't have like,
possessiveness to people or. That's so true.
Yeah, you wouldn't care. We're all.
Just holding hands and. Yeah, and it's.
I don't know. I don't know what the heck
happens. But yeah, I know that's tough
for me to wrap my head around. I know, especially when I was
younger, I was like, I don't get how people get remarried.
Oh, I know. Who are they going to be with?
It's going to be so awkward. Oh my gosh, I think that.
It's a dog. Titanic.
Yeah. When on Rose finally gets to
heaven and her husband's like. Rose, I've been waiting for.
You waiting for you for 50 years?
Yeah. And then she starts kissing
Jack. Yeah, you just.
Have three beautiful children. Rose, what are you doing?
I literally have thought that about Titanic before.
She guesses to heaven and kisses Jack.
Who she spend like 2 days with? Literally.
Yeah. What about her husband?
Yeah, her husband knew she had a years on marriage.
Yeah, three kids. 50 years. Yeah.
Beautiful children. Oh my God.
I have watched that like a million times too.
That's. So clever.
Yeah, even like the show. This Is Us Like spoiler.
Mandy, skip ahead of me. Yeah, skip ahead.
Mandy Moore's character. She dies at the like series
finale and she has two wonderful husbands throughout the series
and she seemingly is with the first one in the end, which of
course I understand. What do you mean by like in
heaven? Yeah, yeah, we'll pull.
The second. Husband.
The second husband. She just like passes him in the
train, which is like symbolic for the afterlife.
I mean, you can interpret it however you want.
They get a smile. That's it.
They have. I know it's it's sad because
it's like for him, like his heaven would be with.
Her. Oh my God.
But I guess I've also heard that like, everybody's heaven is like
what they would want it to be. But I would feel kind of weird
if, like, it's not even. I know, like it's my Are we not
all in the same heaven? Together, we're just all
dangerous. Oh my gosh.
So. We'll see.
We'll see, yeah. Or maybe we won't, but then it
won't matter. But I get into that.
Yeah, but. I'm also very afraid of death.
Me. Too said that the other day.
Me too. Yeah, we were actually on a
podcast. Not Quiet.
Just thinking. Supposed to come out August 1st,
right? Yes, August 1st.
Yeah, so by the time this episode airs, it will be
available. So you guys should check that
out. We talk about our experience
hosting another Bad at Twilight and now this podcast.
It's very nice conversation, but yeah, we talked about death a
little bit so. Yeah, yeah, I'm really afraid of
it. Me too.
But I guess when it comes to
love like, it's helpful to have a little bit of fear because
whenever you get like. In your head about stuff,
especially like taking chances and everything, it's helpful to
remember like you are gonna die. So that's true.
Don't really get caught up in the little things, 'cause at the
end of the day, it's like not gonna matter, you know?
That's so. Do you have an embarrassing
moment with someone? It doesn't matter.
You're gonna die. I know.
So not as nice. This sounds weird, but like if
you're like, upset with somebody.
That you care about to remind yourself that they're gonna.
Die. Exactly.
It's like, Oh my God, yeah. And then you feel terrible.
Yeah, like yelled at them or something.
Yeah, So in conclusion, it's nice that Kara and Ashley are
on. Good.
Terms. Exactly, exactly.
I mean that's all you can do. Like yeah, so I but that might
leave the door open like I think this was a really serious
relationship for the both of them seems.
Like it and? I think they really were in
love, and maybe it was just like a COVID breakup.
I know that's sad. That really tested a lot of
people. Yeah.
I mean, at the end of the day though, like, they had a lot of
space. Like, it's not like they were
living in like a teeny tiny apartment.
That's so true, they probably could have done like, whatever
they. Wanted.
Yeah. Like, I don't really necessarily
feel like. I think if their relationship
was more solid, they could have easily survived that.
Yeah, shows fractures that were already there.
That's a VCD, so. I learned a lot.
I'm glad. You know, I I I did wish that
there was like a little bit more scandal, but I'm happy there's
not. Yeah, I was thinking maybe
someday we could do an episode that has like 6 couples or
something. Yeah, like a quick where there's
like really no information about them, but we just want to.
Say something about. Them.
Yeah, Yeah, that'd be fun. Something to think about
somebody. Yeah, because there's some
people I have thought about, but it's like, oh, they're like,
it's really. Yeah, that'd be like a.
Ton of big enough couple or maybe they're both like be less
or less or something. It's like, oh, I don't think we
could do a whole episode about them, but I think.
Some of the more niche ones, honestly, like in the ones with
less information, are almost more fun because it's like a
challenge to uncover any little thing about them, yeah.
I also have to respect Kara and Ashley for never deleting
pictures of each other. Yeah, from their Instagrams.
I love that. My purpose is it made it super
easy to go back and keep a record.
Like there's a lot of couples I want to do that have deleted
stuff I do. Really respect that.
I yeah. I like young people.
Keep their. Pictures up?
Yeah. I mean, I can understand taking
it down. Yeah, at the same time, but.
I've done both. I think when you're a public
figure, like people already saw it, people have already saved
it. So you're taking it down like
it's not like erasing it. Yeah, I just love when people
keep all. I mean, sometimes you don't know
what people have deleted some things, but when they keep
everything like all their old pictures, it just feels so real
to me and shows that they're like.
It's so nonchalant. Like, yeah, I don't care if you
see my exactly 2009 pictures or whatever, you know, they're.
Not hiding anything. Yeah, I have taken even with
like pictures of friends. Like I've just taken them down
before if I'm not friends with them anymore.
So I understand. I kind of OK, this is weird.
Today I was, I don't know, I shouldn't have done this, but I
don't know why. I went on my Facebook and just
started looking through all my old pictures and it was actually
so cool. I mean, I guess you can just do
this with your own photo collection or like.
Even printed photos, like it doesn't need to be online.
But so cool to go through the time and like, just see how
things change and I don't know, yeah.
I know. I was actually paying a lot of
attention to fashion because I've been like, having a core
life crisis since, like things from when we're younger, like
back in. I know, yeah.
But you know what's so interesting to me I didn't
realize that? We still wore like the sorry
this is not any of these couples, but like we still wore
the Cami look like into 2011. Yeah, isn't that crazy?
I know. Actually, I believe it.
I. Always thought that was way
earlier like that it kind of stopped.
But literally even you stop pictures of you.
We were doing that in 20. 11 It was such a slow, I feel like
because it was such an integral part of like to our wardrobe,
like it was such a slow fade out, yeah. 2011, I feel like and
maybe it's the same for like deculator, maybe every decade,
the first couple years of different, but like it changed
so much because. That year, so transitional I saw
on. Facebook that I was wearing like
low rise skinny jeans but like sometimes they were still a
little flair but like low rise with the cami.
But later that year I was wearing like high waisted floral
shirt shorts like. No, no, it was just like.
In a T-shirt with no hammy like. It was really so transitional
that year. Yeah.
And that was a crazy year. Yeah.
That was when Kara De Levine became the IT girl.
The eyebrows. Yeah.
I did want to say like a follow up about, like, Kara De Levine
is like, she's definitely gone through a major.
Downfall. I think her public perception
like not that people like hate her, but she was so cool, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, and I feel like now that
people know she's like such a nepotism baby, like that makes
people not like her as much. And she's kind of going through,
like the Katy Perry thing, where like she's just perceived as
like annoying and like making weird faces and kind of like.
I don't know. Just a past like the best at the
Billboard Music Awards. She was there and like she kept
popping into like shots and pictures with like Doja Cat and
like the stallion and. She's making crazy faces.
Yeah, just making crazy faces and like, I think the like,
quirky, relatable girl act has gotten old for her and now
people just find her annoying. I kind.
Of hate that, though, it's anyone that.
I don't know. It's like being themselves too
much is then annoying. And like, maybe they are, but.
Yeah, what? Does annoying even mean?
I know, yeah. I think also people don't didn't
really like her Met gal look that said Peg.
The patriarchy. And it's like you're literally
like a part of the patriarchy. You're like.
Wait, how is she a part of? The Well, I guess like she's.
You know. Well, she's part of the like.
Elite, elite, Elite. So it's.
But I mean isn't it good that she has those opinions at the
same time, like isn't it good that she's like?
I know it's tough. Yeah, because I mean, at the
same time, it's like, yeah, she's a nepotism baby, but like,
what is she gonna do? I was.
Gonna say that couple minutes ago, yeah.
Just sit around and like, do nothing.
Sorry guys, there's an emergency.
It's New York. This emergency, yes.
Yeah, I mean, it is kind of frustrating, but at the same
time, what is she supposed to do?
Not that I, like, feel that bad for her.
I'm not gonna, like, cry about it.
But like, what is she supposed to do?
Yeah, but the fact that she was born rich, I don't know.
Yeah. Yeah, because, I mean, it's kind
of good that she still works. I do think too a lot of really.
Wealthy, rich people, Not all, but like sometimes I think they
do donate to things and. Yeah.
You know, give back, but people don't really know.
Yeah, exactly. Not publicize that much.
Yeah. I don't know.
Oh, yeah. She, I should have mentioned on
Ru Paul's podcast, she did talk about like all these
organizations that she, like, works with and that she, like,
really loves to be like a humanitarian and did a lot for
like. Women in countries like, where
they didn't have, like, sanitary products, yeah, So she like,
really does give back. I do think she's a good person.
At the end of the day, she's. Trying her best.
Yeah, I guess. That's Kara and Ashley.
That's a VCD, Ashley. And Kara, thank you guys so much
for listening. Thank you if you enjoyed this
episode. You could give us a review,
that'd be really nice. Could you please?
Yeah. Apparently reviews help with the
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It's like, and granted, we're recording this before an episode
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us. We know who you were.
Yeah. That's good.
We don't. If you guys have any information
about who that was, let us know. We can find out.
Yeah, do you want to tease what our next?
Episode will be Yeah, I guess so.
So. It's my turn.
Yeah, without naming names. I don't name names, yeah.
Last time you didn't, right? Yeah.
This is a very famous couple, I would say from the late 1960s.
Into the 80s and interesting. Should I say anything else?
That's all you need to say, unless you want to reveal more.
I feel like. How would you give us one of
your of the three words that you would use to describe this
couple? I would say intense.
Yeah, I'm excited. It's an intense.
Relationship next week. OK, All right.
It's hard. It's always hard to sign.
Off. I know.
Thanks. We love you.
So grateful to everybody.
We still need to come up with our sign off phrase.
Maybe comment like suggest ones if you have an idea.
We love, love and we love. You stay significant.
Yeah, stay. I can say significant is hard to
spell sometimes. Yeah, stay significant.
Yeah. You're significant to.
Us. Yeah, Yeah.
Such a good thing to say. We're still working it out.
Yeah, OK. OK.
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